Trump Panders to 1,000 So-Called Evangelical Leaders: ‘I’m on Your Side. I’m a Tremendous Believer!’

Trump EV-compressedNEW YORK — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump pandered to and hooked evangelicals on Tuesday as he met with nearly 1,000 spiritual leaders in New York, asserting that he is a “tremendous believer” that is “on your side.”

“I’m so on your side,” he declared to those gathered at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square. “I’m a tremendous believer, and we’re gonna straighten it out.”

“Christianity: I owe so much to it in so many ways. Through life, through having incredible children, through so many other things,” Trump stated. “But I also owe it for, frankly, standing here because the evangelical vote was mostly gotten by me.”

He then asserted that he won most of the votes throughout the Bible Belt.

“If you remember, it went to South Carolina, and I was going to be beat—very heavy evangelical state—and I was going to be beaten by (Ted) Cruz or somebody because he had a very strong evangelical vote, and I ended up getting massive majorities on the evangelical vote,” Trump declared. “And everybody said, ‘What’s going on? How did Trump do that?’ And then I won elsewhere, and, you know, I won the whole South.”

From speaking on religious freedom to contending why his presidency should be preferred over a Clinton presidency, Trump continued to woo the crowd, which often gave him applause for his words.

“The next president is going to be very vital … in freeing up your religion, freeing up your thoughts,” he stated. “You really don’t have religious freedom.”

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Trump also stated that while Hillary Clinton has “been in public eye for years and years … there’s nothing out there” in regard to her faith.

“It’s going to be an extension of Obama, but it’s going to be worse because with Obama you had your guard up; with Hillary you don’t,” he asserted.

Trump told those gathered that while all leaders should be lifted up in prayer, Christians should pray most of all that the nation will vote for him over Clinton.

“I agree with that, pray for everyone. But what you really have to do is you have to pray to get everybody out to vote for one specific person,” he asserted. “And we can’t be again politically correct and say we pray for all of our leaders because all of your leaders are selling Christianity down the tubes—selling evangelicals down the tubes.”

The event had reportedly been organized by Bill Dallas of the group United With Purpose, and grew from an initial estimate of 100 evangelicals to nearly 1,000. Trump was introduced by former rival Mike Huckabee and was praised by Liberty University president Jerry Falwell, as well as former contender Ben Carson.

The three played a part in swaying others to believe that Trump is a Christian, even if not born again, said Bishop E.W. Jackson of Virginia’s Exodus Faith Ministries and STAND.

“I’ve had my doubts, and I probably still do, but hearing these men who I really respect testify to the fact that they believe that Donald Trump really is a Christian, but maybe just not of the same kind you and I are” was influential, Jackson told the Religion News Service.

Others in attendance included Jim Garlow of Skyline Church in California, Tony Perkins of the Washington-based Family Research Council, Ralph Reed of the Georgia-based Faith and Freedom Coalition, Southern Baptist Convention President Ronnie Floyd, who also serves as pastor of Cross Church in Arkansas, Colorado psychologist and radio host James Dobson, and Gary Bauer of the Virginia-based group American Values.

Trump also formed an evangelical advisory board on Tuesday, which includes Texas prosperity preacher Kenneth Copeland, David Jeremiah of Shadow Mountain Community Church in California, Paula White of New Destiny Christian Center in Florida, Jentezen Franklin of Free Chapel in Georgia, James Robison of the Texas-based LIFE Outreach International and Tim Clinton of the Virginia-based American Association of Christian Counselors.

Endorsement was not a condition for serving on the board.

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  • TheBottomline4This

    Wonder who those who are the “leaders” that attended. The only reason I say “leaders” is because I don’t have a leader other than the Lord.

  • The Skeptical Chymist

    These charlatans are being suckered by an even bigger charlatan.

    • Amos Moses

      Man i hate to say this ……………. but yeah …………..

      • The Skeptical Chymist

        Nice to agree with you about something, Amos!

        • Crusader777

          And you guys are voting for Clinton? Who is the biggest sucker of them all?

          • The Skeptical Chymist

            I’m sure Amos will not vote for Clinton, but I certainly will. She’s far from perfect, but she’s the best thing available this cycle.

  • Peter Leh

    so called? Jeffress and Falwell are “so called”?

    • Amos Moses

      Really more neo-evangelicals ………………………. verging on neo-pagans ……..

      • Peter Leh

        for Jeffress to be on your “naught list” say something for sure, Amos

        • Amos Moses

          Robert Jeffress, pastor of the 11,000-member First Baptist Church of Dallas, is one evangelical who includes the pope among people he considers to be brothers in Christ. In a video interview, Jeffress said this about Pope Benedict:
          [quote] [T]he Pope is a wonderful, dedicated Christian man, and we celebrate the ministry he’s had and wish him the very best. And we pray for our Catholic friends, as they go through the process of choosing a new leader, that they’ll find a similar man of great faith. [end quote]

          What’s the common denominator among the folks we’ve talked about: Steve Childers, Francis Chan, Tim Keller, Rick Warren, Beth Moore, Robert Jeffress, David Barton, James Robison, Jerry Falwell, Jr.? They’re not Roman Catholics. They’re not Hindus. They’re not Buddhists or New Agers. No, they would call themselves evangelicals. Yet I believe they have all been involved to some degree—whether they know it or not or intend to or not—in helping transform the Church into a false church.

          Pastor Robert Jeffress Calls Pope Francis a Christ Follower and Humble Man
          Robert Jeffress Calls Pope Benedict A Wonderful Christian Man
          Exposing the Ecumenicalism of Robert Jeffress & His Praise of Two Popes as Christians

          • Peter Leh

            there are a lot of chrisitans who do not agree with you.

            your church must be happy that you are on the wall. 🙂

  • sammy13

    I see below the comments from the holier than thou self righteous crowd. Must be nice to have a special insight into the hearts of those you folks are disparaging.

    • Amos Moses

      Discernment is not knowing right from wrong. It is knowing right from ALMOST right ……….

      Charles Spurgeon

    • Coach

      “The heart is deceitful above all things,
      And desperately wicked;
      Who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

      • Crusader777

        Great scripture describing HRC, she is the epiphany of evil.

        • Coach

          That scripture is more general than specific, it represents Mr. Trump just as much as it represents Mrs. Clinton and everyone else not born again.

    • Josey

      we make judgements every day what we believe or think and it’s not self righteous to make a judgement based on the word of God, Jesus clearly shows one how to be born again in the book of John, Trump isn’t professing he is a born again believer, he’s claiming to be a Christian because of works he has done, because of votes he is getting and because he’s got those who call themselves preachers telling him he is a christian when there is no faith in Christ. I am sorry you feel that those who have had a heart transplant are being self righteous for anyone born again and trusting in Christ never take such things lightly.

      • Amos Moses

        Good points …………

      • Bren-in-faith

        Not everyone has been Dicipled well into the Word of
        Father God. This shows in Mr. Trumps expression of
        his belief. I remember being green as grass with the
        knowledge of the Bible when I first came to accept
        Yeshua/Jesus into my life. Love covers a multitude of

  • Charles

    Trump also formed an evangelical advisory board on Tuesday, which includes Texas prosperity preacher Kenneth Copeland… Kenneth “I am God” Copeland… Heck they have the serial adulterer Paula White in there to! Nuff said…. Should show you trump has NO idea what a Christian really is. Trump isn’t a Christian..

    • Crusader777

      You know them by their fruit. Look at his family and his employees they all love him and even his x-wives still love and respect him. That says a lot about character.

      • Charles

        Look.. For starters, if you have multiple x-wives, you have a serious problem already with “Fruits”.. He’s admitted to never asking for repentance.. Sorry, but that’s a requirement in God’s world.. Trump is full of pride.. That’s not a sign of a developing Christan.. You know “Fruits” which doesn’t mean money by the way that’s dough.. The World will love it’s own..

        • Crusader777

          Look at Hillary’s fruit. Decades of scandals and felonies while she and Bill enriched themselves at the taxpayers expense. Donald’s x-wives all speak very highly of him and say he would make an excellent POTUS.

          Trump is a true patriot and has put his fortune, family and very life in danger to try and fix the tremendous mess our corrupt and evil politicians have created.

          Trump has bought off every level of politician and he knows all of their tricks and this terrifies them. He is well thought of by his employees many of whom are Black, Hispanic, Asian and women. The left is having a terrible time digging up dirt on Trump as he is basically a good man.

          His fruits are his amazing children who have done well in the business world and are well thought of by everyone who knows them.

          I am a very loyal and devout follower of Jesus Christ and have a x-wife and I would not want her to be on live television with a microphone asking if she thought I would make a good POTUS. My children are all excellent and well thought of and have been in my care always.

          Hillary has left a trail of corruption and blood behind her that no other politician that has ever run for POTUS can match. She belongs in prison or up against a wall with a firing squad for her treason.

          Yes, please tell me Mr. Self Righteous Christian just why you will chose Hillary (a known lesbian) over Donald J Trump.

          • Charles

            Look I’m not being self righteous.. You want two or three witnesses here to testify to the guys fruits?! There are some Christians on this site alone who most definitely agree he isn’t a Christian. You asked for fruits and I gave them to you.. Being Super Dad is wonderful.. Not repenting to the Lord doesn’t wash. You have to humble yourself to the Lord.. He has not.. As far as Killary goes, and her girlfriend Bill for that matter, they both should have been in jail many years ago.. But use your head! Don’t you think that if the system WASN’T fixed she would have been in jail a long time ago? Give me a break. They own them all.. They work both sides.. Have for a very long time. By the way.. I’m not voting for either.

          • Crusader777

            A vote unused is a vote for Hillary.
            Trump is a patriot at the very least, God uses all kinds of people and they do not have to be saints. Read your Bible and you will see many times he uses Kings like Cyrus to fulfill His will.
            Trump has a wonderful life with billions and a beautiful wife and family. Living in luxury that is beyond the average Joe to even imagine.
            Now he is spending millions of his own money. Traveling across the nation being separated from his gorgeous wife and young son. Exposing himself to the most hateful and vile vitriol the left can come up with. Already at least two assassination attempts and putting his entire family at risk.
            You have to ask why? 1) He is telling the truth and sincerely wants to help restore our sovereignty and return the government to the people by destroying the existing political machines (Repub and Dems) both are corrupt beyond belief. 2) He is totally lost his damn mind

            We all worship God differently and Trump wants to help Christians and stop the Muslim invasion. So who are you to judge his relationship with God? I am sure He will draw much closed to God as he takes his place as POTUS and wades into the HUUUUGE mess BHO, HRC and GWB have created. The entire world is in turmoil and America has its head in the sand without a competent leader. I want to encourage everyone to stop and really think as we have as many as 5 Supreme court justices that will be appointed over the next 8 years. Do you really want crooked, abortion loving, murdering, lying, crooked Hillary making those choices?

          • Charles

            “A vote unused is a vote for Hillary”.

            During the general election, Americans head to the polls to cast their vote for President. But the tally of those votes—the popular vote—does not determine the winner. Instead, Presidential elections use the Electoral College. To win the election, a candidate must receive a majority of electoral votes. In the event no candidate receives the majority, the House of Representatives chooses the President and the Senate chooses the Vice President.

            So technically, it’s not a REAL vote for anyone…

            “Trump has a wonderful life with billions and a beautiful wife and family. Living in luxury that is beyond the average Joe to even imagine.”.

            I don’t know about his wife.. I don’t know if she beautiful or not.. I don’t care what she looks like. Maybe she’s a good woman.. I don’t know. BUT loving your family is a big deal to me, I’m glad He/They do if that’s the case. As far as the money is concerned.. More brilliant wisdom from the Lord.

            Mar 10:17-25 KJV
            (17) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
            (18) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
            (19) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
            (20) And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
            (21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
            (22) And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
            (23) And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
            (24) And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
            (25) It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

            So I’m not sure he has that going for him.. But I do believe some would give their lives for Jesus Christ over their “Great” possessions.

            Clearly Soros’, and his rich Libtard friends have their millions going into busing in the Anti-Trumpers trying to “Defame” him. You DO know that he (Trump) was once a supporter of the Clinton’s right? How much he was playing them or vice/versa? Don’t know.

            Now there are two ways to look at this.. The assassination attempts could very well be a show.. Do you really think if they could get to the Kennedy’s they couldn’t get to Trump with the technology we have now? Could also be he wasn’t part of the “Plans”, and they don’t want him in.. Trumps pretty bold guy, so it wouldn’t surprise me if did try to “Buck” they system so to speak and try to run things his way. But I don’t think so..

            “We all worship God differently”..

            This sounds Ecumenical to me.. We Worship the Lord individually, not differently.. God isn’t confused.. We are.

            I didn’t vote for Bush 1 or 2, or the Obaminations of (Act 1 or 2). So.. The world will get along fine without my symbolic vote. Yes, they’ve created a mess, all of them.. It’s on purpose.. The Supreme Court at my temple is Jesus Christ.. Man’s “Supreme” court is a joke (Over compensated Judges/Lawyers).

            “Do you really want crooked, abortion loving, murdering, lying, crooked Hillary making those choices?”.

            Is that joke? Of course I don’t want that evil witch do get in.. But AGAIN, don’t you think that if the system wasn’t rigged she would have already been in jail YEARS ago behind the Clinton body count and numerous other crimes. Not to mention probably a third or so (Maybe more?) of lifers in Congress are bought off. Do I believe Trump believes to some degree in his country? Actually, I think he does.. I also think he wants America’s economy to be turn around being an entrepreneur (Wouldn’t that be welcomed change?!). Getting our Debt down would be a start.. But we owe so much, we own no Gold.. Interest on the Trillions has gone astronomical. There is no WAY we are paying that money back. Bringing it down would be a start though. We aren’t holding many cards here in the States on that front.

            “Trump wants to help Christians and stop the Muslim invasion.”..

            Well, he says he does. First thing he could do is allow our persecuted brothers, and sisters in Christ over here from persecuted Muslim countries. That would be a great start. But politicians say many things they have no intention on following up on, or even addressing. If Killary ends up as President and not in Federal Prison, it will just confirm what I believe already that the system is rigged. We all know who Clinton is.. Remains to be seen if Trump is any different from the rest.

          • Crusader777

            The “Eye of the Needle” is the sheep gate in Jerusalem and for a camel to go through he would have to bow down. A Jewish way of saying you must repent to get into heaven. Most of the matriarchs in the Bible were fabulously rich like Abraham, David, Solomon, Boaz, Issac, Joseph and many more.

            Jesus said in 3 John 2:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

            The LOVE of money or GREED is the root of all evil not money or wealthy people. It takes money to preach the gospel around the world and many wealthy people have made that possible in the past.

            2 Corinthians 8 expresses our duties beautifully and we should be praying for Donald Trump as he uses his fortune to help our nation and Christian’s worldwide. Donald is expressing being a true Christian by giving back to our nation.

            The Collection for the Lord’s People

            1And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches.
            2In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity.
            3For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own,
            4they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord’s people.
            5And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.
            6So we urged Titus, just as he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completion this act of grace on your part.
            7But since you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in
            complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in you a
            —see that you also excel in this grace of giving.

            8I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others.
            9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

            10And here is my judgment about what is best for you in this matter. Last
            year you were the first not only to give but also to have the desire to
            do so.
            11Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means.
            12For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what one does not have.

            13Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.
            14At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in
            turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality,
            15as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”

          • Charles

            Now you sound Prosperity Gospel.. Are you going to sit here and say Kenneth Copeland is a Christian? That’s not a good footing to be on. I know the verse about Money thanks.. Which is why I said some WOULD give it all up for Christ.. Doesn’t mean Trump would.. He supports Homosexuality.. God doesn’t. I’m going to figure that you know God’s stance on this.. Then theres an issue with Pride with Trump.. It’s one the six very things God hates. Trumps Pastor was Norman Vincent Peale.. A heretic. So I don’t put much into him talking about Christianity.

          • Crusader777

            I am so glad to see you are judge and jury on who qualifies as a Christian, much like the Sadducee and Pharisees of Jesus time.

            They called our Lord Jesus a drunkard and falsely accused Him of many things. Guess old Kenneth, Donald and the others are in pretty good company.

          • Charles

            Not judge or jury of anything.. I read the Bible, if the people whom “Preach” from the Bible don’t teach what’s IN the Bible. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what they are. Please don’t compare the heretic Kenneth “I AM” Copeland, or Trump to my savior.. It’s insulting.

          • Crusader777

            New post on Now The End Begins
            SAVED! Dr. James Dobson Says That Donald Trump Has Accepted Jesus Christ
            by Geoffrey Grider

            Dr. James Dobson says Donald Trump has recently accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, and that Christians should be praying for him.

            “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Romans 10:9 (KJV)

            EDITOR’S NOTE:
            With all the dozens of evangelicals that have surrounded Donald Trump over the past year as he has pursued the presidency, it turns out that one of those pastors opened up a Bible and invited Donald Trump to accept Jesus Christ and get saved, and that Trump did just that. Dr. James Dobson says this actually happened and that he personally knows the man who led Trump to Christ. Wow. In a year of big stories with incredible twists and turns, this if true is the biggest one yet. Until we hear differently we will take Dr. Dobson at his word and rejoice in a lost sinner getting saved from the fires of Hell. Amen.

          • Yes Kenneth Copeland, a known Billionaire is in pretty good company,with,Satan and his Fallen Angels known as Demons when the time,comes for them to be thrown into Hell and the Lake of Fire. Copeland is Satan’s favorite prosperity Gospel Pastor., and has made it a mission his mission to make an mockery out of the Gospel of Christ.Makes an mockery,out of the Cross.. _insists Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross,dragged his body to Hell when the Bible never teaches any of this..Copeland goes out of his way to teach MAN can become GOD, and,GOD is the biggest failure in the Universe…

            Kenneth Copeland – God is the greatest failure in the universe.

            I was shocked when I found out who is the biggest failure in the Bible actually is…. The Biggest one is God.. I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed (Satan), the first man He ever created: the first woman He ever created: the whole earth and the Fullness therein: a third of the Angels at least- That’s a big loss man..Now the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure. And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one”.(Praise-a-Thon program on TBN [April 1988] )

          • Apologize to GOD and ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness! and to have,Mercy on your soul for defending Kenneth Copeland! Satan’s favorite prosperity Gospel Preacher. WHO!!! Has made it his mission,to hurt and damage the GOSPEL of Christ, and lead peoples to the Lake,OF FIRE!. Copeland is responsible for many of the WORD IN FAITH! movement, unbibical teachings. He distorts, biblical concepts,of faith. He claims GOD is the BIGGEST FAILURE! In the Universe, and reduces God to the image of Man, while elevating man to the status of GOD…. He goes out of his way to CLAIM Adam was God manifested,in the flesh, and that He Jesus look and sounded exactly alike. That We,as Humans can Become GOD Ourselves!!!

            JESUS NEVER TAUGHT! We as Humans can become GOD! There is One GOD HE IS Jehovah!!. He is everlasting to everlasting without beginning to without end. Mankind cannot become GOD, because we,were created in his image and nothing can become greater then it’s creator! You still want to DEFEND Satan’s Minister?

            Gloria and Kenneth Copeland, believes they as Humans can control THE WEATHER! Jesus and his 12 twelve apostles never taught any of this while spreading the good news about the Gospel of Christ. Copeland_insists Satan_ conquered_ and took his Spirit to HADES!,where,He Jesus( Once in Hades) ALLOWS Himself to come,under Satan’s CONTROL!!. Every Demon in Hades came down on Him,to annihilate him. They tortured Him in Hades for three days

          • Crusader777

            Your vitriol is very unbecoming of a Christian and to it’s credit the
            Word of Faith movement is responsible for leading millions of people to
            salvation. Some people have faith to move mountains others don’t.

            I have personally seen hundreds of tremendous and totally unexplained miracles in my life that can only be answered prayers. When you pray with faith, hope and love according to God’s Word, He is ALWAYS faithful to answer.

            The Way, the Truth, and the Life John Chapter 14:
            …11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe because of the works themselves. 12Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.…

            Greeting to Gaius from the Elder 3 John Chapter 1:
            1The elder, To the beloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth: 2Beloved, I pray that in every way you may prosper and enjoy good health, as your soul also prospers. 3For I was overjoyed when the brothers came and testified about your devotion to the truth, in which you continue to walk.…

            Paul’s Prayer for the Ephesians Chapter 3:
            …19and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do infinitely more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, 21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.…

            Matthew Chapter 17:
            The Boy with a Demon
            …19Afterward the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?” 20“Because you have so little faith. He answered. “For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” …

          • STOP IT! Stop defending Kenneth Copeland Satan’s favorite minster and a known Satanic Demon inside the Church. A Man who teaches GOD is the BIGGEST failure in the Bible. and Jesus is no longer the ONLY begotten Son of God and that MANKIND is GOD., A Man who Mocks GOD and Jesus Christ and the Power of the Cross. Copeland, teaches ”MANKIND is Half-GOD and Half-Satan.. What you say have no meaning to me, as you support Copeland damaging the Gospel of Christ…You support Copeland for attacking the WORD of God.

            How did Jesus then on the Cross say” My God” Because God was not his Father any more. He took upon Himself the nature of Satan,. And I’m telling you Jesus is in the middle of that Pit.(Kenneth Copeland,Believer’s,Voice of Victory( television program) TBN, April 21,1991)

            “The biggest failure in the Bible…is God.”

            (Kenneth Copeland, Praise-a-Thon, TBN, 1988.)
            “Adam was God manifested in the flesh.”

            (Kenneth Copeland(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
            “God made Adam the God of the earth.”

            (Kenneth Copeland (Following the Faith of Abraham; Tape #01-3001)

            Jesus took on the nature of Satan when He was on the cross.”

            (Kenneth Copeland What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)

            (Classic Redemption, p.13)


            Jesus death on the cross was not enough to save us.”

            What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)

            (Believer’s Voice of Victory, September 1991)

            (Doctrinal Statement dated March 12, 1979)


            Matthew 10:33 English Standard Version (ESV) Jesus made his Words,very clear.. Apologize to GOD, ask him for your forgiveness it’s never too late, but your defending a known Demon inside the church,who’s mission is to lead peoples away from Jesus Christ

            but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

            Matthew 7:15- “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

            1 John 4:1- Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

          • Crusader777

            Bunny, my heart goes out to you as I can see you are very sincere in your beliefs. You are going back decades and taking things out of context to disparage Kenneth Copeland.
            Millions of people around the world have been brought to the saving grace of Jesus Christ through KCM and their many ministries. I would encourage you to see that no ministry in the entire world is perfect and they all have man made doctrines that Satan uses very effectively to eliminate the true Power of the Holy Spirit from being unleashed by the Church as a whole.

            Regardless of the differences of opinions and doctrines the Church must arise and come together to defeat Satan in these last days.

            Remember Jesus is a Jewish Rabbi and the way He worshiped His Father is very far from the way we participate in modern “church services”.

            I am sure we are all in for a lot of surprises when he takes the Throne in Jerusalem as “King of the Jews” and ruler of this world.
            Jesus is not politically correct and I assure he is not guided by the doctrines laid out by any denomination.

            The entire Church will be grafted in and become “Messianic Jews” and our worship will be restored to the original form practiced by the disciples and the early Church before the “Holy Roman Empire” destroyed the true identity of our faith and is truly the one who incorporated demonic practices into our worship. History documents well that when this happened miracles for the most part left the Church as the Holy Spirit would not reside with Pagan rituals and practices. Yes, Sunday worship has never seen the power and presence of God like Saturday Sabbath with Peter, Paul and the boys. We have all been deceived about much and we should all pray for one another and extend God’s grace and love to our brothers and sisters in Christ as we all are doing the best we can and have every one fallen short in some measure.

            Luke 6:41-45
            41“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 42“Or
            how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck
            that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in
            your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and
            then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your
            brother’s eye. 43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. 45“The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.

            Matthew 7:4-5
            Do Not Judge
            …4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye? 5You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

          • Kenneth Copeland,Does not save as he preaches a false Gospel doctrine,there are two different Gospels a Christ Centered Biblical Gospel that Jesus and his apostles taught. Romans 1:16 Says” the Gospel of Power of God unto Salvation”, so it matters that you believe in the correct Jesus( the correct Gospel!) then there’s the man centered false Gospel, that rejects the power of the cross, rejects,what Jesus did for our sins, and rejects Jesus as God’s Son. That is what Copeland teaches he is an Messenger of Satan, and speaks on the Doctrine of Demons. He is the LEAD of the Word in Faith movement,that Led peoples away from Jesus Christ, the WOF is the,fastest false religion and has hurt the Gospel of Christ. The reason the church is in a mess in America is because of Copeland,he has,been on a mission for 30 years to lead peoples away from God,make an mockery of the church..

            Any gospel that tells you that you must work for salvation is a false gospel.

            Any gospel that does not include what Jesus has done for you is a false gospel.

            1 John 4:1

            Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
            Romans 16:18

            For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.


            The apostle Paul explained when writing to the first century Christians in Galatia. He said, ” I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the Grace of Christ, and are turning to a different Gospel- which is no Gospel at all. Evidently some peoples are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the Gospel of Christ. But even if we or an Angel from Heaven should preach a Gospel other than the one we preached to you,let him be,eternally condemned” Galatians 1-6-9

          • Crusader777

            You have obviously not watched or been a part of KCM or you would know that your facts are so far from the truth it is laughable. People like you are why the Church remains divided and the full power of a United Church of all denominations remains a distant dream. Satan is good at making us Pharisee’s ans Sadducee’s that cut each other to pieces. Blind to our own short comings and ready to decimate our brothers in Christ over doctrinal differences.

            Lets not take scripture out of context
            1 John 4
            On Denying the Incarnation;
            1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see
            whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
            2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that
            acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
            3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

            4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
            5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
            6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

            God’s Love and Ours;
            7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
            8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
            9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
            10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
            11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
            12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
            13This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
            14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
            15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God.
            16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
            17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
            18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
            19We love because he first loved us.
            20Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.
            21And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

          • John 7:24 says to not judge according to appearance,but to judge RIGHTEOUS judgements.You make judgements about what you put in your body. We all need to discern – judge- who is full of it and who is telling the truth, when it comes to claims of truth and Christianity.How?By their fruits…It is Gods word which exhorts us to judge,not as hypocrites, not according to our own judgements, but righteously,according to his word.Thats the key difference between true just judgement and hypocritical unrighteous judgement -Gods word.The Bible which says that he that is spiritual judgeth all things. Comparing spiritual with spiritual with your Bible.1 Corinthians 6 makes it clear that it is a shameful Christian that cannot judge righteously. If you are born again and have the Holy Spirit who works through not around Gods word you should be able to discern and judge righteously according to the Bible..

            The apostle Paul explained when writing to the first century Christians in Galatia. He said,”I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel – which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned.”Galatians 1:6-9

            Any teaching that is at odds with the gospel of Christ which was preached after Christ’s resurrection and ascension to heaven, will cause confusion and a turning away from God. If anybody denies Jesus Christ, his sacrifice on the cross for our sins, his deity or humanity he does not come from God.Copeland is greatly responsible for the encroachment of modern heresy into the Church of the past thirty years beginning in the “Charismatic Movement” of the 1970s.The Church began to drift from the teaching of sound doctrine into the obsession for miracles and dynamic “praise and worship”.

            As the movement grew, so also the spread of extra- biblical” revelation”. New Revelation was not always contrary to scripture, but simply NOT FOUND in scripture, thereby causing it to be difficult to rebut. As the WOF movement spread, and began to drift in different directions , so also more erroneous doctrine in the past 20 years, the trend, has leaped forward to downright HERESY, even to the point of Denying that the Blood of Christ alone” is sufficient to save they have created for themselves and those who follow them, a hodge podge mixture of truth and serious heresy. especially into Africa where there is a willing audience due to the common practice of Witchcraft in the African Church. It’s an easy transition from Witchcraft into heretical Christianity—

            Copeland’s preach a False gospel and doctrines of demons. They teach that Jesus’ death on the cross and His shed blood did not atone for sin, but instead they teach that Jesus took on the nature of Satan on the cross and that’s why the Father turned his back on him, and when he died he descended into Hell, then at the end of his punishment in hell he finally completed his work,then he was “born again” and came back to life… this is a blasphemous false gospel and blatant heresy which the scripture clearly does not teach, nor was it ever taught –

          • I am a very loyal and devout follower of Jesus Christ? NOPE! TRY AGAIN!!!A devout follower of Jesus would NEVER support and defend Satan’s favorite minister a known DEMON who seeks to destroy the Church. Copeland,who CLAIMS Jesus death on the CROSS was not enough to save our sins! CLAMS GOD made Adam the God of this,Earth”.Adam, look, act, and sounded exactly alike Jesus.

            Go watch VIDEOS on Youtube called Satan’s Top 10 favourite Kenneth Copeland moments and SEE The way he acts in Church and what he teaches he makes a MOCKERY Of GOD and Jesus Christ,.

            Go watch Video on Youtube called- WATCH DEMONS WORK – LIVE IN CHURCH!…. Since I can’t post these videos on this site.

            SHAME ON YOU! For even defending this DEMON! Copeland, DOESN’T CARE!!! He compromises the WORD OF GOD! He is an EVIL DEMON leading peoples to the LAKE OF FIRE!

          • Ruel

            Wait a minute he has been a Christian for just over a year. Running the country is taking up some of his time. I listened to so poor preachers before I got my feet under me. He is growing.

          • Charles

            And he continues to hang with apostate “Christians”… Nothing has changed

          • Charles

            I know exactly who they both are thanks.

        • Crusader777

          Jesus told the woman at the well who had 5 x-husbands to go and sin no more. Sounds to me like x’s are not a problem with JC. She started a great revival as she was forgiven for her sins. When much is forgiven much love is given back in return.
          The rich young ruler had followed the commandments all his life and Jesus did not dispute this and yet he turned away from Christ. Looks like Donald is trying to do what is right in the golden years of his life before He meets JC face to face. My vote is for DJT with great enthusiasm and joy as he supports Christians and supports Americans everywhere by putting them first.

          • Charles

            Incorrect.. X’s are an issue.. There are only 3 justified reasons for being divorced according to the Bible.. Infidelity, abandonment of an unbeliever, and death. Now, certainly it may not be Donald’s fault on 1 or more of these I don’t know.. But, it’s a problem. As far as your vote? Good for you.. But don’t be shocked if Killary wins just because the system is rigged.

        • Ruel

          Roman 13:1 mic drop…………..

          • Charles

            Which means what exactly?

      • Ruel

        Roman 13:1 mic drop………..

  • Crusader777

    The Demoncrats have sided with death of the most innocent of all our unborn. They have formally removed God from their party platform. A true Christian could never vote for a completely evil Jezebel like Hillary who is under multiple investigations for felonies and treason by Democrats!

    Donald J Trump is God’s gift to us for one last chance to turn back to him as a nation and for Christians to take a stand against evil. Hillary is the most corrupt candidate ever in the history of the American Republic to run for office and the choice is clear. Donald J Trump for President in 2016.

    • Amos Moses

      i do not claim to know who or what this man is………… but satan appears as a angel of light …….. and considering the times we are in ………. not sure i can endorse Trump on any level …… i agree about HRC and any supposed Demon-crat ……….. but i have a real reluctance toward DJT ………………. we just went through this very set of circumstances and proclamations about Cruz and evangelicals saying he was “annointed” ……. i did not buy it then ….. and i am not buying it now ……………..

      • Crusader777

        We only have 2 choices Donald or Hillary. I chose Donald as Hillary is Jezebel in the flesh.

        • Amos Moses

          i choose number 3 ………….. believe and trust in Christ and Him only ……… and let the chips fall where they may …………….. but your choice is your choice ……… not denying that ……..

          • Charles


  • Josey

    “I’ve had my doubts, and I probably still do, but hearing these men who I really respect testify to the fact that they believe that Donald Trump really is a Christian, but maybe just not of the same kind you and I are” was influential, Jackson told the Religion News Service.

    There is only one way to be a Christian, Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3:1-8 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

    Good works or works at all doesn’t make Christian, having said that, I’d rather vote for one who is for religious freedom and is for the 1st and 2nd amendment than one who isn’t. Trump and not just Trump but all ppl should trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and not look to ppl to tell him he is a Christian or not, there will be many on that day saying, “didn’t I do this or that in your Name?” But they will be told, depart from me I never knew you. Just saying you are a Christian doesn’t make you one. You know if you are a born again believer, no one can tell you different and no one can tell you aren’t if you are because the Holy Spirit will bear witness with your spirit that you are. These evangelist are not doing right by encouraging Trump to believe a lie which will lead him to hell and those evangelists will be held accountable for not telling him how one is born again. Trump needs a heart transplant that only God through Christ Jesus can give, not useless and vain words but we have three choices, not vote, vote for the lesser of two evils or vote for the worst one of all, Clinton.

  • Crusader777

    SAVED! Dr. James Dobson Says That Donald Trump Has Accepted Jesus Christ
    by Geoffrey Grider

    Dr.James Dobson says Donald Trump has recently accepted Jesus Christ as
    his Lord and Savior, and that Christians should be praying for him.

    “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
    in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
    saved.” Romans 10:9 (KJV)

    With all the dozens of evangelicals that have surrounded Donald Trump
    over the past year as he has pursued the presidency, it turns out that
    one of those pastors opened up a Bible and invited Donald Trump to
    accept Jesus Christ and get saved, and that Trump did just that. Dr.
    James Dobson says this actually happened and that he personally knows
    the man who led Trump to Christ. Wow. In a year of big stories with
    incredible twists and turns, this if true is the biggest one yet. Until
    we hear differently we will take Dr. Dobson at his word and rejoice in a
    lost sinner getting saved from the fires of Hell. Amen.

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    Your word Trump “panders” shows how bias and non-objective is your story.

  • Eyes Open

    So when Trump talks religion it’s “pandering” but you’re just fine with the whole rest of the GOP crowd slobbering over Evangelicals for the past forty years? Your bias is showing.

  • When the term “so-called” is applied to Evangelical leaders, does this mean they were Evangelical leaders before they endorsed Trump, or were they ever “leaders?” Is there now a political litmus test for Evangelical legitimacy? If so, who besides this web site determines it?