1,000 ‘Faith Leaders’ Endorse Blasphemous ‘Shack’ Film Based on Universalist Novel Depicting God as Woman

A website dedicated to marketing the controversial film “The Shack” states that 1,000 “faith leaders” have given their endorsement of the movie—a film that is based on William P. Young’s bestselling novel of the same name, which some say contains universalistic doctrine and teaches that God is all love and no holiness, wrath or justice.



The resource site for “The Shack” provides both written and recorded endorsements from many well-known entities, including leaders and representatives of The Salvation Army, Young Life, Family Christian Stores, The Christian Post, K-LOVE, CBN and TBN, to celebrities such as Michael W. Smith, Joel Houston of Hillsong United, Gospel artist Tasha Cobbs and Chip and Joanna Gaines of HGTV’s “Fixer Upper” show.

Numerous pastors and church leaders have lent their endorsement as well, including Kent Munsey of Hillsong Chicago, Samuel Rodriguez of New Season Church in Sacramento, California and leader of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, Kenneth Ulmer of Faithful Central Bible Church in Los Angeles, and Steve Munsey of Family Christian Center in Munster, Indiana.

“I would encourage all pastors to make sure that their congregation is able to see this movie,” said Charles Blake, the current presiding bishop of the Church of God in Christ (COGIC).

“Honestly, I was apprehensive about seeing it because I loved the book so much. What a wonderful surprise to have my expectations and hope exceeded. I love the message, the very believable message, that God is always with us doing more than we could ask or imagine,” stated Terry Meeuwsen, co-host of Pat Robertson’s “700 Club.”

“It’s not afraid to go into the real issues of life, which is pain, which is dealing with hurt and forgiveness, and what love is,” also remarked Houston of Hillsong, whose music is featured in the film. “And I think those are the things that actually connect with all humanity.”

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Samuel Rodriguez said that the film’s portrayal of the Father as a woman—who later turns into a man since the lead character could not handle seeing God as male at first due to a poor relationship with his late father—is God showing Himself to be both motherly and fatherly in His character, depending on the human need.

“[It’s] God basically saying, ‘I’ll take whatever road is necessary at [the] corresponding chapter in your life. So, in this chapter you may need more of a maternal sort of comfort and support and nurturing. And then, in this journey of your life, you need more of a male, masculine friend who accompanies you and who pushes you a little bit harder toward the journey. I am all of that. Don’t limit me. … I am what you need me to be in corresponding chapters of your life,'” he stated.


In addition to urging viewers to forgive the perpetrator, God and oneself, a common takeaway from reviewers is that the film teaches that mankind is not to judge anyone—even those who commit gross evil. In one scene, the lead character is asked to choose which one of his children will go to Hell and which to Heaven, in order to make the point that man is not to judge.

“Every Christian should see this movie to remind us that we don’t get to be the judge unless we want to be judged. All us have [things in the] closet we don’t want exposed,” said Sharon Houston, Garden of Hope, Inc. of Virginia Beach.

“The movie was a powerful message about God’s love for all of us. He doesn’t want us to be judgmental toward others,” also noted Lynn Davis of Bear Valley Church in Denver, Colorado.

“Makes me re-think again all my preconceived notions and religious beliefs of who my God is! Wow—judgment issues—a lot to change in my own views,” said Cheryl Sharp of Monte Vista Christian School in San Francisco, California.

“Thank you, Lord, for not judging us but loving us,” commented Tricia Tisdale of Greater Grace Worship Center in Sacramento, California.

The popular radio outlets Air1 and K-LOVE, along with the prominent news outlet Christian Post, have been among those marketing the “The Shack,” with Air1 and K-LOVE, both owned by the Educational Media Foundation, conducted ticket giveaways and aired advertisements for the film. The Christian Post likewise ran video ads for the movie on its site last week.

“I had some problems with the theology of this story, but I am remembering that it’s just a work of fiction and perhaps it will be helpful to those that are hurting and have unforgiveness. So because of this, I’m saying I give it a thumbs up,” said Trish Fuhlendorf of K-LOVE in Denver, Colorado.

“There were moments of great humor and plenty (so many) tear-jerking moments. I fought back tears at least four times. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit were so cleverly depicted. LOVE the film!” also remarked Kevin Porter of the The Christian Post.

Storyline and Novel Content

As previously reported, “The Shack,” released in 2007, is stated to have sold approximately 20 million copies and has been translated into 39 languages. In 2013, Lionsgate Entertainment obtained the rights to turn the book into a film.

“The Shack” tells the story of a man named Mackenzie “Mack” Phillips who faces a crisis while on a family vacation as his youngest daughter Missy is abducted and presumably killed in an abandoned shack. Years later, the grieving father receives a note from “Papa,” who tells Phillips that it has “been a while” and to meet up at the shack the following weekend.

Reluctantly, Phillips returns to the site, where he meets the Godhead—the Father portrayed as a woman named Papa “Elousia”, who later transforms into an elderly man, the Holy Spirit being a young Asian woman with the Hindu name Sarayu, and Jesus as a Jewish carpenter. Together, they seek to help Phillips deal with his faltering faith and to learn to forgive.

Among the objections cited about the 10-year-old novel are the messages that God submits to men as the Father doesn’t want them to be “slaves” to the divine will, that God will never judge mankind for their sins, that there is no eternal punishment in Hell, that there is no holy justice because God is all love, that God forgave everyone on the cross regardless of whether they will ever repent or not, and that all will eventually make it to Heaven.

“My words are alive and dynamic-full of life and possibility; yours are dead, full of law and fear and judgment. That is why you won’t find the word responsibility in the Scriptures,” God the Father tells Phillips in the story (page 205).

“Honey, I’ve never placed an expectation on you or anyone else. The idea behind expectations requires that someone does not know the future or outcome and is trying to control behavior to get the desired result,” Papa reiterates (page 206).

“I don’t need to punish people for sin. Sin is its own punishment, devouring you from the inside. It’s not My purpose to punish it; it’s my joy to cure it,” she also states (page 120).

“Mackenzie, evil is a word we use to describe the absence of good, just as we use the word darkness to describe the absence of light or death to describe the absence of life. Both evil and darkness can only be understood in relation to light and good; they do not have any actual existence,” God the Father outlines (page 136).

“I have followers who were murderers and many who were self-righteous. Some are bankers and bookies, Americans and Iraqis, Jews and Palestinians. I have no desire to make them Christian, but I do want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa, into my brothers and sisters, into My beloved,” Jesus tells Phillips (page 182).

“In Jesus, I have forgiven all humans for their sins against Me, but only some choose relationship,” Papa states (page 225).

Some are also concerned that the fictional story waters down the Godhead to make them look hip and human. When Phillips first meets Papa, in one of the scenes he finds her listening to music and asks what she is playing.

“West Coast Juice, a group called Diatribe and an album that isn’t even out yet called Heart Trips,” she replies.

“West Coast Juice, huh? It doesn’t sound very religious,” Phillips replies.

“Oh, trust me, it’s not. More like Eurasian funk and blues with a message, and a great beat,” Papa declares, and sidesteps as if breaking out a dance move (page 90).

Objections to ‘The Shack’ From a Biblical Perspective


While many who identify as evangelical have endorsed “The Shack,” others have also expressed deep concern and have called upon Christians to use godly discernment.

“If you draw close to the Papa of ‘The Shack,’ you will be drawing close to a false god who does not line up with the Yahweh of the Bible,” writes Roger Patterson of Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis in an article entitled “Staying Outside of ‘The Shack.'”

Patterson viewed the film, and says that while it may have some positive attributes, the movie is replete with dangerous and false doctrines about the Godhead.

Patterson notes that “The Shack,” which stays true to the content in the novel, portrays the Father as being always all-loving and therefore never punishing sin, no matter how egregious. It also suggests that the Father, who bears nail prints on His (or her) wrist, suffered on the cross with Jesus, a doctrine known as patripassianism.

“When Mack brings up her wrath, Papa replies, ‘Wrath? You lost me there.’ Here the Papa of The Shack is surely not the God of the Bible,” Patterson outlines.

“Further developing this point, Papa downplays sin, telling Mack that she doesn’t ‘need to punish people—sin is its own punishment.’ In another scene where Mack is challenged regarding his thinking of Papa as judge, the concept of Hell is brought up. But the real sense of the scene is that no one will be punished for their sins in Hell—even murderers and abusers—because Papa loves them just as Mack does his own children,” he explains.


He additionally notes that the movie does hint at or at least “leave open” the concept of universalism as it uses “very inclusive language” and features a scene, without explanation, that depicts a host of spirits from all nations in Heaven—a group that includes Mack’s father.

“In another scene, the Jesus character tells Mack that ‘religion is way too much work,’ and that He wants friends, not slaves. He goes on to say that ‘Christian’ is a title He is not crazy about. He only wants all people, regardless of their religious expression, to be changed by Papa and know what it means to be truly loved,” Patterson divulges.

“While we must not deny that God is our loving Father, as Jesus so clearly modeled for us, that is not all that He is. In the film, Papa expresses only love and has no room for wrath, justice, or holiness,” he outlines. “While taking the first, apparently delicious, bite of a meal prepared by Papa, Mack exclaims, ‘Oh my G*d!’ then quickly apologizes, thinking he had been irreverent. Papa laughs it off and excuses what Mack thought would be a sin.”

Patterson points to a 2012 quote from Randy Alcorn of Eternal Perspective Ministries, who said, “My concern is for those who think they are coming closer to God, when they may actually be altering the biblical revelation of God into a form that is more pleasant to them because He seems less holy and fearsome. If that’s the case, then they’re not closer to God at all, just closer to a false God, an idol constructed in the image of our contemporary need for acceptance, and forged by our resistance to repentance, submission, and accountability.”

Alcorn outlined in the same article that he finds it unnecessary and unbiblical to portray two out of three members of the Godhead as female just to soften up the concept of God for those who have been hurt by men.

“In real life, though God certainly reveals Himself through any number of godly women, I don’t see biblical examples of God the Father portraying Himself as female to people simply because their fathers are absent or aren’t good role models,” he said. “Because I had a very poor relationship with my earthly father when I came to Christ (later that was redeemed), the Fatherhood of God meant all the more to me.”

“I certainly believe that God transcends human gender, and I would not discredit the book on this basis. Still, in a New Age culture that is trying to elevate goddess-worship, portraying two of the three members of the triune God in female form for most of the book may not be entirely healthy,” Alcorn noted.

Patterson has therefore concluded that while the film may tug at the heartstrings and appeal to one’s emotions, it does not convey the God of the Bible.

“If you rely on personal experience for determining what is true, The Shack will be very appealing. If you rely on the Bible for determining what is true, The Shack will leave you disturbed, though not unmoved by the hope of love, healing, and forgiveness found in God,” he writes.

“You will find distorted shadows of the true God in the pages and scenes of The Shack, but you will not find Him in His full, Triune glory,” Patterson says. “That can only be found in the pages of Scripture. Only that God can truly heal the wounded heart and satisfy the longings of the soul.”

The Shack – Faith Leader Endorsement from Motive Entertainment on Vimeo.


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  • Amos Moses

    a comprehensive list would be nice …… but it would just confirm what many of us already know ….. apostasy is alive and well …. and those endorsing this movie are already on the outskirts in their theology and Christology …… and this is only showing just how far from true biblical christianity they are ……………

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      • Amos Moses

        i see the link in the article now …. thnx ……… missed it the first time through …….

      • Thanks for posting this. I don’t go looking for “Shack” resources, haha.

  • RWH

    I decided to check out all of these faith leaders before the moderator removes the link. I read through about a third of the list before I gave up. I saw only one name that identified himself as a reverend. There’s no real way of verifying whether the others are leaders or just others who got something out of the movie. Apparently, these people saw a deeper spiritual message beyond surface issues.

  • InTheChurch

    All the same pastors that said Trump gave his life to the Lord and is a changed man. LOL

    • Jason Todd

      Prove it. With citations.

      • InTheChurch

        which part? same pastors or that trump is a christian

        • Jason Todd


          • LeftCoast

            Samuel Rodriguez to start

          • Jason Todd

            That’s nice. But I did not ask you.

  • Grant Williams

    Every single quote from this article I can back up with Biblical scripture that supports it.

  • Jackie Hickman

    Basic Christian doctrine. Not blasphemous! God (woman and man) was what Mac needed in different circumstances. My take “God will be what you need”. Go see it

    • Reason2012

      No, God is God and we’re shown who He is in the Bible, not whatever version each person needs Him to be, worshiping their own version instead.

      • Jackie Hickman

        That’s not what I meant. Have you seen the movie? See the movie before you judge

        • Reason2012

          Hello. I’m responding to what you said whether it comes from a movie or not. God is God, not what each of us “needs” Him to be. This is the line of thinking that gets people to put God in their own box of what they want Him to be, rather than figuring out who He really is.
          And the Bible doesn’t even hint that God is a “woman” – so saying God (woman and man) implies that some can just pretend God’s a woman if that what they “need” God to be.

          Hopefully you see the problem with that line of thinking.

        • rily

          Well, in 2 Sam. 22:27 King David states in his song to God, “With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury. (KJV) (Cp. Lev. 26:23) “forward” = perverse,(and unrepentant);
          Lev. 26:23 “And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; Vs. 24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.” And in Malachi 6:3 “For I am the LORD, I change not”….So, if we are living in contradiction to Him, and He thinks we need warning, chastisement, and correction, He will see that we get it.

  • Reason2012

    Would it matter if the Pharisees “endorsed” something? Not at all. Jesus points out most people who claim to be Christians will not be saved, and that instead “few” will be. I would get your doctrine from the Bible / God, not from a movie – let alone deceiving others by endorsing said movie, deceiving others into thinking it must match Scripture when it doesn’t.

    Matthew 7:21-23 “[Jesus said] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

    Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

    If people who cast out devils in the name of Christ are cast into_hell, what chance have we got if we are endorsing movies that teach false doctrines about God / Christ?

    Acts 17:11 “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

    Psalms 1:1-2 “Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.”

    • Well said, but we still want, in love, for those false teachers to see where they are wrong and hopefully be saved, especially the author of the “Shack”.

      • rily

        They are so blinded by Satan’s lies, it looks doubtful they would receive the truth of Jesus Christ, God’s word, but you never know, so yes, we should keep correcting them, and warning them, and praying for them, for to not do so, would almost be like passing judgment on them also.

        • C R Lord

          Where there is life there is always hope.

          • terrymengle

            You are saying or implying that many of the “few” who enter the narrow gate will actually not be saved??? And those watching and endorsing the movie “The Shack” will not be saved or never were saved? That is an incredible judgement that is reserved only for God.

    • ProclaimingGodsTruth

      Speak it man!! So much of Biblical truth is being snuffed out these days in favor of comfortable and easy Christianity.

  • Grant Williams

    A couple things. I could absolutely theologically destroy this article, and its claims that The Shack is some kind of venomous piece of literature that will somehow lead people into a dark, endless void of evil. CS Lewis can depict Jesus as giant talking cat, but heaven forbid if God is illustrated in the form of a motherly like comforter with grace and strength, because apparently God only created males in his own image and women are just the leftover rib? That’s a bunch of crap. The feminine heart is one of the best parts of who God is. If you don’t believe God has a feminine form, I’m going to need you to do a little research on the characteristics of the Holy Spirit. A woman’s heart is the icing on the cake in this world. If God can be depicted as a burning piece of shrubbery in the Bible, then he can sure as heck be portrayed as a woman in a fictional storyline.
    In my own life, I’ve personally beat my chest and cursed at God only to receive an overwhelmingly, undeserved response of Grace, love, and compassion from a God who wouldn’t let my silly bantering hurt His feelings. Instead, He reached down into my grief and blew me away by what the cross really did for me, on my behalf. God is the only reason I have any understanding, or definition of what true love is. With that, I think The Shack is an awesome instrument that God can use to answer the hardest questions that reasonable but unbelieving people ask because they don’t understand why a loving God exists when such evil things happen. Like little girls being murdered in the woods, for instance.
    So to my pitchfork & torch wielding Christian friends looking for a fight over a piece of fiction that makes no claims to absolute truth, but happens to contain some well rounded Christian themes, it’s time to relax. You’re more offended than God is.

    • Jason Todd

      Two words: Albert Mohler.

      • JR

        Albert Mohler. Love him.

    • Jackie Hickman

      Well said

    • Joe Grace

      The Scriptures affirm that Satan can and does “transform himself into an angel of light”
      (2 Corinthians 11:13-15); his nature and works can and do appear very
      innocent, very godly, albeit they are counterfeit and deceptive.
      Just as Satan’s “ministers of righteousness” misled people in time
      past, so they do today. During His earthly ministry, Jesus Christ had
      more rebukes for Israel’s religious leaders than for any other one
      group. Satan is a very shrewd individual; someone who knows how to
      operate and avoid being discovered most of the time. The Devil still
      uses corrupt religious leaders, people whose spiritual wickedness is
      rarely detected.

      Hollywood and their version of Christianity is yet just another avenue Satan uses to subtly interject poison (opposing truth) into the hearts and minds of people.

      Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden
      things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word
      of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending
      ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.”

      Even today, there are people in religion who “walk in craftiness,” those “handling the word of God deceitfully.” May we not be fooled!

      • JR

        This is why the thing that looks the most like the Truth is the most dangerous. The things that are hideously in error don’t claim as many for the enemy as the error that has been transformed to appear as an angel of light.

    • kenster777

      It is not just Depicting God as a Women but also Jesus joining in with a hindu False God.
      This kind of theology is dangerous and can and does lead people down the wrong path like incorporating Yoga into church.
      It is the spirit of Anti-Christ as the apostles John said.
      This movie and book is another Satanic depiction of the Godhead.
      Depicting Jesus as Just a mere carpenter. and not as Lord and Savior. Colossians 2:9
      Be careful what you read or Preach.

    • rily

      Genesis 3:2 “And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. Vs. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. Vs. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said Here am I.”
      Exodus 24:17 “And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.”
      Deut. 4:24 “For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.”
      Hebr. 12:29 “For our God is a consuming fire.”
      Do you presume to know whether or not God is offended?
      Deut. 4:2 “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which command you. (per God, KJV)
      Rev. 22:18-19 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Vs. 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (per Jesus Christ KJV)
      Jeremiah 23:20 “The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
      Vs. 21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
      Vs. 22 But if they had stood in my counsel and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
      Vs. 23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?” and Vs. 30-31 “Therefore, behold I am against the prophets, saith LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbor.
      Vs. 31 “Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith,
      Vs. 32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.”
      Think again.

    • rily

      “but unbelieving people ask because they don’t understand why a loving God exists when such evil things happen. Like little girls being murdered in the woods, for instance”
      That is why God gave us all of His laws. God expects US to do it! We are to prosecute murderers, rapists and the like, to the full extent of His laws, not man’s “law of precedence” or “case law”. These horrific crimes happen among us because we allow it, by feeling sorry for the perpetrators, by feeling sorry for them because of their “bad childhoods”. None of the horrific crime occurs today because of God, letting such things happen, but because WE don’t enforce the laws given to us, to rid society of murderers, rapists, and evil people who do such things. It even says so in the bible:
      Deut. 19:13 “Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.” This is just as applicable to us today as it was to them, then.
      We’re not to forgive unrepentant, wicked, evil-doers, who insist upon going about murdering, and raping the vulnerable members of our society. We are to prosecute to the full extent of the laws that criminal broke!! When we don’t prosecute them, and apply judgment and punishment to them, we allow them a free pass. Then ignorant Christians turn around and ask “Why did God allow this atrocity to happen!!?? Where was God!!?? Idiot!!! It’s not God doing this stuff, it’s we who are doing this stuff by not enforcing the laws placed there to punish that stuff!! And more often than not whenever a sensational crime is on the news, you can bet that the perpetrator has a criminal record longer than his/her 2 arms put together.
      People have got to stop blaming God for our mistakes, when we don’t listen to His instructions.

  • Jason Todd

    “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJV)”

    • The Truth is hard!

      • Ruby Pearl

        Jesus IS the Truth!

      • rily

        Even Paul said “Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.” Heb. 12:11 (KJV) True love is tough love, warning people, correcting people, telling people the truth about them to them according to God’s and Jesus’ word. “Love” is not filling people’s minds full of ooey-gooey, sweet, sugary, syrupy hogwash, so you can take advantage of them, or fill up the pews, and get them to fill the plates with tithes.

    • rily

      There it is!! That’s the verse I was originally looking for, keep up the good work!!

  • Trilemma

    So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. – Genesis 1:27 NIV.

    This verse says that the image of God is male and female. The Shack gives us an image of God as male and female. Very Biblical.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      No, His pronoun is ALWAYS ONLY masculine. It is as wrong as Mary-worships.

  • xinthose

    2 Adam and Eve 4:4 “And look, O Adam, at him, who said of himself that he is God! Can God be black? Would God take the form of a woman? Is there any one stronger than God? And can He be overpowered?” ~ The answer to all of these questions is NO!

    • Fee

      You forgot to include “Can God be white?” And the answer is absolutely not!

  • Becky

    This movie is utter rubbish.

    It’s very important to keep in mind that Christ clearly stated, “God is a Spirit” (John 4:24). Christ also stated, “And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.” (John 12:45). Christ, “who is the image of God” (2Corinthians 4:4, Colossians 1:15) came in the form of a man. There are close to 200 verses that refer to Almighty God as “Father”…never mother. Indeed, male and female are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), however the scriptures also teach that our heavenly Father called them “Adam” (mankind, man, human being) (Genesis 5:2). The female was made in the image of God, “…because she was taken out of Man.” Naturally, she, too, is made in God’s image…she is of Adam’s flesh and bones (Genesis 2:23). Take note that the scriptures interestingly point out that Eve came from within Adam.

    “For Adam was formed first, then Eve.” I Timothy 2:13

    “For man is not from woman, but woman from man. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.” I Corinthians 11:8,9

    • Trilemma

      You said that God is never referred to in feminine terms in the Bible. In Proverbs 8, God’s wisdom is referred to as a woman. In Matthew 23:37, Jesus refers to Himself as a mother hen. The name of God, El Shaddai, literally means Mighty Breasted One indicating that God is our nurturer.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        God’s pronoun is always only masculine for all three Persons; it is entirely wrong to describe Him as a woman. “Shack”‘s theology itself is wrong.

        • Trilemma

          In Isaiah 66:13, God describes Himself as a mother.

          As a mother comforts her child,so will I comfort you;and you will be comforted over Jerusalem. – Isaiah 66:13 NIV

          • Jacob Burke Jr.

            Comparing God’s actions of comforting His people is not the same as describing Himself in feminine terms.

          • Trilemma

            Yes it is. He’s describing something about Himself in feminine terms when He could have used masculine terms.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Those are not feminine terms but a kind of parables. The massive number of masculine terms in the Holy BIble describe Him and identify Him. It could not be clearer.

          • Becky

            Proverbs 8 never calls Almighty God a woman, however it clearly teaches that wisdom belongs to God (vs14) and can only come from God (also see Proverbs 2:6,7).

            Matthew 23:37 is a metaphor.

            Isaiah 66:13…Almighty God can most certainly comfort us as a mother comforts her child, but that doesn’t make him a woman. He gave us that very human image, because that is something we can relate to. My sister and brother-in-law have the most adorable baby and he can lovingly and tenderly comfort their baby just as well as my sister can, but he is still dad…not mum. Nevertheless, Almighty God is the one who taught us how to address him…Father. We cannot ignore that.

          • Trilemma

            All three of these Bible passages describe an attribute of God metaphorically in feminine terms. Depicting God as Father in the Bible is also a metaphor since God is not a man. Depicting God as a woman in a movie or book is also a metaphor since God is not a woman.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. God was never described in feminine terms. He is always masculine. It is not metaphor but His consistent nouns and pronouns. God is always His people’s Father and it is His identity itself, but the few figurative speech applies only within the context. Wisdom is a feminine as a noun anyway, and the name El Shaddai expresses His might and has nothing to do with feminine-ness.

          • Becky

            God as Father is not a metaphor.

            Almighty God created fatherhood. He is our Everlasting Father…Abba (Isaiah 6:9, Mark 14:36, Galatians 4:6). In Deuteronomy 32:6, Moses clearly said that Almighty God is our Father…our Creator (eg Isaiah 43:7). It says in Isaiah 64:8, “But now, O Lord, You are our Father; we are the clay, and You our potter; And all we are the work of Your hand.” Almighty God literally created Adam from the dust of the earth and was his Father…that’s not a metaphor.

            Christ knew the Father and revealed him to us, even calling him the “living Father” (John 17:25, 10:30, 12:45, 6:57). In Matthew 7:9-11, Christ demonstrated the contrast between man’s fatherhood and God’s fatherhood…that’s not a metaphor. The relationship between our heavenly Father and his children is a living, intimate, familial relationship (eg 1 John 3:1, John 17:21).

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s a figurative speech. If your point is right, we are also all trees and not just humans. Read the entire Holy Bible. The pagans have been doing it for the longest time, but today Ex-Christendom tries to express God with humanism and gender confusion only to distort the truth. The same old evil in a new different fashion.

          • Omnicopy

            NIV is no good

          • Trilemma

            I agree. That’s why I gave all my hard copies of it away.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is good to give away Bibles. You should keep a copy for yourself and read all of the Holy Bible, asking God to help you understand. A copy of the Holy Bible used to cost millions of dollars, and it is the true life-saving treasure on earth. Many people sacrificed themselves for us to have access to it and read. The only worthy Book to live and die for accessing and translating and transmitting and reading and giving away.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            NIV is an accurate English translation. What version do you read? KJV is too difficult.

    • rily

      The complete spectrum of thought and emotion, whether considered “male” or “female”, that we as humans experience, and have, are exactly the same as those that God our Father has, because He created us, and formed us in “our image, after our likeness” (Gen. 1:26) That does not make Him female.

  • Rick

    John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    The Triune nature of God is very specific in it’s description….there is no room for interpretation. He is the very definition of Holiness. The Father looks like the Son.
    The movie is blasphemous in it’s “interpretation” of God which fails miserably at trying to reflect our relationship to him. Don’t bother. Read the Book. You will discover far more truth.

    • Chris

      “The Triune nature of God is very specific in it’s description….there is no room for interpretation”

      Give me one verse which mentions the words trinity or triune.

      • Jesse Morton

        Just because Scripture does not use those specific words does not mean that the doctrine is not taught, and it clearly is. Here are some verses where it is mentioned:

        -Mathew 28:19: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” [emphasis mine] Notice that it says the NAME, not names.

        -2 Corinthians 13:14: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.”

        -1 Peter 1:1-2: “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.”

        • Chris

          Matthew 28: 19 was added long after Matthew was written. The earliest copies don’t have it. The other two quotes you mention require interpretation. Nothing wrong with that except you wrote “there is no room for interpretation”.

          • rily

            Per E.W. Bullinger in his Ap. 167 (KJV Companion bible):
            “It will be seen from Ap. 166 that there were three separate Commissions given to the Eleven Apostles, at different times, on distinctly specified occasions and in varying words.” He then goes on to list:
            “The first” as Luke 24.27″; “The second” as Mark 16.15-18; and “The third” as in Matt. 28.19,20. Nowhere does he mention that this 3rd commission was later added after the completion of the book of Matthew. Bullinger was an excellent translator, in spite of the fact that he was a believer of the Rapture Doctrine, and I can’t help but think that if what you say is true, he certainly would’ve mentioned it. That makes me question to what “higher critic” you’ve been listening and quoting.

          • Chris

            Here’s a few quotes in support of my statement.

            “The historical riddle is not solved by Matthew 28:19, since, according to a wide scholarly consensus, it is not an authentic saying of Jesus, not even an elaboration of a Jesus-saying on baptism” (The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 1, 1992, p. 585).

            “Critical scholarship, on the whole, rejects the traditional
            attribution of the tripartite baptismal formula to Jesus and regards it as of later origin. Undoubtedly then the baptismal formula originally consisted of one part and it gradually developed into its tripartite form.” (The Philosophy of the Church Fathers, Vol. 1, Harry Austryn Wolfson, 1964, p. 143).

            “The Trinitarian formula (Matthew 28:19) was a late addition by some reverent Christian mind.” BLACK’S BIBLE DICTIONARY

      • Omnicopy

        I John 5:7 has the 3 (trinity)

        • Chris

          I agree that, that is probably a reference to the trinity. It still requires interpretation though.

    • rily

      Read the book, the Bible, and you will discover far more truth, is that what you meant? not that liar’s book The Shack.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Stay away from blasphemous works. Some white men prefer black mothers too much (some studies must be done for this strange phenomenon to be explained), but they should actually remember the important things learned from their own fathers. Man to man. And it’s wrong for white people to draw/paint Adam and Eve as black people. Adam and Eve must have looked more like the Iranians. It’s always the Far-East Asians who are left out in the scene…

    • Trilemma

      But the movie depicts God as a Far-East Asian woman.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        That’s a blasphemy against God and an insult to Asians.

        • Trilemma

          How is depicting God as an Asian an insult to actual Asians? Why not bring in all races and genders? Isn’t God the God of all races and genders?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christianity is not Hinduism. The white works seem to include the Far-East Asians just to be colorful and for that purpose alone and for no other reason. And people complain if white works don’t include the colored but no one whines if colored works don’t include the whites. It’s in imbalance, I don’t know. Both the book and the movie are blasphemous against the real God whom the Holy Bible reveals. Such deviance resembles the ancient Israelites who formed idols to express the one true holy living God who is invisible. It may satisfy self, but makes one distant from God’s truth. I’m just happy I didn’t have to watch this movie as a child. It could have been a lifetime obstacle to picture the truth.

          • rily

            God, YHVH, and Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Messiah, LORD of Lords, and KING of Kings, created all the peoples of the Earth, and all the different races. But, that doesn’t mean that God can be pictured as any one race, or gender. In Exodus 20:4-5, God instructs in the 2nd Commandment, that we are to make no graven images. He forbade that, because He knew that as soon as they did that, they would be bowing to and worshiping the image, even if it was an image of what they thought would be His likeness. He didn’t let them know what He looked like. And in Numbers 12:7-8 God let Aaron, and Miriam know that the only person who would know what He looks like was Moses. And in Deut. 4:12, 15, and 16-19, that the children of Israel, only heard His voice (and were petrified), but did not see what He looked like, and He warns against making images of Himself, or for that matter anything else in creation that they saw. So, these movie makers are totally not Biblical in their statements about God, at all.
            Pretty soon they would have people bowing down and worshipping other people as depicted to look like God in this movie. We’re not to worry about what He looks like, as much as we are to pay attention to what He has to say to us, and try diligently to obey Him.

      • rily

        The movie is not the foundational truth of God, as given in His word, the bible. The movie is a deceptive lie. Just because the movie depicts God as a Far-East Asian woman, doesn’t make it to be true!

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Agreed, it is disgusting.

    • rily

      In the Strong’s the Hebrew given for “Adam” is H120 from 119; ruddy, i.e. a human being, H119 means “to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:–be (dyed, made) red (ruddy). (Adam Gen. 2:19)
      So, Adam and Eve, were not “white”, nor were they “black”, but they were of a “rosy” complexion, middle eastern.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        It was wrong for the white author or white movie makers to depicit the Holy Spirit as an Asian woman. A Blasphemy and an insult. Asians usually paint white people as some angels from Heaven. This movie is such a blasphemy and an injustice.

        • rily

          Well, there is a big difference between the translated Hebrew description of the lineage of Adam from the ancient Hebrew text, as described in the Bible, and the imaginations of a bunch of ignorant movie makers about the image of the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t matter what they think, they are not biblical.
          When I speak with my sisters they always end up saying “Well, I think…”, then they end up 180 degrees opposite of what His word says, and it’s not about what they think, it’s about what God and Jesus directly says in His word. It really sometimes boggles my mind when that happens!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            People must not depicit God in any form, except for Jesus who came to earth as Man. God is described masculine in His Word and this movie is a blasphemy.

      • Fee

        Adam was created by God almighty using dirt from the ground, in His image and likeness. What dirt has a rosy color?

  • Nikolai Elderaw

    Apostates that listen to them – they dance under the devil

  • Ruby Pearl

    Chip and Joanna Gaines, the Bible don’t need no fixin’ up!
    And I thought Ryan Dobson was canon-minded like his father!
    The Bible says what about women pastors?
    Focus on the Family is a mere shadow of it’s former self under Dr. Dobson!
    The National Bible Association? Really?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Jesus said, “What is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.” (Luke chapter 16) This century’s such things: Da Vinci Code, Harry Potter, The Shack… All are the king’s filthy meat which Daniel and His friends avoided and made the for-ever difference. ( Daniel chapter 1)

    • Shebly

      The Shack does draw people to Christ and his church, is its theology perfect of course not but it does belong on that list. In the movie the main character in encouraged to read the bible, deal with the issue of forgiveness when he has committed a moral sin as child and a horrible crime has been committed against his family and importance of church

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        But it also pictures blasphemy and communicates false doctrines. It can be said that some rock music draws people to Christ in the similar manner, but Christians should not try to satisfy the appetite of knowing God by something deviant or accept falsehood. It’s a heretic universalism. My friend read the Holy Bible because a Buddhist monk told her to and she became a Christian. “The Shack” is like “Tuesday with Morrie.” They demand God to be certain way and paint Him that way, and it is definitely wrong on humanity’s side.

        • Grant Williams

          Dang Grace Kim Kwon, I’m so glad God sent you and the rest of the ‘theology police’ to correct these thing. I was worried.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, every Christian needs correct theology and sound doctrines. Galatians chapters 1-3. Systematic theology establishes doctrines from the entire Word of God. Learning the Word of God correctly is the purpose of universal literacy in this world. Christians also exercise thhe love of God. I personally dislike “Shack” because it uses colored peoples in blaspheming God. Shack is not only blasphemous, it also mocks colored peoples. Western whites should use their own race on the screens if they want to do bad things.

      • rily

        Before you can contemplate forgiveness, you have to start with the acknowledgment of sin, and of wrong-doing, and then repentance, and the turning away from committing those sins. He doesn’t seem to talk about that!

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    I remember Frank Peretti’s “Tilly.” Stories are good when they remind us that things are not really what they seem and that our merciful, good God has been in control all the way, letting us see the painful things from the other side. One doesn’t need to cling to a false universalism to have a godly hope, because Jesus already told us the story of the father of the prodigal son and many other stories on His Kingdom. (Galatians chapter 1,2)

  • tatoo

    God is too capricious to be a woman.

    • Jesse Morton

      When has God ever been capricious?

      • tatoo

        He will let children die, but criminals will go free. He let David cause Uriah’s death, but allowed the girl who said hello to her father to die. He seems to have no standards to follow, and chooses sides on a whim.

        • Jesse

          I apologize for the delay in reply. I have a more in-depth answer that I am putting together in response to what you stated, but I can say in short that even if we do not always understand the reasons why, God never allows things to happen for no reason. I cannot say why He allows this particular thing or that particular thing, but we know from Scripture that God has taken things meant for evil and used them for good. One of the best examples would be in the book of Job.

          Now, as far as David and Uriah, God may have allowed David to arrange for the murder of Uriah, but God did not let David off the hook for it. He suffered horrible consequences, including one of his own sons becoming a traitor and trying to usurp his throne, seeking to kill David in the process. As far as prisoners going free: they may seem to go free while they are on the earth, but they will have to stand before God and give an account.

          I have more things to say, but I feel it would be better to gather my thoughts first and then say what I need to say.

        • rily

          God doesn’t let children die, but criminals go free, WE DO, that’s our fault for not following His instructions in His laws. We have the 10 Commandments, and in Deut. Ch. 4, and 5 He expounds on those laws. We are not to let murderers, rapists, and kidnappers go free, and unpunished. In Numbers 35:31-32, we are not to pay for the life of a murderer, the only way his victim will have justice, is when he is sent out of this earth to stand before God and his victim to account for himself. That’s where his real trial occurs. Jesus Christ said in Matt. 5:17 He did not come to destroy the law or the prophets, i.e. the 10 Commandments, and all that pertains to them, in the application of justice. But, some in the churches have been misled into thinking that we are to feel sorry for and forgive unrepentant criminals. They’ve been miserably deceived!! They confuse “revenge” with fair, right justice.

        • Jesse

          I had posted a response to this 3 days ago, but it had been marked as spam (and still hasn’t been corrected), so let’s hope it goes through this time. I am putting together a much more in-depth response, but am still working on how to be present it. I do have something to share now though.

          I can say that even if we do not always understand the reasons why, God never allows things to happen for no reason. I cannot say why He allows this particular thing or that particular thing, but we know from Scripture that God has taken things meant for evil and used them for good. One of the best examples would be in the book of Job. We need to remember that God knows all things and can see the whole picture, whereas we are only seeing a small part of it. I am confident that if we saw things from His perspective, then we would completely understand why He allows this or that.

          Now, as far as David and Uriah, God may have allowed David to arrange for the murder of Uriah, but God did not let David off the hook for it. David suffered horrible consequences, including one of his own sons becoming a traitor and trying to usurp his throne, seeking to kill him in the process. As far as prisoners go, each one of us will have to stand before God and give an account. Therefore, an evil person may seem to get away with things here and now, but from an eternal perspective, they are not getting away with it. If that person dies without having repented and believed in Jesus Christ, then he or she will suffer eternal judgment.

          I have more things to say, but I feel it would be better to gather my thoughts first and then say what I need to say.

  • Shebly

    Is theology of the Shack perfect of course not, but it does draw people to Christ and his church. In the movie the main character in encouraged to read the bible, deal with the issue of forgiveness when a horrible crime has been committed against his family and importance of church

    • rily

      No, it does not draw people to the truth of God’s true word, and not to the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, but to a false God, and to a false Christ, the “Instead of-Christ”.
      This is because everything that the author says about God, and Jesus Christ in his book, and in this movie flies in direct contradiction of what God says about Himself, and about Jesus, and about us humans. It contradicts everything that God says He hates, and God says He loves.
      “Hate? Does God Hate?” you might ask. Yes!, if you read the KJV, and you look up in the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the word “hate”, the word “abomination”, the words “froward”, and “sin”, it lists for you all the verses in which God describes what He considers to be an abomination, and all the things, and types of people, and types of sins that He hates (Ex. Prov. 6:16-19, actually you can read it from vs. 12-19)
      And in 2 Chronicles 19:2, God asks Jehoshaphat, through Jehu the seer, “Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.” And in Deu. 7:10 “And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.” (this is written to those who insist on walking habitually contrary to God/Jesus, who work against Him, who actively hate Him, and to those who commit spiritual murder through their spread of false religion.) Did Jesus change this? No! Deut.18:18-19, Matt. 5:17-20. Has God, Jesus changed? No! Malachi 3:6, Heb.13:8. Look it up, it’s there to read. God hates evil, and evil people, the wicked, He hates sin, but He loves those that love Him/Jesus, and loves those who obey Him.

  • So the apostasy continues…

  • Discernment is a MUST In a world where there is a plethora of religious belief systems most of which are not biblical …this book and film do present conflicting issues with christian concepts ….it is a fictional work but many folks today have barely opened if ever read the bible …and their knowledge of Christianity is largely based on what they have heard others say ….so a fictional book can easily become foundations of what they think Christianity is and should be .Those that have read and studied their bibles will have little trouble seeing the fallacies that are presented in the fictional film and book

  • China preacher

    These “preachers” are dingbat crazy for endorsing this nonsense. A-typical reactions from not so A-list preachers in my estimation. Idiots, dogs, vipers, clouds without water is more in line to how I see them.

  • rily

    WOW!! What a huge pack (flood) of lies!! It’s true what the bible says in Amos 8:11 “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:”
    and Jesus warned us in Matt. 24:4-5, Mark 13:5-6, and Luke 21:8, Be not deceived, for many shall come in My Name, saying I am Christ (or I am a Christian preacher/minister, I follow Christ).
    St. Paul speaks of this apostasy in 2 Thess. 2:3-12 Vs. 3 “Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Vs. 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” and in Vs. 10 “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Vs. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” You want to believe a lie? Go ahead, God will let you do that.
    The “day” Paul speaks of is the return of Jesus Christ at the 2nd Advent, which is the 7th trumpet in Rev. 11:15; 14:14:1; 16:15-17.
    The “falling away” is apostasy, the exchange of your belief in God’s truth for belief in a lie. The “man of sin”, the “son of perdition”, is Satan as Anti-Christ. Satan, himself, who is not born of a woman, shows up here on earth, at the 6th trumpet, before our true Lord & Savior, Messiah, at the end of our current dispensation of Grace, having been kicked out of Heaven by Michael the Archangel as Jesus foretold in Luke 10:18 “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
    And as stated in Rev. 12:7-9, Satan comes here to earth posing as our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ, posing as God, and fills the earth with a flood of lies, Rev. 12:13. Those who allow themselves to be deceived into worshiping Satan, thinking that he is Christ/God, end up losing their souls, and eternal life, as stated in Rev. 14:9-11.
    Don’t be fooled by the traditions of man’s word!!! Read the bible for yourself, and PRAY, and ask God to open your spiritual ears and eyes, so you will know and understand the true person of Jesus Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, and what they say about themselves, about Satan, about you and this world, and what God wants (salvation) for all people, which He created all people on this earth, not just the Jews, not just Caucasians, not just “white” people but ALL PEOPLE!! And it is all based on the acknowledgement to God of your sin, and your repentance, and your acceptance of Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior, and your faith in and obedience to Him.

  • Al Lengyel

    This movie is not Christian but represents Baphomet the trans gender god the true JESUS WHO IS THE god man came as a man in human and he referred to the god head as Father. Jesus says many false teachers will arise in the end times that’s why I do not believe in religion but JESUS IS MY SAVIOR . following many of these so called religions will lead followers to the lake of fire with their fake god Lucifer

  • Olderthanyou

    Nothing new here. Satan’s oldest trick: Mix lies with just enough truth to make if believable…

  • Stella Clay

    When the book first came out I bought it. However less than half way through I realized it was spiritually/Biblically inaccurate and stopped reading it. Sad to see so many gullible Christians. Might be wiser for them to open the pages of the Bible and get back to basics.

  • The Mohicans

    The Bible is the only answer, Period. Matthew 4:4 “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” People are starving to death reading anything but the True Word of GOD.

  • Perplexed

    Babylon has fallen, has fallen comes to mind.

  • Jim j

    So much attention on the perceived injustices by God in this world but had man not rebelled all would be good. Every knee will bow, every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. Do it today or you will do it post mortem. You will bow to God even if He has to break your legs for you to bow your stiff necked self. If you want to be in the kingdom, bow to the King.

  • Overcome Evilgov

    “Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,”
    ‭‭II Thessalonians‬ ‭2:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

  • Omnicopy

    Who wants to see a movie about a little girl that is abducted and murdered??? I do not call that a Christian movie SORRY!!

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      The main story takes place after that crime.

  • Omnicopy

    God is definitely male. He has a male voice

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    There is a gain if it sparks and revives teaching the sound doctrines of the Holy Trinity in churches (without watching the movie).

    • Omnicopy

      The churches are fallen away, nothing will help them

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        No, it’s the Church that will remain true to Jesus to the end. Read the Book of Revelation.

        • Omnicopy

          The institutional churches have fallen away. The Laodicean church in Revelation 3 didn’t stay true to God. Jesus said will I find true faith on earth when I return. Few serve Him now.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Lord knows His own. He assured us He will sustain us. We can’t make ourselves stay faithful, but He does it for the sake of His holy name. The Western Church evangelized and contributed to the whole world; it’s sad to see this kind of blasphemy is made popular now. I think people are hungry after a comforting God but would not give up the false notions and do not care how much the works of fiction come with a falsehood against God Himself.

            I think Western white people overdid their remourse on their past and ignored how lost the demon-worshipping pagan colored were. And certainly anyone forcing anyone else to bake cakes for homosexual wedding is beyond comprehension. Do those people have really parents and children? I thought the visible racism up to decades ago from the mankind of fairer skin was pretty sad, but to be bullied instead by the Western mobs for not-endorsing homosexuality this century was beyond imagination. I always thought Americans valued the individual freedom the most.

            I still feel the Western white people are joking and mocking the colored people and also God Himself, making this kind of movie and forcing the population to serve homosexual sins at the same time. Every culture has defects; it’s important not to be controlled by it. Trusting in Jesus is so easy and acceptable in all cultures, but being true to Him means going against the current constantly. May god have mercy on America.

          • Omnicopy

            The American churches worship Molech and we’ve sent the false gospel around the world. I saw it over 30 years ago. I was raised up to pray for America. I’ve been fasting for the USA for over 30 years. We were saved from Hillary!!!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, thank God for sparing the USA from Hillary. Thank you for praying for the USA. Yes, we should fast and pray for the world’s children and the persecuted Christians. Timely, it is lent.

          • rily

            It really isn’t fair to stereotype and generalize any race of people no matter what color they are; there are plenty of white people, today, who try not to joke/mock colored peoples, but it seems those ones get the brunt of the anger. This is where forgiveness comes in, and while I’m not trying to excuse the “white slavers”, and those who treated the colored peoples so cruelly, it is true, that white people are not the only people that practiced slavery in the history of all human cultures. “White” peoples were enslaved in the Roman Empire. There were certain of the Native American peoples of the early colonial times, that also kept African slaves, in a sad effort to be accepted as “civilized” by the white races who came to North America. They should not have looked to the whites as any shining example of “civilized”. When I look at the early white settlers, claiming to be Christian I am forced to be somewhat skeptical. Maybe in they’re own minds they considered themselves to be Christian, but in light of what Christ has to say in Rev. 2:9, and Rev. 3:9 about the people that profess Him, and in Luke 6:46, but do not obey Him, I find myself forced into questioning the sincerity of them who called themselves “Christian”. How do you call yourself “Christian” while treating others as “non-human”? “Man’s inhumanity to man” comes in all colors.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Rily, white slave owners and white racists are okay and only average on earth; every race and clan and tribe has been slave owners, and everyone is a racist on earth one way or another. All women and children have been the landlords or men’s slaves in the Non-West before being contacted by the Christian West.

            Non-West never had any concept of human rights or freedom until the Bible-literate white race taught us about it. I think God punished Non-West for the never-ending demon-worships and barbarisms using the Christian West and in turn the humanistic West suffered two world wars. Racism was normal for all Earthlings until the world got horrified at Nazi atrocities. Everyone is a sinner and every nation/region/race is guilty.

            Today’s crimes are annihilation of unborn babies and the Western powerful’s imposing of homosexuality. I use racial terms and slavery so that Western readers would understand today’s society’s guilt. Personally I don’t care about white racists because they behave better than my fellow yellow racists.

            I don’t want the Western whites to push and demand homosexual depravity because that truly destroys homeland and global children. Personally I don’t like this movie because I feel the white people are mocking God using colored people again. It’s been trend. As a colored, I don’t expect the white race not to be racist (I can’t even fix my own countrymen of racism), but blasphemy is unacceptable.

          • rily

            I don’t bother watching stuff like this, because it never fails, they are not believers of the Bible (KJV), and they end up twisting the word of God to their own ends, resulting in the deception, and/or the rejection of the word of God, by people who are put off, offended, or confused by their portrayal of it, because they are ignorant, and don’t study God’s word as given in the bible. Jesus Christ said in Mark 13:5-6 “Take heed lest any man deceive you: Vs. 6 For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” Movies like this only serve as babble; to confuse. And Jesus said in Mark 13:14 “But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:”(KJV)…..but it’s better to read it as “standing where he ought not,” Daniel did not speak of a condition, but of an entity. In other words, Satan, as Anti-Christ, will appear here on earth, at the 1st Seal, the 6th Trumpet,(Rev. 6:1-2, 8, 12-13), standing in the temple of the Lord, claiming to be God, and claiming to be Jesus Christ, before the return of our true Lord and Savior Jesus Christ at the 7th Trumpet ; (Rev. 6:14-17) And it says in Rev.14:9-12 what will happen to those who worship Satan, thinking that he is the Lord Jesus Christ. Read 2 Thess. 2:1-12.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western powerfuls are increasing the crimes against global children exactly described in this novel by pushing and norminalizing homosexuality on Planet Earth. If they don’t realize it, they are truly fools. They are destroying the children to protect some mentally ill ego of sexual perv criminals. There is only one conclusion. The Western culture lost sanity by losing the Judeo-Christian values. Anyone who did not raise his own children properly should not take leadership at all. Childless amoral individuals only contribute to the society’s destruction.

          • rily

            “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might. Vs. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Vs. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Vs.13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Vs. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; Vs. 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Vs. 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. Vs. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Vs. 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints,”….Eph. 6:10-18, (this is what to do)
            “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:”
            (Phill. 2:5
            Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly…..and never mind all the confusion flying through this world.

  • HugoPorta

    The despicable lascivious liberal society is now going to far. Your shamelessness and your humanism is attempting to destroying the very fabric of our societies, religion and FAITH. First I pray you will realize your folly turn and be saved and second I wish you well in hell!!!!


    • Ruth


  • ProclaimingGodsTruth

    It’s fairly obvious that the folks who endorse this blasphemous movie and book don’t read their Bibles. God will judge us!! He is coming again in judgment for those that do not know Him or obey His Gospel – 2 Th 1:8-9.
    He’s coming again but this time as the Lion of Judah not as the Lamb of God. He also expects us to expose evil – Eph 5:11. People better start reading their Bibles and listening to what it says!!

  • nagra bagra

    The Bible IS the plumb line that tells us whether we are ”straight”. No one builds a house without knowing whether the foundation is solid and straight. Who wants a lopsided house with no straight walls? It would drive you crazy and the house wouldn’t last long with a warped foundation. So our lives must also be based on the truths of the foundation that never changes, by the creator of all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. There is no shadow of turning with God, so if one doesn’t read the word and have a personal vibrant relationship with it’s author, then their foundation was never secured in the first place, and it shifts with the winds or tides of life and the doctrines of demons, which is what this book and movie is.

  • Eddie Johnson

    A cake that is filled with a small amount of arsenic is still a poisonous cake.

  • Robert

    Never heard of the book or movie before . Sound like mostly dribble theology to sell their lousy book.

  • Aa Ee

    The Great Falling Away is avalanching. Already Western nations do more wickedly than heathen Muslim States

  • Rick

    When is Hollywood going to get it? If your going to relate a biblical truth, don’t corrupt it into your own definition.
    It is absurd to think you can take anyone in history and rewrite a story about them that is inaccurate. Whether it is fiction or not.
    The name of God is HOLY. He made His name very clear to the Patriarch’s and to the disciples through Jesus. The attempt to “redefine” YHVH into anyone other than HE declared is blasphemy. This is the 3rd commandment defined. “Thou shall not take the Lord your God’s name in vain”.

    It seems fairly obvious….