Homosexual Organist Admits to Staging Hate Slur Vandalism

BEAN BLOSSOM, Ind. — An Indiana Episcopal organist who identifies as a homosexual has been charged with criminal mischief after he initially claimed to have found a hate slur and a swastika spray-painted on St. David’s Episcopal Church, but has now admitted to staging the graffiti himself.

George Stang, 26, of Bloomington has outlined in a written statement that he painted “Heil Trump” and “f*g church” on the building last November to “mobilize a movement after being disappointed in and fearful of the outcome of the national election.”

“I suppose I wanted to give local people a reason to fight for good, even if it was a false flag,” he wrote. “To be clear, my actions were not motivated by hate for the church or its congregation. I of course realize now, this was not the way to go about inspiring activism.”

Stang’s leadership is embracing of open homosexuals. Kelsey Hutto, the head of St. David’s, called police after being told by Stang that someone had vandalized the building.

Police have been investigating the matter for the past six months, and determined that the graffiti was an inside job. Officials obtained a warrant to review Stang’s cell phone records, which they discovered would have put him in the vicinity of crime at the time it occurred.

Stang was consequently questioned about the matter in February, but he denied being at St. David’s the night of Nov. 12. He was interviewed again by police in late April, and finally admitted to staging the vandalism.

The Episcopal Diocese of Indianapolis condemned Stang’s behavior.

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“This was a hurtful, dishonest and profoundly misguided action that stands against the values of the people of this diocese and the Episcopal Church, and we will continue to cooperate with the authorities who are pursuing this case,” Jennifer Baskerville-Burrows, the organization’s “bishop,” said in a statement.

However, she opined that “sexual, religious and racial minorities have well-founded reasons to be fearful” as Stang said.

If convicted, Stang faces up to one year in jail and a fine of $5,000.

As previously reported, last year, Jordan Brown of the Church of Open Doors in Texas, also a homosexual, filed a lawsuit against the health-oriented grocery chain Whole Foods, claiming that an employee wrote a slur on his “Love Wins” cake order. He sought emotional damages from the company for committing what he tearfully declared during a press conference as being an act of hate.

However, when Whole Foods investigated and discovered that Brown’s story didn’t add up, they counter-sued. Brown subsequently admitted to lying, acknowledging that he staged the accusation by writing the slur on the cake himself. He also dropped his lawsuit against the company.

“I am dismissing my lawsuit against Whole Foods Market. The company did nothing wrong,” Brown said in a statement. “I was wrong to pursue this matter and use the media to perpetuate this story.”


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  • Oboehner

    Someone needs a little mental help.

    • Amos Moses

      they need some heart surgery ……..

    • Parodyx

      Call 911 then.

      • Oboehner

        What’s your address?

        • Parodyx

          Physician, heal thyself.

  • yabruf

    What do expect from a filthy sodomite?

    • William of Glynn

      Flagged.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Oh really? There are an estimated 9 million gay Americans. Why haven’t we seen this behavior from all of them then? Not even the majority? Not even 20%? 10%?

      • Oboehner

        Would never be reported, case in point Matthew Shepherd vs. Jesse Dirkhising.

        • Croquet_Player

          But obviously the Stang case above was reported. I read about it in a number of places. (And I live in California, not Indiana, so it went national.) And the Dirkhising case was reported too. If only all rape was reported as much as the Dirkhising case.

          • Oboehner

            grossly underreported compared to Shepherd, hence Matthew Shepherd vs. Jesse Dirkhising.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          So you’re alleging that there are 9 million people regularly faking hate crimes all across the country and nobody is reporting it? And you say that with a straight face?

          • Oboehner

            Obtuse.

      • michael louwe

        In general, percentage-wise, there are more homosexual evildoers than Christian evildoers, and similarly more Black criminals than White criminals and more Muslim terrorists than Christian terrorists, in USA.

        • Chris

          Evidence please.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          What’s your source for that? Because every source I’ve seen says that white, anti-government, right wing terrorism is a FAR bigger problem than Islamic terrorism.

          • Amos Moses

            gotta be some left wing nutjob org like SPLC …………..

          • William of Glynn

            Jesus was a left-wing nutjob.

          • Jason Todd

            Blasphemous troll. Flagged.

          • Peter Leh

            or the right wing ADF? FRC? Exodus International?

            Hey, Amos, Is Perkins STILL recruiting the KKK for the republican party?

          • Amos Moses

            i am not a Republican ….. why should i care …..

          • Amos Moses

            The Southern Poverty Law Center, which attacks with “hater” labels anyone, even Dr. Ben Carson, who disagrees with its pro-homosexual social agenda, was reprimanded by the Obama Department of Justice a year ago for its “personal, baseless and below-the-belt” statements, but the scolding was kept quiet by the federal agency.

            The reprimand was revealed in a report by officials with the Washington watchdog Judicial Watch, who said they obtained a copy of a letter including the scolding to the “radical leftist” group.

            “The previously undisclosed DOJ rebuke is a vindication for groups targeted by the SPLC’s witch hunts and is especially impactful because the Obama administration was tight with the SPLC and even hired the controversial nonprofit to conduct diversity training for the government,” Judicial Watch said.

            Its report described the SPLC as “an extremist nonprofit that lists conservative organizations that disagree with it on social issues on a catalogue of ‘hate groups.’”

            Probably most famous was its connection in court to a domestic terrorist who admitted he tried to kill as many people as he could at the Christian Family Research Council in Washington in 2012.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay? So what?

          • Amos Moses

            so they are so unreliable even the last administration spanked them ………

          • Ambulance Chaser

            And if I had said anything about the SPLC, it might be somewhat relevant but still not dispositive.

          • Amos Moses

            we know your sources …………..

      • yabruf

        First let me correct your math. Sodomites only make up approximately 1.8% of the U.S. population courtesy the CDC. That’s closer to 6 million not 9.

        Also let me remind you we are talking about humans here not animals. Man, although wicked at heart, can still think for himself.
        So just because your depraved doesn’t necessarily mean your stupid. I am sure the majority of sodomites can figure out how to get away with simple vandalism unlike the simpleton in this article.

        • Chris

          “Also let me remind you we are talking about humans here not animals”

          Look up the definition of animal. Human beings belong to the kingdom animalia.

          • Amos Moses

            can find that in the bible …… this is a christian forum ……. we use christian definitions here ………

          • Croquet_Player

            This is a public forum.

          • Amos Moses

            nope …. you had better check your head space and timing …… CHRISTIANnews is a CHRISTIAN forum ……….

          • Peter Leh

            He is the gatekeeper.. his rules in his mind

          • Amos Moses

            i see the comment on this comment was deleted ….. ;(

          • William of Glynn

            You are without a doubt the most intelligent vegetable I have ever encountered.

          • Peter Leh

            “we use christian definitions here ………”

            perhaps the reason why the world does not understand? Perhaps we should speak “their” language so they understand? 😉

          • Amos Moses

            perhaps they are not lead to understand by Christ and the Holy Spirit …… for reasons Christ only knows …….. the reason they do not understand is that they reject the things of God ……. and that they were rejected from the foundation of the world ……

          • Peter Leh

            maybe .. but who is to know? How would that change our approach? It would not.

            Unless you played GOD.

            wait….

          • Amos Moses

            2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
            2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
            2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
            2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

            Nope … God does all the deciding ….. my only obligation is to speak the truth …… and it is up to Christ and the Holy Spirit to do the rest ……

            1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
            1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
            1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
            1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
            1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
            1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
            1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
            1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
            1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

            and if some are chosen ….. not by me but by God ….. then the others were rejected ….. for God is sovereign ……… God is not here to save everyone ….. He is here for His sheepfold …… and no other …….

          • Peter Leh

            “Nope … God does all the deciding ….. my only obligation is to speak
            the truth …… and it is up to Christ and the Holy Spirit to do the
            rest ……”

            Wait this is a christian forum… my understanding you only speak “christianese”, to hell with the unbeliever, right?

            ” He is here for His sheepfold …… and no other …….”

            and what are we here for?

          • Amos Moses

            “Wait this is a christian forum… my understanding you only speak “christianese”, to hell with the unbeliever, right?”

            we are not given the luxury of altering Gods word …… we are called to be salt and light ….. NOT sugar and light ….. it is not up to us to coat it in chocolate and sprinkles …….. it is our calling to PRESENT Gods word …… it is not up to us to CONVINCE anyone of the truth of it by feigned words …… that is the worlds trap …. if the word of God is an offence to the world …… then it is SUPPOSED to be …………

            “and what are we here for?”

            see above ……….

          • Peter Leh

            “and if some are chosen ….. not by me but by God ….. then the others
            were rejected ….. for God is sovereign ……… God is not here to
            save everyone”

            well there is certainly a duality in man’ choice and sovereignty of god laid out in scripture.

          • Amos Moses

            man pretty much has no choice …… you cannot point to even one person in scripture that was saved because they “made a decision” to accept God ………… God is sovereign ….. He does what He wants …..we have no say in the matter ………… man rejects the things of God as part of mans nature ……

          • Sharon_at_home

            When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They
            that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I
            came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. .
            Mark 2:17

            |This means that Jesus was here to save the sinners. It’s our job to teach them so they will convert before the end of time.

          • Amos Moses

            “This means that Jesus was here to save the sinners. ”

            yep ….. BUT …. it DOES NOT say He is here to save every sinner ……it is our job to present the truth …… it is Christ job to convince and convict them ………… the only ones Christ is here for are the ones the Father has sent Him ….. salvation is ALL Christs work ….. and none of it is of us …… the word is God and Christ …. if Christ, as His word, does not convince them ….. then it is not on us to go any further ……..

            1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
            1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
            1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
            1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
            1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

            6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
            6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
            6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
            6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

            Luke 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I agree that it is the end of the Age coming, I feel it is quickening actually.

            When we see the end coming (because we’ve seen the signs He told us to watch for),

            did Jesus say to stop trying to lead people to Him? I understood we were to keep trying right up to the time we are taken up to be with Jesus. Yes He knows if these gentlemen will eventually convert but he doesn’t seem to tell me that I should give up. I’m pretty sure He’d make that clear to me since He’s always done that before when I’ve prayed about something.

            How are they going to convert without understanding the Gospel first? Or more importantly why would they want to convert without the knowledge that the Gospel has given to us.

            Why would the Lord not want me to teach them in the hopes of them converting some day? He wants everyone to repent and he never said to give up if you think there is a chance. I have a better chance than anyone who criticizes them with their faith as their weapon and their hate shown so bluntly. At least they are listening to me. All you do is fight with them. You can’t predict whether anyone will turn to Jesus. Only God knows that.

          • Amos Moses

            sure …. where did i ever say different ………….. i do not use my faith as a weapon …… the truth is what i use …… and Christ is the way, the truth, and the life …… here is the thing ….. when i quit worrying about how my words were being perceived …… it freed me to speak all His words ….. and let the chips fall where they may …… i do not fight with them …… they come here to fight ……….. they want to fight against God and His people …… i have nothing to do with that ….

            “How are they going to convert without understanding the Gospel first? ”

            How are they going to hear the gospel UNTIL they are convicted by the LAW ……. the law is what brings conviction …. how do you tell a person they are saved ….. SAVED FROM WHAT … if they do not understand that …… then they are not saved …….. we were given the LAW AND THE GOSPEL ……… and it that ORDER ….. and for a REASON ……..

            “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet (Rom. 7:7).” – Paul

            “Explain the Ten Commandments and obey the divine injunction: show my people their transgressions, and the house of Jacob their sins. Open up the spirituality of the law as our Lord did, and show how it is broken by evil thoughts, intents, and imaginations. By this means many sinners will be pricked in their hearts”. – Charles Spurgeon

            “I do not believe that any man can preach the gospel who does not preach the Law. The Law is the needle, and you cannot draw the silken thread of the gospel through a man’s heart unless you first send the needle of the Law to make way for it. If men do not understand the Law, they will not feel they are sinners. And if they are not consciously sinners, they will never value the sin offering. There is no healing a man till the Law has wounded him, no making him alive till the Law has slain him”. – Charles Spurgeon

            “The man who does not know the nature of the Law cannot know the nature of sin. And he who does not know the nature of sin cannot know the nature of the Savior”.
            – John Bunyan

            “To tell a man he is a sinner without telling him what sin is, is like telling him he is under arrest without telling him what he’s charged with.” – Ray Comfort

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’m sorry, I must have written something in a misleading way at some point.
            I do talk to them about their sins, but am I supposed to be critical to the point where they are not going to listen to what I am saying?
            I never said I don’t talk to them about their sins, I just cannot imagine anyone sitting and listening about Jesus’ Salvation, after you ‘stood up for you faith’ with scriptures that sound cruel and unjust to some. Someone can’t just spout scriptures to unbelievers and expect them to understand them. You have to explain them to give the understanding of their sins from a biblical view. Not just “this is a sin”, but beyond that. And please don’t tell me God will do that…. I know He could but He gave us all free will and said he wouldn’t interfere with that – to our folly.
            He also gave us the duty to spread the Gospel.
            You can’t use vinegar to catch flies, you need to use honey.
            I’m curious, Amos; are you Christian or Hebrew? Just wondering…

          • Amos Moses

            in their pride they are not listening anyway ………….. what this comes down to is this …… are we going to take the long approach and try to wear them down to accept Christ and the truth …… and them have them say “sorry, cant do it, dont believe it” …… or are we going to cut to the chase and get to the issue …… both paths are within our Christian freedom …… and here is the rub …… Christ will not lose even one that belongs to him ….. you and i have no idea if they do or not …… so for me it is a matter of efficiency …… if they do not want to listen …. that is on them …. Christ does the work ….. not me …. i have never saved anyone ….. INCLUDING me …… Christ did that …. He did ask my permission ….. He grabbed me by the scruff of my neck and said “ok, you are done with that, i need you to do this now” ….. and that was it ………..

            “after you ‘stood up for you faith’ with scriptures that sound cruel and unjust to some.”

            it is not our job to sprinkle sugar on the truth ……….. when the Hebrews were instructed to take a lamb for sacrifice ….. they had to a number of things and then had to eat it ……. and here is the thing ….. THEY HAD TO EAT IT ENTIRELY ……… and that INCLUDED the entrails …… the WHOLE thing …… from the nose to the tail and EVERYTHING in between ……. and that is what scripture is ….. it is the Lamb of God, it is Christ …… we are not given the option of cutting out the parts we think are “objectionable” …… we either present it WHOLE ….. or we are lying to them ……… and if they do not like it ….. then that is what is supposed to happen …….. God word does not return void ….. it either draws them or it repels them …… it has nothing to do with our presentation ….. it has to do with Christ …………..

          • Amos Moses

            “I’m curious, Amos; are you Christian or Hebrew? Just wondering…”

            i am Gods poorest example of a Christian ……..

          • Amos Moses

            it is not my concern to guess or determine who WILL be saved and who WILL NOT …… that is Christs work …. NOT MINE ….. mine is to present the truth of the scriptures …. and that is all …………. presenting the truth is presenting Christ and the scriptures …… they are inseparable …….. Christ is the stumbling block to every man, to every sinner …… i am not the stumbling block ….. their own pride in their sin is ………………..

          • Amos Moses

            We are not capable of choosing God/Christ. He chooses us, we do not choose Him. Never have, never will. We are all in rebellion to God/Christ.

            John 15:16, Ephesians 1:4, John 6:37, John 6:44,Romans 8:28-30, John 10:4, John 3:25-28, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Matthew 22:1-14, Matthew 22:14, Ephesians 2:10, Ephesians 1:11, 1 Peter 2:9, Deuteronomy 30:1-8, Deuteronomy 14:2, Deuteronomy 7:6

            How can you boast about something that you did not earn, that you do not deserve and that was given to you out of pure grace? Every ability and gift we have comes from above.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I can’t imagine myself boasting in anything about Jesus or not. I know what you said in your last part. I agree with it. But, how is it boasting to say that I think we should encourage but not be cruel to them about their sin.

            I’m going to take a while to read all those scriptures you quoted.

            Isn’t it that we are all in rebellion to God/Christ until we believe? If you are trying not to sin, how is that a rebellion. Sorry, I honestly don’t understand that part of your post. The idea is to live without sin, repenting for the ones we do, and keeping our focus on the Lord. He also wants us to try to encourage people to Jesus. Is this not the way your understand Jesus’ Words?

          • Amos Moses

            their sin is what they are COMFORTABLE with …. it is our JOB to present the scriptures to make it UNCOMFORTABLE ….. sin is supposed to be uncomfortable ……. it is when they become uncomfortable that we get conviction ….. if one is not convicted of their sins ….. then we are wasting our time and theirs ….. we are drawing them to a false Christ …. a false impression of Christ is a false Christ ……………

            “Isn’t it that we are all in rebellion to God/Christ until we believe?”

            yes …….

            “The idea is to live without sin, repenting for the ones we do, and keeping our focus on the Lord.”

            we as men will always sin …….. even after we are saved ….. as Paul said
            7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
            7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
            7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
            7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
            7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
            7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
            7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
            7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
            7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
            7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
            7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
            7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

            i appreciate this discussion ….. thnx …………

          • Sharon_at_home

            Moses, I always appreciate discussions where I’m learning. 😀
            TBH I feel like the Lord directed me here. I used to only read the news on this site and wasn’t interested in the comments. One day I was drawn to the comments and I actually posted, which is unusual for me so I guess it was something that really stirred up my soul.
            Maybe God has a different job for me, I have no idea of course, but I do try to do the Lord’s work as often as I can but i view the gospel differently than you. I feel Jesus’ message is a message of love and compassion that tells us to Love everyone, Help everyone, Teach the Word and bring them to church to learn more about God’s Word. The way I guess I look at it, Sin is something you discuss while you speak the Word to them. I know for myself how I’d react to being bluntly told with the scriptures that I am a sinner; I would say ‘hey this guy doesn’t like me, and he thinks I am going to stick around to listen? No way. Bye!”
            But with a softer approach they won’t feel scorned and will be more likely to listen to the point of having their sins pointed out and encouraged to turn to Jesus to help them overcome the sins. Most people know about their sin anyways. It’s easy for some things as it’s a case of right or wrong. But something like homosexuality it is a sin that God said was a big sin. I am totally positive they all know they sin because Christians often point it out right?
            I don’t go into the sin on here as deeply as you but in a way, you do that for me, or someone else does it. I’m not interested in convicting or punishing anyone for their sins as I too am a sinner. I approach them with the Love that Jesus showed me. People react better to love and understanding than to criticism. It’s in our nature and not something God would want removed.
            Anytime the Lord has brought someone to me to help them, He has always given me the knowledge and understanding I needed to help them, but he also knows the way I help people and sent people that needed an understanding approach rather than a stern one.
            Moses I have read many of your posts and you definitely know your scriptures. Sometimes I need to go a step further and find out what the person is like before I get into a heavy conversation with them about anything. I determine if the person is at all approachable and if he seems to have an open mind, I know that I have a chance to help him for Jesus. I can tell when it’s a total lost cause. They are usually very vocal to say they are unbelievers as they walk away.
            I think that’s what the comment board is, isn’t it. A place to discuss things with other people of different thoughts to learn and give our information to those who don’t have it, That’s why I am trying to encourage people to not argue about something we all know is a sin. I prefer to discuss and not argue. 😀
            Thanks again.

          • Amos Moses

            “‘hey this guy doesn’t like me, and he thinks I am going to stick around to listen? No way. Bye!””

            ummm … i like you … in fact i LOVE you enough to tell you the truth ……… not stroke your hair, pat you on the back, give a chocolate and say “theres a good Sharon” … the most loving thing you can do is BE HONEST and BE TRUTHFUL ….. at all times …….

            Prv 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

            “I don’t go into the sin on here as deeply as you but in a way, you do that for me, or someone else does it. I’m not interested in convicting or punishing anyone for their sins as I too am a sinner.”

            there you go …….

            “That’s why I am trying to encourage people to not argue about something we all know is a sin”

            the problem man has is not knowing it is sin …. it is that they suppress that truth in unrighteousness …….. they deny it is even a sin …… so to bring that to the fore …… and present it to them ….. may cause many of them to run ….. but that is not our doing ….. they will be held responsible for that act either now or after death ….. but the kindest thing to do is not ignore it ….. and to point it out when it is pointed out to us ………..

            thnx my sister in Christ ………

          • yabruf

            “I feel Jesus’ message is a message of love and compassion that tells us to Love everyone..”

            I see what your problem is. You feel your way through this life according to what you think God should be like.
            You might want to try picking up a Bible and not skip over the fire and torment that await the wicked sinners.

            You have read the book of Revelation right? It’s not exactly the sweetness and light you want God to be.
            God is love as well as truth and justice.

            Nowhere in the Bible does it say to “love everyone”, that’s a lie and not Biblical.

            Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

            I would stay away from those “feelings” you use to view God and lose the 60’s love everyone mentality. You need to get grounded in his word which paints an accurate picture of who he really is.

          • Chris

            I see what your problem is. You think your ego is God. Thus anyone who disagrees with yabruf is disagreeing with God. Sorry to break it to you but, unless you’re a pantheist it simply ain’t so.

          • yabruf

            Huh? Ok I will correct your worldview as well.

            Your hangup is that you think you have a problem with me. But in actuality your issue is with God’s word. If I copy and paste a passage from the Bible and it ruffles your feathers just know, I wasn’t the author….lol

            Don’t shoot the messenger 🙂

          • Chris

            “Your hangup is that you think you have a problem with me. But in
            actuality your issue is with God’s word.”

            Huh? Ok I will correct your worldview as well. Your ego isn’t God and YOUR interpretation of a book isn’t God’s word and you aren’t a messenger of anything except what yabruf thinks.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I live my life according to what Jesus said He wanted for us. I follow Jesus very closely and regard the New Testament and Jesus’ time on earth as the most important books in the bible.

            Please do not call me a liar. Here is the scripture where Jesus told us to love everyone.

            Mark 12:30 – 31 are the 2 commandments that Jesus gave us.
            “30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
            heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
            strength: this is the first commandment.
            31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. ”

            Unless you don’t understand that neighbour isn’t the person next door you should know that neighbour is not directed just at the disciples but about and to all of us. Especially since we are all disciples.

            Otherwise it says to love one another because neighbour did not have the same meaning as it does now, I expect.

            I do want to please God and do things that would make Him happy of course! Don’t you want to? And I also follow Jesus’ word very closely.

            First of all. I am living in Christ not in the 60’s and I am a very well grounded person because of my life experiences.

            I do understand the scripture about what Jesus wanted for us. I’m a fairly intelligent person, I think. I just know Jesus as love because that is what the red word explains. I respect your way of looking at it, so please respect mine.

            God is responsible for every thing in the world, including people to help others learn His Word. His helpers use a variety of tactics I expect so mine is just another way to bring people to Jesus that He has His servants involved in.

            You don’t even know me, and you think you can “know me” well enough to tell me I’m looking at God’s Word incorrectly according to you. When Jesus spoke to the multitudes do you think he told them about sin in a way that was supposed to make the people feel bad about themselves?

            You interpret the scriptures you way and I will mine.

            As long as the intent is to turn people towards Jesus, it should not be about the How but the fact that we do.

          • Amos Moses

            “The plain truth is that a right knowledge of sin lies at the root of all saving Christianity. Without it, such doctrines as justification, conversion, sanctification, are `words and names’ which convey no meaning to the mind. The first thing, therefore, that God does when He makes anyone a new creature in Christ, is to send light into his heart and show him that he is a guilty sinner. The material creation in Genesis began with `light,’ and so also does the spiritual creation. God shines into our hearts by the work of the Holy Spirit, and then spiritual life begins . . . . I believe that one of the chief wants of the church . . . has been, and is, clearer, fuller teaching about sin.” – J.C.Ryle

          • Croquet_Player

            I don’t know why my comment was removed. My point is that the comments section is open to the general public.

          • Amos Moses

            yes ….. but it is a christian website and a christian forum for christians to discuss things relevant to christians ……. from a christian perspective ………… and while anyone is welcome ….. the general idea is that it is about christianity ……..

          • Robert

            That’s just referring to your family line not others.

          • Chris

            Others?

          • yabruf

            Let me guess you think your a hairless ape huh?

            Well if you were speaking to a fellow believer of the religion of evolution than your statement would make sense. But since I’m a Christian your animal label doesn’t apply within the context of this conversation.

          • Chris

            “Let me guess you think your a hairless ape huh?”

            Well no I still have plenty of hair. If you’re asking if humans are biologically classified as primates then yes they are. Do you still think you’re dirt?

            “Well if you were speaking to a fellow believer of the religion of evolution …”

            Oh good grief you’re not one of Ken Ham and/or Ray Comfort’s mob? Have you really been conned to that extent? Biology is a science and evolution is a theory in biology.

            I suggest you go to a biological science site and look up both.

            “…than your statement would make sense.”

            Actually my statement makes sense to anyone who hasn’t been conned by Ham, Comfort, et al.

            “But since I’m a Christian…”

            No you’re not. You’ve never shown the slightest interest in practising this religion you claim to believe.

            “…your animal label doesn’t apply within the context of this conversation.”

            It’s a biological classification actually. I’m sorry that you can’t bring yourself to accept reality but reality doesn’t change merely because you refuse to accept it.

          • yabruf

            “Do you still think you’re dirt?”

            Yep not much more then that with the spirit of God breathed into me.

            Do you still think you’re a rock? And oh yeah what flavor of evolution do you ascribe to: Traditional Darwinian evolution, Punctuated equilibrium or Gradually stacked beneficial mutations? Or has your religion since added more denominations since my college days?….lol

            “I suggest you go to a biological science site and look up both”

            Again since I am not a part of your monkey man religion there is no need to try and convert me with examples of your “science falsely
            so called”.

            “More like a Pharisee”

            Yeah I’m no priest and I don’t hold a position on the Sanhedrin.
            You might want to pick a word that you can understand next time to save face…..lol

            “It’s a biological classification actually”

            Ah I see you won’t take no for an answer. You are quite zealous for your monkey man religion. Good for you! I have had my fill of the fairy tale of evolution in college…lol

          • Chris

            Yep not much more then that [i.e. dirt] with the spirit of God breathed into me.”

            And the mere fact that you have little to no similarities to dirt doesn’t bother you even slightly? Oh well, it must be true. Teach a man he’s dirt and he’ll behave like dirt. 🙂

            “Do you still think you’re a rock?”

            Well no. That was just a lie Kent Hovind made up to make fun of evolution for the people’s he’s conned. Thank you for letting me know which brand of creationist you are.

            “And oh yeah what flavor of evolution do you ascribe to: Traditional Darwinian evolution, Punctuated equilibrium or Gradually stacked beneficial mutations? Or has your religion since added more denominations since my college days?….lol”

            Still laughing at reality I see. Isn’t reality silly?

            “I suggest you go to a biological science site and look up both”

            “Again since I am not a part of your monkey man religion there is no need to
            try and convert me with examples of your “science falsely so called”.”

            Actually the word your translation is using was referring to Gnosticism. But then fundies never cared for the historical context do they?

            “More like a Pharisee”

            “Yeah I’m no priest”

            Neither were the Pharisees.

            “and I don’t hold a position on the Sanhedrin.”

            No just in your own mind.

            “You might want to pick a word that you can understand next time to save face…..lol”

            Says the man who thinks creationist propaganda is the truth and confuses science with religion. The rest is you disparaging reality. Well if you want to mock yourself go ahead. Don’t let me stop you.

          • Chris

            Oh and while you snigger to yourself about evolution ask yourself this. If creationism is so true why is it that creationist organisations rely on gifts and donations to keep themselves afloat? It would seem that creationism produces NOTHING at all, except suckers of course.

          • yabruf

            Awe come-on that’s an easy one! You loony lefties would scream separation of church and state if any of our tax dollars were allocated
            to creationism.

            Stop throwing softballs; I enjoy debating adherents of the monkey man religion. Especially when I get to throw your Sci-Fi nonsense back
            in your face…..good times!

          • Chris

            “You loony lefties would scream separation of church and state if any of our tax dollars were allocated to creationism.”

            What the hell has separation of church and state got to do with creationism actually producing anything except suckers? What discovery is based upon creationism?

            Secondly I’m not a lefty or a righty. I’m a pragmatist.

            Debating. Is that what you’re doing? Here I thought you were just giving your best impression of a deluded creationist sucker.

          • Chris

            According to Kent Hovind, Ken Ham and Ray Comfort there is this gigantic world wide conspiracy made up of Christians, Jews, atheists, etc to suppress the truth. That, according to Hovind, is why scientists reject creationism. But as I’ve already shown, scientists reject creationism because it’s completely useless.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Your personal incredulity is not a citation.

        • William of Glynn

          So now we’re at 1.8%? We must be dropping like flies.

      • Robert

        Because Sin can be evil lusts to. A person still sins even if they don’t act on Lusts

        • Sharon_at_home

          So you are saying that even though you don’t act on the attraction, you can still be sinning by dwelling on the ideas?

          • Robert

            The wanting to do a sin is sin. Also what I’m saying. If a homosexual person accuses me of a sin of stealing and there motives are out of fear for me a caring motive. . and my motives of accusing them of the sin of homosexuality is not out of concern for them but out of superiority or malice hated. The one with the log in there eye would be me. And they would be the one with the stick.

    • Croquet_Player

      In October of 2008 a field representative for the College Republican National Committee named Ashley Todd claimed she was robbed at knifepoint at an ATM by a “six-foot-four African-American”, who carved a “B” on her cheek for Barack Obama. Except the “B” was reversed, because she did it herself in a mirror, and surveillance footage showed no attack. She later confessed to inventing the story. There were a few people who claimed to be in the World Trade Center when it collapsed. It was later found they were not. The desire to deceive for sympathy, attention, or political advantage is not limited to any group. I suspect it’s some kind of psychological disorder.

      • Oboehner

        Not a big leap from one psychological disorder to another.

        • Croquet_Player

          I don’t think being a republican is a psychological disorder.

          • Oboehner

            Problem is you don’t think.

      • Amos Moses

        Munchhausen or Munchhausen by proxy ………..

        Munchausen syndrome is a psychiatric factitious disorder wherein those affected feign disease, illness, or psychological trauma to draw attention, sympathy, or reassurance to themselves. Munchausen syndrome fits within the subclass of factitious disorder with predominantly physical signs and symptoms, but patients also have a history of recurrent hospitalization, travelling, and dramatic, extremely improbable tales of their past experiences.

        • Sharon_at_home

          “patients also have a history of recurrent hospitalization, travelling,
          and dramatic, extremely improbable tales of their past experiences.”
          They are like this because it makes case for the lie of illness – this happened so my child must be ill, right? most often I have seen it portrayed in mothers of children who are/were ill that got a lot of attention, and after it was over, the mother often makes the child ill again so the attention is back.

      • yabruf

        Rom 1:29 starts off with “Being filled with all”, after that comes the list of attributes that are present in a sodomite. It doesn’t say some, it says all.
        You are correct, it is psychological aka spiritual disorder.
        Romans 1:28 states that they have been given over to a reprobate mind.
        Webster’s dictionary defines reprobate as: foreordained to damnation or morally corrupt.
        The sodomites, being reprobate, are some of the most wicked people on earth.

        • Chris

          Webster’s dictionary defines reprobate as: foreordained to damnation or morally corrupt.
          The ego worshippers and fanatics, being reprobate, are some of the most wicked people on earth.

        • Croquet_Player

          So I’ve heard. I don’t find it supported by evidence.

  • Amos Moses

    “Homosexual Organist”

    but i repeat myself ………..

    • Oboehner

      LOL

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      So releaved to know that this news wasn’t about organ-harvesting. Non-christian world is horrible.

  • james blue

    So did he do it because he’s a Christian or because he’s gay?

    • michael louwe

      He did it because he’s a lawless gay.(LEVITICUS.18:22-23, ROMANS.1:18-26)

      • Chris

        As opposed to being a lawful gay (reality).

        • Amos Moses

          oxymoron …. contradiction in terms ……….

          • Peter Leh

            in our bible? yes.

            US constitution? no

            thank god for a country that separates the two, right amos? Otherwise we might reject the rights of those who don’t believe like us….

            wait.

          • Amos Moses

            God separates us …… not the constitution ……….. Gods law is law over all ……. one cannot be a homosexual and be “law abiding” ……… it is contradiction in terms ……… to be a homosexual is to be in rebellion to the law ………….. therefore NOT “law abiding” ………..

    • So on the topic of “these people”, the Bible offers “Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,…” (Romans 1:30) I’d say that “inventors of evil things” applies in this case.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA needs Biblical Christianity to be honest and gallant again, not the Episcopal apostate social clubs. Sexually immoral people lie and betray without a problem. The Biblical virtues and the purity-before-marriage have everything to do with honesty, transparency, loyalty, true love and endurance.

  • William of Glynn

    Here in Glynn County, Georgia, rabidly anti-gay heterosexual Christian pastor Kenneth Adkins will likely spend the rest of his life in jail. It took the jury only two hours to find him guilty of eight counts of child molestation.

    • Amos Moses

      so not a christian and not a heterosexual either ….. but a very big liar …. and a wolf in sheeps clothing ………..

      • William of Glynn

        Perhaps not a good Christian, but a Christian nonetheless.

        He molested a minor female and a minor male.

        • Amos Moses

          nope …. not a christian at all ……… a WOLf …….. you know ….. like you …………

          • William of Glynn

            Are you of the opinion that “true” Christians do not sin?

          • Amos Moses

            i am of the biblical opinion that many pretend to be christians to commit acts that have nothing to do with christianity ………. they are ravening wolves in sheeps clothing …. false teachers …. they prey upon the sheep …..

          • William of Glynn

            Gibberish. Adkins was a Christian pastor, now a Christian inmate.

          • Amos Moses

            he is a wolf ….. as you are ….. you should be embracing your fellow traveler …………

          • William of Glynn

            He’s your brother in Christ. You embrace him.

          • Amos Moses

            so you disown your fellow traveler ……. hmmmmm ….. nope ….. my brothers do not prey on the innocent ……. but you do consistently ……..

          • William of Glynn

            You shouldn’t turn away from your brother in Christ.

          • Amos Moses

            you should embrace your fellow ravening wolf ………..

          • Amos Moses

            5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
            5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
            5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
            5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
            5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
            5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
            5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
            5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
            5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

  • SFBruce

    Stang’s behavior was indefensible. That said, he’s one person, and to assume his mistake is somehow typical of all gay men is an even bigger mistake than Stang’s.

  • Robert

    He’s not a gay homosexual now .He got caught. That must be the good he was talking about. Him going to Jail soon.
    .

    • William of Glynn

      What’s a gay homosexual?

  • Peter Leh

    SO what is the deal with homosexuals staging their our discrimination and claiming martyrdom?

    oh.. I guess they was people just like the rest of us. 🙂

    • V-Ball

      They are nothing like normal people. The CDC has lots of data to prove it.

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    This man needs prayer and conversion, not condemnation. His angel sees the face of God (cf. Matthew 18:10) just like the rest of us.

  • Malleus

    A dying Episcopal congregation, with a Sunday attendance of less than 50.
    Do these goofballs and liars think that this kind of SJW nonsense will fill up their empty pews?

    Or are they – just maybe – angry that their godless church is dying?

  • Vince

    The mere fact that a supposedly CHRISTIAN church even employs a homosexual tells us how far the churches have sunk.

  • Malleus

    That is not the face of someone who could be trusted with children. Do liberal churches even do background checks on their employees?

  • Dianne

    Liars are always entrapped in their own cleverness. Everything done in secret will be made known.