Nicaraguan Minister Sentenced to 30 Years in Prison Over Woman’s Death From Fiery Exorcism

MANAGUA — A young Nicaraguan minister and four of his members have been sentenced to 30 years in prison after a woman died following an exorcism attempt that resulted in burns on more than 80 percent of her body.

“The suffering that Trujillo was subjected to is something no human being should go through,” said Judge Alfredo Silva Chamorro on Tuesday.

As previously reported, Juan Gregorio Rocha Romero, 23, claims that Vilma Trujillo Garcia, 25, threw herself in the fire during the February exorcism, but the woman’s husband asserts that it was Romero and others who stripped her naked and rolled her over into the flames.

“God told her He was going to remove that bad spirit from her, and asked us to start a fire because that’s where the spirit was going to be expelled,” Romero told reporters. “We were praying when we looked at her and saw she was on fire.”

Eneyda del Socorro Orozco Tellez, who was a part of the exorcism, made similar remarks.

“[God] told me to make a bonfire in the church patio, and said we should take Vilma and tie [her] up next to the flames and pray so that the devil left her sick body and threw itself on the fire,” he said.

However, Franklin Jarquin Hernandez contended that instead of the demon expelling itself into the fire, the evil spirit rather pushed Garcia into the blaze.

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“She had her life companion and committed an error with another man, and she was claiming to be a Christian and fasting, and I’m sure God punished her in that way and she became possessed by the devil,” he told the outlet La Prensa. “It was a bad spirit that pushed her and she fell on the fire.”

According to the Associated Press, some members had also thought that Garcia was possessed as she had allegedly attempted to attack people with a machete. But her husband says that there was no demon and instead “what they did to her was witchcraft.” He also believes his wife had not committed adultery but was rather raped.

“I went to confront the man I was told was responsible, but had to leave him alone because he was carrying a rifle,” he said.

Members of Romero’s congregation reportedly kept Garcia in the church building for over a week in seeking to cast demons out of her. Then, they said God told them to build a fire and the evil spirit would throw itself into it.

Garcia’s sister found her burned body in a ravine following the incident, and while she was taken to the hospital for medical care, she died days later.

Last Tuesday, Romero and three members—which include two of his brothers—were found guilty of murder by a five-member jury. Three of the men were also declared culpable of illegal detention, but as the maximum sentence is 30 years, additional time could not be added for the crime.

Garcia’s family members claimed during the trial that the woman had been beaten and deprived of food and water during the week-long ordeal.

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  • BuckeyePhysicist

    For a proper exorcism please call a Catholic priest. Spiritual warfare should not be left to amateurs.

    • Coach

      Catholic priest serve a false christ. The just live by faith in the only Mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus.

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        That’s mean, not to mention wildly inaccurate.

        • Coach

          Anyone who trusts in their works, offers prayers to Mary, submits to the pope as the head of the church, and submits to a religion that anathemarizes real Christians is worshiping a false messiah.

          1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            You’re getting bad information, Coach! The Catholic Church isn’t works-based: We’re grace based! No one prays to the Blessed Mother: She prays for us.

          • Coach

            I’m sorry, where does it say in the Bible that Mary prays for you? Please explain how your grace works.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Firstly, we all agree on 1 Timothy 2:5 where Jesus is the only mediator? I hope so…

            …and we need to define mediation. Mediation is a TWO way function which only Jesus can do. The Father answers prayer through His Son. When you pray, I pray, or any saint around God’s Throne prays, we call this intercession. Intercession is a ONE way function.

            Only God can answer prayer through Jesus’ mediation but intercession can be done by anyone. The saints cannot answer prayer but they can pray. For Bible references, read Psalm 103, Psalm 148, Isaiah 6:3, Matthew 18:10, James 5:16, Revelation 4:1-8, and Revelation 8:3-4.

            Grace means salvation is 100% on Jesus and 0% on us. Faith and works are external evidence of Christ’s grace working within us.

            Please forgive my delayed response; I am an actual physicist and I was in the lab most of the day where personal ADP devices are not permitted.

          • Coach

            I disagree with intercession being one way in the fact that the Holy Spirit is needed to pray to God. As

          • Robert

            they say the rosery using its beads its easy to google.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            I say the Rosary a lot myself.

    • Sharon_at_home

      Really? Catholics do exorcisms? Sorry, I had never heard of that.

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        You’re serious?

      • TheLastHonestLawyer

        You have to be kidding.

        • Sharon_at_home

          No I’m not. I’ve never been interested in exorcisms and had never heard anyone mention it. Also Catholic was like a bad word in our house for years because of the schools / churches my husband went to as a child. Unless I asked him a direct question, I would never hear it from him. So no, I truly didn’t know.
          BTW I try hard to never lie, so you can take my posts that way. 😀

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Really,Sharon? You’ve never seen the movie “The Exorcist”? How old are you?

    • Robert

      The ones that are successful follow the bibles instructions on exorcism . including faith in Christ alone and not some faith in their own works and some faith in Christ works. . no its complete faith in Christ alone.

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        Robert? Faith is good — but faith alone is a Luther invention.

        • Gena B

          We are saved by faith alone by the mercy of God and Christ. There is nothing I do that will ever save me (Paul had this same argument with the Jews), only through the one mediator, Christ can I ever know salvation. If it’s my works that save me, how good would I have to be in order for God to receive me? If a person is saved through Christ, then daily we walk in His ways and the fruit of our works are evident only because of our salvation through Christ alone. Then we know we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            No one is talking about works being able to save. They can’t.

    • Gena B

      As a protestant I disagree greatly with many things the Catholic church teaches. However, when it comes to understanding demonic possession and knowledge in proper way to conduct investigations first and exorcisms, no one does it better than the Catholic church. I have great respect for exorcists, it’s a thankless job.

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        Yes it is. Ever read anything by Fr. Gabriele Amorth?

  • kenster777

    No need for a Priest, Jesus has given all true believers the power and Authority over satan in his name.
    We have a High Priest in Christ Jesus Hebrews 9:11.

    • Robert

      Hebrews 9:11 screams don’t believe that just some ” special superior and super Christians ” have a in with God with whom he talks to… No do not believe that or your ripe fodder for another Jones town. !! we now have. All. The bible. There is no reason for God to do that now that we have all the bible ! But there is plenty of reasons you being one of them for Satan to pretend he is a angel of light. Just because he fools some preacher into thinking god is talking to them
      does not mean you have to be fooled to.

      • kenster777

        No a person who is of a humble and contrite spirit does God Hear Isaiah 66:2
        Nothing special or superior, just those that have have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
        Read Mark 16:15-18, the word also says God has set Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, in the Church for the perfecting of the saints. I Corinthians 12:28.
        Stop believing we don’t need the Holy Spirit and Faith today, because we need it as much today as they did then.
        Try the Spirits to see if they are from God.
        If it lines up to the word then you better take heed.

  • TheLastHonestLawyer

    It is 2017, and people are still dying because of a belief in evil spirits. Sickening.

    • Coach

      No, this woman died because her murderers were doing the work of Satan under a false guise of Christianity.
      These people weren’t Christians, true Christians know God speaks through His Word by the power of the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of God never contradicts the Word of God.

      • TheLastHonestLawyer

        Go look up the No True Scotsman fallacy.

        From the story:

        “[God] told me to make a bonfire in the church patio, and said we should take Vilma and tie [her] up next to the flames and pray so that the devil left her sick body and threw itself on the fire,” he said.

        Seems to me these people were listening to the Word of God, or so they claim. Why do you doubt them?

        • Coach

          Because anyone can claim God told them something, Muhammad(islam founder)Joseph Smith(mormonism founder, Sarah Young (author of Jesus Calling), and many others make the same claim. Those born of the Spirit of God follow His Word as revealed in the Bible.

          What they were doing is the same ideology as shaking a magic 8 ball, only worse, they used it as an excuse to murder this woman.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            OK, you almost have it . . . if Muhammad, Joseph Smith, et al, can all claim that God is telling them something, why couldn’t the authors of the New Testament do the exact same thing.

            What is your hard evidence that Muhammad was lying and Paul wasn’t.

          • Coach

            Explain to me hard evidence. What exactly are you asking for?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Testable, repeatable experiments with a clear methodology that show the existence of spirits. Experiments that can be reproduced anywhere in the world and show similar results. Results that can be subject to review by scientists who can examine the methods and results independently.

          • MCrow

            Alternatively, testable, repeatable evidence that the claims of the Bible are accurate. Be specific: no “it happens all the time!” It must be specific instances not explainable otherwise.

          • Sharon_at_home

            How about the people who receive the Holy Spirit in Apostolic or Baptist Churches. The speak languages unknown to the person when they are ‘in the spirit’. You can see it happening in UTube videos sometimes… I expect.
            Just curious about your view.

          • MCrow

            Speaking in tongues is testable, but I’ve yet to see someone actually test it. It would be simple: have people write or communicate to an impartial third party what they said or heard to verify. I’ve not seen anyone do so.

            The repeatable part is another aspect that is possible, but I don’t see happen. Usually a response of “do not put God to the test.” Ok, fair enough, but think for a moment how little sense that makes. You could bear witness to huge masses! You could reinforce the beliefs of those who doubt! Instead, we get the same answers as charletans and psychics.

            YouTube isn’t exactly reliable. Even 10 years ago, video editing was available. It could be staged. There’s no ability to question. Which, really, is my view: if something can’t deal with questioning and doubt, it’s probably not the truth

          • Sharon_at_home

            Then go to the churches yourself. I have seen people speak in tongue and afterwards they are quite different – calmer, more knowledgeable things like that. It even changed teenagers attitudes from one day getting the Holy Spirit to the next. they always obeyed their parents: they go immediately to their rooms after school to do their homework, they offer to do chores . That’s something working inside these people + I believe it is the Holy Spirit.
            I know for a fact that our church has never ‘staged’ something that happens naturally because it’s from God /is God. There are lots of people in my church that have it, and lots that don’t. I would think that is usually how Apostolic Churches are. I’m still learning God’s Word, but I am praying for it myself. I know that when God says it’s time, He will gift me with the Holy Spirit too. I’ve seen it happen, these are people I trust, and I believe in getting the Holy Spirit.
            I expect others have the same thing going on, although my Pastor has been going through the area helping other Churches with their ideas. If you go to a couple of services, if it doesn’t happen at the first one to someone in the church – whether they are getting the Holy Spirit, or already have it they move and talk what the spirit wants them to say. That part is actually amazing. You can tell they aren’t speaking for themselves.

          • MCrow

            Why do you assume I have not? I was raised Christian. I visited many apostolic and charismatic churches. I noticed when I became skeptical of speaking in tongues, any warmth in the room faded. It got rebounded on me as me not having enough faith. The sad thing is, I was an earnest believer, but I was always told I wasn’t good enough to be part of the community.

            As to the rest, I don’t doubt that children change. Children do that. As a teacher, I see many students go from obnoxious brats to earnest young adults. That doesn’t require God, just good child rearing. I also can’t help but notice you haven’t experienced this yourself, but you’re sure people are being truthful. I’m sure there is no shortage of people who believe, and some may even be sincere. But con men regularly get people to hand over their property through well placed lies and acting. People believe in them. I’m not saying your church is, I’m just pointing out that its not reliable

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’ve got some personal experience with it, I just haven’t received it yet, but I have felt the Holy Spirit touch me and I saw the way my body reacted to His touch. You do not know what you are talking about.
            I mentioned them because it didn’t sound like you had thought of the Apostolic Church.
            I can’t imagine a man that I respect and (so do a lot of others) as much as I respect my Pastor (who was a friend first) could look straight into my eyes and lie? I know what to look for when people lie for one thing, and for another, I believe in the Holy Spirit, and if you don’t well, that’s up to you.
            You are such a cynic! I doubt you’d believe me if i told you I did have it!
            I’ve known the people of the church for 8 years and my Pastor as a friend for at least 2 years before that. I think if they were lying I’d have worked it out by now, as would my husband.
            I’m on disability and my Pastor told me I didn’t have to pay tithes because God knows my situation. Does that sound like a greedy con man?
            Why can’t you just take my word for it? because you are set against it.
            I pray sir that the Lord God my Father will help you see what you are blind to and realize how much different your life would be. God Bless!

          • MCrow

            With regard to me not knowing, youre right. I don’t know what that feels like. If it grants you comfort, so be it, but telling me you had a feeling about something isn’t evidence.

            I take the title of cynic as something of a complement. It is something others value me for since I point out potential problems.

            With regard to church leaders, if I’m overly cynical, it’s because church leaders have taught me to be. My pastor in my church as a teenager cheated on his wife with a student. He left his wife and two sons. Later, a pastor I knew kicked his teenage son out of his house because he was gay. Still others I know were narcissists who cared more about their status than their flock.

            I accept that you believe the things you say. You’ll note I specifically said that your church isn’t necessarily filled with con artists, I was using it as an example of how people can fool themselves into thinking something is true when it isn’t. I am open to changing my mind if you have evidence, but again, testable and repeatable is important to me

          • kenster777

            Just to interject here To receive the Holy Spirit you must Look to what Jesus says in Luke 11:9-14.
            Ask and it shall be given you seek and you shall find, how much more shall the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him.
            It takes Faith and I believe the desire to get on the cross Matthew 16:34.
            Jesus told his disciples to wait and tarry to they have been endued from on high.
            I usually don’t usually recommend to many books but Smith Wigglesworth book on the Holy Spirit is good edifying reading.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Yes that’s what we believe as well. It is belief of Jesus and of His Salvation. That The Son of God exists, and He is our way to being redeemed from our sins because He died on the cross to pay a ransom for our sins so we could be reconciled with God. I also believe that you can ask for anything and it will be given IF you believe it will be, and the Holy Spirit is worked by the same principle.

            Thanks for the book suggestion. I’ve written it down to see if I can get it to read. I appreciate it! God bless!

          • kenster777

            Most christian book stores will have it.
            But as with anything always make sure everything lines up with the word.
            Continue in the Faith in these last days.

          • electedbyHim

            Charismatic Chaos, John F. MacArthur is a better read the aligns to the Bible.

          • kenster777

            The research I have seen of these works says the author does not believe in the gifts of the spirit being for today.

            Which contradicts that Jesus is the same Yesterday, today and Forever.

            The gifts are needed as much today being the last days as they were when the Apostles used them.

            Being a Zoroastrian your advise on Christian teachings would unlikely line up with his word. because that is a different spirit.
            I am also in your defense it sounds like you had a bad experience but that does not mean these things are not true.

          • Robert

            St Paul the only thing he cared about knowing was that Jesus was crucified for him. He majored in the major thing your church majors in minors. So its more than doubtful the Holy Spirit would go along with such majoring in such minor unimportant things. When the deciples also said that Most verse But we preach Christ crucified a stumbling block to the Jews. Mean while your church preach’s tongues and healings and they can’t prove either is true of their works.And Paul warned us in scriptiures about church’s !ike yours in the verses proceeding the love chapter.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Your attitude is very arrogant, and we were told that that is a sin.

            You obviously think that Jesus came only to die for our sins, and not to spread his Love. HE is the one to say to love everyone. HE is the one that said to treat others the way you want to be treated. HE is the one that said Love covers a multitude of sin.

            I’m sorry but just because you don’t agree with our methods does not make you our Lord. Jesus does not think everyone is going to need the same method of salvation. He knows each one of us inside and out. Not everyone – heck I don’t believe anyone – would turn to Jesus because someone hatefully said that they were going to hell for their sins. People do not want to be treated with hate, and Jesus knows that.

            Did you ever even consider that God is the one that directed our Church to be the way it is? He does that you know. He knows what is going on in this world and that there is already too much hate. Why wouldn’t he give us the ability to show His love instead?

            Just because you don’t believe we have people speaking in Tongues doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I did not mention healing at all, because it has not been done in our church. I personally have experienced healing by God and I know others who have too, including someone with Lung Cancer that disappeared after less than a year. Are you saying God does not heal people who are his children? You are so wrong, and I feel badly that you don’t believe in the Lord strongly enough to believe in that.

            “So its more than doubtful the Holy Spirit would go along with such majoring in such minor unimportant things.” So now you make decisions for God? Jesus was all about love and that is what we base it on. So you are saying Jesus did not talk about Love more than anything else. That his commandments don’t exist maybe because they are about love and treating others well. Yes he wants repentance, but he also knows that when they learn about Salvation and His love, that they will want to repent and He wants us to be willing to turn to him.

            “Mean while your church preach’s tongues and healings and they can’t prove either is true of their works.” Our church does not preach “tongues and healings” They preach God’s Word. They preach about repentance. They preach about how Jesus loved us all, and only want the best for us and that the offer of Salvation was about His love for us. Because that is what it is about. He loves us and He wants us to be the people He wanted His creation to be. He wants to us to want Salvation so much that we will repent by their own free will. Everything about Salvation is from his love, including the repentance of sin.

            I think your church is wrong to focus ONLY on the sins, and not about the fact that Jesus wants us to love each other and be good to each other. Jesus talked about His love for us way more than about how he ‘hates’ sin. Any time He spoke to the multitudes, did he speak about their sins, no he spoke of them about the way to behave with love. He wants us to repent but he knows that we have free will (because He gave it to us) and that we need to want to repent or it won’t be done in honesty.

            If you don’t spread the message of Love that Jesus wanted us to spread, then your church is not following Jesus’s directions at all.

            I don’t think the Lord wanted us to be condemning of the religions that are different than yours either. We as Christians are supposed to be together working to have all come to repentance and to Salvation. Not criticize a church that does follow Jesus’ ways, because yours doesn’t .

            You have your beliefs, and that’s fine with me even though I don’t agree with them. My church believes if it isn’t in the bible it is not truth. We Only go by what is in the scripture. So therefore we are doing God’s will and you are saying things against how the Lord told us how to be in the Gospel …. in the scriptures.

            I’d appreciate Chapter book and verse(s) to understand your “major” and “minor” since you never explained why you are teaching the Major while mine is teaching the minor. It would show you know what you are meaning so I could really answer your post. Saying “major” and “minor’ does not give any information at all without the scriptures to back it up.

            I’d also like you to point out where it says Jesus told us to show hate to people in any way. Telling people, the way a lot of Christians do, is not showing love but hate for the sin, it is showing hate of the person for their sin. The method needs to be changed if you want to show love to people and hate for their sin, because it does not sound like love to threaten them with Hell for their sin. That’s not about the sin, it’s about telling people they are the worse kind of person because of their sin. You don’t focus just on the sin, you focus on how the people are going to hell. That says nothing about love. Nothing. You have to tell people you love them and then tell them that Jesus wants them to repent for their sins and offer them salvation, not show them hate and expect them to ‘believe’ that it is done with love. People are not stupid and wont’ see the love if your behaviour does not show it.

            So please give me the scriptures that you mentioned in your post. I’d like to review them and if necessary talk to my Pastor about them for more understanding. Besides, using the words you have gives no indication about what you are really talking about. What is it that you feel is Major, while speaking and reflecting who Jesus was while he was on earth, is minor.

            And by the way, you shouldn’t criticize any Church that does God’s will, not matter how you yourself views it. You don’t know what God decided about our Church, but I guarantee that He wouldn’t want us to change the way we teach about Jesus’ love. Whether you agree or not, we prefer to listen to God, not to man.

            Thank you + have a nice day.

          • electedbyHim

            If you are truly saved you already have the Holy Spirit, there is nothing more you need. You are complete in Christ. The charismatics and Pentecostals teach lies. I have been to many churches that practice what your church does. I will tell you it is a very evil thing going on, the repetitious music that influences this behavior, the chants, it is pure evil, these so called esoteric experiences.

            These people will make you feel beneath them like they are more spiritual than you. They keep telling you that you need to be filled with the spirit, and when its gone you need to get filled again.

            Where is that found in Gods word?

          • Sharon_at_home

            Funny, I have no idea what you are talking about and I’ve been a Pentecostal for 8 years. The people in my church has in no way acted like they are better than I am. Actually, my husband and I are the only 2 Caucasians in the church and I’ve had more visitors avoid shaking my hand that what the people have been like to us since we’ve been there. They show us love just as much as the others.

            You want to know where it is in the bible that sets apart one Holy Ghost with another? Is that what you are asking?

            I am friends with my Pastor from before I was asked to come for a visit. I meant it as a one time visit. I felt like I heard someone say “You are home now” and I never looked back on it. I have been tarrying for the Holy Spirit of Fire and wind. That is the 2nd baptism that the apostles and the disciples received on Pentecostal in the loft. It is the Holy Ghost that will “guarantee” your salvation. I understand it from the scriptures, but I’m not confident in what it is about. That is what we believe though.

            If you are connected to God with the 2 baptisms, you will speak in tongues when you receive the Holy Spirit of fire and a gift of a power to use to bring people to God. This is what I have been taught and the way you describe Pentecostals, maybe you should have contacted some before you went. Most of our churches are black congregations. If you call in advance you can ask if you will feel welcome there. They won’t lie to you because they should know how they receive white/Hispanic etc. people of faith. If you tell me where you are I could find out where a ‘good’ Pentecostal church is that follows what we do, and would make sure you were welcome.

            Of course, that means that you should know some things about it that is not common in most churches. The majority of the service is about worshiping and praising our Lord; Our Pastor speaks for 35-45 min. but there is often another song.

            I understand that it does not happen in all Pentecostal Churches, but my Bishop – Elect Pastor, invites us in the pews to mingle and shake hands and meet who you don’t know, at least for visitors. Right now our church has around 100 people I think, so it is easier to get to know each other; we also start at 12 and Sunday school ends at 1 when the service starts.

            My Pastor is a well respected speaker, He’s also a well respected friend.
            Do you understand what you are saying about being all about spirituality?

            God is a Spirit. That’s is what He is. That is why He was and is able to do all things, and everything that happens has a reason because of it. How do you think you connect with a Spirit without your spirit speaking to Him/it. That is what you get when you believe in the baptism of fire. You will have the ability to connect with the Holy Spirit and speak to the Lord.

            That’s why you felt it was all spiritual. People are enjoying music that is from their culture, in our case everyone else is Jamaican. There are many cultures that black people have you know. The music also shows our worship and praise to Him because we all sing along. There is a projector that enables everyone to sing along if they want to. Some people don’t and that’s not frowned upon. If you sing badly, they still want you to sing. It’s about worshiping and praising the Lord in the Jamaican ‘way’. It’s actually been really cool because they have taught me so much about their culture at break and other talks. There is a lot that we both have sayings are just said differently. It’s like it is another whole world while we are there. I guess it is how people feel when they vacation in other places.

            Honestly if you think the people of the Pentecostal Faith are evil, you have been lied to. Your eyes have deceived you because you went with expectations and that makes it easier to have your expectations realized. Did someone else. who was not Pentecostal tell you what to expect? Since I must assume both of these. You saw it the way you wanted to see it. They dance in a Jamaican way, if you want to call it spiritual, they’d probably like that. As to people kneeling to pray at the altar who often end up lying down are tarrying and of course God’s Power is too strong for a human, so sometimes it knocks us off our feet.

            If you don’t believe in the Spirit you will not understand what is going on. Best bet is to talk to a long-standing member who will guide you to understanding the people and the faith they have.

            I just noticed another post from you so I will go to it now.

            God bless!

          • electedbyHim

            I am a white male and have experienced first hand an all black church, actually many of them. I will not argue that you are wrong. I am not here to do that. I will say that I was self-deceived into believing all that you have mentioned. Countless hours of study under the guidance of the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to His truth in scripture. On the 2 baptisms that you mention:

            The baptism of the Holy Spirit may be defined as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the body of Christ at the moment of salvation. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was predicted by John the Baptist (Mark 1:8)and by Jesus before He ascended to heaven: “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4); for the first time, people were permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and the church had begun.

            First Corinthians 12:12–13
            is the central passage in the Bible regarding the baptism of the Holy
            Spirit: “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether
            Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to
            drink” (1 Corinthians 12:13).
            Notice that we “all” have been baptized by the Spirit—all believers
            have received the baptism, synonymous with salvation, and it is not a
            special experience for only a few. While Romans 6:1–4
            does not mention specifically the Spirit of God, it does describe the
            believer’s position before God in language similar to the 1 Corinthians
            passage: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace
            may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any
            longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ
            Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him
            through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from
            the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”

            The following facts are necessary to help solidify our understanding of Spirit baptism: First, 1 Corinthians 12:13
            clearly states that all have been baptized, just as all been given the
            Spirit to drink (the indwelling of the Spirit). Second, nowhere in
            Scripture are believers told to be baptized with, in or by the Spirit,
            or in any sense to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This indicates
            that all believers have had this experience. Third, Ephesians 4:5
            seems to refer to Spirit baptism. If this is the case, Spirit baptism
            is the reality for every believer, just as “one faith” and “one Father”

            In conclusion, the baptism of the Holy Spirit does two things, 1) it
            joins us to the body of Christ, and 2) it actualizes our co-crucifixion
            with Christ. Being in His body means we are risen with Him to newness of
            life (Romans 6:4). We should then exercise our spiritual gifts to keep that body functioning properly as stated in the context of 1 Corinthians 12:13. Experiencing the one Spirit baptism serves as the basis for keeping the unity of the church, as in the context of Ephesians 4:5.

            Being associated with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection
            through Spirit baptism establishes the basis for our separation from the
            power of indwelling sin and our walk in newness of life (Romans 6:1-10;
            Colossians 2:12).

            As to speaking in tongues please Consider:

            1Co 14:10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning

            1Co14:12, 13 So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church. Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.

            1Co14:26 What is the outcome then,
            brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.


            ME,” says the Lord.

            I 1Co 14:22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe

            There are many other rules within 1 Corinthians 14 that I have not
            posted. This is one of many studies I have done on the various topics of the sign gifts. Yes I have copied and pasted my own notes.

            Be blessed

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            They are babbling. Nonsense syllables that they later claim to be Aramaic or Hebrew.

          • Sharon_at_home

            No one in our church tries to decipher the words that I know of. Look, I know you don’t believe, but this is something I see a lot on Sundays. I can guarantee it isn’t set up. It can’t be because of the way it happens.
            What they are doing is – with the Holy Spirit’s help – they are talking to God. The words are not necessarily easy to hear unless you are close to their face. They usually fall to the ground when it’s moving in them for the first time. I’ve heard of a rabbi who was visiting a Apostolic Church and was stunned when he heard someone say something in Hebrew, and asked about it to the Pastor. No one in the Church spoke Hebrew. Those who speak in tongue don’t know themselves what they said.
            Obviously a non-believer won’t believe this either, and you won’t take videos for proof, so you flat out won’t ever believe what I believe. That’s fine, I don’t care if you believe it or not because it makes no difference to my belief. I have had experiences you obviously have not. Just like I know Jesus exists even today. Why would I lie about that, when I’ve lived without lying throughout my life? I wouldn’t. I don’t like lies. It is how I’ve always been. I think it’s because I was the youngest of 5 and I was blamed on many things because they lied. It also taught me to look at both sides of a situation. God bless!

          • electedbyHim

            That is not from the Holy Spirit, that is from an evil spirit. The sign gifts have ceased. If they were still in operation today, they would need to follow the rules outlined in 1 Corinthians 14. Tongues of today have been dis-proven multiple times.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Well yes I remember hearing about those proofs.
            Then I saw it in person, multiple times, I’ve heard people speak in tongues regularly. I myself are reaching for the baptism of fire’s Holy Spirit.
            No, the last two commandments took every thing else that were commandments, Prophecies and laws away from the Gentiles and gave us only two to follow.
            Matthew 22:37-40

            37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
            38 This is the first and great commandment.
            39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

            Those are the last commandments Jesus/God gave us before He left earth. That is the way to salvation as well.
            If you are over 30 you might not have been taught the Golden rule. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Basically if you treat someone badly they are justified to treat you the same way, and show you how it feels so you won’t want to do it to anyone else. As the Christians who believe in Jesus’ commands we try not to do it in the first place, rather than having to learn the lesson.
            1 Corinthians is not saying speaking in tongues or the gifts are gone with him and will not be ours. He’s saying there are other gifts we can be given that he actually “wished there were more Prophecies, than speaking in tongue.
            I think I found the perfect scripture for you:

            37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him
            acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
            38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
            39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
            40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
            So He first gave the information about the various gifts that people can be given, to tell us that not all gifts are about speaking in tongue. Then later He added that it is for people that we speak in tongues, not because they need to be connected to God. The Gifts are ways of helping people that God puts either you in their way, or them in your way, so you can use your gift.

            I does not even inference that the powers are not for all His disciples. Everything in the bible is for our use in our lives. Even the things he said strictly to the Apostles that are in the bible are for us to follow too.

            You really should talk to a member/Pastor of a Pentecostal church who could talk to you. Even help you understand what is going on while you are there.

            I hope this helps you understand more clearly. You don’t have to think of spirituality as a scary thing. God loves all of us and would not hurt you in any way while you were on the earth. It’s up to you to choose Salvation or not. It takes free will to begin the journey.


          • electedbyHim

            Well yes I remember hearing about those proofs.
            Then I saw it in
            person, multiple times, I’ve heard people speak in tongues regularly. I
            myself are reaching for the baptism of fire’s Holy Spirit.

            So you saying experience and feeling outweigh scripture?

            hope this helps you understand more clearly. You don’t have to think of
            spirituality as a scary thing. God loves all of us and would not hurt
            you in any way while you were on the earth. It’s up to you to choose
            Salvation or not. It takes free will to begin the journey.

            I have no fear of anything but the Lord.
            I do not believe the Bible teaches in anyway “freewill” God chooses us, we do not choose Him. Its is in the OT and the NT. The only freewill man has is to sin.

            2Ti 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

            Grace and peace to you

          • Sharon_at_home

            “I do not believe the Bible teaches in anyway “freewill” ”
            I’m sorry you don’t believe it: here are some of the scriptures that might make it more obvious to recognize it.

            Deuteronomy 30:19
            I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE that both thou and thy seed may live:

            Joshua 24:15
            And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

            John 3:15-16
            15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
            16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
            BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

            Luke 9
            23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
            24 For whosoever will SAVE HIS LIFE shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life
            for my sake, the same shall save it.
            25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
            26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.
            27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

            God did give us the ability to use our free will to CHOOSE to follow Him, and the free will to BELIEVE in his salvation. Everything is up to us; He offers Salvation to the ones that believe in Him and trust Him to fulfill His promises. Those who choose not to believe will not be saved.

            “So you saying experience and feeling outweigh scripture?”

            No not at all. I’m saying that my experience and feeling is proof of the way God gives us the ability to speak in tongues. Whether you experience something like this it takes a very strong faith in God to get to the point of giving you the tongues you use to speak to Him through the Holy Spirit.

            I guess if you have never experienced it, you can’t imagine what it is like. Watching others will not give you the faith to believe in this, you must believe it yourself or it will not happen. Being skeptical is what prevents it from believing and therefore it prevents us from reaching for God’s Holy Spirit that way.

            Personally I can feel His touch and it makes me vibrate, and move according to His will, with no intent of my own. It makes me cold too. I guess I don’t believe enough to be given the baptism of fire, but He still touches me and gives me encouragement to continue to reach out for Him by letting me know He is with me and by the signs I believe are because of God. I am Blessed and Determined to be baptized by the Holy Spirit of the Lord, and know that I will receive it. I have no doubt about that.

            Take what I said any way you want to; I don’t care because I don’t need your approval, I only need to know that God approves and He does.

            I do appreciate the way you told me of your disagreements. They didn’t make me feel demeaned because you said things in a way that could not be taken as demeaning. I prefer discussion and exchanging information to give each a sense of understanding of both. It is easier to discuss things when you know someone elses point of view and it might take you away from your view of something, so you can change it.

            Philippians 2:12
            Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling.
            God blessings!

          • Coach

            The graveyard is plenty proof, you know that it’s impossible for you to dig up the graves in a graveyard and bring those people back to life because their spirits have left there bodies, but put a new engine in a car that’s been dead for a hundred years and its cruising down the highway.
            So you worship the scientific method and you submit yourself to scientists because they are all knowing? Name one thing that you know to be absolutely true.

            You are saying you refuse to believe God because He has not submitted Himself to you, when you’re the one who needs to submit to Him, you’re the one who’s nature is corrupt and if whom every intent is only wickedness continually. Jesus Christ is Lord of all, through Him the world was made and all that is in it, by Him is everything sustained, salvation is through Him and apart from repentance of your rebellion against God, and believing in Jesus Christ, the only thing left for you is God’s holy hatred and eternal wrath poured out for all eternity.

            There will be no laughing on judgement day, no patting yourself on the back for skills in defending your rejection of God. God is love, but God’s love is holy, He hates all that isn’t conformed to His goodness, you harden your heart to the gospel and there’s no hope for you, younicest deeds can’t save you, even they are tainted by your sinful heart, you need regeneration, for God in His mercy to open your eyes, I could give you all the proof in the world, but it wouldn’t make you worship God, your problem isn’t that you lack proof, it’s that you love sin and want every excuse not to part with it.

            You’re like a man digging himself into a hole, digging deeper in a search to prove he’s not in a hole, dig on, but I’ve been pulled out of that hole by the mercy of Jesus Christ when my hands were too weak to climb out.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            1. Cars are machines. Not living organisms. False analogy.

            2. One thing? I am currently sitting 14 miles from the Loma Prieta fault line.

            3. I do not worship science. I accept science as the best method to explain the world around us. No one says scientists are all knowing, least of all scientists. Every answer found opens up more questions.

            4. No, I don’t believe in any gods because there is no evidence to support their existence.

            5. My relatives would say “There is no God but God, and Mohammad is His Prophet.” Can you prove that you are right and that they are wrong? What happens when a Hindu and a Zoroastrian join the argument?

            6. Ah, the old “I have all this proof, but I’m not going to bother.” deflection.

          • Coach

            You reject proof that God exists, where does truth come from?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Define truth.

          • Coach

            What you obviously reject

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Do you ever tire of personal attacks?

          • Coach

            Truth is that which is absolutely certain. For instance, it is absolutely wrong to commit rape.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            OK, so how do you react to the Biblical laws on rape? Or the commands God gave the Israelites to massacre their neighbors while taking the young women as prizes?

            Talk to the Soviet soldiers who took Berlin in 1945, and they’d tell you that raping German women was a just retribution for the horrors inflicted on the USSR by German troops.

    • Sisyphus

      She was burned, and wood burns; witches are made of wood. The minister should have seen if she floats first, because wood floats.

      • Bezukhov

        Did they check to see if she weighed the same as a duck?

        • Sisyphus

          She turned me into a newt.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Well, I didn’t expect a Spanish Inquisition!

          • Sisyphus

            Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

          • Sharon_at_home

            A newt, you say?

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      You mean like in Muslim exorcisms? Happens all the time.

      • TheLastHonestLawyer

        Yes, which is why I said “It is 2017, and people are still dying because of a belief in evil spirits. Sickening.”

        People, with no specific religion mentioned, because all of them have factions thaqt blame evil spirits for things like mental illness.

        But hey, keep being blinded by your hatred of Islam, and ignore the story about Christians killing a young woman in favor of bashing strawmen.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          There really are people who can cast out evil spirits, but the Bible distinguishes between that and lunacy (mental illness). This guy clearly was deceived because he didn’t follow anything out of the Bible on the topic nor did he have discernment or the power of God.

          I will continue to call out any and all false religions and anything that causes death, whether it be Islam or whether it be fake exorcisms.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Except, of course, for the complete lack of evidence for the existence of spirits, evil of otherwise.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Everything has a spirit. How can you not know that you have one?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Remember that I’m a stroke survivor. When a blood clot lodged in my left parietal lobe a couple of years ago, it did a great deal of physical damage to my brain.

            Which changed me. My short-term memory, for example, is shot. My monitor is covered with post-its reminding me of daily tasks, and I have multiple alarms set on my phone to remind me to take medications, eat, even telling me when to expect my wife and kids to come home, because I can’t remember their schedules.

            I’m also no longer allowed to deal with financial matters as my understanding of money is gone. I ask permission for any purchase, no matter how small, because I don’t grasp the basic concepts of savings and spending.

            My personality was also affected. I’m a bit quicker to anger these days. I developed a strong dislike of being touched. All because of physical damage to my brain.

            There is no independent spirit, just the software running on our brains. It’s well known that physical changes to the brain through damage or chemical imbalances can cause drastic changes in behavior. Look up Phineas Gage for one of the earliest documented cases of physical damage causing a complete change in personality.

            If there was some independent spirit, how could changing the brain affect it?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Your personality isn’t your spirit. As you’ve mentioned, personalities can be affected by all sorts of things.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            OK, show me peer-reviewed evidence for the existence of spirits.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What do you think a spirit is?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Depends on the usage. Spirit can refer to positive morale, high energy, and the like.

            In the context of the story we’re commenting on, it refers to invisible, intangible beings that exist only in people’s minds as an excuse for their failings.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Well, no, you’ve tried to define something by using your own bias, which isn’t a definition. It’s propaganda. I’m not talking about ghosts or anything. I’m talking about the spirit of each individual. Everyone has a spirit. Even animals have spirits. The Bible says, “Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?”

            You’re comprised of three components – body, soul, and spirit.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            OK, define your terms, then provide evidence – testable evidence – for the existence of a spirit and a soul.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Don’t you know that you have a soul and spirit?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Given that years of intensive medical treatment and no medical professional has even mentioned either, no. Do you understand what atheism means? We reject such concepts as mythology, since no one can show any evidence of such things actually existing.

            Let me ask you something… let’s say a loved one of yours has become ill. They are showing flu-like symptoms. Suddenly, this person gets much worse. Their fever spikes to above 104F, they are shaking uncontrollably, and unable to control their bladder or bowels.

            Do you:

            a) Yell at the evil spirts to get out of your loved one?

            b) Call 911 so an ambulance can get your loved one into the ER.

            Answer honestly.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you realize how many people die from medical error? Medicine doesn’t know everything. However, there have been neurological studies that suggest there is more to human beings than the physical function.

            Regarding the fever incident you cited, that’s clearly a febrile seizure and has to be treated medically. However, there are other incidents that are clearly spiritual manifestations and have to be treated as such. One needs spiritual discernment and wisdom.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            OK, define a “clearly spiritual manifestation.”

            Yeah, doctors make mistakes. But like any scientific endeavor, it’s equal; parts hard science and art form. I’m alive because medical science has advanced to the point where treating serious strokes is everyday work.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Have you ever talked to cops about trying to take down someone who’s not very large, not very strong, yet who is abnormally able to fight off an entire pack of cops and not touched by tasing, pepper spray, and sometimes even bullets?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            It’s called adrenaline. Or PCP. I dealt personally with clients who, while under the influence of drugs, wrecked their bodies while resisting arrest.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Adrenaline doesn’t make you speak in different voices and languages.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Actually, adrenaline can alter your speech. I’ve had it happen to me.

            Physical damage to the brain can alter your speech, even to the point of causing you to switch primary languages. It’s rare, but it happens.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Adrenaline can’t give a man a woman’s voice and a woman a man’s voice. Adrenaline can’t make you suddenly start speaking in another language that you’ve never studied before. That’s demon possession and there’s only one way to get rid of it, and that’s by the power of Jesus Christ. A Christian may have to fast and pray first, but only Christians can do it.

    • Denny

      No more delusional than men who claim they are women and insist on being treated as such.

      • TheLastHonestLawyer

        OK, a slight difference here. Allowing transgender people to live as the wish does not harm you, not deprive you of any rights.

        Killing someone because others believe they are possessed is murder.

  • Peter Leh

    I have read fellow christians state they would kill another person if “god told them to” just as they did in the bible.

    I think we can all condemn this man and those like him.

  • Trilemma

    A deadly trinity: ignorance, fear and religion.

  • michael louwe

    From NYPost; …….
    “Vilma Trujillo, 25, was abducted by Pastor Juan Gregorio Rocha Romero
    and four members of the Church of the Assembly of God in the
    northeastern village of El Cortezal, La Prensa newspaper said Wednesday.”

    Please avoid AOG(Pentecostal/Charismatic) Churches.

    • BuckeyePhysicist

      …and pray for them too. They need conversion.

    • Sharon_at_home

      I think it was this one church and not all in the same religion.
      Are Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches the huge churches that push the money more than they do God? If you mean that kind of Church I agree, stay away.

  • Trilemma

    Sounds like these people were practicing first century Christianity. How many successful exorcisms has this man performed or was this his first? Even the apostles failed at an exorcism.

  • Chet

    A horrible tragedy that did not have to occur…

  • J. Ernst

    There are pagan AND cristian (deliberate misspelling) idolator’s …. always has been….always will be.

    It’s called; ANIMAL MAGNETISM!!!
    These Central ameriKan (deliberate misspelling) peoples have SEVERAL millennia of recorded history of sacrificial angst and practices … katholik’s especially, believe in the “war” of satan and God….a TRUE fraud if there ever was one. “satan” is either a grain of sand or the ENTIRE beach depending upon OUR perception and BELIEF!!!

    We, the People, should expect and have witnessed these peoples, in OUR country, practicing their IGNORANCE at the behest of their IDEALS, to continue their “cultural behaviors” because their comfort zone is a hell in itself

    Thanks to the vatiKan and ALL of the fake and grant supported religions, WE are now inundated with these spiritually vacant peoples….all under the guise of friendship and love…. that they “should be granted a better existence” MELDING INTO OUR society.
    DEPORTATION is the only answer for these LUNATIC masses. And for “nations” that allow these peoples of animal propensities to thrive…let these cristian’s stay where they are and let THEIR “law enforcement” people deal with it..
    And Barry o-fck-wit-ohomo should be given citizenship to these Central ameriKan “nations”.

  • Dianne

    This is sadly what happens when people DO NOT use the proper teaching of scripture to bring about healing and deliverance. My prayers for her family as they mourn the loss of their loved one. I also hope that contrition will come from the perpetrators.

  • Robert

    They’re is a bible
    Verse against private interpetations. When the preacher says Go

    • kenster777

      If a Church is a Bible Believing and believes God’s word as it is written. I would recommend following it, The word says the truth will set you free if there not following after truth there not following God.
      But if they start handling snakes, and tell you to drink koolaide I would not recommend them.

  • Robert

    Every Christian has had a exorcism of Satan performed on them by Jesus. Exorcisms are not new to the christian church. Christian baptism is really a exorcism where Christ claims you for him self and kicks Satan out.