Judge Dismisses Homosexual Activists’ ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ Suit Against Pastor

SPRINGFIELD, Mass. — A federal judge has dismissed an international lawsuit filed by an African homosexual activist group, which accused an American pastor of committing “crimes against humanity” for speaking out against homosexual behavior in the country.

U.S. District Judge Michael Ponsor, appointed to the bench by then-President Bill Clinton, issued an order on Monday declaring that the matter lacked the jurisdiction of a U.S. court.

Throughout his conclusion, however, he repeatedly blasted Scott Lively, author of “The Pink Swastika,” as aiding and abetting “a vicious and frightening campaign of repression” against homosexuals, and characterized his writings as “crackpot bigotry.” Lively denies the allegation as being without substantiation and as giving “the left fodder for propaganda.”

“[D]iscovery confirmed the nature of Defendant’s, on one hand, vicious and, on the other hand, ludicrously extreme animus against LGBTI people and his determination to assist in persecuting them wherever they are, including Uganda,” Ponsor wrote.

“The evidence of record demonstrates that Defendant aided and abetted efforts 1) to restrict freedom of expression by members of the LGBTI community in Uganda 2) to suppress their civil rights, and 3) to make the very existence of LGBTI people in Uganda a crime,” he asserted.

As previously reported, Lively had visited the nation of Uganda in 2009, where he spoke on what the Bible says about homosexuality and expressed support of pastors in the country who were working to oppose the proliferation of sexual activity between those of the same sex.

In 2012, the group Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG), filed a lawsuit against Lively, asserting that he had violated international law because his words allegedly encouraged government persecution against homosexuals in the nation and created a “climate of hate.” The group also alleged that Lively was a part of a “conspiracy” to deprive homosexuals of their rights.

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“U.S. evangelical leaders like Scott Lively have actively and intensively worked to eradicate any trace of LGBT advocacy and identity,” said Executive Director Frank Mugisha. “His influence has been incredibly harmful and destructive for LGBT Ugandans fighting for their rights. We have to stop people like Scott Lively from helping to codify and give legal cover to hatred.”

The group claimed that because Lively had spoken at a conference in Uganda just over a month before lawmakers proposed a bill to criminalize homosexual behavior in the country, he was partly responsible for influencing the government.

The most controversial aspect of the legislation required life imprisonment for those who engage in “aggravated homosexuality,” meaning those who intentionally spread the HIV virus, commit homosexual pedophilia, or repeatedly engage in sex acts with those of the same gender.

The bill was signed into law by President Yoweri Museveni in 2012, but later struck down by Uganda’s Constitutional Court. SMUG noted in its lawsuit that Lively had distanced himself from the bill’s proposed death penalty, but claimed he only did so “half-heartedly.”

He was sued under the Alien Tort Statute (ATS), which allows individuals from foreign nations to file federal complaints against U.S. citizens who have committed torts overseas.

“That’s about as ridiculous as it gets,” Lively told the New York Times in 2013. “I’ve never done anything in Uganda except preach the gospel and speak my opinion about the homosexual issue.”

Last year, attorneys for Lively filed for summary judgment in seeking dismissal of the legal challenge, and the request was granted this week, but only due to a lack of jurisdiction and not on the merits of the case.

SMUG therefore considered Monday’s ruling a victory despite the dismissal because of Ponsor’s conclusion that Lively had encouraged persecution of homosexuals.

“The court’s ruling recognized the dangers resulting from the hatred that Scott Lively and other extremist Christians from the U.S. have exported to my country,” Mugisha said. “By having a court recognize that persecution of LGBTI people amounts to a crime against humanity, we have already been able to hold Lively to account and reduce his dangerous influence in Uganda.”

Lively, while denying any promotion of hatred or harm against homosexuals, expressed satisfaction that the case is now closed.

“I thank God for His deliverance from this outrageous and malicious litigation, designed solely to silence my voice for Biblical truth on LGBT issues and to cause me pain and suffering for daring to speak against the ‘gay’ agenda,” he wrote in a statement.

“What I did was tell the documented truth about the history and tactics of the ‘gay’ political movement, and urge a compassionate Biblical response, emphasizing rehabilitation and prevention for LGBT sufferers,” Lively continued. “That is all I have ever done in almost 30 years as a missionary to the global pro-family movement.”

“No hatred. No advocacy of violence. No invasions of personal privacy. Just an insistence that homosexuality be denied normalization in the mainstream of society in favor of the natural family.”


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  • Colin Rafferty

    I just hope that SMUG can find an appropriate jurisdiction to try this international criminal.

    • Amos Moses

      or a hall to honor an international hero as Mr. Lively is ………..

      • Colin Rafferty

        We I guess if you believe that people should be jailed because of their consensual adult sexual practices, then you could see him as a hero. But that’s pretty sick.

        • Amos Moses

          well i guess each country gets to make their own laws …… and i do not believe Mr. Lively advocated that …… and even if he did how does that make the laws passed in another country his fault ……… especially when that country ALREADY had laws against homosexuality ……….. and it was not in this country where all common sense has gone out the door …… so is consensual cannibalism ok ….. after all it would be consensual …..

          • Colin Rafferty

            He did advocate exactly that. He claims that he didn’t advocate the death penalty, but certainly advocated jailing them. That’s why the judge says that he violated international law. Which is why I call him an international criminal.

            What do you think he did that makes him an “international hero”?

          • Amos Moses

            for standing up for the gospel and the truth ……… which you seem to have a problem with ………. so if he did violate international law ….. which is a joke any way ….. absolutely no jurisdiction for that nonsense ….. then why was it dismissed …… “declaring that the matter lacked the jurisdiction of a U.S. court.” …….. oh, yeah ….. there is that pesky jurisdiction thingy …….. BTW …. NUMEROUS people are “international criminals” ….. to include former (p)resident HWBush ……. SO WHAT …………

          • Colin Rafferty

            So you are proud that he is advocating jailing people for the crime of being gay. As I already said, that’s a sick attitude you have there..

          • Amos Moses

            violation of the law requires a penalty …. who are you to say different ………..

          • Colin Rafferty

            It’s called having a moral compass. Something you clearly lack.

          • Amos Moses

            yeah …. and yours seem to be broken ………… and it miffs you that you cant move a person who has one ….. and you STILL cant answer the question ….. WHO ARE YOU to tell them different ………..

          • Amos Moses

            Crickets …………..

          • Colin Rafferty

            The fact that this is happening in a different country doesn’t change the morality of a situation.

            But this is the basic difference between you and me. You think it is appropriate not just to discriminate against people because of their sexual behavior, but to actually lock them up. And you have no moral justification for it.

            My moral justification against it is that it is not doing anyone else harm.

            You keep trying to bob and weave. You like gays being jailed. You want it to happen. And that just makes you the sick one.

          • Amos Moses

            the fact is there is no morality to CONSENT …… it does not make everything okey doke ….. and you of all people have no business talking about the morality of any issue … that is a matter of truth ….. and you reject truth ………..and AGAIN …. WHO ARE YOU TO TELL THEM DIFFERENT …………..

          • Colin Rafferty

            Anyone can express a view on morality. You can, as well. It’s just that your view is twisted and sick because you think people should be imprisoned because of their private sexual acts.

          • Amos Moses

            no … you are stealing from a christian worldview and you have no claim on morality ….. ESPECIALLY when you advocate a position of CONSENT and MORALITY …… one has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the other …………. ” imprisoned because of their private sexual acts.” … right there …. a COMPLETE abdication of ANY MORALITY …… your own words ….. and AGAIN …… WHO ARE YOU TO TELL THEM DIFFERENT …………..

          • Colin Rafferty

            Seriously, you need to take a deep dark look into your own soul and try to understand what makes you hate so much. What happened to you that makes you want to jail people for having sex with someone of their own gender?

          • Amos Moses

            no … you gave up the MORALITY position when you invoked CONSENT ….. your position is based SOLELY on CONSENT ….. YOU HAVE NO MORAL POSITION ……..

          • Parodyx

            “you gave up the MORALITY position when you invoked CONSENT”

            You REALLY have a difficult time with consenting adults, don’t you?

          • Amos Moses

            nope … but if you are going to use that as the standard …… then you give up certain things ….. LIKE MORALITY …. you have NO CLAIM on MORALITY once you do that …… and it goes for every other depravity that is made “legal” due to “consent” …………

          • Parodyx

            Morality is subjective. I would never want the values you have in that regard.

          • Amos Moses

            nope ….. morality is not subjective …… only if you have no morality ….. if it is subjective …… then pedophiles can do what they want and you have no MORAL STANDING to say no ………… your position is a lie ………..

          • Parodyx

            Morality is absolutely subjective. I have the right to say that pedophilia is an offensive act of abuse against a child AND I have the right to say that a homosexual relationship involving consenting adults is just fine. That is my SUBJECTIVE MORAL STANDING. And I don’t want yours.

          • Amos Moses

            nope ….. if you want moral relativism …. that is exactly what happened …… in UGANDA ….. and again …… WHAT IS YOUR BEEF …….. it was with the CONSENT of the people of Uganda ……

          • Parodyx

            It doesn’t make it right. I don’t know where you got the idea that I blindly go along with everything just because it’s legal.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. how dare you contradict yourself in that manner ……. if you want to hold the position that morals are “subjective” …… THEN BE CONSISTENT …… that is what you have stated you want and believe ……. so again ….. WHAT IS YOUR BEEF ……….. YOU SAID “Morality is absolutely subjective.” ………… so what …… you got what you asked for … you got your wish ……….. WHAT IS YOUR COMPLAINT ……

          • Parodyx

            There is no contradiction Amos. My position is absolutely consistent and always has been. If a country wants to jail and execute homosexuals it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with my moral compass to state that it’s wrong just because it’s the law. I maintain that morals are subjective, so tell me EXACTLY how you think I’m violating my own code.

          • Amos Moses

            “My position is absolutely consistent and always has been”

            first ….. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW ……. we are talking about MORALITY ……..

            no ….. you stated a position of MORAL RELATIVISM ….. that “Morality is absolutely subjective.” ……. so who are you to say with ANY AUTHORITY who is doing what right ….. and who decides ……… YOU …… are YOU now the moral center of the universe …………. is that the level of your arrogance ……….. YOU have given up ANY claim to morality WHATSOEVER ………. but you are now going to tell the rest of the world WHAT IS MORAL AND WHAT IS NOT ………… REALLY ……………. WHO ARE YOU TO DO THAT ………

          • Parodyx

            “first ….. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW ……. we are talking about MORALITY ……..”

            So am I.

            ” so who are you to say with ANY AUTHORITY who is doing what right”

            I say it because I am free to say it, I don’t have authority but don’t need it. This is my subjective morality in action, Amos. How do you like it?

            I’m not creating laws or demanding anyone adopt any demands. I’m doing exactly what you do, expressing an opinion. The difference is, I back mine up with reason and you back yours up with faith.

          • Amos Moses

            “I say it because I am free to say it, I don’t have authority but don’t need it. ”

            to assert any moral authority ….. you need AUTHORITY …… you have none ….. as you just admitted ….. so you have neither ……….

          • Parodyx

            Is that how it works? So you think Adolf Hitler was a good man, because he had authority?

          • Amos Moses

            there are NO GOOD MEN ….. that is what i think …….. no ….. that is WHAT I KNOW ………. all men are liars …….. even me …… so i put my trust in the only one who has NEVER lied …. EVER ………………

          • Parodyx

            Just read what you wrote a couple times.

            Look at what your religion has done to you, Amos.

          • Amos Moses

            nope …. it is what man has done …… in defiance of God ……

          • Parodyx

            Good luck making that argument float to people who disbelieve in God.

          • Amos Moses

            they disbelieve God ….. BECAUSE they are in defiance of Him …… and it is not an argument ….. it is the truth ….. and YOU are the proof ………

          • Parodyx

            No, they disbelieve in God because they see no proof that God exists. It has nothing to do with defiance. No one hates God.

          • Amos Moses

            they cannot see the proof ….. because they are blinded by unrighteousness ……….

          • Parodyx

            You do not speak on behalf of others.

          • Amos Moses

            God has spoken with authority of His creation …….. i speak His words about HIS creation …… you speak of yourself and it is SUBJECTIVE ………… and lies ……..

          • Amos Moses

            your heart can bleed for them all you want …… your position has nothing to do with morality ….. it has to do with PURE EMOTIONALISM …..

          • Amos Moses

            and AGAIN …… WHO ARE YOU TO TELL THEM DIFFERENT …………..

          • Off Shore

            “My moral justification against it is that it is not doing anyone else harm.”

            Search the CDC on how many cases of aids and syphilis homosexuals have compared to the general population and then tell me they don’t harm others. Anal cancer alone is seventeen times higher than the general population and that harms all of us that pay the bills. What a joke search out the facts instead of just repeating the talking points of idiots.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Do you think it is appropriate to jail gays because they have higher rates of venereal disease. That’s a pretty twisted attitude.

          • Off Shore

            I commented to you saying they do no harm and you went somewhere else so you know that it does harm to others and like propitiating the lies.

          • Chris

            Well actually the homosexuals aren’t doing any harm – the diseases are. Homosexual without disease – no harm. Disease without homosexual – harm. Therefore the disease causes the harm.

          • Colin Rafferty

            This entire thread, and story, is about Lively’s involvement in the Ugandan anti gay laws, and the immorality of them. I’m sorry if I assumed you were in favor of them.

            Consensual sex does not harm anyone not involved.

        • Oboehner

          You’re absolutely right, gay is pretty sick.

          • Parodyx

            If you take your medical opinions from bronze age bigotry, perhaps.

      • Parodyx

        Do explain why Lively is an “international hero” and not a menace to society given his desire to jail and execute homosexuals, Amos. I really want to hear about this fine, upstanding morality the gentleman possesses. Which according to you is NOT subjective.

        • Amos Moses

          “The lawyers pointed that that SMUG could not “(A) identify any specific actions of Defendant Scott Lively (‘Lively’) in the U.S. that had a direct causal link to any alleged injury suffered by SMUG in Uganda; and (B) identify any specific injunctive relief that this court could even consider that would not violate the First Amendment.”

          SMUG ….. pretty much says it all ……… and i will take Mr. Livelys morality over those of SMUG …… any day of the week ……. and SL had nothing to do with what the Ugandans did of their own accord ……… maybe you should be angry at them ………

          • Parodyx

            As the Southern Poverty Law Center what they think of your buddy Scott Lively.

          • Amos Moses

            Morris Dees …… yeah …….. check out his divorce papers …….

            Morris Dees, Pathological Narcissist and Ultra-Creep
            robertlindsay;wordpress;com/2009/06/23/morris-dees-pathological-narcissist-and-ultra-creep/ – change the ; to .
            June 23, 2009…1:10 pm

          • Parodyx

            It says a lot about your personal integrity and morality that you would regard a person who wants to jail and execute people for something they have absolutely no control over as an “international hero”. And it says even more about the brand of Christianity you have elected to adopt.

          • Amos Moses

            no evidence they “have absolutely no control over” ……. pedophiles could make the same argument ….. is that where you want to go ……… i know you have abandoned any moral authority ….. but really …..

          • Parodyx

            It’s incredible after hearing the same things over and over that you still don’t understand all things people are so patiently telling you: a pedophile, REGARDLESS of how much control he/she has over their situation, must be stopped from abusing children who are NOT CONSENTING. Do you understand why pedophilia is an act of ABUSE? Whereas homosexuality is not? Can you please answer that?

          • Amos Moses

            no …… you have ZERO moral authority to do so ………… you gave that up when you invoked CONSENT ……… you may have a threat to make them stop …… but the only authority for that is violence …………. if you allow homosexuals and transvestites to do as they please because they “have absolutely no control over” …… then you have no moral authority to forbid anyone else who “have absolutely no control over” …………

          • Parodyx

            I never claimed to have moral authority over anyone but myself, and I still have it. I have no obligation to stand up in protest of homosexuals or transvestites because they are not hurting anyone. No abuse is taking place. Pedophilia would be different because innocent children would be hurt. The answer never changes, Amos, it’s about abuse and consent, and you show no signs of understanding either one.

          • Amos Moses

            “I never claimed to have moral authority over anyone but myself, and I still have it.”

            NO …. you claim to have moral authority to say pedophiles must stop because it is abuse ….. when you gave up the authority to make that call when you said …… “Morality is absolutely subjective.” ………. if there is none …… then you CANNOT say it is abuse ….. and you cannot say it is wrong and have ANYONE believe what you are saying …….

          • Parodyx

            When I say morality is subjective all I mean is that everyone has a completely individual moral code. You cannot say there is one moral code all people most follow. If you say that you’re completely unrealistic. But as long as you willfully fail to understand the concepts of abuse and consent, you’ll never budge from your rigid position of insisting pedophilia is the same as homosexuality. You utterly fail to fathom that two homosexuals, adults, do no harm to anyone and consent just like a straight couple, but that an adult having sex with a child is an act of abuse because the child cannot consent. As long as you sit in this unreasonable place, you will not see the light.

          • Amos Moses

            no …….. they do not ……… laws are made based on a COMMONLY accepted MORALITY ….. and it is NOT subjective …..

          • Parodyx

            What does law have to do with morality? Nothing.

          • Amos Moses

            how do you know ….. you say “Morality is absolutely subjective.” …… how do you know the law is or is not subjective …… to say this is bad, wrong, illegal, a crime, immoral ….. REQUIRES A MORAL JUDGEMENT …… that you say is SUBJECTIVE ………….. so ….. HOW DO YOU KNOW …..

          • Parodyx

            BECAUSE NO TWO PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME MORALITY. That’s why.

          • Amos Moses

            no ………. morality does not change because you do or do not accept it …… all that is is rebellion ………..

          • Parodyx

            Everyone has a moral code. Everyone.

          • Amos Moses

            no …. they do not ………… there is no morality when a person is rebellion to God …… oil and water ……….. they may have a “code” …… but morality does not necessarily have anything to do with it …………………..

          • Parodyx

            You simply don’t understand any of the words being used. You are not the only person who gets to possess a moral code just because you have a religion.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. you are simply in rebellion ……….

          • Parodyx

            Hilarious, what am I supposedly rebelling against?

          • Amos Moses

            so you are saying a person can commit mass murder and have it be “moral” ….. REALLY …… and a pedophile can claim MORALITY for what he does to children because ….. “NO TWO PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME MORALITY. That’s why.” …. another MORONIC statement …..

          • Parodyx

            No, I’m not saying a person who commits mass murder is “moral”. I would
            say it’s a person with bad personal morality. Everyone HAS morality,
            doesn’t mean it’s always GOOD morality.

            It’s not moronic simply because you fail to understand what is being said.

          • Amos Moses

            “Morality is absolutely subjective.” “When I say morality is subjective all I mean is that everyone has a completely individual moral code.”

            but when you say ABSOLUTELY …… that means in all cases and at all times …… ABSOLUTELY …………

            “But as long as you willfully fail to understand the concepts of abuse and consent”

            BUT YOU ARE SAYING IT IS SUBJECTIVE …… ABSOLUTELY ……….. apparently YOU do not know what you are talking about ………… “Morality is absolutely subjective.” …….. what is it you think i do not understand about that statement ……………. you have NO BASIS to make that call ………….

          • Parodyx

            No that is not what “absolutely” means in the way I used the word. I meant it (morality) was totally, indisputably subjective depending on the person. I suspect you are playing games with words now.

            I have every basis to say that morality is subjective. If YOU Amos are saying it isn’t then you are saying everyone has the same morality. It is simple to prove we don’t. You want to jail and execute homosexuals, and I do not. That’s the difference between your morality and mine.

          • Amos Moses

            “Abuse” according to whom ….. YOU HAVE NO MORAL AUTHORITY to say it is WRONG …… EVER ………….. you GAVE UP THAT AUTHORITY …………. especially when you said ….. “Morality is absolutely subjective.” ………. you have ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS to have any position to tell anyone if it is right or wrong ………………

          • Parodyx

            Abuse according to the courts, the dictionary, practically everyone who has a pulse. Yes, I have the moral fiber to state that abusing a child is wrong. I never gave up my right to say that. Never. Abusing a child who cannot consent is absolutely, completely, totally, horribly wrong and I will say so as long as I have breath. And saying so does not make me a hypocrite in any sense.

          • Amos Moses

            no. no, no ……… YOU cannot say it with any authority ……… “Morality is absolutely subjective.” ……….. so says YOU ……….. you have no basis ……….

          • Parodyx

            It IS subjective. Just because people have laws doesn’t mean everyone experiences the same morality. You can very easily disagree with laws. What you CANNOT disagree with is that an adult having sex with a child is an act of abuse.

          • Amos Moses

            “Just because people have laws doesn’t mean everyone experiences the same morality.”

            ummmm …. YEAH ….. thats EXACTLY what that means …… so it is NOT subjective ……. the LAW APPLIES EQUALLY to ALL ….. and if it is to you ……. then by what LOGIC can you say pedophilia is wrong and make a law that says it is ………..

          • Amos Moses

            “What you CANNOT disagree with is that an adult having sex with a child is an act of abuse.”

            But YOU cannot say that ….. because …. IT IS SUBJECTIVE ……… and YOU have no basis to say it is wrong ….. FOR ANY REASON ………. you said it is subjective …..

          • Amos Moses

            ” Do you understand why pedophilia is an act of ABUSE? Whereas homosexuality is not? Can you please answer that?”

            “Morality is absolutely subjective.” ………. i understand you saying …. so CONSENT is SUBJECTIVE ……. ABUSE is SUBJECTIVE ……. even homosexuality IS A SUBJECTIVE CALL …….. “Morality is absolutely subjective.” and you have no basis to say that ……..

          • Parodyx

            Morality is subjective, yes.
            Consent is not subjective. Either you give consent or you do not.
            Abuse is not subjective, especially not when discussing child sexual abuse.
            Homosexuality is not subjective. You are either homosexual or you are not.
            Are you saying that morality is not subjective? Does that mean everyone experiences the same morality? Why does the statement that morality is subjective set you off so strongly?

          • Amos Moses

            “consent” as a legal and moral term under your worldview is SUBJECTIVE ………….. as far as who can give it and who can accept it ….. it is a MORAL JUDGEMENT that YOU say are all SUBJECTIVE ………..

            “abuse” as a legal and moral term under your worldview is SUBJECTIVE ………….. as far as who can abuse and who can be abused ….. it is a MORAL JUDGEMENT that YOU say are all SUBJECTIVE ………..

            homosexual as a legal and moral term under your worldview is SUBJECTIVE ………….. as far as who is and who is not ….. it is a MORAL JUDGEMENT that YOU say are all SUBJECTIVE ………..

            those are ALL MORAL JUDGEMENTS ……….

          • Parodyx

            You simply fail to understand what these words mean, Amos.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. you are simply in rebellion …………

          • Parodyx

            I rebel against nothing, Amos. Certainly not against logic and reason and fear and ignorance.

    • Oboehner

      I Just hope that TROLL can find an appropriate jurisdiction to post this irrational crap.

    • Amos Moses

      The lawyers pointed that that SMUG could not “(A) identify any specific actions of Defendant Scott Lively (‘Lively’) in the U.S. that had a direct causal link to any alleged injury suffered by SMUG in Uganda; and (B) identify any specific injunctive relief that this court could even consider that would not violate the First Amendment.”

      • Colin Rafferty

        Well yes, that’s why I said I hope they can find an appropriate jurisdiction.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      This pastor is the hero who speaks the truth. Today’s Western culture is the international perv criminal on earth to push and fund abnormal immorality everywhere.

      • Colin Rafferty

        So you agree with the pastor and think that we ought to be jailing people for the crime of having consensual gay sex. Grace, I know you don’t like other people having inappropriate sex, but jailing them seems a little much, even for you.

        Do you really think they ought to be jailed? That’s pretty harsh.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Not jail time unless they touched children or spread diseases knowingly. It depends. This pastor should be respected as the truth-bringer. Truth rescues people; immorality only destroys them.

          • Colin Rafferty

            This pastor is promoting jailing people for consensual sex. Are you sure that’s something you want to call “heroic”? Because if you keep calling him a hero, people are going to think that you want to jail adults because they had sex with each other.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            He taught the truth. That’s what is right and heroic.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Then you think gays should be jailed. That’s what he’s teaching. Why? Are there any other class of people who should be jailed? Maybe people who have affairs? Or pre-marital sex?

            Who else do you think should be jailed for consensual sex?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Liberals who teach children immorality should be jailed. Being jailed for sexual offences is case-by-case.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Ok, so what particular sexual offenses among mutually consenting adults should be illegal? Is it about the genders, or the positions, or the body parts involved?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Every indecency in public view should be illegal.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Good. It already is.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, it is not. The Western perv parades should be banned.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Where they are against the public indecency laws, they are. Different cities have different laws.

      • Parodyx

        He should go to jail.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          No, Western whites who do indecency publicly and their faithful mental slaves should be jailed for indecency. People need morality to be civilized and humane. Morality should be added to the definition of human rights.

          • Dianne

            Grace, people practice homosexuality ALL OVER THE WORLD AND IN EVERY RACE.

            Proverbs 8:33 “Hear instruction, and be wise, and REFUSE IT NOT.”

            Ephesians 6:10-12 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
            Put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD, that ye maybe able to stand against the WILES OF THE devil.
            For we wrestle not AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, but AGAINST principalities, AGAINST powers, AGAINST the rulers of the DARKNESS of this WORLD, AGAINST SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.

  • Denny

    The Pink Swastika is an excellent and informative book. I can see why progressives would hate it, it tells the truth.

    Laws have become really intrusive when free expression is called “crackpot bigotry.” It’s now a crime to offend certain people. This is sickening. There is no “right” not to be offended.

    • Colin Rafferty

      The law in question is one that jails people for consensual sex. That’s not “offending people”, but actually locking them up.

      Do you agree with the Ugandan laws that jail people for the crime of being gay?

      • Amos Moses

        well apparently it offends the Ugandans ….. they are the ones who passed the law ….. who are you to tell them otherwise ………

        • Parodyx

          Careful, Amos. This is the country that executes homosexuals. Are you sure you want to say that morality is not subjective now?

          • Amos Moses

            what they are doing ….. while not what i would have them do …… is moral ….. what the SMUG adherents do …… not so much …….. and no … it is not subjective ….. and how would you know anyway …… you have abandoned morality in favor of “consent” ….. which i might add ….. is EXACTLY what the law did …… it was passed by CONSENT …… so what is YOUR BEEF ……………. they CONSENTED to carry this out ….. i thought that was your position …… relative morality and CONSENT …………

          • Parodyx

            You misunderstand what “consent” means, then…or you choose to adopt it using it in the wrong way. Consent as we have been discussing it is a matter between two people and no one else. No one is being abused or violated against their will. THAT is consent. If a government passes a bill to make it legal to execute homosexuals, that’s got nothing whatsoever to do with consent. It just means a body of elected officials made a decision.

          • Amos Moses

            no …. you misunderstand what it means in a wider context …… because it does not fit your agenda ………..

          • Parodyx

            I haven’t got an agenda. Except maybe to stop bigotry in its tracks. There is no wider context, once again a dictionary would do you wonders.

          • Amos Moses

            all you have for being here is an agenda of attacking christianity ……….. period ………

          • Parodyx

            Demonstrably false, I like Sharon (as one example) very much, and she is a Christian.

          • Amos Moses

            so what …. does not alter your agenda ………

          • Parodyx

            I have no agenda.

          • Amos Moses

            see ….. right there ………..LIES ………

          • Parodyx

            I have no agenda, Amos.

          • Amos Moses

            and the lies continue ……….

          • Parodyx

            I have no agenda. I am not here to change anyone’s mind about anything. But I will question statements I find questionable.

    • Amos Moses

      yeah … the biggest bullies are the crybullies ……. whomever is the biggest victim gets to be the biggest bully ……….

      • Colin Rafferty

        You mean, the victim that actually gets jailed for the crime of having consensual sex. Such crybabies.

        • Amos Moses

          well it is a violation of law in Uganda …… who are you to tell them how to live their lives in their own country ………..

          • ZappaSaid88

            Yeah, who does he think he is, Scott Lively?

          • Amos Moses

            SL did not make them pass the law …… and homosexuality was already illegal in Uganda before this new law with penalties ….. as it was IN EVERY state in this country not that long ago …………….

    • Chris

      Sorry but the ‘Pink Swastika’ is complete and utter rubbish. According to :ively the Homosexuals were responsible for Naziism. Not according to the facts.

      Try this:
      Erik N.
      Jensen (January–April 2002). “The Pink Triangle and Political
      Consciousness: Gays, Lesbians, and the Memory of Nazi Persecution”. Journal of the History of Sexuality. 11 (1/2): 319–349, pp. 322–323 and n. 19. doi:10.1353/sex.2002.000

      Or this:

      Bob Moser (Spring 2005). “Making Myths”. Intelligence Report. Southern Poverty Law Center

      The fact is Nazis rounded up homosexuals and sent them to concentration camps where they were persecuted mercilessly.

  • balloonknot9

    This guy Lively does not preach the Word, he preaches violence and condemnation.

    Look, yes homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of Christians, but that in no way means that violence, retribution, is Christian. He does not preach the love of God/Christ, he does not preach with love the Gospel. He is one step removed from what ISIS does to homosexuals. He is Mr fire and brimstone and he has no authority to condemn anyone. That is where he oversteps.

    Why is it so difficult to show Christian love to sinners? All sinners. Instead he would rather incite hatred and loathing to the locals who will start attacking people in the name of God when God has not ordained their actions. Show the people the love of Christ for them and the way to “sin no more”, rather than this hack and his self-righteous violence in the name of god.

    • Amos Moses

      “United Methodist Church Turns to Blasphemy, Forsakes The Bible; Ordains First ‘Non-binary Trans’ Deacon”

      because it is all just about “love”, right ……. and God only shows “love” to unrepentant sinners …….

      14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
      14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: <— Christ
      14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
      14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

      “Why is it so difficult to show Christian love to sinners?”

      If you want to show love to sinners you must make them realize first that they ARE sinners, that what they are doing IS SIN. THIS IS WHAT THE LAW IS FOR. To make people aware that they are sinners.

      But exactly this is considered “hate speech” these days. Go and try it! This is the internet. You have access to millions of gay sites: go to them and tell them in love that they ARE SINNERS and that sodomy IS a sin. See what happens.

      • Nick Bush

        The law is supposed to be fair to all people. Not all people believe
        that homosexuality is a sin, and since homosexuality does not harm
        people, why should non-Christians be forced to follow a law that only
        Christians should follow?

  • mikegillespie

    History repeats itself. The Roman authorities charged the early Christians with odium generis humani – “hatred of the human race.” The best-behaved citizens were regarded as deserving of punishment. In an immoral world, it has always been this way and always will be till Christ returns. Times like these separate the Christians from the lukewarm pew-fillers. Christianity is a serious and demanding religion, especially in times like this where there is a price to be paid for standing up for the right.

    • Colin Rafferty

      So, like Lively, you think that people should be jailed for the sin of having gay sex. Or am I misunderstanding you?

      • yabruf

        You mean sodomy? No jail time just the death penalty.

        No need to torture someone in prison.

        • Colin Rafferty

          So what is it about them that makes you think they deserve to be killed? And are there any other classes of humans that you think ought to be exterminated?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western culture forces people to accept abnormal depravity; that’s the crime against humanity.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Wow, so they should be killed. You sicken me.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, repent of your sin and live. Stay away from children. Don’t teach children immorality. Everyone has rights to morality and life.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Whose sin? You are the one who is saying that gays should be killed. That’s a twisted view of the world.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are lying. You must repent of homosexuality. Read Romans 1 and John 1.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Please read the comment you responded to. yabruf is saying that they should be killed, and you are approving of that.

            If you did not agree with him, you should not have commented approvingly on this thread.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No one approved his comment. I wanted you to know not every Christian believes in homosexual people’s execution. Homosexuals need education to become civilized moral. They must be barred from oppressing moral people in the West.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Thank you. I am glad to hear that you don’t think we should execute people for their sexual habits.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            People should have freedom to condemn sexual sins as sin, but the West is trying to abolish the freedom of conscience.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Nope, you are always free to condemn whatever. But when you are doing what Lively is doing, which is trying to criminalize it, you’re no longer just expressing an opinion, but actively trying to jail people.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA jails and fines people who simply reject homosexuality. Which is worse?

          • Colin Rafferty

            Lie, lie, lie. USA jails and fines people who actively discriminate against homosexuals, not “simply reject”.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, USA is guilty of persecuting the moral people on the other side. Other Western nations are, too.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You are lying. Liar, liar, pants on fire. We have had this conversation innumerable times, and you know you are lying. Not one person has been persecuted for what they say, but for the act of actively discriminating.

            You know this, and I know this. Please be honest. Or name one person who did not actively discriminate who was persecuted in the US. Liar.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I gave you names and you denied the evidences. The West destroys the Christian businesses and individuals for refusing to serve homosexuality. The West violates human rights, too.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You are still lying. You have never once given me a single name of someone who did not actively discriminate, but was persecuted for their beliefs. Not once. Never.

            And if you really, really, really did have someone, you would just name that person, rather than claiming you have done it before. You are lying about this, yet again.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I did, and you never admit the facts about your civilization’s evil doings. I gave you close to 10. Read the farmer’s case in this news site for the latest case. The world learns from the West what happens when a civilization submits to Sodomy. You guys should stop being bored.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Liar, liar, pants on fire. The Farmer is actively discriminating. You have never once given an example of someone who was not actively discriminating.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, Western Sodomites are trying to enslave mankind by the installation of homosexuality. Enough of the mentally ill West’s atrocities. You guys are not sorry for racism.

          • Becky

            They’re killing themselves.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Blaming the victim. I guess they wouldn’t be worried about the death penalty in Uganda if they just choose to not be gay or lesbian.

          • Becky

            They sentence themselves to the death penalty of deadly diseases. Then there’s the second death…”But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev21:8). If you truly cared about their well-being and their lives, you ought to tell them to repent of their sins (you included) and surrender their lives to Almighty God through Christ our Lord.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Well, ok. I hadn’t realized you were talking about Jesus burning and torturing them for all eternity.

          • Becky

            The only torture they’re receiving is what they’re doing to themselves. By advocating their sin, you’re a partaker of that torture and of their second death (if they don’t repent)…Christ is not to blame for the consequences. Else they (and you) can’t take responsibility for their own actions can they?

          • Colin Rafferty

            There was the bully in my grade school who would grab someone’s hand, hit them with it, and ask “why are you hitting yourself?”

            So I guess once they find themselves in the lake of fire, they can repent, and Christ will stop burning and torturing them. Or will He continue to do it for millions and millions of years? Really, trillions. Or all eternity.

          • Becky

            We can only repent whilst we’re alive. When a person dies (the first time) all opportunities of repentance are gone. Those who never repented neither accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior will face the second death, which is the Lake of Fire. It clearly states in Romans 6:23, “The wages of sin is death.”. They will not burn for all eternity…they will die else that would make them immortal and that is not Scripturally supported (1John5:11,12; 2Tim1:10). They will burn until they’re stubble (Isaiah47:17).

          • Colin Rafferty

            Oh, so only for a few minutes after death. That’s not so bad. Boiling brimstone is over 800F. That will melt you to stubble real quick.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Jesus gave sexual sinners unspecified time to repent by saying, “Sin no more.” No death penalty for sexual offenders unless they violated children, but it’s wrong for the Western culture to demand mankind to treat homosexuality and transgenderism as something normal. Western nations should be tried for human rights violations because they push the destructive abnormal depravity.

        • Colin Rafferty

          Please don’t change the subject to assault. The issue here is adults being jailed for having consensual sex. That’s what Lively’s promoting.

          Are you saying that Lively is correct, and we should jail people because they have the kind of sex that you disapprove of? I already know you don’t like them forcing everyone to acknowledge it, but should the police be breaking down people’s doors and arresting them for the kind of sex they are having? Yes or no? This is what Lively was brought to court for promoting.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            People should be taught not to sin.

  • Amos Moses

    United Methodist Church Turns to Blasphemy, Forsakes The Bible; Ordains First ‘Non-binary Trans’ Deacon

  • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

    God bless the saints of Africa for trying to fight back against sodomy! They show dignity in their weakness. They are very weak compared to the rainbow imperialism of the West, and yet they show dignity by trying to resist. In that regard, we can all learn from them!

    • Colin Rafferty

      So you think that gay people should be put in jail. Why does what two people do in the privacy of their bedroom mean that they should be jailed?

      • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

        Sin and crimes do not stop being sin and crimes because they are committed behind closed doors. If that were the case, cannibalism wouldn’t be a crime either. As a matter of fact, people have used your argument to defend that one gay cannibal in Germany who asked for a victim in an ad and then, with the victim’s consent, killed and ate him. Fortunately, he was still convicted of murder, although it was consensual and happened in the privacy of the sodomites’ bedroom.

        [Ceterum censeo: some of these fagnostics and gaytheists should be blocked. They have big business, academia, Hollywood and the mainstream media on their side. Yet they still don’t have enough and constantly spam Christian news sites, and viciously attack the last 7000 men in the West who have not yet bent their knees to Baal. They are like cancer that wants to spread and spread until it has destroyed literally everything.]

        • Colin Rafferty

          Again, what’s the crime? Who is harmed so much that they should be jailed for having hot gay sex?

          • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

            Christians for instance who are punished for preaching God’s word, the sodomites who will go to hell, the societies that are being punished for promoting and celebrating sin.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Please have the decency to not change the subject. You want to jail people for the sex they have in their bedroom. People preaching against gay marriage is irrelevant.

            Two adult men are having consensual sex in the privacy of their home. Why should they be jailed?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Good. Sexual decadence is the Western secularism’s new caesar, but mankind must never lose the freedom to declare that homosexuality/transgenderism is sin and to treat it as sin. This Ugandan group is the real slaves to the Western pervs. The life of the LGBT should be protected, but they should never demand mankind to treat the abnormal, depraved sins as something non-sinful. Such normalization of depravity hurts children the most and abolishes morality and freedom altogether.

    People should wonder why Western liberals and their mental slaves always cause troubles for the truth-speaking gentle Christians but are silent on those who truly pose physical dangers to them. People must keep the freedom to condemn homosexuality/transgenderism as sin everywhere. That is truth’s right to exist and also the freedom in the West. Otherwise, the world will suffer Sodom’s tyranny and will be destroyed like Sodom. Jude 1. Truth counts. People should fear God and not each other.

    • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

      The Western ruling class wants to force us all to lie and to sin.

      A few days ago, my mother told me that she had met an old teacher of mine. And I then remembered him saying that in the middle ages, rulers simply didn’t care what their subjects thought. Like, there were complicated coalitions and contracts, so this prince had to marry that princess, and suddenly a piece of land in modern Italy belonged to modern Austria, etc.

      But today it’s even WORSE in a way. The rulers of today care GREATLY what we think, and we have to think the right thing. It is not longer enough for us to simply submit, Babylon demands ACCOMPLICES. It is not longer enough to simply shut up and obey, the modern state demands partners in crime.

      They don’t even let you out of a conversation about sodomy, you can’t even say, “I disagree but I will be silent and obey” – no, you MUST also support and promote sodomy in your heart of hearts. They are SO evil, so totalitarian.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Exactly. The attitude that demands evil is the heinous evil itself. It was Germany last century, and it’s the entire Western culture this century. (The pagans haven’t changed much) Western Sodomites are being thirsty for the Christian blood. Thankfully, there are other powers at work, and Sodom never stays in power for long. We will see what happens. God reigns and the Truth prevails.

    • SFBruce

      Under our US Constitution, everyone, including and especially those you deride with terms like “Western pervs,” has the right to petition the government for relief from unfair treatment. You may not like it, but I’m very grateful that’s the system we have.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        US Constitution never imagined the existence of such immoral individuals. Homosexuality and transgenderism should be treated as sin. Or moral people and real parents will face persecutions in such a society, as seen on today. Western whites made a mistake by putting skin colors and sexual immorality together in the same basket. Racism never ends.

  • electedbyHim

    These people play the victim. They will always come up against God and His written word. They hate Christians because we tell Gods truth. They are filled with guilt over their sin because in their conscience they know its not moral.

    • Colin Rafferty

      They are victims because Uganda is imprisoning them for the crime of having gay sex. Do you think that they should be jailed for this?

      • electedbyHim

        My opinion is not important. However according to Gods word they should repent of their sins, as should drunkards, liars, adulterers and so on.

        • Colin Rafferty

          This article is about imprisoning people because they are gay. If you’re commenting positively on that, and claiming the people who are being imprisoned are “playing the victim”, you are clearly stating your opinion.

          I think that it’s an evil sin to send people to jail because of the kind of sex they have.

          I guess you think that your opinion is unimportant, because it’s God’s word that is important. Does God think that people should be imprisoned because of the kind of sex they have?

          • electedbyHim

            Did you not read what I posted about Gods word?

          • Colin Rafferty

            I did. But it says neither why you think that people are “playing the victim” when they are being jailed, nor whether you think they should be jailed. Or if God’s word is that they should be jailed.

            I guess if you don’t want to talk about the actual case here, that’s fine.

          • electedbyHim

            Not really, its not up for debate with me. My post really had nothing to do with the article. (I did not know it was a rule to post comments on the article) These people will always play the victim card no matter what the situation. They are a minority people who love their sin. All I can do is pray for them.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Well in this article, they are “playing the victim card” because they are getting imprisoned for their sexual preferences. If you don’t think that’s actual victimization, that’s pretty twisted.

          • electedbyHim

            My comment has nothing to do with this article

          • Colin Rafferty

            Fine. So then I’ll assume good intent, and assume that when you say that gay people are “playing the victim card”, you don’t mean it when they are actually being jailed for their gayness. Only when they are being denied service because of their gayness.

          • electedbyHim

            You may assume whatever you like

          • Colin Rafferty

            Kind of like your assumptions of gay people’s feelings of guilt.

          • electedbyHim

            Please reply to someone that will feed into your comments

          • Colin Rafferty

            So you don’t actually comment on the article, and you don’t want to respond to criticisms of your comments. You just want to make your pronouncements and walk away. Fine, I can ignore you.

          • electedbyHim

            I understand your intentions, as well as others. I have been reading the comments for years on this site. I know why you people come here. Please ignore me as you stated that you will.

            Grace and peace to you

    • SFBruce

      Actually, you’re expressing your personal opinion about “God and His written word.” I have no reason to doubt your sincerity, but surely you know that even among those who believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible don’t agree on what that literal interpretation should be. My motivation for refuting the vile, poorly supported claims of Scott Lively stems not from any guilt about my life, but a genuine desire to see more fairness, and less marginalization of gay people.

      • electedbyHim

        “Actually, you’re expressing your personal opinion about “God and His written word.”

        Its in Gods word,therefore not an opinion.

        “but surely you know that even among those who believe in a literal
        interpretation of the Bible don’t agree on what that literal
        interpretation should be.”

        Sources and doctrines?

        “My motivation for refuting the vile, poorly supported claims of Scott Lively”

        What claims do you speak of?

        “but a genuine desire to see more fairness, and less marginalization of gay people.”

        fairness of what, accepting the sin of sodomy?

        On a side note I understand that people will lie and dumb down their sin for accepting it as “normal’ I have been in to many conversations with homosexuals that deny God and become very angry and hostile when they ask what my belief is. I have co-workers who are gay and know my stance as a Christian, they will never ask me what I believe. We work well together and none consider me a bigot. They also know not to force their beliefs on me and vice versa. Common respect.

        I went on a tangent, apologies

  • Kaz

    I love that tie. Green is a tricky color for ties, not many men can pull that off. You have to have the right color suit and the right skin tones. Great look. Wish all Christian clergy would look that classy, it’s hard to take contemporary preachers seriously in their jeans and sneakers and general slovenly look. If you’re going to preach a serious faith you have to look like a serious human being.

  • Amos Moses

    PRO-‘GAY’ JUDGE’S ANTI-CHRISTIAN RANT ‘CLEARLY UNLAWFUL’
    Official rebuke sought against jurist who lacked jurisdiction for ‘vitriolic order’

    Attorneys representing a Christian minister are asking an appeals court to rebuke the “defamatory statements” a federal judge unleashed when he found that federal law prevented him from continuing a damage lawsuit by homosexual activists in Uganda.

    As WND reported Tuesday, Judge Michael Ponsor issued an order granting American pastor Scott Lively a summary judgment in a lawsuit brought by a group called Sexual Minorities Uganda, also known as SMUG.

    SMUG had complained his declaration of the biblical perspective of homosexuality and his visits to Uganda caused them damage. They sued under the Alien Torts Statute, which the Supreme Court has said cannot be used for such claims.

    But the federal judge, known for his homosexual-rights advocacy, unleashed a torrent of hateful rhetoric against Lively anyway.

  • Dianne

    The film provided with this article was an excellent testimony of the saving mercy of God out of the sin of homosexuality. This man became TRANSFORMED by the renewing of his mind and filled with the Spirit of God which gave him peace and meaning in his life. I also thank the Lord for rescuing his servant out of the hand of his enemies in Uganda. Truth won the day! Praise the Lord!