Nebraska ‘Tri-Faith Initiative’ Building Church, Synagogue, Mosque Side by Side

OMAHA, Neb. — A groundbreaking was recently held as part of a Nebraska building project that will erect a church, synagogue and mosque side by side on the same property.

Temple Israel, the American Muslim Institute and Countryside Christian Church claim that they are being led by God to create the multi-faith location in Omaha.

“We believe that we are being led by our God to continue the journey started by Abraham and that we are all called to be a blessing to each other and our community,” the FAQ section of the Tri-Faith Initiative website outlines.

It says that the effort combines the three because of their shared Abrahamic faith and their belief that they all worship the same God.

“Judaism, Christianity, and Islam share a monotheistic belief system,” the page explains. “Our traditions have many names for God and use several languages for our sacred texts, but we share a belief in the God of Abraham.”

The “Tri-Faith Initiative” has been in motion since 2006, with Countryside Christian Church being the last to break ground. It held its ceremony on June 5.

“We’ve been waiting for this moment since entering into the Tri-Faith dialogue back in October 2013. It was a true leap of faith for the congregation to vote in support of relocation back then,” leader Eric Elnes told KMTV. “To see this day come is a dream coming together.”

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Temple Israel opened its new $21 million dollar facility in 2013, and the American Muslim Institute completed its $7 million mosque in the spring, opening this month. A tri-faith center is also expected to be completed in 2019, and will be used for interfaith activities.

“Tri-Faith Initiative is already sponsoring activities including speaking engagements, a children’s program, shared holidays between congregations, an annual picnic, and others,” its website outlines.

“Our mission is not about compromising anybody’s faith,” Imam Mohamad Jamal Daoudi told CNN. “We are here to learn about each other and to live as neighbors with each other.”

While Countryside Christian Church, part of the United Church of Christ, already has a building 15 minutes away from the location, it said it wanted to join the effort because it liked the concept. Elnes said that the majority of his congregation voted for the move, while some reports state that the matter divided the assembly.

“We are moving simply because we fell in love with the vision of Tri-Faith,” he said.

While some laud the initiative as a peacemaking move, others have expressed concern. The Global Faith Institute, led by Dr. Mark Christian, a former Muslim turned Christian, has several posts on its website about the matter.

“The fundamental schism in Islam between Sunni and Shia is irreconcilable and has resulted in centuries of strife and violence within Islam. The idea that a mosque exists, that is open to both sects equally; in close physical proximity and partnership with Jews and Christians, makes this project a very appealing target for extremists of all stripes who might wish to make a statement using violence,” he opined.

The daughter of billionaire investor Warren Buffet, Susie Buffet, is stated to be one of the financiers of the project, according to the Kansas City Star. Buffet is a member of Countryside Christian Church.

 


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  • Trilemma

    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam certainly worship the same God, but there do seem to be some irreconcilable differences of belief about this God.

    • Nensul

      no they don’t worship the same God , allah is not the God of the Bible, he can be traced back to Babylon as the Moon God, the God of war, and Baal . allah had no Son he sent to redeem man , allah had no Son that died so we could have forgiveness of sin, allah says to kill the infidel if he refuses to submit, the God of the Bible says to pray for unbelievers, not to kill them.

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Why are you referring to Allah as if he were some other God besides yours? “Allah” is just the Arabic word for “God.” Saying “Allah is not the same as God” is like driving to Mexico and insisting you’re in “a car,” not “un coche.”

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          allah is not the word for God in Arabic. It is a proper name. god in Arabic is إله (‘ilāh) and Allah is الله (allāh)

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Red, read, or read, reed ….. and they are all the same because they sound the same so it must be the same …….. is that your argument ………….. or that every John Smith in the phone book is the exact same John Smith and is undifferentiated …….. seriously ……. is that the kind of law you practice ….. that because the name on the warrant sounds the same ….. then it must be the same guy and we can proceed ……….. SERIOUSLY ………..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Ambulance Chaser is not comparing synonyms to homonyms. So no, that is NOT his argument and you misunderstand him.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah …. he actually is …. when he says Allah and God are the same when the word means the same thing ….. yes he is …….. because what determines it is CONTEXT …. and the God of the bible and the “allah” of the Quran ….. NOT THE SAME CONTEXT ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Plus allah doesn’t even mean god. It’s the proper name of the moon god. Ilah is how you say “God” in Arabic. It’s like Kleenex becoming synonymous with tissue. Islam has dominated the Middle East for so long that allah has become synonymous with god even though it doesn’t really mean god.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            God and Allah are different words meaning the same thing, or synonyms. (That is Ambulance Chaser’s point, at least…I happen to agree with him). You comparing hear and here are homonyms. Those are words that sound the same but have different meanings. This is why your comparison has failed.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. just because the words have similar meaning …. DOES NOT mean they are the samething ….. if i see a different “Enrico Yourfault” can i assume it is you ….. NOPE ….. cannot ….. you are in ERROR ………….

          • Enrico Yourfault

            I notice you don’t accept defeat gracefully, Amos, but the word “Allah” is just the Arabic word for God. In fact, you’ve been told that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure … whatever …… your point is POINTLESS ….. it is NOT the same God …. and ummmmmmm ……. “In fact, you’ve been told that.” ….

            and i would agree with you …. but then WE WOULD BOTH BE WRONG ………

          • Enrico Yourfault

            What is so hard for you about this? Is it the things you’ve heard about Allah that you find repellent, like the 40 virgins reward or whatever, that’s not ALLAH, that’s some people’s BELIEF about Allah which may or may not be correct.

            The word Allah translates to God.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God …. the God of SCRIPTURE ….. does not offer such things …… so if you want to believe that …… then YOU are at variance with scripture and with God ……….. your BELIEFS about God can make Him a FALSE god ….. and if you do not believe correctly ….. then there is no salvation …… a FALSE god offers no salvation …… THEOLOGY MATTERS ……CHRISTOLOGY matters ……. SOTERIOLOGY matters …… DOCTRINE matters …… ORTHODOXY matters …….

            false beliefs …… DO NOT MATTER …………. they lead to hell …………

          • Enrico Yourfault

            “your BELIEFS about God can make Him a FALSE god”

            Just think about that statement a few minutes to understand how weak it makes your God out to be, if He changes just based on how someone else thinks about Him. Does the God you and I believe in change because some Muslim believes something false about Him?

            “THEOLOGY MATTERS”
            “CHRISTOLOGY matters”
            “SOTERIOLOGY matters”
            “DOCTINE matters”
            “ORTHODOXY matters”

            Not a single one of these statements relates in ANY way to the DEFINITION of Allah/God, which is the subject at hand.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Just think about that statement a few minutes to understand how weak it makes your God out to be”

            belief in a false god is false belief ….. and the MIRROR of scripture would benefit you …….

          • Enrico Yourfault

            (Sigh) Allah is the Arabic word for God.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Enrico Yourfault is the alternate identity of Ambulance Chaser …………..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            I hope he is reading this.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Enrico Yourfault is the alternate identity of Ambulance Chaser ………….. and is your cinnamon ….. oooppss …….. synonym ……..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            No, I’m not Ambulance Chaser. But I respect him.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no …. Enrico Yourfault is the alternate identity of Ambulance Chaser ………….. its a synonym …..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Well, too bad you are wrong about that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Why ………. Enrico Yourfault is the alternate identity of Ambulance Chaser ………….. its a synonym …..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            You’re welcome to provide proof, but have you ever once done so?
            And without it you’ve got nothing. Which you have anyway, since I’m not Ambulance Chaser.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            why ………. explain to me why that is true …. Enrico Yourfault is the alternate identity of Ambulance Chaser ………….. its a synonym …..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            You got an attack of paranoia and decided I was Ambulance Chaser, that’s all. I’m not him. I have no need to pretend to be him, see? I can post here, and he can post here. And we both do, and we both tell you when you’re saying something unreasonable.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I am reading this, and it boggles my mind.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Nothing new to me, I’m afraid. After a time, the folks here turn to sock puppet accusations.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but that is not your statement ….. “God and Allah are different words meaning the same thing, or synonyms.” ….. you are saying they are the same person ….. and they are not ….. and you are fishing for a red herring ……….

          • Enrico Yourfault

            I think you will find that a synonym is a word that means the same thing as another word. Like “God” and “Allah” in this case.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Enrico Yourfault is the alternate identity of Ambulance Chaser ………….. and i will only respond to your true identity …….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i believe you are Ambulance Chaser using a different name ……

          • Enrico Yourfault

            I will take that as a compliment.

        • Nensul

          because their god is the Moon god, the god of war , He is not the same God as the God of the bible, there are many gods, but only ne that made creation and every thing in it and sent his Son to save those that are lost

      • Trilemma

        Before Islam, the name the Arabic Christians and Arabic Jews used for the name of the god of Abraham was Allah.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “Judaism, Christianity, and Islam certainly worship the same God,”

      yeah …. NOPE …………

      • Enrico Yourfault

        What’s the problem? It’s the same God. Different faiths, different names.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          nope … again …. the god of islam is not the same by any description in the Quran and the bible ….. they do not line up ……… there is a description in both scripture and the Quran that does …….. and that description is that of the Mahdi (the twelfth imam) and the anti-christ ……….. islam acknowledges Christ Jesus only as a “prophet” and not the Son of the Almighty and says God has no son ….

          so clearly not the same belief by any metric ….. only by trick ……….

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Quran 4:157 And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

          Nope …. not the same …. not even close ….. only by trick …….

          • Enrico Yourfault

            You’re confusing the deity with the way the deity is represented and interpreted in the respective holy books.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. you are confused about who Gods and Christ say they are ….. and we do not get to tell them who they are ….

        • Sharon_at_home

          Enrico I don’t think it is TBH.
          The God of the Bible is not the God of the Quran.
          They are two entities,
          The God of the bible, hates lust and fornication.
          The God of the Quran offers material things, you can check it out yourself if you see this in time. lol ”
          “So, in a sense, Heaven is a paradise filled with
          pleasures.”
          http://theamericanmuslim dot org/tam.php/features/articles/72_virgins_in_paradise/

          The Muslim site I gave you made it sound like you get slaves, each sex gets slaves. The slaves of the men are described as “We have created mates for them and made them
          virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand.” (56:35-38)

          I can’t see the God of the bible, even thinking to offer material things
          like that, instead of Heaven with him. We will be with God forevermore.
          Blessings Enrico!

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Obviously I’m not Muslim, but I think a distinction should be made between the deity and the writings in the holy books. I think the supreme being is the same in both cases but the writings on what that deity desires and how He is worshiped are primarily where the two faiths differ. My bias is towards Christianity of course believing they are representing God more accurately.

          • Devo432

            Wrong. Completely, totally wrong.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” but I think a distinction should be made between the deity and the writings in the holy books.”

            God is His word ……. He SPOKE the universe into existence ……

            John
            1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
            1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
            1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
            1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
            1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          anti-christ will appear and then establish a one world government, one world religion and a one world currency …… world leaders will all bow before him and give him their power ………. below is the belief s of islam derived from the Hadith …..

          On studying the hadith reported by the ahl al-bayt, it appears that when the world has become psychologically ready to accept the government of God and when general conditions have become favorable to the idea of the rulership of the truth, God will permit the Mahdi to launch his final revolution. He will suddenly appear in Mecca and the caller of God will announce to the world that he has alighted. A few selected individuals, whose number has been fixed to 313 in some traditions, will be the first ones to respond to his call, and will be drawn to him like iron to a magnet in that first hour of his appearance.

          At that time the Mahdi will call upon the entire world to join his movement. Those who have suffered and lost all hope that their situation could improve will rally around him and will pay allegiance to him. In a short time a vast army made up of courageous, sacrificing, and reform-seeking peoples of the world will be prepared to be led by him. Imams Baqir and Sadiq (peace be upon them), have described the Qa’im’s helpers thus:

          They will occupy the east and the west of the world, will bring everything under his command. Each one of these soldiers will have the power of forty strong men. Their hearts will be harder than iron pieces so much so that in their march to the goal should they encounter mountains made of iron they will overcome them with their inner strength. They will continue their struggle until God’s pleasure is acquired2.

          At that time, the imperious, sinful rulers, lacking any conscience yet sensing the threat, would come out in defense, calling out the oppositional forces made up of their own followers. But the soldiers of justice and reform, having been disgusted with the injustice and persecution of those evil forces, will take the ultimate decision of attacking them in unison and with total effort. With God’s help and sanction they will wipe them out. Awe and fear will descend upon the survivors who will finally surrender to the rightful, just government.

          On seeing the fulfillment of many of the signs promised in the traditions, a large number of unbelievers will turn towards Islam. Those who persist in their disbelief and wickedness shall be killed by the soldiers of the Mahdi. The only victorious government in the entire world will be that of Islam and people will devotedly endeavor to protect it. Islam will be the religion of everyone, and will enter all the nations of the world.

          nope …. you are wrong ……..

          • Sisyphus

            Change the nouns a bit and it could be the folklore of many religions, including the one adhered to by Christians.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Change the nouns a bit and it could be the folklore of many religions, including the one adhered to by Christians.”

            Change the nouns a bit and it could be the folklore of many religions, including the one adhered to by Sisyphus.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            That would be a big NOPE.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Enrico I don’t believe that the Muslim God is the same God that we follow. He is too different to our God and there is too much hate in the Quran to feel it could be the same one. It isn’t only hate for sin, or for rebellion to God, it is hate for the people of other religions. Why would God want any of us to not love anyone who is worshiping the same God? It was after Jesus was on the earth to spread the Good News. It was about loving each other. So the Quran states bluntly that Jesus is not God’s Son, even though our bible tells us God was very pleased with his “only begotten Son”. Why would God deny his son, Jesus, to anyone? If you believe Jesus is God’s son, you are destined to die according to the Quran.
            Even the stories that are in both, do not totally match the inspired Word of God. Like Jesus was born under a palm tree instead of in a manger, and there was no celebration by the Wise Men. They say they believe that Mary was a virgin but do not explain how that could have happened that I could see.
            Enrico, you should download a copy of the Quran and read some of it yourself to give yourself a more informed idea about what the Muslims believe. In today’s world of “Fake News” and how Muslims are allowed, and even encouraged to lie to unbelievers. It really helps to read it for yourself and understand the differences.

            Just their version of what awaits us after we die is extremely different.

            Paradise and Heaven are not in any way the same. Theirs is about all the things you would want during your time on earth. It is about slaves for each believer. Virgins for the men. Good looking men for the women. They will be living the lives that are of this world, rather than a life with Jesus/God. I cannot believe that God is going to allow us to feel lust after telling us it was a sin. Do you?

            So read the Quran, at least about the parts you have heard are very different that the bible. I read it when I first started in my Church. As I learned about Jesus I realized that their version of God is very different than ours.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you disagree with scripture …. K ……..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            No, only with you.

        • Mike

          Islam means peace in that they believe that there can only be peace when Islam rules the world with Sharia law. In short, Muslims believe they are warring towards world peace through force and slaughter, the same way Muhammad did.

        • Mike

          Head scarfg is a terrorist weapon against women designed by a man to make women invisible and easy to abuse or kill.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            What does that have to do with God/Allah?

        • Mike

          There is NO love they neighbor as thyself in the quarn …ONLY KILL all nonbelievers

          • Enrico Yourfault

            There’s a fair bit of killing in the Bible, too.

          • Devo432

            Old Testament. Not in the NT. Jesus never commanded his followers to kill anyone. Neither did the Apostles

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Jesus is God …. there is no OT God and NT God ….. so wrong on that point ……….

          • kenster777

            Jesus in the NT does not say Christians are to kill or defend there faith by killing.
            Matt 5:38-39, Luke 9:54-56 He has not come to destroy but to save lives.

            In old the OT we would have killed Homosexuals and Adulterers but in the NT we are to lead them to repent and turn them away from there sinful ways and lead them to the path of salvation if they will except it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. that is not what i said ….. i am saying …. IT IS THE SAME GOD ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            BTW ….. “Jesus in the NT does not say Christians are to kill or defend there faith by killing.”

            He does not say it in the OT either …………

          • kenster777

            In Leviticus 20 he tells the Israelite’s to put to Death those who committed sins that he considers an abomination. Which was to teach the Israelite’s the seriousness of sin. Same God different precept OT Laws for the Israelite. N.T Grace for the Christian to follow. Romans 6:14.
            But we as Christians are born of a different spirit. Luke 9:54-56.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. not in dispute ……… and Christ said ………. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. …………. yes we are under grace ….. but the law still stands for those not of the elect ……… nothing has changed for them ……….. and all of those laws still carry the death penalty ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Wiping out evil is justified. That’s not the same thing as jihad.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            What about Herod wiping out all the male babies?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That was not condoned in the Bible. That was condemned. Recording a piece of history is not the same thing as condoning it.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Do you really need me to provide examples of God personally killing people throughout the Bible?

          • kenster777

            In the OT testament God allowed death or judgement to be brought upon Idolaters and other sinfulness.
            But in the NT we are to teach others to repent and turn away from sinfulness before judgement will come before the return of Jesus Christ.
            Once to Die then Judgement.
            Also read Luke 9:54-56

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            God has the right to take the life of anyone He deems fit. That’s not the same as unjustified slaughter or racial discrimination as you’re trying to portray. Be careful. Your carefully laid “Christian” persona is beginning to slip under your new identity.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Are you suggesting I should be ashamed of being a Christian who is NOT ultra right-wing? Quite to the contrary. I am called to take you to task for hateful unchristian statements. There is one God. I don’t apologize for saying so.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You should switch user names if you’re going to try to pass yourself off as a Christian. Gay porn isn’t a Christian thing.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Hilarious. If you can’t take the heat for believing hateful unchristian nonsense, stay out of the discussion. Gay porn indeed!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You should change the name on your tumblr account. Then your identity won’t be so obvious.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Sure thing, Scorched Earth. Take a bit of your own medicine.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That doesn’t make sense, but keep trying.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Yes it does, and you know it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you making up stories? Is that all you’ve got?

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Aw you not doing the same thing? Tumblr, really?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Smart people know how to find it.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            And what will they find? I have never used it. I don’t even know what it is.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Everyone knows what Tumblr is.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            I never had a single reason to look into it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            what about it ………..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Ho ho.

          • Trilemma

            Jihad is all about wiping out evil.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No it isn’t. It’s about killing non-Muslims.

          • Trilemma

            The genocide in the Old Testament was about killing non-Israelites.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Killings in the Old Covenant were to wipe out pedophiles, rapists, murderers, those practicing incest, and child sacrifice.

          • Trilemma

            Same thing with jihad.

          • David Rainwater

            Clearly you determine to identify any isolated shred of evidence, however outlying it may be, to cover your chosen position. Fact is, any man who earnestly and honestly seeks Him will find Him. He is the life, the truth, and the way. If you do not find…you do not seek, but rather choose to hide behind any and every excuse you can find. The fact is while jihad currently exists, the actions of true followers of Jesus Christ are to give their lives for others, to support and love the lowly, to love their enemies even, and to love a loving God and seek His ways… Yet you cite old testament scripture a few thousand years old you do not understand to validate your point. I suppose you say the “christian” who doesn’t act Christian enough for you proves Jesus isn’t who He says, as well??? Headlines today says “Christians forgive Islamic killers” (in Egypt)

          • Trilemma

            Is Jesus the God who commanded the genocides in Old Testament?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Christ/God is the decider of everyones death … yours included ….. whether by car accident ….. medical malfeasance ….. old age ….. whatever …….

          • David Rainwater

            Trilemma, you seek to equate an all-knowing, timeless divine God with mere mortals. On the one hand…a standing mandate to indiscriminately kill all who oppose or leave a religion vs the isolated actions of God for reasons only the God of the universe would know. I think you are being disingenuous. If a person cannot see the differences between jihad and those actions then they aren’t sincerely examining the two. This really comes don to knowing and trusting God. If you know HIm, then you will know the Holy Spirit testifies ( to us) of Him…and you will know truth. Pilate asked what is truth only because he knew it not.

          • Trilemma

            I asked the question because many Christians have difficulty reconciling the god depicted in the Old Testament with the Jesus depicted in the New Testament.

            “What is truth?” is the basis of epistemology. Truth is elusive. By faith you have chosen to believe the Bible is truth. But believing the Bible is truth doesn’t necessarily make it so. You believe the genocide the Israelites committed was okay because you believe God commanded it. Muslims who commit atrocities believe it’s okay because they believe God commanded it. Just because the writers of the Old Testament claimed God commanded them to commit genocide doesn’t mean God actually did. It does not appear to be about knowing and trusting God, but about trusting a book whether it’s the Bible or the Quran.

          • David Rainwater

            Trilemma

            I understand why you ask the question. Look, there is a key difference amongst a handful of people on here and those like myself – again, it is personal experience. I just heard a worship song this morning with the line “I have seen the glory that cannot be unseen.” Some may say it is just a song…but it is not…it is personal testimony by a true follower/believer of the God of all creation who has, no doubt, been personally witnessed to by a living God (through The Holy, Spirit, the living word of God, supernatural/divine experience with God, etc.). That is why there is such disparity in the dialogue between a believer and one who has not earnestly and honestly sought the Lord. One proposes the other’s testimony on the subject is subjective opinion when it is, in fact, based on real experience. No other “religion” offers this because it doesn’t exist in a religion. And faith is just the first step. God doesn’t force us to remain there alone. It is merely one component of following and trusting in Him. Here’s a few anecdotal items: I met a guy a few months ago and I could tell something was different about him. I sent him a text a few days later and asked (somewhat knowingly) “What is your deal, man? What spirit guides you?” He replied, “Holy Spirit :)) and I smiled/laughed out loud with knowing joy because we both share the same real experience with God in our lives. Ill also add that, during my own ministry, there has been countless encounters with those from other “religions” who, while following their chosen faith still describe a longing, an emptiness, an inability to feel God. And many ho have converted from their prior “faith” and no longer feel that way. The reverse isn’t prevelant…at all. Also, countless thousands of Muslims are willing to stand against family and community with their lives in danger all because they report being encountered in dreams by God and convert to “Christianity”. Why would a god who is the same god do such a thing? Or will you dismiss their personal experience/testimony as phony? I do not rest on faith alone. I rest on the confirmation of my well-placed faith by a real and living God whose truths and word are proved out every day in my life, what I see happening all around me, and throughout all creation. The Bible promises the ability to see with eyes things that those whose eyes have not yet been opened cannot see and I have personally experienced this. A few similar, related verses/topics:
            Heb 10:14 “For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the new covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and will write them on their minds.”
            Rom 8:16 “The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.”
            1 John 5:7 “For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”
            John 15:26 “But when the Comforter (Holy Spirit) is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

            And, keep in mind, Trilemma…you arent talking here to someone who was raised Christian and walked with the Lord his whole life. I tried virtually everything before I set aside my pride, my will, my way, and submitted my life to The Lord.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So you think that 9/11 was justified? Because that was jihad. And blowing up babies in daycare? Because that’s jihad.

          • Trilemma

            Neither of those were justified. Neither were the genocides of the Old Testament justified.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            God has every right to take sinners out and to take them out how He pleases. I’m not surprised you’re defending pedophiles and rapists though.

          • Trilemma

            I’m not defending the Israelites of the Old Testament.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No kidding. I know you hate Jews.

          • Trilemma

            I don’t hate Jews, but I’m not going to defend the Old Testament Israelites for being pedophiles and rapists.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s what all anti-Semites say.

          • Trilemma

            So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin. – Judges 21:20-21 NIV

            Here Israelite men grabbed women against their will, made them wives against their will, and had sex with them against their will. These men were guilty of kidnapping, enslavement, and rape. It is not anti-Semitic to say what they did was wrong.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s a misrepresentation of what happened. You have to read the preceding chapters. The women willingly went to those dances looking for a spouse, and were taken in marriage – not in fornication – by Benjamites. Shame on you for slandering the Word of God.

          • Trilemma

            I can’t find any commentary to corroborate your assertion. I don’t see anything in the Bible that says the young woman went to these dances to find a spouse. If the men had to hide in the vineyards and then jump out to seize the young women, then it was not consensual.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Read the actual Bible, not commentaries about the Bible. Read the preceding chapters. Read the entire account.

          • Trilemma

            I read the whole account. Some Benjamite men needed wives. A bunch of Israelite men got together and came up with this idea that the Benjamite men could kidnap young women and force them to be their wives. The young women were clearly unaware of this plan.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s nonsense. You need to read the KJV or the original text. The civil war between the Benjamites and Israelites began because of rape and murder. Some Benjamites gang raped and murdered a woman, and so Israel wanted them put to death. The tribe of Benjamin wouldn’t give them up, and so civil war ensued. Afterwards, single women who wanted to get married, danced in a public display, and Benjamites were able to pick out their wives from that line up. No one was kidnapped (also punishable by death), no one was raped (punishable by death and what started the civil war) and no one was taken against her will.

          • Trilemma

            If the young women wanted to get married, then why did the Benjamites have to hide and why did the fathers and brothers of the young women complain about their young women being kidnapped?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No fathers or brothers of the women who danced complained. What in the world are you reading? Surely not the Bible.

            The Israelites had sworn that they wouldn’t give their women to the Benjamites during the civil war, and so in order to keep their vow before God, they had to come up with a way that would still honor their word but provide wives for the Benjamites. That’s why the single women who wanted to marry a Benjamite went out to dance and the Benjamites who wanted wives would go out and get one.

          • Trilemma

            The elders knew the Israelites would complain if the Benjamites kidnapped the Israelite young women.

            “It shall come about, when their fathers or their brothers come to complain to us, that we shall say to them, ‘Give them to us voluntarily, because we did not take for each man of Benjamin a wife in battle, nor did you give them to them, else you would now be guilty.’” – Judges 21:22 NASB

            The Israelites had sworn that they wouldn’t give their women to the Benjamites during the civil war so they would not have allowed their young women to go out and dance for the Benjamites in order to get married because that would have violated their vow. The only way for the Benjamites to get these young women for wives was to kidnap them without anyone knowing about it and asking for forgiveness afterward.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Fathers or brothers, not the women themselves. You need to get yourself a KJV of the Bible and stay away from commentaries, unless it’s Matthew Henry’s or Charles Spurgeon’s. You got some bad leaven there.

          • Trilemma

            All quotes are from Matthew Henry’s Complete Commentary on the Bible

            They may not bestow their daughters upon them, but to save their oath, and yet marry some of their daughters to them, they put them into a way of taking them by surprise, and marrying them, which should be ratified by their parents’ consent, ex post facto —afterwards.

            The plan was for the Benjamites to take the women by surprise indicating the women didn’t know about the plan.

            That which gave an opportunity for the doing of this was a public ball at Shiloh, in the fields, at which all the young ladies of that city and the parts adjacent that were so disposed met to dance, in honour of a feast of the Lord then observed, probably the feast of tabernacles

            These dances had been going on for years and were used as the opportunity to kidnap young women. The dances were not created for the Benjamites to get wives.

            . However their dancing thus in public made them an easy prey to those that had a design upon them,

            The young women were prey for the Benjamites. This indicates the women didn’t want to be taken.

            In strictness it was not a breach of their vow; they had sworn not to give them their daughters, but they had not sworn to fetch them back if they were forcibly taken, so that if there was any fault the elders must be responsible, not the parents.

            This indicates the young women were forcibly taken against their will as in kidnapped, then forced into marriage and forced to have sex in order to bear children for the Benjamites.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You have added your own words to Matthew Henry’s commentary.

          • Trilemma

            Matthew Henry’s commentary clearly says the women were “forcibly taken” “by surprise.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He said “IF forcibly taken” not “when”. Why do you respect commentaries more than the Word of God?

          • Trilemma

            Matthew Henry would not have said, “if taken forcibly” if the women had not been taken forcibly.

            And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. – Judges 21:21 KJV

            The Strong’s definition of the Hebrew word translated “catch ” is, “A primitive root; to clutch; hence, to seize as a prisoner:—catch.” Each of the young women was seized as a prisoner.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are playing mental gymnastics to try to argue what the Bible actually says. Why is that?

            You are choking over Matthew Henry’s use of the word “is” just like Bill Clinton strained over the definition of “is”,

          • Trilemma

            What the Bible actually says is that each of the young women was seized as a prisoner by a Benjamite. You are the one playing mental gymnastics with what the Bible actually says. Why is that?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Bible never says any of the women were seized as prisoners. Stop making things up. Direct quote:

            Judges 21Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

            21 Now the men of Israel had sworn in Mizpeh, saying, There shall not any of us give his daughter unto Benjamin to wife. 2 And the people came to the house of God, and abode there till even before God, and lifted up their voices, and wept sore; 3 and said, O Lord God of Israel, why is this come to pass in Israel, that there should be to day one tribe lacking in Israel? 4 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the people rose early, and built there an altar, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings. 5 And the children of Israel said, Who is there among all the tribes of Israel that came not up with the congregation unto the Lord? For they had made a great oath concerning him that came not up to the Lord to Mizpeh, saying, He shall surely be put to death. 6 And the children of Israel repented them for Benjamin their brother, and said, There is one tribe cut off from Israel this day. 7 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the Lord that we will not give them of our daughters to wives?

            8 And they said, What one is there of the tribes of Israel that came not up to Mizpeh to the Lord? And, behold, there came none to the camp from Jabesh-gilead to the assembly. 9 For the people were numbered, and, behold, there were none of the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead there. 10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. 11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. 12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan. 13 And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them. 14 And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabesh-gilead: and yet so they sufficed them not. 15 And the people repented them for Benjamin, because that the Lord had made a breach in the tribes of Israel.

            16 Then the elders of the congregation said, How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing the women are destroyed out of Benjamin? 17 And they said, There must be an inheritance for them that be escaped of Benjamin, that a tribe be not destroyed out of Israel. 18 Howbeit we may not give them wives of our daughters: for the children of Israel have sworn, saying, Cursed be he that giveth a wife to Benjamin. 19 Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the Lord in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Beth-el, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Beth-el to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah. 20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; 21 and see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. 22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty. 23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them. 24 And the children of Israel departed thence at that time, every man to his tribe and to his family, and they went out from thence every man to his inheritance.

            25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

          • Trilemma

            In verse 21, what is the full definition of the Hebrew word translated, “catch?”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            “to catch or seize”. Take it in context before you pretend you’re a Hebrew expert.

          • Trilemma

            That’s the Brown-Driver-Briggs’ Definition.
            The Strong’s definition is:
            a primitive root; to clutch; hence, to seize as a prisoner:–catch.

            The definition of “catch” from the Oxford dictionary.
            Capture (a person or animal that tries or would try to escape)

            The definition of “seize” from the Oxford dictionary.
            With object: Take hold of suddenly and forcibly.
            Take forcible possession of.

            Still not the consensual arrangement you would like it to be.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So if I said I caught a ball, you would assume I kidnapped it, raped it, and imprisoned it? Look, words have nuances and layers. That’s why it’s so important to take them in context. There is nothing in that entire chapter that suggests women were kidnapped, raped, and imprisoned. To suggest otherwise is crazy. You have to question why you think marriage is akin to kidnapping, rape, and imprisonment. You’ve got bigger problems than mere reading comprehension.

          • Trilemma

            The Hebrew word translated “catch” does not mean catch as in catch a ball. The word is also used twice in Psalms 10:9 to describe a predator catching its prey.

            He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net. – Psa 10:9 KJV

            The Benjamites caught these young women like a predator catches its prey.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Indeed it is, just like the word “catch” can be used to infer catch a ball or to catch a criminal.

            There is nothing to suggest the Israel sanctioned kidnapping, rape, and imprisonment since a.) that’s what they went to war over, and b.) that’s against God’s holy law, which they followed.

            Why are you so intent on veering off on a word tangent to defend your anti-Semitism on an article that has nothing at all to do with that particular part of the Bible? Why do you hate the Jewish people and Israel so much?

        • Sisyphus

          Since God is created by humans, different interpretations in an effort to reach the same goal.

          • Devo432

            Your assumption is false; therefore, your conclusion is also false.

          • Sisyphus

            Humans created god, even though your mythology says differently.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            If God were created by humans, He would cease to be God.

          • Sisyphus

            It is simply disingenuous to claim your creation of a god is not purely subjective.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s illogical. That’s like someone saying it’s disingenuous to claim your existence is purely subjective. There’s more proof for the Creator’s existence than there is for your existence.

          • Sisyphus

            You are obviously not a solipsist, but how do you objectively know you or a divine creator exist anywhere outside your mind?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How do you know that you exist? And even if you want to argue that only the mind exists (which is nonsense), how did your mind come into being?

      • Trilemma

        All three worship the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Same god.

        • Enrico Yourfault

          Absolutely correct! One God!

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          nope ….. sorry ….. the god of islam is not the same by any description in the Quran and the bible ….. they do not line up ……… there is a description in both scripture and the Quran that does …….. and that description is that of the Mahdi (the twelfth imam) and the anti-christ ……….. islam acknowledges Christ Jesus only as a “prophet” and not the Son of the Almighty and says God has no son ….

          so clearly not the same belief by any metric ….. only by trick ……….

          • Trilemma

            “so clearly not the same belief by any metric…”

            That’s what I said, same God but clearly not the same belief.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … not the same God ….. not the same description …. not the same god ……….

          • Trilemma

            Okay. Same God, different descriptions. Someone might describe President Trump as a nice guy. Someone else might describe him as a mean guy. Same president, different descriptions.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no ……….. not the same God ……… not the same description …… not even close ….. they do not act the same ….. they do not offer the same things ….. they do not speak even similar words ….. NOPE …..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God does not contradict Himself …… the Quran stands in stark contradiction to scripture ………

          • Enrico Yourfault

            The subject is God. Not the Quran.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ….. the subject is the God of scripture and the god of the Quran ……….. and if they are the same ….. and they are NOT ………..

          • Enrico Yourfault

            The subject is whether Allah and God are the same.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and they are not ………

          • Trilemma

            There are indeed contradictions between the Bible and the Quran in their descriptions of God. As I said, different descriptions but same god.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. different descriptions because they are NOT the same God ……….. God does not change …….

          • Trilemma

            By that logic, every Christian denomination worships a different god because they all have different descriptions of God.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no …. they for the most part agree on the basics …. and that is SCRIPTURE ………. and the DIETY of Christ and the TRINITY and CANON and ORIGINAL SIN and the RESURRECTION and the INCARNATION and being a NEW CREATION and ESCATOLOGY ……. ALL of which the Quran DENIES ………….

            so no …………..

          • Trilemma

            Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarians, and Oneness Pentecostals do not believe God is triune. Do they worship the same God as you?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            right … so not christians ………. they deny His part of His being …… we do not get to pick and choose the parts we want to believe ……. they are not even “christian lite” …… it is something with a christian veneer …… wood veneer does not make a thing wood …… veneer is a facade …… trying to make a thing look like another thing …… but it is not ……

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Abraham didn’t worship the moon god.

          • Trilemma

            Muslims don’t worship the moon god.

            And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah, who created them, if it should be Him that you worship. – Quran 41:37

            Muslims worship the god that created the sun and the moon, same as Abraham.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Saying that one does not worship the moon is not the same thing as saying one does not worship the moon god. How do you not see that?

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          anti-christ will appear and then establish a one world government, one world religion and a one world currency …… world leaders will all bow before him and give him their power ………. below is the belief s of islam derived from the Hadith …..

          On studying the hadith reported by the ahl al-bayt, it appears that when the world has become psychologically ready to accept the government of God and when general conditions have become favorable to the idea of the rulership of the truth, God will permit the Mahdi to launch his final revolution. He will suddenly appear in Mecca and the caller of God will announce to the world that he has alighted. A few selected individuals, whose number has been fixed to 313 in some traditions, will be the first ones to respond to his call, and will be drawn to him like iron to a magnet in that first hour of his appearance.

          At that time the Mahdi will call upon the entire world to join his movement. Those who have suffered and lost all hope that their situation could improve will rally around him and will pay allegiance to him. In a short time a vast army made up of courageous, sacrificing, and reform-seeking peoples of the world will be prepared to be led by him. Imams Baqir and Sadiq (peace be upon them), have described the Qa’im’s helpers thus:

          They will occupy the east and the west of the world, will bring everything under his command. Each one of these soldiers will have the power of forty strong men. Their hearts will be harder than iron pieces so much so that in their march to the goal should they encounter mountains made of iron they will overcome them with their inner strength. They will continue their struggle until God’s pleasure is acquired2.

          At that time, the imperious, sinful rulers, lacking any conscience yet sensing the threat, would come out in defense, calling out the oppositional forces made up of their own followers. But the soldiers of justice and reform, having been disgusted with the injustice and persecution of those evil forces, will take the ultimate decision of attacking them in unison and with total effort. With God’s help and sanction they will wipe them out. Awe and fear will descend upon the survivors who will finally surrender to the rightful, just government.

          On seeing the fulfillment of many of the signs promised in the traditions, a large number of unbelievers will turn towards Islam. Those who persist in their disbelief and wickedness shall be killed by the soldiers of the Mahdi. The only victorious government in the entire world will be that of Islam and people will devotedly endeavor to protect it. Islam will be the religion of everyone, and will enter all the nations of the world.

        • Devo432

          Wrong

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      No they don’t. allah isn’t God.

      • Trilemma

        Allah = God

        There have been many deities referred to as Allah just as there have been many deities referred to as God.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          No he isn’t. allah is a specific name of a god. It’s not the way to say God in Arabic.

          • Trilemma

            The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for “God” than “Allah.” Do these Christians worship a moon god?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That is false. There are plenty of former Muslims (now Christian) who will not say “allah”. They correctly call God “ilah” or call Him by His proper name, which is Yasu in Arabic. There is finally going to be a proper Arabic translation coming out which correctly calls God by His Name, not by the moon god name allah. It will also have the correct placement of Ishmael and Isaac in it. You do know that some so-called Christian Bibles have Ishmael in Isaac’s place and vice versa, don’t you? And of course, they are not correct. Isaac is the child of promise, not Ishmael.

          • Trilemma

            I’m sure there are plenty of former Muslims (now Christian) who will not say “Allah”. But that doesn’t change the fact there are plenty of Christian Arabs who do say, “Allah.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That doesn’t mean that the word is correctly translated. It just means that they’ve been brainwashed. There are plenty of professing Arab Christians who think Ishmael is the child of promise.

          • Trilemma

            Arab Christians used “Allah” for God before Muhammad was born.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No they did not. They used “ilah”.

          • Trilemma

            Ilah was the word they used for god, but it was not the name they used for the god of Abraham which was Allah. Rick Brown published an article on 19 October 2007 that shows the name the Arabic Christians and Arabic Jews used for the name of the god of Abraham was Allah. You can read the article at:
            wwwDOTthemicahmandateDOTorg/2009/03/who-was-%E2%80%98allah%E2%80%99-before-islam-1/

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m sorry, but Rick Brown is not a former Muslim. There is a new Arabic Bible coming out that will have the proper translation.

            See my post below for a link from an imam explaining why allah does not mean God but rather the proper name for the Muslim deity.

          • Trilemma

            Yes, I know Allah is the proper name of the deity that Abraham worshiped which is the deity Muslims worship.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you intentionally blaspheming the name of God? And why lie about Abraham who left the fake god of his ancestors to worship the one true God?

          • Trilemma

            Did the pre-Islamic Arabic Jews blaspheme the name of God when they used Allah as the proper name of the one true God?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They never called him allah. That’s another Muslim myth.

          • Trilemma

            There are physical artifacts that show it’s not a myth.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No there aren’t. There are physical artifacts that show allah is a moon god.

          • Trilemma

            Pre-Islamic inscriptions have been discovered by archaeologists in the ruins of a church at Umn el-Jimal in Northern Jordan made by Arab Christians which contain references to Allah as the proper name of God. These Christians were not worshipping a moon god.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s untrue. allah was the proper name of the moon god prior to Islam. If any inscriptions are found with allah on them, it refers to the moon god.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            To Christians, God is the creator of the universe.
            To Muslims, Allah is the creator of the universe.
            If there is a difference, what could it possibly be?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            His Name, His holiness, Who He is, Who His Son is, what He came to do, how He wants us to live. Completely different.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Completely the same, actually, since none of the things you listed are conditional on the definition of the words.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s false. You can slap a name on someone but that doesn’t mean he/she is who you want him to be.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Allah is not who YOU want him to be. That unfortunately is your issue to work out, since the words translate to exactly the same being.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Ilah is how to say God in Arabic. allah is the proper name of the moon god. Otherwise you couldn’t say, “There is no god but allah” or “, لا إله إلا الله (laa ‘ilāha ‘illa (a)llāh) – “there is no god but allah”.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            No. Dictionary dot com says: “The name for God, the Supreme Being, in the Arabic language; the common name for God in Islam.”
            Wikipedia says: “The Aramaic word for “God” in the language of Assyrian Christians is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word “Allah” to mean “God”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, I come from a Muslim family. I don’t need a website to tell me what the meaning of these words are.

            You don’t even understand your own cut-and-paste job. Dictionary DOT com’s definitions says that it’s the name for god in ISLAM. Wiki isn’t credible. Anyone can write anything there, including you. I already gave you the phrase that shows how to say “There is no god but allah”, something you couldn’t say if “god” and “allah” were the same word.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            You’re wrong.
            Wikipedia is entirely trustworthy, any time there is a dispute on it you can click on the “talk” tab on any subject.
            If Allah means God, which it does, then the phrase “There is no god but Allah” means “There is no god but God”.
            Unless you can give a distinct difference between Allah and God, you’re not going to win this one. You may not like the way Muslims attribute things to Allah, just as I’m sure they don’t like the way you attribute things to God. That’s irrelevant to the definition.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re just making up stuff at this point.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Why different words for the same thing? Because there are different languages. Even here I’m reading about people debating Jehovah, YHWH, Yahweh, etc. etc. Are you going to tell me those are all distinct as well?

            Islam’s rule for the death penalty, as I keep trying to tell you, has no impact on the definition of the word. You keep doing this, you find something the religion does that you dislike and you try to make that a reflection on the word. It doesn’t work that way.

            I could find no reference to the moon god, you are making things up here, not me.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are wrong. Here’s a Muslim site that explains how the name of allah is unique and does not refer to God in general but to a very specific god:

            wwwDOTmuslimDOTorg/islam/allahDOThtm

          • Enrico Yourfault

            It doesn’t matter. The person who wrote that is like you, wanting only to believe his own interpretation of God. The word Allah is the Arabic word for “God”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re not even trying at this point. 🙂 You know you’re just a white bread non-Arabic speaker trying to harass actual Arabic speakers. You’re going to have to try harder than that.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            You’re quite correct, I’m not trying, because I don’t need to. Your quarrel is with the dictionary, and you don’t like the fact you can’t override what it says. 🙂 Allah is the Arabic word for “God”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You mean like this dictionary reference, quoted by an imam?

            “Contrary to popular belief, the word Allah is NOT a contraction of al-ilah (al meaning ‘the’, and ilah meaning ‘god’).

            Had it been so, then the expression ya Allah (‘O Allah!’) would have been ungrammatical, because according to the Arabic language when you address someone by the vocative form ya followed by a title, the al (‘the’) must be dropped from the title. For example, you cannot say ya ar-rabb but must say ya rabb (for ‘O Lord’). So if the word Allah was al-ilah (‘the God’), we would not be able to say: ya Allah, which we do.

            Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon (which is based on classical Arabic dictionaries), says under the word Allah, while citing many linguistical authorities:

            “Allah … is a proper name applied to the Being Who exists necessarily, by Himself, comprising all the attributes of perfection, a proper name denoting the true god … the al being inseparable from it, not derived…”

            Allah is thus a proper name, not derived from anything, and the Al is inseparable from it. The word al-ilah (the god) is a different word.”

          • Enrico Yourfault

            That’s once again an opinion, and nothing to do with the dictionary.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That was a dictionary quote. 🙂

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Which dictionary? 🙂
            Dictionaries typically don’t normally contain quotations, much less opinions.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Didn’t you read the quote? Or the link? They both give you the name of the dictionary. 🙂 And the dictionary quote you used proved you wrong, too. 🙂 Funny to have a non-Arab non-Muslim try to teach an Arab speaker Arabic, and to try to correct the writings of an imam. 🙂

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Yes, Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon which editorialized far too much for it to have been a proper definition.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, it’s the standard Arab-English dictionary. 🙂 You don’t know Arabic. Give it up. 🙂

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Most dictionaries stick to simple definitions, they don’t make arguments. This really isn’t working out very well for you.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m pretty sure you don’t write dictionaries (just like you don’t speak Arabic). 🙂 And considering that your own dictionary definition proved you wrong, I’d say it really isn’t working out very well for you. 🙂

          • Enrico Yourfault

            LOL
            Thanks for the “dictionary” definition that feels the need to make a defence. It speaks great volumes about your character.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t know which part was the dictionary definition and which part was the imam commentary, do you? 🙂 Come back when you learn some Arabic.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            And every other dictionary I pointed to including the most common ones support my statement, so what have you gained by quoting a politically minded one? 🙂
            Standard old Merriam-Webster not good enough?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, why lie? Why are you following me around making up stuff? Look, I saw your posts, along with Colin Rafferty’s, on another site, bragging about how you would come here and dog me and Grace, hoping to get a reaction. You asked people to come and stalk another poster too. That’s called harassment and stalking. You’ve come back under what? your fifth incarnation? sixth? to do this. Why? Don’t you have a life?

          • Enrico Yourfault

            You did? Well then, it should be very easy to post the site that contained my bragging, shouldn’t it? Just the name of the website will do. We wouldn’t want it to look like you were, oh, I don’t know, LYING, would we?

            I WOULD advise you to be very careful though, because we know what God thinks of bearing false witness. I would also advise you to be very careful because just for amusement I googled the name “Enrico Yourfault” and found precisely nothing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure. It’s on Newser and you wrote it under the handle you were previously banned under. (And Newser banned both you guys for stalking Christians there too).

          • Enrico Yourfault

            A swing and a miss. Never been to that site and never used another name, why are you making unsupported guesses?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Keep spinning.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Enough of this. Your accusations will be reported from now on.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, your stalking has been reported. You’ve been banned from here multiple times and brag about it on Newser.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Only in your fevered imagination, troll. I bet you make accusations like this often.

  • Barefoot

    Yeah, but Temple Israel and Countryside Christian are not front groups for terrorists.

    The religious left is so gullible. The Episcopal and UCC churches stupidly assume that if they cozy up to Islam, they won’t get beheaded. The two most liberal and pro-gay churches in America are idiots if they think they can coexist with Muslims.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      The AMI is a front for terrorists? You should alert the FBI. Be sure to bring all the evidence you have gathered on them.

      • Sisyphus

        Omaha is a very diverse and progressive city relative to other mid-western metro areas, very low crime rate and a strong economy. The only “terrorist” like crimes in the past 10 years have been committed by disaffected “christians”. All Faith’s are free to worship their version of god and, believe it or not, refugees are welcomed and we all get along. Sort of refutes the ethnocentric xenophobia of a few frequent commenters here.

        • Devo432

          Omaha is leftist in other words. Christians and Muslims do NOT worship the same god. This is not a Christian church.

          • Lexical Cannibal

            very low crime rate and a strong economy

            Omaha is leftist in other words

            Yeah, that sounds about right 😀

          • Sharon_at_home

            Lexical, how do you make those blue lines appear for the copied post? I’d really appreciate knowing, if that’s alright?
            Blessings!

          • Lexical Cannibal

            Surround whatever you’re trying to quote with the html tags “” and “” with no period marks. it’s important to end it with that last tag, or disqus won’t know to stop quoting.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Thank you very much. I’ll be sure to give it a shot soon, I expect.
            God bless!

          • Beautiful Beige

            AMEN!

          • Sisyphus

            Omaha is progressive, and many of the moral and upstanding citizens reject religious mythology, but we also afford the freedom to worship for all that find their existential meaning in religion.

          • David Rainwater

            It sounds as though you are more concerned with everyone feeling good about what they choose as oppose to the pursuit of actual truth…a trademark of progressivism. Is not truth the highest pursuit in thought?

          • Sisyphus

            If an objective Truth existed, or we could know it, you may have a point.

          • David Rainwater

            Sisyphus, I appreciate your reply and the nature of it. This is obviously where you and I disagree. I was once like yourself but have been set free. That isnt meant to slight you…only to state a fact about me. Pilate only asked what is truth as he himself did not know it. As Jesus said, “if the Son shall set you free then you shall be free indeed.” Once a man drink from a well, you will not convince him it doesn’t exist.

          • David Rainwater

            Sisyphus, I appreciate your reply…and nature of it. Obviously, this is where you and I disagree. I, like you, once thought this but have been set free. This isn’t meant as a slight to you…only to state a fact about myself. Pilate asked Jesus what is truth only because he knew it not. Jesus said, “if the Son sets you free you shall be free indeed.” This is not a statement of theory but one of fact for any and all who earnestly and honestly seek Him (the truth). You will surely not convince a man who has drank from a well that said well doesn’t exist.

          • Sisyphus

            I appreciate the rational tone in a reasonable reply from you, however I am not at a point where I accept Christian scripture as a source of Truth. Although, life is a circuitous path, and I won’t completely rule that out.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            How do you propose people find “actual truth” in matters of faith? It seems to me everyone chooses the one that makes them feel good.

          • David Rainwater

            Enrico
            I can only respond to this based on my own personal experience and the experience of those I know…
            I believe, initially, the sincere, earnest pursuit of God is one of two things: 1) a recognion of one’s own sin and deceitful nature (mostly self-deception/pride/idolatry) and 2) and subsequent step of faith (God says anyone who sincerely and earnestly seeks Him will find).

            However, after a step of faith God does many many things to reveal, prove, and teach. My “faith” is proven well-placed by the actual evidence He has produced in me since I first tested/trusted His word. I have found Him to be the faithful one. I’ll throw one more thing in here…once a persons eyes are opened by God you see evidence everywhere from nature, to history, to everyday life. No other explanation for our existence can provide this so consistently and inherently. Back to my first point, though. As I said to Sysiphus earlier, you will surely not convince a man who has drank from a well that said well doesn’t exist. The real question is, if I tell you the well I just drank from is “just right over there”, will another man even bother looking?

          • Sharon_at_home

            I liked your post David. You used your experiences with God to help others understand, and that is the best way to help them see. It takes belief in God and His Grace and Mercy, and too many people do not truly believe cannot see the beauty in the world around them to know Him. Thank you for that.
            God bless!

          • RealHistoryChannel

            Sharon
            I am thankful for your presence and your kindness. You are blessed with mercy, patience, perseverance, and kindness/gentleness. Your time is well-invested. BTW, where did Enrico go? It seems his posts have been deleted?

          • Sharon_at_home

            Enrico was often standing up for his faith and beliefs. He seemed to be starting to get angry with some of the other posters, but I don’t think he got mad enough to be banned. Maybe he left to keep his faith strong. I took a break for a while to build mine when I was
            going through a heavy discussion and needed a boost of God. Maybe he will be back.

            I appreciate your words very much. It was a very welcome, and unexpected vote of support. I can always use a burst of support now and then. I realized at some point that the people I can reach may never be obvious to me, and it made a difference to my posts, I think, but I believe there is never enough encouragement to do a good job.

            Thank You, and God bless. I hope we will find something to discuss at some point.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            The only problem with what you say David is that a person could have exactly the same experience you did but they might be Buddhist. Or Muslim. Or Jewish. Or anything else. All people of faith believe that they have the one, true, correct faith and we have to see what a logical issue that causes.

          • David Rainwater

            Enrico
            I appreciate the manner of our dialogue. I believe you have stumbled onto one of the strongest cases for the “Christian” faith: personal experience and encounter with God. In my experience, I do not meet persons of other faiths with personal accounts of authentic and intimate relations with God. On the contrary, they describe a feeling of longing and seem to still be searching for God…though many do get pleasure from their religion. I suppose a person could slightly better themself through some religious devotion, but that is a far cry from a personal encounter and intimacy with the God of all creation. I am very involved in ministry and see large numbers of conversions and transformed lives (evidence) of converts to Christianity by Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists (not as many), Jews etc but the reverse isn’t prevelant.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Our belief should be far more than a “feel good”. Everything that is Truth, is in the scriptures Enrico. You must discuss these things to find out the Truth, if you do not already know it.
            Our belief should be a strong firm faith that created the desire to repent for our sins, so we could have the Hope of Salvation, and to follow Jesus with our behaviour and our dealings with others.
            When people disagree with things of faith, there should be a discussion to find out where the difference is, and to look to the scriptures only, to find the answers. If it is not in the Bible, it is not Truth.
            How long have you been with your church, Enrico?
            I was wondering what is your faith is too, if you don’t mind saying?

          • Enrico Yourfault

            I am Lutheran. And have been since birth.
            My point is not to get anyone to turn from their faith, but to accept that everyone gets taught pretty much the same thing, that their faith is correct and the others are wrong. I have always had a problem with that.
            In the end, I do believe we go with the faith we feel best about, and that is what I mean when I say “feel good”.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Maybe it’s because you were born into it.
            My experience with God has been what drew me to the church that I go to. It was not something I had kept looking for after visiting 2 other churches a couple of decades ago. But when I started at the church and looked back, with some discussion with people I realized the steps that I took over years to end up in the church. For me there was no ‘feel good’ there was a definite path to lead me to the church. I felt God’s presence when I was there the first time. I felt him tell me that I was “home now” and I’ve also heard him say my name twice. No one else was close enough to speak in a calm quiet voice when it happened, I did not even know that God would talk to people like that at the time. Just my name. two times.
            So no I did not begin my journey in my church because of the “feel good” it was more like a feel AWESOME and like there is no other place that could help me like my church could to learn the gospel. It was well beyond a “good feel” and has not changed over the years. Many people have said they feel God’s presence at our church.
            If that is what you have been taught by your church, then you should stick with it as long as you are happy that what the scriptures say match what they say in your church. The Word of God is the only way to confirm any church’s beliefs. If they are not from the scriptures it is a questionable belief. To follow Jesus is only to stay with the scriptures with every thing anyone ever tells you whether it’s your church or someone here.
            You are responsible for your own salvation. No one is able to aid in any way because it is only between you and God. So everyone should verify their beliefs with the bible. We were told to check every word against the Word of God to know if it is true. We cannot expect others to do it for us, we must do it ourselves.
            Thanks for giving me the information about your religion Enrico. Stay firm in your faith. Keep spreading the gospel and correcting our sisters and brethren when they are slipping. Talk about how you view the faith that you follow and let others know it too.
            That is our duty regardless of which religion we belong to, when we follow Jesus. Talking on the board will help others to learn so they can follow Jesus too.
            The main thing is to keep shining our lights no matter what others say to us, or about us. We are expected to behave like Jesus did when he was persecuted, right? We are the ones that need to keep our heads during the ‘discussions’ about our faith, because we can’t expect others to do it the way we should. So don’t take any bait from anyone, it might be a lion looking for someone to devour.
            I’m really glad you are here. We don’t always have to agree on everything as long as we agree that our duty to Jesus is to spread the gospel. And I have gotten the impression that you are very strong about doing that.
            I will never discourage you from following your own faith, but I will try to help you see if there is something I have learned that will help you with your salvation. But I will never insist you do anything more than listen to what I say. Then it is totally up to your how you deal with the knowledge, or if you are going to bother. All I want is the ability to discuss the differences, and learn about each others so we can be more like Jesus in every way and bring more people to their Salvation.
            Sound good, Enrico?
            God bless you brother!

          • David Rainwater

            Enrico
            You are right, just because everyone is taught their religion is right doesn’t mean all are right…BUT it doesnt mean all are wrong. Man creates religions and faiths, God is who He is. And His word is…just the same. It is like those not-very-well-thought-out coexist bumper stickers. The faiths noted on the sticker are in contradiction with one another. That leaves only a few possibilities for truth (assuming truth is the objective – which it isnt with the people who apply those stickers btw): Either they are all wrong or one of them is right. Yes, we can coexist as far as respecting anothers right to believe whatever they choose…but we should, as a people, be more concerned for discovering actual truth…not just getting along. Religions have done a disservice to God and are a distraction from one’s actualization of/grasping Him personally.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Well the problem is still ascertaining the truth, isn’t it? We do our best in determining that for ourselves given the information we are given, but we have to keep in mind all the time the other faiths may have gotten something right which we did not. In fact most people of faith, in an effort to be the most correct, will often state that they stick strictly to Bible teachings. Well and good, but we can see how there is STILL an incredible amount of division because Christians using the VERY SAME WORDS of the Bible still find themselves at odds. It’s very, very difficult and a balancing act.

          • Sharon_at_home

            The “Actual Truth” is what our belief is in the bible. What God inspired as our bible, is what we believe is “the truth” because God is omnipotent and cannot tell a lie, as man can. That is why we should always check out the scriptures when we are told anything about what the scriptures say. We cannot rely on others, we have a personal responsibility to ensure our own Salvation. No one else can influence whether we are given Salvation. God is the only one who can see our hearts and how we were while we were on earth; whether we showed our light and whether we brought people to learn about Jesus. There are a list of 5 crowns we can receive in heaven, in the scriptures.The Crown of Righteousness; The Incorruptible
            Crown; The Crown of Life; The Crown of Rejoicing; and The Crown of Glory and those are what we are to strive for as we strive to be as Holy as we possibly can be, (no man will ever attain that, but we are supposed to be “Holy, as I am Holy”) There are various places on the net that can direct you to the scriptures and help you understand what they are about, but remember to always confirm what you read by checking the scriptures. Never take it for granted the scriptures they refer to are not from a bible you prefer, and are not consistent with the Word of God. I’ve seen sites with totally different scriptures about what they are “teaching”.

            I don’t want you to change your faith, Enrico, ever. I just want to help you and others to understand the gospel so they can have salvation by doing what Jesus wants us to do. When you don’t agree with something I say, I’d love to discuss it with you because what you say may help me with my salvation. God gives us many ways to have what we want, and leads us to where we will be given help and information. He also leads us to places where we can help others.

            Each of the Christian churches are to attract the different needs of His people. Everyone should able to understand the gospel in a way that it touches their heart and desire to repent and receive the Hope of Salvation. God let the people split from the religion so more people could be reached. If people disagreed with a church doctrine, and they still had a doctrine that followed Jesus, why wouldn’t he let them split? Many people would never come to Jesus and Salvation if there was only one church. I went to 2 others before finding the church where I belonged.

            It’s when we can’t discuss our differences that it becomes a problem, as “the Fundies” do. We need to be open to other views of the bible, because there is far too many things hidden in scriptures that we can learn. All it takes is missing one Sunday to miss a lesson about a scripture, but if we listen and confirm what the another person says in the scriptures, and read the whole context of any given information or views, we can make an informed decision about what the scriptures say.

            That is what a Christian who is earnest for Salvation is supposed to do to strengthen your faith, in God. When we pray for wisdom and knowledge before we read the scriptures, the Lord will help us understand them, and he will let us see a significant way something is being said when you read the same scripture for the 100th time, that you may not see until that time. It’s almost like another piece of the puzzle is in it’s place. There are some people who cannot see the scriptures meanings at all, but if you can’t work out (interpret) the meanings, how do you understand what it is telling us?

            Enrico, please understand that I do not know your previous devotion methods or understanding when I write this. It is to make sure you do know, and it is to tell the silent posters who might not know about it. I did not mean any offense to you at all. Please let me know if I did offend so I can avoid it in the future.

            God bless Enrico. The weather is beautiful right now. We live in the same area I believe.

        • Beautiful Beige

          For how long?

      • Beautiful Beige

        Are you serious? That would be a waste of time.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Why?

          • Beautiful Beige

            Are you not aware that these ABC agencies in the USA are not what they used to be? But are now staffed with men of different moral persuasion. It’s time to wake up. You may have a new President but the Civil Service largely remains the same.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That doesn’t answer my question, and if it did, it would still be a completely unsupported assertion.

          • Beautiful Beige

            You need to go and chase some more ambulances buddy. Are you awake? What do you think the FBI would do about this when they have not even locked up Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder or Barack Hussein Obama. You must be smoking something my brother.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Because apparently, according to you, there is some evidence of terrorist activity. Which I’d still like someone to present. Until that happens, you’ll actually be correct: the FBI won’t do anything.

  • Becky

    They’re different, but the same…in that they’re not serving the One true God of heaven and earth and everything in it through Christ our Lord and Savior.

    Temple Israel doesn’t accept Christ (1John2:23).
    The American Muslim Institute…it’s Islam…need I say more.
    The Countryside Christian Church…they claim Christianity, but are they’re not doing the will of the Father (Matthew 12:48-50). They follow the teaching of the RCC regarding the rejection of the seventh day Sabbath, one of God’s commandments, which He commanded his people to keep forever as a sign between them (Ex 31, Jer 31:31-33).

  • Nensul

    That way they wont have to walk as far to kill each other……

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Christians don’t kill but live and let others live by bringing the life-saving message of the Gospel of Saviour Jesus Christ.
      The atheists massacre the believers or anyone who does not comply.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    An apostate project. Christians should stay away. God has manifested Himself as Triune. II Corinthians 13:14. Peace comes by knowing Jesus Christ and believing Him as the Savior and Lord and by nothing else. John ch.14-17.

    • Gigi

      Are you still pretending to be as Asian woman, “Grace?”

    • R.C. Gerber

      And the Christians in this case need evangelism to be reminded, obviously.

  • Mike

    “Muhammad — peace be upon him — believed in peace, social justice, womens rights…”

    An insensitive attempt to silence opposition to Islamic intolerance, but serves as an hypocritical irony that can only be broken down by the fundamentals of Islam.

    1. Muhammad believed in peace

    We whole-heartedly agree with this claim — as long as it’s referring to how peace is defined in the Quran. Allah commands Muslims to be “forceful against the disbelievers, peaceful among themselves.” See? Islam means peace…as long as you convert to Islam. However, even then you must adhere to strict and inhumane Sharia law, lest you be beheaded. The same sword that smites the infidels is good for the back-sliding believer.

    In Quran 2:191, Allah reminds that the acceptable punishment for those who “reject the faith” is continuous war and slaughter. Although Muslims attempt to twist the meaning by citing 8:61, which states that if an enemy wants a peace treaty, Muslim must oblige them and live in peace. However, they fail to disclose that this treaty can be revoked at anytime for any reason, as Muhammad displayed when he slaughtered the peaceful, unsuspecting Banu Qurayza Jews with whom he had made a treaty.

    Islam means peace in that they believe that there can only be peace when Islam rules the world with Sharia law. In short, Muslims believe they are warring towards world peace through force and slaughter, the same way Muhammad did.

    2. Muhammad believed in social justice

    Social justice is a catch 22 in Islam. Certainly, every human being has equal rights under Islamic law, which equal no rights. But many forget that Islam considers non-Muslims as subhuman. However, even Christians and Jews may be offered protection from immediate slaughter, so long as they pay the crippling jizya for choosing a different faith over Islam, although the limited protection jizya offers can also be revoked at any time for any reason.

    Although Islamic law is intended to rule over all faiths, it is insufferable for unbelievers. For reading a Bible, one might have their hand chopped off or be imprisoned for life. For leaving Islam, death is the only appropriate punishment, as Muhammad commanded.

    Again, the definition of justice is not at all the same definition that Westerners who live under democracy think of, but this is just another example of effective taqiyya to fool the ignorant unbeliever.

    3. Muhammad believed in women’s rights

    For those of us who’ve studied the Quran and Hadith, this claim is so laughable it isn’t even funny anymore. Because the Islamic books contain so many inexcusable crimes against women, it’s much easier just to list them off with their appropriate reference.

    Husbands should beat their wives. No, this is not a twist of scripture. All transliterations of this Quranic scripture say either “beat” or “strike.”

    Men may have sex slaves, as long as they aren’t Muslim women who are still married to another Muslim man. Muhammad himself took the most beautiful sex slaves for himself after battle, one of whom he was having sex with when one of his wives caught him in their bed.

    Muslim women get half the inheritance that a male heir does. In cases of non-Muslim women, they are considered slaves, so they shouldn’t even be afforded an inheritance.

    A (Muslim) woman’s testimony accounts for half that of a man. In cases of rape, if a woman cannot provide three male witnesses, she is considered a lying adulteress and punished as such. If a woman suspects her husband is committing adultery, she must provide four male witnesses to prove his infidelity. The burden of proof always falls on the woman.

    Women are to be treated as livestock. Muhammad preached in his final sermon to his followers that women “are like domestic animals with you and do not possess anything themselves…Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely.” Need we say more?

  • james blue

    Gosh Atheists could have so much fun just reading the comments on this one. They don’t have to write a word..

    • Lexical Cannibal

      It’s pretty good for pagans, too!

      *munches popcorn*

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Christians, Jews, and Muslims are monotheistic.

    Christians and Jews worship the same God. Muslims do not.

    • Trilemma

      Jews do not worship Jesus. They do not believe God has a son. Same as Muslims.

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        Jews worship the Father — the same Father we Christians worship. That’s my point.

        • Beautiful Beige

          It can’t be the same Father if they reject the Father’s son.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Bible says that Jehovah is Jesus and Jesus is Jehovah. That’s the great mystery that has been revealed in the Word. That’s why, when the veil is removed, all of Israel shall be saved.

          • kenster777

            The correct spelling in the Hebrew is YHWH not jehovah.
            The Word Jehovah does not exist in any Hebrew text.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There are no vowels in the original Hebrew text, so YHWH is why it appears that way. Whether you prefer Jehovah or Yahweh or Yehowah, it still refers to YHWH. YHWH is Jesus Christ.

          • kenster777

            It was added by the Apostate catholic church to make it more easier to read also the Jehovah’s witnesses who do not believe in the deity of Christ use it.

            The God fearing Jew’s before Christ were afraid to even say his name and just referred to him as Adonis or Lord.
            The Lords name should be revered and not substituted to please man.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It appears in the KJV of the Bible, which is hardly a catholic thing, nor was the KJV based upon the catholic text. That said, my point remains that YHWH is Jesus Christ.

          • kenster777

            Yes YHWH but not Jehovah which is a man made word.
            I didn’t say that KJV was catholic but the word Jehovah has its origins from Catholic translators

            The
            pronunciation “Jehovah” rests on an erroneous understanding of the
            writing system of the Masoretes that resulted in the combination of the
            vowels of Adonai and the consonants “YHWH.” Scholars trace the actual
            word “Jehovah” and its spelling to anywhere between the 1100s and the
            1500s AD. The Anchor Bible Dictionary states:

            The misreading of the text to form the word “Jehovah” is usually traced
            to Petrus Galatinus, confessor to Pope Leo X, who in 1518 AD
            transliterated the four Hebrew letters with the Latin letters JHWH
            together with the vowels of Adonai, producing the artificial form
            “Jehovah.” (This confused usage may, however, have begun as early as
            1100 AD). (“Yahweh,” Anchor Bible Dictionary, vol. 6, 1011)

            While not denying the possibility of Petrus Galatinus’s role in
            promoting the use of “Jehovah,” The Catholic Encyclopedia traces its
            origins further back:

            Drusius [a sixteenth-century professor of ancient languages]. . .
            represents Peter Galatinus as the inventor of the word Jehovah, and
            Fagius as its propagator in the world of scholars and commentators. But
            the writers of the sixteenth century, Catholic and Protestant (e.g.
            Cajetan and Théodore de Bèze), are perfectly familiar with the word.
            Galatinus himself . . . represents the form as known and received in his
            time. Besides, Drusius . . . discovered it in Porchetus, a theologian
            of the fourteenth century. (“Jehovah [Yahweh],” The Catholic
            Encyclopedia, vol. 8)

            Scholars disagree as to who coined “Jehovah,” but they agree that it is a (human construct) (i.e., not an authentic pronunciation of “YHWH”). And
            though “Jehovah” is a common pronunciation, it is not as accurate as
            “Yahweh.” The Catholic Encyclopedia states:

          • Beautiful Beige

            You obviously are not the reading the same Bible as I do. Be blessed.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Are you reading the KJV? If so, have a look at John 5:8 .Jesus Christ is there declaring He is the great I Am.

          • Beautiful Beige

            When you speak of Jehovah it instantly conjures up “Jehovah’s Witnesses”. I call my Father in Heaven — Abba Father. Yes Jesus is God. You apparently want to argue and I refuse to argue over Scripture. End of story.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            To me it doesn’t, but I read the KJV and think only of God in those terms, not in terms of what some cult does.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Actually Beautiful, Guest is into discussion more than arguing. But when it comes to both sides not being able to agree on something, it can become like arguing.
            I find some people do not read the scriptures the way I do, so a discussion about the scriptures can actually be a lesson to us. It might help someone who is a silent poster (up votes, just reads, never comments) to understand who God can be for them. For me, this board is a way to reach out to others both of faith, and of questioning faith. It’s ok if we don’t agree as it will always be that way, but by discussing it, we are opening eyes we can’t even know about.
            I pray every time I have posted that something I have posted has made a difference to at least one person. That they will learn something that will change their questions to belief.
            Blessings!

          • Beautiful Beige

            That is just awesome Sharon. I post to witness too. However my time is limited and my health does not permit me to sit down for long periods of time. Therefore, when the Holy Spirit tells me that’s enough. It’s not going anywhere and it’s going to cause more harm than good I desist. Blessings.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Always good to obey both the Lord and our bodies limitations.
            Bless you for the reply. I pray you will be healed by the Lord so you can bring more people to Salvation.
            God bless! (get some rest!)

          • Beautiful Beige

            God bless you too my sister. Shalom!

          • Sharon_at_home

            God blinded them to the truth. It’s in the scriptures.

          • Beautiful Beige

            Amen Sharon. More and More that becomes obvious.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Beautiful, it is the same father, it is shown in the OT that he favored the Jews over all other life. But when Jesus came, the plan of Salvation was the intent. He took our sins and died for them. Everyone’s sin. Not just the Jews. It was made to look like the Jews did not believe he was the Messiah, so they rejected him including the “Son of God” idea. In the scriptures it told us at least once that God had blinded them to the truth. That would have been necessary so they would want Jesus crucified. That was done to reconcile man to God. To give us all the Hope of Salvation who follow Him. If the Jews had realized that Jesus was the son of God, they would not have allowed him to be crucified, and the Hope of Salvation would have been lost to us. It was also the fact that they refused to believe it, that the Gentiles were included with the Hope of Salvation. Otherwise Gentiles would not have had any hope.
            God had to make them blind to Jesus’ truth so the prophets could be shown as speaking the truth, ( and being killed for it) Everything had to come into alignment to allow for the things to happen because of their purpose.
            Some Jews do believe in Jesus, and I believe they refer to themselves as the Jews for Jesus and have a website about it.
            I think the best way to know that anyone is an anti-Christ is the fact that we know he is coming on the clouds. I do not expect an anti-Christ will do that.
            Blessings Beautiful! (I love your name!)

          • Beautiful Beige

            Thank you Sharon. It was a song that was written about me when I was a teenager! Before I met the Lord. Yes, I agree with everything you have to say. What is happening now is that most of the people in the world are once again becoming blinded — many of them turned over to a reprobate mind and then the Great Delusion because they refused to believe the Truth. And most importantly the “god” of this world has blinded people so they would not accept the Glorious Truth of the Gospel. So many in the valley of decision. So many on the way to hell.

          • Sharon_at_home

            It must have been a beautiful song. Blessings!

          • Beautiful Beige

            Thank you! It was. It was written by a visiting band from the USA to my island. The name of the band is the Cowsills. I just looked up on You Tube but they just have one or two songs their — too many years ago!!!!

          • Sharon_at_home

            oooo The Cowsills were one of my favourite bands back in my youth! The Rain the Park and other things, and Indian Lake – oh yeah now there’s a memory. That’s a good memory so Thanks Beautiful! I love to smile and to give my smiles away. It’s a pleasure to make your acquaintance. Hopefully we’ll be able to discuss things so we can give others the foundation to the bible’s beliefs, and bring some more to Jesus. We have such an Awesome God!
            Blessings!

          • Beautiful Beige

            What a coincidence. I just happened to come across “Christian News” by chance yesterday of course NOTHING is ever by chance. It is by Sovereign Decree!! I will try and sign up to get notifications so we can meet again.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’ve been praying for support Beautiful, and He has delivered it to me. lol. Now lets see what we can do here together, Blessed Sister! Looking forward to it.

          • Beautiful Beige

            God is awesome. I have signed up so I trust it will come into my e-mails.

            Be Blessed as well!

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        The Jews worship Jehovah. Jehovah is Jesus. Also, the Church is a Jewish movement.

        • Trilemma

          Jews do not believe Jesus is Jehovah. Same as Muslims.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You mean like Peter, Paul, and James? Those Jews? Or Dr. Michael Brown? How about Sam Nadler? Come on, Jews believe in Jehovah. Muslims and Jews do not worship the same deity. Shame on you.

          • Trilemma

            I’m talking about religion, not ethnicity. Dr. Brown may be ethnically Jewish, but his religion is not Judaism. People whose religion is Judaism do mot believe Jesus is Jehovah.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            First of all, Judaism isn’t a race. it’s a religion. Anyone can convert to Judaism. Hitler tried to prove there was a Jewish race but could not. Second of all, Dr. Brown, Sam Nadler, and other Messianic Jews are not only Jewish, but they are more Jewish than those who don’t recognize Messiah. Jesus Christ Himself is Jewish.

          • Trilemma

            People whose religion is Judaism do not believe Jesus is Jehovah. If someone whose religion was Judaism believes Jesus is Jehovah then their religion is no longer Judaism. It’s either Christianity or some sort of strange hybrid religion. If you believe Jesus is God then He can’t be Jewish.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re incorrect on all counts. Messianic Jews practice Judaism. Jesus Himself says He is Jewish and He says salvation is of the Jews.

          • Trilemma

            Messianic Jews need to make up their minds and either practice Judaism or Christianity. They can’t do both because Jesus said you can’t put new wine into old wine skins.

          • Enrico Yourfault

            Messianic Jews = Fundamentalist Christians.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You need to read Galatians. There is no difference.

          • Trilemma

            For freedom Christ has set us free; stand
            firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. – Gal 5:1 ESV

            Messianic Jews continue to submit themselves to a yoke of
            slavery to the law of Judaism.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So you think that Jesus Christ followed slavery?

          • Trilemma

            Yes, to set the captives free. Messianic Jews have rejected that freedom.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Free from sin. Messianic Jews are not in sin. Why do you hate Jews so much?

          • Trilemma

            I wasn’t talking about sin. In Galatians, Paul is talking about freedom from the Law.

            Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. – Gal 3:23 ESV

            Do Messianic Jews abide by all things written in the Book of the Law?

            “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” – Gal 3:10 ESV

            I do not hate Jews at all.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So what do you make of Paul keep the law? And Jesus Christ?

            “Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. ”

            Acts 21:23-24

            “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”

            Matthew 5:17

          • Trilemma

            Paul went along with those demands in order to keep peace with the Jews so he could reach the Jews. In 1Corinthians 9:22 ESV, Paul said, “To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some”

            Matthew 5:18 ESV says, “For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” The Law has been abolished because all has been accomplished. On the cross, Jesus said, “It is finished.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Jesus’ sacrifice and work on earth was done, but not what you surmise. Why would He say He didn’t come to destroy the law and then do just that? Logic, Trilemma, logic.

          • Trilemma

            The Israelites wanted to make Jesus king but if He allowed that to happened, then the Law and the prophets would have been abolished because that is not what they described the Messiah as being or doing. That’s why Jesus said He was not going to abolish the Law and the prophets but to fulfill. Next, He said that the Law would be abolished when all was accomplished, which happened on the cross, which is why Paul said this.

            For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, – Ephesians 2:14-15 ESV

          • maxine

            I will try once again. Jesus did fulfill the Law. He did not destroy it. What He did destroy was the sentence of death standing against all of mankind due to sin. Through His holy life, death, burial and resurrection He satisfied the penalty of death for all who believe on Him.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem to be misunderstanding my posts. Perhaps you should re-read them?

          • maxine

            The Bible tells us that the Law was our taskmaster. It taught the way of holiness and righteousness which was required by God. Because it is impossible for man to keep the whole law, God instituted the ritual of bringing two perfect lambs or goats as a sin offering. Once a year the priests symbolically laid upon one the sins of the people which was slaughtered and blood was shed – the other was sent out of the city to demonstrate how the sins of the people were cast off and away (as far as the east from the west) -a perfect picture of the sacrifice of Jesus that was to come.

            Because not one person could keep the whole law, Jesus came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it in our place. A perfect love we can’t even begin to understand. Since the penalty for breaking the Law is death but keeping it (which it is impossible for us to do) is life, Jesus Who is sinless and had fulfilled the Law was the only one qualified to pay our penalty (like the perfect lamb) thus making us free from the law of sin and death (demonstrated by the scapegoat which was sent away). All who believe on Him and His sacrifice and resurrection are a part of the Church – Jew or Gentile.

            Yes, Jesus was a Jew and His Gospel presented first to the Jews but very soon after the Gentiles became disciples. We are all one…there is neither Jew or Greek, bond or free, male or female – we are all one in Jesus Christ. PTL

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem to be misunderstanding my posts by what you are posting. Are you sure you don’t want to re-read mine?

          • maxine

            You are absolutely right. I seem to have gone off on a tangent. : )

          • El oso

            There you go again!

          • Bob Johnson

            Total Jewish population around 15 million people
            Messianic Jews 350,000 people

            So less than 3% of Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah.

          • El oso

            What do you mean “then he can’t be Jewish” Are you powerful enough to say what the Devine can or can not do.
            As sure as the G-d and Father of Abraham lives you need to repent.

          • Trilemma

            Jews are human. God isn’t.

        • Beautiful Beige

          You are misinformed.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Have you not read the Bible? Do you not know Bible history?

          • Beautiful Beige

            It can’t be the same Father if they reject the Father’s son. This is part of a thread Guest. Not only what you said but what other said before you. I have said that none of those “religions” can be Christian because they reject the Son of God. There is only ONE WAY TO THE FATHER and that is through the Son. Jews do not accept that. Glory, on day they will. Muslims recognize Jesus or Jehovah as God.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Some Jews today do recognize the only Way to God is through His beloved Son, Jesus Christ. And you are right, one day, they will, praise God!

          • Beautiful Beige

            Amen!

          • Sharon_at_home

            “Muslims recognize Jesus or Jehovah as God”
            No they do not recognize Jesus as anything more than “just a prophet”, They do not believe God has a son, and that Allah chose Muhammad as the “last prophet” and that he is higher than Jesus to God.
            There are some stories that match our bibles to some extent, but they are always different in some way.
            When Muhammad went into the desert and was hallucinating from having no water, no food, he thought it was the Angel Gabriel, but it was not. It was Satan. He was still hallucinating when he went back home, and actually tried to jump off a cliff because of what had happened to him. Does that sound like it was an Angel from God to you? He was said to be stopped by the spirit that he had spoken to, and tried multiple times to commit suicide. I don’t think anyone who was touched by God would want to die before obeying what he told him to do. God always puts a way to escape from our trials when he give us them. There is no reason to want to die (except to be with God) but a great desire to fulfill our destinies.
            If it was God, there would never be any hate. Jesus did not say to hate the people who turned away from him, he said they would regret it on Judgement Day. God only ever hated the people who rebelled against him, but when Jesus came to earth, he taught us to love everyone. Not just believers, but unbelievers too. Sinners. People of the world. He did not say to love everyone except… he just said everyone.
            The Quran teaches them to love each other, but to hate the unbelievers and to kill them.
            There is very little to compare between the Quran and the bible once the Abrahamic stories are told. Muslims also believe that the Christians corrupted the bible and the Quran was supposed to be the “true” story.
            I sincerely doubt that Allah and God of the bible are the same spirit. They just do not sound like the same God in my view after reading some of the Quran and knowing the bible.
            The muslims that follow the Quran without the hadiths etc. are good people with a lot of the same qualities as Christians, and are very family oriented people. I find them quite nice to know and be friends with, but if they go by the hadiths, they are said to be a “different’ kind of Muslim because of those beliefs.

          • Beautiful Beige

            That is correct. However, they not only just do not know the same God. The know a small g god which is in Scripture referred to as Satan. The Jihad, Hadith behaviours are nothing short of Satanic.

        • maxine

          Orthodox Jews worship Jehovah but reject Jesus Christ as their Messiah and the Son of God. Thus they are still waiting for the appearance of their Messiah. Fortunately, there are Messianic Jews who have had their eyes opened to the Truth and have accepted Jesus as their Messiah. Though these are Jews by birth, they are now part of the Church. (The Bible says the wall of partition will be broken down and they – Jews and Gentiles – will be one people.)

          That does not change the fact that the Jews are God’s chosen people and the world must be careful how they treat them. The day at the end of the Tribulation is when the Jews as a whole will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah and say ‘Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the Lord.’ Until then we are still warned that those who bless them will be blessed and those who curse them will be cursed.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            When the veil is removed they will see that the Jehovah they worship has been Jesus all along. However, there are some observant Jews (like some Chassidic Jews) who are starting to worship Jesus.

      • Beautiful Beige

        In respect to most of what you wrote you are correct but to put Jews on the same level as Muslims if blasphemous. Muslims, Buddhists, Shintos, Hindus and we could could go on for quite a while do not believe either in a God or that God has a son but for the most part they are peaceful and do not commit the atrocities that Muslims do. It is not a bias on people of other religions it is facing the reality that Muslims are instruced by their Q’Uran (get a copy and inform yourself) to destroy “infidels” any one who does not revere the Prophet Mohammed.

        • Trilemma

          For the most part Muslims are peaceful and do not commit atrocities.

          • Beautiful Beige

            Well Trilemma, you and other people of your persuasion are going to be in for such a rude awakening. I trust you will remember my words in the not too distant future.

          • WM1

            And many more like him who, apparently, cannot comprehend the true nature and teachings of Islam, civilizational jihad, Sharia law which command the total subjugation of infidels/kuffars.

            You are absolutely correct when you allude to the ‘not too distant future.’

            The masses, who are deceived by Allah (Satan), will be confronted with the choice of their lives unexpectedly. Convert to Islam or die.

            It’s been that way for 1400 years. Only the naive believe anything has changed since then. Islamic doctrine, surely, has not!

          • Beautiful Beige

            Sad by true WM1 and all because the majority of Americans have told God to “Get Out”.

          • WM1

            That’s the true source of America’s cancerous and terminal disease. And, yet, she still refuses to repent.

          • Beautiful Beige

            Amen my brother/sister; Amen.

          • Paladin Roy

            Amen. They chant saying “peace out” meaning to cast the Prince of Peace out of their lives. And so it shall be.

      • mamabear111

        Jews do believe in Yeshua, just that HE has not come yet

    • Beautiful Beige

      Jews in part worship the same God but they rejected Jesus the Messiah. They are still God’s people and one day coming soon they will accept Jesus. Muslims believe in a “moon god” an idol.

    • Sisyphus

      And, out of the thousands of gods humans have created, you just happen to know which one is the correct one?

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        Why yes I do — because while you’re right about humans creating many gods, only one God created us! Go to the Catholic Church. He is there.

        • Most likely you believe it because, just as others around the world and believers in other religions, you were taught from childhood to believe it. Your argument is precisely an argument a Muslim might give to “prove” his religion is the only one, or a Hindu, or a fundamentalist Jew.

  • FoJC

    There is only one Faith, one LORD, one Spirit, one Church. The continued perversions of reality are on the increase, but I guess these three belong together: A fake Christian organization center, a Messiah rejecting Jewish center, and a pagan religion center. It actually makes logical sense, since none of these places are affirmed by God, the Creator.

    Come LORD Jesus, come!

  • sagat

    The model of the classic antichrist church i am sure he will love it when he comes to rule the earth when the children of God are gone

  • G Leslie Sweetnam

    What a collection of bigoted, shameful, literalist, uninspired posts. You folks don’t seem to believe in one God, unless it’s the one on your own pathway. I shake off the dust from my sandals. I won’t be back.

  • RUKiddingme?

    This is what the Anti-Christ is all about. A new One World Religion. You can see a prelude of what is coming during the tribulation. Christians need to stay away from this “church” Begin to pray for the lost and keep your head up. The Rapture of the Church is very close now.

  • Bob

    Obviously the so called “christians” involved have forsaken the Word of God:

    “For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds (2 John 1:7-11)”.

  • mistershinola

    All it takes is one Jihadist to upset the apple cart. My Tri-faith Unit is Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
    mistershinola

  • The strongest walls ever built by human beings are constructed with bricks baked in the fires of exclusive religious dogma and held together with the mortar mix of xenophobia, religious certitude and self-righteousness, against which the most powerful cannonballs of reason cannot even dent.

    And yet, because some believers possess a strong sentiment of empathy and a higher quality of reason unfettered by fear, they left their impenetrable citadel and built their own citadels, throwing open their gates to others who wish to learn more about them and they to learn more about others.

    To those remaining within the impenetrable citadel, those who left (became moderates) are apostates–not real Christians, or not real Muslims or not real jews.

    There is a tenet in the Bible: “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:31, KJV.

    This tenet exists in many religions. It was espoused by the ancient sages. It exists, as well, in secular humanism. It is called the Golden Rule; Do unto others as we would have others do unto us. I call this “benevolent reciprocity.”

    Those who are advancing the Tri-Faith Initiative are demonstrating their stronger faith than those who remained, huddled with fear, within the impenetrable citadel. They do not fear the views of the others. While the rest of the world cries out en masse for world peace, this initiative is actually working toward that end.

  • The Mohicans

    Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through him, PERIOD! The muslims don’t believe that Jesus Christ is GOD or GODS Son. The pope, allah, mohammed, confusious, buddha or a priest can’t get you to Our Father in Heaven, JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY WAY. WAKEUP and lookup for your redemption draweth neigh, Amen Praise OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, METATOUTO MARANATHA!

  • Joe M

    All I can say is “BAD IDEA!!!” Christian Church and Jewish Tabernacle will work together…….Islam has nothing in common with them!

  • Paladin Roy

    Beware !!!! Satan is being transformed into an “angel of light”. For some reason the story of hanzel and gretel is coming to mind.

    … But when these fall, even God will laugh at their calamity !!! There is no way and no Scripture supporting the mixing Light with Darkness.

  • Paladin Roy

    Proverbs 24:21 ¶My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
    22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?