Planned Parenthood Gives Away ‘Safer Sex Supplies’ at San Francisco Homosexual Pride Events

Photo Credit: Planned Parenthood North California/Facebook

SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. — The Northern California chapter of Planned Parenthood recently gave away “safer sex supplies” at various homosexual pride events in the San Francisco area, and marched in this past Sunday’s pride parade, according to its website and Facebook pages.

“Stop by our table at the following San Francisco Pride events for free safer sex supplies, swag and more,” the organization wrote on its website, citing its presence at this month’s “Trans March” and “Dyke March” in Dolores Park, as well as the two-day Civic Center Celebration on Saturday and Sunday.

Planned Parenthood North California also posted photographs on its Facebook page of the various volunteers—some wearing “proud” t-shirts—who assisted the organization with stuffing the kits at a local bar.

“Volunteers came out to help us stuff safer sex kits and organize all the awesome swag we give away at San Francisco Pride. We prepared almost 5,000 items!” it wrote. “The event took place Virgil’s Sea Room who offered our supporters a drink discount to keep them hydrated.”

The organization had also called for supporters to join them at the June 25th pride parade, and said that it had such a large response that it had to close registration early.

Video of Planned Parenthood’s part in the parade shows a rainbow-decorated trolley proceeding down the street, with a banner advertising the group’s services, such as sex education and hormones for gender transitions. Some walking behind the trolley also held signs lauding that the organization offers HIV and STD testing, or carried general “I stand with Planned Parenthood” signs.

According to Planned Parenthood North California’s latest annual report, the organization’s largest service to the area is sexually transmitted disease (STD) testing, followed by the provision of contraceptives.

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It also outlines that the chapter had over $46 million in operating revenue, which includes $19,027,017 from the California Office of Family Planning, $15,402,400 from Medi-Cal, Medicare and Title X, $1,075,553 in government grants, and $6,733,099 in contributions and private grants.

“We are committed to dismantling all attacks on reproductive rights and justice, including those that disproportionately impact LGBTQIA communities, immigrants and any groups that face barriers to quality care,” the report states.

1 Corinthians 6:13, 18-20 reads, “Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. … Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore, glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.”


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  • Enrico Yourfault

    I see no issue with this. They are realistic enough to know that people are going to have sex no matter how much they are told not to, and so they go about making it as safe as possible to do so.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    /SMH ………….. double face palm ….. triple face palm ……. eyeroll …….

    i am not going insane …… i am going sane in an insane world …………..

    • zampogna

      Show me on the doll where this story hurt you.

    • zampogna

      Safer sex and avoiding disease is offensive to you?

      • MCrow

        It’s an absolutist thing. You may recall a while back there was an outcry when clinics started to give out free sterile hypodermic needles, the obvious reason being heroin addiction causing a lot of diseases to spread. The accusation was that it was promoting the addiction by providing means.

        In this case, sex in the Christian faith is viewed as wrong in any context outside of marriage. So, by giving away contraception, they are promoting sex outside of marriage. It’s the same reason abstinence only education exists.

        You can debate whether either of these practices promotes the behavior or simply makes it safer for those who participate, but this is me coming from a very rural town with a lot of Christian influence

        • zampogna

          The thing is, even in the most Christian of towns, teens have sex. It really doesn’t seem to matter how Christian you raise them to be. Abstinence education while well-intentioned really doesn’t work very well.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            one does not become a christian because one was raised or born into it …….

          • zampogna

            Really? That’s how I became one. Same with everyone I know.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then one of two things are true …… you either really are not one …. or your understanding of how it occurred is not correct …… God/Christ picks us …. we do not pick Him …….. we are predestined to be christians ….. it is Gods choice and not our choice ……….

          • zampogna

            I think practically everyone on earth would disagree with you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then they disagree with the scriptures …. not me ….. and they disagree with God …… not me ………… because that is what scripture says ….. not me …..

          • zampogna

            You join a religion. It doesn’t join you. And you can unjoin it, and join another one. Ad infinitum.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. God has predestined those to whom will follow Him as christians …….. before the foundation of the world was laid ………. now what you say is true …. you have a certain limited free will ……. but there is no jumping in and out of christianity …….. if you do … you were never one to begin with except as a label ……..

          • zampogna

            That’s a lot of bold statements considering you don’t know the first thing about me, or anyone else here.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i am not talking about you …….. i am talking about christianity and how it works according to scripture …. according to how God/Christ has said it works ……. you brought yourself into the conversation ……. now we can put you aside …. no problem ……. but that still leaves the understanding of how a person becomes a christian ………. and what scripture says about it …….

            if you want to abandon this conversation …. fine with me …… but you are making some fundamental assertions about what christianity is and is not …….. and what we are talking about has far more reaching consequences than you or i ………..

          • ZappaSaid88

            So God predestined certain folks as Christians and will knowingly send the rest to Hell through no fault of their own because they can’t become Christians. That’s evil.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have free will ….. right ………. a limited free will but you have it … right ……

          • Sharon_at_home

            It is not limited – where the heck is the scripture that states it gives us limited free speech. The way you read the bible “without interpretation” is just so wrong!
            I want the scripture please, that states that we have limited free will when we are Christians. Book, Chapter and verses please.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are not free to be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive and to leap tall buildings at a single bound …… you are not free to be greater than God …… you are not free to do any number of things …… you are not free to breathe under water on your own ……. it does not have to be in scripture ….. it is OBVIOUS ……

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “you have free will ….. right ………. a limited free will but you have it … right …… so you are free to choose God ….. right ….”

            CRICKETS ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
            1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
            1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
            1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
            1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
            1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
            1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
            1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
            1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
            1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

          • zampogna

            Right.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            glad to see you changed your mind ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            “the forgiveness of sins” This can only be done by repentance and not doing the sin again. If you don’t repent, you will not be saved. That is why it is called The HOPE of Salvation. And it is not just the predestined that are going to be allowed their salvation. If someone follows the gospel, and does what Jesus told us to do, how to behave, and avoids sin, or repents for sins. Prays continuously. They will be one of the ones to go, and it is always by choice, not only by predestination. You make it sound like God has not offered salvation to everyone, but only those God picks, and that is not what Salvation is for. It’s offered to all, and God gave us our free will to follow (choose life) or not to (choose death). So anyone can be given the hope of salvation, it’s up to them to choose how they want to live, whether to follow Jesus as a Christian, or not to. Even you had to mentally accept what Jesus has to offer, even if you were not aware of doing it. You had to choose to be a Christian with Christian beliefs – and you even had to choose what Church doctrine you wanted to follow. You really should read the gospel again with understanding to see what you are missing about how God wants all of us to be like HIM, and not the angry one you seem to favor the image of Christ as. I keep telling you that we are supposed to make sure our brethren are going on the right path to salvation and you just keep ignoring the Word of God. I pray for you regularly for God to open your eyes and let you see the error of your ways. I hope you do before the end. I truly do.

            Blessings!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “This can only be done by repentance and not doing the sin again.”

            so you make a new law …… and that law you are making is ” …… not doing the sin again.” …. men SIN ….. saved men SIN ….. and until man obtains his GLORIFIED body and his FLESHLY BODY is shed …… HE WILL ALWAYS SIN ……… BUT ….. Christ died for ALL of those sins ….. past, present and FUTURE ……. because of our repentance ……….. and our coming into agreement that it is SIN …………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            I DO NOT “make us scriptures or laws” and I’ve asked you to stop making me sound like I am not using scriptures and am misleading others. Just because we disagree does not mean I am not a follower of Christ.
            God allowed us to create the different religions so that more people can be reached. Not everyone will listen to one church, but with several denominations they will bring many more to salvation than if there had only ever been one church.
            So just because there are other denominations with different views on what the bible says, and every one seems to insist that theirs is the “right” way, just like you do, it does not mean that any of the Christian faiths are inherently wrong, just that God realized the limitations of what one denomination would be and He wanted more people to be reached.
            It is not Christian to be rude to other people anyway.
            No No No, I asked for your scripture first and you have not given it to me, not only that but you gave me what you interpret it as, so I need the scriptures to see whether I agree with how you interpreted it.
            Question: Do you think that once you have repented for your past sins once (hopefully during baptism) that you don’t have to continue to repent for your sins? That Jesus died so we would not have to repent after we have been born again?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Just because we disagree does not mean I am not a follower of Christ. ”

            but when you follow rules and think that is salvation ….. then that is only a Pharisee ….. not a christian …………..

            “God allowed us to create the different religions so that more people can be reached.””So just because there are other denominations with different views”

            not what scripture says ………. 1Cor 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

            “I asked for your scripture first and you have not given it to me, not only that but you gave me what you interpret it as”

            again ….. BTW ….. there is ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURE that you have unlimited free will ……….. if so …… BOOK,CHAPTER AND VERSE please ………

            ” Do you think that once you have repented for your past sins once (hopefully during baptism) that you don’t have to continue to repent for your sins? That Jesus died so we would not have to repent after we have been born again?”

            repentance is a continual and lifelong activity ……. if we happen to miss one …. we are still saved ….. but repentance is not saying we are “sorry”, “oopps, sorry for that one. I made a misjudgement””well that was a mistake” ….. it is a complete agreement with God as to what is SIN and our guilt in sin ……….

          • Sharon_at_home

            Oh good you know about repentance, but you don’t seem to realize that repentance is much more than just oops sorry, in the first place. It is a solid belief that sin is wrong and should not be done, but because our God knew our flesh could not stop ourselves from sinning, he desires us to recognize our sins and repent for them always. God will justify one or two sins you have not repented for with a good reason for your committing them.
            He won’t forgive sins that have not been recognized. Even the baptism of water is just about repentance. IT IS the baptism of repentance, meaning your sins are forgiven as long as you repent. There is no salvation for anyone who continues to sin without repentance regardless of whether you are “an elect” or not. God will not allow evil in heaven, and a sinner without repentance is considered to be damned to Hell.
            Learn your gospel
            If you can’t give me scripture saying that our free will IS LIMITED, I want to see it. You did not provide scriptures to prove that we CAN’T use our free will for anything. That is what I asked about initially, not about what I said, but what you said.
            I think you should talk to someone about repentance again, because if you think you can not lose salvation, I am very sorry for you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “If you can’t give me scripture saying that our free will IS LIMITED”

            you cant give me even one that says it is UNLIMITED ….. and you will not find the phrase “free will” in the KJV …… or most likely any other translation ………. so we are left with the observable …… and it is as i said ….. you do not have an unlimited free will ……….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I think you should talk to someone about repentance again, because if you think you can not lose salvation, I am very sorry for you.”

            AGAIN … you are at VARIANCE with the scriptures ……. “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened””and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God””If they shall fall away” …. and that is a VERY BIG “IF” ………… as Christ has said ….. He shall not lose EVEN ONE that belongs to Him ………

            Hebrews
            6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
            6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
            6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
            6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
            6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
            6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you will not find the phrase “free will” in the KJV ….. it is not there ….. so your assertion that it is unlimited ….. falls ……

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Searching for ‘free’… [58 refs]
            Searching for ‘will’… [2856 refs]
            [2 refs in combined list]
            Searching for string ‘free will’… <——-
            [0 refs in combined list] <——– ZERO RESULTS …..
            [range is Gen1:1-Re22:22] < ——– the entire range of scripture …..

            Version: kjv

          • Sharon_at_home

            “free will” the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one’s own discretion.”

            1. 1 Corinthians 10:13
            13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

            He will allow you to be tempted to sin to test your faith in God, but he won’t stop you – if you are trying to avoid the sin, and are having trouble resisting the temptation, IF you ask Him to help you, God will give you a way to step away from the sin and you will no longer be tempted by it [at that time.] You will have claimed victory over the temptation and give the Glory and the Honor to God our Father in heaven. But it still comes down to you choosing whether to give in to the temptation or not.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …… no mention of “free will” ……… and the scripture is not in dispute ….. what is in dispute is your INTERPRETATION ……… you are ADDING to the scripture …….. in this passage ….. it is GODS will that is being played out ….. “But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.” … that is GODS will …….

          • Sharon_at_home

            “free will” the ability to act at one’s own discretion.”
            John 7:16-17
            16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
            17 IF ANY MAN WILL DO HIS WILL, , he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

            If any man will (chooses to) do the Father’s Will. Again, it is with our Free Will that we do the Father’s will. Some people do it, and some people don’t, but everyone has the ability to choose what they want to do.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again ….. NOTHING in John about “free will” ………… and the word “free” does not appear in the scripture you sited ….. you are again ADDING to the scriptures …… and BTW …. if it is the Fathers will …. then it is NOT our will ……….. “IF ANY MAN WILL DO HIS WILL” …. expressly NOT our will …………..

            “but everyone has the ability to choose what they want to do.”

            never was in dispute …… what IS in dispute is the LIMIT of free will ….. and you have picked the UNLIMITED position …… and you have NO SCRIPTURE ………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            You just won’t accept that we have free will, will you? I can give you scriptures to show that he wants us to CHOOSE for ourselves to follow him. Being allowed to Choose is the equivalent of Free will, so try searching for choose. Every thing in the bible that is about choosing to follow God is about our free will.
            Again, interpretation is NOT adding to the bible.
            Interpretation: the action of explaining the meaning of something.

            Or :an explanation or way of explaining.
            You see, it’s about explaining it, not changing the meaning of. You should be able to understand that since you too use interpretation for understanding the scriptures. You do it all the time when you explain why we are wrong, or when you try to prove you are right. Just saying anything about scripture – more than just the words of the scripture – is an interpretation of the scripture. You do this too, and yet you tell me when I explain something that I am adding to the scripture. NO I AM NOT. I am explaining. There is a HUGE difference. By explaining it to each other (our views about specific scriptures) we can open more understanding of them. We need to interpret them to understand them. There are many subtleties that can be missed easily if you do not understand what they are saying.

            When they said “if any man do His will” is saying that it is God’s desire for us to follow his ‘will’, but by saying “IF ANY MAN DO” it is saying that we have to choose to do God’s will, not that he will impose it on us. God’s will is ours to choose to follow or not to. He tells us what he wants and we either do it, or don’t do it. He will not MAKE us do his will, he wants us to choose to follow him, not to be made to follow him. I’m sorry if you can’t see this but I pray you will open your mind to it. Any time I interpret a scripture, I suggest you go read it for yourself, so you can see it for yourself. I do not ask you to change your mind without giving an explanation that is in the scriptures. It’s all up to you. But, unlike you, I will say this. My religion is not the “right” religion for everyone. Your religion is not the ‘right’ religion for everyone. IF there is a “right” religion no one will know about it until the end of our days. There must be other religions to bring more people to salvation because the “ONE CHURCH” did not give the people what they needed. Each church is a part of the whole body of Christ. There would be many more people who would never have found Jesus if there was only one church. Especially since the “ONE CHURCH” was split off of, because of disagreements about what the scriptures say. The Lord wants everyone to come to repentance, and Salvation, not just the one church of people, everyone. With your belief that you are “one” of the elect, you make it sound like God chose only so many people, and that is not what the scripture says. He wants everyone. Therefore, with the way you look at it, everyone is an “elect” because God’s will is that everyone is included in the hope of salvation. So don’t think you are “special” to God, because no one is special to God more than another. Besides, being proud of being “one of the elect” is a sin. Pride.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You just won’t accept that we have free will, will you?”

            do you even understand the concept of LIMITED ……. i have never said there was no free will ………. it is LIMITED ……….. and you cannot find the phrase “free will” in any scripture …… but lets look at a scripture ….

            1Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
            2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
            2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
            2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
            2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
            2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
            2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

            the unregenerate “natural man” cannot know God or the things of God because he is SPIRITUALLY DEAD ……….. and they are foolishness to him ……… all men know God exists …… but he is LIMITED by his unregenerate nature ……… and unless and UNTIL God intervenes and REGENERATES him ….. he NEVER WILL ……. as it is foolishness to him … he will never choose righteousness ….. it is foolishness to him …… he will always choose sin ….. because that is his nature ………… to be dead in trespasses and sins ……..

            you are supposed to be a saved person ………. then let me see you FREELY CHOOSE to be a cannibal and consume human flesh …….. let me see you use your UNLIMITED FREE WILL to walk out your front door and sprout wings and fly ……….. LIMITED ………. let me see you REJECT the things of God/Christ and your salvation as part of YOUR FREE WILL ……….

          • Sharon_at_home

            Philippians 4:8-9
            8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest,
            whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise,
            think on these things.
            9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me,
            do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

            It is our free will whether to choose to do the things we have “LEARNED, and RECEIVED, HEARD, and SEEN in Jesus,
            Those are some of the things that we he wants us to [CHOOSE TO] DO them and God will be with you and give you peace.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            says nothing about unlimited free will …. says nothing about free will ………. says nothing about free speech …… you are adding to the scriptures ……

          • Sharon_at_home

            Oh dear, I should have said we are to TRY not to do the sin again. and repent every time you fail, until you stop doing that sin anymore.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            fine ….. but that still only makes us Pharisees ….. not Christians and not saved ……….. man is not capable of not sinning …………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            No he is not able to not sin, but he is able to TRY not to sin, and always Do you not understand why Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites? They taught the students of the laws the laws with more burden than necessary to the students, but did not live the life of a true Jew themselves. They said to do as I say, not as I do. That is extremely clear in the scriptures.
            Seriously, do you think we do not have to repent after we’ve been ‘saved’?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Seriously, do you think we do not have to repent after we’ve been ‘saved’?”

            Absolutely ……….

            (cut/paste)
            The Pharisees weren’t rebuked because they were “legalistic”….

            “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. (Matthew 23:23 ESV)

            Here, Jesus does not rebuke them for tithing from their spice rack. He rebukes them for not being legalistic enough. They ought to have been tithing from their mint, dill and cumin – but they were following only part of God’s law and not all of it. And although we are not under the ceremonial law of Moses, we are under God’s moral law as the spirit of his revealed righteousness. Calling someone a ‘pharisee’ because they strive for personal holiness is rebuking them for something for which Jesus never rebuked the Pharisees.

            The Pharisees weren’t rebuked because they were concerned with doctrinal purity…

            The only problem is, Jesus never faulted the Pharisees for being doctrinal purists. He faulted them for being false teachers who abandoned the truth of God’s Word in favor of the erroneous word of man (Matthew 16:11–12; 15:1–9; Mark 7:6–13).

            Jesus called Christians who demanded doctrinal purity “disciples,” not “Pharisees.” “If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31–32) In fact, Christians who demand doctrinal purity are really following the example of Jesus, of Paul and the other Apostles (Matthew 7:15; see also Matthew 24:10–11; Mark 9:42; 2 Corinthians 15:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:21; 1 Timothy 4:16; 6:3–4; Titus 1:7–9; 2:1, 7–8; 1 John 4:1; 2 Peter 3:17).

            Caring about doctrine, in other words, does not make someone a Pharisee. Being wrong makes them a Pharisee.

            The Pharisees weren’t rebuked because they weren’t zealous enough about evangelism…

            Again, as Issues, Etc. references the same…

            Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. (Matthew 23:15 ESV)

            The Pharisees were evangelical, but they didn’t have the right evangel. It seems the Pharisee’s concern for doctrinal purity had no negative impact on their zeal. Again, the Pharisees were condemned because their doctrine was wrong – not because they cared too much about doctrine.

            The Pharisees were rebuked because they were in doctrinal error and promoted religious self-helpism.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You pointed it out that it was a copy and paste, but you did not reference where you copied it from.

            What on earth are you doing quoting an ESV bible? It is an interpretation of the Word of God!

            I’d like to know the document and site you found this on, please.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You pointed it out that it was a copy and paste, but you did not reference where you copied it from.”

            so what …….

            “What on earth are you doing quoting an ESV bible? It is an interpretation of the Word of God!”

            you are conflating “translation” with “interpretation” ………. WRONG …………. and again … so what …..

            “I’d like to know the document and site you found this on, please.”

            cut and paste into google will bring it up ….. but it is from pulpit and pen ……..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” And it is not just the predestined that are going to be allowed their salvation. If someone follows the gospel, and does what Jesus told us to do, how to behave, and avoids sin, or repents for sins. Prays continuously. They will be one of the ones to go, and it is always by choice, not only by predestination. ”

            we ARE NOT saved by our acts ….. there is NOTHING we can do to ADD or SUBTRACT from salvation …… we have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to offer ….. and our good acts are nothing but FILTHY RAGS to Christ ………

            SCRIPTURE says we are predestined ….. so what you are saying is against what the scriptures say …. Ephesian, John 10, Romans 9 and many other passages …… so that would be a NO ………….

            it is impossible for man to not sin ……. to THINK to call another “fool” is the sin of murder ……… so says Christ ……..

            Matthew
            5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
            5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
            5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

            ever go to court and raise your right hand and swear an oath ….. you have SINNED …. so says Christ ……..

            Matthew
            5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
            5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:
            5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
            5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
            5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

            have you EVER looked at another with lust ….. to THINK or have lustful THOUGHTS of another ….. that is SIN …. it is ADULTERY ….. so says Christ ……..

            Matthew
            5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
            5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

            man is NOT CAPABLE of NOT doing these sins …….. Christ has made the bar to heaven HIGHER …. NOT lower …… and the only entrance to heaven is through Him …………..

          • electedbyHim

            What Amos is saying is Biblically correct, it is found in the OT as well as the NT. Human pride say I can accept salvation.

          • zampogna

            It is demonstrably false, unless you also want to make the claim that Islam chooses its followers.

            The faith you adopt has a lot to do with geography. If Christianity calls people to it, why has it called a disproportionate amount of white people?

          • electedbyHim

            It is obvious that you have not studied soteriology.

          • zampogna

            It’s not relevant, this is a matter of geography. Where you were born largely dictates the faith you will adopt.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            lots of people in islamic countries are converting because they heard the gospel ……. so that would be a NO ………….

          • zampogna

            And lots of people here are converting to Islam.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yep …. so you blow another hole in your theory ………. and it has little to do with geography ……….. and it has to do with whether God intervenes actively or passively …..

          • zampogna

            No, I was blowing a hole in YOUR theory that God calls people to Christianity but somehow Christians still convert to Islam.

            Funny also that most of the people born in India are Hindu. Nothing to do with geography, huh?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. christians do not convert to islam …… they never were to begin with ……… again ….. the VENEER of christianity does not make you a christian …… being called by God to Christ does …………..

            “Funny also that most of the people born in India are Hindu. Nothing to do with geography, huh?”

            nope … many Hindus are called by God to be christians ……….. and the thing is …… GOD had them born where they are ……. GOD had them born in all those countries ………. GOD had you born where you were born ……. and every other person through history …… and WHEN in history ……………

          • zampogna

            Christians convert to Islam. Many.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … they never were christians ……….. they were pretending to be christians …. but they were never called …………

          • zampogna

            Very convenient for you. Someone stops being a Christian and you say they were never one to begin with.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … SCRIPTURE …… scripture says it …. has nothing to do with me ……….

          • zampogna

            Not buying it. You guys play this same game with televangelists, there are millions and millions of followers who will prostrate themselves for a televangelist who passes himself off as a true man of God, then he gets caught in a sex scandal and suddenly it’s “oh he was never a true Christian to begin with”. But he sure had you convinced before, didn’t he?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            SCRIPTURE …… not “you guys” …… SCRIPTURE ……….

          • zampogna

            Well, you are not interpreting scripture correctly then.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have not “interpreted them” at all ………. that is ADDING to scripture and that makes it NOT scripture …… we are FORBIDDEN from adding to scripture ………. we do not have any authority to alter Gods words ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Then you should have a scripture that says what you just posted, right. Please let me see this uninterpreted scripture, again, book chapter and verse. I have always provided the scriptures you wanted, and you have not posted any I have except ones that are not showing what you are saying as the only way to behave. Like an angry Jesus. SMH
            Scriptures please. Or I will have to question where you are getting this idea and insistence that you are always the one who is “right”.
            Thank you!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Then you should have a scripture that says what you just posted, right.”

            ONCE AGAIN … and this is about the FOURTH OR FIFTH time it has been given to you …..

            Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Galatians 1:8-9, 2 Peter 1:19-21, Revelation 22 18-21

          • Bob Johnson

            “Or I will have to question where you are getting this idea and insistence that you are always the one who is “right”. ”

            In the past we have spoken of Torquemada’s Law. Again Amos’ words bring this to my thoughts.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “Torquemada’s Law. When you are sure you’re right, you have a moral duty to impose your will upon anyone who disagrees with you.”
            Well Bob, when you are right you are right!

            Blessings!

          • zampogna

            No, interpreting doesn’t mean adding. It means how you come to understand something.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Thank you. I’ve tried hard to get him to interpret that and he does not understand it. I appreciate that you reminded him of the same thing!
            How else can you understand what God wants from us? How he wants us to be like him (Jesus). He doesn’t understand these things because of his belief that interpretation is adding to the scriptures. We mus keep trying though, and who knows, maybe you will get through to him.
            Blessings!

          • zampogna

            I don’t know where he ever got that idea.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Galatians 1:8-9, 1 Peter 1:19-21, Revelation 22 18-21

            1 Peter
            1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
            1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
            1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “How else can you understand what God wants from us? ”

            you have nothing God/Christ needs …….. how can you not get that ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Romans 13:11-16
            11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
            12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and LET US PUT ON THE ARMOUR OF LIGHT.
            13 Let us WALK HONESTLY, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
            14 But PUT YE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and make NOT PROVISION FOR THE FLESH, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

            THIS IS WHAT JESUS WANTS US TO DO FOR HIM.
            He wants us to “put on” the Lord Jesus Christ. TO BE LIKE HIM

            The armor of Light. Behave properly. And not to sin.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and again …. you are ADDING to scripture ………. says nothing about “being like Him” ………

            so lets look at it WITHOUT YOUR “interpretation” ……….

            13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
            13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
            13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
            13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

            Christ does not need our good works …… your neighbor does …… Christ does not need or want us to do ANYTHING for Him …… He wants us to do it for US ….. and we put on Christ when we have SALVATION and REPENTANCE in Christ ………. because Christ is our covering before the Father ………. and when the Father looks at us ….. He only sees His Son ….. NOT US …………….not our sins …..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Nope, can’t do this again. I will not keep knocking heads with you about this.
            You have been blinded so you cannot see the truth.
            YES he wants us to do it for us!
            It is OUR choice to do them and he gives us that choice.
            Amos, you really have to get over your belief that you are the ONLY one that knows what the scriptures say.

            You should also admit that what you said in this post is YOUR INTERPRETING God’s Word.

            You don’t understand why God devised this plan to offer us salvation for repentance of sin, do you?
            Tell me why God would choose to devise a plan to offer us salvation for repentance of sin.
            Why did he want to offer it to us, when he could create anything he wanted, smite us all and start all over again. whatever he wanted to do he could do it,
            BUT He decided to devise a plan to have Christ die for our sins.
            Why bother making up with all the sinners at that time, instead of creating new people, and putting no free will into them so they will always obey him because he made them like that. Why would he not take away our free will to choose for ourselves so we would go along with everything and never sin.
            Why did want to make up with us (reconcile us to God.) Can you tell me that please?

          • Sharon_at_home

            Ok so you won’t understand that interpretation is just explaining NOT ADDING to the scriptures.
            So I will end this attempt at helping you to see the Truth. Again.
            Have fun with your Hope of Salvation. Best wishes on your journey.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Scripture does not teach that men have a free will to accept or reject the christian faith ……. the scriptures teach that mans will is ENSLAVED to sin ….. incapable of submitting to Gods law …… and dependent on Gods regenerating GRACE ………… man is dead in sin …. a SLAVE to sin …….. until God, by His spirit frees man from that slavery as part of the process of redemption ……… scripture is THEOCENTRIC ….. centered on GOD ….. NOT centered on man ……… and all this is to the GLORY of GOD ….. so that God may bring GLORY unto Himself ….. NOT MEN ……… Scripture teaches that God will is free and perfect to accomplish this to His own Honor and Glory …….. Gods sovereignty is no less true when it comes to mans salvation than in the governance of the universe …….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            John
            8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
            8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
            8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
            8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

            slaves do not free themselves by their “free will” ………. sorry …… FAIL ……

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            John
            6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
            6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
            6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
            6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

            NO MAN comes to Christ unless he makes a free will choice for Christ? ………. NO …… “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him” …. no free will …. no …. nothing from us ….. it is ALL GODS work ……………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Ephesians
            2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
            2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
            2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
            2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
            2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
            2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
            2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
            2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            who gets to boast …. NO MAN …. are we saved by our “free will” ….. did we get ourselves out of sin by our “free will” ….. NO …. we are saved by GRACE …… was it our “free will” ….. NO ….. we are saved by “God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) …. not with our “free will” ….. but WITH CHRIST ………. through HIS GRACE ……….. “Not of works, lest any man should boast” …. “free will” ….. IS A WORK …. IT IS OUR WORKS …… our salvation is NOT OF OUR FREE WILL ………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            But Amos, this is your interpretation of those scriptures and you said we are not supposed to “change the scriptures” with interpretation. I can’t read this!

            who gets to boast …. NO MAN …. are we saved by our “free will” …..
            did we get ourselves out of sin by our “free will” ….. NO …. we are
            saved by GRACE …… was it our “free will” ….. NO ….. we are
            saved by “God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he
            loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together
            with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) …. not with our “free will”
            ….. but WITH CHRIST ………. through HIS GRACE ……….. “Not of
            works, lest any man should boast” …. “free will” ….. IS A WORK ….
            IT IS OUR WORKS …… our salvation is NOT OF OUR FREE WILL
            ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            maybe one day you will understand the difference between “interpretation” and exegesis or exposition ………. i exegeted the passage ….. no interpretation …… which scripture does not allow ………… 2 Peter 1:19-22

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’m sorry Amos. The words exegesis And exposition both have the definition that includes Interpretation. BOTH WORDS

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’m sorry Amos, both of those words have interpretation in their definitions.
            There is no way to understand the scriptures unless you “exegeted”, “exposition” or “interpret” them. You have to interpret them to understand their meanings.
            Nice try though!
            Blessings!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            interpretation is a synonym ….. but does not mean the same thing ….. there is a world of difference ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            A synonym is defined as ‘equivalent’, which comes from the root word, equal.
            So, again sorry Amos, interpretation is the equivalent of the words exegesis and exposition. (This is from a Thesaurus)

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no …. a synonym is similar ….. it is NOT the samething …. wrong ………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            Look what I found in a Bible Study about understanding the bible….

            “Exegesis is a term that means basically the same thing as interpretation.”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then the answer is simple ….. you need a different class ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            It was an online bible study, not by my Pastor.
            Did I tell you he was, as of July 1, a Bishop. He’s also the youngest Bishop in the whole of the Church of Jesus Christ which includes some in India, Africa, and England. I think I have a pretty good teacher, as he does do the steps required to know what the scriptures say. He just has a way of presenting the gospel so that people can apply it to their lives, the way that God wanted it to be applied. and our church membership has doubled in the last 8 years. That’s why I will wait and discuss this further with him.

            I did a lot of it from the notes I have from sermons, but he’s not done a bible study on God allowing us to choose. and I am sick…. and I just can’t pick myself up right now to continue this. I’m sure I will have further posts to reply to when I am more up to the whole thing. Please accept my apologies, but I am only delaying, not admitting defeat. I don’t have the ability, tho’ I do have the desire, so later, my brother. We will continue this.
            God bless!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i do not care where it is from …. you need a different class ………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            can you please read the rest of that post.

          • DrewTwoFish

            Sharon, you may as well bang your head against a walll. Having said that, I know it’s impossible sometimes to resist engaging. I get sucked in myself.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Thank you Drew. I’m so glad that I am not the only one. I appreciate your support. Thank you!
            May God bless you!

          • DrewTwoFish

            One might think that you as one of their brethren and (as far as I can tell) relatively conservative in your theology might have a chance at making some headway but their arrogance and willful ignorance is like a brick wall.

          • Sharon_at_home

            can you please read the whole post Amos, I’d appreciate it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i read it all ……… sorry you are sick ….. you need a different teacher …. you need one who is not isogeting the text ….. here is a hint ….. the scriptures ….. are not about US ….. they are about CHRIST ……. and what he has done for us ….. christianity does not depend on our works …. it is not about works righteousness …… it is about Christ saving His people ………. a recent quote i heard ……

            “Scripture never expects us to hear Gods command separate from our focus on Gods work for us in the person of Jesus Christ and when we divorce these things then we almost inevitably go wrong.

            Religion says to become by self effort (free will) what you are not, christianity says become by Grace what you are because you have been set free in order that we might live for Him.”

          • Sharon_at_home

            They are all defined as interpretation Amos. Sorry.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … they are not ….. interpretation makes it a private reading and there is none of that that is scripture ……..

            1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
            1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

            we do not get to alter, add or subtract from Gods word ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the dictionary does not apply ….. you are trying to use a modern day definition of a word written thousands of years ago …… fail …… would you want your words written today to be “re-interpreted” 100 years from now by a definition you did not intend …….

            you do not get to do that to Gods word ……… and it is blasphemy to put words in Gods mouth He never intended …………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            Modern day definition of which word Amos? What word did I try using that was not defined the same way thousands of years ago.

          • Sharon_at_home

            What is the word that you say I did that to? I would appreciate knowing that… and perhaps it should be the whole scripture that you say I did not understand properly? since that is what you are saying, right?
            So you went into the whole interpretation stuff before you decided what it meant? Like this says to do for a bible study?
            five factors:

            1. its original languages,

            2. its historical/cultural setting,

            3. its kinds of literature,

            4. the principles of communication and understanding,

            5. and our own pre-understandings and presuppositions.

            Each of these factors plays a significant role in good Bible study. By learning how to apply the basic principles of interpretation we can understand and interpret the Bible correctly.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Another verse that says they had to choose this day whom ye will serve. That IS said because they had the free will to choose.

            Joshua 24:15
            15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE YOU This Day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. out of context …… Joshua was saved by faith …. and NOT of his own free will ….. he was saved by faith GIVEN to him by God …….. “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” ….. not your version of Gods word or my version of Gods word ……. just GODS WORD ……………… and by hearing the word of God …. we are given faith ….. not of our free will but of GODS free will and grace and mercy ………..

            Romans
            10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
            10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
            10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
            10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

            Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

            AND NOT OF YOURSELVES ………….. not your “free will” …….. not your works …. by GODS works ………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            Whosoever will come after me = anyone that CHOOSES to come after him.

            Mark 8:34
            34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever Will Come After Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Whosoever will come after me = anyone that CHOOSES to come after him.”

            nope …. that is YOU ADDING to the word of GOD ….. and not what He said ……. that passage is out of context and you are only giving the part of the scripture YOU want to give ….. and it is NOT proper exegesis …… and it is not proper as it is OUT OF CONTEXT ……

            the three rules of reading scripture are:
            1. context
            2. Context
            3. CONTEXT

            and you have given no CONTEXT ….. and it is MEANINGLESS ……….. and it is YOU giving a meaning YOU want it to have …. not what God said ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            If Adam and Eve had no free will, then why did they choose to eat the fruit of a tree they were told not to eat from by God himself?

            Genesis 2:16-17
            16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
            17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Thou Shalt Not Eat Of It: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. LIMITED …. you keep insisting i said no free will ….. NOT WHAT I SAID ….. and their free will did not keep them from sinning and the fall ………….. and man has NO FREE WILL to save himself …. that is GOD alone ………

            Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
            Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
            Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
            Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
            Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Romans
            5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
            5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
            5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
            5:17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
            5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
            5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
            5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
            5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

            a free gift …. does not require free will ……….. it is freely given ………

          • Sharon_at_home

            5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign
            through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

            Does this not state that we receive His Grace by “being righteous unto eternal life. ”

            Do you think if you saw a sin that you wanted to commit, and thought to yourself, “eh, I’ll just repent tonight, then everything will be ok with God again.” That God would forgive you that sin? If it is a sin, we cannot do it with that forethought, no matter whether we are saved or not. We need to be more righteous than the Pharisees and Scribes. Yes we by nature of man sin, but we have the ability to say no to things that are wrong to do. That is where our free will comes in. If we choose to do the sin without forethought, then it is a forgivable sin, but if you do have forethought and think evil thoughts of committing the sin, God will know that; do you think he would forgive you for a sin you knowingly commit in the belief that it will be forgiven?
            We have the choice to sin or not to sin, and God wants us to recognize our sins so we can repent from them continuously. And grace or no, if you begin to think evil thoughts and follow through on them, he will not forgive you. You were being evil and not stopping yourself from committing the evil. He wants us to try NOT to sin. But he gave us free will to choose whether to sin or not. The Holy Spirit is supposed to help us see the sins, before we do them so we won’t choose to do them, but none of us are forced to do the right thing. God is not about controlling us, or forcing us to do his will. He wants us to be willing servants not rebellious ones. He commands us to love him because if you love someone you want to do what they want you to do to make them happy, and he is offered protection and provision for the people in return. He wanted a world without a reason for sin, but free will allows for some to go the way of the people who in the OT rebelled and worshiped other Gods instead. Lucifer is also in the world and can manipulate people who are followers of God to think God doesn’t care about them. Some believe it and turn away from God, because something they prayed for did not come in the expected amount of time. He’s forgotten me. He doesn’t care about me. So they give up on God and end up to be Lucifer’s victory because he took someone away from God.

            If you can’t realize any of what I just said just from reading the whole bible and coming out of it, without specific interpretation, but just by what you read as a whole, you aren’t reading it as a journey that people took until Jesus came to the Earth to set us free from sin and now God allows us to sin with the offer to forgive those sins if we repent. Change our thoughts about them. Change our minds about doing sins, and trying not to sin. God does not force us, or make us with his power, to do anything against our will.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Does this not state that we receive His Grace by “being righteous unto eternal life.”

            no … it does not … and you had better read it again more closely ……… and stop trying to add to what it says …. and instead … just read what God said ….. we do not recieve Grace by our acts …. it is a FREE GIFT …. and it you have to do something to recieve it ….. THEN …. it is NOT FREE ………. faith is a GIFT ….. grace is a GIFT ….. and therefore righteousness is a GIFT because the GIFT of faith is seen by God as righteousness ………… Abrahams belief (faith) was counted as righteousness …….

            Genesis
            15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
            15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
            15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. <—————–
            15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

            Romans
            4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. <—————–
            4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
            4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
            4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
            4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
            4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
            4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
            4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; <————-
            4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
            4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. <——

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            who gets to boast …. NO MAN ….

            are we saved by our “free will” ….. did we get ourselves out of sin by our “free will” ….. NO …. we are saved by GRACE ……

            was it our “free will” ….. NO ….. we are saved by “God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together
            with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) ….

            not with our “free will” ….. but WITH CHRIST ………. through HIS GRACE ………..
            “Not of works, lest any man should boast” ….

            “free will” ….. IS A WORK …. IT IS OUR WORKS …… our salvation is NOT OF OUR FREE WILL
            ………….

            does that help ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Romans 7
            14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
            15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate,
            that do I.
            16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
            17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
            18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will
            is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
            19 FOR THE GOOD THAT I WOULD I DO NOT: BUT THE EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT, THAT I DO.
            20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
            21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

            #2 Choosing to do what God wants us to do. (What He asks from us, ie What he wants from us., what he is would like us to choose to do)
            This is Paul saying that he knows that he should not commit sin, And wants to do the right thing, but his flesh is resistant to doing ‘good’ and that there are times when he has sinned, even though he knew that he should not have.

            It means Paul chose to sin, even though he did not want to, that his flesh has nothing in it that is good, but still he chose to follow it’s desires, instead of doing what he knew he should do as a righteous deed.

            God knows that we will fail trying to avoid the temptation of sin, but he wants us to keep trying. And he’ll forgive us every time we pray for it, and repent from that sin. We have the grace of God to give us the hope of salvation.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yes …. it is adding …. and when we add to scripture …. then it is no longer scripture … it is our opinion …… Gods word is NOT an opinion ………….. it is not up for “debate” ….. and the ONLY “understanding” of scripture ….. is GODS UNDERSTANDING …… our “interpretation” is worthless ………..

          • zampogna

            No, interpreting does not mean adding.

            I’ll give you a lesson on interpretation.

            Consider the following sentence: “Jane enjoys cooking her family and her dog.”

            One person could CORRECTLY interpret this sentence to mean that Jane enjoys physically cooking her family, and her pet dog. Another person could CORRECTLY interpret this sentence to mean she enjoys cooking, and she also enjoys her family and enjoys her dog.

            THAT is what an interpretation is. Nothing was added along the way, as you will notice. It is all in how a sentence is understood by the person reading it, and it’s not 100% clear all the time.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            we are not talking about your sentence ….. we are talking about GODS WORD ……… NOT the samething …… and the same rules DO NOT APPLY …… there is NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of the scriptures …… we do not get to ADD our opinion to GODS WORD …… and that is what interpretation is ………

            2 Peter
            1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
            1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

          • zampogna

            I simply don’t know what to tell you – you are wrong about what you think the word “interpretation” means. There is not one single dictionary out there that says it means adding. It does not mean adding. It means coming to know something. And scripture is not immune from that. Different Christians can come to different understandings about the meaning of scripture and that is not surprising since it has been through many translations.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. YOU do not know what the SCRIPTURES say …… that is the problem ……SCRIPTURE is the standard here …… NOT the dictionary ………..

          • zampogna

            Scripture which you might have one understanding of and another denomination might have another understanding of. All Christians, different interpretations. No one can claim to know which understanding is the one true correct one. Do you know how many Christian denominations there are??? How can you claim to know what was meant when no one else can come to an agreement?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. scripture is THE TRUTH …….. we either accept that or we reject truth ……. Truth is not a matter of pride or humility ……… there is no “your truth” or “my truth” …….. it is a matter of fact ….. and we are entitled to the facts …… but we are NOT entitled to our own facts ……….. and CHRIST has the only facts and truth that matter …………. and has revealed that truth to His people through the scriptures ……….

            “Do you know how many Christian denominations there are?”

            irrelevant …… and scripture covers why that is so ………… 1Cor 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you ……

            i make no “claim” ….. Christ has given us the truth ….. truth is not a “claim” …… it is what every other claim is measured by ………….. and if some “denomination” is making a claim …… then it must be measured by the scriptures ………… to see if it be true ………. searching the scriptures DAILY ………….

            Acts
            17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
            17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
            17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Truth is not a matter of pride or humility ……… it is a matter of fact ….. we are all entitled to the facts …….. but we are NOT entitled to our own facts ……… There is no “your truth” or “my truth” ……. there is the truth and it is either accepted or rejected ……… Christ is the ONLY truth and he has revealed the truth through the scriptures …..

            “Do you know how many Christian denominations there are?”

            irrelevant ….. but scripture tells us why …..
            1Cor 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

            and we can know the truth by examining the scriptures DAILY …..

            Acts
            17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
            17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
            17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

          • Bob Johnson

            And you might add that the written word is very bad at providing emphasis. Read the sentence, “Mary had a little lamb.” Now say it out loud five times. On each repeat emphasis a different word.

            Mary HAD a little lamb. I wonder what happened to it.

          • zampogna

            That is even a better example. I hope Amos reads it.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “”a televangelist who passes himself off as a true man of God, “”
            Something like this, is about the man himself, not about his being a Christian. He is the one who chose to go against the Christian belief, just as others have, and will, always. Not everyone is able to live a true Christian life, and obviously this man was one of them. I have also seen that many televangelists are about the money, not the life of the Christians they speak to. For me, that right there is an indication that I cannot expect good Christian values from that person. Greed is not an attribute that should ever be considered to be a ‘good’ value, regardless of whether you are Christian or not.

            It’s unfortunate that some people idolize these preachers the way they seem to. They are not following what the scriptures tell us. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go around. We’ll never agree with everyone else, so sometimes it is easier to just accept what we can’t change (especially when it is in an article not in your own neighbourhood) and move on.

            Please remember that all Christians are not like some on this board. I prefer to discuss things with the exchange of information, not just flat out scripture without explanations. We may still disagree at the end of it, but we will hopefully understand each other’s reasoning more than when we started.

            Blessings!

          • zampogna

            I appreciate your answer, but I do have a problem with Amos’s suggestion that a man can be deemed to “never have been a Christian” the moment he does something bad. I think there are people who are Christians who do bad things and whether or not they remain Christians, I would never say they weren’t Christians before.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … i cannot think of even one that had me with their deception ………

          • zampogna

            I can think of some they named universities after.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. do saved men sin …. yep … they surely do ….. does that make them unsaved ….. nope …… but are many televangelists committing sins that make them unsaved from the start …. YUP ….. such as …. filthy lucre …..

            1Tim 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

            1Tim 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

            Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

            Titus 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

            1Pet 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

            which includes most of them …. and their “prosperity gospel” doctrine …… monetary success does not make one right with God ………. weeds are successful ….. does not make them good or desirable ……….. and those persons are what scripture says that should be done with them ….. “Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not,”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Christ came at a time when the world did not know what a christian was …….. and many Jews heard the truth and were converted ……… what does that do to your theory …………….

          • zampogna

            Absolutely nothing, since Muslims came later and seem to be found (go figure) in the Muslim countries.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. this is not just about muslims …….. Christ came to save people who did not know Him in a culture that rejected Him for the most part …… just as islam does …… and that has not changed ………….. and geography has little to do with it ……… Gods intervention does ……….

          • zampogna

            Funny how God intervened for the Americas and Europe but doesn’t care too much for Asia, huh?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God chooses whom He chooses and mercies whom He will mercy ………… He is sovereign ….. not us …………..

            Romans
            9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
            9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
            9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
            9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
            9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
            9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
            9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

          • electedbyHim

            What does that have to do with salvation. I was raised catholic and God saved me from it. I am a loss for words by your comments.

          • zampogna

            So you’re a self-hating Christian? I’m learning a lot today.

          • electedbyHim

            Are you implying Catholics are true Christians?

          • zampogna

            Given that they were among the earliest ones, yes of course.

          • Sharon_at_home

            It does for the smaller areas, but in the big cities or towns, I expect they have more than one religion to choose from. People who come to the cities and towns to work often choose what church they attend by what they had at home, but sometimes it’s other influences that has them change their denominations.
            I am looking at google sites about soteriology. So far it stuns me what is being said. One site says that baptism is not necessary for salvation. The scriptures show Jesus stating that it is necessary. I could not believe some of the things I read. Honestly. SMH

          • Sharon_at_home

            Yes, I have tried to discuss it with this poster and he won’t listen to what the scriptures say that shows otherwise.
            I do believe that some of us are called, but the majority of Christians have either been born/raised in it, or have come because they were in need of something and someone directed them to learn the gospel. The poster does not believe that God allows us to have free will whether to follow him (choose life) or to turn your backs on him (choose death) either.
            He thinks he’s an elect because he is in a church, but he does not realize that he can lose his salvation by sinning and not repenting. He does not look at his sins for himself to determine if there are some sins he needs to repent for and to stop doing. He does not realize that his salvation is his own responsibility and God has given us a Hope of Salvation, not a guarantee since it is based on repentance. Sinning without repentance will cause you to lose Salvation. The Holy Spirit we are given during the water baptism is only to help you decide not to do a sin, it does not STOP you from choosing to do the sin, it just helps you to see the sin so you can choose to not do it. When we sin, repentance is the only way to Salvation.
            Blessings!

          • Bob Johnson

            So why are you so upset with non-christians?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and where did i write i was “upset” ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Even if you are born or raised as a Christian, does not mean you are a Christian yourself, unless you follow the bible in the way you live.
            Is that what you mean, Amos?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            not what scripture says ….. we do not become christian by birth alone ….. as you have pointed out …… and as scripture points out …… we MUST be born again …… and until God intervenes to cause that to happen ….. although we may follow the bible ….. we are not …. following the rules does not make us a christian nor does it make us righteous ….. it makes us Pharisees ………..

          • Jason Todd

            Neither does promoting sex.

          • zampogna

            No one “promotes sex”. No one needs to.

          • Jason Todd

            But that is what a sex-ed curriculum does. There is nothing wrong with wanting to wait until marriage before sex.

          • zampogna

            It’s hardly realistic.

          • Jason Todd

            Tell that to every teen who is doing exactly that. What condescending twaddle.

          • zampogna

            It isn’t condescending, it’s factual. Want to look at Bible Belt teen pregnancy stats and tell me I’m being condescending?

          • Jason Todd

            I couldn’t care less about the alleged stats. You are assuming teens need to be taught sex ed as they are going to have sex anyway. That’s insulting to the intelligence of today’s teens.

          • zampogna

            They need to be taught sex ed to avoid bringing unwanted babies into this world. No one is telling them they should be having sex, as you suggested. They are being told that if you ARE going to do it, here is how to do it SAFELTz

          • MCrow

            Oh, I’m more than well aware. Just pointing out for some people it’s a zero sum game

  • 0pus

    So addicted to sex that they’re willing to die for it.

    Isn’t that sort of, you know, insane?

    • Croquet_Player

      Do you think women who want to have a child are “insane”? Women die in childbirth and from complications relating to pregnancy. Are they “addicted to sex” too? And what about straight couples that contract potentially fatal STDs?

      • 0pus

        The left keeps pressuring decent people to sympathize with sex-addicted, immoral trash. And I keep right on ignoring them.

        If you don’t want to get pregnant, there is one sure-fire way to prevent it.
        If you’re stupid enough to sleep around like a vulgar brainless alleycat, then whine “Boo hoo, I got pregant!” – well, too bad. Time to be an adult. You took the chance, you deal with it. I got no sympathy with anyone who lives like an animal. Start acting like a respectable human and you will get respect.

        • Croquet_Player

          Way to miss the point entirely. I’m saying every woman who wants to start a family is risking death too.

  • Skittles

    Thanks to events like these, AIDS has been completely eradicated.

    • Faithwalker

      Where did you find the information that AIDS has been completely eradicated? It is a virus that is still killing its victims (specifically those that are uneducated about the virus) throughout the globe. Furthermore, AIDS is not the only disease one has to worry about, specifically among multiple sex partners, think genital herpes.

      • Skittles

        I was being sarcastic. Of course it hasn’t been eradicated, and all the nonsense about “AIDS education” hasn’t slowed it down at all. How in the world can we even have an intelligent conversation with people who think it’s OK to infect other people with a deadly and incurable disease, but it’s some global crisis when someone won’t bake you a cake? I can’t even grasp someone with those kind of priorities.

        • Faithwalker

          Thank you for clarifying. I totally agree with you. Wow.. are we living Biblical prophetic end times or what!

  • Grace Kwon

    A lot of white young people in the photo… San Francisco is a far more diverse city proportion-wise… Humanism lacks morality.

  • Becky

    This lot ought to change their banner to #WeStandWithSatan.

  • ISA41:10

    Homosexuality is a spiritual and mental sickness!