Man Destroys Newly-Installed Ten Commandments Monument on Arkansas Capitol Grounds

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — An Arkansas man was arrested on Wednesday after he destroyed a Ten Commandments monument that had been installed just yesterday on the grounds of the Arkansas capitol building.

Michael Tate Reed, 32, of Van Buren was taken into custody on charges of defacing objects of public interest, criminal trespass and first-degree criminal mischief. Reed recorded himself destroying the monument under the cover of darkness, driving his car into the decalogue and yelling “freedom!”

Tate Reed

He posted the video to Facebook at approximately 5 a.m. local time. (See end of report.)

Reed identifies himself as a Christian and a “Pentecostal Jesus freak” on his Facebook page, but some of his posts are obscure and confuddled, and followers have urged him to get help in observing his mental health struggles.

“If tonight doesn’t go down like I’ve seen and been told, I promise I will go to Valley hospital and have them court order me on meds,” he wrote on Tuesday.

Reed also posted a video stating that while he believes that men should “obey the commands of God,” he is a proponent of the “separation of church and state” and feels that “[t]here’s no one religion government should support.”

He spoke of what he called “white plans,” and advised that he would need another car after he carried through his plot to destroy the monument.

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“Our constitutional rights have been violated and since no one will do anything about it, I will,” he also wrote.

Reed additionally launched a GoFundMe page in an effort to raise $20,000 for a new car, but the page appears to have been taken down by the organization as of press time.

In 2014, a man by the same name smashed into Oklahoma’s Ten Commandments monument, later explaining in a letter that he struggled with mental illness and was obtaining professional help.

“Michael Tate Reed II stated in a letter that his psychotic breaks led to getting inspiration from a Dracula movie, thinking Michael Jackson’s spirit was in meat, believing he was the incarnation of an occult leader and attempting to contact Lucifer’s high priestess he called Gwyneth Paltrow,” Tulsa World outlined.

The Arkansas monument had just been installed on Tuesday, with Sen. Jason Rapert, R-Bigelow, recording a video discussing why the display is both needed and legal.

“We have a beautiful Capitol grounds, but we did not have a monument that actually honored the historical moral foundation of law,” he said. “And today we have now, through the support of people all over the country, mostly from Arkansas, been able to erect this monument at zero taxpayer expense.”

He noted that the decalogue is an exact replica of the monument displayed at the Texas state capitol, which was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2005 in the case of Van Orden v. Perry.

Rapert and monument on Tuesday

Rapert also advised that the Ten Commandments are part of the architecture at the Supreme Court itself.

“[W]hen you walk into the United States Supreme Court and walk up those steps and go into there toward the inner chamber, on the lower left and the lower right of those doors, etched in those doors are the Ten Commandments,” he outlined. “[If] you open up those doors [and] you look above the head of the chief justice of the United State Supreme Court, you will see Moses.”

“So, if it’s good enough for the United States capitol, it’s good enough for the state of Arkansas,” Rapert stated.

As previously reported, Rapert proposed the placement of the Ten Commandments monument in 2015, advising that it would be funded by private money. His bill regarding the matter was approved in the House and Senate, and was subsequently signed by Gov. Asa Hutchinson.

“The placement of the monument under this section shall not be construed to mean that the State of Arkansas favors any particular religion or denomination over others,” SB 939 read in part.

The Satanic Temple, a group that seeks to combat what they believe is partiality to Christianity in government, soon requested to also place an homage to Satan at the location.

“The Arkansas legislature unwittingly opened the door for our monument to be erected at Little Rock, while they clearly believed they could preference the Ten Commandments,” spokesman Doug Mesner, who goes by the name Lucien Greaves, said in a statement.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas (ACLU) has also threatened to file suit over the matter.

“At a time when we do not need any more religious conflict and divisiveness in the world and in this country, it violates the First Amendment promise of religious liberty to all,” Executive Director Rita Sklar told NPR.

“By placing a monument to a particular set of religious beliefs, it appears that the state enforces one particular set of beliefs over others and over no religion. And it makes people who fall into those categories—no religion or other religion–feel like second-class citizens in the state of Arkansas, which they are not,” she opined.

Statesman Alexander Hamilton wrote to the Royal Danish American Gazette in 1772, “He who gave the winds to blow, and the lightnings to rage—even Him have I always loved and served. His precepts have I observed. His commandments have I obeyed—and His perfections have I adored.”


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  • Jason Todd

    I wonder which commenter here is in fact Michael Tate Reed?

    • zampogna

      The separation of church and state is a belief held by as many people of faith as it is by atheists. Many believe the monument should not be there, even if Reed’s actions were not the way to go about it.

      • Jason Todd

        Doesn’t matter. First Amendment says it can.

        The end.

    • Fang

      Or his clone.

  • InTheChurch

    tolerant?

    • Fang

      Yeah, by gum, let’s get a hammer after those intolerant Christians, we’ll show them what tolerance is.

      • zampogna

        Said no one ever.

    • Croquet_Player

      Sure I am tolerant. This man claims on his Facebook page to be a “Pentecostal Christian”. Do I think he represents all Christians, or “Pentecostal Christians” in general? Certainly not. By all accounts, he seems to be a severely mentally ill person, who goes on and off his medications, and behaves well or badly as a result. He never should have done what he did. I feel very sorry for him and his family.

  • Lexical Cannibal

    *Christians deface or destroy a nonchristian display or monument*
    “Well obviously, such vandals were mot true Christians”
    Or, less tactfully,
    “Praise be!”

    *Nonchristian defaces or destroys Christian display or monument*
    “You see how violent are the ways of the godless?!”

    Obviously, I don’t condone the destruction of public property, even if I disagree with the item in question, but I would be remiss if I didn’t highlight the selection bias that’s about to fuel so much Christian outrage.

    • Sharon_at_home

      Unfortunately, there are extremists and the mentally needy in every group. Sad world we have today.
      Blessings!

    • Coach

      If someone who claims to be your friend tries to have you killed, you’d rightly conclude that person wasn’t a true friend and if your worse enemy tried to have you killed, you would point out the fact that you expected nothing less from such a person.

      So, yes, bias indeed, I am not shocked when a godless person does such a thing, as it’s consistent with their worldview, neither am I shocked when a professing Christian does such a thing as not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one, and based on what Jesus taught, most aren’t.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Psalms
    2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
    2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
    2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
    2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.
    2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
    2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

    • james blue

      And Moses did came down and saw the conservative Christians had made a golden bulls*****r and worshiped him as president and he did ram the tablets with his ford pinto breaking them into pieces.

  • meamsane

    From ACLU of Ark:

    “At a time when we do not need any more religious conflict and divisiveness
    in the world and in this country, it violates the First Amendment
    promise of religious liberty to all,” Executive Director Rita Sklar told
    NPR.

    This does not in any way inhibit or violate religious freedom at all. Are these people able to think rationally?

    2nd paragraph from the bottom: “….it APPEARS that the state ENFORCES one particular set of beliefs…….”

    If you want help with your emotional insecurities…go get help from a doctor, the Constitution does not help with such things. Learn what an “Establishment of Religion” actually means Constitutionally and historically.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      What it means constitutionally is whatever the Supreme Court says it means. And in McCreary a County v. ACLU, the Supreme Court ruled that Ten Commandments monuments on public grounds were unconstitutional.

      • meamsane

        Yes, you have the most difficult time making a distinction between the Actual Constitution and the SC and it’s opinions. The SC is subordinate to the Constitution, not the other way around!

        • Jason Todd

          Again, AC thinks we are a nation of judges. His complete disregard for the Constitution makes his opinion absolutely worthless.

          It’s worth mentioning that Alan Dershowitz wouldn’t be making such statements as AC, and he’s not a conservative.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Oh? What would Alan Dershowitz say?

          • zampogna

            I don’t see Ambulance Chaser offering opinions though Jason. He understands the law.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Your statement makes no sense. There is no distinction between the “Actual Constitution” vs. “SCOTUS rulings.” SCOTUS rulings are simply applying the broad, sweeping language of the Constitution to a specific circumstance. They’re a subset of the Constitution, not separate or distinct from it.

          Your argument is the equivalent of saying “I didn’t buy that with ‘money,’ I bought it with one dollar bills, quarters, and pennies.'” Or “I didn’t eat ‘food,’ I ate steak.”

          • meamsane

            With the presumption that “SC rulings are the same as the Constitution” I can see why you would not understand the distinction between the two, As I said. Your presumption puts the SC as Infallible and unable to Usurp powers not delegated to it nor even to make a mistake by faulty reasoning, Irrationality or even probably senility!
            It also puts the SC above the Constitution itself yet, The legislative branch has the power of Impeachment, even of Judges (see Federalist no. 81) which means that they also are given judgement of what is Constitutional and what is not, otherwise, they would not have that power! And they are not the SC. So how can the SC be given exclusive powers to determine what is and is not Constitutional? Come up with a good one now!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I’m honestly not sure what you’re asking. Removing a Supreme Court Justice doesn’t nullify his rulings (not that it would matter since only one, Samuel Chase, has ever been removed from office, and I doubt you’re terribly concerned with the criminal acts of James T. Callender against the Federalist Party).

      • Coach

        So you concluded that the Supreme Court is the highest authority, so does that make them sovereign?

        • Jason Todd

          Yes. He actually believes we are a nation of judges.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            If you have some opinion you’d like to express about me, the mature thing to do would be to say it to me.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          I didn’t conclude anything. This is how our system works. I’m just reporting it.

          And the Supreme Court isn’t “sovereign.” They have extremely limited power. They can only take up 80-100 cases a year. Those cases have to involve an actual controversy that is ripe but not moot, and the parties have to have the money and wherewithal to petition for certiorari, meaning there are only about 8,000 matters they can pick from, and when they pick, there are preordained reasons why they choose the way they do. When they do take up an issue, there are only two possible outcomes for the Court to choose from.

          The Supreme Court doesn’t appoint itself; their power comes from the President who appoints them, and the Senate who approves them. And if their decision is ever unpopular, it can be overruled by a Constitutional Amendment, (or in rare cases, by passing a law, if the Court’s ruling didn’t involve a Constitutional question).

          So really, they have very little power at all. Which is why it’s so galling that you people want to take even more power away from them.

          • meamsane

            The SC power does not come from the President nor the Senate. Judges are Nominated to the bench by the President and the senate either affirms or denies the nomination. The SC authority id derived from Article 3 of the Constitution itself.

          • Coach

            So the Supreme Court can be overruled by the constitutional amendment? That’s ok, they can just reinterpret it and boom. What would you think if the president, the SC, and the senate determined that you should be put to death? Would they be wrong?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I would think you’ve veered off into absurdities that don’t require a serious answer.

          • Coach

            On what basis do you think such a thing? According to your worldview, exisistance is absurd.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            It’s spelled “existence,” and I’ll thank you not to tell me what my “worldview” dictates.

    • Jason Todd

      Anyone can find out exactly what was meant by the word “establish” by looking it up in the earliest known dictionary from Webster, 1828.

      SCOTUS deliberately chose to apply a modern definition to the word, handing down a ruling that in fact creates the exact polar opposite of the original intent of the authors.

      • meamsane

        True. But he doesn’t seem to care. He is happy in his Indoctrination in law school.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Would you prefer that law schools taught some other system of practicing law besides the one we use?

      • PrestonTurtle

        What a pleasure it is to come here and downvote all your blatant stupidity.

        • Jason Todd

          Blocked.

          • Loftusjones

            …and we’re back. Having fun, loser fundie troll?

      • Trilemma

        The First Amendment does not use the word “establish,” it uses the word “establishment.” You have to look up the definition of “establishment.”

  • Grace Kwon

    The Ten Commandments are the basis of the lawfulness of the Western Civilization therefore the entire world. Exodus 20. Deuteronomy 6. The eye and the triangle pyramid part in the monument should have been destroyed clean. The same image is in the US dollar bill, too. Something has been very impure about the USA (all the kingdoms of man) in this sense… Americans should just read and adhere to the Holy Bible alone and also read Mayflower Compact and remember who they are. The land and everything else belong to the Creator God. Jesus Christ is the Saviour and Redeemer.

  • Grace Kwon

    “The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
    The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
    The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
    The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
    The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
    The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

    More to be desired are they than gold,
    Yea, than much fine gold;
    Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
    Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
    And in keeping them there is great reward.

    Who can understand his errors?
    Cleanse me from secret faults.
    Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
    Let them not have dominion over me.
    Then I shall be blameless,
    And I shall be innocent of great transgression.

    Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
    Be acceptable in Your sight,
    O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer.”
    (Psalm 19:7-14)

  • Grace Kwon

    It’s so wrong for a man to hate and destroy such a vital good and excellent thing like the Ten Commandment monument. Those who hate the Good are evil. Liberals regard good as evil and evil as good, and there is no cure for them except for the Word of God.

  • ZappaSaid88

    The first 2 commandments violate the first amendment of the US Constitution.

    • Recognizing_Truth

      The first 2 commandments precede and supersede the entire Constitution (which is based on common law., which is based partly on the 10 commandments).
      A privately funded monument, placed on publicly available state land does not constitute a federal legislative action establishing a religion. Nothing in the Constitution was violated by placement of the monument.

      However civil and criminal laws were broken by the vandal destroying the monument.

      • ZappaSaid88

        The commandments precede but do not supercede the US Constitution in the USA.

        As for your second point, when a privately funded monument to Satanism, Islam, Hinduism, etc shows up, and they WILL, I doubt you’ll be so agreeable to them.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          guess you should read Acts 17 and about Mars Hill …………..

        • Coach

          You’d be far less offended by satanism, islam, or hinduism, because they’re all false and those who hate the truth love lies.

        • Recognizing_Truth

          With the Constitution’s current content, your first argument is academic. But amend the constitution to require sinful activity on the part of every citizen as a requirement of US law – and you will see that followers of Christ will obey God and not man. God’s law supersedes man’s laws.

          However, you miss the point. A monument to morality is not the same as a requirement to follow it. It simply serves as a reminder of our once great nation’s moral center.

          As for your second point. There are already many monuments to humanism, satanism (different than satan worship, look it up), hinduism, etc. They exist in public areas as signs, billboards, temples, mosques, etc. that are there for all to see, and some to adore/worship/follow; and in the publicly funded museums, etc. All for notification, announcement, and reminders of historical as well as (supposed) portents of future events.

          So, yeah, I am in disagreement with some of them, but no, I’m not destroying or defacing or demanding they be removed. Instead I, as my Lord, and as those who followed Him before me, have a passion not to force you to stop what you’re doing, but to show you a better way, the true way, the True God.

          To whit:
          Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols. Therefore he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and with the Gentile worshipers, and in the marketplace daily with those who happened to be there. Then certain Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And some said, “What does this babbler want to say?” Others said, “He seems to be a proclaimer of foreign gods,” because he preached to them Jesus and the resurrection…
          Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

          TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

          Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead. (Acts 17:16-31, emphasis mine to show my reason for engaging in reasoned debate concerning all things God, but mostly our need for Jesus to reconcile us to God)

      • Bezukhov

        The first 2 commandments precede and supersede the entire Constitution

        Wow, you’re right! The cops just showed up on my property, guns in one hand and crosses in the other. They’re arresting me for having an Idol of Jupiter. I hope I can get a good lawyer to get me out of this scrape.

        • Recognizing_Truth

          You insist on getting all our laws backwards, and then sensationalizing your misapplication?

          The Constitution protects individual freedom by limiting governmental power.

          The First Amendment protects your freedom to worship Jupiter and prevents the federal government from enacting a law which would strip you of that freedom as well as preventing it from setting up a national requirement for Jupiter worship.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “The First Amendment protects your freedom to worship Jupiter and prevents the federal government…”

            Federal AND state governments, since the SC has ruled that the 14th Amendment makes the Bill of Rights applicable to the states as well.

    • Bezukhov

      I see a compromise. Put up these 10 Commandments monuments anywhere their little hearts desire. Just add the caveat somewhere on them that the 1st Amendment allows one to break a lot of them, and the State can do nothing about that.

  • Reason2012

    This is the same spirit behind the lgbt activists.

    • zampogna

      Say what?

      • Jason Todd

        Did he stammer?

        • zampogna

          No, just said something nonsensical.

          • Jason Todd

            Prove it.

          • zampogna

            He’s comparing apples to oranges.
            And the guy who rammed the statue is an EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN by the way.

          • Jason Todd

            Not proof.

          • Jason Todd

            See my above rebuttal, proving you wrong as usual.

          • zampogna

            What do you mean “as usual”? I have never talked to you before and I am regretting the fact that I did so at all. And your rebuttal is nothing. This man is being widely reported as an evangelical. If you don’t think he is, present your source. Please note that your opinion is not a source.

  • zampogna

    The guy who did this is an evangelical Christian.

    • Jason Todd

      No, he’s not. He’s a self-proclaimed Christian. He intentionally rammed the monument and shouted, “Freedom!” And it’s stated he has mental health issues. No, he’s just a nutbar, mostly likely inspired by the God haters of the world.

      • Bob Johnson

        “self-proclaimed Christian”

        Is there any other kind? Even after completing the Catechism, you are not considered a card carrying Christian.

        Note: Many posters on this site have claimed even ordained clergy are not true Christians.

        • zampogna

          LOL have they? Funny how the rules seem to change in a heartbeat. When a Christian does something they don’t like, then he’s not a true Christian. Even though every person in the story being reported right down to the minister of his church says that he is.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            The Bible has a test that is more trustworthy to determine its followers, than any claims made by a man or his compatriots:
            You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them

        • Sharon_at_home

          Does the church not consider you a ‘Christian’ or do you say this because knowing and doing are two different things?
          Blessings

          • Bob Johnson

            There is no “the church” which makes legal rulings on who is a Christian and who is not a Christian. And “The Church” generally refers to the Roman Catholic Church, which many posters here claim is not Christian. You yourself have gone back and forth with other posters both of you claiming true knowledge of the Gospel. Hence, there is only self-proclaimed.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “Is there any other kind? Even after completing the Catechism, you are not considered a card carrying Christian.”
            This is what I was referring to when I said that.

            I don’t claim Catholics are not Christian, but I have realized that there are many people who did not like the Catholic doctrine, and split from the church, and from what I can tell, Catholics feel that they are the only church that is the True Christian Church, while others are not being saved. Each church teaches the gospel in a way for the members of the church to best understand what the gospel is saying. If we only had the one church, most people would not be brought to salvation. But having the different denominations that make up the body of Christ, it allows for more worshipers to come to learn about the gospel and Jesus and the Hope of Salvation.

            Put all the members of all the denominations except the Roman Catholic church, and then consider whether God would want all those people, his children, to not have salvation because the one church did not address their needs in a way that helps the people to follow Jesus.

            That’s why if you are unhappy about what you are feeling about one church, you should try a variety of them, and ask God to tell you what the right one for you is. He knows and he will make it known to you, if you trust him to.

            No one but you can decide what you understand from the scriptures, but having help understanding them is the key to being able to use them in our lives today.

            Each of our relationships with God are very personal things. It is strictly between the person and God. (Through Jesus our Lord)

            We each have to choose to believe in God sent his only begotten son to die for our reconciliation to God by dying for our sins. We have forgiveness for our sins, through repentance.

            If we choose to believe that, and you want to follow Jesus, you have to learn what Jesus wants us to do to follow him, right?

            It’s all in the gospel showing examples by Jesus’ behaviour; by what he said to the multitudes and the way he said it.

            I do not say “believe me, I’m right”, I say look for yourself and read the gospel and ask questions about parts you aren’t sure of. God wants us to know the bible well, so we can use the help of appropriate scriptures all the time. You are the one that needs to find your relationship with God, Bob. It sounds like you are searching for the answers but you should be looking only in the scriptures, and questioning people you feel you can trust. I am telling you the same way I answered your questions already, makes me wonder if you even saw the posts I sent you?

            Your salvation is all about you and Jesus. No one else can pray for it for you. No one else needs to believe with his whole heart that Jesus is Lord. Just you. No one else can repent for your sins. Just you.

            You see, even choosing a church is something you get to do, if you are not connected to one, or are not happy with the one you are going to now.

            Get to know Jesus. How he was with other people. How he preached. How his behaviour and his words told us how to be like him, and shine our lights. Being good people and doing good things for others without expectations of anything in return. In Galatians 5 there is something called the Fruit of the Spirit.

            Galations 5: 22-23
            22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
            23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

            Each of these attributes are what Jesus wanted us to show as our “Fruits”. To know someone by their fruit, you will be able to know if they are one of God’s children. Those are signs of a Christian, and obviously people can have those virtues whether they are followers of Jesus, or not. but it will mean they are good people still. There

            But many people only do some of them, and Jesus wanted us to be as good as we can so we can bring others to Salvation, and we are to try to do our best at having these attributes.

            I’d be happy to help you understand the Fruit of the Spirits if you are interested.

            We as children of God are set apart from the world, and are not a part of it anymore. We are to sit back and see the world, but not live it. Christians should not for instance, NEED the next Iphone on the shelf. or the next CD that hit high in the charts. They are temporal possessions. The fruit of the spirit are about using the holy spirit to help others and to act in a way always that reflects our Lord Jesus Christ.

            Really, though Bob. you have to choose what you want to believe, it’s the only way. Then you have to learn to prove it to others and even more to yourself to strengthen your faith that you have chosen the belief that you can prove in the scriptures. That is what is important – We can prove our own beliefs in the scriptures but we can’t change anyone’s minds about their belief if they are able to understand it and make a decision by looking at both views and deciding which one you feel you can believe.

            You need to read the gospel over and over and over until you feel like you understand it for yourself. It sounds like what you know has not “done” it for you and you are still seeking the Truth.

            Is that right? Are you still seeking what to believe, Bob?
            Look forward to your answer, as always,

            Blessings!

          • Bob Johnson

            Sharon, yes I have read all your posts about my need for salvation and you have made clear that you do not believe the Episcopal church is right for me. Here again you ignore the thread and my comments and spend over 1,000 words to go off topic and proselytize.

            The subject of the article concerns a man, Michael Tate Reed, who destroys a Ten Commandments monument. Michael Reed states that he is an evangelical Christian; Jason Todd says, :”No. he’s not. He’s a self-proclaimed Christian” and four people agreed with Jason. My response to Jason tried to point out that every Christian is self-proclaimed. I tried to show that there is no ruling body which validates personal claims of Christianity. For the entire 2,000 years since Christ died, Christians have continually fought with other Christians over who are the real Christians and who are heretics. This battle continues today between Micheal Tate Reed and Jason Todd et al.

            How do you divine from my comments that I am dissatisfied, searching, or that my faith needs a brush and polish? What have I ever said that leads you to believe I am a lost soul in need of a new church?

            The clear and unambiguous scripture that we quote today is the result of 2,000 years of reflection. We have the writings of many people to clarify the meanings of scripture. We all need to study the non-scripture writings. It would be very interesting to catalog the many responses on these threads and trace the ideas presented back to non-canonical sources. I find a number of posts from evangelical Christians containing either outright heresies or catholic doctrine opposed by every old-time Protestant.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I think I got the idea when you asked how you can tell if one is the right religion, which I guess I misunderstood to mean you were looking for it. I apologize for misunderstanding.
            I admit I do have a problem with babbling; I do try to reduce them usually, but I’ve had a lot of problems with this site: when I am on it, it seems to jam my computer after it lags for ages. Just on this site. So sometimes when I am writing a post, it is sent without me being able to edit it. Sorry. I can’t seem to figure out why it is happening here, although I’ve tried cleaning my computer and nothing seems to make a difference. I’m considering a different browser. So please accept my apologies for the length of my post. I am trying to help the silent posters to understand too, which is why I go into things when I post, too.
            I agree with you about reading the non-scripture writings, but it always come down to, for me, whether they are from a respected site. At this point, I am focusing on learning more about the Gospel so I can spread it the way Christ wants us to.
            I will be careful about replies to you in the future, I appreciate that you let me know I was wrong in my assumptions. Thank you
            God bless!

          • Bob Johnson

            Hi Sharon, two responses

            “but I’ve had a lot of problems with this site:”
            So do I. I am also an old -school type of person who likes to review and edit what I write. Therefore, for anything other than a one sentence response, I use a text editor (Mac’s TextEdit) to compose my comment. This gives me much better reading and editing abilities and allows me to review my post before I hit the ”Reply” on the website. I can then copy my response and paste it into the small box – which means I spend very little time in DISQUS’s editor. Indeed after typing this response I moved to another task and come back to read this response cold in a few minutes.

            “about reading the non-scripture writings,”
            It can be enlightening to read websites and we need to find respected sources. However, when I referred to non-scriptural sources, I meant writings mostly from the first 400 years after Christ’s death. The Gospel of Thomas, The Shepard of Hermas, Ignatius, Polycarp, Barrabas, or Paul’s non-canonical epistles. These, and many more writing of the proto- orthodox writers. And then read of early doctrinal disputes – views did not become canonical.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I think when I tried that it had already started screwing with my computer and it ended up jamming the whole thing. Best to reboot and take what I could get back. I do too many things at the same time, and it means when something interferes with my system, I have to either give up some work, or close each program when my computer allows me to.
            But I do copy and paste comments so I can peruse them again later so I’ll just not keep the window open when I work on a reply and reopen it when it’s ready.
            thanks for your reply Bob. I like sharing with you! *grin*
            God bless! and thank you so much for the help.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Hi Bob,
            My husband gave me a link today: Archaeologists Just Discovered Rare Artifact That Will Leave Jesus Doubters Feeling Dumb

            The article is on the AWM site, but I don’t know how reputable the site is, and I would have thought Christian News would have posted about it too. Do you know if AWM is a reasonable source?

            I’d appreciate anything (anyone) can tell me about this. It would be a priceless article if it is supportable.

            God bless!

          • Sharon_at_home

            I try not to say I have the true knowledge of the Gospel, just a different view than the people I discuss it with. I believe that the gospel is about love, but if someone else does not believe this, I either explain about the scriptures and what they say, or I post the scriptures for them to see. I always tell them it is up to them to decide. There have been times when I got frustrated with Amos and said that he has to open his eyes to a different view, but I do try not to say I am right, as with anything that has more than one view, how can I determine that my view is the right view without hearing about other views and determining which is the one I believe?
            When I joined my church, my pastor told me that I did not have to follow everything they taught us, but that I should make up my own mind about what to believe and what not to. That’s why I focus on the scriptures and I am open to discussion with others about their views. The more information I have, the better chance I have to find the Truth, and living it.
            The Church – the RC church – has gotten it’s reputation by the pride that it exhibits as it’s THE CHURCH and others are all wrong. It has also added to the scriptures by adding to the religion things that are not in the bible. Just the confession to a priest is denying the scriptures that Jesus is the only mediator between man and God. We have no need to go to a priest for confession of sin, which is to be made to Jesus, and we are not ever punished for a confessed sin, because Jesus died for our sins, and we have our sins forgiven when we confess them and repent to Jesus. He does not give us a penance to do for our sins, but the priests do.
            I can’t say that the Catholic Church is not a Christian religion because it does use the bible in it. I just think that the religion was corrupted by the people (mostly popes) who decided to add the extra things to the bible. We are all supposed to check when we are told about scripture to know if it was what was said, and if the way we are taught is what is in the bible. God said that if we know something should be done, that it is a sin if we don’t do it. If the Catholic people would read the bible for themselves maybe they would realize the errors and decide for themselves to stick to the bible. who knows, except God. They do revere the Lord in many ways too. That is what a Christian is supposed to do. So they are Christians, and it is again just another view that people need to learn to be able to make their own decisions about their personal relationship with God.
            God bless!

          • Bob Johnson

            “If the Catholic people would read the bible for themselves maybe they would realize the errors”

            For over a thousand years the Roman Catholic Church was the government of Europe. As such it had to make all the rulings of a government. So show me in the Bible scripture who should be king of France. Show me where the Bible grants Henry VIII an annulment.

            Today Catholics do read the Bible for themselves, when the edict you often quote was made was at a time when most Europeans could neither read nor write. Certainly most Christians could not read Greek, the language of the Bible. If a person in medical times wanted to known something it was by oral tradition. If you wanted to known what was in the Bible you went to priests or monks, people who knew how to read – usually Latin. The first English Bible was hand-written in the 1380s, a thousand years after the Bible was assembled in Greek.

            In my view the biggest problem with the historical Roman Catholic Church is that indeed for a very long time Europe had a theocracy. The mixture of religious ideals and the day-to-day running of the government. To do this you must invent Devine Right of Kings and teach the populous the Word of God.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Hi Bob, Thanks for the information. I shall copy and keep it in my files for reference. It’s very interesting. I’ve never been very good at history. It bored me in school. My husband on the other hand watches documentaries of history as well as other things all the time, so when I need it, I ask him, if he doesn’t know, he’ll find out for me.

            I admire a person that can remember that kind of thing, because I can’t. I have to really work at memorizing the scriptures too. But to me it is worth it, for all that it tells me it is very worth it.

            Thanks for the lesson, I appreciate it and will always welcome anything like this. I may not remember ‘exactly’ but I can remember the basics and then I can find it in my files.

            God bless you Bob.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Actually I said that “if the Catholics would read the bible” as in we need to read it for ourselves to know what Salvation is about.
            I didn’t mean to say that Catholics don’t read their bibles, because I have no idea whether they do or not.

        • Coach

          3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

          • Bob Johnson

            And so when you were born again did someone give you an official certificate? Or is your testimony “self-proclaimed”?

          • Coach

            Actually, scripture is my certificate. John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            “And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, ‘I have come to know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.” (1 John 2:3-6)

      • zampogna

        Yes because everyone knows that “God haters” (whatever THEY are) inspire people to proclaim themselves to be evangelicals.

        • Jason Todd

          Dude, if you are going to continue to push what’s obviously untrue you’re gonna get blocked.

          His behavior shows him to be mentally and emotionally unstable.

          Period.

          • zampogna

            Yes, and he appears to be a mentally and emotionally unstable Christian. No one is going to block me for reporting what all the news outlets are reporting. What is a “God hater” by the way?

          • Sharon_at_home

            “No one is going to block me…” Jason Todd likes to block people, so he will. But the good news is, he won’t be getting into discussions with you either.
            Blessings!

          • zampogna

            I don’t mind heated discussions, but the name calling was a little juvenile. He could also stand some anger management.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Yes, most of us here are used to Jason now. I’ll tell you what my Pastor tells us; When we find ourselves with an encounter with someone who is annoying, to brush it off when it starts bothering you as you would a bug on your shoulder. It should not be important enough to even consider the juvenile language. He is what he is, does what he does, and it’s a Fruit of the Spirit to longsuffer people like him. Basically, it’s better not to reply to him after a certain point just because it is better for the poster. He’s like a troll in a way, because he will not discuss, but insist, and it is better not to even bother after a point.
            I don’t recall every seeing Jason have a discussion of any sort. He prefers to make his stand at the beginning, and never waver from it, nor consider other possibilities, even when it is shown in scripture that it is the Truth.
            There are a couple of posters here who are like him.
            Blessings!

          • Jason Todd

            No. UPI reports Reed has a history of mental health issues dating back nearly four years when he destroyed another Ten Commandments monument in Oklahoma City, and then in October 2014 he made threats to Obama, set money on fire and walked into a federal building to spit on pictures.

            His self-proclamations are as relevant as him saying he’s the Queen of England.

          • zampogna

            What a shame his Christian upbringing has failed him to this extent.

          • Jason Todd

            Now you are just trolling. No arguments.

            Blocked.

          • zampogna

            Nobody saw that coming, huh?

          • PerryKingsley

            Hey, I just wanted to say that I think you’re one of the worst Christians on the internet. Foul tempered and juvenile and running away blocking everyone is a bad combination, dude. Maybe you should leave.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            🙂

          • Jason Todd

            Wow. Brand new account just to troll lil ol me?

            I really must get under your skin for you to want my attention so badly.

            Good.

            Blocked.

          • MartinSarakin

            Well your problem Jason is you are a nazi a$$ hole. It takes all of two minutes to create an account here and the nazis that run this fundie $h!thole with their fake news can’t do anything about it either. You are an a$$ hole, and you have more thumbs down for your answers than I have ever seen before. People hate you, Jason. You are a fundie douche bag and people hate you.

          • Jason Todd

            And it takes less than 5 seconds to block you.

          • LouisVarnals

            …and here I am again. Is this a fun game for you? Don’t you know how easy it is to get in your face when you’re being an obnoxious trolling idiot?

          • Jason Todd

            I think it’s funny I get to live rent free in your head.

            Please keep this up. I’m enjoying this.

            You’re still blocked, by the way.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            He means he’s going to block you from appearing in his feed. I don’t know how you’ll sleep at night.

      • james blue

        So you aren’t actually a Christian, you’re just a self-proclaimed Christian?

        • zampogna

          Usually when people declare themselves to be Christians, I take them at their word. No one seems to be debating who the true Christians are but the Christians themselves.

    • Fang

      Nah, he’s a Russian.

      Whatever happens, either the Russians or the Christians did it.
      Boy, you’re smart.

      • zampogna

        The other news reports are calling him a Christian. Real news. Not fake news.

    • The General

      Sure he is.
      And the guy who burns down a synagogue is a devout Jew…

      You people are funny.

      • zampogna

        Read ANY OTHER news story about this incident then if you don’t believe me.

        • The General

          Yeah, the guy CLAIMS to be a Christian.
          Ever heard the word “lying”?

          Anyone who says “Reed is a Christian” is engaging in commentary, not journalism. “Reed claims to be a Christian” is factual reporting.

          Progressives are dumb.

          • zampogna

            Why should we assume he is lying? If the story claimed this person was an atheist, would we assume lies then too?

  • Coach

    This may be off topic, but is the picture in the article, the exact monument? because if so, the engravings above the 10 commandments are a violation of the first 2 commandments. An all seeing eye, as seen on the back of the dollar bill is associated with free masonry, which is a cult, whose members refuse to admit it’s a cult. Sadly, many pastors and deacons are a part of a lodge. Hmm…no wonder VBS looks a lot more like Disney than actual Bible school.

  • james blue

    The ten I’d like to see on capitol grounds and outside courts is the bill of rights.

    There are way more churches than capitol grounds and courts, why do we not see them there?

    • Fang

      You don’t believe the Bible is a divine document.
      Well, guess what – neither is the Constitution. It was made by humans, and they provided a method to amend it. Only a fool would pretend the Constitution is something sacred. It’s been changed before. The only people who claim the Constitution is something normative are the people who hate Christians.

      • zampogna

        It is perfectly right that humans create a document that governs humans. That makes the Constitution perfect because it governs ALL people regardless of what “divine” book they adhere to.

  • Herrnhut

    Back to what the Bible teach, book of Hebrew Chapter 12 said “You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”.

    Now our Lord Jesu, the Son speaks better with DO NOT FEAR than the servant Moses I AM TREMBLING WITH FEAR. Wonder why those nearby states in the Bible belt had so many storms (whirlwinds) and even trembling (quake) lately?

  • http://www.moonbatdan.com/ Dan

    The ones who come to Christian blogs to spew their hate are totally behind this psycho.

    You can judge people by what they approve of.
    Sex and violence.

    • zampogna

      The man who did this is an evangelical Christian.

      • zeddicuskotor

        Darn, beat me to it.

        • zampogna

          Let’s see how many variations of the No True Scotsman fallacy come out now.

          • zeddicuskotor

            While we wait, wanna play trivia questions?

    • Croquet_Player

      Your avatar is an atheist logo. I’m just curious what’s up with you.

      • http://www.moonbatdan.com/ Dan

        What do you plan to do about it?
        Sue me?
        You atheists just love to sue Christians.

        Go ahead, I’ll await the summons from the court.

        If you think I’m trembling with fear, you’re dead wrong.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          I’m sure many atheists have sued many Christians, but in every case, unless you have some example I’m unaware of, the religions of the parties were incidental and unrelated to the subject of the lawsuit.

          • JMG

            The deviate trash from the FFRF sue Christians every day.

            You’re the most malicious bigots on earth.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I’ve never heard of them “suing Christians,” but they sue governments all the time.

  • Trilemma

    Why do Christians keep placing things on government property that they know are illegal?

    • Recognizing_Truth

      They don’t. Privately funded and publicly positioned does not equate with “illegal”.

      Why do you keep perceiving monuments to morality as offensive? (that was a rhetorical question)

      • Trilemma

        Religious monuments publicly positioned on private property are not illegal. Religious monuments publicly positioned on government property are illegal because they violate the First Amendment. Why do Christians need to make unto themselves graven images such as crosses or Ten Commandment monuments and place them on property they don’t own?

        Ten Commandment monuments are monuments to the Law of Moses in the Old Testament. The Old Testament Law is a poor basis of morality. If the Ten Commandments are so important, why do Christians not keep the Sabbath?

  • FoJC

    A statue with copied words from Scripture, and they place a pagan symbol at the top. This is par for the course in American religion. People who claim to be Christian need to wake up and follow Jesus, instead of practicing false religion masquerading as Christianity.

    Come LORD Jesus, come!

  • zampogna

    The man who did this is an evangelical Christian.

    • Recognizing_Truth

      An evangelical Christian is a person who, being a follower of Jesus Christ as their Lord tells others the “evangel”, the Good News of Salvation – that all have sinned and sin separates us from God and requires we be punished, but Jesus died to pay for the sin and for all who come to God through Him the sentence due us is considered fulfilled by Jesus and we are reconciled to God.

      That is not the message the perpetrator employed, so his claim (your source?) to be an “evangelical Christian” is incongruent with his actions.

      Also, an evangelical Christian follows the teachings of Christ. Characteristic of those teachings are:

      – “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 5:16)
      – “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17).
      – “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same?” (Matthew 5:44–46)
      – “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15).
      -“This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.”(John 15:12)

      Again, these are not congruent with the actions of the perpetrator, therefore it is clear this man is no follower of Jesus Christ.

      “You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.” (Matt 7:16-20)

    • Recognizing_Truth

      Saying one is something does not make it so.
      Apply a little discernment.

  • Ken Faivor

    Freedom he says……..Freedom to run over somebody else’s property with your car?

    I bet he is not feeling very free behind bars.

    • PrestonTurtle

      He is a fundie, the guy who destroyed the statue, so of course he is nuts.

  • vicnicholls

    Man needs a lot of prayer. He aint going to be doing this on Judgement Day. Sad. You can try to wrestle with God, but guess who always wins?

  • Croquet_Player

    I’m sorry, but this is simply a severely mentally ill man. I’m not going to blame all Christians for his behavior, in the same way I don’t blame all Christians for other things that mentally ill Christians do. He never should have done this. It was wrong in the extreme. Let’s move on.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    Until the Capitol it adorned conducts business according to those same Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments, this monument was merely giving the Capitol a facade of respectability. Consequently, this wasn’t that big of a loss:

    “He who turns away his ear from listening to the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.” (Proverbs 28:9)

    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'” (Matthew 7:21-23)

    For more on how Yahweh’s immutable moral law applies and should be implemented today, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant.” Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Online Books page and scroll down to title.

    Then “A Biblical Constitution: A Scriptural Replacement for Secular Government.”

    • Trilemma

      The theocracy you would create would look a lot like ISIS.

      • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

        Look like ISIS? The First Commandment is the only thing which can ultimately keep Islam from taking over and ruling America.

        CLUE: There were no openly practicing Muslims, no Mosques, no Sharia, and no Islamic terrorism in 17th-century Colonial America whose governments of, by, and for God were established upon Yahweh’s moral law, beginning with the First Commandment:

        “…When the 18th-century founders replaced the First Commandment (found intact in some 17th-century Colonial Constitutions) with the First Amendment, America was transformed from a predominantly monotheistic Christian nation (a united nation under one God, Yahweh) into arguably the most polytheistic nation to exist (a divided nation under many gods, including Islam’s Allah).

        “It’s one thing to allow for individual freedom of conscience and private choice of gods, something impossible to legislate for or against. It’s another matter altogether for government to enable any and all religions to proliferate through the land and evangelize our posterity to false gods. This is what the First Amendment legitimizes. It is an unequivocal violation of the First Commandment and the polar opposite of the following First Commandment statute:

        ‘[Y]e shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves. For thou shall worship no other god: for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou … go a whoring after their gods….’ (Exodus 34:13-15)….”

        For more, see blog article “National Religious Freedom Day aka Celebrating the Founders’ Violation of the First Commandment.” Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Blog and search on title.

        Then online Chapter 11 “Amendment 1: Government-Sanctioned Polytheism” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.” Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry, and scroll down to Chapter 11.

        • Trilemma

          ISIS follows the first commandment.

          I’ve been to your site several times. What you propose is frightening. The colonial theocracies led to the Salem witch trials. That’s why the Constitution is a better way. It protects your right to live by the Ten Commandments while protecting people from theocratic atrocities like the Salem witch trials.

          • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

            ISIS does not follow the First Commandment, they violate it in that they reject Yahweh for their surrogate god Allah. The First Commandment relates only to Yahweh, God of the Bible.

            Furthermore, your Salem Witch Trial example proves my point, not yours. It goes to show what occur from even a small deviation from Yahweh’s perfect law and altogether righteous judgments, which includes two or more witnesses for any judgment for capital punishment,

            For more of what comes from a rejection of Yahweh’s moral law, just look around you. America’s teetering precipitously on the precipice of moral depravity, thanks to the 18th-century founding fathers’ rejection of Yahweh as their sovereign and His law as supreme.

            I recommend you spend some more time in the Word of God and American history before making anymore baseless accusations.

          • Trilemma

            Under the government you propose, what would be the punishment for someone convicted of homosexuality, worshipping Allah, adultery, or witchcraft?

          • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

            Before answering this question, which I will be pleased to do, I would like to first know a little more about you:

            1) Are you a Christian, non-Christian, humanist, atheist, agnostic, or something else?

            2) What do you consider the moral standard by which everything should be ethically evaluated?

            3) If not Yahweh’s morality as reflected in His Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments, who gets to decide what surrogate moral standard is to be used instead?

          • Trilemma

            1. Christian deist is probably the closest label.

            2. The golden rule is a good start.

            3. It is ultimately up to humans to figure out what is moral using our god given sense of morality and empathy along with guidance from god.

          • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

            Thank you for your answers and for being honest with me.

            1. A Christian Deist is an oxymoron. You obviously do not understand what it means to be a Christian in more than name only. But it does explain your propensity to defend the 18th-century founding fathers, most of whom were the same, better termed theistic rationalists:

            “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)

            “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

            “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 1:7-11)

            2 &3. The golden rule might be a good place to start, but until you fully recognize that Yahweh’s immutable morality as reflected in the Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments as the only ethical standard for everything, you’re just a humanist doing your own thing and thereby making yourself your own god, as reflected in your third answer.

            As such, your god is one you’ve created after your “own image” or desire as juxtaposed to Genesis 1:26. Consequently, until you’ve gotten under the redeeming blood of Christ by surrendering yourself completely to HIS will over your own (Luke 9:23, etc.), you’ll never accept the validity of Yahweh’s ethical standard, including His altogether righteous judgments as the authority for determining both capital and non-capital crimes. Instead, you’ll compare Him to Allah and His morality to that of ISIS or some such foolishness (see 1 Corinthians 2:12-14):

            “The law of Yahweh is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of Yahweh is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of Yahweh is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of Yahweh is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of Yahweh are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.” (Psalm 19:7-11)

            Because I’m not so foolish to look to myself as god but instead to Yahweh as my sovereign and thus His triune moral law (His commandments, statutes, and judgments) as supreme, the answer to your question is “Capital punishment as determined by our God and Creator,” understanding that the very threat of this would deter most from participating in these crimes and thereby reducing the victims of said crimes to a bare minimum.

            In other words, I’m first interested in Yahweh’s will and second in reducing the number of victims as contrasted with you who are more interested in your own sense of what’s right and wrong, which is but more evidence that you’ve made yourself your own god.

            May God help you find your way to the foot of the cross in complete surrender and the empty tomb of our Lord and Savior.

          • Sedagive

            How are the Commandments moral? Go over each one and explain, in detail, why that particular commandment is deemed “moral”.

          • Trilemma

            Theistic rationalist is basically the same thing as Christian deist so that’s works too.

            You accuse me of creating God after my own image yet you choose a god created after the image of people who lived thousands of years ago.

            From your website, it appears the punishment for somebody convicted of homosexuality, worshipping Allah, adultery, or witchcraft is to be publicly stoned to death.

            ISIS wants everyone to live by the laws given in their holy book. You want everyone to live by the laws given in your holy book. ISIS executes people who are homosexual. You want to execute people who are homosexual. Under ISIS, the punishment for adultery is 100 lashes. Under you, the punishment is to be publicly stoned to death. ISIS executes people who worship other gods such as Jesus. You want to execute people who worship other gods such as Allah.

            Under your government, all Muslims will be rounded up and stoned to death. Since Jehovah’s witnesses and Mormons worship the wrong god, they will be rounded up and stoned to death. Since Catholics worship Mary and bow down to graven images, they will be rounded up and stoned to death. What you want looks a lot like ISIS.

        • Sedagive

          Funny, one would expect the First Amendment to the Constitution as the only thing keeping ISIS from getting power. You know, the “freedom of religion/speech” thing that you lot keep trying to dismantle.