Bridal Shop Temporarily Closes Doors Over Threats for Declining to Assist Lesbian Seeking Wedding Gown

BLOOMSBURG, Pa. — A bridal shop in Pennsylvania has temporarily closed its doors after reportedly receiving threats for declining to assist two lesbians who came to the Christian-owned business in search of a wedding dress.

“We at W.W. Bridal Boutique strongly believe that when a man and a woman come together to be joined as one, it is truly one of the most special days of their lives,” the site for W.W. Bridal Boutique in Bloomsburg reads.

However, earlier this month, Shannon Kennedy and Julie Ann Samanas visited the shop in hopes of finding a wedding dress for Samanas as the two plan to “marry” in March. As previously reported, W.W. Bridal Boutique had been criticized in 2014 after it declined to schedule a gown fitting for a lesbian and her partner.

“We feel we have to answer to God for what we do,” owner Victoria Miller told reporters at the time. “And providing those two girls dresses for a sanctified marriage would break God’s law.”

Kennedy and Samanas told the Philadelphia Gay News that when they entered the boutique, they completed a form that asks for their information, and then crossed out the word “groom” and wrote “bride.”

After handing the form to an employee, it was inquired as to whether the dress would be for a same-sex “wedding.” When they replied in the affirmative, the employee advised that the business is Christian-owned and that they would be unable to help.

“She said, ‘I don’t know if you’ve heard, but we’re Christian and we don’t believe in that; our faith doesn’t let us believe in that,’” Kennedy remembered.

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The women then left the shop without incident, but later wrote about the matter on Facebook.

“The owners of W.W. Bridal Boutique reserve the rights afforded to them by the First Amendment of the Constitution to live out our lives according to our faith,” the boutique also posted, but later deleted its statement. “‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ We will continue to serve our customers based on the tenets of our faith.”

National media outlets began picking up on the story, and Miller advised that the shop serves homosexuals, but cannot assist with same-sex events, which would be a form of personal participation.

“We have provided formal wear for our customers from all walks of life, including the LGBTQ community. We have always served everyone with respect and dignity,” she told the Huffington Post. “It is just this event, a same-sex marriage, which we cannot participate in due to our personal convictions.”

“We simply ask that we be given the same ability to live our lives according to our convictions,” Miller said.

However, some who learned of the situation contacted the boutique to threaten harm. A pastor has temporarily stepped in to moderate the shop’s Facebook page while the controversy subsides.

“You stupid [expletive] bigots. We are coming for you and your family,” one angry man warned in a voicemail. “We are going to tear your shop apart and make you feel as bad as you have made people feel. You [expletive] bigot scum. You are going down and so is all your employees and their families. You’re done!”

Another man contacted the business to threaten that he had “a few surprises” coming, according to the Christian Post.

Therefore, Miller has decided to close the doors temporarily and only accept visits by appointment. The change has already been marked on the boutique’s website.

As previously reported, Christians live by the mandate in 1 Timothy 5:22, which tells followers of Christ to “neither be partaker of other men’s sins; keep thyself pure.” Businesses such as Miller’s believe that to assist in a same-sex “wedding” would violate Scripture’s command not to partake in another’s sins as it would be a form of participation.

“Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of [sin] cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them,” Ephesians 5:6-7 also reads.


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  • Paladin Roy

    Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
    2 Timothy 3:12

    Because of the apostate “church” of mammon seakers this thing has come. The apostate “church” has invited the sodomites and gommorrites in for their money, but the church of the Living God must take a stand.

    The business owners have the right attitude. We must be in the world, but not be partakers of their sins. Macy’s isn’t that far away, why not go to them since they are just like these animals ??

    • vicnicholls

      I have read elsewhere that this was planned. I would see if they go to Muslim shops, Hindu shops, other conservative groups, and do the same thing. They won’t, but the effect is the same: Christian persecution.

      So death is threatened, violence, harm: they need to be prayed for. The Bible says people would be like this. It means they are not saved.

      • wandakate

        Yes, exactly the WARNINGS are clearly in the scriptures of the Bible. It tells all about how the conditions of life will be in the end days before the return of JESUS CHRIST, and we are now more there than I have ever witnessed in my entire life. More and more people are rude, unloving, uncaring, bragging, boasting, losing their compassion and affection, caring only for and about themselves and to heck with everybody else. An I love me, who do you love attitude.
        JESUS warned us this would happen and it’s very unpleasant but the warning was nonetheless there. It’s NOT going to get any better from here on out, so prepare your mind and your heart for what’s to come.

    • wandakate

      Christians were commanded to be “in” the world but “NOT” of the world. By serving those customers they feel that they are pleasing GOD and keeping their faith. JESUS commanded them to persevere, and to keep their faith.
      There were other places (like Macy’s) or wherever that a dress or dresses could be purchased. This also involved money, b/c the store that refused the service lost the sale of the dress/dresses to the couple that wanted to buy them, so it also proves that not only are they striving to be obedient and faithful to GOD, but they also at the same time “are not greedy”. It had to do with their heartfelt actions and nothing else.

    • MamaBearly

      I find that a rather rude way of posting about people.
      Tell me, What about the “love everyone” commandment, or even the “Treat people like you want to be treated” command too. I never saw anyone listed as an exception to either of these commands from Jesus.
      Jesus would not approve of the fight against gay equal rights.
      It has no love in it at all. Did you hear yourself and how abominable it is to hear your post.
      Read the gospel and see Jesus’ love, and search the scriptures for this truth:
      No Sin is bigger than another. God is no respecter of persons and will not give one sinner a different punishment than another sinner.
      Also, Jesus never told us to abuse any sinners. Not only that but he told us to leave sinners alone.
      Maybe you forget the story about the adulteress?
      Or the disciples who left him and walked away;.

      I have been told that gays prefer to not cause a hassle usually and will go to businesses that will serve them, over the Christian businesses and even if is it not happening yet, I think eventually the issue will settle and people will allow a compromise, but it might take a long time, because it took a long time to get where they are today.
      And after all it is the way that they have been treated so badly for so long, that causes any of the desire to punish anyone. We should try to get along and give in a bit in each direction; and eventually I believe it will settle in the dust. It’s just sad that it has taken this long and that it is going to take longer. No one should have to be forced to confess to their sin, in front of the whole world, so they can have equal rights.
      If you’d like to discuss it further, that would be great. I enjoy discussing it.
      Having equal rights in not about anyone’s sin in anyway. It’s about life. not sex.
      I’ll be happy to listen why I am wrong in anything I have said, but I suggest you read the gospel to confirm it first, so you know if it is the truth.
      So Let me know if you would like a discussion about this, ok?
      God bless!!

    • wandakate

      Well there are a lot in the Macy’s family like Target, Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts and others. I saw a list of the companies that support the movement and there was many on there, oh yes Coke Cola Bottling Co. was one of them…Be careful where you spend your money or what company you support if you are opposed to the LGBTQ movement.

  • SFBruce

    I’m not at all sure how selling two women two dresses amounts to “participation” in anything more than a business transaction, and I wonder if their religious beliefs compel them to decline to do business with other couples who don’t meet with their approval. All that said, neither Bloomsburg nor the state of Pennsylvania ban discrimination based on sexual orientation; therefore, W. W. Bridal Boutique probably won’t see a lawsuit.

    • Jason Todd

      The couple, knowing they would be turned away, intended to file a lawsuit. When they discovered they couldn’t, they went to Facebook to slander the business and its owners.

  • mr goody two shoes

    They didn’t think they would get threatened ? What’s there postal address never never land Kansas. Was it Alice’s bridal shop?

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Lesbian mom asks Christian judge to recuse himself from divorce case

    • vicnicholls

      Bias. Discrimination. If they allow that, then businesses can choose to serve who they want.

  • Michael C

    Threats and harassment are unacceptable. So is discriminating on the basis of a customer’s sexual orientation. Unfortunately, it remains totally legal in most of the US for stores and restaurants to refuse service simply because a customer is gay.

    While I wish that gay people were protected from discrimination everywhere in the US (just as Christians are protected from discrimination), threats and harassment should never occur. It’s sad that a small minority of people on both sides of the argument feel this type of behavior is okay. It’s not acceptable for Christians to threaten the employees of GuideStar over their policies or Christian politicians to harass local business owners and it’s not acceptable for gay people or those who support them to threaten anti-gay business owners even if their actions are disgusting.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      it is also legal under title VII ……………

      • Michael C

        Federal non-discrimination laws do not protect gay people from discrimination in public accommodations (service at stores, restaurants, hotels, public venues, etc.) as Christians are protected from discrimination.

        Your comment relates to employment. Federal laws do not explicitly protect gay people from discrimination in employment either (as Christians are protected from discrimination in employment).

        The current DOJ under AG Jeff Sessions is arguing that businesses should be able to fire an employee from their job just because they’re gay.

        • Jason Todd

          And? So what?

          • Ben Brigs

            So? Gay people should not work, earn a living and eat? What is wrong with you?

          • Jason Todd

            Don’t ever put words in my mouth.

          • Ben Brigs

            “The current DOJ under AG Jeff Sessions is arguing that businesses should be able to fire an employee from their job just because they’re gay.”
            And your answer..
            “And? So what?”
            Sounds like that’s exactly what you’re saying….

          • Jason Todd

            You are being deceptive. This is what Michael said:

            Federal non-discrimination laws do not protect gay people from discrimination in public accommodations (service at stores, restaurants, hotels, public venues, etc.) as Christians are protected from discrimination.

            Your comment relates to employment. Federal laws do not explicitly protect gay people from discrimination in employment either (as Christians are protected from discrimination in employment).

            The current DOJ under AG Jeff Sessions is arguing that businesses should be able to fire an employee from their job just because they’re gay.

            I’ll tell you what I have told MIchael: Your sexual behavior entitles you to absolutely nothing. And in 2017, it is extremely unlikely you will be passed over for employment unless you make who you sleep with an issue, law or no law.

            The guy in this case lost his job because he made it an issue. Michael seems to have a problem with that, as do you.

          • Ben Brigs

            How am I being deceptive by quoting you word for word?

          • Jason Todd

            So…you are only going to focus on the first four words and nothing else?

            You are beginning to annoy me.

          • Bob Johnson

            “You are beginning to annoy me.”

            That is not a very hard task.

    • Chet

      How concerned are you regarding the impending wrath of God to be applied to unrepentant sinners, period? That group would include adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals, liars, thieves, haters, killers etc., etc… In other words, all who refuse to acknowledge their own personal sin and reject God’s offer of great mercy and forgiveness made available for all us sinners via the Lord Jesus Christ of Calvary. God Almighty, creator of all life, created woman for man and He instituted marriage as the bond between such, period… Those favoring man devised homosexual marriage should take up their case with the Lord… Don’t expect Him to change, however, as His Word is forever settled in Heaven. It is us, sinners all, who must come around to God’s way and not the other way around…

      • Michael C

        Thank you for disregarding everything I’ve said. This makes me very receptive to anything you might want to tell me.

        • Chet

          Sure, I noted what you said and wondered about your priorities in life and just who/what serves as the final authority in all such matters… That’s all.

    • Jason Todd

      What this article is not telling you is how far out of their way this couple drove to get to this shop, and how they actually went into another shop in the area thinking it was that shop, but left after they realized it wasn’t.

      Yes, this shop was knowingly and deliberately targeted. But only the shop owners are disgusting.

      • PorterCharles

        What’s disgusting is you. There is no such thing as a lesbian wedding dress, just as there is no such thing as a gay cake. There are only wedding dresses and cakes.

  • Nadine Faber

    I wish Christians would be protected and defended. My sense and belief is that a lot of these cases are intended to “shut down and make examples of these businesses who are dedicated to living their core values, biblical principles to the fullest.” They come out with hundreds of thousands of dollars and the businesses are told by the court they have to go to diversity training (a means to penalize them and shame them from living their faith), monitored, threatened, intimidated, threats of death and so on. We don’t see that kind of actions against Muslims, Same-sex businesses or individuals…so who is practicing discrimination? We are in a time where Christians, Jews, Conservatives….anyone who holds true to their Christian values and beliefs are on constant attack, shaming, bullying, threats by phone calls, emails, property damage, crowds in front of these businesses with screaming all kinds of things and actually death threats…Instead of a couple going to another business where they would gladly do business with them, they sue the one who is sticking by their faith. This is an attempt to get rid of God and make him illegal…just like Christian or Jewish faith as illegal…to crush and make traditional marriage illegal…to take away moral and ethical standards completely…our Constitution, our Bill of Rights…all illegal. Giving special rights to groups like this and take away the majorities voices and way of life. That is discrimination, hate, a tendency towards violence and property destruction…all this kind of BULL to shut down the majority of good and honest working Americans… to impose this radical and anti-American way of life on the rest of us.

    • Michael C

      Hi Nadine, It’s illegal for businesses to fire employees just because they’re Christian, for stores and restaurants to refuse service to customers just because they’re Christian, and for landlords to refuse housing to people just because they’re Christian.

      Do you believe that it should be legal for businesses to fire gay people from their jobs, refuse them service at stores and restaurants, and refuse them a place to live just because they’re gay?

      …because that’s the real subject of this article. In most of the US, it’s totally legal for businesses to discriminate against gay people (but not Christians).

      • vicnicholls

        Actually it has been done in other cases. A lady in my church has that issue.

        If the ladies had gone in separately and gotten the dresses, not said anything about being lesbian, would they have been served? I suspect so.

        They wanted to make an issue out of it. Let me know when they hit Hindu, Christian, etc. any one else.

        Btw, businesses can and do discriminate against single people of all types for housing. I’ve seen blatant discrimination by college students against the handicapped. Goes on all the time.

        • wandakate

          Discrimination comes in many UGLY forms. The gay community just want to make a BIG issue out of it when it happens to them.
          I do agree that IF the two women would have gone in alone they would have sold them a dress based on the paperwork they filled out which of course they could have lied on the paperwork, but they chose to go in together and they probably knew they would not be served and planned to cause trouble afterwards, who knows?

          • vicnicholls

            Its a hot button issue. No one seems to have problems with parking in handicapped areas, blocking them, etc. However this went viral. I don’t see people shouting death threats over those who do this illegally. That’s pretty much discrimination right there in terms over who it is ok to discriminate against. I don’t see people from here taking up arms about it.

          • wandakate

            NO thank GOD, they aren’t taking up arms yet, but things are worse than they have ever been and they certainly aren’t getting any better, so face reality, it is what it is and we will have to overcome and deal with it. We must realize that people’s hearts are becoming more and more cruel with each passing day, month, year and who on earth can say what the future will bring/?

        • canwedance28

          Back in the early 80s when I was engaged to be married, my male fiance suddenly, without an inkling that something was wrong, ended the engagement for no other reason than “I don’t think it [marriage] will work between us.” I was completely devastated and didn’t know what I was going to do or where I was going to go because I had given notice to my female roommate (of 5 years) that I would be moving out. Back then, you were not considered gay if you shared living space with someone of the same sex; THAT WAS NORMAL! She took me under her wing and we went looking for another apartment to share. One apartment complex we visited denied renting to us because (they said this) “You are two single women and are considered unstable for us to rent to you.” Talk about discrimination! When we got back in the car we looked at each other and laughed at their reason; we had been roommates for 5 years, longer than some marriages lasted.

      • Jason Todd

        The real question is, why do you think Christians should be subservient to homosexuals and homosexuality?

        • PorterCharles

          The real question is, why do you think homosexuals should be subservient to Christians?

      • sandraleesmith46

        When an event violates the person who owns the business’ rights, the person being violated should be free to decline; no one is stopping the others from getting what they want, elsewhere; but YES we need to be allowed to live according to our faith too; they’re living according to theirs and there is no need to violate others to do so!

        • Michael C

          When an event violates the person who owns the business’ rights, the person being violated should be free to decline

          So if a wedding vendor’s religious beliefs would be violated by the event of an interracial marriage, they should be free to refuse their regularly offered services?

          …because that’s exactly what you just said.

          You can’t even pretend that you didn’t just say that.

          • sandraleesmith46

            People like you just muddy the waters by refusing to see the difference between rejecting a specific event and rejecting a person!

          • Michael C

            People like you just muddy the waters by refusing to see the difference between rejecting a specific event and rejecting a person!

            So you believe that a wedding vendor would be allowed to refuse service for an interracial wedding?

            If rejecting a specific event is not the same thing as rejecting a person, you’re saying that a bakery would not run afoul of civil rights laws if they refused to bake a cake for the event of an interracial marriage.

            Do you understand how your argument justifying discrimination against gay people could just as easily justify discrimination against people of color? Are you completely blind to that fact?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Race is an immutable characteristic; homosexuality is a behavior and not immutable! Do TRY to learn the difference.

          • Michael C

            Race is an immutable characteristic; homosexuality is a behavior and not immutable! Do TRY to learn the difference.

            Where did you get the idea that a characteristic needed to be immutable to be considered protected from discrimination?

            Who told you this?

            You’re trying to claim that a wedding vendor would be permitted to refuse service to an interracial couple if they disagree with interracial marriage. You are wrong.

          • vicnicholls

            Michael C appears to be trolling. Suggest we not feed them.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Would appear so; certainly nit picking.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Actually, what he (and I) are trying to do is help you understand these issues more fully.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Your aim is to convince me to buy into delusions and lies; not “understand” anything!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            What “lies” do I believe? What false statements have I made?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay, fine. Can a wedding vendor refuse to service a Christian wedding? Is that within their rights?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Of course; a Jewish or Muslim vendor may find his beliefs violated by what the Christians want for their wedding; homosexual vendors have with impunity denied Christians service already, in bakeries.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            If that’s the case, they need to be sued for violating the Civil Rights Act. Where and when did this happen?

          • sandraleesmith46

            No it doesn’t violate that act; and it doesn’t matter where or how often it happens because it doesn’t fit the narrative; so NOTHING will be done about it!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            “All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”

            It does. Now, where are homosexual vendors “with impunity” denying Christian service?

          • sandraleesmith46

            It does NOT cover delusional beliefs about gender or sexual “orientation” at all; just the NATURAL “sex” of male vs female. and none of those others covers that delusional belief either.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No but there are many state laws that do.

            Now, are you going to answer my question?

          • sandraleesmith46

            And they are all unconstitutional because they infringe on the NATURAL rights of others!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So you’re not going to answer my question then, and you can’t support your own assertion. Got it.

          • vicnicholls

            Feeding the troll still? It looks interesting don’t you think, that Ambulance Chaser is now into this?

            Matt 10:14

          • Ambulance Chaser

            What am I “now into?”

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not when you consider what an “ambulance chaser” is.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Google it; it’s public information, not that you’ll get a law suit out of it!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I did. I couldn’t find any.

            This is why I keep saying the burden of proof is on the proponent.

          • mr goody two shoes

            No We thank them .I would not want to eat any thing they made.

          • mr goody two shoes

            Yes. haven’t you ever heard the phrase no shoes no shirt no service.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, I’ve heard it. And?

      • mr goody two shoes

        Yes I do. And I don’t think you should have to serve hire or house or feed murders or child molesters either not just queers . that’s the prison systems job that’s what we have them for.

    • SFBruce

      It’s unfortunate that this business has been subjected to threats and harassment; I hope it ends. That said, Christians and followers of other faith traditions are already protected. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, and it’s against the law to discriminate based on religion. In most of the country LGBT people don’t have those protections against discrimination, and that includes the state of Pennsylvania and the city of Bloomsburg. Therefore, it’s highly unlikely that a lawsuit will be filed and even more unlikely the plaintiffs would prevail if one were filed.

      Most of what you rail against is simply not happening: Christians are not under “constant attack;” I know of absolutely no effort to make the practice of Christianity or Judaism illegal; no one is trying to outlaw marriages between one man and one woman.

      You claim efforts by LGBT people and our supporters to achieve equality are somehow “anti-American,” but I would ask you, what could be more American than a group which has been historically marginalized to seek relief from that marginalization?

      • vicnicholls

        This is not equality. Going to a business with the express purpose to shut them down, lose business, is not equality.

        • SFBruce

          There’s no evidence this couple did what you claim.

          • vicnicholls

            So then why raise the stink once they found out it was religious? If I as a fundamentalist conservative Text based Christian go to a shop and they tell me they didn’t serve straight people there, I would leave and let Christians like me know privately that we weren’t welcomed and why. People just wouldn’t patronize the business but not one of them would threaten others.

            I’d say when you come in, knowing that gay marriage is a fire bomb, I’d have asked first whether or not gay marriages are welcome there for dresses. I wouldn’t have assumed it as a given.

            I also believe that on another article it was stated differently.

            Someone also tell me how it is they can’t get service at another shop?

          • Bob Johnson

            They simply posted their review on Facebook. I can go to Yelp and read lots of business reviews. Check what happened to pizzagate or the negative Christian reviews of Disneyland.

          • Michael C

            I’d say when you come in, knowing that gay marriage is a fire bomb, I’d have asked first whether or not gay marriages are welcome there for dresses. I wouldn’t have assumed it as a given.

            Some business owners hold the religious belief that people of different races shouldn’t get married. I’m sure you think these people are wrong, however, they have the religious freedom in this country to believe these things and live their lives according to their beliefs.

            Now, would to tell an interracial couple to ask the business owner if it’s okay for them to shop there? Would they be expected to ask if their business would be welcome?

          • vicnicholls

            Stop equating sin with the color of someones’ skin. I’ve seen a lot of African American people who don’t appreciate being used as the litmus test. It is different. Nowhere in the Bible does it say we can do that. If someone else’s religion was that way, I would like to know that. I would not patronize the business. Simple as that.

            We should know if a business supports or doesn’t and what issues. Let people take their business then to those they want to support. What I do solves the problem of where I want my money to support, the business doesn’t have to deal with me/someone they don’t want, and we’re all happy.

            Doesn’t require violence or threats either.

          • Michael C

            I didn’t equate “sin” with skin color.

            I equated something that some people might consider to be a “sin” with something else that some people might consider a “sin”.

            From your answer, it sounds as if you disagree with civil rights legislation in general. Most Americans don’t share this view.

          • vicnicholls

            Actually you did. It is Biblical no marriage between same sex. It is not Biblical that different races can’t marry.

            If they believe that, they are not Christians.

          • Bob Johnson

            Have you heard the 1960 Easter Sunday sermon by Bob Jones Sr. titled, “Is Segregation Scriptural”

          • Michael C

            If they believe that, they are not Christians.

            Firstly, Christianity (and specifically your brand of Christianity) is not the only religion in the US. Please go back and re-read my comment. I never made any claims about Christianity and interracial marriage.

            As I said, in the US, we have religious freedom. Any person is free to hold the religious belief that people of different races shouldn’t get married.

            According to the government, this religious belief is just as valid and just as protected as your religious belief that people of the same sex shouldn’t get married.

            Whether or not someone who believes that people of different races shouldn’t marry is or isn’t a “Real Christian™” is irrelevant. Christians in the past have used religion to support segregation and some Christians still do. That’s their right in this great nation.

          • vicnicholls

            We’re answering questions on Christians, not any one else. If you want answers on their issues, go ask them on their blogs/social media/group areas, not here. The topic issue is Christians and gays: no non man/woman human marriage. The answer has been given to you definitively by the Bible & we are repeating it. Full stop. You can compare apples to oranges all day but in the end, but it won’t matter. God’s Word has spoken on the subject.

          • Michael C

            We’re answering questions on Christians, not any one else.

            No. We’re talking about discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of religious reasoning.

            You are arguing that the business should have the religious freedom to refuse service if they disagree with the customer on religious grounds.

            Do you think that only Christians who share your specific beliefs should have religious freedom?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Typical lib hypocrite; you see “discrimination” as only a 1 way street; and fail to see the discrimination that’s going the other way at a harder pace!

          • Michael C

            Typical lib hypocrite; you see “discrimination” as only a 1 way street; and fail to see the discrimination that’s going the other way at a harder pace!

            Go on, do tell. Please explain to me what you’re talking about.

            …and I’m a “lib”?

          • sandraleesmith46

            HOW do you NOT see that violating the right of a person to reserve his work and art to that which he endorses is JUST as discriminatory as rejecting a person based on race?

          • Michael C

            The laws that prohibit discrimination on the basis of specific protected characteristics apply to all public accommodations regardless of the business owner’s personal religious beliefs, therefore… it’s not discrimination.

            Discrimination means singling out one category of people for disparate and unequal treatment.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Kindly learn the difference between a characteristic and a BEHAVIOR: the latter is what you’re actually defending and it’s not defensible!

          • Michael C

            Kindly learn the difference between a characteristic and a BEHAVIOR: the latter is what you’re actually defending and it’s not defensible!

            I’m getting the distinct impression that you oppose the laws that protect gay citizens from discrimination in public accommodations.

            Is this true?

          • sandraleesmith46

            I oppose all special privileges, yes; so take your trolling elsewhere.

          • Michael C

            I oppose all special privileges, yes;

            So you oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and you oppose all laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against Christians?

            so take your trolling elsewhere.

            Do you consider asking you to clarify your comments to be “trolling”? Do you consider explaining how the laws work in this great nation to be “trolling”? What is your definition of “trolling”?

            You’ve now called me a lib, hypocrite, and a troll.

          • sandraleesmith46

            LOOK TROLL: understand the difference between a gov’t given privilege and a GOD given natural right, and THEN come back to me!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            It’s really a simple yes-or-no question. Do you oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or not?

          • sandraleesmith46

            The civil rights act of ’64 doesn’t cover “sexual orientation” or other delusions; or did you not understand that in the plain English wording thereof? Yes I support it AS WRITTEN and intended; NOT as distorted and contorted in recent decades.

          • Michael C

            LOOK TROLL: understand the difference between a gov’t given privilege and a GOD given natural right, and THEN come back to me!

            sandraleesmith46, How can I understand this if you don’t explain it to me?

            Are you telling me that you should be protected from discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodations on the basis of your religious beliefs because that is your God given natural right,

            …but I should not be protected from discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodations on the basis of my sexual orientation because that would be considered a government given “special” right?

            Is this what you’re telling me?

          • Jason Todd

            Just because you don’t consider homosexuality a sin doesn’t make you any less a liar.

          • PorterCharles

            Just because you’re a homophobic asshole doesn’t make you any less despicable than you probably already were.

          • Jason Todd

            Flagged for profanity and blocked.

          • sagat

            The word of God is permanent you can twist and change all you like but it will forever remain when you and i leave this earth

          • vicnicholls

            Starting to become a troll. They’ve been told and just want to argue ad infinitum. That is because as a sinner that’s what Satans’ followers do every day. They know no peace. They attack us because they want to attack God.

          • sandraleesmith46

            That’s EXACTLY what you did, when you brought “mixed race” into the discussion.

          • wandakate

            There is also NO evidence this couple didn’t do that either! Only they know what they have done, and the condition of their own hearts. GOD knows and they know and that’s all that know. Everything beyond that one way or the other, for good or for bad, right or wrong is SPECULATION!!!

          • MamaBearly

            there is also NO evidence this couple DID do that either! But I like your comeback to the first sentence; it was right in line with what I’ve been trying to help others to realize about equal rights.
            You are totally right! Except because they had to make a world wide forced confession of sin just to get some equal rights, so now all the Christians, including the ones who don’t go by the gospel, think it gives them the right to punish them with words of derision and demeaning the person for their sin. Thing is, it still gives them no authority to punish anyone.
            Equal rights has nothing to do with anyone’s sin.It cannot or it would be a matter for everyone. It does not enable the sin in any way either.

            I’m glad someone else agrees with me about Jesus is the only one with the authority to punish. Punishment is for Judgement Day and not before by anyone else.
            God bless!

          • Jason Todd

            And the report on this matter from the “Warriors For Christ” Facebook page makes you ignorant.

      • wandakate

        No one is trying to outlaw marriages between one man and one woman…Of course they aren’t b/c it’s ALWAYS been that way from the beginning…If GOD almighty had wanted two men to be together or two women to be together then why on earth did he not create them as such????? Because that was “NOT” His plan from the beginning of time. It’s been the opposite sex (marriage) from the beginning and in GOD’s eyes, it’s still that way, NOTHING has changed in the heavens.
        Humanity may call it a “wedding” or “marriage” but in GOD’s eyes, it’s NEVER going to be that way, it’s only a worldly man-made union but it will NEVER ever be a real solid marriage, why? Because GOD said so and that’s the real reason… JESUS (the son of GOD) will “judge” ALL people in the end and the ones who broke GOD’s laws will account for that and serve their punishment whether we like it or not, or whether we believe that or not, it will be…
        JESUS did say, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”.

      • Jason Todd

        Christians are not under constant attack?

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        • MamaBearly

          Well, I would not say constant, but maybe frequent attacks and it may be because of their attack on others at times.
          It’s never a joke, Jason when people cannot get along. Jesus wants us all to love everyone. We have to try to get along or we won’t shine our light and give Glory to the Father, will we?
          Please recognize that the blame in this case could be on either side, but wouldn’t it be better to turn the other cheek about it. and love your “enemies” than to find out on judgement day that by treating others in the way you do gays, is a sin, and all sins, homosexuality to Murder and back again to Adultery are treated the same way by Jesus. With eternal tormenting. The people who are aware of the gospel know the chances they are taking by not following Jesus. The other people need to be told about Salvation and repentance, so they have a chance to choose to follow Jesus.
          No matter which sin you do, unless you have been saved and have repented of all your sins, and evil thoughts, you will be brought in Judgement about them. Unless you are white as snow from being forgiven, when Jesus comes, the only way you will still have salvation, is by justification. That is by the Lord.reviewing our lives and looking to see if there is justification for the sins with how you behaved most often, I’m guessing since Jesus showed us very plainly that we are supposed to be like Jesus, and that is not the way you talk to anyone you don’t agree with. Jesus treated everyone with Love because he loved us, and that is what we are supposed to do as well.
          Check your sins yourself like you are supposed to.
          God bless!

          • wandakate

            We are to HATE the sin and LOVE the sinner are we not? And as far as judgment, that’s up to “only” JESUS at that time. GOD the FATHER, gave JESUS CHRIST the SON the total/absolute authority to be the judge of human SOULS (people)…We aren’t judged by anybody ever but JESUS, b/c His judgment is the only judgment that will ever matter.
            We are NOT to pretend that sin isn’t sin, regardless of what sin it is. We are to turn away from ALL sin if we intend to please GOD and do His will by our obedience…The Bible tells us to NOT be friends with deliberate sinners, to NOT even eat with those people. Caution is the key I think.

          • Bob Johnson

            So, do you avoid all divorced people? Avoid dinner parties with President Trump? Voted for the only candidate to have only one spouse?

          • vicnicholls

            “You hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood; the
            LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit” (Ps. 5:5-6). “Everyone who acts unjustly is an abomination to the LORD
            your God,” says Deuteronomy 25:16. “The LORD tests the righteous and the
            wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates” (Ps. 11:5). The
            seven things that God hates in Proverbs 6:16-19 include “a false witness
            who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers.” He also
            hates “the perverse in heart” (Prov. 11:20), “everyone who is proud in
            heart” (Prov. 16:5), and whoever justifies the wicked or condemns the
            righteous (Prov. 17:15). “He was filled with wrath, and greatly
            abhorred Israel” (Ps. 78:59). “I have come to hate her,” he says (Jer.
            12:8; cf. Hosea 9:15). He also hated Esau (Edom), says Malachi 1:3 (cf.
            Rom. 9:13).

            So how is the love the sinner Biblical?

          • wandakate

            JESUS told the woman at the well to “GO AND SIN NO MORE”. He still loved her, but knew about her sin, and wanted her basically to follow Him. To confess it, repent of it and forsake it (not to do it anymore)…
            He didn’t condemn her to hell at that moment, but yet gave her His warning…I now know what your sin is, I know full well what you have done, and this isn’t right, so go your way and DO NOT do this anymore…
            He hated her sin, but He loved the sinner just the same.
            I had neighbors that were good to me and helped me so much when I fell and pulled the sciatic nerve in my right leg and cracked my pelvic bone at the same time, and one worked so it was hard for her to do much of anything for me, but the other one helped me in and out of my place, gave me her cell number in case I needed her, visited me, and tried her best to be a friend to me at the time. I will never forget that, but she was a lesbian and actually had had a ceremony with another woman and they had been together for 14 yrs.
            I knew they were living in sin (GOD hates our sin), so I hated their sin, but at the same time I had loved the sinner and reached out as best I could to her, and even gave her a book to read when I moved away from there…
            JESUS did tell us that nobody who is sexually immoral will enter the kingdom of GOD, but IF they will seek out JESUS and confess their sins, repent of them and forsake them He will NOT turn them away…

          • MamaBearly

            I wish I had read this post earlier.
            Wandakate, You make good points, and I expect it is the marriage and sin of sex with same gender, (which are sins that need repenting too), and I totally agree to what is said in scripture about sin. That being said, I can still be faithful by supporting them for general equal rights that is not about the sin so I am not sinning against God, I am supporting nothing that goes against my faith, I will state that without shame. But I can’t show someone any other behaviour than what I would wish for myself, or that Jesus did not point our during his ministry. It’s how I shine my light for Jesus.
            As I showed with my WWJD Jesus would not think that gays deserve those behaviours against them, when it is about equal rights not sin.
            God Bless you. and again I apologize for my words.

          • wandakate

            Hey, rest easy…now I do have to comment on this. You advocating for these people about equality and all their equal right is basically “approving” without realizing that is what you’re in effect doing.
            You see it’s like Christians that celebrate our pagan worldly holidays. They believe that Christmas Dec. 25th is JESUS birthday even though He was NOT born then. Even though He never ever told us to celebrate His birthday. He wanted us to remember His death and resurrection more than anything. He told the disciples at the LORD’s supper, “This do in remembrance of me.”
            His birthday wasn’t of any importance to Him.
            It’s like people participating in Halloween all the while saying “well it’s just kid fun”, something for the children to do, go out trick or treating and get mounds of candy, but just b/c we do that and dress up like a werewolf or a witch or a ghost doesn’t mean we are honoring satan. Well my questions is WHY does it not mean that you are? You see Halloween is nothing more than satan’s rightful holiday, therefore “ANY” participation on Oct. 31st is WRONG and should NOT ever be done by Christians. They may be well meaning in saying, “We don’t worship satan” b/c we celebrate this holiday, but what would JESUS do WWJD?????
            Would JESUS celebrate Halloween, or honor Christmas for that matter????? In my humble opinion NO, He absolutely would NOT, and we must not confuse equality/equal rights with sin that GOD told us not to have “ANYTHING” to do with. Hope you get my point.
            My point is basically…IF YOU SUPPORT ONE, YOU SUPPORT THEM ALL…meaning that you are in agreement with the whole idea and (their sin) would be part of that, just like when people celebrate Halloween as “just fun”, they are in effect celebrating a Pagan, worldly, satanic holiday “all in fun” so they think.
            Be careful what you advocate for. Be careful what you support, b/c the devil is there in the mixture and laughing all the way at just how much we follow him without realizing that we are.

          • MamaBearly

            First of all, I checked with my Pastor first so I would be sure of what I am saying. He knows God’s Word better than I do, so I trust him to tell me if I am wrong in what I say.
            This is why I am advocating for their Equal rights.

            I don’t know if you realize it, but gays are treated far worse than they should be. It isn’t just about them marrying.

            I talked to them and I am accepting their help because they help me with different views that I need to understand before I can tell them what the bible says about it, so I am still doing God’s word, and you can’t do that with unbelievers unless you talk to them. I might explain it in a slightly different way than they understand it, and who knows what might happen to these unbelievers if they hear the Word. (God knows!)

            Besides, they may be unbelievers, but they know the bible really well from making their choices about God, and they often give me scriptures that will help me to help others understand. They will listen to my talk about my religion without condemnation, or rudeness like some of the posters here do.

            For one thing, without the sin of marriage – which is part of the sin of homosexuality, and will make no difference to God whether it is just being gay or if they married as well. right? It’s God’s authority to punish the people who will not repent, not ours. Our job is to encourage them to believe and repent. Otherwise we are to leave them alone. No criticism for their choice. No calling them all sorts of names. We were once without our Lord’s grace and some of us were older when we did hear his call. There is no reason why these people involved in the sin, can’t turn to Jesus and repent. It is to be their choice once they know the whole thing right up to Eternal Life. We can’t make them. God won’t make them. That’s what we were told in the scriptures.

            It is not love of everyone when someone is being cruel or rude to someone for their sin.

            It is also not the way we want to be treated.

            As far as not giving Equal Rights to them because if we give them any we have to give them all of them. So like the WWJD questions I posted to you before about Equal Rights, I ask you again.

            Do you agree that someone should not have housing or heat because of their sin.
            Do you think someone should take a bag of groceries that you picked out, FOOD, and refuse to let you buy them, so you have to go across town to get the same FOOD For Your sin.

            Do you agree that taking away the basics of life is right to take away from anyone in the world. Food, housing, health care, school, etc.

            Let’s say you go to a restaurant to meet your female cousin. When you meet, when you haven’t seen each other for a long time, you hug the cousin. Then, the two of you, arms around each other, go to the desk to check in and get seated.

            and being refused service because of the show of affection when the second one arrives. Big hugs and kisses on the cheek, can be to some, the sign of homosexuals.
            Maybe the restaurant won’t believe you when you deny their words. It depends on who is the one to deny them the service.

            You wouldn’t like to be refused service for not being gay. Do you think it is right, because of someone’s sin, to refuse service because they are the same sex, because it is not proof that two people are gay. Not in today’s in Canada or America.

            So by denying these basic human rights in Canada or the U.S. it makes it a human right that they can marry. Can you really say that they don’t deserve those things?

            I don’t think so, so it must be strictly about the marriage subject when you are troubled by giving them Equal Rights? Are there any other rights that they are asking for that trouble you about them beyond the act of the sin and the marriages.

            You must remember our duty is to tell them so they can believe and repent.

            It is still each one of us that makes the decision to repent. If they don’t they must know about the whole thing about Salvation, not just repentance and hell, before they can truly choose. Anyone who chooses to follow Jesus knows about Salvation, so they have the same chance to turn to Jesus.

            Let me know if you understand why I support their Equal Rights, but not the sin. and if it would be right to refuse E.Rights because of one sin, and not give them anything at all? I’ve always agreed that sins need repentance, but if you don’t realize that God told us that no sin is bigger than another when it comes to punishment. I can give you the scripture for anything I say. Jesus wanted the world to be a place of love, without sin, and being anything but loving them in your heart, will be the only way it won’t be considered a sin. We must do what Jesus said, but God made it clear about the punishment being the same Himself, in the O.T.

            I look forward to your reply.

            God bless!

          • vicnicholls

            If your Pastor is Joel Osteen he wouldn’t know John from Revelation. He can misquote things out of context but sure doesn’t know where repentance is in the Bible.

          • MamaBearly

            No Thanks… I’d never go to a megachurch. too impersonal for me.
            Besides, everything I’ve heard about him, he doesn’t sound like a man of God to me at all. My Pastor is definitely a Man of God. Chosen by God.
            I do agree with you that scriptures should not be twisted to suit the person’s viewpoint, but then again, I guess believing in one way, and hearing another one, isn’t necessarily twisting it in one or the other case. It could just be a different interpretation that a lot of denominations vary about.
            I am not saying anyone’s view is wrong anyway. I am telling people that they should read the gospel. I tell them how I view it or why something they said is wrong according to the gospel, and tell them to read it again for themselves.
            There are a few posters here that sounds like they have ignored the commandments about love altogether. I just want to try to spread the gospel and help others to recognize what it is telling us. It’s my duty to Jesus to spread the gospel.
            God bless and have a great day!

          • vicnicholls

            The Bereans were considered more noble because they searched the Scriptures. The heart of man is wicked. All in the Bible. We are to use the Bible to judge, not what we see/hear/think.

            If peoples’ views go against the Bible, then they’re wrong. I am not the one telling them that. The Scriptures do that.

            God is more than love. He is also mercy, justice, etc. which tempers His love. He loved humans enough to send His Son to die for us, but that doesn’t mean His justice isn’t going to love everyone into Heaven.

          • MamaBearly

            I am quite in accord with your post. I usually point out the Love that Jesus had for us as the strongest part of his Ministry. Any of those attributes are covered by love if it is the love Agape: “Highest love; Unconditional; Self –sacrificial”
            “To have at heart the welfare + best interest of the object loved”
            But they are used in love so they would be necessary in forgiving sins, and loving us despite our sins.

            I don’t usually tell people they are ‘wrong’; I usually tell them what the gospel says and tell them to search the scriptures like Jesus said to do if anyone talks about the bible, we, everyone of us, should search the scriptures to learn the Truth.

            What I am doing is taking the duty of being a disciple of Jesus, and putting it here to help others who might not know, or haven’t heard of something I have said and they check it out. (More of God’s Word: more understanding)
            I firmly believe that each of us are responsible for our own salvation. That takes reading God’s Word until we truly know it, and learning from a Teacher of God, so you know it well enough that you know the Truth and believe and give their lives to Jesus, and repent for sins because of the love we have for him. Not just because we have been told to repent. We can help others to desire more of Jesus just by explaining things on the comment board as often as we are able to – depending on the article.

            We can help them see their errors, as Jesus said to tell each other when one is in error and to correct them. So if something they post is not said in the scriptures we have a duty to correct them; It would have been better to be done in private messages only because we should not rebuke them in public. But that option is not on this site, so we have to explain the Truth without condemnation, and try to have them see their own error as we point to the gospel scriptures. I think if someone refuses to even consider someone’s correction, and that someone’s correction is in God’s word, they are condemned by Jesus for not searching the scriptures and finding out if their words are there. Just as we have to when they reply, most often.

          • vicnicholls

            The reason why Matt 7:21-23 was said is to figure out those like Joel Osteen from those like John MacArthur. Hypocrite from truth teller. You can also see who lives John 14:15 because those who don’t obey/follow His Word means you don’t love Him enough to change to conform to His Word.

          • MamaBearly

            No Wandakate, we’re not, but we are supposed to love each other so that we will not want to hurt each other, and although we need to tell people to repent for their sins, we do not have to do it the way some Christians do it.
            The only reason that the gays are “out” everywhere is because they want equal rights. It was what I call, a forced confession to the whole world, what their sin was, just so they could live a life that means they can do the same things we do every day, and not be harassed.

            Wandakate, this is what I call my WWJD quiz about equal rights of gays, or anyone else.
            Would Jesus say that anyone should not be given proper shelter and heat? because of their sin?
            Would Jesus say that anyone should have to suffer without food, medicine, necessities? because of their sin?
            Would Jesus say that any sinner should make a reservation at a restaurant, but when they and their Best Friend come to eat, they refuse to seat you? because of their sin?

            There are other things that are happening to PEOPLE, that sin, just like you and I do.
            One sin is not bigger than another. It’s in the scriptures: God is no respecter of persons, and will not give different punishes for different sins: they all get the same punishment. And punishment is for Judgement Day and Jesus. Not for us.

            I am trying to point the true objective of the gays decision to come out to the world, just so they could live a life like we do. Yes their sin seems bigger, mostly because we can’t understand it. Those who have never experienced those type of attractions, as I have not, automatically think “sex…. ewwww!!” because people do not recognize that they are there for a different reason that discussing their sin. They want to be considered as equal to other sinners. lol! They are people, and sinners, just like we are and they are people first, just like we are. If they had not come out to the whole world, they would not have been given those equal rights, which they should have had without having to take a stand at all.
            I’m about the love that Jesus wanted us to show each other. The kind of love that we have to show other sinners is this. We are to ask to sit and talk, ask them if they know the whole story of salvation; ask if you can speak the story to make sure they have not been thinking “gays go to hell” is what salvation means; encourage them to think about repenting and being saved. Then it is up to them and we have nothing else we are supposed to do.
            Our duty is to make sure everyone knows the plans of salvation with repentance. Not just the bits and pieces that people hear and believe is the only part of salvation.
            Our love is telling anyone the gospel, living it, doing good works, shining a light that says we as Christians are happier being with Jesus, so others will see the light, and it will give God the Glory.
            Our love is shown by not talking about it in public. I mean, if you had to go up and openly confess your sins to the whole church when you first came to church, and needed to be reborn, would you want to join the church?
            Jesus was here to minister to his people; Every scripture he is in, is about a lesson in behaviour for us to know and follow. He spoke of Adultery, murder, rape to give the men and us, the knowledge of those sins, because it would not be something he would, at that time, discuss with the women of the Multitudes. He wanted to make sure we knew that those things were considered sins, but he was not saying that they are any worse than any other sin; the word abomination means disgusting, so no doubt the Lord God Almighty does find it disgusting, and especially that, as the creator, his creation was, in his eyes, corrupting his creation to be something that he never intended to happen. I think anyone who creates something might find it disgusting when someone makes the creation and someone else hacks into it, so to speak?
            I spoke to my Pastor about my discussing things with non-believers and for one thing, it is about the Equal Rights stand, that I even know them. I did not stand back and watch what other people do about them, I needed to know what it was that made them put their sin on public display. So I asked them, one at a time, about the stand. I asked them why they highlight their “sin”, rather than something else, because the idea of the sin can bother people, if that is all they see. I thought if they could redirect the initial response to something everyone else is the same. That became a discussion that helped me understand that the stand was for equal rights. Equal Rights has nothing to do with whether or not they are able to “do” their sin. Nothing.
            I have always said that homosexuality is a sin that needs repenting to be saved, just like all the other sins are. I do not say that they are not sinning or anything else against my God’s Word. I just don’t believe that Equal Rights is about sin.
            Jesus would not call calling out their sins without the complete gospel to give them understanding, love. It isn’t because we are not helping them to understand why it is a sin, and why it has a punishment of eternal torment. Without the rest of the story of salvation, how can they choose to follow Jesus?
            As far as the sin of marriage between gays, I trust God, and I stand by my faith.
            I too look forward to the day that both gays and Christians can get along, and not have to bring others to court to settle it. I think it will happen eventually, but not for a while. Gays have been hurt for a long time, and some were hurt is tragic ways, and it is human nature that we have to learn not to do, for them not to want to hurt back.
            We have that tendency too, but we are helped by knowing our Jesus. Until they can truly forgive the Christians for the way they were treated all these years, in so many ways, there will be some that will sue Christians because some Christians will never show them the love that Jesus wants us to show each other, and those can be rude and demeaning, which are sins. I think if I were treated like they have when it comes to equal rights? It would be a horrible life to try to live without so many things that we take for granted. There is no reason to make anyone feel worthless, no matter what their sin is. Jesus would not do that to people, especially in public, except the scribes and Pharisee, which was to teach them their sins, and us about hypocrisy.
            If it is not in the bible, it is not truth. See if you can find anywhere in the NT that we are supposed to take away someone’s equal rights, and I will change my posts, but I know it won’t be there; Even Jesus did not punish while he was here to minister. He certainly did not tell us to be Judge, Jury and Jailer for anyone for their sins.
            I hope this helps you understand the difference between showing love by trying to make people feel bad about themselves, and showing it by letting other people have the same rights as we do.
            God bless!

          • wandakate

            Appreciate the advise and I must add that you do have some good points.
            Sin is sin I agree, and ALL sin MUST be confessed, repented of and forsaken in order for souls (people) to be in the coming Kingdom of GOD on earth. In looking in Revelation I find chapter 22:vs 15…BUT OUTSIDE ARE DOGS AND SORCERS AND “THE SEXUALLY IMMORAL” AND MURDERERS AND IDOLATERS, AND WHOEVER LOVES AND PRACTICES A LIE…We can see here that JESUS will NOT accept them into the Kingdom unless they decide to denounce that sin…Thanks for your input, it was well written.
            Blessings.

          • MamaBearly

            Thank you for the compliments.
            Ok but that does not mean you defile someone for their sin, to make them feel badly about their sin, when it is not any different than any other sin, and that they can somehow force them to change their habits and believe in God.
            Also Revelation is telling us about the end times, and besides I do not say they should not be told to repent, no, I never have. What I have said is about just their equal rights that as people they should have had long ago, and that is not abetting a sin.
            Yes I will give you the marriage problem on top of the ewww sex sins because they are against my Jesus, and I trust him and have faith in him and I can’t follow him properly if I will not allow him to work on whom he wants to. People can change and come to follow Jesus. I did. I know others who have as well.
            Jesus wants all to come to salvation, but honestly do you think anyone would want to be humiliated and yelled at as something people view as an “bigger sin” with other people watching. How do you know that they know about the whole offer of salvation from repentance, and not just “gays go to hell”. You cannot tell. even if they say they do know it, we need to ensure that they truly do, because otherwise we are not giving them the choice to follow Jesus or not. I believe that Jesus wants all people to come to him on their own (free will) so trying not to sin is something they want to do. But he gives people until the day Jesus comes to change to the right mindset by being reborn. I can’t know what God looks at, and I can’t think so highly of myself to even think I could make a decision for God. I am a servant of the Lord, not of people.
            God blessings!!

          • wandakate

            Not sure why you thought I was judging people. I had the neighbors that I mentioned and I never judged them. Loved my neighbor in that situation just as much as if they were a man and a women married.
            Don’t recall putting anybody down either.
            So, I don’t think there’s anything else to discuss here. I am sending you blessings and signing off.

          • MamaBearly

            Ok sorry I didn’t mean to offend. I am over zealous trying to get others to understand it. I am honestly sorry.
            Thank you for your blessings and your compliments and again I am sorry for not understanding your view. I pray you will forgive me.
            God Bless!

          • wandakate

            Well of course I forgive you b/c we all see things differently, and not everybody understands everybody else.
            Christians are told to forgive others so that they in turn will be forgiven. JESUS won’t forgive us unless we forgive those who trespass against us.
            I just take the Bible very literally and JESUS did tell us that the sexually immoral will NOT enter the Kingdom of GOD. They MUST repent, confess and forsake those sins before JESUS appears.
            He will appear in the clouds with a multitude of angels to call up the dead that are in their graves and bring them to heaven to GOD the FATHER. Our rapture, the 1st resurrection of the dead and the Glorious Appearing of JESUS (YESHUA) are ALL the very same event…

            When the Bible tells me something I take it literally as fact and truth (as much as possible considering it was translated into English from Greek, Hebrew and Latin).
            You’re already forgiven so rest and be blessed.

          • MamaBearly

            I love the way you do that… teach while you discuss something with another poster. I like to do that too. It’s our duty to spread the gospel and I love that I can do it like this as I’m not much for standing in front of people and preaching (or talking much for that matter). I do however articulate my beliefs well and I try to explain not just in scriptures, but with scriptures behind it, so I can help non-believers and new converts understand in a clearer way. Anyone who is Christian, is welcome to find a scripture that proves what I say is wrong. Anyone else, if I can’t explain something properly, other than to discuss it with another poster, I still try to help them learn enough by my words, to look for themselves. I always suggest others read the gospel for themselves because it is not my words I explain, it is God’s Word, and everyone should read it.
            So thanks for your forgiveness, and thanks too for your posts that talk of love, not punishment. I will watch for them to enjoy your discussions. And support you whenever I can. God bless you, my sister, always.

      • NCOriolesFan

        If they would shut up and act normal, they would not live their lives in fantasy marginalization.

        • MamaBearly

          So what if the situation was reversed, would you want to change your whole being because someone else insists you do?
          Jesus knew there would be sinners like this and still allowed it to happen. Do you think that he would like what you said?
          If you feel it’s a fantasy, that is for you to choose. Good luck with that.
          We don’t think it’s a fantasy and that is for us to choose. We know what is coming but because of your choice you won’t admit to it. won’t believe it.
          As I said that is the choice everyone has to make.
          We aren’t supposed to bother people who are non-believers that actually know the gospel, no matter what they believe.
          Do you know the whole story of salvation? The whole of the Gospel in the whole of the NT.
          So I guess from that last part that it would be a “good luck with that” and I am not expecting you to ask about Salvation to ensure you honestly know what it is. Again, Your Choice. You are not better or worse than we are so neither side should criticize each other, as we are equals.
          But don’t criticize other people for their own views, whether about a God, or anything else you don’t happen to believe in. If you think the way you comment is an invitation to be anything like you, I think you should see what the Gospel tell you so you will have a happier, joyful life instead the questionable life you infer to with your posts.
          God bless!

      • sandraleesmith46

        Tell that to Baronelle Stutzman and the Kleins and dozens of others around the country who have been fired or run out of business and sued out of all they had for standing on their faith!

    • sagat

      Muslims like the gay minority have special rights and cannot be touched.. There is a video on YouTube were this fake “gay” man went into a Muslim bakery to get a cake for his “wedding” he was turned away and no whisper from the liberal thugs on social media

      • Michael C

        There is a video on YouTube were this fake “gay” man went into a Muslim bakery…

        The fake customer in that fake video was not refused service by the Muslim owned bakeries. He later told a reporter for Western Journalism that “no one said ‘No, we won’t do it.’” He just edited the video to make it look like he was refused service. In fact, one of the bakeries in the video has sold wedding cakes to gay customers in the past.

  • NCOriolesFan

    Gay trouble makers.

    • PorterCharles

      Christian bigots.

    • The Dove

      They got no families or children, and they’re very unhappy and bored.

      • Ben Brigs

        Haaa, of course they do..

  • Barefoot

    Given what the typical les looks like, I would just charm them extra for plus-plus-plus sizes.

  • Dianne

    Proverbs 13:21 Evil pursueth sinners: but to the righteous good shall be repayed.

    Psalm 34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

  • sandraleesmith46

    They hurt many over their selfish wants and don’t care about anyone else!