Parents of Eight-Year-Old Boy Who Identifies as Girl Sue School for ‘Forcing’ Son ‘to Live as a Boy’

YORBA LINDA, Ca. — The parents of an eight-year-old California boy who identifies as a girl have sued the private school that their son had been enrolled in for allegedly “being forced to live as a boy,” including requiring him to wear the boys’ uniform and not using his preferred female name or pronoun.

“When any adult says to a child, ‘You may not live according to your gender identity,’ that is serious emotional distress,” attorney Mark Rosenbaum told reporters. “There isn’t anything more heartless in the world than telling a child ‘do not follow your heart.’”

Jaspret Brar and Priya Shah are seeking compensatory damages from Heritage Oak Private Education over the matter, as well as a change to the school’s policies. They state that their son, who goes by the name Nikki, has experienced emotional trauma over the situation.

“Heritage Oak repudiated Nikki’s core identity. It refused to use the name, pronoun, and gender corresponding to Nikki’s gender identity, required Nikki to wear the boy’s uniform and use the boy’s restroom, and failed to address the bullying that Nikki was subjected to because of her gender identity and gender expression,” the lawsuit states.

As a result, “Nikki became depressed and talked about self-harm; she isolated herself socially and would not play with other children at recess because she could not be herself with them; she would not participate in school-related events after hours when she had to wear boy’s clothes; and she felt that the school was blocking her ‘inner light.'”

Brar and Shah have since pulled their child out of school, stating that the last straw was when he tore a photograph of himself in half and declared, “I hate myself.”

The school responded to the lawsuit with a statement advising that it needed time to contemplate how it would educate elementary school students about gender identity, and noted that it had offered other options to the family in the interim, which were refused.

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“We believed it was extremely important to respond, not hastily, but with deliberate care, to decide when and how to inform and educate our entire elementary school community of students, staff and parents about the mid-year change of gender identity expression of a young child,” it said. “Due to the sensitivity of the issue and age of the child, we believed we needed expert guidance regarding timing … process and age-appropriate communication.”

“We told the family we had decided to retain an outside consultant to assist us, and we were communicating with the family on a consistent basis to discuss potential experts and specific accommodations (in addition to the other accommodations we had already offered, such as use of the single-unit staff bathroom, specific options as to girl’s uniform clothing and girl’s hairstyle, as well as ceasing to use gender groupings in physical education activities),” the school explained.

“Unfortunately, these accommodations were rejected and the parents withdrew their child.”

Rosenbaum says that the issue was not the school’s timing, but the “roadblocks” that were created for the student.

In addition to seeking policy changes, punitive damages and payment of attorney’s fees, Brar and Shah want the school to incorporate discussions on transgenderism in its curriculum.

Heyer

Walt Heyer, a man who identified as a woman for eight years until he became regenerated by the Spirit of God, wrote an article earlier this year remarking that allowing those with gender dysphoria to conform their bodies to their psychology is not the answer.

“Too many U.S. medical practitioners direct all gender-distressed people toward the extreme measures of conforming the body to the mind, rather than exploring the psychological issues that lie beneath the feelings,” he stated. “Giving powerful hormones and recommending radical surgeries without screening for psychological issues first causes great harm to the patients and their families.”

“Many people who are regretful and suicidal followed to the letter the generally accepted treatment protocol of doctor-prescribed hormone therapy and genital surgery,” Heyer, who now helps those with sex-change regret, outlined. “It is not homophobic, transphobic, or bigoted to look at the causes of dissatisfaction and suicide among the transgender population. Rather, it is a caring, heartfelt way to prevent dissatisfaction and suicides.”


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  • Amos Moses – He>i

    “There isn’t anything more heartless in the world than telling a child ‘do not follow your heart.’”

    yes there is …. when the human heart is “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked” …… allowing that child to live a lie and not correct his error ….. that is the ultimate hate crime here …… and the picture of the “lovely family” above ….. smiling all the while as they are all headed to destruction …… /SMH ………

    Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    • Garbage Adams

      They are not headed to destruction. They look like a perfectly normal family to me in every respect. Judge not.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        looks can be deceiving ……… you are JUDGING them ………….. want people to stop judging ….. then YOU stop judging FIRST ……….

        • Garbage Adams

          I’m not judging them. You are. Leave them alone. Stop picking on them and calling them names and condemning them with hellfire. Christianity is supposed to be kind.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you MOST CERTAINLY ARE …… “They look like a perfectly normal family to me” … that is YOU JUDGING THEM ………… so if you want people to stop it ….. THEN YOU STOP IT ………….

          • Garbage Adams

            How is it judging them to state that they look like a normal family?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ummmmm …. HOW … IS …. IT ….. NOT …………..

          • Garbage Adams

            Because…there…is…no…judgement…being…made?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            saying they are normal ….. IS A JUDGEMENT ………… so yes it is ………… DUUUUHHHHH!!!!! …..

          • Garbage Adams

            Oh! Is it? Well then what is it called when you start talking about hellfire?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i said nothing about hell fire …. i said destruction …. there is a difference …….. and contrary to your less than half a line of scripture …… christians are given ALL AUTHORITY to judge GOOD AND EVIL …………. we are commanded to judge righteous judgement ………..

          • Garbage Adams

            All headed to destruction! Hellfire, destruction, what’s the difference? You aren’t God, and I don’t recognize any scripture that gives you the right to dish out judgment like this…but I sure see lots of scripture that tells you NOT to.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You aren’t God, and I don’t recognize any scripture that gives you the right to dish out judgment like this”

            you do not accept any scripture …. so you have NOTHING to rely on to tell me anything ……

          • Garbage Adams

            This has nothing to do with scripture and everything to do with you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            this is a CHRISTIAN forum …. everything here has to do with SCRIPTURE …………….

          • Garbage Adams

            Only if you follow it correctly.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you do not know scripture ….. you have no idea …. all you have is accusation …….. AND NO SCRIPTURE ………..

          • Garbage Adams

            This is not about scripture. This is about people using scripture for nefarious means.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and you still have no scripture to prove your point ….. and that is …. ironically ….. GARBAGE ……..

          • Garbage Adams

            I’m not providing scriptures. You are doing that. And doing so in a way that misrepresents them and uses them for purposes other than what they were intended.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have no scripture to prove your point ….. we are done here topanga ………

          • Garbage Adams

            Why would I use scriptures to tell you that your understanding of scripture is incorrect or faulty? All I need to know is that you say things that don’t sound like any Christian I have ever met.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i said we are done here Tobago ………..

          • Garbage Adams

            You don’t make the rules.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            about who i talk to and about what …. i surely do ……. Zamora ……..

          • Garbage Adams

            Block me then. I will call out anything that is cruel or blatantly false.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yawn … boring …. i can ignore you with out “blocking you” …… i have never blocked anyone …. and if you are going to “call out anything that is cruel or blatantly false” then you had better start with all of your own posts ….. all EIGHTY TWO of them ……….

          • Garbage Adams

            Well, you don’t speak for God and you don’t get to play God in terms of dictating when conversations are over. If you disagree, ignore me or block me, but you will not stop me from speaking my mind on a discussion board when your Christian behavior could not be any less Christian. I can take whatever stupid names you want to call me, it just speaks to your character.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God has spoken for himself ….. as christians we speak His words …. so we do not have to speak for Him ….. yawn ….. boring …………

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Correct Amos.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            If you want to hear Gods voice, read the Bible. If you want to hear His voice audibly, read the Bible out loud.

          • Garbage Adams

            I have, many times, and he said nothing about destroying families with transgender children.

          • GordonHardiman

            Maybe try answering the questions people are asking you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and what question do you have …….. i saw no question … only unsupported accusation ….. and no scripture to back it up ……..

          • GordonHardiman

            He told you that. You were the one using scripture and using it to justify destruction in this young family.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … god has declared His word and what leads to destruction … and the family is destroying this young childs life ……….

          • Knowledge Transfer

            We don’t have to be God to know what God will do. He has revealed it. Look at you! You are the thorn among the roses.

          • RWH

            Amos, I don’t think that you know what the word judgment means. To accept things as they are is not to make a judgment in the sense that you want it to be.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … i think YOU do not know what judgement means ….. there is what YOU want it to mean ….. if you have EVER been to a state fair and they JUDGED and jelly or pie …. then you would know it was JUDGED ….. it was judged good or evil ….. BUT IT WAS STILL JUDGED ……….

          • RWH

            Amos. I think that you had look again at your dictionary or to buy a new one. When referring to people in the context of this post, the word judge means to pass judgment on. It means to speak negatively. Neither I nor Garbage Adams were speaking negatively about this family, but you certainly are. Now, you may decide to hedge around words or pretend ignorance, but neutral readers without an agenda know exactly what you are up to. Maybe it would do you good to come clean for a change.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            more of your self defeating statements ……… judgement is judgement …. and as i said …. there is what you WANT it to mean and what it means ………

          • RWH

            My goodness. We have an individual here who does not believe in absolutes. Word meanings are all relative. Does this apply to your theology as well? You don’t like the definition, just make up a new one? Just hedge around word meanings in the hope that you can deceive, or better still, make it so you think that people said things that they actually didn’t say? Well, a lot of us are on to you, and this nihilistic attitude of yours just shows that you are an individual who is not to be trusted. Those types just sit on the sidelines and whale their eyes out while society passes them by.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            scripture defines scripture ….. you have none ……… all christians are given authority to judge between good and evil …..

          • RWH

            Amos. Judgment belongs to the Lord. Christians are to try the spirits. Your definition of judgment is to be obnoxious, to denigrate others, to make Christians look like ugly people who can’t get along with others. And it is especially ugly when people come to conclusions with the most minimal of facts. You don’t know the family. You don’t know the child. You don’t know the agonizing decisions they made. All you know how to do is to pass judgment and be ugly and repulsive.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Do we judge when we vote? Do we judge when we forgive? Do we judge when we serve on juries? Isn’t “JUDGEMENT” a sought after skill and talent for all decision makers who are paid to make judgments on people? By the way, the over used and almost always abused “Judge Not” sound bite doesn’t mean don’t judge. Actually, it means the opposite. The knowledge deprived myrmidons who rifle off that fire; ready; aim regurgitation lack or choose to ignore why it was said in the bible and to whom it was directed.

            It was directed to the hypocrites called the Scribes and Pharisees who would judge others while being guilty of the same exact grave sin or crime. WE are called to judge grave publicly celebrated evil like sodomy and the insane amputating butchery of children for passing feeeeeeeelings because transgender feeeeeeelings are almost always temporary save for the truly insane.

            If enablers like you don’t start judging, you yourself will be judged. As just one of many biblical citations Ezekiel 33:8-9 CLEARLY states: “If I tell the wicked man that he shall surely die [meaning going to Hell], and you do not speak out to dissuade the wicked man from his ways, the wicked man shall die from his guilt, but I will hold you responsible for his death. But if you warn the wicked man, trying to turn him from his ways, and he refuses to turn from his ways, he will die for his guilt, but you shall save yourself.” Jesus flew into a rage when he caught money changers and gamblers desecrating the Holy Temple. The human body is considered by God as a Temple for the Holy Spirit. Sins against the Holy Spirit are unforgivable.

          • Garbage Adams

            “Enablers” he says.

            How about just letting people live and let live? Your morality is only one kind of morality, and non-Christians can make perfectly sound moral decisions too.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            How about answering the questions asked! Do you have a degree in Dodge Ball? The Bible isn’t just for Christians.

          • Garbage Adams

            Are you actually serious? The key is the word “wicked” which by your definition means practically everything, but to more reasonable people isn’t a word you can slather over all the things you don’t like. I’m not DODGING anything.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            What you know about what you think you know could fit into the head of a pin with enough room left over for each of the 7 billion + worldwide inhabitants to own and occupy 700 centillion 880 quadrillion square mile farms or private estates. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ASKED!

          • Garbage Adams

            Here is a recap of all your stupid questions. Let’s start with the definition of “judge”: “Form an opinion or conclusion about”.

            Do we judge when we vote? No, we entrust.

            Do we judge when we forgive? No.

            Do we judge when we serve on juries? Yes.

            Isn’t “JUDGEMENT” a sought after skill and talent for all decision makers who are paid to make judgments on people? No. Everyone forms judgements and some of them are worthless.

            JUDGE NOT means basically your opinion or conclusion is not solicited and not warranted, and many people would do well to remind themselves of that.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Do we judge when we entrust?
            Forgiving requires making judgments.
            Otherwise, how does forgiveness happen?
            If we judge when on juries, the other judgements
            are just as valid. Executives make resource allocation
            judgments all the time.Executives make human resource
            judgments all the time. Making judgments is essential
            to civilization. Without making discriminatory judgments,
            civilization wouldn’t remain civilized. Principle means
            doing the same exact thing [judgment] under different
            circumstances. All standards’ rule; regulations; laws
            adinfinitum make judgments. What you want is a judgement
            free world.

            As one of the most dolt ridden dragoons, see if you can deduce
            a credible answer to this question. Why do we discriminate
            and make judgments when we refuse to allow blind people to drive cars
            or fly planes?

            Also, dearest dimwit, why do you ignore the clear call for making judgment as CLEARLY shown in Ezekiel 33:8-9?????????????

          • Garbage Adams

            I’m sorry, you are too colossally, monumentally out of your mind for me to continue to talk to. You possess a level of stupidity that I didn’t think was possible in a breathing human being.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You won’t answer the questions because even a drip like you wouldn’t be able to twist even a twisted answer to them. You are so incredibly weak and easy! Of course you are what eventually happens when perversion is pampered and perverts are pacified. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You wouldn’t recognize a rule.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Sure, we should let rapists; child molesters; murderers; arsonists; thieves; and felons of limitless description live and let live so that they can do what they want to do whenever they want to do it so long as they don’t hurt you. Surely, you would agree to let Charles Manson live and let live so he could come to your home for a visit.

          • Garbage Adams

            All the behaviours you describe are abuses, they are NOT examples of “live and let live”. People like you don’t comprehend the concept of consenting adults. No one is being abused, you just hate what they do.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            The despots who have glorified despotism throughout history were consensual depots were they not? If two children consent to jumping off of buildings, are such consensual behaviors abusive to the consensual children and those who are crushed by their falling bodies when they hit the ground? Actually, consensual perversion or voluntary perversion is more evil than involuntary or coerced perversion because FREE WILL is used to pervert consensually. You simply want to be justified in you unjustifiable perversions so you support and justify the perversions of others. Misery has always loved company.

          • Garbage Adams

            Children aren’t old enough to consent, and that goes for sexual situations just as it does for jumping off buildings, which is obviously
            a self-destructive practice. COMPLETELY unlike a same-sex adult
            consensual relationship which harms no one.

            “Perversion” in this sense is entirely a matter of your opinion. Just as I find it perverse in the extreme what you do to the words of your Bible to inflict your hate and judgement on others. Your analogy has failed.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            This post was on parents who help their children become freaks. You brain has failed. Nevertheless, saluting sodomy [the always lifeless and often lethal homosexual monogamy] is like cheering on those who play in; eat from and sleep in unflushed toilets. The INFAMOUS CRIME AGAINST NATURE is defined by one word. That one word is SODOMY. Sodomy is the CRIME AGAINST NATURE. Therefore, Sodomy isn’t natural. The incineration of Sodom is evidence and proof of its foul; filthy; fruitless; fatal; and fecal evilness.

            Then we have the deadly siblings of sodomy: “rimming”; “fisting”; “bare backing”; “bug chasing”; “pegging”; “felching”; “taking the express”; “circuit parties”; “brown showers”; “golden showers”; “scatting”; “fulsome street parades” etc. etc. etc. Homo’s gladly suffer from exponentially higher shares of all sexually transmitted diseases far in excess of their puny shares of the general population. This includes the granddaddy of them all HIV/AIDS a homocentrically inspired pandemic.

            Has a pregnancy ever occurred in a rectum – especially a male rectum?

          • Garbage Adams

            Um – this is an article about a child dressing in drag and putting on a show. And here you are going on about crimes against nature, sodomy, and assorted sexual practices, which although I’m not an expert on like you are, are fascinating, but hardly related to the subject at hand. Although I will admit your phrase “fecal evilness” gave me a good laugh…I don’t even WANT to know what that means.

            “Has a pregnancy ever occurred in a rectum?”

            No, but again, how is that related to a child dressing in drag and putting on a show, and for that matter, why would you think the goal of anal sex would be to achieve pregnancy?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            There you go again. You are so easy. You are the one that brought the “same-sex” nonsense up when you said: “COMPLETELY unlike a same-sex adult consensual relationship that hurts no one.” Since the oxymoronic inverted and perverted anti-sexual degeneracy of sodomy – the same-sex monogamy – is harmful to everyone as it leads to the extinction and the extermination of humanity…like the Neutron bomb. Thus the nee to correct your garbage.

          • Garbage Adams

            Again, you’re talking about sodomy when this story is about a transgendered child not even old enough to know about sexual practices. And you seem completely unaware of the fact that sodomy is widely practiced by straight people.

            I maintain that same-sex adult consensual relationships hurt no one. If you want to introduce a laundry list of bizarre sexual practices, make sure you list only the ones homosexuals practice if you don’t want to be labelled a complete hypocrite. What’s that? You CAN’T name any that aren’t also practiced by straight people? Well. Imagine that.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You are the one who brought up same sex! Why did you?

          • Garbage Adams

            “sodomy – the same-sex monogamy – is harmful to everyone”
            Your words.
            “Has a pregnancy ever occurred in a rectum – especially a male rectum?”
            Your words.
            “Homo’s gladly suffer from exponentially higher shares of all sexually
            transmitted diseases far in excess of their puny shares of the general
            population.”
            Your words.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            SUBSEQUENT to the lie stated by you : “COMPLETELY unlike a same-sex adult consensual relationship that hurts no one” the words you cite were said in order to help pulverize your lie.

          • Garbage Adams

            You pulverized nothing, you only posted a load of hate. Same-sex relationships don’t end prematurely because of anything unhealthy. That’s a lie; you are lying; you are a liar.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Please be careful. You insolence and obstinate hysteria could cause you to blow a “butt plug”!

          • Garbage Adams

            I haven’t had the pleasure, but I will assume you speak from experience.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            I speak from the actual experience of those whose sphincter muscles are so stretched from jamming foreign objects into their rectums that they seek butt plugs some with vibrators [don’t lets a good ruptured sphincter go to waste] to keep the rectal ooze from damaging their clothes and from the stench that they would otherwise bring to being near normal people… a stench that those who support them wouldn’t recognize because they wallow in it.

          • Garbage Adams

            You are a veritable expert on a wide variety of sexual perversions. Congratulations, but I don’t think you’ll win Christian of the Year for it. How odd women are magically spared this condition you speak of, huh?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Come again? If you only had brain to discern. But that is impossible when you can’t read or remember what was said or written. Instead, you and your fire; ready; aim and grimy ilk not only misstate what wasn’t said you also misstate what wasn’t said to blur and confuse. That’s all you have. And with a dumbed down population given to superficial thinking and historic deprivation, ugliness and evil can be seen as something pretty and wholesome. Mix that with cowardice and convolution you end up with chaos. Nevertheless, the outcome is always the same.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Because it’s a red herring. He can’t argue the facts so he’s trying to distract you.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            I realize that. I respond because: failure to respond is what gave them the ungodly advantage knowing the evil aggressors have always thrived on appeasement; whenever they open their mouths they incriminate themselves even further; I love seeing them squirm; when they squirm they arm the normal with lots of proof.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You are lost in lies. All you are is a fact-free feeeeeeeeeeling full perv. Go to the CDC website as just one of many sources that show the EXPONENTIALLY higher shares of deadly “opportunistic diseases” that come from homosexuals as opposed to normal people.

          • Garbage Adams

            All you have is juvenile name calling (against the rules on this site by the way, tone it down if you don’t want to see yourself banned).

            What makes me a “perv” about the simple fact that I’m not going to lay down a blanket condemnation of millions of people I don’t know and haven’t met based on what they might or might not be doing in their bedrooms? Because that’s what YOU are doing.

            Disease doesn’t discriminate, by the way, it doesn’t care if you’re gay or straight.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Sexually transmitted diseases do discriminate and they should because actions will always have consequences. A monogamous man naturally paired with a monogamous women will never be subjected to sexually transmitted diseases because sexually transmitted diseases are part and parcel of sexual promiscuity and perversion. Homo men have been known to have up to 1,000 perverted partners in their severely truncated life spans. These are called “one minute stands”. Disgraced former New Jersey Governor, Jim McGreevy used the New Jersey State police to trolley him up and down the New Jersey Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway where he would have indiscriminate sodomy with strangers in rest rooms. Homo women have been known to have up to 500 perverted partners. Why do you hate these people by making the grave harm they cause themselves and others easy? In other words why do you hate them and those they contaminate?

          • Garbage Adams

            Monogamous couples will always be free of sexually transmitted diseases. It doesn’t matter if they’re homosexual or heterosexual. The moral of the story to both gay and straight people is, stick with a single person. Your stats about the number of sexual partners is baloney.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Homosexual monogamy is Sodomy…any time; any place and with anyone.
            Homos’s are to monogamy what anorexia is to dieting. Why did you not comment on Jim McGreevy?

          • Garbage Adams

            LOL. So you have a hate word for people living in commitment to one another, what a surprise. You are a hypocritical Christian…a hypochristian.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Stop taking LSD and your other pharmacy filed with hallucinogenics. Also, please have the common courtesy to close your legs because your breath stinks.

          • Garbage Adams

            I don’t take drugs. I just don’t hate people for things they have no control over either. You know, as JWD.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You need to be sent away. So no one is responsible for their behaviors! When the “I have no control over my behaviors” plays out, people who have erroneously hid behind it will regret it because then everyone will claim that excuse and then the havoc and horror will commence. You are one dumb cluck. If some can claim lack of self control, then all can claim it. Otherwise, don’t we have DISCRIMINATION? Why just some and not all?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You are one stupid cluck. The point is that sodomy your obvious love thing can’t ever produce life which make it ALWAYS fruitless and lifeless. The goal of anal sex you dimwit is to make pregnancy impossible because pregnancy can’t ever happen inside an EXIT ONLY non-sexual body part.

          • Lucas Cranach

            Yeah because body parts are only made for one thing. The penis for example is only made for peeing.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            No it is also made for vaginas. Otherwise, humanity would cease to exist. Penises were never designed for rectums because rectums are not reproductive organs.

          • Lucas Cranach

            Right, because people only have sex in order to reproduce. You’re getting your butt handed to you. Give up.

          • winnifer

            Oh I see, this is my FAVORITE game where we take a big list of disgusting sexual practices and try to make it sound like only gay people do them! Yeah, “fecal evilness” – tell me, do you ever have your wife stick a finger (or hand) up your disgusting, smelly asshole? Lots of fine Christian couples do that, your good selves included I’m sure, and “felching” of course, as you mentioned, bet you’ve fired a couple good hard loads in your wife’s arse and then chowed down, haven’t you? “Golden showers”, another one you really love, right? Does the wife pee on you, or you on her? Doesn’t really matter, does it? I’ve made my point.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Ah! Now aren’t you sweet. Where did you steal your degrees in Blame Shifting; Finger Pointing and Scapegoat Making from the Universities of Moronic; Malevolent; Marxist: Inversion; Perversion? Hallucinogenic? etc.
            Also, you really shouldn’t get yourself all lathered when you rant while staring into you murky mirror. Now go back and play in you unflushed toilet like a good malicious myrmidon.

          • winnifer

            A masterful dodge, beautifully executed, unfortunately your inability to see your own hypocrisy now has flaring red exclamation marks around it. Just keep your Christian piety intact next time you eat your wife’s ass or bring your friends over for a round of corn on the cob with her.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Do you take your fecal feeling with or without peanuts? Also, kindly put the bag for you head on when in public. You are causing panic and pandemonium even chasing staring dogs out of meat trucks when you peek into the meat trucks. And then there is the stench! Wow! Go Sandra Fluke yourself. Strong letter to follow.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            TOS Violation for language ……….

          • Garbage Adams

            But you overlook Knowledge Transfer talking about felching and so on. Nice.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you can report him for that ……….. and i do not understand why you have not ….. but that is not as egregious as the other comments being made …….. and you are a participant …..

          • Garbage Adams

            Oh am I.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah … it is your own smell ………

          • Knowledge Transfer

            The only point you have is the point on the top of your empty head.
            Stop the blame shifting; finger pointing; and scapegoat making. You are to credibility and facts what anorexia is to dieting.

          • winnifer

            You have been exposed as a hypocritical bullshitter second to none. How funny you are able to rattle off a list of sexual practices longer than the menu at the Cheesecake Cafe and try to pass off with a straight face that they are all gay-only. How convenient, leaves you free to abuse your wife’s orifices in any way you like because you have Christian privilege. You make me sick. Fuck off.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            All you are is a inverted and perverted anti-sexual degenerate imp who when sprinkled with the sanctifying truth [holy water] runs out into the light of day for further scalding. What you know about the demographics of perversion and their roots could fit into the head of a pin with enough room left over for each of the 7 billion + world wide inhabitants to own and occupy 100 centillion square mile farms. When the clean up comes we will know where to go to make the clean up happen. Thanks for “coming out”.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            TOS Violation for language ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            TOS violation ………..

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You should look up the definition for the word Convolution and then stare in a mirror to see a self-contradictory Convolutionalist looks like.

          • Garbage Adams

            Go look up the word “troll” and then stare in a mirror to see what a troll looks like.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            I did and it has a picture of one man humping another man with a big X over the picture.

          • Garbage Adams

            Gave you a little thrill, didn’t it?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Anything that eliminates perversion is thrilling if one is normal.

          • Garbage Adams

            Perversion, as long as it’s the right shade, right?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Perversions are color blind.

          • Garbage Adams

            No, you just recognize the ones you hate.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You opened up the convoluted diversion when you [not me[ said: “COMPLETELY unlike a same-sex adult consensual relationship which harms no one”!

            My responses were then employed to pulverize that lie because same sex consensual relationships harm everyone especially when others are forced to accept the normalcy of such abnormal, unnatural and unhealthy relationships.

            As an example, here is just one of the malevolent goals: “Present homosexuality, promiscuity and degeneracy as normal, natural and healthy.” Homosexuality automatically includes promiscuity and degeneracy in one stench ridden package like a 3 point play in basketball…one shot three points.

            Just a few questions: 1) if homosexuality was normal; natural; and healthy, why pray tell would it ever need to be presented as if it were normal, natural and healthy; wouldn’t such presentations be superfluous? 2) if homosexuality was normal, natural and healthy, why pray tell is the cited goal above one of the 45 goals within the Communist Takeover of America given that Communism seeks to destroy America from within on its way to one world Godless; soulless; family destroying; life hating; sodomy saluting; wealth redistributing world rule?

          • Garbage Adams

            “Same sex consensual relationships harm everyone especially when others
            are forced to accept the normalcy of such abnormal, unnatural and
            unhealthy relationships.”

            And who taught you that? I don’t like a lot of things that bigots do but there’s not much I can do about what they do in their private lives. Take a cue from that. You hate homosexuals, but there’s not a lot you can do about them. Sorry. Sucks to be you.

            “Here is just one of the malevolent goals: “Present homosexuality, promiscuity and degeneracy as normal, natural and healthy.”

            Did you write that yourself? Promiscuity is indeed a bad plan, but since when is it something done only by homosexuals ( and NON-CHRISTIANS)? I can tell this is a load of fertilizer because of your inclusion of the word “degeneracy” which is solely a matter of your opinion. How hilarious is it that you’re trying to pass off “degeneracy” and “promiscuity” as GOALS of some agenda! As if there IS an agenda. If there was, who would deliberately include things that insulting?

            “1) if homosexuality was normal; natural; and healthy, why pray tell would it ever need to be presented as if it were normal, natural and healthy; wouldn’t such presentations be superfluous?”

            Because people like you teach your children that it’s something you need to beat out of homosexuals with violent means, and with fraudulent things like “ex-gay” therapy.

            “2) if homosexuality was normal, natural and healthy, why pray tell is the cited goal above one of the 45 goals within the Communist Takeover of America” (stuff deleted)

            It isn’t. You made that up. If a person is homosexual all it means is that their poles of attraction are reversed. It isn’t a political goal at all.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You are the deceiver who makes up non existent facts or tries to smear those who have them. You are so incredible in you lies or your indulgent refusal to accept historical facts. Go buy a copy of the NAKED COMMUNIST and go to pages 246-249 in its 377 pages, Then go to the Congressional Record of January 10, 1963 smart ass where all 45 goals were read into the Congressional Record after all 45 goals were presented to the US House of Representatives.

            You destroy not only your non-existent personal credibility but the lie drenched credibility of the ugliness and evil you and your dragoon-like myrmidons have tried to hide given that the purpose of all lies is to hide the truth.

          • Garbage Adams

            Why don’t you present them here yourself? Burden of proof and all that. We’ll see who’s talking out their wazoo.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You already admitted that a pregnancy could never happen inside a rectum especially a male rectum. And even 6th grade biology shows that all women always have only X X chromosomes and that males who always have X Y chromosomes determine the sex of all offspring. Who discovered XCRTYOPMNUQY or the TSQMKIOPPLEKIX chromosomes or the chromosomes for 71 imbecilic and non-existent nomenclatures adopted from the so called transsexuals etc. who represent only 0.5% of the general population

          • Garbage Adams

            So what if a pregnancy can’t occur? That is not the only reason people engage in sexual intercourse. They also do it for pleasure. You haven’t yet presented a single analogy that makes a bit of sense.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” Judgment belongs to the Lord.”

            Nope …. Wrong … ERROR …. ERROR …… and no SCRIPTURE for that ……… ERROR ……….

            Matthew 7 Read the WHOLE chapter

            Matthew 18:15

            John 7:24

            2 Timothy 3:16

            1 Corinthians 5 & 6

            1 Corinthians 2:15

            Proverbs 27:5, Proverbs 31:9

          • RWH

            All this proves is that you can cherry-pick verses out of their context. Did you actually read the chapters when you picked all of these verses out of a concordance?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … i have read every one of them thoroughly …….. one of them is two full chapters- 1 Corinthians 5 AND 6 ……. and the full chapter of Matthew 7 …… which is a detailed lesson on HOW TO JUDGE …….. and you have no leg to stand on ……….

          • RWH

            You may have read the chapters, but as with much of whatever else you say, I don’t think that you understood what you read. You just appropriate what looks good to you and discard the rest. It’s called selective reading. You have done much the same with everything else you have written here.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. and what scripture do you have …. right …. ZERO ………..

          • RWH

            I don’t need Scripture because I’m not interested in harming other people. I’m here to stop people like you from tearing others down. People like you like to misuse and misapply Scripture in order to destroy others. I’m not interested in your idiosyncratic misapplications of Scripture except that I’m here to protect the weak against bullies like you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … you are here because you are in rebellion to God ….. you have no authority to stop anything … and words do not hurt people …… and you are the one hurting them by defending the indefensible ……… you are a quack liberal with no notion of what you are talking about ………….

          • RWH

            Only a fool would pontificate about the spiritual condition of someone he doesn’t know. Your gun is shooting blanks. In fact, you couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn. Keep on grasping for straws, Amos. Maybe someday you will say something that has an ounce of truth to it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are BORING me ……….. yawn ………

          • RWH

            Typical defense mechanism when an individual can’t comprehend reality.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            if you ever find any reality …. bottle it … its the only way you will ever hold on to it …..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            dont you have a bunch of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episodes to binge watch ……….

          • MamaBearly

            Hi RWH! I believe that Jesus took away the punishments by people on earth, by his crucifixion. Jesus would never ever agree with a lot of behaviour shown by Christians today. He told us to love each not harm other people. Jesus wants us to love so we will not sin against each other. The way these posters are acting are contrary to Jesus’ Word by expressing themselves the way they are. Christians should not act superior to another person, but be humble to everyone. It was shown when Jesus washed the Apostles feet. He stated there that everyone was equal and should not treat others – other than as a leader – as less than they are.
            Personally, I feel that if they think they are so superior with their knowledge of what God wants and what He doesn’t that I let them find the scriptures to prove me wrong about anything I say, because I can produce the scriptures that prove me right.
            I don’t get many answers when I ask for that..
            I am trying to use my replies to them to teach others the truth by pointing out more than scriptures, and telling them to look for the scriptures that are discussed because we were told to always search the scriptures no matter who has taught us of them. It actually helps to know that they don’t have patience enough to read a whole post too. Besides they don’t really know the Gospel from the way they behave, so they shouldn’t be bothered by me speaking of the gospel.
            Blessings!

        • MamaBearly

          Amos!! I can’t believe you said that. You called me all sorts of nasty names because you judged me, and you have the NERVE to say he was judging?
          I’ve had to come to the conclusion that you are not really a Christian.
          You do not behave as a Christian should at all. Agreeing with God’s Word does not a Christian make.
          You have NEVER shown the love that Jesus commanded us to have FOR EVERYONE.

          Since it is just scripture at the bottom of this, I expect you to want to read the Word of God, and learn His Words as that is what His word tells us to do. To behave properly. It’s in the scriptures.
          You go directly against the Word of God so often Amos, you can’t be a true Christian without the knowledge of how Jesus wanted us to behave like. Don’t believe me, read the Gospel. It is in that it is talking about the light we are to shine. I’ve told you many times that you need to reread the gospel and ask God to open your eyes to what I have said, because you need to see it and be humbled. Pray for wisdom and knowledge to understanding these scriptures Amos, and he will give it to you. That’s in the scriptures too.

          Read the scriptures below. They are only scriptures.

          John 13:34
          A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.

          John 15:12
          This is my commandment, That ye LOVE one another, as I have LOVED you.

          John 15:17
          These things I command you, that ye LOVE one another.

          Romans 13:8
          Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE one another: for he that LOVETH another hath fulfilled the law.

          1 Thessalonians 4:9
          But as touching brotherly LOVE ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to LOVE one another.

          1 Peter 1:22
          Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned LOVE of the brethren, see that ye LOVE one another with a pure heart fervently:

          1 John 3:11
          For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should LOVE one another.

          1 John 3:23
          And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, as he gave us commandment.

          1 John 4:7
          Beloved, let us LOVE one another: for LOVE is of God; and every one that LOVETH is born of God, and knoweth God.

          1 John 4:11
          Beloved, if God so LOVED us, we ought also to LOVE one another.

          1 John 4:12
          No man hath seen God at any time. If we LOVE one another, God dwelleth in us, and his LOVE is perfected in us.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            he had the nerve to say he was not … when he was ……..

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        Matthew 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
        5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
        6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
        7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

        Mark 9:42 King James Version (KJV)
        42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

        …………….SMH …………..

    • RWH

      So, in other words, parents should not be concerned about their child’s happiness? You don’t know these people, and you certainly don’t know the circumstances. Can’t you do anything more introspective other than cherry-pick verses and apply them to situations you know nothing about except the most minimal of circumstances such as the ones in this article?

      • Oboehner

        They obviously don’t care about their child’s mental health.

        • RWH

          And other than your personal uninformed opinion, what concrete evidence do you have? What doctor’s reports have you consulted? Have you talked with the parents? What scholarly research have you done?

          • Oboehner

            And other than your personal uninformed opinion, what concrete evidence do you have? Some agenda-pushing charlatan? Parents that withhold help from their child because it’s trendy? What scholarly research have you done?

          • RWH

            The ball is in your court. What evidence do you have other than your personal opinion? You’re the one making the bold pronouncements. I’m just asking you to put your money where your mouth is since you apparently think that you’re the authority on this one. You want to denigrate the parents and the child? You show proof that you know what you’re talking about. Otherwise, we’ll just consider you a lot of hot air with no substance.

          • Oboehner

            I’m not the one claiming normality in this ridiculous farce.

          • RWH

            In other words, you’re just making stuff up without checking things out. Rather that do the hard work, you’re going to take the lazy way out by trying to project. It doesn’t work. We want proof. Otherwise, we’ll assume that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • Oboehner

            “So, in other words, parents should not be concerned about their child’s happiness?”

            In other words, you’re just making stuff up without checking things out. Rather that do the hard work, you’re going to take the lazy way out by trying to project. It doesn’t work. We want proof. Otherwise, we’ll assume that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • RWH

            This isn’t an answer to my question. Rather, it is a bunch of babble in the hope that it will save you face when you have been cornered. The ball is still in your court. Either answer with some concrete data, or just admit that you are making a very subjective opinion.

          • Oboehner

            It was YOUR bunch of babble which followed your original assertion, which apparently YOU are trying to “save you face when you have been cornered”. The ball is still in your court. Either answer with some concrete data, or just admit that you just spouted this very subjective opinion: “So, in other words, parents should not be concerned about their child’s happiness?”

          • Garbage Adams

            No, he’s right. Turning someone’s exact words around is straight out of third grade.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            if the shoe fits ……. then you both should put it on ………. whats good for the goose is good for the gander ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            gee …. ALL YOU HAVE is YOUR personal uninformed OPINION ………..

          • Nadine Faber

            There are many National Counseling Organizations that say this is CHILD ABUSE, unhealthy and harmful to children. The rate of suicide are really high for this group, transgenders…It is cruel, heartless to make a child into one that neither gender wants them around. Shooting up children with hormones and surgeries, stealing their childhood and an environment of frustration and deep emotional, mental health issues is not healthy or helpful to any child, young person. This is really about the parents, not the child. Did you know that ALL CHILDREN go through a phase of “questioning gender ID and self ID” and 99 percent never become transgenders, LGBT… You need to read the stories, work with children who feel they don’t belong…this is a cry that seems to be unheard by parents, groups that endorse this kind of life and society or uninformed people. It feels like a “social trend” and not one of reality…common sense…Children say a lot of things, but when it comes to sexuality, sexual behaviors…they are not capable of making these kinds of decisions … they have no understanding of these issues…they are CHILDREN.

          • RWH

            Do you really feel that the parents took this lightly? That they didn’t check things out? That they didn’t visit with professionals? This article says nothing about the child going through any type of surgery. I would like to believe that good parents know what is best for their children. Furthermore, I believe that people should mind their own business and not interfere with agonizing heart-wrenching decisions that parents need to make unless they ask for their opinions. Moreover, I’m not sure what national counseling organizations you are talking about. The American Academy is the recognized professional organization. The American College is a fundamentalist split-off that is known for their anti-gay/transgender stances. If you know of such organizations that proclaim that this is child abuse other than the American College, I would be interested in knowing what they are so that I can look up their credentials. There are many who claim to be specialists, but when one looks up their degrees and records, we find out that they are not.

        • MamaBearly

          Actually, it appears they did care about their child’s mental health. This was shown by the way they talked about the trauma their child was experiencing by being forced to be someone the child did not want to be, and when it came to self hate and cutting themselves, it was better to do what they were doing for that child that ignoring it and ending up with an 8 year old suicide.
          Treatment whether for or against the way you look at yourself, takes time, sometimes years of therapy, so it isn’t something you can just force on a child in this case. Threat of suicide is not something that Parents should overlook, when said in seriousness.
          What the parents did not allow for is the other children – a whole school – that needed to be taught about it so they would not treat the child Badly.
          Helping people to understand the concept, so they can accept the child and not do more mental damage, is a smart and reasonable reason for going the way they did. If they had even waited for a new year to begin, it would not have been as big a deal if it was dealt with before it began.
          A child’s mental health is not something to trifle with because of a prejudice. Sometimes it is better to leave it to therapy regardless of how you yourself feel. Parenting isn’t always easy choices.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so perhaps you can show us all the passage in scripture where it says “then God created the transexual, and it was good” ………….

          • MamaBearly

            God created every living thing, Amos, so he did create them, although I also believe that he allowed them to be the people they are for a purpose. God does not allow anything to happen without his approval, even for the Devil, He’s boss. So if he is allowing this to happen, what possible reason could it be for?
            Can’t argue with that unless you insult God’s creation, regardless of it’s sin.
            Do your duty to God and leave him to the things that YOU cannot make a difference about, because complaining is not helping and it is a sin, besides.
            I think it’s a test to show the Christians who love as we were all commanded. Without love, I doubt that anyone can get in to heaven. This will show who is closer to being the “Elect”. Sitting in a church or reading the bible is not enough. The Good Works that Jesus wants us to do are chosen by free will to do for Good, as they are the people who want to keep Jesus’ reputation as a light to the Truth.
            If you are not a nice person you are not following Jesus who would never approve of a person who is not loving towards everyone else. Think about that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God created every living thing, Amos, so he did create them, although I also believe that he allowed them to be the people they are for a purpose.”

            YUP …. and He also made them responsible for the SINS they CHOOSE …. and their PARENTS are responsible for the raising of their child as an IMAGO DEI …. an IMAGE BEARER of God …….. and the PARENTS are in charge …. NOT THE CHILD ………

          • MamaBearly

            God made them responsible and you have no control at all, and that just frustrates you so you take it out on everyone and complain and Jesus is listening and writing all these things in your life book.
            Look, this change in society is done. it is no longer a question about the people being “allowed” to live their lives as they want to. Just like we can too!
            There is NOTHING you can do about it. Everything was tried before the law made them equal.
            As with all things, God will take care of us, we need to Trust Him, and we are not to worry.

            Tell me Amos, do you have a child that you could try to force into not wanting to be a transsexual? Have you ever had that child refuse to do something and not allow themselves to be forced?
            If you have no child, you are the one with no authority. You have NO concept of what it takes to be a parent at all. Scriptures do not give you the authority to claim to be an expert about things you cannot possibly know.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God made them responsible and you have no control at all, ……… and that just frustrates you so you take it out on everyone and complain ……. and Jesus is listening and writing all these things in your life book. ”

            WRONG ….. and WRONG …… and yes HE IS ….. and YOURS ALSO ……….. so you had better reconsider what you are writing ……… as a SUPPOSED christian …………

          • MamaBearly

            What CAN you do about this particular child Amos? I’d love to know if there is a reality to your posts.
            I never said ignore what God said in his Word, not one time.
            But it is a fact that there have been times when Christians did not like what was occurring in the world, but could do nothing to stop it.
            Amos, you can’t teach a child proper behaviour from Jail. The people that will have the child when it is removed from your care and people those people will allow the child to do what he wants too.
            We have to realize that somethings are in God’s control, not ours. and we have to trust Him and not have a doubt about what you believe he is doing and if you try to do something about something in God’s hands, it is doubting God can actually do it himself.
            I am a Christian with a very strong faith in Jesus. You appear to question Jesus’ powers and put limits on Jesus’ ability to deal with things like this, and feel that you have to step in for some reason and try to deal with it yourself, when there is no possibility of you changing it by yourself.
            I’d go on about my being a Christian but YOU WON’T READ THIS FAR

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “What CAN you do about this particular child Amos? I’d love to know if there is a reality to your posts. ”

            hmmmm …. what can YOU do ….. where is yours ……….. your reality …..

            “I never said ignore what God said in his Word, not one time. ”

            and yet you do … continually …………. ignore it ………..

          • MamaBearly

            You did not read my post obviously. When the child is taken away Amos,
            they are allowed to go through the transgender changes; It takes away
            any influence that the parents might have, by putting them in jail. That is not what will HELP the child.
            I have not gone contrary to God’s Word Amos.
            My reality is to trust God and believe that HE will take care of us. We do not take care of everything ourselves, God does that. We as humans cannot do what HE can do, and when it is out of our hands – as it is now – I trust God. I don’t complain. I don’t treat others badly. I trust GOD.. You, on the other hand, do NOT trust God, and think you can do things better than our God. and you complain consistently when God told us not to.
            If you trusted God you would not be so upset about the world. He told us he was going to take care of us. TRUST HIM.
            What the parents have done is not INTENTIONAL harm. And correcting children can now be ILLEGAL. As a Parent, they HAVE to take that into consideration so we can be good parents. We have to find a way to teach our children without having them taken away.
            Stop being so ignorant about parenting and stop commenting on something you have no possibility of understanding. You are taking God’s Word and twisting it to fit into a place it has no connection to. This is NOT about the parents abusing the child. It is about how the world is today.
            GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF US.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “When the child is taken away Amos, they are allowed to go through the transgender changes; It takes away any influence that the parents might have, by putting them in jail. That is not what will HELP the child.”

            yeah ….. and you advocate allowing it to happen any way ……… carnal christianity ………
            and the parents are allowing it to happen any way ….. so what is the difference …….. and BTW …. if you want to NOT advocate for this child … and speak out …. as Christ did ….. then that is your business ……….

          • MamaBearly

            I make the posts long to tell you things, not to bore you. I also do it so others can read it all. You really should read what I put, Amos, all of it.
            You are not listening again Amos. I never said I advocated for the child to be transgender, and I have never supported your belief that we don’t have to follow the laws of man that are against our belief in God.
            God knows everything and if he looked at my heart he’d see that I am following what God wants and that is to protect the children from harm, which is what he was talking about. I do not advocate hurting children in any way. Especially not mental abuse.
            I also would appreciate it if you treated me with the respect I treat you. I do not say you are wrong, I say what I believe and that you should read the gospels. Please stop implying that I am not just as much of a Christian as you are, because that is a lie, and in our church we often say “The devil is a liar”. Lies are a sin. You know better about me being a Christian and stating it like you “know” me and that I am not a Christian would be considered a lie.
            The way we look at these things that are happening in the world needs to be done with today in mind. The bible is a guide to our lives as Christians throughout the generations. Peace and Joy are ours when we rest in the Lord’s promises.
            It is only when you get involved with going against God’s Word, like being the person who marries two people of the same sex. That is aiding and abetting their sin. Being people who read about these situations should be PRAYING for them instead of stamping feet and complaining that this is not what our God wanted.
            God knows these parents and whether this goes against their morals too, but he also knows about the struggles they have to go through because of the world’s view, and he won’t judge Christian parents as “harming” a child when he knows the whole circumstances. Don’t worry about the non-believers in this case and recognize that it would do more harm to go through all the changes in their lives and the fact that they are pulled out of their parents arms kind of makes it harder for them, but it doesn’t mean the people who end up raising him will even consider whether or not this is a true need for the child, but will encourage them to be who they are accepting that it won’t change. These things must be a part of decision making about this kind of circumstance. Especially if it is a Christian who IS the responsible Parent. They have to consult God and work out all the ‘nitty gritty’ before they can allow (hopefully) this into the pubic eye. You can’t expect to be able to take care of a child from Jail. It is the parents place to be a good influence to show the way of the Lord. It means that we need to be available to them to do that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i cant look at your heart …. all i have to go by is what you say and does it mesh with scripture ….. and it does not ….. and it comes across as carnal christianity …. and you seem to be arguing that the ONLY thing we can do is pray … and there are times when that is true ….. on a person to person basis ….. but we also are to speak the truth nt just to the people in this particular situation …. but ALL who find themselves in this or other situations …. so i fail to understand your stance ……..

          • MamaBearly

            Another reply that you should read to the end to see what I am saying to you.
            Every single thing I tell you is from the scriptures. You just have the wrong understanding of God’s Love
            What do you seriously think we can do about working outside of the law to raise a child in the Christian way? Especially since it is someone you do not know.
            Please, tell me what you will be doing to make sure the world will turn away from their sin, and change the laws back to punishment for sinners. I honestly cannot imagine what you or I can do in this situation.How do you think we can speak the truth to all in this situation?
            Amos, praying tells us what God wants us to do, of course we are to pray for wisdom in how to deal with this situation. We don’t have the authority to do more than talk to them about the Gospel.

            Amos, I used to post the scriptures that I talked about to get you to recognize that God wants us to love everyone. Then you admitted that you were not reading “past the first mistake” and I am longsuffering that, but Amos, I have told you scriptures time after time to show God’s Word, I have told you time after time that know my bible.
            If you choose not to find the scriptures or read the gospel, it is you who are going against the Lord’s Word.

            You know what? Go ahead and do whatever you want Amos. The scriptures told us to leave the people to their non-belief and go onward to teach others about the Gospel and that is what I’m going to do. It also tells us not to complain about anything, because God give us what we need, so we should give him the Glory and Trust Him to do something he will do it, if you believe.
            I will not let you disrespect me Amos, I deserve the respect as a Sister who follows Jesus. And you know darn well that I am a sister.
            Amos, one last time, please go and re-read the Gospel. See what Jesus says about love after he spoke about the sins. See that telling the truth needs to be done so they listen and want to know more, it is not making a person feel bad, because that is not love, no matter what love you want to use. Normal people do not need to be shamed for their sins. You only feel this way because you are able to know some people’s sin.
            If you want to be one of the Christians that are giving Jesus a bad reputation unnecessarily because of the lack of love you show. You do not show your light to sinners, you show the darkness of hate.

            I feel bad that you won’t listen and heed my word to look for yourself and understand more than you do now. I know it can mean your salvation or not; Jesus will not be accepting anyone, Elect or not, who is not able to show the love for everyone. If you want to take the chance that you are right and not look into all those scriptures I have given you, that is up to you. Just as Jesus told us to make sure the gospel is told so people can use their free will to choose life, or death.
            and if they choose not to believe let them wait for their punishment.

            Wiping my hands of your dirt is not my choice. It’s yours for not checking out what I have said. You are choosing to go against God and not searching the scriptures, when someone has told you that there is something there that you needed more understanding about. He told us to never take anything for granted in our lessons, but instead to search the scriptures to find the scriptures and confirm they are either right or wrong. So choose for yourself Amos. I’m not going to keep trying as I’ve tried to help you see the light for too long, much longer than I would normally devote to one person TBH.
            Not that you can post anything that is not true about God’s Word and what we are to do, because I will reply in those circumstances. I won’t let you lead the other poster down the wide and crooked road if I see you are.
            So behave as a Good Christian so people will see a Jesus that is not filled with hate. He’s not a God of Hate and Darkness, He is a God of Love and Light. Stop giving Jesus a bad reputation and shine your light for him.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Yours is the error in scripture ….. Not mine ….. You need a different teacher …..

          • MamaBearly

            Actually, my teacher is God. I don’t know who your teacher is, but if there is hate being taught, it is surely not God.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah … no he is not …………..

          • MamaBearly

            Excuse me? You are saying that God is not my teacher when I am continually referring to scriptures and speaking the Word of God every time we discussed.
            I bet your “teacher” hasn’t literally led you through things either, while My God has for me.
            I was thinking Amos? Can you tell me the honest difference between the way you believe, and how the Islamic religion does?
            You seem to believe that the punishments for sin that were allowed to mete out to sinners in the O.T. should still be in effect so you could stone homosexuals to death. Like the Islamics are, as you pointed out, pushing them off roof tops.
            So really, by seeing and telling other people that God is a hateful God, you are making him seem more like Allah, than our Loving God is. Amos, Jesus removed all hate from what he taught us. He wanted us to hate the sin so we ourselves would not sin, that is the Love that he wants us to show to others, by explaining why we don’t want to sin. He wanted us to talk to people about their sin. By doing in any other way than talking, you cannot get the message of Salvation through to someone who has believed that God is a hateful God. And that is what the world thinks he is like now because of believers like you. God is not a hateful God and as far as I am concerned you are committing Blasphemy by even likening God to anything hateful.
            You also ignore what we were told in the Gospel about needing not just the Spirit of repentance, but the Holy Spirit of Fire and Wind. It never said it would stop being given in in two baptisms ever. It was always maintained in the scriptures that everyone needed the 2 baptisms to have the Holy Spirit within you. Scriptures Amos, Scriptures!! Is what I am saying actually in the scriptures? Shouldn’t you know if this IS in the scriptures and Shouldn’t you make sure I am wrong, before you dismiss it? Isn’t that what Jesus was talking about in the scripture about why we need to always confirm everything anyone speaks about what is in the Bible to make sure we truly understand everything in the bible the correct way.
            You also do not show any kind of love to posters – because if you did, you would not speak so derisively to anyone at all. You do not seem to be aware of what things are sins, either, or do you think you are allowed to sin because of you being an ‘Elect’ and have a guaranteed salvation? No Amos, sins still have to be repented for whether you are an Elect or not.

          • DrewTwoFish

            Amos doesn’t worship a God. He worships a creed.

          • MamaBearly

            Hi DrewTwoFish! Nice to see you post again!
            Actually, I have started to think maybe Amos does worship a God: himself. He makes so many posts without knowing the whole of the gospel. It’s like he’s put himself into the authority of who gets to choose who and how to punish sinners!
            Not only that but he seems to think that he is not considered a sinner by our God, and still will receive salvation “as an Elect” for being a hater instead of a person who shows Love. So I’m guessing that means he puts himself on par with the Lord. I don’t personally see the difference when he spouts words of hate like it means a strong emotional hate, rather than a hate that motivates us to stop sinning ourselves. God IS love so he would not agree to a strong emotional hatred of anyone or even a sin. He wants us to love him enough to desire not to sin. Repentance is to remind us of our sins, and repetition is good for a reminder to not do those sins. He doesn’t tell us to hate ourselves because of our sin, but to hate and feel personal shame about letting God down by sinning. If you love someone you will want to make them happy, not upset, and you would not sin against someone you love.
            That’s what Jesus describes many times in the scriptures. I think he scans the bible but does not read it quickly enough while he does it. Perhaps he should read it slowly and his understanding of it may change.
            Either way I pray God will bless you “Drew”. Have a great (Dark) day LOL!!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Excuse me? You are saying that God is not my teacher when I am continually referring to scriptures and speaking the Word of God every time we discussed.”

            your words do not comport to Gods truth … so ABSOLUTELY NOT ………. scriptures are Gods word …. your USE of them IS NOT …………..

          • MamaBearly

            Yes every single word does because it is directly from the scriptures and there is no need for context because it was very plainly said by Jesus, over and over. 10 times in fact as the scripture would have shown you if you had had the politeness to read them.

            You do not show anything to support that opinion Amos. I showed you direct scriptures proving my belief that GOD LOVES US ALL.
            You really should READ the scriptures I post and refer to. If you had you would know that I speak only the Word of God and only.

            I USE The scriptures to TEACH you that you belief is wrong. I never stray from God’s Word in any way. not like you like to twist the scriptures to show a Hateful God.
            I don’t care if you believe that you are so HOLY just be being a Saint in any church you are not going to be given salvation with the way you behave.

            Do you think Jesus just wanted to hear his own voice when he taught us how to be good people? When he told us to behave well to reflect HIM, and SHINE our lights so more will be brought to salvation and bring GLORY TO GOD.
            If you are not aware of this and realize that it is what he wants us to do, as Christians, not because he commanded it, but because we love him and want to do good things.

            How do you believe that we are supposed to shine our light – a direct quote from scriptures – to give Glory to God. Showing even the hate of sin will not be shining a light. So how do we do that?

            How do we show hate for the sin by going to an event about Gays and their acceptance in Society? How do you tell them that God is going to send them to Hell if they don’t repent from their sins. Oh and by the way, God loves you.

            What words do you use when you protest something about Gays. Surely you aren’t just spouting your hate only here and not to living breathing sinners.

            We may not have to do anything to receive his grace, except to repent. No repentance. NO grace.

            How do you think he means that, if there is nothing we are supposed to do to receive his grace?
            You won’t answer because you can’t.

            You go ahead and put yourself as high as God because He loves only you – oh and me because I’m of the Elect too! – and you go ahead and believe that you do not need to do works, or behave properly in all circumstance. You do all the evil things you want and expect God’s Grace to forgive you because you are an ELECT.

            I’m going to behave in a Christian-like manner and do good works, I will show the fruits of the spirits every day. Do you even know the fruits of the spirit (That’s in Gal. 5 in case you haven’t read about it.)

            Good luck with that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you should stop all your gong-good’-zoing …………

          • MamaBearly

            Then stop telling people that our God is a Hateful God and I’ll stop telling you about how much God wants us to all love each other. Simple as that!
            So when are you going to discuss those 10 scriptures about Jesus’ Love and second commandment?
            If you don’t say something about them soon, I’ll be positive that you have never read the Gospel for yourself.
            Can you honestly say that you do not believe in Jesus’ second commandment?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Not what is said ….. i said God hates …. because SCRIPTURE says God hates …. and if you have a problem with what SCRIPTURE says ….. then you need to take it up with GOD …….

          • MamaBearly

            I have no problem with scriptures. I can read them fluently and have a good understanding of what the words mean as well as all the subtle things that are there for followers of the Truth.
            I don’t have a problem because I only use scriptures as they are meant to be used. God likes that. Heck, he points me to the ones I can’t remember when I am posting to you.
            What you have is a problem understanding they mean because all you do is believe what others tell you and you don’t read it to make your own mind up. You have to depend on someone else’s interpretation, instead of reading it yourself to understand.
            God smiles at me every day. I have no issue with him about anything. Can
            you find any blessings you are given by God each and every day of your
            life? I can and I do and there are so many, I can’t help but love him
            more because of the love He shows to me. I’m sorry if he doesn’t bless you as often as he does me. He decides who to bless and who not to for reasons only known by Him.
            Unless you start answering my questions I will just have to repeat them, because you expect me to answer you, by putting misinformation up, and at this point Amos, you can’t even address my statements without posing your own and IGNORING mine. So you really have to learn about Discussion. When I ask you answer, when you ask I answer. So start answering all those questions, instead of avoiding them.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the second great commandment …. is the restatement of the last 6 of the TEN COMMANDMENTS ………… already said this …. what EXACTLY is there to discuss …………

          • MamaBearly

            Love Amos I want you to talk about Jesus’ love
            It is not just about the last 6 sins. but HEY you learned something from me because before I told you that you did not believe it. Good for you!

            It is not about sin, like those are Amos. It has nothing about sin in it.
            It is saying that sin is covered by love.
            Darkness is covered by light,
            Good behaviour stands out against Bad behaviour.
            It explains in the gospel that Loving each other means that there will be no sin; you do not want to hurt someone you love, and sin is the way you hurt someone.
            Understand that?
            He is saying that Love is more important that worrying about which sin is what, we should not do something that is wrong, when we are aware of it being wrong. That is a sin.
            Love is not wanting to hurt the person you love, and want them to be happy.
            It is what God wants us to do with him, love him and want to make him happy by not sinning. And by loving everyone we will be the same with them, and not hurt them, and not sin, and make them happy.
            That is why we desire to repent when we love Jesus – because we love him so much and do not want to make him unhappy. We love him as a beloved father.
            Not a headmaster with a whip. SMH

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the second great commandment is about JUST that …..the last 6 commandments ………

            the first is about loving God with all our mind and all of our soul and all our strength ….. the first 4 commandments …….

            Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
            Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
            Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
            Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
            Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
            Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
            Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
            Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
            Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
            Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
            Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

            the second great commandment is about love of others as ourselves ……..

            Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
            Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
            Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
            Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
            Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
            Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

            that is all about love ……….. and nothing else …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Malachi 1
            2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
            3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
            4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

            And God destroyed Sodom because he “loved” them ….. and God destroyed the Egyptians under the Red Sea …. because He “loved” them ………. do you even begin to understand how ABSOLUTELY FOOLISH you sound …………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Proverbs 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

            Proverbs
            6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
            6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
            6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
            6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

            Psalm 97
            10 Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

            Psalm 119
            163 I hate and detest falsehood but I love your law.

            Romans 12
            9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

            Leviticus 19
            17 “ ‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. 18 “ ‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

            Ecclesiastes 3
            1 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens:
            2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,
            3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build,
            4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance,
            5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
            6 a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away,
            7 a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak,
            8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.

          • MamaBearly

            Are you telling me that I am sinning that way, or that you think those tell us to hate anything except sin, so we won’t sin?

            By the way, the last of your scriptures were the words to a son that I knew way before I knew it was even from the bible.

            Behaving properly is not restricted to Christians Amos, and not all Christians behave properly.

            “9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.”
            You have the audacity to list this as a Proof of a hateful God?
            You don’t seem to recognize that God was talking to believers not unbelievers with his lessons. HATE is not of God, Love is of God. Anyone without love is not of God. That’s scripture too.

            So you want the scriptures I have that prove that Jesus wants us to love him and everyone like He loves us? Fine.
            All of the scriptures tell us that he wants us to love everyone the same way He loves us. Please look them up and be sure they were in context for your own edification. Pray to God for a better understanding IF yours are wrong, Amos. God will tell you if you are right, so ask him to show you the Truth.

            That’s how I know my God is my teacher and I don’t have to worry if someone tries to tell me I am wrong about what I teach. I draw nearer to God with every day that passes. Can you say the same?

            I read your post of scriptures, please allow me the same courtesy.

            John 13:34
            A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.

            John 15:12
            This is my commandment, That ye LOVE one another, as I have LOVED you.

            John 15:17
            These things I command you, that ye LOVE one another.

            Romans 13:8
            Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE one another: for he that LOVETH another hath fulfilled the law.

            1 Peter 1:22
            Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned LOVE of the brethren, see that ye LOVE one another with a pure heart fervently:

            1 John 3:11
            For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should LOVE one another.

            1 John 3:23
            And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, as he gave us commandment.

            1 John 4:7
            Beloved, let us LOVE one another: for LOVE is of God; and every one that LOVETH is born of God, and knoweth God.

            1 John 4:11
            Beloved, if God so LOVED us, we ought also to LOVE one another.

            1 John 4:12
            No man hath seen God at any time. If we LOVE one another, God dwelleth in us, and his LOVE is perfected in us.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the sin IS NOT separable from the sinner …… God hates both the sin AND the sinner …… we are all sinners as we are BORN sinners …….. we are all, every man woman and child, deserving of hell ………. and we deserve nothing else ….. but God is merciful and has a chosen and particular people, the Elect, and those are the ones He chooses to bestow grace and mercy upon ……….

            If anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, “What have you that you did not receive?” (1 Cor. 4:7), and, “But by the grace of God I am what I am” (1 Cor. 15:10). If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, or that we can be saved by assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the effectual work of the Holy Spirit, who makes all whom He calls gladly and willingly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray from the plain teaching of Scripture by exalting the natural ability of man, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, “For apart from me you can do nothing” (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, “Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God” (2 Cor. 3:5).
            ~ Adapted from The Council of Orange (529 AD)

          • MamaBearly

            HE HATES NO ONE!! you got my dander up now Amos.

            You are leading others to believe a LIE and that is Blasphemous! You are so WRONG’

            You just wont take my advice to ensure your own salvation by reading what I have told you? You are NOT A CHRISTIAN.

            You will not be saved according to the gospel So Good bye and expect me to reply to oppose your every comment that leads others to view God as a Hateful God.

            You make me want to say how Angry God is going to be for you ruining his reputation/.

            You are a donkey. If I weren’t trying very hard to keep my Christian attitude and behaviour, that would have been much stronger of a word. Your belief is an abomination to God. His last commandment for the Love of God was to tell us to love each other AS HE LOVES US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            How can you possibly say that God is a LIAR because you just did.

            I am shaking I am so angry with you saying that.

            GOD HATES NO PERSONS. HE HATES THE BEHAVIOR THAT ALLOWS US TO SIN.
            How Can Anyone Honestly Believe That God Hates Everyone When
            He Told Us He Loved Us STRAIGHT OUT BLUNTLY.

            I was told to believe what I wanted to believe of the beliefs of the bible. That’s why I ask around, but no, you are trying to spread the Gospel of Hate. You should be smitten by God for doing that. You are going DIRECTLY against God’s Word.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sorry …. scripture and the truth of scripture which is Gods eternal word ….. says you are wrong …..

            Malachi 1
            3 Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.

            Romans 9
            13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
            14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
            15  For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
            16  So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

          • MamaBearly

            So one person hated by God is all you have to say God hated anyone? That’s it.
            2 scriptures but about one person.
            And you make this into a Hateful God?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the EGYPTIANS lying at the bottom of the Red Sea would agree …. God hated them for their sins …. they were not separated …. Sodom would agree ….. that God hated them for their sins ……. and they were not separated from them …… how about ALL the peole NOAH left behind to be swallowed for the evil in the world and their SINS ….. they would agree ……. so 2 scriptures …………….. HARDLY ……………………

          • MamaBearly

            You gave me two scriptures and did not mention anything else. That’s why I said that. You normally go wild with scriptures to Prove something. lol!

            Each one of these is hated about the sin. if they had not sinned there would be No hate.

            Also, do you not realize what God did with the Egyptians? He put it in their heart HIMSELF to be non-believers and rebel against God. He put the hardness of heart into the Pharaoh to stop him from letting his people go. He did it every time to show the Jews that they should obey him or see his wrath. He made Pharaoh not give the Jews what they asked for, before they asked. Said it straight out. To prove to them that He Is God. That’s what the scriptures say.
            So his hate for the Egyptians was for the choice that they made to not follow God, which is a sin, and which God has always said he hates. But with Jesus there is a change. Jesus has given everyone who does not believe, a chance to change to follow him up to their deaths.
            No one who repents will be refused Salvation. He wants no one to die for sin on earth, he tells us that all sin will be punished in hell.
            You think that when a person sins, God hates them right then and there? And hates them until they repent? You make God sound wishy-washy. (He’s not)

            Stop going into the Old Testament Amos. The Gospel is what matters not the OT.
            The old Testament is to testify to the New Testament by references to Jesus and the plan to save everyone. It is the lead up to the NT, no less important if it is used with the Gospel. It is the New Testament that you should believe from, because Jesus gave us a new commandment, and he gave us New Instructions to follow for him. He wanted us to be like him, as much as possible. The Fruits of the Spirits are behaviour that he showed us as an example, not just in the Scriptures.
            Galatians 5:22-23
            22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
            23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

            Do you understand what they each mean? It’s what Jesus told us because we are to have those attitudes to be good Christians. Good works may not be what saves us, but if Jesus is telling us to behave in a certain manner to accomplish bringing more people to Him, and you don’t obey? How can you possibly think that not obeying God is going to be OK with him?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the WHOLE of scripture disproves your assertions ……….. sorry …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God – Classic Sermon by Jonathan Edwards
            youtube;com/watch?v=TtHijgqceXo

            replace the ; with a .

          • MamaBearly

            Oh Wow. You really do think God is a God of Hate? By Amos, you are not following God in any way shape or form. You think you have a guaranteed Salvation and there IS NO guarantee of Salvation for anyone. If you don’t stare behaving like a GOOD Christians, You are not following Jesus in any way. Good bye Amos. Be prepared to hear I don’t know you, when you cry Lord! Lord! May God bless you with the Truth before it is too late!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the only thing that keeps all of us from immediate hell is Gods grace ….. we all deserve hell ……….. we all stand condemned by SCRIPTURE ………

          • MamaBearly

            You are right, But you don’t seem to understand that by going against God’s Word, you don’t have a chance at that GRACE.
            You show a hateful God, when God IS love.
            You show NO Love to anyone, especially sinners, but including other Christians if they do not agree with your view. Period. You cannot show love to someone who is from another part of Christ’s Body. That’s what the different denominations are, Amos, they make up the Body of Christ to be able to reach more people.
            What helps one person to believe and follow, will not necessarily be the same for the next person. That’s why there are different churches. They are not wrong as long as they follow the Gospel as that is considered the end of the teaching about God and his Love and forgiveness for repented sin. Jesus was the one who taught us all about loving each other and treating everyone well (like we want to be treated). Your branch obviously is to show just the way God feels about sin, but if you can’t understand that there is love in every aspect of God, and do not tell me that I am using the wrong love again. I have 10 scriptures that prove I do not, and I’m quite willing to post them all for you to read and believe me when I say he wants us to love him and everyone the way he loves us, Do you think God wants us to discipline HIM because we love him like he loves us?
            AGAPE love: Highest Love, unconditional, self-sacrificing. Yes that is the love Jesus has for all of us. The Highest Love is the love that causes us to be HUMBLE. The unconditional part is you know, has NO conditions, and self-sacrificing means not just what Jesus did for us, but it is what we do when we stop doing things that are not good behaviour for a Christian. We sacrifice (stop doing) our sins for the Love of Jesus.
            It should be for the love of Jesus that you want to have salvation, not because of your church or anything else, if your first priority is not Jesus and spreading the gospel as it is written, you are prioritizing things badly. God is to be first and foremost especially before any personal need (to punish others for their sin.)
            I’d love to know if you are finally reading my whole posts Amos.
            So be a good Christian and tell me if you are going Past what you feel is a mistake, and Hey maybe you could find more mistakes to comment on! One of these days, the Lord will open your eyes to your rebellion to Jesus’ ways.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “But you don’t seem to understand that by going against God’s Word, you don’t have a chance at that GRACE. ”

            nope … Grace is NOT EARNED ……… or it is NOT GRACE …. and what you just said is LAW …. so wrong … fail …. and not from God OR Scripture ………..

          • MamaBearly

            So you don’t even have to repent to receive salvation?
            You don’t believe that we are to show the Fruits of the Spirit?
            You think if you don’t show love – agape love – to everyone, that you will still receive salvation?
            What about his commandment to love everyone? Aren’t you going against his commandment by NOT showing love to everyone, sinner or not?
            So Jesus was just enjoying the sound of his own voice when he told us how to behave and to shine our light and reflect his own behaviour in our lives. Giving Glory to God.
            Hmm. how exactly do you give Glory to God?
            You have to be a good person to Give the Glory to God for being the Christian Jesus taught us to be. You sound more like you want everyone – sinners – to stay away from you so you can only be around what you think are the bigger sins (which really aren’t) and Yell rebukes to them about them going to hell for their sins.
            I don’t expect you to even read this far, You should read the bible, but especially the gospel over and over until you get this hateful notion out of your mindset. You can’t show love the way you show hate. It is in your posts Amos. You hate sinners, not the sin. You proved it by saying God hates everyone.
            Stop lying to people who don’t know better that they are lies. Start acting like the Christian that JESUS told us to be.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            we receive grace …. grace leads to our coming into line with Gods mind and Gods thinking ….. this leads to repentance ……… repentance is coming into agreement with God as to what is sin and what is not and that we all are in fact desperate sinners in need of God, His grace, His repentance and His forgiveness …….. and then we are saved and begin sanctification … and what we were saved from …. is Gods Eternal Wrath …… God saves us from GOD ……

          • MamaBearly

            Honestly, you have such an awful image of God in your head, Amos. It’s so sad.
            Do you not believe this scripture?

            John 3:

            14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
            15 That WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have ETERNAL LIFE.
            16 For God SO LOVED the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
            17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the WORLD through him might be saved.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have such an AWE-FILLED image of God that HE would give GRACE to those who NEVER DID ANYTHING to earn it ……… and to HAVE TO EARN it would make it LESS and MAKE GOD LESS …… so YOU are the one with the AWFUL image of who God is ……… NOT ME ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and that “serpent in the wilderness” was a foreshadowing of Christ …. YUP …. ABSOLUTELY …… and you know what …….. YOU stopped reading at the EXACT POINT THAT DESTROYS YOUR ARGUMENT ……..

            Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
            Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
            Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
            Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

            AGAIN ………..
            “but he that believeth not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
            And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, BECAUSE OF THEIR EVIL DEEDS.”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Psalm
            139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.
            139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
            139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
            139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
            139:17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
            139:18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

            Jeremiah
            1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
            1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

            John
            6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
            6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
            6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
            6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
            6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
            6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
            6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
            6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
            6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
            6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
            6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
            6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
            6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
            6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
            6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
            6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
            6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
            6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
            6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
            6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
            6:48 I am that bread of life.
            6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
            6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
            6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
            6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
            6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
            6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
            6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
            6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
            6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
            6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
            6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
            6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
            6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
            6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
            6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
            6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
            6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
            6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
            6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
            6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
            6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
            6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
            6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

            Ephesians
            1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
            1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
            1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
            1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
            1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
            1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
            1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
            1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
            1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
            1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

          • MamaBearly

            2 Peter 3
            9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come To REPENTANCE.

            Do you really believe that God would choose only select people out of the whole world of Christians? Not only the whole world, Amos, but every person that has ever been born, you think that God chose people out of all those, and only those can be saved?
            And those are guaranteed salvation even if they don’t obey Jesus?

            If God draws everyone to him, why would he not draw EVERYONE to him
            since he offers salvation by repentance. He’s powerful enough. He could
            make every single person follow him and obey his every command Amos. He
            is Omnipotent.

            So if God draws people to him to become The Elect, AND he wants ALL to come to repentance, why isn’t everyone Christians Amos? I think that means we are all Elect because he wants us all.

            Why would Jesus tell us to spread the gospel if it wasn’t so others could be saved?

            Why would Jesus command ALL his believers to love everyone.

            Why would the whole bible be written just for those limited number of people? Why did Jesus want the gospel to be spread to all parts of the world?

            These are the questions you need to answer to yourself, Amos. To get a
            better understanding of why it is a misconception to believe this about
            the Elect.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Do you really believe that God would choose only select people out of the whole world of Christians?”

            i do believe God only chooses a certain Elect people …. because …. GOD SAYS He does …… Israel was of the ELECT …. the people of Israel were of the ELECT and a CHOSEN people …. the EGYPTIANS were not …. well except for a very select few, VERY FEW …. so you got a problem with Gods choice of a CHOSEN people …. then take it up with GOD ………. and you see …. THAT IS HOW i know God is not teaching you …… because that is what HE HAS ALWAYS taught …… and you got problems with that ….. because YOU HAVE THE WRONG JESUS …………

          • MamaBearly

            No you have been taught wrong and it is a very selfish belief too. Selfish=sin
            READ MY WHOLE POST Amos. Perhaps you missed what I said about my scriptures being the Truth and you can’t argue that they aren’t.
            You won’t even address the scriptures about God’s love so WHAT kind of Christians are you anyway.
            Talk to me about the scriptures of love that I gave to you and prove they are not exactly what I say they are. Prove that I am wrong, or you will be admitting that YOU are Wrong and Your Truth is not complete Truth.
            No more prevarication. NOW before you say one more thing about ANYTHING.
            You tell me what those scriptures are supposed to be about if it isn’t to tell us to love everyone. Or You are a liar and I will Stand by that every time you post something that includes hate in it.
            This is it, Amos. PROVE ME THAT I AM WRONG ABOUT JESUS WANTING US TO LOVE EVERYONE. because otherwise, I have the duty to God to point out your mistake about omitting that in your Religion every time you post. I have to stand up for God, and I won’t stop doing that. So as the saying goes: Put your money where your mouth is: Put up or SHUT up .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            To Whom did Peter address his epistle to in 1 Peter? …………

            1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
            1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

            “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father” …. Peter BELIEVED IN ELECTION ……

            2 PETER 1:10
            2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

            “give diligence to make your calling and election sure:”

            PETER BELIEVED IN ELECTION ……

          • MamaBearly

            You have to stop believing in what other people tell you and start reading the bible and deciding for yourself what is the TRUE Word of God. You are being led by the blind.
            Every thing I say is from the scriptures and everything I say is about LOVE, but you WANT to have a hateful God, Amos? Would you not be happier with a God that loves you and wants you to be happy? Or is being hateful and miserable and closed minded about what the bible is telling us.
            I was told that each of us is in charge of our own Salvation, because no one else can arrange for us to get it but us. Amos, if we do not show the love that Jesus wants us to show for everyone, you are not obeying God. You won’t be forgiven for not obeying God, because there will not be grace for that. Especially when you have been lied to and blinded by what they are telling you, and not checking the scriptures to make sure the way someone else explains it is not accurate. You have not been checking scriptures and you do not act like you know them. Amos, God wants everyone to open their eyes and see the Truth, including the people who are being led astray by others.
            Amos, honestly, you can look up each and every scripture I have given you in the past, maybe a year, since we started here. You will not see what you’ve been told about Jesus. It won’t be there because it is not true, Amos. It is only a limited amount of scripture that supports even the idea of Elect and it’s very misunderstood. Telling you the “know” is a lie because No one but GOD knows. Why on earth would all the people who are scholars not recognize that if it were actually the TRUTH?
            Please read the scriptures that prove he is a God of Love, not hate.
            God COMMANDED US to love each other. In BOTH The Old Testament AND The New Testament.
            How can you possibly have read the gospel and not understood that God loves YOU and not just because you are supposedly some selected person. God loves us all.
            God would not create a whole world of people so he could only pick some of them before they were born to be saved, and hate the rest. It makes no sense at all, and God is way more intelligent than we are.
            Ask yourself why Amos, out of all the people in the world, he would only pick some, even not save some people who are just like Jesus told us to be, but do not know the Love of Christ. Why would he allow anyone to read the bible if it was not to be saved?

            You have to start questioning what they are telling you to Know in your heart that there is no other way to look at the whole of the Gospel. The only way to do that is to read it and think for yourself, Amos. Don’t follow blindly like the students did the Pharisee, Think for yourself. I promise you won’t be disappointed if you do.

            You do realize that the Elect is every Saint in every Christian Church, Right?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have to START READING the scriptures IN CONTEXT ………. and you are not ………. BTW …. “start reading the bible and deciding for yourself what is the TRUE Word of God.” …. THAT is the MOST SURE SIGN that YOU ARE IN ERROR …………….. We do not get to DECIDE WHAT GOD MEANT ….. GOD ONLY decides that …. NOT YOU …… NOT ME …………….

          • MamaBearly

            Peter was chosen by Jesus. He is an Apostle. We are Disciples of the Lord, we choose to follow the Lord. Apostles are the only ones that were even close to what you think of as the Elect.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Peter was addressing a CHURCH of believers … and he addressed them as THE ELECT …. and when you quoted 2 Peter …. he was not talking about or to any other group than the ELECT ….. and the ones God was not slack in His promises and waiting for their salvation ….. WAS THE ELECT ……………..

          • MamaBearly

            ADDRESS THESE SCRIPTURES!!! you tell me that God doesn’t love everyone but you won’t even try to explain these scriptures that PROVE God’s love for ALLLLL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            You won’t address them because they PROVE I AM RIGHT.

            And it proves that you are spreading the Word of God that is a Hateful God, makes you a LIAR. God hates the sin of LYING. But he will punish people who spread LIES about the gospel and who blasphemy his reputation. AMOS = LIAR

            John 13:34
            A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.

            John 15:12
            This is my commandment, That ye LOVE one another, as I have LOVED you.

            John 15:17
            These things I command you, that ye LOVE one another.

            Romans 13:8
            Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE one another: for he that LOVETH another hath fulfilled the law.

            1 Peter 1:22
            Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned LOVE of the brethren, see that ye LOVE one another with a pure heart fervently:

            1 John 3:11
            For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should LOVE one another.

            1 John 3:23
            And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, as he gave us commandment.

            1 John 4:7
            Beloved, let us LOVE one another: for LOVE is of God; and every one that LOVETH is born of God, and knoweth God.

            1 John 4:11
            Beloved, if God so LOVED us, we ought also to LOVE one another.

            1 John 4:12
            No man hath seen God at any time. If we LOVE one another, God dwelleth in us, and his LOVE is perfected in us.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God has a particular people He is going to save ……. God created ALL people …. BUT …. NOT all people are His people …….. and Christ said so SPECIFICALLY ……… in John 8 ……….

            Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
            Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
            Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
            Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
            Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
            Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
            Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
            Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
            Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

          • MamaBearly

            You have not addressed MY SCRIPTURES; Do not give me any scriptures until you discuss those exact scriptures. I won’t address anything you post without that first.
            Tell me what YOU think that means to YOUR belief. Each one is about the LOVE of God for all people not just the elect. You don’t even understand what the Elect is for the Lord’s sake,.
            If you don’t address what the scriptures mean then I will just keep posting them and telling you to address THOSE scriptures, not other ones, THOSE ones!

            No more Prevarication. Tell me what you think these scriptures mean, if you don’t think they mean that God LOVES us ALL. Go Ahead Amos, you can do it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            your scriptures are OUT OF CONTEXT and are MEANINGLESS ………… what is there to address ….. when you can quote it IN CONTEXT and then MAYBE we can discuss its meaning …. BUT …. i am not going to assist you in MISHANDLING and not RIGHTLY dividing the scriptures ….. that you REJECT in any case …. scripture does not dispute scripture ….. YOU dispute scripture ……….

          • MamaBearly

            You can’t read them yourself? Ok be prepared then. 10 scriptures with all the context you want… you want the whole book?
            You asked for it, You got it!!
            Watch for my reply posts.

          • MamaBearly

            You can’t even start with the most known scripture in the BIBLE
            John 3:16 Look it up yourself because this one YOU SHOULD KNOW WITHOUT ME TELLING YOU.

          • MamaBearly

            #1 Scriptures that STATE that God LOVES EVERYONE

            You are reading the scriptures incorrectly so how can you even tell me what they mean?

            You tell me it doesn’t dispute scriptures, and it shouldn’t you’re right, but obviously the scriptures you tell me that disputes these CAN’T DISPUTE THEM.
            Not to worry amos, if you can’t figure this one out, I have 9 MORE to go.

            John 13

            1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
            2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him;
            3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
            4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
            5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
            6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
            7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt
            know hereafter.
            8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash
            thee not, thou hast no part with me.
            9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my
            head.
            10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
            11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
            12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
            13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
            14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet.
            15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
            16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he
            that is sent greater than he that sent him.
            17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
            18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be
            fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
            19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I
            am he.
            20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and
            he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
            21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily,
            verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
            22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
            23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
            24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
            25 He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
            26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
            27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou
            doest, do quickly.
            28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
            29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give
            something to the poor.
            30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.
            31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified,
            and God is glorified in him.
            32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
            33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said
            unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

            KEY VERSE 34
            34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you,
            that ye also love one another.

            35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
            36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither
            I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
            37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
            38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto
            thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            we already covered this ….. and this deals with the Ten Commandments …….. they are ALL ABOUT LOVE …….. Love of God AND Love of Neighbor ……… so what ……….

          • MamaBearly

            John 15

            1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
            2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
            3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
            4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide
            in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
            5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
            6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men
            gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
            7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it
            shall be done unto you.
            8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my
            disciples.
            KEY VERSE 9

            9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

            10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my
            Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

            11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

            KEY VERSE 12
            12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

            13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
            14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
            15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have
            made known unto you.
            16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go
            and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit
            should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may
            give it you.

            ANOTHER KEY VERSE 17
            17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

            18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
            19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of
            the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth
            you.

            20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If
            they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my
            saying, they will keep yours also.

            21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know
            not him that sent me.

            22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

            23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

            24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
            25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

            LOOK AT THAT! HE MENTIONS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AS A SECOND SPIRIT! But you don’t believe that you need more than just the Spirit of repentance. lol!

            26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
            27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

            I Dare you to say it was only meant to the Apostles. The Word of God is for everyone too. Everything in the bible is for everyone who reads it. Not just a few select people, it is for the whole world and everything that is said is for everyone to follow to be saved, not just a few.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I Dare you to say it was only meant to the Apostles. The Word of God is for everyone too.”

            is scripture to everyone … sure …. but the only ones CAPABLE of receiving it are the ELECT CHOSEN by God from the foundation of the world ……….. the Apostles …. were PART of the ELECT …….. OBVIOUSLY ……

            “LOOK AT THAT! HE MENTIONS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AS A SECOND SPIRIT! But you don’t believe that you need more than just the Spirit of repentance.”

            yes the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth … and it is the Holy Spirit that delivers the GIFT of repentance …. there is no “spirit of repentance” spoken of in the scriptures ……… but scripture states that until men have that GIFT ….. that God has intervened in their lives ….. they will follow their nature and will not choose it as they are NOT CAPABLE ……. “And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing”

            Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
            Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
            Joh 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
            Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

            Further …….. “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him” … So GOD does the selecting … NOT MEN who are NOT CAPABLE of that choice ….. and it is ALL ABOUT GOD and HIS CHOICE …. not ours ….. HIS ELECT …. we do not get to “vote” ourselves into the Kingdom ………

            Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
            Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
            Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
            Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
            Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
            Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
            Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
            Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

          • MamaBearly

            #4 – #2 + #3 were on the last post,
            Romans 13
            1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
            2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
            3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
            4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
            5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
            6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
            7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

            KEY VERSE 8
            8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

            HERE is the verse that REMOVES the homosexual sin and says that it is together with the Love thy neighbour as thyself. He didn’t mention fornications either!

            9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other
            commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love
            thy neighbour as thyself.

            10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
            11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is
            our salvation nearer than when we believed.
            12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
            13 Let us walk HONESTLY, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
            14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the
            lusts thereof.

            PUT YE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST –
            you don’t even know what that means do you Amos?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “HERE is the verse that REMOVES the homosexual sin and says that it is together with the Love thy neighbour as thyself. He didn’t mention fornications either!”

            FAIL ……….. from the VERY SCRIPTURE you just quoted …. and in context i will add ….”Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” … BUT …. every act of homosexuality DOES HARM and IS NOT LOVE ……… FAIL …. refuted …. by the CONTEXT YOU just provided ………. thank you …….. and ROMANS 1 …. STILL IN ROMANS ….. says ….. ” For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” …..

            Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
            Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
            Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
            Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
            Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
            Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
            Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

            so now WHO IS THE LIAR about scripture …….. YOU …………..

          • MamaBearly

            I put a few little notes in between the scriptures for you.

            I am not a liar. Read the scriptures, Jesus was the one to say it to US ALL.
            And besides this is NOT about homosexuality at all and you KNOW it.
            Those scriptures were about God being a loving God not a hateful God.
            I will keep posting everyone until you answer. I expect the board would rather you address them each since I posted one at a time.
            Start figuring out how you can prove to me that the love in these scriptures is not about God’s love for us all.
            You can start with John 3:16

            If you don’t know this scripture by heart, then you don’t know a damned thing about Jesus or the bible. It is the most important scripture about God and Jesus AND US.

            While I was going through this for you, I realized that it has a LOT of scriptures that ANYONE who BELIEVES in God and that he sent his son to be a sacrifice for our sin. Right down to the bottom.

            There is SO much that you don’t seem to know about that is part of the Gospel.

            I think your teacher skipped a few scriptures when he taught you that God was a hateful God., who hated his whole creation, who are in the image of his Himself…. Right (sarcasm)

            John 3:
            1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
            2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
            3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
            4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

            THIS says that you need 2 baptisms right here:

            5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

            6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
            7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
            8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
            9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
            10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
            11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
            12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
            13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
            14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

            Here is another scripture that proves that the Elect is whoever (that MEANS EVERYONE) believes in Him.

            15 THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

            KEY VERSE 16: You should have memorized this by now. It
            is the first scripture that should be well known by all Christians.

            16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

            Again, two scriptures in a row tell us that Anyone who believes will receive Salvation. So again, it isn’t only the Elect.

            17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

            SEE! HE WANTS TO SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD OF HUMANS.

            18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
            19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
            20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

            21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

            THIS POINTS OUT THAT “HIS DEEDS” which are GOOD DEEDs to reflect Jesus and shine our light and give Glory to God for the people who see us as Good Christians.

            22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
            23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
            24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
            25 Then there arose a question between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purifying.
            26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
            27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
            28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
            29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
            30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
            31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
            32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
            33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
            34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
            35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
            36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

            And AGAIN – Eternal life for a believer. Not a word about the Elect.

            Because The Elect are the Apostles, Amos. They are chosen
            by God to teach the Gospel.
            The Disciples (who choose to follow Jesus) go out and tell everyone about Salvation and repentance. And then they tell the WHOLE story of Salvation, not that it is for a couple of people, it is for all people.

            That was the only one that pointed out that homosexuality was not said by Jesus as a sin. Funny how JESUS said it was not considered a sin and that all the commandments were comprehended by the last commandment. I prefer to know what Jesus said, After all, it is HIS WORD.

            Of course, you don’t believe in Jesus’ love, so you can’t even sin and have love make it null and void. Yes that is what it means, that if you have enough love, your sins will be justified by the love you showed while here on earth.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Christ never said anything about “removing the stain of homosexual sin” …….. so sorry ….. that is a lie ……….. “And besides this is NOT about homosexuality at all and you KNOW it.”
            BUT YOU were the one to bring it up ……… so why did you ………… God hates sin and it is not a sin to hate sin …. so wrong ……….

          • MamaBearly

            Still waiting for you to explain how I can be wrong about John 3.
            Won’t address anything that you try to get out of it with.
            Don’t bother with any other replies Amos, I want you to deal with this.

            I didn’t think you knew the love of God because you are so full of hate, Amos.
            I’m glad you do, but I wish you would treat people better, that’s all. I hate the way you are giving Jesus a reputation that is not about HIS LOVE. That’s what Jesus said, all the way through the gospel.
            So lets start talking about the Love of God. Please.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have already dealt with John 3 …. did you miss that …. do you want me to cut and paste it here again ……..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “THIS says that you need 2 baptisms right here:”
            5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
            6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
            7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

            No .. it does not ……. “BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT” (your emphasis) …. nothing there about two baptisms …. it is about two BIRTHS …. one of flesh and one of spirit ….. so what is the problem …. it is quite clear …. yes we need to be born AGAIN of SPIRIT ….

            “Again, two scriptures in a row tell us that Anyone who believes will receive Salvation. So again, it isn’t only the Elect.”

            NOPE …. the only ones who WILL BELIEVE are THE ELECT ….. men without Gods intervention are not drawn and are not saved and are not of the ELECT … only the ELECT get saved …. men who have not Gods intervention are not CAPABLE of that belief ……

            “Because The Elect are the Apostles, Amos. They are chosen by God to teach the Gospel”

            NOPE AGAIN …. GOD has chosen the ELECT and yes the Apostles are PART of the ELECT …. but ALL believers are the ELECT ………. there is no other group that will be saved except the ELECT …. and unless and until God intervenes …. men are not CAPABLE of that choice …. God is the only one who has that choice ……..

          • MamaBearly

            Amos I’m trying to tell you that you are wrong about the elect and you won’t even listen. Have you ever researched the way you believe, to see what others tell you about why they don’t follow the same belief in some way. I have, and when I disagree I just walk away because if they don’t have a belief that I would – believe- I need to go to another church. Some – make that – many people just do not go back to church when their situation changes. Some quit church because of the way their church believed. And those too are too often the ones that do not look for another church.

            Making God out to look like a hateful God, has made people walk away from the churches that believe that. Especially when it is directed at any of the people whose lives have touched theirs and even though they are sinners, we all are, and they love them. And a hateful God would not accept that but with Jesus focusing on his love, he wants us to love so much he’s crossing off sins for it, and that means that those people will not be going to hell for they are justified by their love.

            I’ve enjoyed our discussions when they are calm, but calling me names just gets me annoyed. We are all allowed our beliefs, Amos, but it must be a belief in Jesus. You actually do not have to be a member of a church to be a believer. Think about what I say about being a good Christian, not a harsh Christian. please?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you cannot tell me i am wrong about the ELECT …. because you are WRONG ……. see how simple that is ……….

          • MamaBearly

            There you go there are 5 references to love – first lets talk about them, then if you insist I’ll get the other ones. I also have some questions, but I’ll make it easy for you and only put one per post so you don’t have too much to read.

            #5 GOD LOVES EVERYONE Scriptures.
            1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
            2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the
            Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto
            you, and peace, be multiplied.
            3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his
            abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of
            Jesus Christ from the dead,
            4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved
            in heaven for you,
            5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed
            in the last time.
            6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness
            through manifold temptations:
            7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth,
            though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory
            at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
            8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
            9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
            10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who
            prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
            11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did
            signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
            12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister
            the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the
            gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the
            angels desire to look into.
            13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
            14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in
            your ignorance:

            Hey Amos, here is where it tells us to be HOLY when we are talking to others. demeaning anyone or telling them in any rude manner is not holy. Better get that HOLY on, before you post again!!!

            15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy IN ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION;

            16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
            17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to
            every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
            18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as
            silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
            19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without
            spot:
            20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
            21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
            KEY VERSE 22

            22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto
            unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
            23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
            which liveth and abideth for ever.

            Just to make sure you know it, BRETHREN, are every single person who believes in Christ. not just you “Elect” which is actually every person who believes in Christ and repents for sin, as well as being a good person and using the Fruit of the Spirit to spread the Gospel and show others that Christ is a LOVING GOD who loves each and every one of HIS creation of humans.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            out of context ….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and WHO WAS IT SENT TO …. “2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the” … and we already did this one ……….

            “Just to make sure you know it, BRETHREN, are every single person who believes in Christ. not just you “Elect””

            umm …. skeezics …. the ELECT are ALL THE BRETHREN there are …. there is no BRETHREN outside of the ELECT ………… the ELECT are ONLY THE BRETHREN …………

          • MamaBearly

            His particular people is every one that believes in Christ’s crucifixion and his victory over death. That’s it Amos,
            Look Amos, Anyone who truly believes that God sent his only begotten son to die for our sins (ALL) who was crucified on the cross, and after 3 days rose again with victory against death.

            Why do you think God would create all the people in the world, tell everyone to spread the gospel so EVERYONE can be saved? So what, you think each generation has a couple of people picked out?

            That makes no sense at all.
            By the way, are the Jews the Elect too?
            How do you think the Elect was chosen then?
            and how do you know that you are part of the Elect.

            Gee does that mean all the priests, ministers, Reverends, Pastors are not saved because they are not part of the “Elect”?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “His particular people is every one that believes in Christ’s crucifixion and his victory over death.”

            thats right …. and NOT EVERY MAN is CAPABLE UNTIL God intervenes in their life …… so what else is new ………..

            “By the way, are the Jews the Elect too?”

            Not if they do NOT accept Christ ………..

            “How do you think the Elect was chosen then?”

            God chose them from the foundation of the world …. before the creation was created ….. they were PREDESTINED …….. Ephesians 1 ………….
            Eph 1:5  Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 
            Eph 1:6  To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 
            Eph 1:7  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 
            Eph 1:8  Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 
            Eph 1:9  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 
            Eph 1:10  That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 
            Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 
            Eph 1:12  That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 

            “Gee does that mean all the priests, ministers, Reverends, Pastors are not saved because they are not part of the “Elect”?”

            some are … some are not ………

            “and how do you know that you are part of the Elect.”

            i did not know that it was possible to NOT know if you were or not …………… it is not possible ……….

          • MamaBearly

            Well, the way Most Christian Churches believe, The Elect is the congregation, and in our church, if you are not baptized, you are not saved.
            The congregation are Saints, and we believe in Christ, therefore we will be saved.
            Amos, why do you think that ALL those other churches don’t agree with you about most of what you’ve told me.
            Why do you believe differently – Is it just because of the way you were taught that you believe the way you do?
            I feel bad for you not knowing how wonderful Jesus’ love is.
            I can’t imagine not feeling it! Do you ever feel the Holy Spirit move when you are at Church? We sure do! Even Visitors say they feel the Spirit moving around the Church.
            I really wish you would look at God in a different way. Hate is evil, and God is not Evil. He can’t hate us – it would be a sin.
            Have you ever looked into other religions and their beliefs and wondered why they are so totally different?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            what does baptism mean …. what do you mean by baptism ………. all believers, the Elect are saints ….. therefore you will be saved?????? ……. NO …. you are ALREADY saved …. and you were not saved by a choice you made …. you were saved by a choice GOD made …. and you were saved EVEN BEFORE you were created ……..

            “why do you think that ALL those other churches don’t agree with you about most of what you’ve told me”

            because men want to be in control …. and the idea that GOD is in control bothers them …. bothers them to the point that they reject scripture and GODS word …..

            “I feel bad for you not knowing how wonderful Jesus’ love is. ”

            and why do you think i do not …….. because let me tell you …. i do … and i want that same love for you and every other person ….. but they will not find it in a false belief in who Christ and the Father are ….

            “Hate is evil, and God is not Evil.” “He can’t hate us – it would be a sin. ”

            God hates evil ….. so guess what …. that is wrong …….. God hates evil and it is NOT sin …. so wrong again ….. God hates the rebellion to His authority … and it is not sin …. and God is not going to accept those in rebellion to His authority …. but God knows us so well …. so INFINITELY well …. that He knows who will respond to His drawing them to Himself and to Christ …. there is NOTHING we have to teach God ….. There is NOTHING for God to learn …. there is NOTHING He does not already know …… including who the Elect are …. and because God is JUST …. those in rebellion are fated to eternal damnation by their own decision and free will …………. they are free to choose God …. but they will only follow their own desires ……. and they do not desire God ………. God is SOVEREIGN over all things ….

          • MamaBearly

            Look, I think you look at the gospel differently, but it isn’t saying one is right and one is wrong, I guess.
            I wrote some thought for you and wondered if you would please read it all for me, not just up to the first mistake. I would really appreciate it, Amos, please.

            I know everything you are saying already. God IS. That’s what I believe. God IS. He can do anything create anything, and if he wanted to, he could have just “made” us all do his will, every single one of us, but he didn’t, and instead he gave us free will to make our own choices. He wanted everyone to love Him, and when they did not, he set about basically destroying those who rebelled against him.

            Part of the reason you are not understanding my point is because you won’t accept that it is our free will to choose whether to follow him.

            God has always allowed free will, right from the garden of Eden. That is the only way that Eve could have chosen – with her free will – to eat the forbidden fruit, and Adam did too, against God’s Word, which they were expected to listen to, and obey, if they loved him. “If you love me, do my commandments” was the way it was put by Jesus.

            Amos, Free will is given to us also by the Grace of God. He wants us to love him of our own free will. Yes he knows who will be saved and who won’t because time is not relevant to him. He can see what will happen in the future including the changes that are made between now and then.
            But he does not use his power to “make people choose him”, he offered me 3 different churches and it was the 3rd one that He told me I was home now. That I belonged there.
            I wasn’t interested in religion at all. As a matter of fact, I only said I was a “Christian” and an “Anglican” because I was baptized as a baby. — not really my choice, and I had no concept of what I was doing as far as believing in Jesus.

            In our church, baptism is done when you fully understand what a Christian is. It is a choice to be made. Children were blessed in the bible, but never baptized. Only adult men were baptized, + that was mentioned in the Bible.

            Ok take a few big breaths, and take a break (just in case) so you can calm down. Then keep reading. Please?

            Amos, not all the Christians will be automatically saved. The ones that are not ‘real’ Christians but tell others they are; the ones that we were warned about, the Anti-Christ. Some will choose to follow a fake Jesus. they stop believing. Some will grow up in the church and never truly believe and when they move out of the house they give up the church. They were saved, but they won’t be anymore without repentance. That is the major requirement for Salvation, but they don’t give it any thought anymore, they are not automatically saved.

            They leave the church and don’t find another one. If they aren’t repenting, they will not be saved, even if they are baptized as an infant.

            Repenting is what is considered crucial to God. It is the way we tell God we are sorry for hurting him, because we love him, with all our heart, and all our mind, and all our soul, with all our strength and we do not want to hurt the ones we love. By loving we show our light, and that may not be a commandment, but it was made pretty clearly when Jesus told us / the multitudes the things he did. We are to be the light to shine brightly, as no man puts a lit candle under a bushel, our light is the way to Jesus, and when other people see our Fruit’s of the Spirit, they will want to learn more and will in turn Love Jesus and believe in him and be saved. Another soul is saved.

            That is why the people in the O.T. were able to turn away from God. It was a choice they made of their own free will.
            When God had the bible written, it was to teach us how we were meant to be when he created us; what he had in mind was a people who would love him and want to obey his commandments, and be good people. Like the Samaritan’s lesson. Now that is what he is offering to the people who believe and follow his example for the way they live their lives. In every way.

            I don’t know why you don’t understand the way I do, Amos. I honestly don’t. The only way I can explain it to myself is that there are many parts to the body of Christ and we come from two different parts. I guess we needed different beliefs to be able to reach more people. And boy our back and forth sure did teach a lot of people about the differences in the various religions, because we both kept up our sides pretty evenly, in the long run, depending on whether you feel like being ‘nice’ or not. lol

            Each Christian Church teaches in a way that people need for understanding the gospel.
            That is why there are so many all over major cities.
            As long as the church is based on the Gospel then it is possible to be a True Faith Christian Faith. We cannot tell other denominations that they are wrong, because they are the different parts of the body of Christ. Think of the 7 churches in Revelation.
            We were told in the scriptures that we were not to put a stumbling block to others. That is so we don’t trouble people about our various beliefs, which you don’t seem to do…. and we started this whole “you aren’t reading the scriptures correctly” posting battle. Sounds silly when you think about it.
            Amos, you never talk about anything in the “good” category. You don’t talk like you are the type to go out and preach on the street, so seriously, do you not think that Jesus wanted us to follow what He told us to be like in the New Testament? Why would he talk about it at all, if he did not expect us to follow his example. It isn’t “doing” anything to “earn” salvation, but he still expects us to be the way he showed us. Yes, Amos we are to reflect Jesus and be good people, who do care about and for others even if they do know their sins. When I was growing up, Christians were good people, and you could go to a Christian if you needed help. They were nothing like Christians are today. There is no guarantee that Christians are all good people. But they should be Amos, that was the point of being a Christian, and standing out as a follower of Jesus. That is why Jesus taught us to be good people and shine our light. He said to shine our light in the scriptures. He didn’t just talk about sin all the time, and we shouldn’t even be thinking about sin, except when we repent or are teaching others. Otherwise there are good things to think about which are pure, etc. etc. because Jesus told us to meditate on the good things in life. He told us not to even think about what other people do.
            I could have added that he was talking about sinners there, but you would assume that.
            Not all the scriptures are harsh lessons, Amos. If Jesus IS Love, as God IS Love, then Jesus would not be talking harshly all the time. It is only one of the Greek meanings of Love that he showed us as attributes. He was said to have had compassion for the multitudes – all sinners still – that is a different word in Greek.
            Each one of the scriptures I gave you represent what I told you, even without context, because of the repetition of the words, 10 times.

            Stop thinking about sin all the time. We aren’t supposed to think about it, just be aware of it and recognize it when we do it so we can repent.

            You see, you keep harping on about the sin, and I keep trying to get you to see his love.

            When Jesus said they were comprehended by the command to love each other.
            I know you won’t agree with this, but it is what the scripture is telling us…
            Jesus is telling us that sin, all sin, can be justified with Love to allow more to be saved.

            Love covers a multitude of sin.

            If there is evil – darkness – in the heart, and then if you love, it brings light into your heart, and if there is enough light (love) to blot out the sin, Jesus said it to show that we had to love above all things. … but you won’t believe it; thankfully many others will understand what I am saying. That’s also connected to the scripture that tells us that Love covers a multitude of sin.

            A whole lotta love and then you don’t have to worry about your salvation.
            Well, this is the end, and if you have really read all the way down here, then I thank you and I do appreciate it very much.

            And this is where I stop. I don’t mind discussing how our beliefs are different, because according to scriptures, it is not our place to interfere with another person’s faith.

            You should stop being so proud of your position of God’s Child, I know it’s hard, but God hates pride, regardless.

            Don’t be so harsh with sinners, Amos. Most of the people you are rude to here might know that their belief is expected to be punishment to them. We are not supposed to trouble people about their belief, for or not for. So unless you are talking about the gospel itself, be kinder and not so demeaning. Christ never put anyone down like you have. It just is not Christian behaviour to be rude to anyone. You don’t even have to talk to them if you don’t want to. That would be better than being rude. So if you are not interested in a calm, kinder kind of discussion, then don’t reply to them.

            Show the love of Jesus in your life, Amos. seriously.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Part of the reason you are not understanding my point is because you won’t accept that it is our free will to choose whether to follow him.”

            scripture says the unregenerate man is INCAPABLE of choosing God …….. so i really do not know what you are talking about ………….. and that unregenerate man will choose only according to his unregenerate nature until GOD CHANGES that nature ……. THAT is what YOU will not accept from scripture ………….

            LOOK ….. take a vulture …. put it in a room with a pile of meat and a pile of carrots ….. which is he going to CHOOSE …. he will CHOOSE the meat because that is HIS NATURE ….. take a bunny and put it in the same room …. which is he going to CHOOSE …. the carrots because that is his NATURE …. and HIS NATURE will DETERMINE his CHOICE …..

            take an unregenerate rebellious SINNER and put him in a room with a CHOICE of SIN and a HOLY GOD ….. which is he going to CHOOSE ….. he will choose SIN …. because THAT IS HIS NATURE ……………….. he will NEVER CHOOSE GOD ….. why …..because HE LOVE HIS SIN MORE ………..

            this is not rocket science and it is laid out very SIMPLY in the scriptures ….. until GOD INTERVENES …… mans only CHOICE will be to SIN because THAT IS HIS NATURE …… we are ALL DEAD IN TRESPASSES AND SINS …. and WE WERE BORN THAT WAY AS FALLEN MEN …………… and unless and UNTIL GOD changes that NATURE …. he will remain so ………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Repenting is what is considered crucial to God.”

            repentance IS A GIFT FROM GOD ….. it does not come from men ……. not GODLY repentance ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Do you really believe that God would choose only select people out of the whole world of Christians?”

            there are exactly three positions here …… God saves no one ….. and i do not think EITHER of us believes that ….. OR ….. God saves EVERYONE ….. and CLEARLY He does not ….. that is universal-ism ….. and it is unscriptural and a lie and not christian doctrine ………….. OR …. God does what He has said He will do …. and give mercy to those HE deems fit …… and to the rest ………. NOTHING ….. and those that He bestows mercy on …. ARE THE ELECT …………..

          • MamaBearly

            No I did not say he will save everyone – I said he WANTS to save everyone. Scriptures say so! PROVE ME WRONG!! Find the scriptures I am talking about and prove that what they say are NOT what I state they are.
            Or can you find scriptures that you don’t know?

            No more of this You have got to address the scriptures about Jesus and love.
            Here I’ll re-post them for you:
            John 13:34
            A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.

            John 15:12
            This is my commandment, That ye LOVE one another, as I have LOVED you.

            John 15:17
            These things I command you, that ye LOVE one another.

            Romans 13:8
            Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE one another: for he that LOVETH another hath fulfilled the law.

            1 Peter 1:22
            Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned LOVE of the brethren, see that ye LOVE one another with a pure heart fervently:

            1 John 3:11
            For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should LOVE one another.

            1 John 3:23
            And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, as he gave us commandment.

            1 John 4:7
            Beloved, let us LOVE one another: for LOVE is of God; and every one that LOVETH is born of God, and knoweth God.

            1 John 4:11
            Beloved, if God so LOVED us, we ought also to LOVE one another.

            1 John 4:12
            No man hath seen God at any time. If we LOVE one another, God dwelleth in us, and his LOVE is perfected in us.

            So if you think God is not about love, then you must not be of God, for God IS Love….
            I will re-post these 10 scriptures about Jesus’ love until you address them. You either tell me what I am not understanding about those scriptures, or you will just be asked again, and again. until you do. I am demanding you finally answer what I have asked you time and time again that you have avoided. No more avoidance.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “No I did not say he will save everyone – I said he WANTS to save everyone. Scriptures say so! PROVE ME WRONG!!”

            and i already did in the same epistle you quoted ………… but once AGAIN …..

            2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
            2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
            2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
            2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
            2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
            2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
            2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
            2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
            2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

            IN CONTEXT …. this is ALL ONE LETTER …. and it is to be TAKEN AS A WHOLE …… so WHO was Peter addressing ….. He was addressing the ELECT and he was addressing them ABOUT ELECTION ….. and the promise was to THE ELECT ………. “make your calling and election sure:” …also ….. when scripture says “that all should come to repentance” does not refer to EVERY PERSON …. that would be universal-ism ….. wrong ….. it is FOR THE ELECT to be saved …………

            2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
            2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
            2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
            2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
            2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
            2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
            2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
            2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
            2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
            2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
            2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

            REFUTED …. in the EXACT SAME EPISTLE YOU quoted it from …………..

          • Tonya Elise

            HATE is a SIN by what God has Said in his word. It is Of the Devil and is EVIL !!!!.

          • MamaBearly

            Yes!! That’s what I keep telling Amos Moses, but he stand by his belief that God HATES everyone!! Scriptures of Jesus’ commandments will not be addressed by him at all.
            Thanks for the support! God bless!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You think if you don’t show love – agape love – to everyone, that you will still receive salvation?”

            if God says so …………… YUP ……….. and ….. HE DOES …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Proverbs 1
            24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
            25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
            26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
            27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
            28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
            29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
            30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
            31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
            32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
            33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

          • I applaud your reasoning, MamaBearly.

            Far too many people grow up with the attitude that their god made male and female separate and distinct. They’ve never even considered (or learned about) babies born intersexual (both male and female reproductive organs).

            The parents of some of these children make the decision shortly after birth which gender they want their child to be and order the surgery to make it so.

            But sometimes they were wrong and the child grows up the genotypical opposite of what they chose. Would these fundamentalists never let them marry at all?

          • MamaBearly

            Hi HobbesianWorld! Good to see you again!
            I actually wasn’t even thinking of hermaphrodites, and feel bad for the parents when I read about it. It must be very hard to have to choose either without knowing the child first. I believe that God has a reason for everything, even when the Devil is allowed to set a snare for us, God allows it to test our faith, and even our loyalty, so if God allowed a baby to be born with both, there is a reason and if God wants us to know, he’ll make sure that we do.
            I am so glad I had my children before this world seemed to start to slide into the darkness more because of all the hate.
            I don’t envy parents these days. Others even get to decide how we can punish them now.
            The kids are taken away so quickly without consideration of their feelings and needs at all, because someone ‘thinks’ there is something wrong. I think it should be investigated before children should be removed. Some things are not child abuse to us, may be abuse to someone else. But each of us should be allowed to choose who we are and who we are to our children. Make sure the child is not being physically abused, and is happy at home, then go on with watching to make sure the kids ok. It should be a really hard decision to take a child away from their parents or it is too easily made.

            Sometimes I feel like “Stop the World I want to get off” lol!
            Take care of yourself, and do drop in again soon. Enjoy your adventures! God bless!

          • Hi again MamaBearly,

            God allows it to test our faith, and even our loyalty, so if God allowed a baby to be born with both, there is a reason and if God wants us to know, he’ll make sure that we do.

            Well, of course, I cannot accept that answer because, for me, it is no answer at all. I think it is something of a copout. Once one takes that position, then they don’t have to think about it, but leave the problem of social damaging condemnation for the affected persons to cope.

            What society does not consider is that each baby is a genetic construct that always varies–no two are exactly the same except, perhaps, for identical twins.

            As well, there can be real differences between a person’s phenotype (genetic structure) and his genotype (physical appearance). How do you determine the real gender of an intersexual? You can’t. You have to wait until they grow enough to know themselves, and it can be either male or female, or some of both.

            One’s sexuality, or sexual predispositions, are determined before one is born and one’s sexual genotype can vary over the entire spectrum of sexual proclivities.

            My point is that the gender one appears to be (phenotype) doesn’t always agree with his sexual gender (genotype). Thus, a person whose genotype varies more from the average should not have to suffer society’s condemnation for it. The person literally cannot change his genetic predispositions.

            So the question becomes, not what caused the variation (we already know that), but how should society treat those variations. A lack of education in biology is, perhaps, the root cause of condemnation, which is enhanced by religious strictures (written thousands of years before science and knowledge of genetics).

            The writers of the Bible, especially translators of the OT, had no clue that sexual difference can be wide ranging, and thus codified their prejudices into biblical law. Those seeming “different” than “normal” were condemned and most often killed.

            We should be well beyond that ignorance (non pejorative) now and treat each other as we would like to be treated were we in their shoes. We need empathy, not shunning or making laws against those different from us. We should applaud the differences and seek to make others happy.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        “So, in other words, parents should not be concerned about their child’s happiness?”

        they absolutely should ….. but by their actions …….. they are not doing that ……….

        • MamaBearly

          So you think these parents should have “Forced” their child to be a boy, even though it has expressed the opposite desire. That by doing anything less is not in the child’s best interest. That is what you are saying isn’t it?

          I just want to be certain of what you are stating here.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they have not CORRECTED him ……… and that is a PARENTS responsibility to his child and to GOD ……….

            Luke 17:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
            1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
            2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

            Matthew 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
            5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
            6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
            7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

            Mark 9:42 King James Version (KJV)
            42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

          • MamaBearly

            So in your way of seeing this situation, the scriptures are telling us to ignore the child’s mental health and let him commit suicide at 8 years old, instead of seeking therapy and allowing it until the therapy helps with the child’s mental health. Really?
            I just can’t see Jesus feeling a child’s suicide would ever be the right thing to do, but if the parents acted like you say they should have, the child would have committed suicide. They were extremely lucky as it is that they did not show it if they felt it was a problem. Otherwise he would never have confided in them and he would have been cutting or attempting suicide at the tender age of 8.
            Sorry, You would be offending the little one, by putting those scriptures about HURTING children instead of realizing that the way you prescribe to “Force” better behaviour will hurt the child more than allowing it. If you know anything about psychology at all, force is never a good thing to do to someone in the younger stages of life. Not when it comes to their mental health. Jesus knows this and he is letting all this happen.
            You really need to read the Gospel

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “the scriptures are telling us to ignore the child’s mental health and let him commit suicide at 8 years old”

            ummmm …. your view of what is happening is what is twisted ….. by allowing this child to continue on this path …. it will MORE likely cause or lead to their suicide by NOT CORRECTING them ……..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Jesus knows this and he is letting all this happen.
            You really need to read the Gospel ”

            Matthew 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
            5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
            6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
            7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

            Mark 9:42 King James Version (KJV)
            42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

          • MamaBearly

            How exactly do you know they did not at first try to “correct” him and found that it did not “work”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            does not matter …. even IF they did ….. they are NOT NOW correcting him …………. that is the point ……… correction does not stop just because they “found that it did not “work”” …………… they are the PARENTS and are IN CHARGE of the child ….. not the other way around ………

          • MamaBearly

            Amos, tell me, how do you know what is happening behind the scenes at therapy sessions, or at the home where the family lives. Especially with all the laws removing the method of punishment that you would follow from the Bible, so that if there is any complaint they could charge you with abuse now.
            So how do you know they are not committed to trying to find a way to bring him back to what they consider “normal” but have to be careful because of the LAWS. It would serve no purpose by having their child removed and themselves charged and possibly going to jail for it.
            It is not until the child is of an age to understand right and wrong
            that they are responsible for their own sins. The religions that honor
            that age usually have a rite of passage around the age of 13. Before
            anyone is condemned for the sin they have to be able to tell right from
            wrong. As this is a universal thing that parents teach, not limited to
            Christians, but it is an age that separates children from responsible or
            not responsible for their own sins. God would not ever refuse a child
            who did not understand right from wrong and it’s consequences; that
            child is an innocent. who would still be taken to heaven.
            Considering how the law has been made to punish parents who do try to instill anything Biblical, and that is something that Christians have to fight back with spreading the gospel and salvation with repentance.
            Until we put Christians BACK into a more favorable light, the world will not change just because we want it to. Not even if we throw a tantrum.
            Fight the evil in the world with Goodness by following the 2 commandments and the “golden rule”. Help people as often as you can. Smile always knowing that you have a God that loves you and blesses you.
            Stand up for Jesus and Christianity. It may not be a command to do good works, but it is still something that Jesus pointed out would be something he would also do. That means we are to do it .
            No amount of complaining and pointing to who is wrong and who is right will work to bring this world back to a more peaceful time. No more than it has ever in the past.
            The only way to battle evil is with good. That’s in the scriptures.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            therapy is not the issue … SIN is the issue ….. and what they are doing to the child …. by allowing the CHILD to dictate what is and what is not ….. makes them non-parenting parents ….. and it is IN THE STORY we are talking about …. “Parents of Eight-Year-Old Boy Who Identifies as Girl Sue School for ‘Forcing’ Son ‘to Live as a Boy’” …. men make laws CONTRARY to Gods law ….. that DOES NOT ALTER Gods law ……….. and it is abuse ……..

          • MamaBearly

            EXCUSE ME?? Are you for real?
            So how do you avoid jail and the child being taken away.
            You are not using your intellectual faculties at all here.
            I never said it altered anything God said in the bible. I was neutral in everything I said.
            The only way they could be abusing the child is by physically changing his body parts.
            Like I said, we can’t keep God’s law in today’s World. The only place that we can keep God’s desires is to put a fence around our Village and not let anyone have internet.
            Oh and only Christians can be the Police so they won’t arrest you. I think that would work. SMH

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            we follow GOD LAW when MANS LAW is contrary to GODS LAW ……….. you are not reading the scriptures ………. and it is apparent that the SCRIPTURES mean nothing to you ……..

          • Tonya Elise

            Give un to Caesar what is Caesar’s Give un to god what is God’s. .. Judge Not lest Ye be Judged.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so out of context and devoid of meaning ….. what else do you have …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Like I said, we can’t keep God’s law in today’s World”

            maybe you worship that god of pragmatism ….. i do not …………..

          • Tonya Elise

            God doesn’t make mistakes.I have a higher than the average Estrogen levels “if” I were a male.
            DNA lies, Hormones do not.
            __ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
            the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
            6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
            the Father, but by me.
            *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
            nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
            I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
            Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
            since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
            on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
            Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
            7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
            2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
            and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
            3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
            but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
            John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you,
            that ye also LOVE one another… I say this all the time. If you believe and are truly a Christian.. Those that only take parts of the BIBLE, Yet not the BIBLE as a whole. You are only a s0-caslled Christian. But , You hate shows the Devil and evil. Hate is a Sin. I believe in the whole Bible. I am a Christian My gender ID may be seen as bad/evil But god loves me so much even i am Saved. Worry about you own Sins . Let God worry about mine.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you must mean the Queen James …….. and so what if your “estrogen levels” are higher ….. chemistry is not an EXCUSE …………..

          • MamaBearly

            As I said, you cannot be a parent because you are not understanding what they are up against.
            Amos, lets just pretend you are a real parent. Do you want to go to jail
            because you are forcing your child to not be transgender? Is that what you should do to bring your child to Jesus – have him taken away and be put into jail?
            Can you not get your head around this?
            What possible good would it do for the authorities to take the child away from the parents (and let him do what he wants) and have them arrested and put in jail.
            The Parents have NO CHOICE as far as the public goes.
            If you had read my post, you would see that control is out of a parents hands these days, and the law is in place in many states that state that by not allowing the child to display their transgender identity, will put you in jail.
            Parenting is not anything like you seem to think it is in today’s world.
            As far as religion goes, a lot of people today, hate the way they were forced into doing what the parent wanted. This means young people will not want to come to Jesus thinking he is a hateful God. Think about that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            that does not alter my responsibility to SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Do you want to go to jail because you are forcing your child to not be transgender?”

            better to go to jail than to hell ………. better the child is disabused of their sinful notion than to go to hell …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            maybe you worship that god of pragmatism ….. i do not …………..

        • Tonya Elise

          God doesn’t make mistakes.I have a higher than the average Estrogen levels “if” I were a male.
          DNA lies, Hormones do not.
          __ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
          the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
          6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
          the Father, but by me.
          *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
          nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
          I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
          Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
          since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
          on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
          Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
          7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
          2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
          and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
          3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
          but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
          John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you,
          that ye also LOVE one another.
          What God does Amos believe in??? It is Not the God of LOVE that i believe in. EVERYONE IS BORN INTO SIN, It take the God of love and Jesus to make you live forever. With him and only him are you saved.. LGB might be a sin. BUT, they too can be Christians as well. The word “Christian” Means Christ-like buy we all fail the complete Glory of God. Gender and Gender ID is NOT the sin you make it out to be. In fact Gender is NOT a SIN> And God loves everyone. He Hates sin. But it is NOT for People to be JUDGE and Jury. that Right is for God alone to judge.

      • Knowledge Transfer

        When after the she becomes a he and the she wants to become an it [transspecies] who will care?

    • Tonya Elise

      I am a Christian and I am a Trans-woman. Gender and gender Issues are NOT a sin.
      God doesn’t make mistakes.I have a higher than the average Estrogen levels “if” I were a male.
      DNA lies, Hormones do not.
      __ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
      the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
      the Father, but by me.
      *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
      nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
      I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
      Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
      since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
      on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
      Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
      7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
      and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
      but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? You are a so-Christian … Hate is a Sin too.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        “Gender and gender Issues are NOT a sin.”

        Gender is not …. “issues” …….. probably are ……… and your blanket statements and misuse and out of context scriptures prove nothing ………..

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        “I am a Christian and I am a Trans-woman. ” …. “I have a higher than the average Estrogen levels “if” I were a male. DNA lies, Hormones do not. ” ……

        ummmmm …. i doubt it ….. christians do not try to use chemistry as an excuse for their BEHAVIOR ………. you do ….

        Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
        Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
        Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
        Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
        Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
        Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
        Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
        Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
        Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
        Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
        Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

        also ……….

        Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
        Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
        Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
        Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
        Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
        Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

        Adam tried to blame God for the “woman YOU gave me” ….. did not work for him …. and your blaming chemistry and God for that chemistry …… will not work for you ………..

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        “”I have a higher than the average Estrogen levels “if” I were a male. DNA lies, Hormones do not. ” ……”

        BUT you have been saying ….. “God doesn’t make mistakes.” …. God CREATED the DNA …. so you are calling God a LIAR??????????? ………….. REALLY …………..

  • Nidalap

    I say again, Munchausen by Proxy…

    • Oboehner

      Viable.

  • Oboehner

    Parents of the year, I’m tellin’ ya!

    • GordonHardiman

      They love their kids and care enough to listen to what they have to say, they aren’t just telling them to shut up and ramming dogma down their throats. I know you radicalized Christians would prefer to see that but thank God there are people out there who know better.

      • Knowledge Transfer

        Mommy I want to be a monkey because I feel like a monkey. Feelings aren’t facts. Pampering perversion and pacifying perverts is evil. These parents need to be removed from their children because they aren’t parents.

        • RWH

          Well, you go down that path, and someday someone will come knocking at your door to remove your children and possibly forceably sterilize you or your spouse.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            I think you misread what was said. If you believe that a can decide whether she/he/it wants to go through mutilating and amputating surgery to “trans” into a monkey, their will be long lines at your door and their won’t be any knocking!

          • RWH

            If you are advocating violence, including into breaking into someone’s house, I hope that you won’t mind spending the rest of your life in prison. With what happened last weekend, I don’t think that people are going to look lightly at terroristic threats.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Your powers of discernment have atrophied. You have lost your mind making imbecilic comparisons and by not only misstating what was said but by misstating what wasn’t said.

          • RWH

            I stand by what I said. To say “there will be long lines at your door and there won’t be any knocking!” can’t be taken in any other way but a threat. Inasmuch as you didn’t refute what I said by reason and logic but rather by insults, my interpretation is further strengthened. The language is that of a bully!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You are a blame shifting; finger pointing and scapegoat making convolutionalist . Only a brazen perverted bully would support the insanity of permitting children to undergo maniacal body mutilating and amputating surgery based entirely on transient feelings since feelings like fashion statements often change especially in the young.

          • RWH

            Well, this article mentions nothing about any type of surgery. However, you have failed to address your threat where you have said that “there will be long lines at your door, and there won’t be any knocking.” When are you going to repudiate violence? This alone indicates that you are both a danger to yourself and to others. Should someone report you to the authorities before you go off and hurt someone?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You must be looking in the mirror when you rifle off your fire; ready; aim hallucinating rants. You
            and you inhumane and dehumanized ilk are the source of violence because what you sponsor and salute is violent.

          • RWH

            The rhetoric of violence is a sure sign of an unstable individual who has been painted in a corner. We should note that you made a threat in a previous post, and rather deal with it, you just make matters worse. Should we be concerned that you don’t perpetuate an act of violence similar to the one last week in Charlotteville?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Stop looking in your mirror when you rifle off your blame shifting; finger pointing; scapegoat making idiocy. You’re like the drunk driver who thinks that alcoholics should be able to drive drunk because not permitting alcoholics to drive drunk is discriminatory and when you kill people in drunk driving accidents, you blame the one’s you killed for causing you to drive drunk.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            If you have freedom to confuse, I surely have freedom to clarify. This article doesn’t have to say what it really means because what it really means doesn’t have to be said. It’s implicit.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Hey RWH…In Canada and if I understand correctly in Communist California as well, the Godless are removing children from parents who refuse to allow their children to mutilate themselves. Therefore, we should also [to avoid charges of discrimination] allow the removal of children from parents who permit mutilation. Your hypocritical response [above] was: “Well, you go down that path, and someday someone will come knocking on your door to remove your children and forceably sterilize you and your spouse.” Wow!

            You not only threaten me and my wife, you overreact with dripping hypocritical stupidity.

          • RWH

            Your biases are showing. I would like to see some documentation proving the children are being removed. If this is going on, you should be able to provide names and cases. So, who are these children that are being removed. Even conservative press has said nothing. Secondly, what is your proof that these people are godless or communists? You make lots of accusations, but you have no proof to show that those accusations are true.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You can’t read because you are a dolt!

          • RWH

            I take it that by your choice of providing an insult instead of proof, you are admitting that you are just pulling stuff out of the air in the hopes that we’ll be uninformed enough to take you at your word. The only case that has met the news is the one in Minnesota where a mother is contesting a change. However, in this case, the child lived away from the mother for over two years, and in that time, the mother never made an effort to contact the child. In the meantime, the child was living independently and has a job. In addition, the child is now eighteen, so the case is moot. If you know of many cases where children are removed, provide them here so that we can check them out for ourselves. This way you can prove that you’re not the dolt.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Why did you ignore what is happening in Canada? Why do you cite error via embellishment? Why do you lie? This insanity is percolating throughout the country where “minor” children [like the Hitler Youth in Germany] are being favored over their parents. You are knowledge deprived; impervious to reason; lacking in a functioning conscious; and invulnerable to regret. Your feeeeeeeeeeelings are not based on facts.
            You should be insulted because you are an insult.

          • RWH

            If you read one of your previous posts, you said that these things were happening in California. There is no documented evidence that this is taking place in California. Now, you’re switching over to Canada and again, you’re making absolutely wild statements. If children are being favored over parents, this does not substantiate that children are being given operations over their parents’ objections. If this is indeed happening, it is your obligation to substantiate your claim with solid proof. Show us where this is happening by giving us names or sources where we can check this out for ourselves. This works so much better than imploding and calling people names like a little spoiled child.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            There you go again not only misstating what was said but even more vile saying what wasn’t said. Check out my exact words to you a mere 14 hours ago [see above]. People like you bear false witness. I never said that these things were happening in California and I’m not now adding Canada as a switch. I suggested California and mentioned Canada 14 hours ago. Do you have a brain that can read what was written while remembering what was said? Or do you just wing it based on feeeeeeelings? What I said was “In Canada and if I understand correctly California as well.” Canada was clearly mentioned 14 hours ago not now just added; and stating “if I understand correctly” doesn’t state certainty!

          • RWH

            These were your exact words: “In Canada and if I understand correctly in Communist California as
            well, the Godless are removing children from parents who refuse to allow
            their children to mutilate themselves.”

            Where is your proof? Apparently you are upset that you can’t just pull all sorts of stuff out of the air and not expect people to challenge you on these claims.

            Furthermore, you stated ” This insanity is percolating throughout the country where “minor”
            children [like the Hitler Youth in Germany] are being favored over their
            parents.”

            Again, where is your proof?

            I don’t know what type of game you are playing, but you made two claims. I challenged you on them. Rather than substantiate those claims with evidence, you prefer to pile abuse and libel.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You said I didn’t say what I said. Your reference was not to the entirety of my statement which you now include but rather to two cherry picked parts of it that you abused. You said that I recently cited Canada when in fact Canada was mentioned at the very beginning which you now readily admit without admitting to your error. And again Oh “he/she/it” of prominence, why don’y you recognize that saying “if I understand correctly” isn’t the same as saying something is in place!

          • RWH

            You have been pinned down, and all you can do at this point is blow sparks in all directions. You’re very liberal in accusing others of being liars, but you still cannot substantiate the two statements that I have quoted. You’re pathetic!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            When animals criticize human s, the criticisms are compliments in disguise. Is saying something might be in place the same as saying something is in place??????? What you say is a wonderful auto-biographical statement about yourself.

          • RWH

            Animals criticizing humans? You have got to be kidding. Maybe you can convince yourself of this, but to everyone else, it’s just a dodge. You keep on digging your hole deeper and deeper. When are you going to become an honest man?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            What does “If I understand correctly mean”?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Your information is correct, and I posted something to that effect. Ignore the blowhard.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            No problem. Thank you for being honorable.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Again you convolutionist saying “if I understand correctly” obviously means lack of certainty. What about your refusal to cite Canada? Truth isn’t abusive and it’s not libel. You are drenched in both.

          • RWH

            Lots of psycho-babble with no substance whatsoever. You made two sweeping generalizations. When are you going to act like a man and either admit that you’re wrong or you provide some concrete evidence to back your claims? If what you say is true, incidents should be all over the news. However, they’re not because none of this has happened.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            What does the word “if” mean?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Don’t pretend you know something about a topic you know very little about. There is a law that was recently passed in Canada, that allows the government in Ontario to take away children from parents who don’t support the transgender agenda. It’s Bill 89.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Here you go. Second time you’ve been proven wrong and falsely accused Knowledge Transfer. Why make things up?

            breitbartDOTcom/california/2017/08/17/california-bill-1-year-in-jail-for-using-wrong-transgender-pronoun/

          • Garbage Adams

            “Breitbart” hahahha

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You do know that bill is a real thing, don’t you? Do you know how to verify it? Here you go:
            leginfoDOTlegislatureDOTcaDOTgov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB219

          • Garbage Adams

            “Breitbart” hahahahahaha

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You were right about California, too.

            breitbartDOTcom/california/2017/08/17/california-bill-1-year-in-jail-for-using-wrong-transgender-pronoun/

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Thank you again. Please send this to RWH to soothe him.

        • GordonHardiman

          Yeah, try staying within your SPECIES when responding to these things.
          Is your name ironic?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Your name is moronic. What species are you?

          • GordonHardiman

            Go call other people evil perverts Adolf. I don’t waste breath on people like you, it’s bad enough I have to share oxygen with you.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            What species are you arsehole?

          • GordonHardiman

            Why don’t you suck a fart out of my asshole, fundie scumbag?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You must remove you head from your ass first!

          • GordonHardiman

            I can’t hear you, fundie scumbag!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Well take your head out of your ass and listen.

          • GordonHardiman

            I can’t hear you, FUNDIE SCUMBAG!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Before you can hear you must remove your head from your ass.

          • GordonHardiman

            ASSHOLE! ASSHOLE!! ASSHOLE!!!

            LOL!!!!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You have to remove your head from your ass first then call up one of your “felching” friends where you and he can play “pitcher” and “catcher”.

          • GordonHardiman

            I can’t hear you, FUNDIE SCUMBAG

          • Knowledge Transfer

            The average adult needs to work with a concept between five and seven times to understand it HOLISTICALLY. Given that you are not an adult and that your IQ doesn’t register, you need to work with a concept for eternity. Therefore, let me say one more time oh dolt ridden wonder…You have to remove your head from your ass FIRST before you can hear given the cave where your head resides and your ears so full of ooze

  • InTheChurch

    In California, a child can go into the restroom that they feel they need to be in. But, the district needs to have a letter from an MD, psychiatrist or psychologist to make it happen. If this family did not get that letter, the district did nothing wrong legally.

  • Recognizing_Truth

    Parents have an obligation to NOT encourage delusional behavior in their children, and in fact, to seek help for them. If the boy had body dysmorphic disorder would they also say “you’re as fat as you feel, son” then encourage anorexic or bulimic behavior?

    • Tonya Elise

      The Transgender Brain development
      How does the M to F Transgender?
      Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
      female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
      testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
      insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
      However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
      Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
      remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
      masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
      The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
      was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
      this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
      age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
      You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual). Though they too have some of the same traits.
      Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.*This may help F to M trans people too..
      This may not be Proof but, it is an logical answer..The Trans info may help you understand
      anyone with gender issues….. and you are only So-called Christians by name only But Hate is a SIN TOO> I am a Christian and I am a Trans-woman. Gender and gender Issues are NOT a sin.
      God doesn’t make mistakes.I have a higher than the average Estrogen levels “if” I were a male.
      DNA lies, Hormones do not.
      __ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
      the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
      the Father, but by me.
      *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
      nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
      I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
      Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
      since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
      on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
      Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
      7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
      and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
      but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

      • Recognizing_Truth

        Your first claim “Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
        female
        ” is false and has been shown to be a myth.
        The rest of your arguments would be predicated on that myth and are therefore not relevant to the discussion.

  • Eric L

    Needless to say, this is plain child abuse.

    Not only should the kids be taken away, but both parents should be sterilized. If government took a strict line with abusive parents, this “transgender child” nonsense would end in a hurry.

  • sagat

    The devil is a liar ! how can a child of any age whom God has created in his own image wake up one morning and say “i am in the wrong body”? God never makes mistake and to say this is makes him imperfect. Anyway this child and others need deliverance

  • Tonya Elise

    I am a Christian and I am a Trans-woman. Gender and gender Issues are NOT a sin.
    God doesn’t make mistakes.I have a higher than the average Estrogen levels “if” I were a male.
    DNA lies, Hormones do not.
    __ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
    the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
    6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
    the Father, but by me.
    *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
    nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
    I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
    Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
    since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
    on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
    Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
    7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    • Tonya Elise

      The Transgender Brain development
      How does the M to F Transgender?
      Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
      female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
      testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
      insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
      However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
      Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
      remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
      masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
      The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
      was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
      this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
      age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
      You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual). Though they too have some of the same traits.
      Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.*This may help F to M trans people too..
      This may not be Proof but, it is an logical answer..The Trans info may help you understand
      anyone with gender issues.

  • Paula McManus

    I think CPS needs to take that child away from those abusive parents and give him a good Christian home where such delusions are not encouraged.