Teenage Boy Who ‘Transitioned’ to Girl Changes Mind: ‘I Realized I Could Be Happy Without Changing’

A teenage boy who “transitioned” to a girl two years ago with his mother’s help has now changed his mind, as he has realized that he is not really a girl and is actually comfortable with the way he was born.

Patrick Mitchell, now 14, and his mother Ellie, who hail from Australia but currently live in the U.K., recently appeared on “60 Minutes” to share their story.

“[The doctors] were wrong to pigeonhole him so quickly,” Ellie Mitchell said. “I think they should have said, ‘Here we have a child who does have gender dysphoria and he’s going through a period of transition, where he needs to work out exactly how he feels.'”

She explained that her son began expressing an interest in female clothing as a young boy, but she initially overlooked the matter as just a phase.

“When he was young, he would dress up in girl’s clothes,” she explained. “And at one stage, he did say to me, ‘Could [I] be taken to the doctor to be made a girl?'”

When Patrick was 12, he still told his mother that he didn’t feel like other boys, so she decided to take him to a doctor. Mitchell was consequently diagnosed with gender dysphoria and allowed to begin presenting himself as female.

“I felt inside that I was a girl,” he told 60 Minutes. “I didn’t feel physically that I was a girl, but I felt like I was on the right track to becoming a girl.”

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Puberty became an even more difficult and confusing period, as Mitchell recalled that he didn’t like to look at himself in the mirror.

“I would just kind of wonder if I really needed to be alive,” he divulged.

His mother, becoming concerned at his suicide threats, hid all the knives in the house and sought to help her son obtain puberty blockers. However, since Australian law does not allow youth to undergo hormone therapy until age 16, Ellie Mitchell gave her son her own estrogen medication.

“It was a very tough decision,” she said. “Our motivation for second stage treatment was that Patrick was growing very tall and very broad. One thing that estrogen will do is halt the bone growth to more of a girl pattern of growth. So, we were wanting to fuse his bone growth so that we could reduce his height a little bit and also soften his features.”

Earlier this year, Patrick was still feeling restless, and admitted to his mother, “I’m just not sure that I am a girl.”

“I guess that I just realized that I could be happy without completely changing who I am,” the teen said.

Mitchell now is planning to travel to South Korea to have a breast reduction, since his chest began growing after taking his mother’s estrogen. He sees it as the final step in getting back to himself as a male.

While Mitchell and his mother say that they don’t regret the two-year journey, Ellie Mitchell did remark that she is sorry that her son experienced such confusion.

“To see your child smiling—He’s so happy and he’s confident now,” she said. “I’m sorry he was confused and for the dark times, but I’m really happy with who he is today.”

Pediatrician and professor John Whitehall of Western Sydney University told the outlet that confusion is common in children, and that making permanent changes to their body is not the answer.

“People are not interested in discussing the science, [and make us think that] we’ve all got to believe that there’s no such thing as a boy or a girl—that we’re all somewhere in between. No, I don’t believe that,” he said. “You think that [a child’s] emotional problems are going to get better by giving them estrogen? Fine, that’s called optimism; it’s not called scientific method.”

“The good news is that in all the major articles these children will revert to the natal sex through puberty,” Whitehall stated. “What we should do then is have confidence in the statistics and not mess the child up along the way.”


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  • JohninRedding

    The fact that it is acceptable to question your gender is why this boy would even attempt to change. The mother finally got it right when she acknowledged “[The doctors] were wrong to pigeonhole him so quickly,” “I think they should have said, ‘Here we have a child who does have gender dysphoria and he’s going through a period of transition, where he needs to work out exactly how he feels.’” By promoting the mindset that says your gender is what you decide it is, we are encouraging this type of behavior.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “we are encouraging this type of behavior.”

      encouraging mutilation of the body ………. and the use of very powerful drugs/substances ….

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Local Christian Comes Out As Bidenominational
    September 7, 2017

    • NCOriolesFan

      Outing conference at 6.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        lol ………..

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Just how serious a situation we are in with SSM ……….. this means the church …..

    Acceptance without exception worldwide – Stonewall
    stonewall;org;uk/sites/default/files/acce…Proxy Highlight

    ACCEPTANCE WITHOUT EXCEPTION WORLDWIDE | 1. Campaigning for equality for lesbian, gay, bi and trans people across the world. ACCEPTANCE.

    stonewall;org;/sites/default/files/acceptance_without_exception_worldwide.pdf

    replace the ; with a .

  • michael louwe

    Didn’t the liberals of the Blue States stated that transgenders are born as transgenders, ie they can’t be “reformed” or changed or can’t help being transgenders, and should be protected.?
    .
    The liberals of the Blue States protecting transgenders/LGBTQs, illegal Hispanic immigrants and minority Blacks is to pander for their votes

  • Garbage Adams

    What is the takeaway from this story supposed to be? That because one person has some gender identity confusion, everyone who is transgendered must also? How does that logic translate when you apply it to literally ANYTHING else?

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      there is no logic being used by the “gender confused” ……….and no science ….

      • RWH

        Says you.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          nope … says logic and science ………

          • RWH

            You have no logic, and you certainly have no science. People have posted information on this site, which you have conveniently ignored.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … it was not ignored …. it was rejected as false science … and it is ……

          • RWH

            It has been accepted by the leading scientific organizations, the ones who are true scientists and count. Only people like you reject it as false science through reasons other than sound research and examination of the data produced.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and their accepting of a lie means we should all accept the lie ….. NOPE ……… “reject it as false science through reasons other than sound research and examination of the data produced.” ….. NOPE … i reject it DUE TO reasons OF sound research and examination of the data produced” …. my mind does not shift into neutral just because the word “SCIENCE” is attached to it …. “SCIENCE” is not the magic word you seem to think it is ….. it does not turn a LIE into the TRUTH ………..

          • RWH

            Amos. I don’t believe that you have consulted any data whatsoever. What you pontificate and what you claim as truth comes from your own personal beliefs rather than any solid peer-refereed scientific journals. If what I claim is not true, exactly who have you consulted. Let’s see some names and publications and we can decide for ourselves what is true and what is junk.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “any solid peer-refereed scientific journals”

            proves absolutely nothing …. peer review is a joke …….. your chances of being published are about that of flipping a coin ….. published does not equal correct or truth …… published does not mean tested … published does not mean a person QUALIFIED to determine IF it was done correctly and with adequate protocols even read it …… it is not even an indication that it was EVER reviewed ….. and your reliance on a “peer reviewed journal” as any measure of truth is laughable …. FYI ….. the scientific method …. does NOT include it being “peer reviewed” and published ……….

            Why A Fake Article Titled “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?” Was Accepted By 17 Medical Journals
            A Harvard scientist wanted to see exactly how easy it is to get medical research published. In some cases, $500 is pretty much all it takes.

            Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals
            Richard Smith – US National Library of Medicine
            National Institutes of Health
            Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine

          • RWH

            The scientific community respects researched articles that are reviewed by their peers. This is the stuff that goes into the professional journals. People who don’t know science, don’t respect science, and have an agenda will make all sorts of nonsensical excuses to bolster their biases and to demean these people. In short, they have no credibility,so the rest of us just leave those types to sit along the side of the road and cry.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            okay …. SO WHAT ……….. the sources i gave you ….. like …

            US National Library of Medicine
            National Institutes of Health
            Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine
            ETC ……

            “they have no credibility” …………. sorry …. YOU are the one with NO CREDIBILITY if you accept that line of thought ……..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the FACT of the matter is …. YOU are not qualified to determine if THEY are qualified in their research NO MATTER WHO read it and said “okey-dokey” …………. you do not have the expertise in the fields of every different and VERY different research areas to even come to that determination ………… LAUGHABLE …………..

          • RWH

            It is abundantly clear that you don’t know what you are talking about, so it is a waste of my time trying to reason with you. You can now stew in your own juices.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Predatory Publishing, Questionable Peer Review, and Fraudulent Conferences
            John D. Bowman, MS

            also ….

            Peer Review Fraud on the Rise at Scientific Journals
            BY THEODORE DALRYMPLE OCTOBER 31, 2015

            “Because of super-specialization, the authors of papers themselves are nowadays often asked to suggest referees for peer review of their own work, but this, of course, leaves an opening for the practice of fraud. In a modern variant on Gogol’s Dead Souls, some scientists have been caught sending their papers for peer review to non-existent reviewers, complete with a curriculum vitae and an e-mail address. The article quotes the author of a blog on scientific research called “Retraction Watch,” who said “This is officially becoming a trend,” an odd way to put it, since either it is a trend or it isn’t, official recognition having nothing to do with it. There are even companies in China, apparently, that will help scientists to manufacture bogus peer reviews. A new twist would be for the rivals of those scientists to pay for bad reviews. Everything is possible in this crooked world of ours.

            The pressure on academics to publish, irrespective of whether they have anything to say, either for the sake promotion or even of mere continuance in post, is the soil which allows this particular weed in the garden of human dishonesty to flourish. Two large publishers of scientific journals, Sage and Springer, have retracted more than 100 papers in the last year because of bogus peer review. Neither the article nor the commentary from readers on it mentions that a bogus peer review does not necessarily mean that the science is bogus too, though it stands to reason that it is likely to be. But what stands to reason may not be the case, and as far as I know, no one has looked into this question.”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is abundantly clear you cannot counter the EVIDENCE of SCIENTIFIC FRAUD ………..

          • Garbage Adams

            You are the one being laughed at.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Science Is Ignoring its “Publication Pollution” Problem | Mother Jones
            motherjones;com/kevin-drum/2015/04/science-has-publication-pollution-problem
            6 Apr 2015 … … Mark Shrime recently wrote an article entitled “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs? … Predatory, pay-to-publish, non-peer-reviewed journals flood …

            Does peer review do more harm than good? –
            macleans;ca/news/canada/does-peer-review-do-more-harm-than-good/
            5 May 2015 … Peer review may be a central tenet of academic life, but Luc Rinaldi explains why … created a nonsensical paper titled “Cuckoo for cocoa puffs?

      • Garbage Adams

        Actually, there is plenty. You just have to be willing to trust real scientific sources.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “You just have to be willing to trust real scientific sources.”

          i do … when it is real science ….. my mind is not so open that my brain falls out …. nor is it shifted into neutral just because the word “SCIENCE” is attached to something ……….

          • Garbage Adams

            I see, so which real science sources do you trust and which ones don’t you trust?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            well that would DEPEND on what the study was, its methodology and the conclusions they draw ….. and then measure that with the TRUTH ….. that is how science works …..

          • Garbage Adams

            The only part of what you said that concerns me is your line about “truth” because I suspect you mean the Bible. Science has nothing to do with the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            science has EVERYTHING to do with God as God created it …… to reveal HIS CREATION ….

          • Garbage Adams

            No, that’s your opinion only. If we discover something scientifically, there is no need (or even way) to compare it to the Bible – and I assure you that is not how things are done in the scientific community.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure there is a way … but you reject it …. and therefore you are in ERROR …………. and your “assurance” …. means nothing ……….

          • Garbage Adams

            Anyone would reject it. I guarantee you no scientist has ever, for any reason, consulted the Bible for any reason related to their scientific findings.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            many have taken science from scripture and proved it true ……….

          • Garbage Adams

            Right, the wealth of knowledge of science which would span millions of textbooks is conveniently condensed into one written 2000 years ago.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            not what was said ………. but as you say ….. NICE TAP DANCING ………

          • Garbage Adams

            The Bible is not a science book. Never was.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            did not say it was … but it DOES contain ACCURATE science …..

          • Garbage Adams

            Like bats being birds, and the earth being flat?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            does not say either of those things …….. but nice try ……….. and yes … i have read those passages ……. out of context ……..

          • Garbage Adams

            Context for you is a highly subjective thing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you GAVE NO CONTEXT ….. it was ONE SENTENCE … context requires what was given …. you gave ONE SENTENCE ……….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Earth FLOATS in space ……… 3000 years ago ………..when the rest of the world said it sat on elephants or turtles or Atlas’ shoulders …….
            Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
            26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            bats and birds are both winged …. and this is what was being referred to by that passage …..

          • Garbage Adams

            No it isn’t. And how can there have been light before the sun was created?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            because that light … IS GODS LIGHT …… He is the light …… in CONTEXT …..

            1:1 In the beginning (TIME was created) God created the heavens (SPACE was created) and the earth (MATTER was created).
            1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters (God enters His own creation).
            1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (ENERGY was added to the CREATION, GODS energy)

          • D. Witzell

            Amos Moses is quite correct. Atheists LOVE to crow over the passage translated as “bird”, but which describe a bat and enjoy getting a lot of mileage out of it. But ancient Hebrew classification was different than ours; the focus was on form and function.The Hebrew word used in the passage is oph. It means winged creature and is derived from the Hebrew word for wing; go figure. A bat is a winged creature. Other creatures also fit under that umbrella. The Hebrew word for an actual bird is tsippor. Inadequate translation cannot fairly be used to discredit the Bible.

            And nowhere is the Bible does it say or imply the earth is flat. The applicable passages in the original Hebrew clearly imply that it is spherical.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            mmmm … and that is only YOUR OPINION …….

          • Garbage Adams

            No, that’s how science operates.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Nope … THIS is the way science operates ……..

            Peer Review Fraud on the Rise at Scientific Journals
            BY THEODORE DALRYMPLE OCTOBER 31, 2015

            “Because of super-specialization, the authors of papers themselves are nowadays often asked to suggest referees for peer review of their own work, but this, of course, leaves an opening for the practice of fraud. In a modern variant on Gogol’s Dead Souls, some scientists have been caught sending their papers for peer review to non-existent reviewers, complete with a curriculum vitae and an e-mail address. The article quotes the author of a blog on scientific research called “Retraction Watch,” who said “This is officially becoming a trend,” an odd way to put it, since either it is a trend or it isn’t, official recognition having nothing to do with it. There are even companies in China, apparently, that will help scientists to manufacture bogus peer reviews. A new twist would be for the rivals of those scientists to pay for bad reviews. Everything is possible in this crooked world of ours.
            The pressure on academics to publish, irrespective of whether they have anything to say, either for the sake promotion or even of mere continuance in post, is the soil which allows this particular weed in the garden of human dishonesty to flourish. Two large publishers of scientific journals, Sage and Springer, have retracted more than 100 papers in the last year because of bogus peer review. Neither the article nor the commentary from readers on it mentions that a bogus peer review does not necessarily mean that the science is bogus too, though it stands to reason that it is likely to be. But what stands to reason may not be the case, and as far as I know, no one has looked into this question.”

          • Garbage Adams

            Are you having fun digging up the articles that match your confirmation bias? I can do that too. Except since practically everyone and his dog Eric is in agreement with me, I can find far more and a lot quicker too.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            did not have to dig very far to find out what you should already know ….. but are want to ignore …….

          • Garbage Adams

            Here’s another article from the site you’re trying to push as something to be taken seriously: “Drug company caught taking cancer patients to push deadly opioids for profit”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Nope … THIS is the way science operates ……..

            Big Science is broken
            Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

            “The peer review process doesn’t work. Most observers of science guffaw at the so-called “Sokal affair,” where a physicist named Alan Sokal submitted a gibberish paper to an obscure social studies journal, which accepted it. Less famous is a similar hoodwinking of the very prestigious British Medical Journal, to which a paper with eight major errors was submitted. Not a single one of the 221 scientists who reviewed the paper caught all the errors in it, and only 30 percent of reviewers recommended that the paper be rejected. Amazingly, the reviewers who were warned that they were in a study and that the paper might have problems with it found no more flaws than the ones who were in the dark.

            This is serious. In the preclinical cancer study mentioned above, the authors note that “some non-reproducible preclinical papers had spawned an entire field, with hundreds of secondary publications that expanded on elements of the original observation, but did not actually seek to confirm or falsify its fundamental basis.”

          • Garbage Adams

            Crackpot.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so a non-denial denial ….. i think they tried that in government ………

          • Garbage Adams

            You’re quoting crackpot articles to try to discredit the whole of science. That’s really sad.

          • D. Witzell

            You don’t get it. These are not crackpot articles and Amos Moses is not discrediting the whole of science. He is merely pointing out that the issue of fraud is becoming a real issue of concern in scientific circles — reputable journals are particularly concerned about it, because it affects them, so it is they who are drawing attention to the problem, as the problems are becoming endemic and they are looking for solutions. The fraud is a threat to the whole system, because of the way that papers receive citations. If public trust in the reliability of scholarly research is to be maintained, then the problem must be solved! So don’t blow off the issue just because you don’t like the religion of the messenger.

          • D. Witzell

            That is an ad hominem attack. Why will you not engage with the issue? You seem totally focused on attacking the man (and his faith), that you ignore the message. Very shortsighted. Fraud in science or uncaught errors in science affects us all, because readers of flawed or fraudulent papers depend on the information. Especially doctors. Would you be as flippant over the matter if your doctor was unwittingly influenced by a problematic study and used its faulty conclusions as a basis for your care, or the care of a loved one? I seriously doubt it! Furthermore, fraudulent studies result in the waste of time and financial resources of individuals and companies who try to replicate studies. It also adulterates the knowledge base.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Nope … THIS is the way science operates ……..

            6 REASONS WHY MOST SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH IS FAKE, FALSE OR FRAUDULENT
            April 21, 2016

            First, there’s a replication crisis. More and more studies simply cannot be replicated, so any false theories are not thrown out, but left floating as acceptable ‘fact’ in the hallowed scientific ethers, when they are nothing more than studies paid for and promoted by the companies who have a marked interest in proving their personal hypothesis.

            Take for example a recent review of 67 blockbuster drug discovery research findings published in prestigious journals. A review of the studies found that three-fourths of them weren’t right. Bayer simply couldn’t replicate findings that were published in more than 75 percent of their drug trials. Another study of cancer research found that only 11 percent of preclinical cancer research could be reproduced – but the problem isn’t just in the pharmaceutical industry.

            Even in physics, supposedly the most complex and most reliable of all sciences, two of the most flaunted physics results of the past few years — the announced discovery of both cosmic inflation and gravitational waves at the BICEP2 experiment in Antarctica, as well as the supposed discovery of superluminal neutrinos at the Swiss-Italian border — have now been retracted.

            Why the gross negligence in a field that has been heralded as sacrosanct? The errors in science have been due to simple arithmetic miscalculations or excel spreadsheet mistakes, but they are also due to industry greed and outright fraud.

            Science has even discredited itself – in one study meant to hoodwink the very prestigious British Medical Journal, a paper with eight major errors was submitted. Not a single one of the 221 scientists who reviewed the paper caught all the errors in it, and only 30 percent of reviewers recommended that the paper be rejected.

            Second, scientists can manipulate data almost any way they deem fit. Data can be excluded, included and re-arranged to support the presupposition of any scientist.

            more follows …………

          • Garbage Adams

            You cut and pasted that from a Christian site. As such it has zero credibility when it tries to speak for science.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You cut and pasted that from a Christian site. ”

            guess again ………… wakingtimes;com/2016/04/21/6-reasons-why-most-scientific-research-is-fake/ ……… it is anything BUT christian ………..

          • Garbage Adams

            From the main wakingtimes page:

            “Taylor Swift’s latest video is an occult masterpiece of illuminati mind control”

            Are you SURE you want to be referencing this page? At ALL?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            The Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine
            ncbi;nlm;nih;gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/
            *******(note the NIH .GOV) ********

            Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals
            Richard Smith

            “My point is that peer review is impossible to define in operational terms (an operational definition is one whereby if 50 of us looked at the same process we could all agree most of the time whether or not it was peer review). Peer review is thus like poetry, love, or justice. But it is something to do with a grant application or a paper being scrutinized by a third party—who is neither the author nor the person making a judgement on whether a grant should be given or a paper published. But who is a peer? Somebody doing exactly the same kind of research (in which case he or she is probably a direct competitor)? Somebody in the same discipline? Somebody who is an expert on methodology? And what is review? Somebody saying `The paper looks all right to me’, which is sadly what peer review sometimes seems to be. Or somebody pouring all over the paper, asking for raw data, repeating analyses, checking all the references, and making detailed suggestions for improvement? Such a review is vanishingly rare.

            What is clear is that the forms of peer review are protean. Probably the systems of every journal and every grant giving body are different in at least some detail; and some systems are very different. There may even be some journals using the following classic system. The editor looks at the title of the paper and sends it to two friends whom the editor thinks know something about the subject. If both advise publication the editor sends it to the printers. If both advise against publication the editor rejects the paper. If the reviewers disagree the editor sends it to a third reviewer and does whatever he or she advises. This pastiche—which is not far from systems I have seen used—is little better than tossing a coin, because the level of agreement between reviewers on whether a paper should be published is little better than you’d expect by chance.1

            That is why Robbie Fox, the great 20th century editor of the Lancet, who was no admirer of peer review, wondered whether anybody would notice if he were to swap the piles marked `publish’ and `reject’. He also joked that the Lancet had a system of throwing a pile of papers down the stairs and publishing those that reached the bottom. When I was editor of the BMJ I was challenged by two of the cleverest researchers in Britain to publish an issue of the journal comprised only of papers that had failed peer review and see if anybody noticed. I wrote back `How do you know I haven’t already done it?'”

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “You just have to be willing to trust real scientific sources.”
          “trust” ….. trust ……… hmmmmmm …..
          a :care, custody the child committed to her trust
          b (1) :a charge or duty imposed in FAITH or confidence or as a condition of some relationship (2) :something committed or entrusted to one to be used or cared for in the interest of another
          trust Synonyms – confidence, credence, FAITH, stock
          what is the ROOT of that word ……
          Origin and Etymology of trust
          Middle English, probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse traust trust; akin to Old English trēowe FAITHFUL —
          but wait … you do not believe in FAITH …. right ……. so WHY are you invoking FAITH …….

          merriam-webster;com/dictionary/trust

          • Garbage Adams

            BRILLIANT tap dancing, just brilliant.

            However, I prefer to go with the PRIMARY definition, the one you conveniently chose to omit, which is “firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something.”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            trust is faith ……… it is undeniable …….. but i am “tap dancing” ….. RIIIIIGHT!!!!!

          • Garbage Adams

            Trust isn’t always faith. And certainly not in the way I intended it in my sentence.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah … it is …….

          • Garbage Adams

            Not according to the very dictionary definition you JUST provided. And you MUST have known since you omitted one of the definitions, in fact you left out the MAIN definition. You’re hardly even trying, Amos.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            to trust is to have faith ……… it cannot be seen as anything else …. and you have faith is science ……..

          • Garbage Adams

            Why did you omit the main definition on purpose?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            because ….. 1. they did not apply …. 2. there is NO MAIN definition …. the definitions are not in ANY PARTICULAR order ….. and 3. you do the EXACT SAME THING TO SCRIPTURE every time you quote it ……. and whats good for the goose is good for the gander ….. and if you are going to have a CONSISTENT standard …. then APPLY IT ……… and quit acting like it does not apply …. when it CLEARLY is part of the definition ………

          • Garbage Adams

            There IS a main definition. Call up the word in any online dictionary, and the first definition is the one you ELECTED not to mention here.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … there is no order or “main definition” …. the one that applies is determined by CONTEXT …. that is how ENGLISH works ……. FAIL ……….

          • Garbage Adams

            Even if you want to believe that, you took one of the primary definitions listed in the list of definitions out completely. That is dishonest.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the ROOT of the word is not altered … it is FAITH ……..

          • D. Witzell

            Why are you quibbling about words? Trust and faith are synonymous. Faith does have a narrower application, but that application is derived from the broader definition. Based on the definition you posted for trust, which is a good one, and the broad definition of faith that I posted, I would say that trust actually means “strong faith.”

          • Garbage Adams

            Faith has multiple definitions. I meant it one way, Amos is insisting that I meant it his way without even knowing it. He’s incorrect.

          • D. Witzell

            I read the posts, but I do not see how the two of you were using it differently. Perhaps because of other posts in between or perhaps miscommunication between you. Please clarify.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there is no “main definition” …. they are ALL definitions …. there are different APPLICATIONS of the definitions applied IN CONTEXT ….. but you want to ignore what they say ……….

          • Garbage Adams

            I used the definition I meant. The others are irrelevant at that point. I know which one I meant.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are still appealing to the “trust” definition and its ROOT is FAITH and FAITHFUL ……..

          • D. Witzell

            Re TRUST: “firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something.”

            Sounds like faith to me.

            FAITH
            1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
            “this restores one’s faith in politicians”
            synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction

            2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
            synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine

          • Garbage Adams

            Definition 2 invokes God and religion. Definition 1 does not.

          • D. Witzell

            So? My focus was on definition 1. I only included definition 2, so that you wouldn’t be able to obscure the point by levelling the same accusation of being dishonestly selective about the definition that you levelled at Amos

    • Cady555

      Exactly. Tens of thousands of trans people have transitioned and are living happy and productive lives. But they ignore all of them and factual information to focus on the one anecdotal example that fits their preconceived notions.

      • Garbage Adams

        It reminds me of a story I read once, can’t remember if it was here or not, where there was a story of a “throuple” (threesome) living together. I defy anyone to find a “throuple” living anywhere near them. Slippery slope logic – we aren’t going to suddenly see a million people wanting to live as a “throuple”, or marry their dogs, or any of that.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        more like tens and tens ……….. and the “fact” is …. most of them will still attempt suicide at the same or GREATER rate ….. so it has accomplished nothing but a continued denial of the truth ………..

      • Jerome Horwitz

        Tens of thousands of trans people have transitioned and are living happy and productive lives.

        No, they aren’t.

        • Cady555

          You know this how?

          Any unhappiness comes from having to deal with hate and contempt from “loving” christians. Somehow, being called an abomination has a negative impact on a person. Go figure.

          Trans people lucky enough to have parents and a community who accept them thrive.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Have a seat. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Great article to show how we are all made up of three persons; mind, body and spirit. And all three need to be in sync.

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  • peanut butter

    Reality beats science EVERY time.