UK Couple to Take Legal Action Against Church of England School After Male Student Allowed to Wear Dress

ISLE OF WIGHT — A couple in the United Kingdom has pulled their son out of school and plans to file a legal challenge after it was suggested that they might be “transphobic” for expressing concern that a boy was permitted to present himself as a girl on-and-off at the Church of England school their son attended.

“A Church of England school, especially, should hold to the biblical teaching that God created us as men and women, and that marriage is between a man and a woman, for life,” Nigel Rowe told Christian Concern, a legal group that is now representing the family. “The school should have consulted with all parents and taken their views into account, not just the views of one particular child’s parents.”

Nigel and his wife Sally explained that their six-year-old son came home confused after seeing another boy wearing boys’ clothes to school on some days and girls’ clothes on other days. The name of the school has not been disclosed.

“Unsurprisingly, we raised our concerns with the school when our son came from school saying he was confused as to why and how a boy was now sometimes a girl,” Rowe outlined. “The suggestion that gender is fluid conflicts sharply with our Christian beliefs as a family.”

The couple spoke to the head teacher, but the Rowes were told that teachers have accept how a child wants to identify or they could lose their job. The Rowes also sent a letter to outline their questions and concerns, and contacted the Diocese of Portsmouth, as well as the Church of England’s chief education officer.

However, the response from the school asserted that an “inability to believe a transgender person is actually a ‘real’ female or male” and “the refusal acknowledge a transgendered person’s true gender, e.g. by failing to use their adopted name or using gender-inappropriate pronouns” is “transphobic behavior.”

Jeff Williams, director of education for the Diocese of Portsmouth, also outlined in a statement, “Church of England schools are inclusive environments where pupils learn to respect diversity of all kinds. Like any other state school, our schools comply with the legal requirements of the Equalities Act 2010. Among other things, this requires schools to accept the wishes of children and their families with regard to gender identity. It would be unlawful for any of our schools to do otherwise.”

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“Because our schools have a Christian ethos, we also believe that children of all faiths and those with none should all feel equally welcomed, valued and nurtured as children of God within our learning communities,” he said.

The couple was taken aback by the response they received.

“I am shocked by the suggestion, especially from a church school, that just because we question the notion that a six-year-old boy can really become a girl, we could be ‘transphobic,'” Rowe stated. “I cannot contemplate my six-year-old son being disciplined and stigmatised as a bully simply because he believes that another six-year old born as a boy, is actually a boy.”

The Rowes deny being transphobic, but rather desire to be biblical and God-honoring.

“As Christians, we believe that all people are valued and loved by God. But we also believe in the goodness of God’s created pattern of male and female. We certainly don’t have an irrational fear of those who are suffering from Gender Identity Disorder. In fact, we want to see them get the proper help that they need,” Rowe said.

The couple consequently decided to remove their child from school, and now also plans to file a legal challenge. The Rowes believe that the school is not considering the emotional and psychological effects that such an inculcation can cause long-term, in addition to the confusion that has already resulted.

“In basic terms, we believe it is wrong to encourage very young and vulnerable children to embrace the false promise of ‘transgenderism,” Nigel outlined. “As Christians, we believe that Gender Identity Disorder is something that needs to be addressed with love and compassion. But we cannot have a new ideology imposed on the primary school classroom. It is unfair both to the children in question, and other pupils and their families.”

The Rowes had pulled their eldest son, now eight, out of school two years prior due to the exact same situation. They now home school both boys.


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  • This style 10/6

    “As Christians, we believe that all people are valued and loved by God.”

    Unless, of course, it is a little boy wearing a dress or any other thing we don’t like.

    • Joseph Robert Dunfe

      God’s word has some harsh things to say about transgenderism.

      And, Jesus had some harsh words for those who would lead a little one into sin, Matt 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”

      • This style 10/6

        Gender is not necessarily immutable and “god’s word” knows nothing of biology.

        • bowie1

          Oh, I’m sure they knew there were boys and there were girls…it all part of nature! God created them male and female since the beginning of creation.

          • This style 10/6

            Sex is not immutable. Some folk are attracted to their own sex, some both and some have mkxed sexual characteristics. The bible is irrelevant in this matter.

            “God” created nothing, especially not life on earth. I imagine you deny evolution.

          • bowie1

            What people are – male and female – and how they act are two different things. But unfortunately many give into unnatural urges and bring many troubles upon themselves.

          • This style 10/6

            There are no “unnatural” urges. Only the prohibitions in an outdated text.

          • bowie1

            Maybe they are there for our safety from STD’s for instance unless of course they don’t mind being at death’s door a lot sooner in their life.

          • This style 10/6

            Anyone can get an STD. I am beginning to suspect that you are a homophobe.

          • bowie1

            No, just realistic. But I do know someone who is a lesbian whom I have never met in person just at a distance, so I may even be more concerned about their health.

          • This style 10/6

            You know someone you have only ever seen at a distance and you can judge their health! Really!

            The premier of Ontario is a married lesbian and she looks remarkably healthy. See, I can do it too.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but you cannot recognize the disease of her mind …. it is quite apparent ………

          • This style 10/6

            She seems pretty coherent to me but then I don’t have your insight into a person I have never met.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “She seems pretty coherent to me” “I don’t have your insight into a person”

            and yet diseased ………. again …. do not have to know anyone to diagnose their issues that are glaringly apparent ……. but your blindness to it is also apparent …. and YOU do not even recognize it about YOURSELF and i would venture you know yourself better than anyone ………

          • This style 10/6

            I guess you don’t even know this woman’s name yet you can diagnose a disease. Why don’t you use your talents for the early diagnosis of cancer?

            I have managed to make it so far even though, by your assessment over the internet, I have a disease. Carry on like this and you will be getting a Nobel prize in medicine.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they say they can use computer AI to determine if a person is “homosexual” ….. how well do you think the computer “knows” them from anything OTHER THAN an image ………

          • This style 10/6

            Now you have descended into the realms of fantasy and nonsense.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            AI Can Tell If You’re Gay: Artificial Intelligence Predicts Sexuality …
            newsweek
            5 days ago … Computers detected gay people from photos of faces with up to 91 … of a heterosexual man and a homosexual man in 81 percent of cases.

            Can a computer tell if you’re GAY? Artificial intelligence … – Daily Mail
            dailymail
            7 Sep 2017 … Artificial intelligence system guesses your sexuality with 91% accuracy …. were most likely to be gay, nine out of ten were actually homosexual.

            Stanford University AI system can ‘tell if you’re gay’ | Daily Mail Online
            dailymail
            2 days ago … This is the controversial AI computer program that researchers claim can … On left are faces ‘least likely’ to be homosexual, and center are …

          • This style 10/6

            Daily Mail! That destroys any credibility your comment may have, right there.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and newsweek and STANFORD …. right ……….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            guess it destroys DHS and their FUNDING it ……………..

            Homeland Security testing mind-reading terrorist ‘pre-crime …
            computerworld
            1 Jun 2011 … Homeland Security testing mind-reading terrorist ‘pre-crime’ detectors … Aren’t terrorists trained to avoid detection and possibly beat lie …

            Terrorist or pedophile? This start-up says it can out secrets by …
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            24 May 2016 … Faception said it’s already signed a contract with a homeland security agency to help identify terrorists. The company said its technology also …

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            28 Jan 2016 … Terrorism-Centric Behavior Recognition and Adversarial Threat Forecasting … of Defense, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, among others. … Ph.D. in Electrical and Computer Engineering at the University of Oklahoma.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            maybe you need to spend more of your time catching up on the SCIENCE that you seem so enamored with promoting ……

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I have managed to make it so far even though, by your assessment over the internet, I have a disease.”

            you have a SPIRITUAL disease ….. but it is the same disease suffered by all of mankind ….. no great shakes to state it ………

          • This style 10/6

            Pretty well everything you write is rubbish.

          • bowie1

            Actually she is a distant relative related to a cousin.

          • This style 10/6

            Who is?

          • bowie1

            If she is careful on what type of relationship she has and not engage in dangerous sexual practices then she could remain healthy. But some diseases don’t show symptoms for many years.

          • This style 10/6

            Maybe someone can explain to me how lesbians are any more exposed to STDs than heterosexuals.

            I can see the extra risk in anal sex (which not all gays engage in while a certain percentage of heterosexuals do) particularly when not using a condom.

            Multiple sexual partners is a risk but this is not confined to gays.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “There are no “unnatural” urges.”

            right … i have a natural urge to murder ….. so its all good ……….

          • RWH

            According to this story, the only one “bringing troubles upon themselves” is the mother who is complaining. If this is the policy of the diocese, the mother’s fight is with them, and the diocese will politely show her the door. Both the mother and her children are going to find people who don’t conform. The best way to handle this is to teach one’s children that a lot of people have different values that we don’t share, and as long as they are not hurting anyone, let them be. The worst thing that the mother can teach her children is that they have the right to force them to be just like them. When I lived down south, my friends who were nuns would tell me how they were harassed on the streets because they were “different.”

          • bowie1

            Children can still be taught according to scriptures so at least they have a defense when they grow up. They might wander from the truth but generally if the parents follow the way they expect their kids to then the kids will do that also is what I have observed.

      • Tonya Elise

        John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
        6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
        the Father, but by me.
        *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
        nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
        I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
        Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
        since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
        on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
        Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
        7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
        2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
        and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
        3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
        but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?NOT A MENTAL PROBLEM OR ISSUE its more of a BIO / Genetic one.
        The Unintelligent Society is clueless and HATE filled to something
        they have no knowledge and lack the education to what the real
        issue is. I know if i am a man i have Higher the normal Estrogen
        lvls. Both men and women have estrogen and testosterone. DNA Lies
        and you can not base Gender on DNA. ________________________________
        The Transgender Brain development
        How does the M to F Transgender?
        Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
        female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
        testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
        insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
        However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
        Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
        remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
        masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
        The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
        was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
        this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
        age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
        You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual). Though they too have some of the same traits.
        Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.*This may help F to M trans people too.

        • cadcoke5

          You quoted Matt 7:1-3, but you stopped before the story was finished. Check out verse 5.

          Gender has long been understood, and relates directly to reproductive organs. If someone has testicles, even if his genitals are not as big as he likes, or even if they are not fully formed, is still male. Any effort to redefine it is simply fraud. You describe how we develop in the womb, and then assert that males start out female. Not so. I realize that some like to describe the development using those terms, but it simply is not so. A male, early in development, is simply a male early in development. As an example from later in development, a prepubescent boy has body hair that is more like a woman, but that does not cause him to actually be female before puberty

          Regarding those who say they knew they were the opposite gender from young childhood. Well, there are those who feel they are heavier than they really are, from young childhood. I don’t need to know an exact cause to still say it is wrong for them to thing that. But, transgenderism involves a person’s behavior towards other people, and when God’s word spells out that this is wrong, then it is wrong.

          Regarding salvation; Of course, if you have repented of your sings, and placed your faith in Jesus for salvation, you are saved. I realize I cannot judge your eternal destination, as only God has that privileged and truly knows your heart. However, the church is repeatedly commanded to judge its membership, and to call the public to repentance and faith in Jesus. Seeking to behave or dress like the opposite gender is specifically one of those things that should properly be judged.

          Jesus even somewhat addresses the topic, in Matt 19:12, when he refers to eunuchs that were that way from the womb. But, a eunuch is still male. Jesus didn’t even take the opportunity when he mentioned them, that he was going to resend the laws he gave to Israel in the Old Testament.

          Scripture has nothing positive to say about those who say they are a different gender than what their body is. Rather, it gives repeated judgement against what they want to do.

          If you reject the clear teaching of His word, and wish to live by a different moral standard, then you are properly judged to be unqualified for membership in any true church.

    • Tonya Elise

      NOT A MENTAL PROBLEM OR ISSUE its more of a BIO / Genetic one.
      The Unintelligent Society is clueless and HATE filled to something
      they have no knowledge and lack the education to what the real
      issue is. I know if i am a man i have Higher the normal Estrogen
      lvls. Both men and women have estrogen and testosterone. DNA Lies
      and you can not base Gender on DNA. ________________________________
      The Transgender Brain development
      How does the M to F Transgender?
      Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
      female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
      testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
      insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
      However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
      Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
      remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
      masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
      The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
      was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
      this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
      age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
      You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual). Though they too have some of the same traits.
      Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.*This may help F to M trans people too. God does GOD as you (So-called Christians) say explain a Intersexual or Hermaphrodite??? John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
      the Father, but by me.
      *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
      nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
      I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
      Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
      since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
      on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
      Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
      7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
      and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
      but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

  • RWH

    Basically, this boils down to “my religious rights trump your religious rights.” In other words, she doesn’t have a leg to stand on. She’s going to encounter the same problem in any other school administered by the Anglican diocese.

  • InTheChurch

    This school is no longer a christian school but a secular school. There is no God in that school and in the Church of England. You did right by taking your child out. Encourage other real Christians to do the same.

  • Michael C

    “I am shocked by the suggestion, especially from a church school, that just because we question the notion that a six-year-old boy can really become a girl, we could be ‘transphobic,’”

    No, Nigel and Sally, you are transphobic because you believe that you should have control over what a child (who is not yours) wears.

    • Joseph Robert Dunfe

      Michael C, seeing your other posts show that you are both God-phobic and fear what has been the fact of gender for all of human existence.

    • NCOriolesFan

      They are merely defending the appropriateness of clothing to the human sexes.

      • Michael C

        I thought parents had rights. I guess I was wrong.

        • This style 10/6

          They have rights to their own children. This pair wants to dictate what some other person’s kid wears.

          To take their kid out of school and home school is their right and this they have done.

        • Cady555

          No person, parent or otherwise, has the right to force other people’s children to conform themselves to their prejudices.

    • Beamer

      For me as a mother, if my child came home upset about this, it would not be that I was transphobic that I would talk to the school.
      My child’s mental condition is just as important as the transchild. There should have been an announcement to the parents and they should have had a discussion with the class that the boy is in to help with understanding instead of just letting the child change back and forth without addressing it. It’s the schools fault for not addressing the situation before any child is affected in any way.
      As much as the Christians here do not agree, by not preparing the children in some way, they can do more damage than good; this is the kind of thing that creates people who will bully the transchildren because of their ‘difference’.
      It was foolish of the school not to forewarn the parents in the article just on the fact that their older boy was taken out of school for the same reason 4 years earlier. You’d think that because of that, they would have contacted these parents in the least, but I think every parent should be informed so they can work with their children to avoid bullying, since it does not sound like the school is handling that.

      • Cady555

        I would tell my child to mind their own business. I would tell them that their school mate makes their own decisions about what to wear and that’s okay. This would not impact my child’s “mental condition” in the least.

        It really isn’t difficult once you figure out that other people exist on this planet who do not have to conform themselves to your prejudices or the edicts of your religion.

        • Beamer

          You know what, you don’t know me in any way and have no right to call me names.
          That is not how to approach the children about this, not unless you are planning on dealing with the bullying in the future. If it is not dealt with at a child’s level for the children the problems could be worse than just going home crying every time Johnny comes to school as Joanne.
          or how about they asked about male and female stuff before and this makes no sense to them. do you think “mind your own business” will do a damn thing to teach these kids tolerance?

          I know about children and the problems they have when they are young, do you? Have you worked closely with children and helped them through some of those problems over a wide span of years? Do you have 3 gifted children that went through the special classes because they were not able to cope in a regular program as they did not go fast enough? Have you had people come and ask you to help them with their children? Well I have each and every one of those, so don’t tell me that I am trying to do anything but help those children make a situation be more normal instead of too hard for them to cope with. Some children just are not so great at this kind of thing yet. It is fairly new to the world and not everyone has had an experience with transgenders yet.
          Excuse me, I have not ever asked anyone to do either of those things. I told you when we posted about evolution that you have your view and you are welcome to it but don’t demean my own just because you don’t understand/believe it. That does not in ANY way ask anyone to conform to my beliefs. And you know nothing about whether I am prejudice or not.
          You have more nerve that the Christians that worship a hateful God do. I am quite aware that there are awful hypocritical Christians that do believe the way you accuse me of, but I am not one of those Christians.
          I think you owe me an apology.
          You look at my posts (public) and you will see that I am not prejudice in any way.
          You have no reason to even accuse me because nothing I said was said to make anyone conform to what I said. Not one thing. They were clearly about MY belief and I never asked you or anyone else to even consider my religion over what they want to believe. I suggest you read all of my posts and realize that you just attacked someone who did not deserve to be attacked.
          Then perhaps you will apologize for your misunderstanding.

  • Reason2012

    “the refusal acknowledge a transgendered person’s true gender, e.g. by failing to use their adopted name or using gender-inappropriate pronouns” is “transphobic behavior.”

    No, these administrators are Christphobic and normalphobic. Time to start labeling them as having phobias since that’s the ONLY response they can ever bring to bear – and since in their eyes that argument works, time to start pointing out their hate of Christ and Christian, their Christpobia, and their hate of normalcy.

    • Tonya Elise

      Not a Government party issue but a Human rights issue.
      ALL people have BOTH Estrogen and Testosterone what does
      that make you? Is the levels in any one person that makes
      a Gender. MORALS you say? Love and Happiness in all of there lives.
      Trans-people are NOT the mentally ill as most would like to think
      by people that are HATE FILLED and no as intelligent or Educated.
      The uneducated HATE Everything the can not comprehend or have the
      intelligence to understand it. Trans-people are not the baby Rapist,
      or the Wife/Spouse ABUSERS , They are Not womanizers like men or the
      Emasculating Feminist. LGBT is not taking Hetero Rights they just want
      to be added to have the same rights and protections and rights the Every
      American Deserves. IT IS NOT DNA that makes a Gender. it is the Hormones
      in the person before that were born. So, it is not a Mental issue as well.
      .. May have a have the worst relationship or alone the rest of your
      HATE FILLED life. Religion : Gender ID is not a Sin. “Judge not lest ye be
      Judged” and “Let those without SIN cast the first stone”.
      Any true Christian would know that. . The way you combat Hate is with love.
      The LGBT have not ruined anything
      AND not into thing about so-called Marriage. Modern Marriage is just a Governemt
      paper the makes you pay a fee to get one. then pay again to divorce. And you
      get part of your income back when you pay Taxes yet another government the to do with Marriage.
      So , tall me again what is “marriage”. i think you locic is flawed. By the way i am a Christian. and you (so-called Christians) Have so much HATE ! Hate is a Blessing of Satan.. Love is the Blessings of God. Who is you master now???

      • Reason2012

        If a person admits to breaking the law, it’s not hate to point out the consequences they’ll be facing when the law catches up to them, that’s love. You want them to have forgiveness as well.

        Hate is convincing people God is suddenly fine with sinful behaviors, deceiving others into being cast into_hell.

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination …”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Even Jesus points out marriage is a man and a woman.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • Tonya Elise

      NOT A MENTAL PROBLEM OR ISSUE its more of a BIO / Genetic one.
      The Unintelligent Society is clueless and HATE filled to something
      they have no knowledge and lack the education to what the real
      issue is. I know if i am a man i have Higher the normal Estrogen
      lvls. Both men and women have estrogen and testosterone. DNA Lies
      and you can not base Gender on DNA. ________________________________
      The Transgender Brain development
      How does the M to F Transgender?
      Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
      female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
      testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
      insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
      However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
      Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
      remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
      masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
      The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
      was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
      this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
      age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
      You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual). Though they too have some of the same traits.
      Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.*This may help F to M trans people too.

      HOW to You explain a a Hermaphrodite???? This is Genetic. So,where is you prove? ( so-called Christians) filled with HATE. Hate is Satan’s Blessing, you proclaim . Love is God’s blessing, Who do you follow now? Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
      nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
      I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
      Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
      since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
      on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
      Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
      7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
      and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
      but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
      __

      • Reason2012

        I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.

        God did not create us to sin against Him and claim He no longer cares about us sinning – huge difference. He calls us to turn away from our sin and turn back towards Him.

        Judge not lest ye be judged.

        If someone admits to running red lights, you’re not judging them to point out the consequences they will face when the law catches up with them, it’s called doing them a favor and risking their hate so they can avoid the consequences.

        The Trans-gender people have been aroundsince before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved.

        Sinners have been around since before Jesus was on Earth – doesn’t change the fact that said behaviors are sin and that judgment is coming for all of it. A person who tries to claim God is fine with sin “xyz” when His Word says otherwise need to think again. Those who truly care about them are those who risk their hate to warn them. Those who hate them convince them God is fine with it and don’t worry: keep doing those things.

  • Jack-b-Quicker

    What does God have to say? Wait. That’s me trying to use my religion to trump your own. Ok, then, what does science have to say? Wait. We only turn to that when it tells us what we want to hear. So, I guess now we go by opinions. Wait. Unless your opinion goes against the trend. Real good, world. You’ve contradicted yourselves into a corner or complacency and silence.

  • NCOriolesFan

    Transphobic – a new word for the gay lexicon to proclaim their hatred of normal sexuality and the opposition to their deviant lifestyle.

    • Tonya Elise

      Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
      nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
      I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
      Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
      since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
      on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
      Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
      7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
      and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
      but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
      __ I am a Christian and i am Gender-queer or Gender Non-binary . I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
      Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
      since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
      on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
      Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
      7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
      and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
      but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
      __ Hate is of Satan. God is of love. Who is your master now? Forgive those who trespass against You. Gender and gender ID is NOT a Sin. All people were Born a Sinner. Yes so-called Christians are Sinners too but you HATE proves something that is against God.

      • Tonya Elise

        NOT A MENTAL PROBLEM OR ISSUE its more of a BIO / Genetic one.
        The Unintelligent Society is clueless and HATE filled to something
        they have no knowledge and lack the education to what the real
        issue is. I know if i am a man i have Higher the normal Estrogen
        lvls. Both men and women have estrogen and testosterone. DNA Lies
        and you can not base Gender on DNA. ________________________________
        The Transgender Brain development
        How does the M to F Transgender?
        Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
        female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
        testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
        insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
        However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
        Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
        remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
        masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
        The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
        was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
        this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
        age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
        You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual). Though they too have some of the same traits.
        Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.*This may help F to M trans people too.

        How do you explain someone born a Hermaphidite??? That is a Biologic too soo then
        the trans people as well. NOT mental Not DNA, It is Hormonal before they were born.

        • Beamer

          You know you will never penetrate these skulls with that information don’t you?
          Good luck with your attempt though.

      • NCOriolesFan

        Shut up heretic!

      • Beamer

        Give me a link that tells us that Transgenders were on the earth before Jesus. You have no way of knowing that unless you have actual written proof that someone confessed to feeling like transgender.
        Yeah, I’d like a link for that please.
        I’ll help you understand why people do not agree with transgenderism – God made male and female and did not tell us that there was anything created that was not of those genders. He told us so many other things, I expect Jesus at least would have pointed transgenders out in some way.
        Personally I don’t hate anyone, I see them as believers or unbelievers but I treat them basically the same. Jesus said to Love each other and also to Treat people the way you wish to be treated. That is the only way to truly be at peace in this world.
        I would appreciate it if you would not put all Christians in that basket please. A big majority don’t like to speak out at all, so you are most aware of the ones that are not so quiet.
        I recommend you try to accept that other people’s views will often be against your own, as it is with anyone. Getting as upset as you sound is only going to be against you. It isn’t worth it. The people who treat you badly are not worth it. You are worth more than those people are and should not even let yourself notice people like those.
        Love God, Love everyone the way Jesus loves us, and be the best and brightest light for him. It doesn’t matter what these people say or think, it only matters what God thinks. And he wants you to stand up for our faith when it is necessary, but sometimes like on a comment board, it is better for us to stand back and just brush off their ugly remarks and look to God for his love and approval, instead of man.
        God bless!

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    NO GIRLS ALLOWED! M2F TRANS ACTIVISTS BEAT UP WOMAN AT MEETING

    (for the reality challenged.. that means a MAN beat a WOMAN)

    “tolerance” on display ….. in the UK …. there is no tolerance EVEN for the supposed “tolerant” ….. ACCEPTANCE WITHOUT EXCEPTION is the battle cry ……. church … they are coming for you …. the “tolerant” left TOTALITARIANS and sexually depraved have us in their sites ……….

    • The deviant alt-left hates real women.
      There was no need for four men to viciously beat a 61 year-old-woman funtil her skin turned red and purple for clarifying the difference between genetic women and those who want to be women.

      …we hasten the return of the Lord.

  • Tonya Elise

    Not a Government party issue but a Human rights issue.
    ALL people have BOTH Estrogen and Testosterone what does
    that make you? Is the levels in any one person that makes
    a Gender. MORALS you say? Love and Happiness in all of there lives.
    Trans-people are NOT the mentally ill as most would like to think
    by people that are HATE FILLED and no as intelligent or Educated.
    The uneducated HATE Everything the can not comprehend or have the
    intelligence to understand it. Trans-people are not the baby Rapist,
    or the Wife/Spouse ABUSERS , They are Not womanizers like men or the
    Emasculating Feminist. LGBT is not taking Hetero Rights they just want
    to be added to have the same rights and protections and rights the Every
    American Deserves. IT IS NOT DNA that makes a Gender. it is the Hormones
    in the person before that were born. So, it is not a Mental issue as well.
    .. May have a have the worst relationship or alone the rest of your
    HATE FILLED life. Religion : Gender ID is not a Sin. “Judge not lest ye be
    Judged” and “Let those without SIN cast the first stone”.
    Any true Christian would know that. . The way you combat Hate is with love.
    The LGBT have not ruined anything
    AND not into thing about so-called Marriage. Modern Marriage is just a Governemt
    paper the makes you pay a fee to get one. then pay again to divorce. And you
    get part of your income back when you pay Taxes yet another government the to do with Marriage.
    So , tall me again what is “marriage”. i think you logic is flawed.

    • Tonya Elise

      NOT A MENTAL PROBLEM OR ISSUE its more of a BIO / Genetic one.
      The Unintelligent Society is clueless and HATE filled to something
      they have no knowledge and lack the education to what the real
      issue is. I know if i am a man i have Higher the normal Estrogen
      lvls. Both men and women have estrogen and testosterone. DNA Lies
      and you can not base Gender on DNA. ________________________________
      The Transgender Brain development
      How does the M to F Transgender?
      Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
      female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
      testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
      insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
      However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
      Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
      remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
      masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
      The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
      was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
      this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
      age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
      You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual). Though they too have some of the same traits.
      Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.*This may help F to M trans people too.

      How do you explain someone born a Hermaphidite??? That is a Biologic too soo then
      the trans people as well. NOT mental Not DNA, It is Hormonal before ththey were born.

      • Tonya Elise

        alatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
        nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
        I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
        Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
        since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
        on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
        Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
        7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
        2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
        and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
        3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
        but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
        __