‘Pope Francis’ Claims Angel’s Greeting to Mary as Being ‘Full of Grace’ Meant She Was Without Sin

ROME — In one of the feasts and celebrations marked on the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar leading up to Christmas, Catholics around the world observed the Feast of Immaculate Conception on Friday, a day in which those who follow the religion commemorate their belief that Mary was conceived in her mother Anne’s womb without original sin.

Jorge Bergoglio, also known as Pope Francis, delivered an Angelus address, during which he claimed that the angel Gabriel’s reference to Mary as being “full of grace” meant that there was no sin in her. Most Bible translations use the phrase “highly favored,” while a few use “full of grace.”

Through this wording, Gabriel “reveals the new name which God has given her and which befits her more than the one given by her parents,” Bergoglio asserted, according to a report by Vatican Radio.

He said that being “full of grace” meant that “Mary [was] full of the presence of God.”

“And if she is entirely pervaded by God, there is no place in her for sin,” Bergoglio claimed. “This is extraordinary, because unfortunately the whole world is contaminated by evil.”

“She is the only ‘always green oasis’ of humanity, the only uncontaminated one, created immaculate so that she could welcome fully, with her ‘yes,’ God who was coming into the world,” he continued, echoing the 163-year-old doctrine.

An article penned by Dave Armstrong in April for the National Catholic Register entitled “Scripture, Through an Angel, Reveals That Mary Was Sinless” outlines that “Catholics believe that God gave [Mary] the grace at her conception so as to avoid the original sin which she inevitably would have inherited, being human, but for God’s preventive grace, which saved her from falling into the pit of sin by avoidance rather than rescue after she had fallen in.”

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And because Mary had no sin, she did not age by it, Bergoglio claimed. As previously reported, Roman Catholics also believe that Mary did not die, but was assumed into Heaven, both body and soul. The “Feast of Assumption” is observed every August by adherents to the religion.

The figure of Mary atop the Column of Immaculate Conception

Bergoglio later visited Rome’s Piazza de Spagna, where he presented a prayer to Mary before a sculpture that was commissioned in 1857 by Pius IX. The figure, which rests atop the lofty Column of Immaculate Conception, was created by Giuseppe Obici, and shows Mary stomping the head of a serpent.

“Immaculate Mother, for the fifth time I come to your feet as bishop of Rome to pay you homage on behalf of all the inhabitants of this city,” Bergoglio prayed. “We want to thank you for the constant care with which you accompany us on our journey. … Thank you, because as soon as we turn our thoughts or a fleeting glance towards you, or recite a quick Hail Mary, we feel your maternal presence, tender and strong.”

He referenced Alphonse Ratisbonne, who, according to Catholic legend, saw a vision of Mary in 1842 and converted from atheism. Bergoglio visited the Church of St. Andrew on Friday, where Mary is stated to have appeared to Ratisbonne.

“You revealed yourself to him as a mother of grace and mercy. Grant that we too, especially in times of trial and temptation, may fix our gaze on your open hands, hands that allow the Lord’s graces to fall upon the earth,” Bergoglio stated.

“[L]et us place our hand in yours and allow ourselves to be led back to Jesus, our Brother and Savior, and to our Heavenly Father, who never tires of waiting for us and forgiving us when we return to Him,” he concluded. “Thank you, mother, for always listening to us! Bless the Church that is in Rome. Bless this city and the whole world. Amen.”

As previously reported, the concept of the immaculate conception was declared by Pope Pius IX on December 8, 1854, who issued a proclamation ex cathedra claiming that it had been revealed to him by God that Mary was conceived without sin.

“We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the blessed virgin Mary, at the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace of the Omnipotent God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of mankind, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and therefore should firmly and constantly be believed by all the faithful,” he said.

While many Catholics observe the feast day by attending mass, evangelicals believe that the doctrine is unbiblical and takes the focus off Christ.

Gendron

“To suggest that Mary was conceived without sin because she was greeted as a ‘favored one’ is absurd and nonsensical,” Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries told Christian News Network.

“As in many religious traditions that deny or oppose God’s word, the immaculate conception of Mary denies the sinfulness of all humanity,” he stated. “It all begins with Adam who was our federal head and represented all of humanity. When he sinned, ‘sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned’ (Rom. 5:12). His one sin resulted in condemnation to all men, including Mary (Rom. 5:18). Through his one act of disobedience, his descendants, including Mary, were made sinners (Rom. 5:19).”

Gendron noted that the doctrine of “immaculate conception” has “spawned other heresies about Mary” as well, and has distorted the true Mary of the Scriptures.

“In 1950, the pope declared Mary’s body was assumed into Heaven because she lived a sinless life,” he outlined. “The Catechism teaches that Mary was sinless and continues to bring us the gifts of salvation. It teaches that she was the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race and she will deliver souls from death. She is said to be co-mediator with Jesus in Heaven, which makes her an another way to approach God. Catholics refer to her as the Mother of God and she bestows aid and comfort to the people of the world.”

But “Mary is no more the mother of God than Joseph is the father of Jesus,” Gendron said.

He contrasted the Mary of the Roman Catholic religion with the one mentioned at times in the New Testament.

“Scripture has very little to say about Mary. When she appears with the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of worship or even a leader in the early Church,” Gendron noted. “There are no occasions of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her or venerating her. She is never mentioned in any presentation of the gospel.”

“Jesus Christ alone is our Redeemer, Deliverer, Mediator and Advocate. He alone is to be worshiped, adored, honored and praised now and throughout all eternity!” he declared.

Being a former Roman Catholic of 30 years, Gendron expressed his desire that Catholics would examine every papal doctrine in light of Scripture and repent of what he called Mariolatry, or placing Mary on too high a pedestal, making an idol of her.

“God’s word exposes the many errors of the Catholic religion,” he said. “As the federal head and representative of all humans, Adam’s act of sin was considered by God to be the act of all people and his penalty of his sin was judicially made the penalty for all. Paul explains it this way: When Adam sinned, ‘sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned’ (Rom. 5:12). His one sin resulted in condemnation to all men, including Mary (Rom. 5:18). Through his one act of disobedience, his descendants, including Mary, were made sinners (Rom. 5:19).”


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  • Darrel Slugoski

    ” full of grace” is the original translation .Luke 1:23,30-Elizabeth call her ” mother of my lord ” =God. See also Mt 1:23 , Lk 1:35 ,Gal 4:4 Mary was the mother of his hole being God and man . Mary says Elizabeth said L 1:42 ” most blessed among women ” and Mary herself says ” all generations will call me blessed .” Catholic Christians have been saying this for 2000 years. e also don’t worship her. we do believe she and other saints can pray for us .

    • ppp777

      Fool

      • Darrel Slugoski

        Jesus didn’t die on the cross ? He was both God and man on the cross . to deny this is heresy ( Nestorianism ). He wasn’t born of a woman ? He was God and man the moment he was conceived .God saved her and made her pure at birth .Lk 1:37 for with God nothing is impossible. Do you know anyone who was full of grace, blessed among all women and were all generations will call her blessed .By her saying yes to Gods will she has become the new Eve, her yes is part of the the human races redemption .If you can show me one document in 2000 years that requires me to worship Mary i would like to see it. Talking about pagan action make sure your wife does not ware a wedding ring or white on her wedding day … all pagan in origin . Scripture also We ask her to pray for us and bow in honor or respect . you must respect her too . We honor Mary and the bible is full of quotes we people bow down . Calling me a fool scripture says something about that too.

        • ppp777

          Again your a fool , keep your doctrine of demons to yourself .

          • Silas Jennings

            Nice way for you to treat your brothers and sisters in Christ.

          • ppp777

            Are they ?

          • Silas Jennings

            Well, they were Christians in name before your denomination even existed, so why don’t you tell me.

          • ppp777

            Really ? , you need to did a little more digging .

          • Silas Jennings

            No, that’s really not necessary. I know how to read a history book.

          • ppp777

            Do you now .

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Read the Early Church Fathers and then tell me that . See what truths they died for .

          • ppp777

            If they are anything like you they are a long time in hell now like anyone with that cult [ the catholic church ] .

      • Darrel Slugoski

        I feel sorry for you

        • ppp777

          If you don’t get out of that cult you will have eternity to feel sorry for yourself , get out before its too late .

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Read The Case For Catholicism or Catholicism and Fundamentalism . I am aware of every accusation historically and scripturelly against the Catholic Church . We have the best defense . The First Christian Bishops ( who were ordain by the Apostals themselves like Ignatius who was ordained by Peter ) also wrote and died for their faith,they are my witnesses .The two books are my challenge to you . I am sure you never considered that we have a good defense and I sure you have never read a Catholic Apologetic book or the Catechism of The Catholic Church , but you think you know what we teach . So I dare you to read them . At lest you wont be talking out of ignorance . To really know your enemy you must know how they defend themselves .

    • Off Shore

      “full of grace”
      Stephen was full of grace and power, so what does that make him?
      Acts 6:8

      God can’t die nor was He born of a woman, but Jesus Christ was.
      Mary, by her own admission was sinful and rejoiced about her Savior.
      Luke 1:46-47
      “And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”

      IAW with Luke and Leviticus Mary offered two birds one for a burnt offering and the other for a “SIN” offering IAW the Law of Moses. If she didn’t then Holy Scripture
      is lying and if she did she was a sinner as the rest of us are. If Holy Scripture is lying then all of this is for nothing.
      Luke 2:22-24, Leviticus 12:6-8

      Roman catholics consider Rev 12 to be about Mary, but if it is then she is a sinner as the pain of childbirth is the result of the curse of sin (the original sin)

      Genesis 3:16 Revelation 12:1-2

      You do worship her. Lets compare your pagan actions to Mary as compared to the actions the rest of us who worship the Real God.
      You pray to her
      We pray to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob through Jesus Christ alone

      You bow to her.
      We bow at the alter of grace before the Almighty God

      She is part of your redemption process.
      Jesus Christ is the only part of our redemption process

      She was sinless
      Jesus Christ was and has been the only person to live and die sinless

      You place a crown on her head
      We place the crown on Jesus Christ as He is the King of Kings and don’t need his mother’s permission or help to rule the universe
      .
      Keep telling yourself that you don’t worship her, but your actions prove different.

      • Just1Name

        Amen!

      • Darrel Slugoski

        Read Catholicism and Fundamentalism or the Case for Catholicism or the any of the Early Church Fathers ( who went to the deaths in defense of their beliefs ) Dare ya

    • Terri Horn

      giving more power to Mary than to Jesus Jesus died so we no longer needed an intercession (more reasons as he died for us). At the time of Jesus actual death the tapestry between The inner holy of holies and the outer Holy of holies. We can NOW go to God in person rather a priest which are fill of sin. Catholics happy going to confession by a priest who may have raped children? Revelation by john says only someone without sin can judge those with sin. If Mary was without sin God would have said so and if he did that for Mary he would have done it for Everyone and no his son would not have been needed to be killed. Plus God condemns those who pray to DEAD people including saints. This is in the bible. The apostles who knew Jesus personally NEVER said that nor did they ever accept it take confession from anyone as how can a sin filled person forgive sin when they also have sinned. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me. Constantine started Roman Catholic Church and REQUIRED all Romans to become Catholics even if they still worshipped idols. To make sure they did so Constantine had rituals from these idols incorporated as part of the church(read Catholic church history). Also the queen of Heaven is actually a form of worship to an idol. This is in Jeremiah and God punishes The Jewish people for doing so by leading them into slavery and destroying them in the promised land. Even if you say this is not true you would think the Roman Catholic church would NEVER USD this phrase since God showed his hatred by punishing his chosen people. Lots believe the Pope is even the false promise and I am tempted to agree especially since pope says all roads leadvto heaven (lies) including atheists ( lies) need more than church to be saved. need to agree Jesus is Lord and savior and ask him into heart BUT according to church if NOT baptized a person who accepted Christ but dies before baptized he goes to Hell.

      • Darrel Slugoski

        We don’t give more power to Mary . There is the same % of pedifiles in your own Church ” wolves in sheep’s clothing ” as any other organization factually and statistically . confession, is in the Bible . there was only one other time Breathed on man , when he created man and when he gave them authority to bind and loose sin.Jn 20:22 Jn 20:23. They said the same thing to Jesus” who but God can forgive sin” Mt 9:2-8, yet he breathed on the apostles and gave that authority to them. Paul calls it the ministry of reconciliation 2Cor 5:17-22 Read all the early Christian writers/Bishops who died for their faith before Constantine and see if they were Baptists, lutherans……………or were they Catholics in their interpretation of scripture . There are 550000 Christian denominations with each one claiming to have the right interpretation of scripture and when someone disagrees they start a new church . We don’t worship idols . God commanded that images of angles be put on the arc , a serpent be fashioned for the tribes to be looked upon for healing, animals to be carved in the temple . God does not contradict himself so a statue of a saint is like a picture of someone we honer we do not worship the statue .Davids kingdom had a queen mother , Jesus mother would be a reflection of Davids kingdom . Maybe before you quote the Pope check out what he really said .Nor do we teach that someone dies before he is baptize goes to hell ( remember the thief on the cross ) Nowhere in the bible does it have a sinners prayer or states that you have to accept Jesus as your personal savior an accept him into your heart to be to be saved ( which I don’t disagree with but such statements are not in the bible ) but the Bible states directly ” believe and be Baptized ” and Peter says ” baptism… now saves you.” I dare you to read the boo catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating . Dare you . When you quote facts please go to the Catechism of the Catholic Church , Catholic Answers website or one of our apologetic books before you make unfounded statements . O by the way i am taught to honor you as a fellow Christian, but i wouldn’t get the same respect back .

      • LynnRH

        I am Baptist and we believe that if a person is saved but died before he could be water baptized he will still go to Heaven. The theif that hung on the cross next to Jesus accepted Jesus as his Savior right there on the cross. And Jesus told him he would be in Heaven that day with him. The thief never had the chance to be water baptized after being saved. I do believe according to God’s Word that we are required to have water baptism after salvation as a witness to others that you are now making a commitment to follow Christ. But as in the example of the thief mentioned above we (Baptist) don’t believe it is absolutely necessary to be saved.

        • Just1Name

          You are correct. Baptism is a ‘work’. Nothing we do can add to ‘helping’ in our Salvation.
          Many are saved on their deathbeds, who are never baptized.
          And in other cases as well.
          They say there are no atheists in a foxhole. I’m sure that rings more true than not, in a battle going on. Those men face death daily. They are not all getting baptized before they go to war, nor when they are there.
          But if they Cry Out to Jesus, that’s good enough for Him.
          Too many people put limits on God’s great Grace & Mercy, that’s new each day. They give Him the characteristics of limited man, b/c they can’t grasp His infinity.

      • Darrel Slugoski

        Read the Early Church Fathers and see if your view of history matched the ones who were there and died for what the believed in . A grate book is The Case for Catholicism or Catholicism and Fundamentalism . We have a much better argument then you could believe . Dare yo

    • LynnRH

      Well of course she was blessed! What woman wouldn’t be considered blessed if she were chosen to be the earthly mother of baby Jesus? But I have never read in my King James bible where Mary and other saints can pray for us. My bible says Jesus Christ is my intercessor. He’s the one and only who died on the cross for me and rose again 3 days later and now sits at the right hand of God. He alone is worthy to be our intercessor to the Heavenly Father God.

      • Darrel Slugoski

        When you pray for someone you are a intercessor that what we do when we pray for each other . We believe the saints can pray for us .Some biblical examples, Lk 16:19-20 departed dead ma intercedes for his brothers . Mt 9:4-Jesus seen conversing with Elijah and Moses. Rev 5:n angle offer prayers of the holy ones to God. This was the practice of the early Christians . Read the early Church Fathers . These and other scriptures imply that this is possible .You are right there is no explicit scripture that suggest this. Those who believe in the rapture believe that there will be a rapture even though the word was not mentioned explicitly in the Bible . The Rapture was invented in the 1830’s by John Darby . Not one early Christian nor any Protestant reformer believed in such a thing . But in the writing of the first 300 years of Christianity they believed that they could have saints in heaven pray for us . The evidence is there. It was the Catholic Church who put together the Canon of scripture we also had other documents form those early times. Read them and find out if the early Church was Baptist, Lutheran………….or Catholic.

        • TruthvLIes

          How do dead saints pray for us?

          • Darrel Slugoski

            In Tob 12:12 an angle presents Tobit and Sarahs prayers to God Rev 5:8 Angle offers prayers of the holy ones to God . The saints n heaven are more alive then we are . They are still part the body of Christ redeemed and remain branches of tree and part of the body .1 Cor 12:25-27 /Rom 12:4-5 .The ancient Jew believed in the intercession of the saints 2 Macc 15:11-16 and Jeremiah wrote that Moses and Samuel made intercession after their deaths Jer 15:1.We see that the angles and saint place the prayers of the holy one on earth at Gods feet . Tob 12:12/Rev 5:8,:3. these verses also mean apparently that angles and saints are the ones prayed to and they take these prayers to God .
            I can pray for you on earth , can have other saints in heaven pray for me and I also go directly to Christ .I have a whole army praying . The earliest Christians in the first 300 years and onward believed the same thing .Read them for yourself . I have no need to lie .

            Saint are the heros of our Faith . A picture or statue is just a reminder ( base ball card) of our heros who we should look up to as role models . We do not worship them as Gods we honor and venerate them only . And we as them to pray for us . This is Catholic teaching for 2000 years . You can refer to any official document that confirms this is the case . if a Catholic or Protestant wants to go directly to Jesus it fine with us .

    • Recognizing_Truth

      “full of grace” is not the original translation (whatever that means – original latin? english? spanish?)
      The original language was Greek and the angel called her “kexaritomena” which in English is: “favored one”.

      The English phrase “full of grace” is, in Greek, “plaras karitos” and is found in two places in Scripture. Once to describe Jesus, and once to describe Stephen.

      “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14).

      “And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.” (Acts 6:8).

      Now, even though the angel’s greeting to Mary is to “kexaritomena”, that is, ‘favored one”, let’s assume for a moment that Jerome (who translated the OT Septuagint (Greek translation of Hebrew) and the Aramaic and Greek NT into Latin in the 4th century as the Latin Vulgate) who is responsible for translating “kexaritomena” as “gratia plena” (Latin for “full of grace”) had some special reason for his mistranslation.

      Then the simple question is just: Does “favored one” mean “sinless”?

      If we look at John 1:14, where Jesus is called “full of grace”, we might be tempted to shout “YES! it does mean that”.

      But looking at the other reference to the phrase “full of grace” in Acts 6:8 where Stephen is called “full of grace”, and knowing that Stephen was a man and therefore one of the “all” in “all like sheep have gone astray, all seek their own way” and the “all” in “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” it becomes clear that NO, it CAN’T mean “sinless”.

      By a clear reading of Scripture, and the use of the phrase “full of grace” it is obvious that it does not mean “sinless”

      • Darrel Slugoski

        . Good points though . However the Greek conveys that this Grace and the core of the word kecharitomene is charis is at once permanent of a singular kind.The Greek indicates a perfection of grace. The grace mary had must have full or strong or complete at any given time over her hole life . The Immaculate Conception means that mary whose conception was brought about the normal way was conceived without the stain of original sin .She was saved and was pure . Otherwise she would be passing on the stain of original sin to Jesus .

        • TruthvLIes

          Just as a matter of interest, what is a “hole” life? is that one that is very empty?

          Regarding this comment of yours “Otherwise she would be passing on the stain of original sin to Jesus” your God is too small.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            You are the one who limits God .He can save anyone at any point if he chooses .she was sinless according to the very first Christian writers the very ones who were sent to their deaths . The first Bishops of the 1st 2nd and 3rd centuries . The very one who codified the NT in 397 say so .Can you imagine Mary stealing , committing adultery , using the Lords name in vain ……… This evidence is available . Even if you don’t believe it .

          • TruthvLIes

            What a strange comment. I did not know that stealing, adultery and blaspheming were the only sins that Mary was not guilty of.

          • TruthvLIes

            And I am still waiting for you to tell me what a “hole” life is.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            sorry whole life .

      • Darrel Slugoski

        The original language was Aramaic which is the language Jesus spoke

  • Eileen Burke Miller

    God didn’t just make Adam. He made Eve too. So Christ is the new Adam and Mary the new Eve.

    • ppp777

      The sin was down to Adam not Eve .

    • Heidi K.

      JESUS CHRIST is GOD, see John 1!

      • YoikesAndAway

        Jesus is fully God and fully human. It is a concept that we struggle to understand even 2000 yrs later and will continue to do so.

    • ppp777

      Says who ?

    • LynnRH

      Huh?! What?! I’ve never read any such thing in my Bible.

  • Reason2012

    So apparently God could not create Jesus without original sin unless Mary was without original sin. But God could create Mary without original sin even though her parents had original sin. Behold the deception of catholic doctrines.

    • Heidi K.

      Our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST is NOT a created being, HE is GOD who came to earth in the flesh so HE could die on the cross for our sins and came back to life on the 3rd day. HE was without sin because HE is GOD! See John 1 – JESUS always existed.

      • Reason2012

        Correct: He is God. His human form did not always exist – it was “born” 2000 years ago and I’m just exposing catholicism’s obvious lack of logic in pretending His human form being conceived of the Holy Ghost was not enough.

        • Darrel Slugoski

          He is both fully God and man and his resurrected body is in heaven .

  • Reason2012

    “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
    Mark 7:7

    “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
    Acts 8:36-37

    “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
    Matthew 23:5-10

    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
    Ephesians 2:8-10

    “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
    Romans 4:4-5

    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven [carved] image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
    Exodus 20:4

    “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
    Isaiah 42:8

    “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
    1 Timothy 2:5

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
    Luke 1:46-47

    “And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
    Luke 11:27-28

    “And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
    Mark 3:33-35

    “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he [Jesus] did once, when he offered up himself.”
    Hebrews 7:27

    “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
    Hebrews 10:10

    “Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
    Acts 16:29-31

    “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:13-15

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    Matthew 7:21-23

    “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”
    Revelation 22:8-9

    “And [Jesus] said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
    Mark 4:9

    • Darrel Slugoski

      I would apply that to Protestants who cant even agree on Scripture . When someone disagrees they just start another Church which supports their doctrine . ” doctrine of men “.

      • TruthvLIes

        Of course you would as you seem to want to make sure that the protestants are tarred with same brush as the catholic church.

        In case you didn’t know it, the protestant church is only another version of the catholic church.

        • Darrel Slugoski

          In what way . Firstly, I recognize all Protestants/Evangelicals as saved and as Christians who share 80% of Catholic beliefs . The other 20% are issues we disagree . You must admit that there are issue and disagreements amongst yourselves regarding interpretation of scripture . Martin Luther and Calvin held to some beliefs about Mary and used scripture to back it up . Just Google it .

      • Reason2012

        If someone is doing that to find truth and follow truth, that’s superior to just staying where you are in a church that is clearly not following God / the Bible.

        • Darrel Slugoski

          agreed

        • Darrel Slugoski

          Every Church claims they are teaching the correct interpretation the bible .

          • Reason2012

            Good point. Of course they will. Which is why we check the Bible ourselves and it becomes easy to spot when they’re not. The only ones fooled are those who are just going through the motions and do not really care what God’s Word says. In the end, we’ll be just as responsible for rejecting Christ just because of false churches – God warns that “preachers” will receive the greater condemnation.

            “My brethren, be not many masters [teachers], knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. 2 For in many things we offend [cause to sin] all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.”
            James 3:1-2

            So we need to put aside the deception of false churches and heed God’s Word first and foremost. Being a member of a church saves no one – it’s God through Christ that saves us, not by works.

            “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
            Ephesians 2:8-9

            “[Jesus said] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up [on the cross]: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
            19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved [exposed]. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”

            John 3:14-21

    • Darrel Slugoski

      Wouldn’t you be surprised if some of these scriptures were referring to yourself .

      “Stand firm and hold fast to to the traditions that you were taught ,either by oral statement or by letter of ours ” 2 Thess 2:15 Read the Early Church Fathers who were taught by the Apostles themselves and were martyred and see how they interpreted scripture in the first three centuries .

      ” We are justified by works and not by faith alone ”

      ” Faith without works is dead ”

      ” unless you eat my body and drink my blood you have no life in you ” Guess what, all but the 12 left him because of ” hard teaching ”

      ” not all that say lord lord…” cancels out once saved always saved .

      God commanded that statues of cherubim be crafted on the Arc , statues of bull be put in the temple or all of Israel receive healing by turning to staff with a serpent . You see God does not contradict him self . I don’t worship any statue of the heroes of my faith . Show me any Catholic Doctrine in 2000 yer which states this.

      I can go on and on. Two great books are Catholicism and Fundamentalism and The Case for Catholicism defend Catholic doctrine quite nicely . Dare anyone to read them or any of the early Christian writers in the first 3 centuries and beyond to see if they were Luterane , Baptist ,Presbyterian ……………….or Catholic. We have the best defense , but you will never know unless you take up my challenge .

      • Reason2012

        “Stand firm and hold fast to to the traditions that you were taught ,either by oral statement or by letter of ours ” 2 Thess 2:15 Read the Early Church Fathers who were taught by the Apostles themselves and were martyred and see how they interpreted scripture in the first three centuries

        Hello. He’s talking about the doctrines of the apostles, not teaching as doctrines the commandments of men, like Catholicism teaches, which is what I was referring to. We keep the “traditions” taught in the NT, not man-made traditions being passed off as commandments from God like false religions do.

        ”Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
        Matthew 15:7-9

        ” We are justified by works and not by faith alone ” ” Faith without works is dead ”

        Read the rest of the chapter in the book of James you cited one verse with no context. He’s pointing out that we are in fact saved by faith, but we must be careful to not just claim to have faith but really do not. It’s not claiming to have faith that saves – it’s truly having faith that saves. True faith being living faith, faked claim of faith being dead faith, still on the way to condemnation. How to tell the difference? God knows the difference. But other people may be fooled and herein the apostle explains it: Real faith is evidenced by works. Hence the one verse you are deceived by their teachings

        ”Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ”
        James 2:18

        Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

        So if a person claims to have faith but has no works, they’re only lying to themselves and are still not saved.

        ”So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
        Romans 10:17

        ” unless you eat my body and drink my blood you have no life in you ” Guess what, all but the 12 left him because of ” hard teaching “

        Continue reading – Catholicism never teaches the rest of that teaching by Christ – He responded to His disciples thinking He was talking about physically eating flesh, as if that profits a person to being made alive (quickeneth):

        ”Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. ”
        John 6:60-63

        Ask yourself why catholic teachers never point these verses out or even bother to check.

        ” not all that say lord lord…” cancels out once saved always saved.

        As I’m sure you realize: Saying you are saved does not mean you are saved. Anyone can fake the claim. He’s pointing to those who were never saved to begin with but had fake faith, claiming they believed when they really didn’t.

        It’s why he warns people:
        ”Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. ”
        Philippians 2:12

        God commanded that statues of cherubim be crafted on the Arc

        Yes, GOD commanded it for His temple in Jerusalem. He meanwhile said, even then, no one is to make them, and even if you don’t make them, no one is to bow down to them.

        I can go on and on. Two great books are Catholicism and Fundamentalism and The Case for Catholicism defend Catholic doctrine quite nicely . Dare anyone to read them or any of the early Christian writers in the first 3 centuries and beyond to see if they were Luterane , Baptist ,Presbyterian ……………….or Catholic. We have the best defense , but you will never know unless you take up my challenge .

        I don’t follow any denomination: I follow Christ/God and His Word. I challenge you to actually read His Word. Every catholic that came out of the Catholicism said they never read the Bible, would tell people they read it anyway when they didn’t, but once they did start reading it they realized how anti-Christ Catholicism truly is.

        Christ is the final sacrifice, but notice how they keep people condemned by their words placing their trust in a priest’s sacrifice on the altar every week, conning people into saying “May the Lord accept the sacrifice by your hands….”

        Once we get saved, it doesn’t matter if we spent years deceived. What matters is we finally become saved. Please read the gospels yet again.

        • Darrel Slugoski

          Iknow 1000s of Catholics who read the , the Early Church Fathers and the Bible and I know 10000 of Protestants you have not . There are many groups just to lazy statistically. The books I have described and the writers of the first 3 centuries are books that were completed by martyrs ( Bishops ).You can find out if they were Baptists, Lutherans , Presbyterians ………………………….or Catholics . Tell you what i dare you to read these books and see for yourself That are arguments are defensible ? Read the Books ,take the challenge . Those Catholics were not alway taught to defend their faith , I have .

        • Darrel Slugoski

          Why don’t protestants look at how the first christian believed and interpreted scripture and the eucharist ( the final cannon was not decided until 397 ad) but the early christians new what whey believed . We do have a defence and we have checked those verses . We gave you the Bibe.

          I have read the Bible several times and believe we have the better argument . Show me any document in 2000 years which I am required to worship a statue . You are teaching the doctrine of many confused men who divided and separated from others who disagreed with them . Currently there are 55000 churches, who claim they that there teachings from the Bible, but can’t agree with each other . Martin Luther should’ve gotten it right the first time and he said ” I tried to get rid of one pope and I created 10″

          He commanded Angles to be formed on the Arc , a serpent , and Animals to be crafted . Your Interpretation is inconsistent .You would need to get rid of artwork , toys ……Also . you are misinterpreting the nature of this scriptures .

          In the Catholic Church Faith, works and God’s Grace work like a 3 legged stool take one out it falls apart . Nowhere does it say “you are saved/justified by faith alone nor do Catholic believe works alone save us.( therefore James reminds us ” we are justified by works and not by faith alone”) I AGREE with some of your other comments which the Catholic Church also believes ,just read the Catechism of The Catholic Church to verify . I am saved and the Catholic Church teaches you are fully Christian . So unless you are God , You don’t know anything about my relationship with Christ and my faith and have no right to judge me .

          Read all of John 6, the first Christian writers of the first 3 centuries and see what they believed about the eucharist . Christ was referring to the sinful flesh . In the OT and NT the people who were living in the flesh ment it was sinful . Christ was not referring to his flesh . He let all his disciples walk away without correcting them but we can directly read what the early Church Fathers believe, some who were ordained by the Apostles themselves in the first century , And see if they hold to your interpretation on the Lord’s supper . His word are Spirit and Life doesn’t mean the eucharist is only symbolic . Ask anyone who speaks Aramaic or Greek if you have doubts .

          Again I can respect you as a Christian . I could teach you more about the AntiChrist using scripture hich rapturest and Protestants do seem to over look . May be next time .

          • Reason2012

            Nowhere does it say “you are saved/justified by faith alone

            Sure it does. All over. The most obvious:

            Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

            Galatians 2:16 “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

            Romans 3:20-21 “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”

            If a person claims to have faith in Christ, James points out it’s a lie if they do not have works as evidence of it. Others see our faith by our works. But some religions twist that into claiming works save you, when it’s faith that saved us – God’s gift to use – and works (or lack thereof) expose whether a person’s faith is living faith or dead faith.

            More verses that clearly speak of not being saved by works of any kind:

            Romans 9:15-16 “For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.”

            We are not saved by works, but saved by grace.

            As someone else compiled:

            1. Eph. 2:8-9 – “For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.”

            2. Rom. 4:6-7 – God imputes “Righteousness without works.” (See #9, #4, #45, #7, #12, #53)

            3. Rom. 10:3 – It’s a grave mistake for anyone to try to, “Establish their own righteousness.”

            4. Rom. 5:17 – Heaven deserving righteousness is a “GIFT,” not something you earn.

            5. Rom. 5:18 – Justification to God is a “FREE GIFT,” not something you work toward.

            6. Phil. 3:9 – Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn’t trust his “Own righteousness” to save him.

            7. Rom. 3:22 – God’s righteousness is credited to “ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE,” not all that work.

            8. Rom. 8:3-4 – The flesh is too “Weak” to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. (See #86)

            9. Rom. 4:3 – Abraham’s faith, not works, “Was counted unto him for righteousness.”

            10. Rom. 4:4-5 – Works are “Not reckoned of grace, but of debt.” Faith is counted as righteousness.

            11. Gal. 3:10 – To earn Heaven you’d have to “Continueth,” perfectly, in the whole law. (See #81, #86)

            12. Titus 3:5 – “NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.”

            13. John 5:24 – In Christ we’ve “PASSED from death unto life.” We don’t have to “wait” to find out.

            14. Rom. 9:31-32 – Israel, “Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.” (#33, #54)

            15. Acts 4:12 – No other name but Christ can save us– not the name of works, nor our own name.

            16. John 1:12-13 – Only God’s power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into God’s family by “Blood” (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), “Nor will of the flesh” (good works), “Nor will of man.” (minister, or man made religion), “But of God.” (See #12, #53, #21, #17, #22, #46, #15)

            17. Isa. 45:22 – No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; “There is none else.”

            18. Acts 13:39 – “And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses.” (See #33, #54, #53, #5, #42, #64, #82, #87, #80)

            19. Rom. 8:7 – We can’t follow God’s law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? (#86, #8)

            20. Matthew 7:21-23 – Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their “Many wonderful works,” will, sadly, be told by Christ: “I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work iniquity.” Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. (#46, #12)

            21. John 10:1 – We must enter through Christ, “THE DOOR,” not by “Some other way..” (See #46)

            22. John 8:24 – A person can work all they want, but it won’t save them. Jesus said the bottom line is that, “If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins.” (See #53 and #69)

            23. Rom. 4:2 – If Abraham could have saved himself, he’d have something to brag about. (See #25, #1)

            24. Acts 10:1-43 – Cornelius’ good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved by trusting solely in Christ to save him. (See #6, #12, #1, #88)

            25. Rom. 3:27-28 – “Where is boasting then?…Of WORKS? nay.” (See #1 and #23)

            26. 1 John 5:13 – If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach that you could “KNOW” for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because salvation doesn’t depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. (See #87)

            27. Heb. 1:3 – “He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins.” He doesn’t need help from us! (See #15)

            28. Heb. 2:3 – If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it “So great salvation”?

            29. Heb. 2:9-10 – Christ is “The CAPTAIN of their salvation.” He tasted “Death for every man.”

            30. Heb. 2:14-15 – Christ is the one who will “DELIVER” us from death, not ourselves! (See #53)

            31. Heb. 2:17 – Christ makes “RECONCILIATION for the sins.” We can’t reconcile ourselves.

            32. Heb. 5:9 – Christ is “The AUTHOR of eternal salvation,” not us! It’s not in our hands.

            33. Gal. 2:16 – “Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, ….that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.”

            34. Heb. 9:28 – “Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many.” God won’t accept good works.

            35. Heb. 10:10-12 – Christ’s body was offered “Once for all.” So stop insulting God with your works.

            36. Heb. 10:14 – “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them.” STOP WORKING at it!

            37. Heb. 10:17-18 – “There is no more offering for sin.” So stop offering your good works.

            38. 2 Cor. 1:9 – “We should not trust in ourselves, but in God,” who has ALREADY paid the price.

            39. 2 Cor. 1:10 – Christ “Delivered us from so great a death.” He had to; we can’t deliver ourselves.

            40. Eph. 1:12-13 – You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, “After that believed, ye were SEALED.”

            41. Jer. 17:5 – “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm.”

            42. Job 25:4 – “How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?” (For God’s answer, see #86, #63, #54, #33, #82, #80, #73, #5 and Isaiah 1:18)

            43. Isa. 12:2 – “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust.” Don’t trust good works, trust the Saviour.

            44. Luke 18:9-14 – Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person.

            45. Ezek. 33:13 – “If he trust to his own righteousness…” He better be perfectly sinless or else!

            46. John 14:6 – Jesus said, “I am THE WAY…no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.”

            47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 – There’s ONLY “One mediator between God and men,” Jesus Christ, not ourselves.

            48. Col. 2:14 – Christ took our sin debt, “Nailing it to his cross.” It’s ALREADY paid for! (See #34-37)

            49. John 19:30 – While on the cross, Christ said, “It is finished.” It’s paid. We don’t have to work for it.

            50. Matt. 11:28-30 – Christ offers “REST” to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven.

            51. Isa. 53:4-6 – Christ was, “WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions.” Why? So WE don’t have to be.

            52. Heb. 4:9-10 – The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, “Hath CEASED from his own works.”

            53. Gal. 2:21 – If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? “Then Christ is dead in vain.” (See #86, #8)

            54. Rom. 3:20 – “Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” (See #33, #14, #82, #80, #87, #42, #73)

            55. Gal. 5:1-4 – “Christ hath made us free.” He had to; we can’t free ourselves, no matter how “good.”

            56. 2 Tim. 1:10 – “Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death,” with no help from us.

            57. 1 John 4:14 – Christ was sent, “To be the Saviour of the world”; we couldn’t save ourselves.

            58. 1 Tim. 4:10 – “The Saviour of ALL men.” Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour.

            59. Acts 16:30-31 – When the Philippian jailer asked, “What must I do to be saved?” Paul didn’t say, keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.”

            60. Luke 7:49-50 – Christ told the woman: “Thy faith hath saved thee,” not thy works! (See #1)

            61. Eph. 1:7 – “Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins,” not through our works.

            62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 – “According to his abundant MERCY,” not according to our good deeds. (See #12)

            63. Rev. 1:5 – Christ, “Washed us from our sins in his own blood”; can’t wash ourselves with works.

            64. Titus 3:7 – We are “Justified by his grace,” not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership.

            65. Titus 2:11 – “The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN.”

            66. Eph. 4:32 – We are forgiven, “For Christ’s sake,” not because of our good behavior. (See #88)

            67. Eph. 2:4-5 – “(By grace ye are saved),” not by works. The two don’t mix according to Rom. 11:6.

            68. Acts 26:18 – “Through this man [Christ]…forgiveness of sins,” not through our efforts!

            69. Heb. 7:25 – Only Christ is “Able to save.” Only He can “Make INTERCESSION for them.”

            70. Rom. 3:10 – “There is none righteous, no, not one.” So how can anyone save themselves?

            71. Rom. 3:12 – “There is none that doeth good, no, not one.” So how can anyone save themselves?

            72. Eccl. 7:20 – “There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good.” Can anyone save themselves?

            73. Rom. 4:25 – Christ has already died for our sins. He, “Was delivered for our offences and raised again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION.” So what role does person play in their own salvation?

            74. Rom. 5:10 – “We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son,” not by the fruits of our works.

            75. John 6:28-29 – “Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE ON HIM whom he hath sent.” (See #59, #22, #10, #53)

            76. 1 Pet. 3:18 – “Suffered for us…that HE might bring us to God.” Do we have to help Him save us? Didn’t He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to “The uttermost.”

            77. Matt. 5:20 – Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees– Impossible! (#70)

            78. 1 John 2:2 – Christ, “Is the propitiation [payment]…for the sins of the whole world.” If He can pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us– mere individuals?

            79. Rom. 8:8 – “They that are in the flesh cannot please God.” So what chance does anyone have?

            80. Rom. 3:23-25 – Through Christ’s death we are “Justified freely” (made right with God). His death provides: Redemption” (we are bought back to God), “Propitiation” (a settlement of our sin debt), “Remission [forgiveness] of sins.” It’s all by God’s “Grace” not our works. (See #1, #35, #36, #78)

            81. James 2:10-11 – “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of all.” We can’t possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour.

            82. Romans 5:8-9 – We are “Justified by his blood,” not our good works. That’s why “When we were sinners, Christ died for us.” Therefore, “We shall be saved from wrath through him.”

            83. Matt. 18:11 – Jesus came “To save that which was lost [us].” Why? Because we can’t save ourselves. Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? (See #53, #8, #86, #76)

            84. Acts 15:10-11 – “Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved,” not through works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 (see #90, #1, #53)

            85. 2 Cor. 5:21 – “Christ was made sin for us…that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” Why trust our own “righteousness” if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24)

            86. Matt. 19:25-26 – “When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE; but with God all things are possible.” (See #8, #41, #42, #81, #11, #45, #70, #19)

            87. Rom. 5:1 – “Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our Lord Jesus Christ.” There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done enough good works. Peace is knowing it’s been paid for ALREADY. (See #52, #50, #26, #53)

            88. 2 Tim. 1:9 – “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.” God had a “payment plan” ready before any of us were even alive to work!

            89. Rom. 10:9-13 – “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED …For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.” (See #15)

            90. Rom. 11:6 – “And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.”

          • Darrel Slugoski

            The word ALONE is never used !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As James said ” we are justified by works AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE.”
            Or
            Rom 2:5-8 – God will repay each man according to his works
            Mt 19:16-17-to have life keep the ten commandments
            Gal 5:4-6 Nothing counts but faith working through love
            Phil 2:12-13-work out your salvation with fear and trembling

            Instead of listening to this guy, who MISREPRESENTS Catholic teaching, read the Catechism of The Catholic Church .Read the Early Church Fathers or two great books; The Case for Catholicism or Catholicism and Fundamentalism . We have the best defense . I dare anyone .

          • Reason2012

            We have to read the entire book of James, not just one verse that sounds like it’s saying something it’s not.

            James is talking about people who claim to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ – who claim to be saved – but their works show they’re not really believing on Him, that hence their claim of faith is dead faith.

            So if a person says they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ – that they are saved – but they hardly read the bible, hardly ever pray, hardly go to church and so on, then it’s clear their claim of faith is dead faith. Another person who makes the same claim, but then reads their bible all the time, prays a lot, goes to church all the time and so on, is showing they are saved in truth.

            But we must be careful to not confuse this to say that we’re saved by works when the Bible clearly teaches all over the NT we’re saved by grace.

            So yes, faith alone is dead faith – the lack of works just being evidence that it’s dead faith. Someone who has sincere faith will do all sorts of works as evidence that it’s true saving faith. But we must take care that we now think we’re earning salvation, that salvation is by debt, as if God owes us because of our works, not instead saving us by grace.

            “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
            Ephesians 2:8-9

            “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;”
            Titus 3:5

            “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
            Galatians 2:16

            May this be a blessing.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            I actually agree with you our works alone don’t save us. The Catholic Lutheran dialogue an agreement was reached on this issue . You have put it more eloquently and it is a blessing .

            Gal 5:4-6 – nothing counts but faith working through love
            Mt 7:21 – not all those who say lord lord will enter the kingdom of heave
            but he who does the will of my father .
            Mt 19:16-17 -to have life keep the commandments

            Works are a manifestation of our faith and helps us produce good fruit . Gods grace also saves us .

            The Catholic Church has never taught our works alone saves us .( refer to the council of trent )

            Just for information; the Jewish law contains 615 rules , we are not bound by those ( ie circumcision.eating crabs….) nor can everyone live up to the Jewish law, but we are bound by the 10 commandments ( Mt 19:16-17 )

          • Reason2012

            Works are a manifestation of our faith and helps us produce good fruit . Gods grace also saves us .

            No, God’s grace doesn’t “also” save us. God’s grace saves us. As you said: our works are merely a manifestation of God’s grace.

            Catholics keep themselves condemned by their own words, asking God to accept a priest’s sacrifice he performs each mass, proving their not trusting on the final sacrifice of Christ. Christ said it is finished. Catholic doctrine says it’s not by their sacrifice offered up every mass.

            Catholic doctrines contradict God’s Word in a great many ways, much like the Pharisees did. Each person is going tohave to decide for themselves if they’re going to heed God/ Jesus Christ and His Word, or their religion. In the end it’s God we’ll all have to convince.

            “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
            Mark 7:7

            “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
            Acts 8:36-37

            “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
            Matthew 23:5-10

            “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
            Ephesians 2:8-10

            “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
            Romans 4:4-5

            “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven [carved] image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
            Exodus 20:4

            “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
            Isaiah 42:8

            “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
            1 Timothy 2:5

            “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
            Luke 1:46-47

            “And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
            Luke 11:27-28

            “And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
            Mark 3:33-35

            “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he [Jesus] did once, when he offered up himself.”
            Hebrews 7:27

            “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
            Hebrews 10:10

            “Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
            Acts 16:29-31

            “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
            Matthew 7:13-15

            “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
            Matthew 7:21-23

            “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”
            Revelation 22:8-9

            “And [Jesus] said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
            Mark 4:9

          • Darrel Slugoski

            I suggest you read Catholicism and Fundamentalism or the Case for Catholicism . Or the first Catholic Bishops (Before Constantine ) who died for what they believed . Especially the first 300 years . Find out if they were Baptist, Lutherans ,Presbyterians , Pentecostals ……………or Catholic . I can throw out a bunch of Scriptures too I not going to wast my time . I am sure you have not read one Catholic apologetic book but we do have the better argument scripturally and historically the you may think . I know you would never take me up on this challenge . It would threaten your world view . But to really know your enemy you must see how they defend themselves . You are misrepresenting Catholic teaching in your posts . By the way My Church recognizes you as fully Christian and saved . I don’t condemn you as you do me . May God bless you

          • Reason2012

            I suggest you read Catholicism and Fundamentalism or the Case for Catholicism

            I suggest we read God’s Word instead of a denomination’s doctrines for truth.

            I can throw out a bunch of Scriptures too I not going to wast my time.

            God’s Word is not a waste of time, but unfortunately most catholics lean on catholic doctrine instead of God’s Word, unaware how it contradicts God’s Word in so many critical ways.

            I am sure you have not read one Catholic apologetic

            I’ve exposed much of their false teachings with the verses I cited.

            I know you would never take me up on this challenge . It would threaten your world view.

            The world view of God and His Word is not threatened by a denomination’s doctrines that teach contrary. The only world view threatened are of those who want to defend their denomination like catholicism instead of God and His Word – just like the Pharisees’ world view was threatened by Christ. What people do not seem to realize is it’s God they’ll have to answer to – and it won’t work to try pretending “well how was I supposed to know? I was told the catholic denomination was your church!”.

            You are misrepresenting Catholic teaching in your posts

            You have yet to prove that. The scripture I cite is what they violate and many more.

            I don’t condemn you as you do me

            I do not condemn catholic doctrines – God does. And people who follow anti-Christ doctrines like that keep themselves condemned before God until they repent. We’re simply to point it out so others have a chance to turn away from man-centered religion and turn towards God/Christ. Please think on these things and prayerfully consider God’s Word.

            Take care.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            The first problem is every Church has doctrine that contradicts each other and as a result there are 50 000 different denominations that believe their way of interpreting scripture is from the Holy Spirit . Martin Luther said ” I tried to get rid of one Pope and created ten .” Man centered interpretation occurs by ignoring historically precedence. Therefore we can read the first, second ,and third century Church Fathers and how they interpreted scripture . Then we look 1500 years later and we see Protestant Church leaders contradicting and condemning each other after that .

            The Word of God is not self interpreting nor is there a table of contents until the Catholic Church decided on the canon and put these books together in 397 AD .God doesn’t condemn Catholic doctrines because he lead Church leaders in the Councils to our beliefs and condemn heresies that invaded the Church ( such as Gnosticism , Arianism ) ( which most Christians would agree on unless they are still practicing heresies Like oneness Pentecostals or oneness Baptists )These Councils and the Early Church Fathers were taught how to interpret scripture by the Apostles by following 2 Thess 2:15 ” hold onto the traditions ,whether oral or by letter.” and/or 2 Tim 2:2 ” and “what you have heard entrust to faithful men.”

            When you read the Scriptures you can also read the Early Church Fathers who over all had a consensus of what Scripture ment . They wrote at the same time the Scriptures were being written and/or being collected and some of these documents were written when the Apostles were alive . Some of these writers were ordained by the Apostles themselves and died at the hands of pagan Rome and by the Jewish authorities . Therefore I trust their witness more than I trust the multiple Churches who contradict themselves and claim there interpretation of Scripture is the the correct one .

            One of their interpretations relate to the Eucharist . St Ignatius 110 AD said “” heretics abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because the do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ…” ( I can quote many other early Bishops )This teaching comes John 6 as well as other scriptures . By the way we dont believe we are sacrificing Christ again each time ( we don’t teach this in any document in 2000 years or believe it and this is were you mis represent Catholic teaching ) But we believe that Christs ( body and blood ) is present in the Eucharist . As in John 6, all his disciples left him except the 12 over a teaching that ” was to hard.” . Jesus could have corrected himself letting them know he was speaking symbolically , but he didn’t and let them go . He did say unless you do this “you have no life in you” . Christ did say his words are ” spirit and Life ” which does not mean symbolic in Aramaic or Greek . He also said ” the flesh was to no avail “( in the OT and NT the flesh was considered sinful eg; living in the flesh ) but he was not saying his flesh was to no avail . Throughout the OT and NT the Lord’s supper is foreshadowed and presented in the NT and is backed up by the early Bishops till this day . We are saved by the Body and blood of the lamb in John 6 and the Lord’s supper and receive spirit and life . The mass is a representation of the one time sacrifice , and we dot believe or teach Christ is being sacrificed again and again ( you can believe if you want but not what we believe ). Catholics , Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox get the full meal deal .

            When you read all the Early Church Fathers they held to this belief and this teaching did not change until 1500 year latter . Martin Luther had this belief about the Eucharist , but changed the definition slightly . But after that as Protestantism subdivided they either believed the Eucharist was only symbolic or didn’t bother with the Lord’s supper at all .

            Now after writing this , you will poo poo it .You see God’s Word will be interpreted according to one’s biases or school of thought . As a result each Church will claim that their Doctrine ( which means their interpretation of the word ) is the only correct interpretation and that is why there are 55 000 Churches out there , with people leaving their Church to start new ones when they disagree on the word . The only Church that has been there from the beginning was the Catholic Church ( with the Bishop of Rome ) where men departed and started their own churches . I excluded the Orthodox Churches who were also there from the beginning ( who we have a bit of a rivalry as to who went off the tracts but we both Recognize each others Bishops and sacraments for the most part )

            I have studied the Word, history of the OT and Christian Church and the Early Church writers . I believe we have the better argument . Generally what I have outlined , is how Catholic Church defends itself scripturally with historical precedence of the early Church Bishops . We also believe in the truths of Oral tradition ( were the Apostles passed on their understanding of interpretation ) to the Early Church Fathers and as well as consensus at the Councils. We also believe Scared Oral Tradition and that not all knowledge is contained in scripture ( this is were you would have a problem ) But authority in the Church ( to interpret Scripture , for discipline ” take it to the Church” and administration ) was given to the Early Church Fathers who were ordained ( laying on of hands ) by the Apostles themselves and was passed on ( by the laying on of hands ) for 2000 years ( Apostolic Succession )

            ” Scripture alone ” does not work as evidenced in the contradictory doctrines/interpretations of the Word ,of Protestants Churches .If it did work Martin Luther would have gotten it right the first time around . I believe that the Catholic Church which has factually been around from the beginning, under the Bishop of Rome, is Christ Church . therefore every other Church must justify their existence in opposition to this Church .

            No one wants to admit that their doctrines are the ” doctrines of men. Each Religion ( read what the Koran says about our ” monks” and calling us “infidels” and wanting to invade “Rome” ) , Hindus anti Catholicism , and to every other denomination or religion who hates/ignore/invalidates Catholic doctrine , it is still the Catholic Church at the center of it all for 2000 years . I am not saying we are better/holier than anyone else but we are the foundational mother Church. And we will be condemned because everyone else believe they are right and have no choice but to be in opposition to us to justify their existence .

            I am not writing all of this to change you but to plant a seed . And maybe someone will take up the challenge and read either Catholicism and Fundamentalism or the Case for Catholicism or the Early Church Fathers . Most people are ignorant of the Catholic Church teaching and believe that this Church has no chance of defending itself .I believe we have the better argument . Unless you read how our Church defends it self or read the Catechism of The Catholic Church you are misinformed and misrepresent Catholic teaching .

            By the way my Church recognizes and teaches you as being full Christian , just misinformed . I challenge anyone to do what I have suggested before you make claim you know exactly what the Catholic Church teaches .

          • Reason2012

            The first problem is every Church has doctrine that contradicts each other and as a result there are 50 000 different denominations that believe their way of interpreting scripture is from the Holy Spirit.

            False churches perverting God’s Word does not mean no one can know God’s Word except catholic leaders. Logical fallacy.

            Therefore we can read the first, second ,and third century Church Fathers and how they interpreted scripture.

            No, catholics were never of God’s church. A plain reading of Scripture as led by the Holy Spirit makes it clear all the false teachers.

            The Word of God is not self interpreting

            God leads us to His truth via His Holy spirit, comparing Scripture with Scripture.

            Every born again believer in God receives the Holy Spirit and as we’re told the Holy Spirit leads us to God’s truth, not other men through their interpretation that only they know.

            “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
            1 Corinthians 2:12-14

            “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
            2 Peter 1:20-21

            nor is there a table of contents until the Catholic Church decided on the canon and put these books together in 397 AD.

            God put the books together, not men. And the fact catholic doctrines contradicts GOd’s Word on so many levels shows they’re not following God, like so many other false religions. How do we know? We search the Scriptures daily, to see if things a church teaches really are so.

            “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
            Acts 17:11

            God doesn’t condemn Catholic doctrines because he lead Church leaders

            Catholicism is not God’s church, so claiming He led them as any sort of “proof” that what they say is truth is circular reasoning. Pointing out how catholics of the past rejected what God’s Word says doesn’t make what they say true.

            Here are more Scripture catholic doctrine violates, on top of getting people totrust in preist’s weekly sacrifices on their altar, as if Christ’s sacrifice was not the final sacrifice.

            “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
            Mark 7:7

            “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
            Acts 8:36-37

            “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
            Matthew 23:5-10

            “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
            Ephesians 2:8-10

            “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
            Romans 4:4-5

            “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven [carved] image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
            Exodus 20:4

            “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
            Isaiah 42:8

            “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
            1 Timothy 2:5

            “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
            Luke 1:46-47

            “And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
            Luke 11:27-28

            “And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
            Mark 3:33-35

            “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he [Jesus] did once, when he offered up himself.”
            Hebrews 7:27

            “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
            Hebrews 10:10

            “Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
            Acts 16:29-31

            “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
            Matthew 7:13-15

            “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
            Matthew 7:21-23

            “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”
            Revelation 22:8-9

            “And [Jesus] said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
            Mark 4:9

            Born again believers in God do not defend any denomination but instead defend Christ and His Word. Pelople in false religions defend their denomination instead. In the end it’s God we’ll have to convince, and we have only to even begin to imagine how that will go.

            Those who are trusting on sacrifices on an altar each week, are calling Mary a co-redeemer, are claiming she was born without the stain of original sin, are claiming we’re saved by literally eating Christ’s blood and body and so on are showing they’re not yet saved, trusting on a false religion’s doctrines instead of Christ and His Word. If they are shown verses that prove otherwise and they reject it, they’re showing they’re likely also not yet saved.

            I challenge catholics to actually read God’s Word – as many who have come out of it point out they always lied and claimed they read it when they didn’t, once they did they realize how catholicism is outright anti-Christ deception while pretending to follow Christ and many are deceived by it.

            Do not follow any denomination – follow Christ and His Word.

            Unfortunately too many are using their denomination as an excuse to not follow God’s Word, as if that will give them an excuse before God as if it’s not their fault. Nothing could be further from the truth – willful ignorance will not save any of us.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Your reasoning is circular . You claim that each born again believer receives the Holy Spirit who leads every born again believer to truth , yet there are still 55 000 Churched which contradict each other ( which included thousands of born again believers/churches who contradict each other regarding interpretation of scripture/truth . You can also throw those scriptures to anyone who disagrees with you . You say you follow Christ and his word , however his word requires interpretation . There is only one right answer to truth . Born again believers debate each other all the time and start new churches because they disagree on interpretation of God’s word .

            I do this because of your hate, ignorance ,self righteousness against us Catholics and the Catholic Church. If I was black Catholic I would label you a racist . If you are going to argue against me do what I suggested at least you will be arguing from what we really teach then what you think we teach . I am saved also, not just you .

            You will also find some of the scripture you quote has a answer.

            Pil 2:12 ” work out you salvation in fear and trembling ”

            James 2;26 ” Faith without works is dead ”

            Gal 5:6 – only thing that counts is faith working through love

            1 Cor 13:2 ” ” if i have faith so as o move mountains ,but do not have love , I am nothing”

            Jn 14:15 ” if you love me , you will keep my Commandments ”

            Mt 19: 16-17 ” teacher what must I do to have to gain eternal life. He answered them” why do you ask me about good. there is only One who is good.” if you wish to enter into life , keep the Commandments”

            James 2: 14-24 ” ” a man is justified by works and NOT by faith alone ”

            Eph 2:5-,8 ” By grace you have been saved through faith ”

            Grace +Faith+Works=Salvation. Its like a three legged stool , take one leg out it , it falls apart. For Catholics it not Faith vs Works it AND/BOTH. My works alone won’t save me and My faith alone wont save me . All three work together. I made a good argument ( on this one point ) but your hate will not allow you to see clearly . And as a result anything sounding like I good Catholic defence will be denied because of hate .

            I could answer some of your other scripture quotes and surprise/shock you .It is hard to argue with someone who insists the other damned and deceived . My Church teaches you are fully Christian and I will always show you that respect and Love . But I will always call a spade a spade Brother .

          • Reason2012

            Your reasoning is circular . You claim that each born again believer receives the Holy Spirit who leads every born again believer to truth, yet there are still 55 000 Churched which contradict each other

            No, I’m not the one that claims that each born again believer in God receives the Holy Spirit who leads every born again believer to truth, God is. I cited the verse. Please personally ask yourself why catholic doctrine ignores them.

            Secondly, Jesus points out that many people who call Him “Lord” will still be cast into hell – doesn’t nullify God’s truth.

            Matthew 7:21-23 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

            Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

            How many people were saved from the flood out of countless millions?
            Eight.
            Eight out of MILLIONS. We’re kidding ourselves if we think numbers means a thing when it comes to God’s truth. Only one family was following God – only one family was saved out of MILLIONS.

            So for those who THINK they are saved, how do they know they will face God and not be cast out? By making sure they’re really in the faith, that their own fruits bear testimony they are actually saved by grace and so on, not simply fooling themselves by following a denomination’s doctrines instead of God’s Word, for example.

            If a person is sinning and couldn’t care less, is not even trying to stop, this is a case of a person who needs a reality check to make sure they’re really saved – really believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is where we’re warned to work out our own salvation to see if we’re really in the faith, or just deceiving ourselves.

            which included thousands of born again believers/churches

            A church (congregation of professing Christians) is not “born again” – only individuals are. And pointing to false churches that show themselves such by perverting God’s Word as if that shows there’s a “problem” with believing we cannot interpret God’s Word is foolishness at best.

            You can also throw those scriptures to anyone who disagrees with you.

            No, we don’t throw out Scripture – only false religions do that as do those who defend them instead of defending God and His Word. But many people who attend churches do not care if the church they are in are violating God’s Word – to many, church is a “just in case” venture, and “just in case” is to not be believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing on works to save is not believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

            Behold all the false churches that expose their deception by ordaining women pastors, or by acting like God is fine with same-gender ‘marriages’, for example. To try counting those as churches that “might” be right about God’s Word is deception – same goes with the rest. They show by their own doctrines they are not following God – not being led by Him. We follow God, not churches.

            You say you follow Christ and his word , however his word requires interpretation.

            God gives His truth to every believer freely – it’s not open to private interpretation where only a select few can let you know what it means. Search Scripture daily to see if things you are taught are really so, God tells us.

            Catholicism instead teaches to not search Scripture, but just take the word for it of a few men who will “let you know” what God’s Word says. Deception, friend. It’s God we’ll have to convince. Mankind shall not live by bread alone, Jesus says, but by every Word of God. Catholicism implicitly instead tells them to not live by every Word of God, but instead to live by what they instead tell people.

            There is only one right answer to truth. Born again believers debate each other all the time and start new churches because they disagree on interpretation of God’s word.

            A person who starts a church because they want to support same-gender marriages, or ordain women pastors, or promote other perversions are likely not “born again believers”. Calling them such is foolish at best.

            But yes, there’s only one right answer to truth. So when people claim that same-gender marriage is “that truth”, they are showing they’re just deceived and deceivers and should be avoided. And the count of false churches rises. Then peole try to point to false churches as if this means we cannot interpret God’s Word, but must rely on a few men from one denomination – more deception.

            Catholics did the same thing, except they’re just another deceiving denomination pushing their own anti-Christ doctrines, sacrifices, eating flesh to be saved, Mary co-redeemer, call many people you do not even know your father, create statues, lift up a man (pope) and so much more.

            I do this because of your hate, ignorance ,self righteousness against us Catholics and the Catholic Church.

            If a person admits they run red lights, it’s not “hate, ignorance, self righteousness” to point out the consequences for the actions they make clear they do. It’s called caring for the individuals hoping they come to that truth. It’s unfortunate some would try to call this “hate”. Perhaps the only hate is the hate for hearing the truth.

            If I was black Catholic I would label you a racist.

            Not sure what that has to do with anything.

            If you are going to argue against me do what I suggested at least you will be arguing from what we really teach then what you think we teach . I am saved also, not just you.

            I cite Scripture, but you ignore it. Why is that? People that believes eating flesh saves them, or that believes Mary is a co-redeemer, or that believes sacrifices each week saves them, or believes works save them – that Christ is not enough – are not believing on Jesus Christ, but a false version of Him. Dangerous to say the least. In the end it’s God we’ll have to convince, and others are just trying to point out the danger, at the risk of receiving hate from the hearer.

            You will also find some of the scripture you quote has a answer.

            Ignoring Scripture is not an “answer” to Scripture.

            For example, God makes it clear works do not save – that we’re saved by grace. I cited almost 100 verses. Catholic doctrines ignore all of them, they’ll cite one verse as if it does say “works save”, yet it seems to not bother them at all that so many places God makes it clear workss do NOT save – that we’re saved by grace.

            “And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
            Luke 18:9-14

            James 2;26 ” Faith without works is dead “

            Yes, read the book of James, not just 5 words of it. Knowing that we are saved by grace alone, the entire book is about people who then claim they are saved by faith, but their works expose this claim as false. So your works do not save you, but are visual evidence of whether a person’s claim to be saved is really true or not.

            It’s like a person who claims to love his wife. If he’s cheating on her left and right, his works show his claim to love her is a lie. By contrast, a person who is faitful to his wife in thought, word and deed is showing it’s likely true that he loves his wife.

            And so it goes with those who say they are saved – that they love God. Their works are a manifestation of this claim, whether it’s likely true or not.

            Jn 14:15 ” if you love me , you will keep my Commandments “

            Yes, the love comes first – being saved comes first – if we’re saved, we’ll keep His Commandments (not that we’ll be 100% perfect, but we’ll be trying to be). Doesn’t mean we’re saved by works.

            Mt 19: 16-17 ” teacher what must I do to have to gain eternal life. He answered them” why do you ask me about good. there is only One who is good.” if you wish to enter into life , keep the Commandments”

            Read the rest of the exchange. Jesus is responding to a person who thinks keeping the law saves Him, so Jesus points out that yes, if you’re 100% perfect, sinless, you can be saved -but no one is sinless except Christ.

            James 2: 14-24 ” ” a man is justified by works and NOT by faith alone “

            Just like a man claiming to love his wife, but cheats on her all the time is proving he does not love her at all. His love for her is justified – shown to be true – by his works.

            If you wish to believe salvation is by debt, that God owes you salvation because of your works, it’s God you’ll have to convince. No matter how many believe the lie, it won’t make the lie any more true. Imagine appearing before God and pointing out He owes you salvation because of what you’ve done, because what Christ did is not enough – that you get part of the glory instead of God / Christ getting all the glory.

            Eph 2:5-,8 ” By grace you have been saved through faith ” Grace +Faith+Works=Salvation.

            No, grace = salvation. Faith and works are the manifestation of that salvation.

            You have only to ask yourself why catholicism ignores all the verses that make it clear we are saved by grace, NOT saved by works, to instead hold to a false interpretation of other verses.

            “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
            Ephesians 2:8-9

            Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;”
            Titus 3:5

            “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
            Galatians 2:16

            “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
            Romans 4:4-5

            How do we know if a person really is saved, then? Their works show it.
            How do we know if a person really loves his wife? His works show it.

            Of course God will know for sure, but people who claims to be saved, but lives as if they’re not, are only fooling themselves, which is what “man is justified by works” or “faith without works is dead” is speaking of.

            I’m nothing and am as deserving of hèll as anyone else – it’s only be grace I’m saved – I can only point these things out – I cannot convince anyone of anything. I’m sorry if hearing these things offends you – I only ask you look past possible offense and read again the book of James and other complete passages, instead of a handful of words catholic activists point out.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            I also cited versus which you have ignored . If you can show me any document ( in 2000 years ) which the Catholic Church claims we are saved by works alone, show me .

            Your comments show me you have never read the Catechism of The Catholic Church or any Catholic apologetic book . as a result you have misrepresented Catholic doctrine . Tell me the truth have you ever read the Catechism of The Catholic Church ?

            We are born again of ” water and Spirit ” and that is Baptism .Peter himself says ” Baptism ..now saves you ” 1 Peter 3:21 . When Jesus was Baptised with water ( not abiotic fluid ) and the Holy Spirit descended on him it = ” water and spirit ” = born again. At least Martin Luther and Calvin would agree with me .

            I agree we need a reality check but you tie your own interpretation to works and forget all the other scriptures I gave you . So instead of machine gunning me with a bunch of accusation stick with one topic at a time . I agree with you that works are a manifestation of our faith . Faith is the foundation and works are the result or manifestation of our faith . The Catholic Church would agree with you ( refer to Council of Trent and other books I have suggested ) The Catholic Church does not teach what you claim . I have not ignored Grace . And it is you who claims that we believe we are saved by works alone . A person just has to read the documents that I suggested and reference them .

            If your saved by faith alone there is no need to second guess ( examinee ) yourself , if you believe once saved always saved . But Christ says to have life we must keep the commandments Mt 19:1-17. A ” dead faith ” saves on one. And nowhere does it say in God’s word ” he was never a Christian in the first place. ”

            I agree there are Churches that teach false doctrine in which we both could agree on is false .

            The Catholic Church teaches not to search the scriptures ? Show me where that is taught in our Catechism . You exclaim only a select few know the true interpretation of scripture , who are these people or Churches ? Are you one of the few infalible people ? Or are they the Baptist ,Presbyterians ( calvinists) , Lutherans , Pentecostals , Quakers …………………………………………………………………………………………. By the way all of these Churches divided over doctrine . Doctrine is defined as something that is taught . The Word of God does not interpret itself ( Just read John 6 ) All these Churches ( including yourself ) teach their understanding of the Word of God

            The Catholic activists have said and maintained a consensus for 2000 years. Ever other Church was started by men .If you read the early Church Fathers you will see we have a presidence from the beginning .You can see for yourself how the early Bishops interpreted God’s word . They were the “select few ” from the beginning .

            Read Catholicism and Fundamentalism or The Case For Catholicism . These books use God’s Word , historical facts and the writings of the early Christians . If you are right you should be able to counter our arguments without any problem . Nor will you be able to misrepresent Catholic teaching in the future .

            Thank You for your last statement . I am offended of other peoples misrepresentations of my Church without reading what we actually teach . I really understand the argument and counter arguments having done apologetics for 30 years . I do understand you are doing this because you believe you are sharing the truth . As a matter of fact I am not trying to convert you , only challenge . I am a Christian , not a second class one .

          • Darrel Slugoski

            I agree God Grace saves us . My last post state that . I said nowhere in scripture does it say we are ” saved by faith alone “. To continue would be going in circles. I gave you my scriptural defense . I agree that our works are a manifestation , I have no argument there and it is Catholic teaching if you care to look it up. Nowhere have I said works alone saves us . Nor does the Catholic Church teach salvation is by debt . Salvation is a gift we do not earn by our works It is you saying thats what we believe . If you are going to tell me what I believe then quote it from the Catechism Of The Catholic Church. I am sure you never read the book ( or any Catholic Apologetic book ) The 10 Commandments were not done away with . Paul is talking about the Jewish law which include over 600 practices . ( Go to any Jewish website if you do not believe me and see for yourself and see what they believe about works and the law for 1000s of years )( it include dietary practices , circumcision……..). A extremely important concept , in which Non Catholic Christians misunderstand . The Catholic Church does not follow works of the Jewish law or tells ts members to follow the Jewish law . We do follow the 10 commandments .

            Many people in these Churches claim they are ‘born again’. We are born again of water ( not aminotic fluid ) and spirit , which is Baptism . At least Martin Luther and Calvin would agree . When Jesus came out of the water and the Holy Spirit descended it was during Baptism . Peter says ” Baptism ..now saves you. ” No where in scripture will you find the Sinners Prayer . But you will find the reference to Baptism .through out the NT . True the thief was saved, but that was not the norm . The Catholic Church alows for such circumstances under emergencies . Those Christian heard the Gospel and then were saved by Baptism . And as Peter said “Baptism now saves you ” 1 Peter 3:21 They were taught that first and then were saved by doing what they were taught .

            The Catholic Church encourages its members to read the scripture and Search it . Your the one telling me what is truth and what is false, so its no different . You seem to consider your understanding to be the truth .

            Be honest have you ever read the Catechism Of The Catholic Church. If you have not then you cant claim to know what we teach . Any one can throw out a bunch of Scriptures but they have to be out in context .

  • Reason2012

    “For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.” Romans 10:2-3

  • Reason2012

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    Matthew 7:21-23

    “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:13-15

    “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
    Philippians 2:12

    “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
    Proverbs 1:7

  • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

    One of the easiest ways to expose the Cathlic nonsense is by plain peruse of the Christian Bible. As there is only one Christian Bible, AV 1611, when dealing with the Papists, the Christian can simply read the appropriate verses in their proper historical, grammatical, textual and situational context to refute all their heresies! We can also cite work of esteemed Biblical scholars like David Daniels and Wally Langford to refute any Jesuitic lies relative to our Christian Bible. Praise and Glory!

    • Kevin Scott

      It is spelled CATHOLIC. And they do not like being called “papists”.

      • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

        Kevin:

        Should the Christian care about all the delicate sensibilities of Papists, Dakists, Mooslims, Russian Ortho’s and all the other false Christians, in the name only? NOT! In our Christian Bible, Jesus never cared to “offend” anyone, from high priest of the Jew to common Roman to fake believers (John 8:44). Therefore, in following the example of our beloved baby Jesus, neither shall we!

        • Silas Jennings

          Ask yourself why it is necessary to resort to derogatory names and spellings of the groups you hate to support your use of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            Silas:

            Despite of the Christian blocking you and will follow with intent to report your anti-Christian demeanor to the administration of this, supposedly Christian, site, here is the answer to your inane inquiry.

            Relative to to you claims that the Christian hates Cathlics, Mooslims, sodomites, or other satanists (Matthew 12:30), who do you think you are to attempt such proposition? It is clear that in your laity, you wouldn’t know first thing about any logical fallacies, no less that regarding the ” true Scotsman” (which is only applicable if used outside the definitionary boundaries of a “Scotsman”). In you failed attempt to use loaded statements, implying that various denominations of satanism, including Catholicism, atheism, Moohamadanism, Dakism, Anglicanism, etc., are being hated by the Christian, you forgot the simple detail of the matter that rejecting someone’s boloney DOES NOT EQUAL hatred. You insolent milksop, it would behoove you to open up the Christian Bible, and then engage your brain relative to the teachings and propositions within, and then do the math to adjudicate yourself the fact that you’re talking to a real Christian here!

          • Silas Jennings

            You are not the the owner of the word “Christian”, Tony, and fortunately your hatred of other denominations does not automatically strip them of their Christian status. In fact when people read your post, so full of derogatory name-calling and how this supposedly makes you a “real” Christian, you drive people away from the Christian faith in droves. Why you think your behavior is something to be emulated rather than pitied is beyond me.

    • YoikesAndAway

      You know for someone who claims to have a PHD et al you need to get educated.

    • BuckeyePhysicist

      One Bible? You’re saying one must read English to be saved?

      • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

        Buckeye:

        Relative to the matter of there being only one Christian Bible in Jesus’ chosen language of English, the answer is yes! It was written by Jesus Himself, revealed through His prophets and disciples, and Divinely Preserved in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek within the Textus Receptus. We have research from esteemed and illustrious Biblical scholars, such as the ones cited in my original comment, relative to this fact.

        It would also behoove you to undertake a study of the Christian Bible to learn what it takes to achieve Salvation. I’m going to issue you a hint within this very comment. To wit: people don’t get Saved by reading the Bible, but by Grace of our beloved baby Jesus! Duh!

        • BuckeyePhysicist

          Jesus’ “chosen language” is English?!?? That’s the most blasphemous Anglo-centric heresy I’ve ever read. May God forgive you!

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            Buckeye:

            Are you really that dumb, or is it that your reading comprehension skills suffer from poor vision. Perhaps due to a certain sin common among pubescent males growing in homes without proper parental attention causing a lack of saltpeter in their nutrition? If you attempt to use your Jesus-given brain, you may want to backtrack to the T-man’s comment, where the following is explicitly stated to refute your paganistic line of thought:

            “It would also behoove you to undertake a study of the Christian Bible to
            learn what it takes to achieve Salvation. I’m going to issue you a
            hint within this very comment. To wit: people don’t get Saved by
            reading the Bible, but by Grace of our beloved baby Jesus! Duh!”

            Got it?

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            Buckeye:

            Which part of “To wit: people don’t get Saved by reading the Bible, but by Grace of our beloved baby Jesus! Duh!” do you not get?

  • Herb Planter

    Catholics are the biggest cult in the world along with islam, plz help save them

    • Just1Name

      They need a lot of prayers for OPEN hearts to God’s TRUTH to be in them.

  • TruthvLIes

    I believe I am monkey but I am having a hard time convincing anyone which is a pity because I love bananas.

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    That’s right. If you’re full of grace you’re free from sin.

    • Heidi K.

      When we are born again Christians we have the indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT. We are supposed to follow JESUS but might still sin.

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        Exactly. There’s a difference between original sin and the temporal sins we commit in this life.

        • James Staten

          go study how the blood system works between a baby and it’s Mother. The Father’s blood is the determining factor. Royal blood flowed in his veins. No where in the gestation system does the Mother’s blood and the baby’s blood systems connect. If they do there is something terribly wrong.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            You’re claiming Jesus Christ was conceived naturally and not by the Holy Spirit?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            He could not be born the God/Man in any other fashion than to have the essence of man and God …… “the word became flesh” John 1 … Marys lineage is given in scripture …. none of her family were sinless …. and what you are positing is conjecture and not scripture ……. Mary acknowledged her own need for a Savior ….. the sinless do not require a Savior …..

          • Just1Name

            Where does he say that? Jesus Father is GOD. So His blood was PURE.
            Mary had a fallen to sin father. Her blood was not pure.

        • LynnRH

          I read and study the King James Bible and I’ve never read anything about Mary had to be sinless in order to carry baby Jesus in her womb. Only that she was a virgin.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            King James version is the protestant version thus its many errors and omissions.

          • LynnRH

            That’s your opinion. Not mine. I believe in my bible. I could say the same about the catholic bible.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Well then stop passing judgement on what you don’t understand.

          • LynnRH

            Not passing judgement. Just saying I believe in the King James bible. You don’t have to if you don’t want to. You seem to be “sounding off” yourself. LOL

      • ppp777

        Well said .

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      as are all those born again and who have Christs imputed sinless nature ….. when the Father looks at us … he sees His Son who is sinless …..

      (1) the sin of Adam is imputed to all his descendants, i.e., it is reckoned as theirs, and they are dealt with therefore as guilty; (2) the righteousness of Christ is imputed to them that believe in him, or so attributed to them as to be considered their own; and (3) our sins are imputed to Christ, i.e., he assumed our “law-place,” undertook to answer the demands of justice for our sins. In all these cases the nature of imputation is the same ( Romans 5:12-19 ; Compare Philemon 1:18 Philemon 1:19 ).

    • Just1Name

      All God’s Children get a fresh dose of Grace & Mercy each day.
      Yet, b/c we are human & Fallen, we still sin.
      The only Sinless One to ever walk the earth, was a Perfect Jesus.
      Mary was neither perfect, or sinless. And had at least 6 other children after she gave birth to Jesus.
      She was only a Virgin for Christ.
      Don’t let your priest keep lying to you about that. When they lie about 1 thing, there’s plenty more you’re believing.
      Ask Jesus to Reveal the Truth to you.

  • Heidi K.

    Yesterday the pope wanted to change the LORD’S prayer now he declares that Mary was without sin! Mary was a regular human, goodly but still a sinner, she understood that she needed a savior like everyone else:
    46Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! 48For He has looked with favor on the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed.… Luke 1:46-55

  • Reason2012

    From the spiritual perspective, catholicism is worst than islam – no one’s going to be fooled into thinking they were believing on the Lord Jesus Christ by following islam. If you’re in the catholic religion, read your Bible, starting with the gospels – it will become clear quickly how catholicism is just the pharisees reborn, how they violate God’s Word in so many, many ways, leaving all those who follow their doctrines still guilty before God until they come out of it.

    • Just1Name

      Careful what you say about which bible to read. They have their own, you know.

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Jesus honored His father and His mother. Be like Jesus.

    • ppp777

      Correction , step father , but he did not worship her .

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        No one worships Mary.

        • ppp777

          Catholics certainly do .

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            I’m Catholic. I’ve been Catholic all my life. Never once have I worshiped anyone but God.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Praise the Lord for that (worshipping only God).

            Then you take God’s Word as Holy? And believe all that He has to say in it? And reject (as we are admonished to do in the Scripture) everything contrary to God’s Word?

            Marvelous. Then be a “Berean” who Paul says were more honorable because they ‘received the teaching and SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURE DAILY to see if these things (teachings) were so”

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            The Bereans had only the Old Testament.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            And from the Old Testament they very clearly knew whether what they were hearing from the Apostles, as well as those masquerading as Apostles, was True or false. Thus we now have a verified New Testament (the teachings of the Apostles, verified by the Old Testament scripture) in addition. How truly blessed WE are.

            By studying the Old Testament, which points to Jesus’ coming, and the New Testament, which shows us Jesus and the fulfillment of God’s plan of redemption, you, too can see that salvation is in no one else, but Jesus.

            Mary, fortunate woman to have been chosen to the role of the vessel of incarnation, is just a woman.
            Jesus, himself made sure that we would not elevate her more highly than this:
            “…a woman in the crowd raised her voice and told him, “How blessed is the womb that gave birth to you and the breasts that nursed you!” But he said, “Instead, how blessed are those who hear God’s word and obey it!” (Luke 11:27,28)

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Luke 1:48. “From now on all generations will call me blessed.”

            Of course salvation is just from Jesus. Have you read John 14:6?

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Of course salvation is only from God through Jesus. Scriptures make that very clear.
            Therefore many of the Catholic church doctrines concerning Mary stand in opposition to the Scriptures by giving Mary a role that the Bible – God’s Word – does not.

            As for calling someone blessed – we are all blessed who have received salvation from God by faith in the finished redemptive work of Jesus. That does not make us sinless (see 1 John 1:8-10) it makes us forgiven.

            Even the current generation (Jesus’ generation) was told not to make too much of being the vessel chosen of God to carry out God’s will of sending Jesus to be in-the-flesh (see Luke 11:27-28)

            To God be the glory. The rest of us (including Mary) are blessed of God and desire to be used by God to carry out the will of God and bring the Good News of salvation to all who will listen.

          • Just1Name

            Have you ever prayed the rosary? Knealt in front of her statue & prayed, as so many do? Lit a candle to her, or any # of other Idols in the Catholic Church?
            Do you believe that the ‘host’ in your mouth actually becomes Christ body & the juice or wine becomes His blood in you?
            Have you gone to confession to have a mere man forgive your sins against God? Men ordained by other men, are NOT able to forgive any man’s sin! Only sin covered by the blood of Jesus is forgiven by a Holy God.
            You are not to seek forgiveness from man, unless it is an offense done between the 2. Not overall sin done, against God. That sin is washed clean only thru Jesus.
            Many Catholics worship Mary & believe she is an intercessor to God for them, when they pray to her. When in fact, it’s ONLY Jesus who is intercessor.
            Jesus is the ONLY bridge between man & God. We are to pray to NO ONE, except Jesus & God, in Jesus name. Many man made ‘saints’ occupy space in the Catholic Church & teachings. They are NOT saints, at all. ALL who trust their lives to Christ alone, are His saints.
            God’s Church is not the Catholic Church. It is comprised of every single person in the world who has ever Accepted Jesus as their Risen Lord & Savior. Regardless of what their religious background is.
            God’s Church is made up of people from ALL former walks of faith & beliefs.
            Many Catholics believe THEY are God’s Church. NO they are not. Only SAVED Catholics are part of His Church. And when one is truly saved, they repent of their sins. They don’t keep repeating them, thinking they will just go to the confessional the end of the week & have a man say they’re forgiven & give them a list of prayers to take to the alter. That is NOT forgiveness.

            Even Mary knew she needed Jesus to save her sin stained soul. As she was born into original sin, as everyone else was/is.
            The Catholic Church is dangerous to anyone who does not know the true word of God. Unfortunately, that is too many. As they rely on their priests to tell them in 15-20 min a week. Most never hear a thing the rest of the time, nor crack open a Bible, let alone bring it to church with them, take notes, etc.
            They are ruled over by their Pope of the time. What HE says, goes with that church. And that has been & will be its downfall. Following MAN, over JESUS.
            The Catholic Church has changed their rules & laws many times over the years. Yet God’s rules & laws NEVER change. He is the same, yesterday, today & forever.
            It’s ALL About JESUS here. Always has been. Always will be.
            If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord & Risen Savior & give your heart to Him, you will be saved.
            You confess your sins to Christ & ask God’s forgiveness In Jesus precious name. You ask to be baptized with His Holy Spirit, so you will have wisdom, knowledge of His Word & discernment. His Spirit is what teaches us & brings His Word to life in our hearts. It’s who changes us, from the inside, out. So people who know us See & Experience that change, that ONLY comes from His Spirit being w/in us.
            Then, you get into a bible study that teaches the Word as it is written, led by His Spirit. Not by a man’s opinion & personal interpretation.
            His Word will have new meaning for you & bring you new life.
            Be Blessed by it.

          • TruthvLIes

            I read the other day that transubstantiation was invented in 1215 by the pope that was running things at that time.

            So sad isn’t it that for the previous 1215 years they had been wasting their time.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Read John 6 . This is the only time his disciples left him. Read the early Church Fathers . They believed it . The evidence is there . The Pope defined the doctrine all you have to do is read the early Church Fathers to see if they believed it . Start at the first 100 years and see if what I am saying is true .

          • Just1Name

            What’s most sad, & disturbing, is the millions who are led astray by this religious cult. Totally brainwashed people. Most from birth, so very difficult to get them to see JESUS, as the Heart & Soul of Everything!
            Turn their lives fully to JESUS, for everything. Not a man, who they think has some greater power or is somehow closer & wiser, b/c He is called a priest, bishop, cardinal, or pope.
            They are NO more knowledgeable, or close to God, than the rest of them. Nor do they have any more power. Just power OVER their lost sheep, who continue to follow them blindly.
            Staunch Catholics can be more difficult to realize it’s all about Jesus, ALONE, than Muslims. I’ve seen Muslims more open to the Truth of The Word, than Catholics willing to lay their ingrained lies aside.
            They will hold to Mary & their rosary like it’s their Salvation in hand.
            Like SHE is the One that will get them to God, b/c SHE will go before Him in prayer & intercession.
            The rosary is an Abomination! 10 prayers to an IDOL, for every ONE Lord’s Prayer, that was THE Prayer taught by Jesus.
            Catholics made up the ‘Hail Mary’!
            Lord, help them SEE & REPENT the Error of their ways.

          • Silas Jennings

            No they don’t.

        • Off Shore

          “No one will ever be the servant of the Son without serving the Mother.” -Saint Ildephonsus, Bishop, d. 667 AD

          “Devotion to you, O Blessed Virgin, is a means of salvation which God gives to those whom he wishes to save.” -Saint John Damascene, Father and Doctor of the Church, 676-787 AD

          ”It is impossible to save one’s soul without devotion to Mary and without her protection.” -Saint Anselm, Archbishop and Doctor of the Church, 1033-1109 AD

          ”Let not that man presumes to look for mercy from God who offends His Holy Mother! -Saint Louis Marie de Montfort, 1673-1716 AD

          “Always stay close to this Heavenly Mother, because she is the sea to be crossed to reach the shores of Eternal Splendour.” -Saint Padre Pio, 1887-1968 AD

          Pope Benedict XV

          And after this, can men be found who deem it wrong to call thee The Way of Life? O Mary, thou art the hope and refuge of humble sinners; thou healest them whose hearts are sick from crime, and thou winnest salvation for them who repent. Thou art the glory and helper of those who have confidence in thee; and by thy prayers thou obtainest the reward of eternal life for them who serve thee.

          As a roman catholic you better be worshiping her since your salvation depends on her prayers.

          Again you bow down to her, you pray to her, she was sinless, she is part of your salvation process, and you have crowned her and you tell me that you don’t worship her… sure you don’t.

          Go the lady of guadalupe and tell me that roman catholics don’t worship her. You are only kidding yourselves because God and the rest of us see it as clear as day your ACTIONS prove that you do.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Devotion? Yes! Love? Yes! Venerate! Yes! Call blessed? Yes! Worship? No!

          • Off Shore

            Again you bow down to her, you pray to her, she was sinless, she is part
            of your salvation process, and you have crowned her.

            That is worship!
            You can rename it to venerate all you want to, but it’s the same actions as God gets. It may be a lesser worship, but it’s still worship and in the eyes of God it leads straight to Hell.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            To call her “mother of God” is to elevate her to above God, or at the very least equal to God.

            To call her “queen of heaven” is to elevate her to equal with God who is King of Heaven

            To consider her “enthroned above” as the Catholic hymn “Hail Holy Queen”says is to put her on equal footing with God

            To say (as St. Anselm does) that “it is impossible to save one’s soul without devotion to Mary” is to contradict Scripture that says (a) “for there is no other name under heaven given unto men, by which you must be saved” and (b) “I [Jesus} am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by Me” and (c) “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (d) “all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved” (e) “if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” and (f) “God sent His Son into the world, so that the world might be saved through Him” and hundreds of other passages as well. In none, ever, is ANYONE else mentioned as being necessary to save one’s soul or to be protected – just Jesus.

            You may use words like “devotion”, “love”, “venerate (that is to hold with respect)” – but the Catholic Church elevates her role to that of being necessary for salvation, and her being to that of ruler of heaven – both of which are GOD’s DOMAIN ALONE.

            So. Yes, the Catholic Church calls for her worship, lest you find yourself suffering your greatest fears: “the loss of heaven and the pains of hell”

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            We call Mary “Mother of God” to emphasize the divinity of Christ.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            To emphasize the divinity of Christ simply call Him by His name: Son of God.
            That way you show his equality with God – which the Bible says He has had from eternity past – and you don’t accidentally or intentionally elevate a human man or woman to the status of somehow “birthing” God.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            I’m Catholic. You’re not. You know nothing about my faith beyond what those stupid Jack Chick tracts erroneously claim. We don’t worship Mary, period. I just wish I could understand why Protestants hate her so much. It’s sickening.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Friend, I am no fan of Jack Chick or his tracts. They are trite, often obnoxious, and condemning, but offer no picture of the God who is love.

            I also am no hater of Mary. Mary was a marvelous example of one who accepted God’s plan without complaint and carried out her part to the best of her ability. We could all learn a lot from Mary.

            I have also shared Scripture with you, and shown where Scripture is in disagreement with the official (published) position of the Catholic Church concerning one particular issue – that of Mary’s person, position, and role. I believe that Scripture speaks for itself and that it is always superior to opinion, common practice, or tradition.

            The only truly important issue that all men (women, too, of course) must consider is: have you received God’s solution to the problem of sin and death? The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
            There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men, by which we must be saved.

            Put your faith in Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That’s the good news of the Gospel that Jesus commanded we go into all the world preach to every creature.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            This is progress. I’m happy you don’t follow the lies promulgated by Jack Chick. I hope he made it to heaven.

            You seem to forget St. Paul counters the “sola scriptura” argument. In 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 2 Timothy 2:2 we see the great apostle writing about keeping teachings by written word or by word of mouth. We also read where St. John writes of this in his gospel in chapter 6, verses 30-31.

            Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition form Verbum Dei, the Word of God. We Catholics LOVE the Bible and no one reads more from it as church than we do. What we reject is the “tradition of men” in Matthew 15 where Jesus lectures the Pharisees on false holiness. Sacred Tradition is part of the Word. The tradition of men is not.

            The Catholic Church is all about Jesus Christ. He is Lord and Savior and I’m happy you agree there is no other way to be saved. We Catholics worship God and Him alone; no one else.

          • TruthvLIes

            If that is the case, why did the catholics that i worked with in the Catholic Education System tell me they do worship mary? Is a case that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing?

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Who ever said that has not read the Catechism of the Catholic Church .

          • Just1Name

            What are the names of these false teaching churches? If you know so many, you shouldn’t be afraid to call them out on their false teachings.
            ???

          • TruthvLIes

            You are not likely to get an answer to your question when the accusation is all hot air.

          • Just1Name

            I realize that. I saw the same lies posted by him with others, so called him out on it.
            Fact is, many people form ALL beliefs have had abortions & are gay.
            Including thousands of ‘Catholics’.
            Sin, including sexual, does not pick & choose its slaves. It covers ALL.
            No other church was so full of child Sexual PREDATORS & coverups, than the Catholic Church. There has been more than 1 abortion to cover up a sexual liaison between a priest & parishioner. And I’m sure more than 1 gay priest in their fold. I’ve seen the headlines to that, in the past.
            How quickly they forget.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            I believe the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ and other churches have kernels of truth . The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox claim this also . We ( Catholic and Orthodox ) are closer in doctrine then any other Protestant denominations who are divided . You would disagree of course .

          • TruthvLIes

            One. If catholics have not ingested the teaching of something so basic, it does not say much for the teaching of the catholic church.

            Two. This discussion is not about protestants, abortion or same sex marriage.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            While the Christian Post has said statistically most Protestants do not read their bible . I would call your comment a cheap shot .

          • TruthvLIes

            That this post is not about protestants is not a cheap shot. It is the truth.

          • TruthvLIes

            A very silly comment Buckeye. Catholics do worship Mary because they told me they do when i worked in the Catholic Education system as a teacher.

            Have you every thought how sickening it is when catholics deny the truth to defend their religion?

          • Darrel Slugoski

            How many teachers said that . I can tell that many protestants believe in abortion or same sex marriage and it is taught in their Church ,

          • LynnRH

            Not in my protestant church.

          • Just1Name

            Not in mine, either.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Thank God . just have to read in the Christian Post that it is occurring in more and more Churches. Even many Catholics believe in things they shouldn’t but official teaching on abortion same sex marriage has not changed in 2000 years in the Catholic Church . We do have weeds among the wheat .
            There are Catholics that take Mary over board true.However they just have to read official documents like the Catholic Catechism to know we do not worship her .We honor he as the mother of God which the early Church fathers agree. Lk 1:Elizabeth calls he ” Mother of my Lord “> Jesus was both man and God in the womb , it was considered heresy in the early church to consider otherwise . Hence the term ” Mother of God ‘ .It was not to put Mary as equal .but to define the nature of Jesus as fully man and fully God . As well as dealing with the nature of the Trinity .You can even read those documents from the first 400 years of Christianity .
            The Canon of the Bible was decided by Catholic Bishops in 397 ad .They were dealing with different heresies like Gnosticism… during that time and the Holy Spirit guided the Church in these events .Scripture call this Church 1 tim ” the pillar and foundation of truth” and has the right and he gave the power to Peter and the apostles the authority to ” bind and loose. ” .I mention this because there are 55000 different denominations who each claim to have the right interpretation ( bind and loose ) of the bible .I like reading the first Bishops who were lead by the Holy Spirit and had the authority to define the canon Bible and teach against the heresies of the early Church and define doctrine as the need arose to combat these heresies .These same Bishops died for their beliefs . You can read them yourself and find out if they were baptists, lutherans presbyterians …………………………or Catholic in their beliefs .
            It is said Catholic Church makes up doctrines .We believe in the development of doctrine and areas The Bible is understood in the light of tradition. And not the ‘Traditions of men ‘which I consider the many different Protestant interpretations of the Bible. The Bible says ` Cor 11:2 ” hold fast to the traditions i handed on to you ” or 2 Thess ” old fast to to Traditions weather oral or by letter ” 2 Thess 3:6-shun those acting not according to tradition. That is why I like reading the early Church Fathers because they knew the Traditions of the Apostles . You see not everything Jesus said is in scripture Jn 21:25 For example the word abortion is not used in scripture ( President Obama went to a evangelical church which did believe in abortion) but you will read in Didache written in 140 ad about abortion and even contraception and about the eucharist. I trust these early Church Fathers some who studied under the apostilles or were the next generation of Bishops . Our teachings are contained in their writings .I trust them more then I trust the different denominations who can’t even agree with each other . I can tract Catholic teaching to the beginning .

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Praise God

          • Just1Name

            No one, who is a true follower of Christ & knows the Word, believe in either.
            It’s obvious from your ignorant statement, you know nothing of God’s true saints here.
            We are in the End of End Days here. The time of the Laodicean Church, as spoken of, in Rev. 3.
            God clearly warned of these churches, False teachers & False Prophets, that would be plentiful now.
            So it’s especially important to KNOW God’s Word & be plugged in to your relationship with Christ. So His Holy Spirit will give you the gifts of discernment, wisdom & revelation of His Word & the Fallen world around us.
            Time is short. We are to be about our Fathers business & enlighten people to the truth of the Good News of Jesus Christ, our Savior.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Agreed

          • TruthvLIes

            What gave you the idea only teachers work in the catholic education system?

          • Darrel Slugoski

            It is relevant because each church claims they are the only ones who have the correct interpretation of scripture . That cant be true . Luther recognized as her as the mother of God , a virgin until her death .

          • TruthvLIes

            Except that we are not discussing what protestants believe.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Fair enough . Your right . I believe what I have shared is Catholic teaching regarding Mary . The early Protestant reformers like Luther and Calvin , share many of our Catholic beliefs about Mary , just Google it . You would be surprised . The question who has the authority to interpret scripture ?

  • James Staten

    The name Mary is derived from the Hebrew name Miriam, and one of the definitions of this name is “Rebel”. Just goes to show you we are all born Rebels, and Mary is no different. Blessed Yes, but Sinless No.

  • If Mary was without sin she would be alive to this day. Sin is the cause of death.

    • Silas Jennings

      Yes, and Catholics believe she IS alive in Heaven.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        you have to die to get there …..

    • Knowledge Transfer

      Like her Son she is alive today.

      • Just1Name

        All who have died in Christ are alive today.
        Absent from the body, present with the Lord. 2 Cor 5:8
        They just don’t have their perfected bodies yet. Not till the Rapture.
        But they all know perfect joy & peace in His presence.

  • This style 10/6

    This idea that we are all born sinners is so hilariously silly. Because in an Israelite myth a man and a woman ate forbidden fruit, we are all sinners. Come on! Get real.

  • disqus_ExUluNTTRl

    Poor Pope Francis full of deceit and deceiving many.

  • shafawn

    Mary was blessed to be the chosen vessel in which God chose to be born into the world. That doesn’t make Mary sinless. Jesus was NOT a prophet. Jesus was and IS God in the flesh who is now seated at the right hand of God making intercession for the saints. Mary is NOT making intercession for the saints.
    There is only one name under heaven by which man can be saved and that name is JESUS.
    Not Mary .. not a pope.. not a so called ‘saint’ nor Muhammad nor any other false prophet.
    If you have any argument take them up with
    Revelation 19:13
    He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

    • YoikesAndAway

      Explain then why God would chose to be born of a woman who was not sinless, or why he could not have created Mary sinless. God can do whatever He desires.

      • shafawn

        God is pure Holy. Therefore sin brings death. God didn’t want man to die. God knew man could never meet the requirement of the 10 commandments. The instant you break even ONE command even ONE time you are bound for hell.
        So from the beginning God’s plan was to be born in the flesh to a virgin. It didn’t say from the beginning God would be born of Mary giving her name personal significance. No, she was a virgin in the line of David, in the line of Adam.
        And Mary said in Luke 1:47 Mary says –

        and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,Indicating Mary needs a savior.
        Mary’s deed didn’t make Jesus Holy. Jesus makes us Holy by what HE did because HE was and still is God in the flesh without sin.
        John 3:6
        Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
        God NEVER deviates from HIS own WORD

        • LynnRH

          Amen to that. To God be the Glory!!!!!

        • eileen

          Amen Praise the Lord Hallelujah ?

        • Recognizing_Truth

          I upvoted you on your post – very clearly you love the Lord.

          But I just wanted to laugh (in a good way) when you said Jesus “broke death on your behalf”. Honestly, I’ve studied the Word for a long time and heard many others teach from it, but I never heard it put that way before.

          But thinking about it: since He conquered death and it no longer has any ‘victory” or “sting”, it really DOESN”T work on us anymore when we have eternal life through Jesus. So, yeah…it’s “broken”.

          Good way to put it.

          • shafawn

            I was meditating on ‘the wages of sin is death’. Death is the power sin has but since Jesus didn’t sin His death violated that law ergo He broke death. So now I think of it as Jesus broke death that we who live through Him might have life.
            Glory to God!
            God bless you ‘Recognizing Truth’. You made my day 🙂

        • 2Contend…

          Amen and Praise God!

      • LynnRH

        And God DOES do whatever He desires. And He chose to be born of a virgin who was also human. But no where does the Bible state she was sinless. The only human the Bible mentioned that was sinless was Jesus.

        • Knowledge Transfer

          Yes and the sinless Jesus was conceived by the sinless Holy Ghost inside the sinless Mary. Joseph didn’t impregnate Mary and was a foster father both a protector and a guardian.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then why did Mary acknowledge that SHE ALSO needed a SAVIOR …. the sinless do not need or require salvation ……….

          • LynnRH

            Yes the part you mentioned “sinless Jesus conceived by the sinless Holy Ghost” is in my King James Bible. The “sinless Mary” part is not. She was blessed to be chosen to carry and give birth to Jesus. But that doesn’t mean she was sinless. I know i’m blessed abundantly in many ways by my Lord God. But i’m certainly NOT sinless.

          • shafawn

            Exactly .. I am born of the Spirit of Jesus, blessed and full of HIS grace but I still struggle with the flesh every day.

            The only way you can be ‘sinless’ would be to be God- deity

            Plus Mary went on to have other children – Jesus’s half brothers and sisters. How was it that sinless ‘deity’ Mary concerned herself with sex and having children to please her husband if she is a sinless deity?

            Everything about this pope is evil. He is a communist globalist villain full of hypocrisy. In the end the anti-Christ will burn the Vatican with fire when he’s done using her for the whore she is.

          • Just1Name

            This pope is ‘The False Prophet’. Being used by Satan to bring about the 1 World Religion, so the New World Order on the Table, will come about much more smoothly.
            He has met with dozens of different religious leaders, from all over the world @ the Vatican, including many Muslims, in order to bring this travesty about.
            Being the Catholic Religion is the largest of these #’s, they must be on board, as well.
            Once everyone is aligned with the ‘love all, treat all equal’ PC mentality, the Dominoes for the world will begin to fall at a rapid pace, to ring in the Anti Christ, who will continue to deceive the fallen, ignorant masses.
            Francis himself has stated, he believes he is the LAST Pope. So there, He has 1 thing right. Yet, b/c of Prophecy, he cannot stop himself from continuing the countdown, into the Tribulation, which we are now on the cusp of.
            I so look forward to Praising Our Lord & Savior In all things/ways, for all Eternity!
            May our Blessed Hope Jesus, bring you much Joy this holiday season!

          • shafawn

            Amen
            I have a personal theory that the United States is either bombed or the economy collapses to make us a non global power. There are so many clues world leaders have given us about the economy needing a great ‘reset’. They want us using digital currency they can more completely control. Germany and France told their people to put back enough food for 3 months in case of emergency. They are planning all this in advance. And they hate Trump and they probably at this point don’t trust that the United States will get in line with their politically correct NWO plan so I firmly believe it’s just a matter of time before this happens. In the chaos – in the fear and panic of global collapse or nuclear attack…world war breaks out.. catastrophic events will happen and the anti-Christ will emerge to ‘save the world’.
            They are busy putting every city, every state, every nation state and country on the globe into this new digital currency banking system (every human being on the planet has to have a digital footprint) and then they’ll dismantle the propped up US currency and we collapse.
            That’s just my theory but that’s what I believe. We may be here to see the Ezekiel 38 war and Iran is right now building missiles under the ground in Damascus. There is a prophecy stating Damascus will be completely destroyed so that even an animal cannot live there. Right now Damascus is the oldest continually inhabited city in the world but they have a target on them right now because they are very very close to the border of Israel and building missiles.
            I’m thinking that will happen first

          • Just1Name

            Replied, but am being ‘monitored’. No idea why. Must have used a ‘key’ word, somewhere. 😉
            Blessings

          • shafawn

            So much for freedom of speech, yes?

          • BUTAYL

            I think you have some good facts. However, I think the final war will be over God’s law. It will be over worship. Who are we going to worship? Man or God. The Sabbath (Saturday) will be the center of the issue, not a piece of ground in the middle east. Satan wanted to be worshiped. The pope wants to be worshiped. God says that, “If you love me, keep my commandments”. The 4th commandment was removed by the RCC in the 2nd century AD by Constantine. In its place was Sunday worship. This will all come to a head in the last days of this earth’s history. I do not believe that God’s people will be raptured out of it. They will have to go through it. Christ brings His reward with Him when he comes. There will not be seven years of tribulation. That was made up by the RCC to take the heat off of the church during the dark ages. There is too much to discuss in this forum. Just read Revelation 13 and 14 and you will see the connection between Rome and the US. It will not be a political battle but a religious one.

          • shafawn

            Couple things make me question the post trib rapture.

            1. Noah – and his family spared from the wrath of God
            2. Scripture says God did not appoint us to suffer His wrath but to receive salvation (bearing in mind that man’s wrath is very different from God’s wrath)
            3. Scripture Luke 21:36 – Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
            This scripture in particular because first of all it is being spoken to believers not nonbelievers. Secondly being “accounted worthy” would indicate some effort on our part and some judgment on God’s part to be counted worthy … to escape all that is about to happen.
            How would we “escape” it?
            I actually believe there will be born again Christians left on the earth who are not living in the Spirit. They don’t seek God, don’t read His Word, don’t seek a relationship with Him… they had a salvation experience but don’t take up their cross..

            So yes I believe those Christians will be here the day after rapture and they’ll have to go through “jacob’s trouble” along with the Jews.
            It’s just a 7 year period of time .. aimed at the Jews. And from it the Jews will return to the Lord. Until then Christians will go through increasing severe persecution even in the US but that’s still not God’s wrath.
            American Christians think rapture means no suffering. Rapture just means no suffering the seals, trumpets and bowls..

            I will read the scripture you mentioned trying to understand it from your point of view

          • BUTAYL

            There will be no second chance. The Bible says that when Christ returns, He brings His reward with Him. The “seven years of tribulation” is no where in the Bible. The RCC took the last seven weeks (years) of a 2300 day prophecy, took the last week when Jesus was crucified and threw it down to the end of time. It is pure bunk. When Christ returns, He will take the saved back to heaven with Him and the wicked that are alive will die from the His brightness. The earth will lie dormant for a 1,000 year period while the saved are in Heaven. Satan will roam the earth in total darkness. AFTER the 1,000 years, Christ will return with the saved, raise all the wicked dead and burn them with fire. The earth will be made new and the living saints will dwell upon the earth forever. It is so simple, even a child can understand it. There is no second chance. Our preparation is here and now. It will be too late when Christ returns. Judgement is over!

          • shafawn

            You make good points too Butayl. I am grateful our salvation doesn’t hang on our interpretation or understanding of the last days. Because all of us may have some part of it right and parts of it wrong but Christ exchanging our sin for His righteousness and then walking in His love daily is all that truly matters.
            You may be exactly right. I don’t know. All I do know and believe is that we are to love everyone (verb love not noun love) and walk in forgiveness of others.
            I don’t understand where you get 1,000 years Satan will roam the earth in darkness. Do you have a scripture for this? I would be interested in reading that. In my opinion Satan is roaming the world right now and the world is very dark.
            I do believe the saints will come back to earth to live here but it was my understanding that Jesus will set up a 1,000 year reign here on the earth and then Satan will be let loose once again for a short while.
            And then the Lord folds up the earth like a garment and makes a new heaven and a new earth.

          • dust

            Hi shafawn. I was reading through these comments when I noticed yours above. A quick note about it.

            It must be remembered that there is satan’s wrath.
            (Rev 12:12 NKJV) “Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

            And there is God’s wrath.
            (Rev 14:10 NKJV) “he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

            They are not the same thing, but many conflate the two.

            The event commonly called the “rapture” happens at the Last Trump, the Trumpet of God. This is the Last of the 7 Trumpets found in Revelation. That event is at the end of the 7 years, the 70th Week.

            There are the 7 Seals. We are in the midst of them now. (aka “the beginnings of sorrows”.)
            There are the 7 Trumpets, which begin with the 7th Seal.
            There are 7 Bowls/Vials, which begin after the Church goes to the Sea of Glass. The 7 Bowls are the wrath of God.

            The Church will be here for the Great Tribulation (which is satan’s wrath), but NOT the wrath of God.

            (Mat 24:29-31 KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: {30} And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. {31} And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

            -After the Tribulation, the 7th Trumpet sounds and the angels are sent to gather the elect.
            -God pours out His wrath while the Saints are at the Marriage Supper
            -The Saints return with Jesus to take over planet earth.

            The timing of the rapture is very specific and very clear. It happens AFTER the 2 witnesses perform their ministry for the last 42 months/1260 days. It happens AFTER they are martyred and then resurrected.

            It’s a jigsaw puzzle, but it is there to see, if pursued with spiritual eyes from The Eternal.

            Blessings.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Scripture says that Jesus (the incarnate Son) was sinless.
            Scripture says that that the godhead (Father, Sone, and Spirit) is morally perfect and holy – such that sin is defined as falling short of God’s perfection and holiness.

            Please show us where Scripture says that Mary, was sinless.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Show us where it doesn’t!

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Do you mean: Scripture doesn’t say Mary is sinless, therefore she is sinless?
            By that logic: Anything scripture doesn’t say can (must?) be true?
            Scripture talks about donkeys but doesn’t say they have 5 functioning legs, but it doesn’t directly say they don’t, so therefore a donkey could (does?) have 5 functioning legs.

            Sorry. That type of thinking is not logical, and certainly not biblical.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Why do you smear the beliefs of others?

          • George Schulte

            Perhaps because they don’t line up with the word of God and not even logic. Besides, he doesn’t ‘smear’ beliefs of others but points out what’s clearly wrong.

          • George Schulte

            Romans 3:23 says that ALL (mankind) are sinners. In Luke 1:47 Mary says that she rejoices in God her saviour. Well, only sinners need a saviour. Besides, only God is without sin.

      • Off Shore

        It didn’t matter about Mary’s sinfulness Jesus Christ had to be sinless not her. Jesus Christ paid for our sins by being sinless Mary was not responsible for any part of that. By your idea then Mary’s parents would also have to be sinless.

        So my question would be why start with Mary and not with the Son of God being sinless?

        Mary and every other human was born by natural reproduction (sperm and egg), so the original sin of contraception is passed on.

        Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit thus He avoided the original sin. Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:35

        God does whatever He desires except break His own commands and ordinances.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        “Explain then why God would chose to be born of a woman who was not sinless””God can do whatever He desires.”

        right … INCLUDING using an imperfect vessel … as we ALL are …. to bring forth the salvation of ALL imperfect vessels ….. US ……….. with a PERFECT sacrifice …. Christ ……..

      • Heidi K.

        Mary admitted that she was a sinner understood that she needed a savior when she said:
        How my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! Luke 1:47
        You catholics should finally start reading the Holy Bible!

        • Just1Name

          The problem is, they have their own bible. Sprinkled with just enough, to have them stray from the truth of God’s original Word. So they will be lulled to believing & relying on MEN involved & behind the Catholic Church. We see that, Daily.
          They follow their pope. Not their Savior. They believe he is Spirit led, so hearing from a god, ore than anyone else here is.
          How sad that is.

      • Recognizing_Truth

        God doesn’t do what you think He can do, or should do, He does what He determines and what He says He does – and He tells us what He says in the Scripture.

        To make a doctrine (a teaching) out of what is not in the Scripture is to put one’s own thinking and teaching above God’s word.

        • LynnRH

          Absolutely! Thank you Recognizing Truth.

      • S. Yoder

        Because Mary continually made animal sacrifices after the birth of Christ. Why make animal sacrifices if you are sinless? No need. Animal sacrifices indicate you are a sinner. Do not just believe me, but do as the bereans and search the scriptures yourself to see if it is so!

      • shafawn

        Father, Son and Holy Spirit = God

        Only God is sinless UNTIL Jesus died in the place of mankind taking our sin on Himself.

        If God could just create a sinless human being in us then why would Jesus have to go to the cross at all? He wouldn’t. If God could create Mary sinless then He could create John, Jason, Jingleheimer Smith sinless too.
        God NEVER deviates from His Word.
        Ecclesiastes 7:20
        For there is not a just man upon earth, that does good, and sins not.

        Romans 3:10
        as it is written,
        “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE

        __________________________________

        Many scriptures do say Jesus was without sin

        Romans 8:3-4
        3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

        I can give you many such scriptures but NOWHERE in even one small place or in any way does it say Mary was without sin.
        Grace is what God gives us instead of judgment. You get that right?
        We ALL live by grace. Grace sustains us. Grace covers us so we can enter into His presence day after day in this heaping selfish flesh.
        Mary was full of grace as are we all who walk in His Spirit and not after the flesh for we do so by HIS GRACE

    • LynnRH

      Amen to all of that!

    • Off Shore

      While agree with you I must make one correction to you comment.

      Jesus has many names/titles and prophet was one of them I’ll give you some Holy Scriptures to study and pray on.

      Matthew 21:11
      Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18
      Acts 3:22
      Acts 7:37
      John 9:17

      • shafawn

        He operated in the gift of prophecy. He operated in all the gifts. The point is HE was GOD in the flesh!

        If you are a Christian you should be less interested in arguing a point to make yourself right on some minor semantic and more interested in agreeing that Mary is NOT deity and in no way was she sinless.
        By elevating Mary to a sinless state they nullify Jesus as God because he becomes one of instead of THE…. which is what this heretical pope has done all along in pushing the world into a one world religion.
        He seeks to unite Catholicism, Judaism and Islam into one faith. You get that right?
        Next this pope will say Muhammad was a prophet just like Jesus

    • Recognizing_Truth

      Yes, Jesus was a prophet, and priest, and king.

      – a prophet like unto Moses (Deuteronomy 18:18,19) – who delivered his people from bondage, who mediated between them and God, and who offered himself to die in their place. Moses was the instrument by which the Law was given, and Jesus the instrument by which the Law was fulfilled.

      – a priest according to the order of Melchizedek (Heb 6:20) and in fact the high priest who makes the fully effective sacrifice of Himself (the Lamb of God) once for all sin (Heb 9:11-15)

      – a king – the King of kings, and Lord of lords, who is Faithful and True, and of His kingdom there will be no end.

      However, that discussion is not even necessary to understand that Mary had a sin nature, just like every person descended from Adam. The exception of course being Jesus – born of God and man and without sin.

      – The Bible says “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”

      – The Bible says “He [Jesus] was like us in all ways except sin”

      – The Bible does not say that Mary was without sin, therefore she is part of the “all” who “have sinned”. So was Enoch (who was taken up to God), Elijah (who went up to God in a whirlwind) Abraham (the friend of God whose faith was counted to him as righteousness) and Moses (whom God Himself buried) and David (a man after God’s own heart who grew old and died) and everyone else in history.

      – Mary’s response to the angel’s greeting was “my spirit rejoices in God my savior”, an admission and understanding that she, like every person, needed to be saved from the sin and its curse.

      It is obvious that Scripture clearly states that only Jesus was sinless, and that Mary and every other person born into the human race was a sinned and under the curse and needed a savior.

      What then of the Pope’s claim that the angel’s greeting that Mary was “full of grace” meant she was without sin?

      – The English phrase “full of grace” is, in Greek (the language of the New Testament), “plaras karitos”. It occurs in exactly two places in the New Testament:

      1) “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14).

      2) “And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.” (Acts 6:8).

      Now, when we see that Jesus, the sinless Son of God, who came in the flesh is described as “full of grace” we MIGHT be tempted to think that this describes His sinlessness. But Stephen, a man, was not sinless and he was described as “full of grace”, so we definitely can NOT say that phrase means “sinless”.

      – Luke 1:28, the angel’s greeting to Mary, in Greek says “kexaritomena” which means “one to whom favor has been shown” or “highly favored” or “favored one”. This is not the phrase “plaras karitos” (full of grace) nor even the same meaning as that phrase. So where does the Catholic Church get the idea that the angel greeted Mary and called her “full of grace”? From the Latin Vulgate – a Latin translation made by Jerome in the 4th century. For whatever reason, Jerome decided to translate “kexaritomena” as “full of grace”. And the Catholic church, in light of a Latin translation instead of the original Greek, and in contradiction of the rest of Scripture (including the rest of their Latin Vulgate) have decided to make an entire series of doctrines concerning Mary (sinlessness, didn’t die, was assumed into heaven bodily, is co-redemptrix, is co-mediator, is mother of God (the godhead has no beginning or end, so no “mother”), etc.) based on that one mistranslation.

      The Bible is our source for doctrine and truth, and we can use it to logically deduce the condition of Mary: sinner or sinless?

      – all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, including you, me, and Mary

      – Jesus alone, being God in the flesh, was like us in all things BUT sin

      – Mary was called “favored one” and not even called “full of grace”

      – Even if Mary had been called “full of grace”, “full of grace” by its examined use in Scripture does not mean “without sin”

      – therefore Mary was a sinner, and not without sin

      May the Lord bless your study of His word, and reward your desire to take a stand for His truth.

      • shafawn

        Well said

      • Darrel Slugoski

        No where does the Bible say she was full of sin

        • Recognizing_Truth

          Sure it does:
          + For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23)

          There is only one exclusion to the “all” who have sinned – Jesus:
          + Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. (Heb 4:14-15)
          + You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. (1 John 3:5)

          • Darrel Slugoski

            She was ” full of Grace”. She needed a savior but saved before as a pure vessel ( like the arc of the covenant was made of pure gold holding Gods presence ) Mary was pure and sinless and contained Christ our king .Is there a precedence, yes, Adam and Eve were born without sin . Luke 1:47 My spirit rejoices in God my savior { a preventative saving from sin, like kept from falling into the pit, still requires a savior)

            You quote Romans 3:23 but look at Psalm 14 were ALL has explicit exceptions.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            The early Church Father agree and believed she did not have Childern.Mt 1:25 ” joseph did not know her Until she bore First born . My daughter Isabella is my first born and I did not have a second born.Compare this to 1 Tim 4:13 “until I arrive attend to reading , teaching” does not mean that we should stop teaching ,reading..until he arrives. I can show other UNTILs in scripture which change the meaning.

            Jn 27:56- Mary the mother of james and Joseph is also John 19:25 the wife of Clopas . ( in the
            Mt 1:25 ” Aramaic language Brothers and Sisters we cousins . Mk 3:21 ” when his relatives herd this the sent out to seize him”

            Jn 19:26 entrusted mary to John, not a younger sibling which was how it was done in the olden days .

            In the olden days Jn 7:3-4 brothers did not advise the oldest . then go to the next verse .

            At age 12 Jesus was the only son of Mary Lk 2:41-51

            The early Church Fathers and Martin Luther and John Calvin did not believe Mary had other sons.

    • Cliff Matthews

      shafawn – Jesus was and is “prophet, priest and king”. Are you saying Jesus (God incarnate) cannot foretell future events? Did not the O.T. prophets receive their messages from God? I am confused by your utterance – would you then say he is not our high priest and coming king? Heb 1:1-3 all three offices.

      • shafawn

        I should have said not just a prophet. (I added just so I don’t have to keep having this argument with other Christians) Of course He was a prophet as well but He was also GOD in the flesh.
        Phillippians 2:6,7
        Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

        As I have replied to every other Christian who has challenged me on this point….

    • S. Yoder

      Amen to everything you said. I would like to add some history of the RCC. A serious investigation of this organization reveals that that the title of Emporer from the Roman Empire was handed down to the bishop of Rome, the pope…and each succeeding pope down through history. This why the RCC also calls itself the Holy Roman Empire. The Roman Empire is went from the Roman Empire to the Holy Roman Empire and in the near future back to the revived Roman Empire in conjunction with 10 and then 7 European Common Market countries and the United Nations. Therefore, since Dan. 9:27 indicates that the antichrist comes from the empire that destroyed the temple in Jerusalem, then THE antichrist is the last pope. The last pope is Pope Francis the antichrist. This is your bible prophecy teaching for the moment.

      • shafawn

        RCC =
        Revelation 17:16

        The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will
        bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn
        her with fire.

        _______________
        Her time is short too

        • S. Yoder

          Agreed. The burning of the Vatican and Rome will be when the antichrist reveals who he really is. I would just add how ironic it will be that antichrist Pope (and satan) will have no more use of the RCC and set it on fire. It will make the California wildfires look like a little brush fire. He will then set up camp in the temple as the abomination of desolation. Very sad, but justice by God for all their sins! Can you imagine all the long faces on earth?

          • shafawn

            My aunt is a staunch RCC. Yet she is involved in and chairs many charities. She runs ’empty Bowls’ for years and organizes fund raisers and keeps people volunteered to get the food and feed the poor. Yet she listens and believes this new Catholic idea that all religions are blessed because they are all doing the best they can to find God and God is forgiving and fine with that. She also believes as the RCC has taught her that the bible is a compilations of fictional stories meant to give the reader a general guide but not to be taken literally and that it is dangerous and ignorant to assume you can have a personal relationship with Jesus.
            I have cried bitterly and wept for her and continue to pray that God will open her eyes. She is the most generous person I’ve ever known in my life. She gave me a house literally and bought me a vehicle with cash. She basically set my cousin up in a private law practice right out of law school. And she’s done things like this for everyone in our family. Besides all the charitable work she’s done for strangers and continues to do every year.

            I’ve tried very delicately to explain that we are saved by grace alone and not of works less any man should boast and she points out the scripture that you can see her faith by her works. She doesn’t get it.
            And she has a recurring dream that a 18 wheeler pulls out in front of her and blocks her path slowing her down and she can’t get where she’s going and she wakes up in a sweat. And I know that’s because she is trying to earn her way to heaven because of this false teaching. The Catholic church is such a deception … and there is a definite spirit to it. You can feel a powerful spirit there. It’s just not the Spirit of God. So sad
            But yes they will burn and it will be God’s will.

            I pray for my beloved aunt in Jesus name.

          • S. Yoder

            I will continually pray for her as well. Three scriptures come to my mind immediately. Show her these in this order and explain them. They are kind of self explanatory, but a little prompting by the Holy Spirit through you may help. I do not have my bible with me right now. Maybe you can find them until I get home in a couple hours. I will text them to you then. The Matthew verse that says, you search the scriptures and in them you think you have eternal life, but you are unwilling to come to me. Explain to her that everyone must have a “Come to Jesus Meeting.” It is not even enough to read the God’s Word, you must come into a relationship with Jesus. Gospel of John which Jesus says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life…no man comes to the father but by me. Again a “Come to Jesus Meeting.’ Then Romans 10:9,10. For with the heart man (or woman) believeth, and by the mouth confession is made unto salvation. I believe Romans 10:13 I think says, whoever calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) shall be saved. Then ask her if she would pray a prayer with you (sinner’s prayer). Not this simple all the time. But allow the Holy Spirit work through you. Faith working through love. God bless and I am praying now for your aunt in the name of Jesus and by his blood!

          • shafawn

            thank you

          • S. Yoder

            PS- Stay on the scriptures and try not to let Satan sidetrack your conversation with her. Been their and done that. Praying!

          • shafawn

            Thank you so much for your prayers. You two saying you would pray made me cry. God bless your kindness.
            It’s hard to talk to her about Jesus because ‘she already knows all that’. She is very educated, socialist liberal democrat and Catholic.. they are hard to reach… of course all for the good of mankind.
            I pray that someone with her education and Catholic background who is born again and on fire for Jesus comes into her life that speaks her language yet knows the truth about who Jesus really is. I’ve been praying that for years.

          • S. Yoder

            I here you about Catholics. I was Catholic for two years when I was younger. They are not easy as you have said. I just finished a two and a half year study on the Book of Revelation with my Wednesday night bible study group. Definitely not a time to be here then. If there is such a thing as hell on earth, it is those 7 years. Prayerfully yours, in Jesus name.

          • LynnRH

            I will be praying for your aunt too.

          • shafawn

            Thank you so much. I feel prayer is all that will work for her. She has been steeped in Catholic education

          • Just1Name

            Prayers for her from me, as well.
            God knows what it will take for her eyes & ears to be opened. And you are His precious child. Does He not tell us, that whatever we ask, according to His Word & will, we will have? Does He not want even 1 to be lost?
            So pray as if it’s already done. PRAISE & THANK Him, for the Salvation of her soul, & anyone else you love, who is presently lost.
            That’s how I pray for my lost family & loved ones. No one is past the reach of God & our beloved Savior, Jesus.
            Blessings of Peace this Christmas. It could very well be the last you will spend here, in this Fallen world. 😉

          • shafawn

            Thank you so much. I love the way you put that. And I sure do hope you are right and we are OUT of here!

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Read two books Catholicism and Fundamentalism and The Case for Catholicism . Also read the Christian Bishops of the first 3 centuries who died for their faith Before you condemn all Catholics . We have a better defence than you can imagine . I challenge you . If you don’t agree after that so be it, at least you will not be ignorant of what the Catholic Church teaches, like most people who hate the Catholic Church .

          • shafawn

            No offense but I don’t have time to read 2 books on Catholicism. I read the Bible every day and therefore any “denomination”, religion, any man, any teaching, message or song that doesn’t line up with the Word of God is rejected from being part of my foundation of faith and that’s the end of that.
            Right around the time Obama said fundamentalist Christians (which simply means believing the Bible literally) are dangerous and have been put on FBI watch lists .. not long after that the pope said thinking you can have a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous and the same as Islamic Jihadists.
            Both these men shocked most Americans and caused “Trumpism”.
            The left who embraces LGBT as healthy and normal, the left who embraces abortion, the left who has become radical in “defeating capitalism” and setting up a one government system is working in lock step with this pope who also promotes a one world government for the sake of peace. These two entities are joining. And I do believe the Catholic church is the whore who rides the beast. The beast being that one world economic system and the Catholic church being the whore who rides because she sold herself for her life in THIS world.
            There are probably many people (maybe like you) like my aunt that ignorantly believe in the purity of the Catholic church. And I pray for all those deceived by the ungodly.
            You know the pope is a Marxist? Have you read up on his history? Don’t follow him to hell.

      • Just1Name

        While I agree with much of what you say, Pope Francis is not the Anti Christ. He IS, however, THE False Prophet. A mighty tool being used by Satan, to roll out the Red Carpet for the AC’s arrival on the World’s stage.
        The AC is alive, well & just waiting for the Rapture of Jesus Bride/God’s Faithful Church, so He can bring His false sense of peace & order, to all the Chaos that will ensue, after the Tribulation begins.
        World financial collapse will be caused by the millions of Raptured Saints suddenly & w/o warning, GONE. So much unfinished & undone, left behind by their absence.
        Since money will be worthless, he’ll have his own ‘system’ going….that will require those following him, to get his ‘mark’ under their skin in their right hand.
        This will make him seem even better to those Ignorant of what’s going on.
        Of course, not everyone will be on board, b/c they’ll then realize they made a HUGE error in judgement, by not believing what they heard from their family, friends, etc. So they won’t take it & be martyred for Christ. They will finally refuse Satan’s bidding in their lives. But better late, than never.
        Many will be saved during the Tribulation. It is Written.
        We need to pray for those we love & know now, who are on the road to Perdition.
        As the Rapture is at the door. Nothing further needs to happen in Prophecy, for Jesus to call for His Bride.
        But plenty of Prophecy is in store, for those who are left behind for it.

        • S. Yoder

          I agree with everything you say except that Pope Francis is the soon coming antichrist. The antichrist is coming from the western capital of the old Roman Empire (Dan. 9:26,27). The capital is Rome and fit for the last pope. The false prophet comes from the eastern capital of the old Roman Empire. The capital was Constaninople which is modern day Istanbul, Turkey. That means Recep Tayyip Erdogan is the false prophet. When you compare bible prophecy and Islam prophecy, you discover tgey are mirror images. The bible’s antichrist is Islam’s Hamadi. The bible’s false prophet is the same as Islam’s muslim jesus. The two are going to fight side by side against the injustices of the world during the 7 year tribulation period. This is how Islam will get drawn in this one world government. They will work together during this darkest of any time in world history. These 7 years will be described as hell on earth. Very good information when you look up the article “Will Islam Rule The World?” Good information but, they come to the opposite conclusion that I have researched. This article believes in an islamic antichrist. This is not biblical according to Dan. 9:26,27. We will agree to disagree.

          • Just1Name

            Thank you for your explanation. I’m short on time now, but yes, we will agree to disagree.
            Main thing is, His Faithful, & Ready Bride, will be Gone. I won’t really care who’s here fighting who. I’ll be at the Wedding Feast! 🙂
            Blessings.

          • S. Yoder

            Amen!

        • TruthvLIes

          Excuse my sense of humour but I can just see it. All the saints flying away and the atheists realising what is happening saying “Whoohoo. All those pesky christians gone so we have the place to ourselves.”

          And then the tribulation starts and they look at each other and say “It ain’t ‘spose to be like this.”

          And we look down on them and say “Well, we did tell you so you have only got yourself to blame.”

        • Darrel Slugoski

          The Rapture is not referred to in the Bible it was invented by a clergyman John Darby in the 1830’s. Not one early Christian or Protestant reformer believed in such a concept . What makes you so special to be raptured and avoid suffering while millions of Christians a being killed right now in the Middle east , dying for their faith ,around the world . Remember the Apostles where killed for their faith ( except John ) they were not raptured .The rapture is the crown without the cross . There a Christians right now who are forced to chose death or Jesus , I suggest you prepare for martyrdom not a free ticket to avoid suffering .

        • S. Yoder

          Yep, while I agree with most of your ideas, the Pope is not one of them. That is ok because both the antichrist and the false prophet are really bad guys indwelt by Satan himself.

      • Darrel Slugoski

        NOT TRUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY FALSE Christ said You have not follow me but there will be another you will follow ” which will be another Jew . A John in Revelation called the Woman/whore ” the city were my lord was crucified ” which is jerusalem

        • S. Yoder

          It is not Jerusalem. Jerusalem is not the city on seven hills. Rome has always been recognized as the city on seven hills. While Jerusalem is referred to as the great city, it is not in this scripture. It is Babylon which was code for Christians back then as Rome…so Roman authorities did not know who the believers were talking about. That is the real history.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Jerusalem is also located on 7 hills , bet you didn’t know that .

          • S. Yoder

            Jerusalem is and never was recognized as the city on seven hills. Even Catholic leaders over the years say it is Rome. Not buying what you are selling!

          • Darrel Slugoski

            It is a 1000% verifiable fact and I do not need to lie and Roman Catholic Leaders believe Babylone is a code word for pagan Rome and Jerusalem is the “whore” ( the Great City and the woman , were John referred to here as the ” city were my lord was crucified “) who were killing Christians ( like Paul ) along with Rome .Christs also said ” you have not accepted
            ( as your massiah ) me but there’s another you will follow ” ( The false messiah, who will be Jewish because the are looking for a Jewish messiah not A catholic Pope ). You can buy these 1000% verifiable facts because it would be threatening to your views . I am selling the truth .Jerusalem is on seven hills . You can verify these things on your own .

            By the way Europe is being overrun by Antichrist Muslims and statistically will become muslim majority countries if a few years . Your will blindsided , looking for The Antichrist and the False prophet. Islam teaches these two figures with the call Jesus ( antichrist) and Muhammad (false profit ) will arrive on earth together to rule the world .

          • S. Yoder

            You need to stop embarrassing yourself.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Like the millions of Christians who have predicted the end times over 2000 years , you will be wrong too. I don’t believe I have embarrassed myself at all .If you are right I will be embarrassed and eat my words . My past posts are factual and verifiable but you will never admit to it due to you your anti Catholicism and hatred .

          • S. Yoder

            Well, you are right. You have not embarrassed yourself. We just think differently. I am not anti anything…let alone anticatholic. I see things the way I believe God has told it through His word, the bible. Through the Word of God, research of other bible prophecy books, commentaries, and websites, I come to my conclusions. Nobody has 100% truth, but I think God gives us a pretty good idea of things past, present, and future. I was catholic for two years, so I have a burden to share Jesus with them and future things. Bottom line is, we obviously agree to disagree.

          • Darrel Slugoski

            May God bless you . By the way I have full respect for you as a Christian and believed you are saved . Your Faith in Christ ( and mine ) saves us . That something we have in common . Forgive me for calling you anti Catholic.

          • S. Yoder

            We are good bro!

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Thanks for your kind reply. Please understand i know the many disagreements people have regarding the Catholic Church ( I am familiar with all the arguments and counter arguments ) I have been doing apologetics for years and I believe each Church should stand up for their beliefs and I would die for someone right to criticize my Church . I would never deny that your a true Christian , but when others deny that I am not a Christian well I will put up a fight . Christ is the center of my life ( most days ) and he has done amazing thing for my family . And I am 100% sure you can say the same Brother . May god bless you .

          • S. Yoder

            You need to stop embarrassing yourself. First, there is no such thing as 1,000%…100% is max. Second, the antichrist/hamadi are one and tge same and the false prophet/muslim jesus are the two characters ruling the world in the 7 year tribulation period. Antichrist/hamadi Pope Francis and false prophet/muslim jesus Erdogan of Turkey are these soon revealed characters. They are already teaming up against Israel on the Palestinian issue. Stay tuned for more on bible prophecy!

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Wont you be embarrassed when this does not occur .

          • S. Yoder

            PS- Muhammad is the false prophet of the cult of Islam. Muhammad is not the antichrist’s buddy the false prophet of Revelation. Muhammad is dead and gone since the beginning of this false religion. Muhammad IS NOT coming back!

          • Darrel Slugoski

            I agree

          • Darrel Slugoski

            Jerululum is the Whore according to John in Revelation were he refers to the” woman” as “the city were my lord was crucified. ” look it up. Pagan Rome was referred to a Babylone which is also true .

        • shafawn

          There are TWO in Revelation ..
          The Anti-Christ and the FALSE PROPHET.
          They work together in unison. The anti-Christ may be half Jew, half Arab .. we don’t know. I don’t think you are totally wrong in that because Jews as a whole would not follow someone who wasn’t a Jew.
          But I definitely believe the FALSE PROPHET is the pope.

      • Darrel Slugoski

        If your wrong like everyone else in history you feel like a fool

    • Patrick Patton

      What a load,,,go meet him and you will see

  • MCrow

    …well, this isn’t news. Catholic doctrine on this is actually quite old. Not saying either one is right or wrong, just saying that this is something you could find in the catechism of the Catholic Church from around 500 AD

  • Sven

    The old pagan worship of the Mother Goddess. It never died out.

  • Lydia Church

    The only one who is without sin in a human body is Jesus Christ, and He was the only one conceived immaculately, (without sin) by the Holy Spirit.
    But it is typical Catholic to add to the Holy Bible all sorts of myths, fables, and traditions of men, such as the ‘ascension’ of Mary, etc. Folks, the Bible is the authority, stick to God’s Word and you won’t be lead astray.

    • Knowledge Transfer

      So when the Son of Man was sent into the world to take on human form, any sinful womb would have sufficed?

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        well since all are in sin …. and scripture says repeatedly that this is so …. apparently …… but He chose Mary for a reason …. and it had nothing to do with her “sinlessness” …. it had to do with the FAMILY God had said His Son would come through ….. all those genealogies in scripture ….. they are not there to just fill pages and space ….. they record God keeping His promise through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob …….

        • Knowledge Transfer

          You are rarely wrong. But this time you are.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            We all make mistakes, but @ravenbrook:disqus is not wrong here.

            – God promised the savior would be the “root and offspring of Jesse” (as the God-man, Jesus was the root of Jesse and the offspring/descendant of him through David).
            – By being born of Mary by the Holy Spirit he is the Genesis-promised “seed of the woman” who “bruised (crushed) the head” of Satan

      • Recognizing_Truth

        The womb that bore him was Mary. That sinful womb sufficed.
        Had God chosen a different time, a different person in the line of David, a different sinful womb, would have been the one that God used, so it would have sufficed.

        • Knowledge Transfer

          Wrong! No matter! That’s why in part you are what you are one who protests.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            One who protests? Protests what? Only that the Word of God is true, and what contradicts the Word of God must therefore not be true. That is a protestation that was made by:
            God, Jesus, the Apostles… just to drop a few names.

            Here, though is all that truly matters:
            Q: What must I do to be saved?
            A: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.

            Other points of “contention” are insignificant because if one believes that Christ is solely and the only means by which God grants forgiveness of sins (for there is no other name under heaven given unto men, by which we must be saved) and has put their trust in that truth, then they have passed from death to life.
            “For this is how God loved the world: he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. For God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but so that through him the world might be saved. No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God’s only Son.”

            So, miscellaneous doctrines aside…put your faith in Christ Jesus, friend.

    • Just1Name

      They have their own version of the Bible & therefore their own way of teaching from it. And we know what God had to say about changing HIS Word. Any part if it, at all.

  • awareoftruth

    Eerie similarities between the Jewish Pharisees of the Gospel and the High Priests of the Vatican. The Roman empire had a major hand in crucifying Christ; I can’t imagine they’re looking forward to His return. I applaud Mary, but she’s no Christ.

    • Just1Name

      SIN had the major hand in Christ crucified.
      Always makes me smh when I hear how ‘the Jews killed their Savior.’
      So wrong. So sad.
      Technically, We ALL killed our Savior.

      • LynnRH

        Absolutely right!

  • Moses Bwana

    Great is the Mystery of Grace. Many stumble upon its Source, Vessel and Conveyor. Some acknowledge its Source and Conveyor but deny its Vessel. Others acknowledge its Source, its Vessel and its Conveyor. Great is the Mystery of the Mother of Grace.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      yeah …. i do not know what any of that means …….

  • NWaff

    “chaire kecharitomene”
    “chaire” – Means “hail” or “rejoice”
    “charis” – Means “grace”
    “charitoo” – Greek verb ending in omicron omega (“oo”) means to put the person or thing into the state indicated by the root. The root being “charis” or “grace,” “charitoo” means “to put into a state of “grace.”
    “ke” – Greek perfect tense prefix indicates a perfected, completed present state as a result of past action. Thus, a perfected, completed present state of “charis,” or “grace,” as a result of past action.
    “mene” – Greek passive participle suffix indicates action performed on subject by another. Thus, a perfected, completed present state of “charis,” or “grace,” as a result of the past action of another. As the speaker is the angel Gabriel, the “other” is God.

    Therefore, “chaire kecharitomene” means: “Hail, who has been perfectly and completely graced by God.” The common Catholic rendering, “full of grace,” while good, may actually fall short!

  • Eastern_Orthodox_Christian

    “God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins, for she has conceived and borne the Lord Jesus.”

    -Martin Luther

  • GreenLife Express

    but of course…the leader of the largest religious cult in the world once again looking to change Gods Word the Bible. He and all would do well to read the book he claims to represent. The Bible does not say anywhere that Mary was sinless. In fact, just the opposite. He will learn the truth on bent knees when the Lord judges him for all of His sins…or maybe because he wears a robe he thinks he doesn’t have to worry about what God thinks or has clearly said in His Word…his father the little g…Satan and his minions time is very very short. Thank God…Maranatha…the Lord is at the door.

  • PastorRon Aldridge

    If that’s the case, then why , in her magnificent, God her SAVIOR? Only a sinner needs a savior. Also, this false doctrine has only been part of the (Catholic) Church for a few hundred years. If it’s true it’s not new and if it’s new, it’s not true.

  • ppp777

    The sooner that cult is destroyed the better .

  • Bjorg Susej

    Yes!

  • Chet

    Bottom line, either the Word of God, the Holy Bible, is the final authority on all things spiritual or the Catholic church, Baptist church, Methodist church, Pentecostal church or perhaps today’s Church of What’s Happening Now via some spokesman’s edict is the authority. Then again, maybe it’s the First Confused Church of Mother Earth Worshipping Fools. Such as is headed up by those preaching phony baloney notions that puny man controls/affects weather as opposed to God Almighty who created the entire universe and all contained therein. Among numerous references thereto, see your own Holy Bible at Matthew 8:23-27 to note just who is in control of everything…

  • Susan

    The Pope is deceived. Jesus is the only sinless one. The word of God says that ALL have sinned…that includes Mary. So does this mean the Pope thinks that God is a liar?

    • Just1Name

      This pope is the False Prophet. He will deceive millions. Bad as the Catholic Church has been with deception all these years, it’s getting worse, in these End days.
      Francis is playing a huge roll in bringing in the 1 World Religion. Needed, so the New World Order can come more smoothly to the ignorant masses. He’s part of the major prep work for the Anti Christ.

      • Susan

        I am in agreement with you Just1Name. Many things he has spoken, many things he is doing is against the Word of God. And like you said, sadly many are following him. And sad is the fact that many Christians pastors are doing the same. I always tell people to read, and let the Holy Spirit show them the truth in the Word of God…for any man can call himself a pastor/preacher and twist and even leave out what the Word teaches.

  • tovlogos

    It’s a good thing Mary, who resides in the kingdom, doesn’t feel the pressure put on her by people who worship her. She is at peace.
    Mark 3:20-23, shows the stress she must have been under:

    “And He came home, and the multitude gathered again, to such an extent that they could not even eat a meal. And when His own people (Joseph Mary and the siblings) had heard of this, they they went out to take custody of Him; for they were saying, ‘He has lost His senses’. And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, ‘He is possessed…” etc.

    So, sure there was the usual stress that’s part of the DNA of this creation.
    Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit would never have thought that the Son of God had lost His senses because of his unfailing commitment to His work — especially because He, the Spirit was leading the Messiah — never left Him.

  • HoldFast

    Original sin is passed through the male since Adam sinned knowingly (he was not deceived like Eve: 1 Tim. 2) and was the federal head of the human race. If Mary had a human father (and she did), she inherited original sin, like the rest of us. Jesus alone did not have a human father, and thus was not born fallen. Mary is also not the “Mediatrix of all Graces” or the “co-Redemptrix” either, both false Catholic doctrines. (“THERE IS ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS.”) Nor is she “ever-virgin.” She had at least six other kids (Mat. 13:55), whom the Catholic Church insists were Jesus’ cousins, not “brothers and sisters” as the text says. The Catholic Church wanted to elevate Mary to “Queen of Heaven” status to attract more pagans who didn’t want to abandon their worship of Isis/Astarte/Ishtar etc. Many Catholic priests appear to have some kind of Oedipus complex the way they fawn over Mary, almost to the exclusion of Jesus. I attended 12 years of Catholic schools and the emphasis was almost entirely on Mary.

  • 2Contend…

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in GOD MY SAVIOR, For He hath regarded the low estate of His handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blesses. For He that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is HIS NAME.” Luke 1: 46-49

    “And the angel of the Lord said unto them, Fear not: for behold, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2: 9 – 11

    “And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.” Luke 2: 22 – 24

    “And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he would not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for Him after the custom of the law, Then took Him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word. For mine eyes have seen thy Salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.” Luke 2: 25 – 32

    “And Joseph and His mother marveled at those things which were spoken of Him. And Simeon blessed them, and said to His mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against: (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.” Luke 2: 33 – 35

    Luke 2: 19 “But Mary His mother kept all these things and pondered them in her heart. Luke 2: 51a “…but His mother kept all these sayings in her heart.”

    Then who is this image (still idolized) made with hands?

    “For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

  • bobe e

    “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” 1 Timothy 2:5

  • shafawn

    That’s very interesting! I think John Hagee believes that too right? I read his Blood Moons book. Very interesting. Its a good theory. That might be how it goes! God bless you and Merry Christmas 🙂

  • mollysdad

    “Mary is no more the mother of God than Joseph is the father of Jesus,”

    With these words, Gendron denies the divinity of Jesus.

    Anyone who denies the divinity of Jesus is antichrist.

  • Darrel Slugoski

    You all will be deceived !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your enemy is not the Catholic Church but Fundamentalist Islam ( the true antiChrist ) Which is spreading through the world and especially Europe > Islam believes Jesus and Mohamed will arrive on the earth together . ( which would actually be the Antichrist and False Profit ).

  • Reason2012

    Catholicism is worse than islam – no one will be fooled into thinking they’re following Christ by following islam.