‘Pope Francis’ Decrees New Feast Day on Liturgical Calendar for Mary, ‘Mother of the Church’

Bergoglio in Fatima 2017 | Photo credit: CTV screenshot

ROME —  Roman Catholic leader Jorge Bergoglio, also known as “Pope Francis,” has decreed that a new feast day be added to the liturgical calendar to honor Mary, called “Mother of the Church.” The announcement has been deemed unbiblical as the Catholic Church continues to place inordinate emphasis on Mary.

The Vatican announced the decree on Saturday, noting that the new Roman Catholic holiday will be observed every year on the Monday after Pentecost. This year, the occasion will fall on May 21.

“Having attentively considered how greatly the promotion of this devotion might encourage the growth of the maternal sense of the Church in the pastors, religious and faithful, as well as a growth of genuine Marian piety, Pope Francis has decreed that the memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, should be inscribed in the Roman Calendar on the Monday after Pentecost and be now celebrated every year,” reads the decree, signed by Robert Sarah, prefect, and Arthur Roche, archbishop.

“This celebration will help us to remember that growth in the Christian life must be anchored to the mystery of the cross, to the oblation of Christ in the eucharistic banquet and to the mother of the Redeemer and mother of the redeemed, the virgin who makes her offering to God,” it states.

The decree outlines that historic Roman Catholic figures—from Augustine to Paul VI—have endowed Mary with various titles, and claims that as Jesus asked his disciple, John, to look after His earthly mother in His physical absence, it signified that Mary was to be a subject of affection for all of Christ’s followers.

“Indeed, the mother standing beneath the cross (Jn. 19:25), accepted her Son’s testament of love and welcomed all people in the person of the beloved disciple as sons and daughters to be reborn unto life eternal. She thus became the tender mother of the Church which Christ begot on the cross handing on the Spirit,” the decree asserts. “Christ, in turn, in the beloved disciple, chose all disciples as ministers of his love towards His mother, entrusting her to them so that they might welcome her with filial affection.”

“Mary is the mother of the members of Christ, because with charity she cooperated in the rebirth of the faithful into the Church, while the latter says that the birth of the Head is also the birth of the body, thus indicating that Mary is at once mother of Christ, the Son of God, and mother of the members of his Mystical Body, which is the Church,” it states. “These considerations derive from the divine motherhood of Mary and from her intimate union in the work of the Redeemer, which culminated at the hour of the cross.”

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The Roman Catholic Church already has a number of feast days dedicated to Mary, including the Feast of Immaculate Conception—in observance of the Catholic belief that Mary was conceived without sin, and the Feast of Assumption—in observance of the belief that Mary did not die but ascended to Heaven like Jesus.

However, some believe that these holidays not only place inordinate emphasis on Mary, but are also unbiblical. Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries told Christian News Network that the Roman Catholic Church has essentially given Mary “goddess” status as she has been ascribed attributes that only belong to the divine.

Gendron

“The Catholic Church has elevated Mary, a self-described servant of the Lord, to an omniscient goddess with divine attributes (Luke 1:38). She is said to be all-knowing, all seeing, and all powerful,” he explained. “Mary becomes a counterfeit savior: born sinless, without the stain of original sin, and living a sinless life. She becomes co-redeemer, provider of salvation, dispenser of forgiveness, and source of all grace. She is called the all-holy one, clearly a title belonging only to God.”

“This blasphemy stands in sharp contrast to what Scripture actually says and does not say about Mary,” Gendron continued. “When Jesus said, ‘I will build My Church,’ he never said Mary would be the mother of His Church. The one true Church has only one Head, one Shepherd and one Builder: the Lord Jesus Christ. The true Church is the body of Christ, the bride; the flock of Christ and the household of faith. Scripture never speaks of Mary having a leadership role or as a mother over the church.”

Gendron, who was a former Roman Catholic for over 30 years and now leads a ministry to speak truth to Catholics, said that the Scriptures do not provide a single instance of the disciples elevating or venerating Mary following the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ.

“In fact, the Bible says nothing about Mary’s life or her later years after Christ’s death,” he outlined. “When she briefly appears with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of worship or even a leader in the early church. She is just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her or venerating her.”

“If you contrast that with the overwhelming number of books on the life of Mary, the miracles of Mary and the apparitions of Mary, it is obvious that a pagan goddess has been created in the minds of popes,” he added. “Only the name ‘Mary’ has been stolen from Christianity.”

Gendron said that “Jesus alone is the head of the Church and He alone is to be worshiped, venerated, adored and petitioned.”


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  • Reason2012

    “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
    Mark 7:7

    “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
    Acts 8:36-37

    “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
    Matthew 23:5-10

    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
    Ephesians 2:8-10

    “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
    Romans 4:4-5

    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven [carved] image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
    Exodus 20:4

    “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
    Isaiah 42:8

    “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
    1 Timothy 2:5

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
    Luke 1:46-47

    “And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
    Luke 11:27-28

    “And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
    Mark 3:33-35

    “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he [Jesus] did once, when he offered up himself.”
    Hebrews 7:27

    “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
    Hebrews 10:10

    “Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
    Acts 16:29-31

    “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:13-15

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    Matthew 7:21-23

    “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”
    Revelation 22:8-9

    “And [Jesus] said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
    Mark 4:9

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      Impressive. Now what do these have to do against honoring your mother?

      • Reason2012

        What does honoring your mother have to do with praying to her like she’s omniscient, claiming she was born without original sin, never sinned after that, and passing her off as a co-redeemer alongside Christ?

        • Joseph Essien-Obot

          God is omniscient, Mary and the saints are with God. When we pray God hears us. The saints hear us with God.

          “I will put enmity between you (Satan) and the woman.” How do you suppose God did that? Do you think maybe Mary was a friend of Satan when she was approached by Angel Gabriel?

          All Christians are co-redeemers with Christ that why we’re co-priests, co-kings, co-prophets and co-heirs who co-die with him and will co-rise too. Mary too is all these with us only in the most perfect way.

          • Reason2012

            You didn’t answer the question. What does honoring your mother have to do with praying to her like she’s omniscient, claiming she was born without original sin, never sinned after that, and passing her off as a co-redeemer alongside Christ?

            And no, Christians did not shed their blood for the remission of sins.
            Christians were not sinless
            Christians are not God.
            To claim Christ is not the only redeemer is a satanic doctrine and it’s God we’ll have to convince that He was not the redeemer of mankind, but others did so too.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            Col. 1:24

            “Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.”

            Can you please tell us what possibly the sinner Paul could fill in regard to Christ’s afflictions for us?

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            “What does honoring your mother have to do with praying to her…”

            Well I’ve responded to your objections under “like”. I think it should have been obvious that if your objections hold no water then the relationship between honor and prayer should be clear. Since you can’t see it then here:

            If you respect a person then the person’s opinion or assistance will be much sought after. Your respect is expressed in honor! If I respect you you would expect me to honor your visit or invitation for sure.

            We honor Mary because we respect her walk with God. Because of that respect we ask (pray) for her prayers (petition) to God both to respond in her likeness to God and to enjoy the grace of God to the fullest.

  • Barefoot Soul

    She isn’t.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    his name contains both the names Gog and Magog ………..

    • Lexical Cannibal

      To be fair, if your name contains Magog, Gog is already sort of bundled in.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        sure …..

  • Joan Smith

    I love all Christians… catholic and protestants. As a protestant, I was taught Mary is the best example of a Christian because in her “fiat” when the angel Gabriel proclaimed Jesus, the Son of God, was to be her Son. She said yes! She said yes to God’s will. As a catholic, I was taught the same thing. Just read the beginning on the Gospel of Luke, John, and Matthew to read some about Jesus’s mother. I know there are differences, but we have a lot more similarities than differences. Catholic believe in a communion of saints, and believe how one might ask others to pray for them, and that a person in heaven would be a good one to ask. They are fully human, but they are in heaven and completely glorified in God. May God’s mercy reach us all!

    • Off Shore

      “Catholic believe in a communion of saints”
      False doctrine!
      The Holy Bible tells of just a few people that went to Heaven (thief on the cross etc…), but other than that is to know the heart of man and to claim that is to claim only what God Himself knows. For the church of rome to claim they know who is in Heaven or who’s not without the Bible saying so is utter blaspheme.

      As far as more similarities than differences that doesn’t equate to being right. I as a born again christian have the belief in God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit in common with Satan, but that doesn’t mean he is good.

      If you really knew the false message of the roman church and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ then you would know that we are from opposite ends like Heaven and Hell.

      • BdgrGrrl

        The last paragraph of the Apostles’ Creed, affirmed by many Protestant denominations, as well as Roman Catholics, Anglicans, and the various Orthodox denominations, includes the words, “I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic (worldwide) church, the communion of saints, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.” Belief in the communion of saints is far from limited to Roman Catholics. How various Christian denominations interpret the clause “communion of saints” is diverse, but to assert that only Roman Catholics believe in the communion of saints is patently false.

        • Off Shore

          If you would have read what was wrote by the both of us you would have realized that the prayer referred to is to dead saints. I’ll post the quote again so that you can stay on try to stay on topic.

          “Catholic believe in a communion of saints, and believe how one might ask
          others to pray for them, and that a person in heaven would be a good
          one to ask.”

          I never said who did or didn’t affirm the communion of saints, so you are making up stuff at this point. You went into another whole direction I’m assuming to redirect from the fact that praying to the dead is wrong IAW the Word of God.

    • Charles

      No Mary wasn’t the best example. John the Baptist was the greatest among men. (Mat 11:11) Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Catholicism is just plain evil. It was meant to subvert God’s actual Church which is the believers in Jesus Christ through faith, not some pretty brick building with a million idols in and on them.

  • Off Shore

    Pure idol worship pure and simple

    Psalm 106:28
    They joined themselves also to Baal-peor, And ate sacrifices offered to the dead.

    The word maithim signifies dead men;
    Or in simpler terms they ate food for their dead hero’s as the pagans of the region did.
    Just as rcc’s continue to do today on feast days to their hero saints.

  • Archie Haase

    Comments here are mostly are Based on historical ignorance-superbly ignorant This article is boring and redundant.

    • Charles

      Really? You have an example I’m sure.

      • Archie Haase

        Read the article it says exactly what someone who has no understanding of historical Christianity. Post east west schism in the 11 century western Christianity is interpreted foolishly thinking the all perfect ooops God made a mistake and straightened things out by studied humans in the western reformation. lol

        • Charles

          I can understand what you are commenting on about Historical ignorance, but why is this article boring and redundant? I take it you don’t find the continued veneration of Mary disturbing?

  • Darin H

    I wonder if he is a Christian at all.

    • No, he’s Catholic. LOL! Sorry, had to joke…

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      He is indeed, maybe more so than you.

  • Lydia Church

    The catholic church worships Mary (we are only to worship God), prays to the dead (forbidden in the Bible), looks to other ‘mediators,’ (Bible says Jesus is the only one), thinks Mary is a co-redeemer (official church doctrine, but only Jesus is our Redeemer) and that she was a perpetual virgin (but Jesus had half brothers via Joseph, see Bible). They think the church saves itself (you must go to them to be saved, but in reality you must come to Jesus), and they turn every true experience of God into a dead ritual that does not save. They practice idolatry in many forms. They are not the original church as in the early church, Constantine brought in pagan practices from the surrounding religions in 314 A.D. There is much more. If you want to know what real Christianity is, read the Bible, it is God’s Word and contradicts most of Catholicism. Use KJV 1611 if possible.

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      You have quite a back of lies there!

      • Susan Perelka

        Lydia Church is telling the truth, I lived it at one point in my life (grew up in it actually), and it is in opposition to the Word of God. What opened my eyes was to actually read the word of God myself (all of it- Old and New Testament), Jesus spoke out against the traditions of elders, it’s all in the Word of God. I came to know Jesus, not through the RCC, but through the Word of God. As I read it, I kept saying, why didn’t they tell me that, the gospel message. It’s all about works to the RCC, not faith. They are doing the opposite of what Jesus says is necessary. You really should investigate it yourself.

  • How can someone who is supposed to be the head of what is supposedly the largest Christian denomination on the planet be so spiritually immature and ignorant of God and His Holy Word?

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      It just may be your spiritual immaturity unable to see the wider Christian space.

      • And what wider Christian space would that be?

        • Joseph Essien-Obot

          The Catholic space. Christianity is not the little hole you find yourself in.

          • Sorry but the RCC is corrupted to the core with the spirit of antichrist. Not the parishioners but those in the hierarchy.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            I thought the pope was immature, now the Church is corrupt?

            What makes it corrupt? Don’t tell me it’s because the sinners we see in every church are also found there.

            Maybe you should tell me what really is going on.

          • I just posted a reply to you and got this……..

            Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Christian News Network.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            It’s possible you used a word that flags your comment for review.

    • Susan Perelka

      Go read the “Woe to you scribes and Pharisee’s, hypocrites….” it pretty much sums up why. Every time I read it, I am reminded of what I experienced growing up in the RCC. Praise God, He opened my eyes to the truth and I know belong to Jesus.

  • Charles

    Mary is there co-mediatrix, and co-redemptress which is a complete joke. They will do anything to get your eyes off of Jesus Christ. Not going to work on God’s chosen you Charlatans.

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      I do find it interesting that one who calls his/herself “Christian” doesn’t know that he/she is co-mediator and co-redeemer with Christ! That being in Christ we mediate with Christ, interceding for the Salvation of the world. Suffering in Christ we redeem the world with him by opening the eyes of the world to the light that Christ is. We are the light of the world but it’s Christ that is the glow in us, the light that we are. We are kings with him, we are prophets with him, we are priests with him and we are heirs with him. We are co-kings, priests, prophets and co-heirs with Christ.

      This does not mean we’re are equal partners with him. We are totally dependent on him but we are participants in his life. We are even with him his very body crucified for the world, died and rising.

      My dear friend, in all this Mary is the paragon of the Christian reconciled to the Father through Christ, his Word. Through this, which is truly the work of God, she bore his Son of whose body we are part. If we are part of the body of Mary’s son then she is our Mother, the Mother of the Church. God commands us, “Honor your father and mother, that your days may be…” what? “Long”! Where? “In the land that the Lord your God is giving you.” For the Christian that means eternal life in heaven.

      If we can honor our physical parents with birthday and or anniversary activities without those being their worship why can’t we honor our spiritual parents and friends the same? Is keeping their images and having them in places of honor their worship?

      Anyways, what I intend here is to show that after all said and done you turn out to be the charlatans.

      • Reason2012

        I do find it interesting that one who calls his/herself “Christian” doesn’t know that he/she is co-mediator and co-redeemer with Christ!

        No, we proclaim the only mediator between God and man, the only redeemer between God and man: Christ, Jesus.

        “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
        1 Timothy 2:5

        To proclaim Christ the mediator, the redeemer to the world doesn’t make us any more a mediator or redeemer than claiming who the king is makes us a king also.

        Did any of us go to the cross to shed our blood for the remission of the sins of mankind? No. Did Mary? No. Are any of us the creator of the Universe that have the authority to pay for the sins of mankind and offer them forgiveness by the shedding of our own blood? No.. Is Mary? No.

        In the end it doesn’t matter what mankind tries to claim – it’s God we’ll have to convince. And when we try to claim we’re all redeemers and not just Christ, that He did not redeem us alone by His shed blood, by our own words we condemn ourselves by showing we’re not only not trusting in Christ as our redeemer, but teaching others the satanic lie that others besides just Christ are redeemers.

        • Joseph Essien-Obot

          So are you denying that every Christian is king, prophet, priest and heir?

          • Reason2012

            We weren’t talking about being an heir with Christ.

            You seem confused between what a mediator / redeemer is (Christ) and what an heir with Christ is. Being an heir, king, prophet, priest does not mean we redeemed anyone by the shedding our blood on the cross, as if we’re God – as if we’re sinless. There’s only one redeemer, one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus.

            So if we deny Christ is the only redeemer – the only mediator between man and God, it’s God we’ll have to convince there were others besides Christ who paid for our sins. For us to claim that would be condemning ourselves by our own words to not be trusting only on Christ.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            You see, that’s where you fail.

            Are you saying that there’s more than one king in heaven? Are you saying there’s more than one priest in having making an acceptable offering to the Father. Is there more than one prophet revealing the fullness of God?

            If there’s only one of these, how come we are prophets, kings and priests? Prophets, kings and priests of what?

            We are prophets WITH (having) Christ! So too kings and priests. As priests what do we offer? The perfect sacrifice in Christ! As prophets what do we reveal? The fullness of God on Christ!

            In Christ’s passion and death he pleads before the Father for our Salvation. In our own suffering that befalls us in Christ we participate in that mediation. So that like on the road to Damascus Christ can ask, “Why are you persecuting me?” Out of the suffering of his members. In Christ, we are his body that died for the sins of the world!

            In living the joy of Christ especially in the depth of suffering the world sees the life of Truth in us and is Redeemed by the light. The Truth is Christ, the life is Christ’s, the Redemption is Christ’s yet all this comes to the world 2,000 years after its history by our participation in Christ. 2,000 years from now it will still be present. As members of Christ’s body we will continue to mediate before the Father and Redeem the world by our participation in Christ the one Mediator and Redeemer.

            It’s this participation that makes us heirs, or have we truly suffered and died to inherit the kingdom? No! Christ has. It’s Christ who truly is all, we are only these and will enjoy eternity only because we are cleved to him.

            I have no confusion whatsoever, I just am not a legalist, looking for the letter and missing the spirit. Surely, Christ didn’t come to give us more letters to live by but to give us the spirit that fulfills all.

          • Reason2012

            “We are prophets WITH (having) Christ! So too kings and priests. As priests what do we offer? The perfect sacrifice of Christ! As prophets what do we reveal? The fullness of God in Christ!”

            Did we shed our blood for the remission of sins? No.
            Are we God Himself? No.
            Only Christ could shed His blood for the remission of sins.
            For any of us to pretend we also redeem people – are a mediator between God and man – is to condemn ourselves with our own words proving we’re not believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, but instead believing on many people instead.

            God’s Word says there’s ONE mediator between God and man: Jesus Christ. For us to instead teach there’s more than one mediator would be to teach a satanic doctrine and answer to God for doing so.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            You seem to have a problem with understanding stuff.

            I don’t see anywhere I implied that we are prophet, priest or kings without Christ talk less mediators and redeemers.

            Partaking or participating in Christ presumes preexistence. You cannot participate in something that doesn’t exist. It’s our participation that brings us into the condition of Christ. We are part of his body because we participate in him. We’re not part of his body because we’re doing our own stuff. We’re not prophets of our own doing. We’re not mediators of our own initiation. We are these as a consequence of our union with Christ. Not apart from him but IN him. Being in him there cannot be two priests or redeemers for whatever we offer as priests is Christ, whatever Redemption we bring is still Christ. There simply is no way around this. You’re either in Christ or you’re not. You can’t be a spectator and be saved by him, you must participate in him.

            It boggles my imagination this idea of separate mediators. All mediation is Christ’s one mediation.

            Somehow I get the feeling that rather than listen to me you’re busy arguing with an idea you’re fed or made all your own because your responses are not really addressing my own statements but some ideas which come from where I don’t know.

      • Susan Perelka

        The RCC is deceiving you. Stop listening to what they are telling you to believe and read the entire bible yourself and believe what God says, not man.

  • robert boe

    The old christian western rite been around for many many many many many many centuries and it has no such day on its liturgical calender. Because it purpose was and still is Christ his merits alone, win you forgivness of sin and eternal life in heaven.. That is why Mary Jesus Mother in the Bible she called her God her savior .A person who is perfect doesn’t need a savior. MARY needed her Son to save her to from sin. The Mary the Pope is introducing is not only foreign to the bible but the old liturgical western rite Christian liturgy as well..

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      Which obscure community is that?

  • robert boe

    Beware of the teachings of The son of destruction/ perdition

  • Reason2012

    Jesus showed there is no such reverence for Mary, for His “mother”.

    “While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
    Matthew 12:46-50

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      So, what is it you’re trying to make of this passage? That Jesus refused to honor Mary?

      Well, I’d agree with you if you can demonstrate that Mary did not do the will of Jesus’ Father in heaven.

      You may not realize it but Jesus’ conception and birth were contingent on the perfect unity of Mary’s will with that of the Father! If our being Jesus’ brother and sister and *mother* is contingent on our doing the Father’s will, what do you think that being the physical mother of him would be contingent on?

      In other words Jesus was revealing in his teaching the truth of Mary’s motherhood. And by the way, what makes you think Jesus didn’t attend to his mother after this? Would God teach all mankind to honor mother and father and then demonstrate his dishonor of the woman who bore him? If so then we are called to do so for he is the light of the world, dishonor our parents or at least our mothers that is.

  • Joseph Essien-Obot

    No one here has been able to pinpoint in the decree what is not true. All you have done is make tangential comments that are especially irrelevant.

    • Reason2012

      Mary’s not the mother of God’s church – she’s just another sinner saved by grace that found favor in God’s eyes. Christ is the head of God’s church. He’s the only redeemer. He’s the only mediator. He’s the final sacrifice.

      “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
      Luke 1:46-47

      They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
      Romans 3:12

      For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
      Romans 3:23

      Christ even pointed out that all of those who do the will of the God are also His “brother, sister, mother”, exposing the future deception of raising up Mary on a pedestal. And Christ did not have any “sisters”, which shows yet again he’s calling all those who do the will of God “his mother, sister, brother”.

      “While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
      Matthew 12:46-50

      But catholicism lifts Mary up as a co-redeemer, as immaculately conceived herself, as sinless, as if she shed her blood for the remission of sins, which is outright blasphemy against God/ Jesus Christ. They teach to pray to her as if she’s omnipresent and omniscient, which is more blasphemy. Catholics fall for it and defend her as much as, if not more than, they defend Christ. Read the gospels again, and see for yourself what Jesus said and did while He was here, rather than what catholic doctrines tell you instead.

      • Joseph Essien-Obot

        Mary bore Christ whose body is the Church. What does that make Mary? The daughter of her son or what?

        Jesus taught that those who do the will of the Father are among other things, his mother. That should tell you how Mary came to bear him in the flesh. She wasn’t sitting in one brothel waiting for the next client to serve or trying to rob her neighbor of his only meal of the day when Angel Gabriel came to give her the good news.

        “The wages of sin is death.” Going by this scripture it could be said that Enoch and Elijah were sinless, they never died. Would that mean that they shed their blood for us? Certainly not! Would you say they were sinners yet dodged the wages due to them? How? I’d like to hear your take.

        Christ was born sinless, I doubt he had died for sins at birth, of course not but it goes to tell you that sinlessness is not a product of shedding blood but a product of being or having God.

        Also, Mary’s Immaculate Conception was not doing at all, even in the most remote sense. Mary’s Immaculate Conception means that God willed she be without Original Sin, that is she didn’t lack the fullness of grace which absence deprives us of clear spiritual sight. This was God’s work entirely and it was in his fulfillment of putting enmity between Satan and “the woman” and between her offspring and him. Her offspring are both Christ and us who are cleved to him.

        In all this you certainly have the understanding of Mary upside down. Mary is mankind’s fullest response to God. As our positive response to God make us bearers of his only Son, albeit mystically, the most perfect response to God ever possible to man bore him even physically in which he died and rose for us all. Devotion to Mary therefore is predicated on our need and desire to respond to God in our fullest individual capacities. Our praise and honor of her is in that regard. Without a response, Christ’s work of Redemption is useless! By learning the simplicity that gave Mary’s response the depth that brought us Salvation we actively seek to to receive God’s gift in Christ. By the honor of Mary we learn her interior disposition. This principle applies to the saints also but Mary enjoys the greatest honor because she bore the greatest fruit.

        I will leave your objection of “omnipresence” for later.

        • Reason2012

          Mary bore Christ whose body is the Church. What does that make Mary? The daughter of her son or what?

          Christ/God existed before He was manifest in the flesh here. The Pharisees also tried to use this to twist the truth of God. Here’s what Christ said about it.

          “While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.”
          Matthew 22:41-46

          “Jesus taught that those who do the will of the Father are among other things, his mother.”

          Which proves being His “mother” is nothing different than any other born again believer in God: a person who does the will of the Father, which contradicts catholic doctrines that lift Mary up as sinless, not needing to be saved, as a redeemer and more.

          In the end it’s God we’ll have to convince and it will be our own fault for adhering to anti-Christ man-centered doctrines instead of to God and His truth.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            “Christ/God existed before He was manifest in the flesh here.”

            I don’t know why you can’t see the funniness of your statement.

            So does it mean now that Jesus had a body before he was born? Which of course would mean that Mary was not the mother of his body, or was she?

            You go as far as trying to make a cock and bull story by relating an unrelated matter.

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            “Which proves being His “mother” is nothing different than any other born again believer in God: a person who does the will of the Father, which contradicts catholic doctrines that lift Mary up as sinless, immaculately conceived as well, not needing to be saved, as a redeemer and more.”

            Tell me, if Mary was immaculately conceived, that is conceived without sin, who was responsible? Could Mary have been responsible for her own conception? Mary was saved by being immaculately conceived. It’s because of this she could bear the Savior who who saved her already. If she did not have Christ she could not bear Christ. So when you say she didn’t need saving I wonder where that idea comes from?

            Again, if you’re “mother” to the same degree as Mary then please send me a picture of your son Jesus the Messiah, I need to see him.

            It does appear that you guys seem to see things in black and white. Doing the will of the Father is wide. Some people do the will of the Father more completely than others. Some more perfectly. To the extent we do the will of the Father, completely and/or perfectly, the more of the mother of Jesus we become. The less, the less. There’s no such thing as doing the will of the Father that’s just a thing and we do it all the same and so become equally bearers of the consequence.

        • Susan Perelka

          You think Mary was without original sin? Really, when the bible says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God! I guess you are calling God a liar. Wow!

  • Herrnhut

    Acts Chapter 1 (DRB)
    “And while they were beholding him going up to heaven, behold two men stood by them in white garments. Who also said: Ye men of Galilee, why stand you looking up to heaven? This Jesus who is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come, as you have seen him going into heaven.
    Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount that is called Olivet, which is nigh Jerusalem, within a sabbath day’s journey. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode Peter and John, James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James of Alpheus, and Simon Zealotes, and Jude the brother of James. All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.”

    If Mary is above other women, why was she praying with one mind with others including women in the upper room along with those step brothers of Jesus?