Appeals Court Rules Funeral Home ‘Illegally’ Fired Male Director Who Wanted to Dress as Woman

DETROIT, Mich. — The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that a Christian funeral home owner engaged in illegal discrimination for firing a male director who announced that he wanted to begin dressing as female.

“Discrimination against employees, either because of their failure to conform to sex stereotypes or their transgender and transitioning status, is illegal under Title VII. The unrefuted facts show that the funeral home fired Stephens because [he] refused to abide by [his] employer’s stereotypical conception of [his] sex, and therefore the EEOC is entitled to summary judgment as to its unlawful-termination claim,” wrote Judge Karen Nelson Moore on behalf of the unanimous panel on Wednesday.

The court claimed that Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prohibits sex discrimination, also applies to discrimination for not meeting “sex stereotypes.”

“Title VII proscribes discrimination both against women who ‘do not wear dresses or makeup’ and men who do,” Nelson Moore asserted. “Under any circumstances, ‘[s]ex stereotyping based on a person’s gender non-conforming behavior is impermissible discrimination.'”

“Here, Rost’s decision to fire Stephens because Stephens was ‘no longer going to represent himself as a man’ and ‘wanted to dress as a woman,’ falls squarely within the ambit of sex-based discrimination that [is prohibited under case law],” the panel concluded.

As previously reported, Anthony Stephens, who now goes by the name Aimee Stephens, was hired as the funeral director and embalmer for RG & GR Harris Funeral Homes in 2007. In 2013, Stephens informed his employer that he had been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and would therefore desire to wear a woman’s suit for work.

Owner Thomas Rost, a professing Christian who also serves on the board of directors for Salvation Army of Metro Detroit, has a company dress code in place, which states that males must wear dark suits and white shirts.

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“R.G. employees understand that the dress code requires funeral directors to wear company-provided suits,” legal argument filed in court outlines. “Rost sincerely believes that he would be violating God’s commands if he were to pay for or otherwise permit one of RG’s funeral directors to wear the uniform for members of the opposite sex while at work.”

Because Stephens sought to wear female clothing, which is a violation of the dress code, and because Rost did not feel comfortable with providing a skirt suit due to his Christian convictions, Stephens was let go. He took the matter to the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), which sued Rost with the aid of the ACLU for gender discrimination.

The EEOC argued in court that since Rost would not otherwise fire an employee for living in sin, his actions to fire Stephens were unbalanced and selective. But Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) asserted that the dress code served an important purpose: to provide a respectful image to the clients with which employees interact.

Rost reportedly provides two suits for male employees in accordance with the dress code, and would also provide the business jacket and skirt should a woman be hired as well.

In August 2016, U.S. District Judge Sean Cox sided with the funeral home and dismissed the EEOC’s legal challenge.“The Court finds that the funeral home has met its initial burden of showing that enforcement of Title VII, and the body of sex-stereotyping case law that has developed under it, would impose a substantial burden on its ability to conduct business in accordance with its sincerely-held religious beliefs,” he wrote.

“Rost sincerely believes that it would be violating God’s commands if he were to permit an employee who was born a biological male to dress in a traditionally female skirt-suit at the funeral home because doing so would support the idea that sex is a changeable social construct rather than an immutable God-given gift,” Cox said.

He pointed to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby Ruling and the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) as the basis of his decision. The RFRA states that the government cannot force any entity to violate their religious convictions unless they use the “least restrictive means” of furthering a “compelling government interest.”

“The Supreme Court has directed that it is not this Court’s role to decide whether those ‘religious beliefs are mistaken or insubstantial,’ Cox explained. “Instead, this Court’s ‘narrow function’ is to determine if this is ‘an honest conviction’ and, as in Hobby Lobby, there is no dispute that it is….”

“Significantly, neither transgender status nor gender identity are protected classes under Title VII,” he also concluded.

However, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals disagreed with Cox’s ruling and overturned the decision on Wednesday.

“[I]t is analytically impossible to fire an employee based on that employee’s status as a transgender person without being motivated, at least in part, by the employee’s sex,” Nelson Moore wrote. “[A]n employer cannot discriminate on the basis of transgender status without imposing its stereotypical notions of how sexual organs and gender identity ought to align. There is no way to disaggregate discrimination on the basis of transgender status from discrimination on the basis of gender non-conformity, and we see no reason to try.”

The court also opined that Rost’s freedom of religious exercise would not be significantly burdened by allowing Stephens to dress as a woman.

“[S]imply permitting Stephens to wear attire that reflects a conception of gender that is at odds with Rost’s religious beliefs is not a substantial burden under RFRA,” the panel asserted.

“We presume that the ‘line [Rost] draw[s]’—namely, that permitting Stephens to represent [himself] as a woman would cause him to ‘violate God’s commands’ because it would make him ‘directly involved in supporting the idea that sex is a changeable social construct rather than an immutable God-given gift,’—constitutes ‘an honest conviction.’ But we hold that, as a matter of law, tolerating Stephens’s understanding of [his] sex and gender identity is not tantamount to supporting it,” it concluded.

Read the ruling in full here.

Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), which represented Rost in court, expressed disappointment with the decision.

“American business owners, especially those serving the grieving and the vulnerable, should be free to live and work consistently with their faith,” said Senior Counsel Gary McCaleb. “The funeral home’s dress code is tailored to serve those mourning the loss of a loved one. Today’s decision misreads court precedents that have long protected businesses which properly differentiate between men and women in their dress and grooming code policies.”

“Court opinions should interpret legal terms according to their plain meaning when Congress passed the law,” he added. “This opinion instead rewrites federal law and is directly contrary to decisions from other federal appellate courts. We are consulting with our client to consider their options for appeal.”


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  • bowie1

    Will “she” now show “her” hairy legs if “she” wears a dress? I’m not sure even stockings would hide such!

    • You realize that most women do not have hairy legs because they shave them, right?

      • Skywatcher57

        Does that make them men? Come on, stick with common sense, science, and sound reasoning! Men do not produce babies; women do! It’s been this way since the dawning of time, so stop trying to fool yourself into believing otherwise.

    • Mr. Chips

      She won’t have hairy legs if she shaves them.

  • manwithnoname

    This person was hired as a man. Male is most likely on his employment application to the funeral home. He misrepresented himself deliberately. He should have been be fired. The sixth circus is also misrepresenting title VII of the law. Transgenderism wasn’t even an issue back then. This opinion of the court is historically and factually fraudulent. Start Impeachment proceedings!!!!

  • The Lone Haranguer

    If he came to work wearing a thong and body paint they would fire him. So,…

    • Skywatcher57

      Who would know he or anybody else was wearing a thong? What difference would it make, because it would or should be out of sight, especially in such a setting as a funeral home. Some clients are not going to like seeing perverts in their faces at a time when emotions are running high, etc. I dare to say that these perverts may very well be putting themselves into harm’s way by acting out in this manner. Some men may decide to take matters into their own hands and tune them in…right on the spot. They are under tremendous stress and emotional duress and don’t need to be faced with such. A fist to the face may shake the gel inside their head and cause two brain cells to come together, inducing them to wake up and to realize just how ill they really are/were. Those are not hate words; those are stating the cold hard facts; not all of us are ready and willing to bend over and take this politically incorrect foolishness into our own lives. There are many men who still view homosexuality as a perversion, as the older psychiatric textbooks rightly name it, and they may strike out.

      What about men who’ve been molested by a member of the LGBTQRST faction? Are they going to feel comfortable in the presence of a “queer” at a time such as this, when they have to deal with the death of a loved one? These messed-up people need to stop and think a minute before jumping to conclusions and acting out…just because they can. There will be consequences on this side of eternity, and on the next. It won’t be fun and games or entertaining as they foolishly suspect. They’re setting themselves up to get hurt, and are too stupid and self-absorbed to realize it.

      If one wants to act out by wearing the clothes of the opposite sex on their own time, so be it. While at work, they’re on their boss’s time clock, and should respect that, considering how their appearance may affect others and themselves. This is a very dangerous situation, and the LGBTEQSTGW and others are forgetting that they used to be in the closet for a very good reason…they used to be ridiculed, attacked, and killed for stepping outside of the accepted and Biblical norm…

      • TheKingOfRhye

        I almost don’t believe what I just read. You’re coming pretty close to advocating violence against LGBT people just for their being LGBT and daring to step even slightly out of the closet in public.

        What about men who’ve been molested by a member of the LGBTQRST faction?
        Are they going to feel comfortable in the presence of a “queer” at a
        time such as this, when they have to deal with the death of a loved one?

        What about people who have been molested by a heterosexual? Are they going to feel comfortable in the presence of a “straight” at a time such as this? Ooh, I got an even better one now that I think about it…..what about people who have been molested by a member of the clergy? I suppose you’d expect and approve of them attacking a priest at a Christian funeral service? (Oh wait, let me guess, that priest’s not a “TRUE Christian”, right? Never mind that that’s beside my point…)

        I understand, sexual abuse is a very serious thing, but if someone’s going to be compelled to violence at the sight of someone they think is LGBT (I say “think” since they just might be wrong), a random person they just happened to meet who they probably never met in their life, because of an incident they didn’t have anything to do with……they have some serious issues to work out with a mental health professional.

        they used to be in the closet for a very good reason…they used to be
        ridiculed, attacked, and killed for stepping outside of the accepted and
        Biblical norm…

        Do you think people being attacked and even killed for “stepping outside of the accepted Biblical norm” is a good thing? You know….I’m not even LGBT, and I almost feel insulted after reading your post.

        • Skywatcher57

          You might want to read my comment over again, and more closely this time. I didn’t advocate killing anybody, nor did I come close to it! I was molested by a homo when I was only 4 years old; it went on for years. Today, I have a lesbian daughter, so why would I advocated killing anybody?! Learn how to read! I was speaking from my heart, and if that’s not good enough for you, then you’re on the wrong site.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Oh, you don’t want anyone killed, but it’s okay as long as it doesn’t get to that, is that it? In your post, even if you didn’t come right out and say you approved of the things you were describing, you didn’t really say anything disapproving of them, did you? And you’re basically saying they bring on such things themselves. Nice, blaming the victim. “They were asking for it”? You even said that someone attacking an LGBT person would “shake the gel inside their head and cause two brain cells to come
            together, inducing them to wake up and to realize just how ill they
            really are/were”. Do you really believe that? You keep talking about the past, and how LGBT were treated then, pretty much forced to “stay in the closet”, so to speak….well, maybe you should look at more recent history, when they started to stand up for themselves.

            Today, I have a lesbian daughter,

            I feel sorry for her then, having a father who thinks she is a “pervert” and “ill” and maybe thinks she needs “a fist to the face”. I’m not LGBT, like I said, but I know my parents (who are Christians, by the way) would have been accepting of it if I was.

      • Sally Edwards

        I would register my disgust at everything you just said, but TheKingOfRhye summed up my own feelings perfectly so there’s no need to say them again. That’s a mighty broad brush you’re tarring people with.

        • Skywatcher57

          You might want to read my comment over again, and more closely this
          time. I didn’t advocate killing anybody, nor did I come close to it! I
          was molested by a homo when I was only 4 years old; it went on for
          years. Today, I have a lesbian daughter, so why would I advocated
          killing anybody?! Learn how to read! I was speaking from my heart, and
          if that’s not good enough for you, then you’re on the wrong site. It angers me that they can call the shots for the normal folks, as it should you, unless you’re one of them!

          • Sally Edwards

            If you were molested then that’s terrible but again that’s one person only and you’re tarring an entire group based on the actions of one.

          • Skywatcher57

            I’m not tarring anybody; the evidence stands for itself, that it is a rampant dirge upon society today. Good day.

          • Sally Edwards

            A dirge is a piece of music, what are you trying to say?
            Nothing “rampant” about it, it’s always been around; clearly the problem for you is that people are becoming TOLERANT of it simply because there is no reason not to be. Your own experience notwithstanding, homosexuals are not predators.

  • Reason2012

    There are dress codes and you can be fired for refusing to adhere to dress codes.

    • If she was wearing the sort of attire that any other female employee would wear, I don’t see what the problem could be.

      • Skywatcher57

        The problem would be “she” is not a female, plain and simple; what part of this article did you not get? This is a mental patient trying to justify their condition, at the expense of others. This is a spiritual matter, and God tells us in His Word how to deal with these matters.

        The inmates are now running the asylum, and anarchy is on the horizon. God’s Word says, “Every man did that which was right in their own sight.” Judges 17: 6. That’s a major problem because there are NO rules, no laws to abide by.. When pedophiles say it’s OK by their standards to rape your son or daughter, and you disagree with their position, then what? Your children become the victim and you’re shut up in the law courts! That’s not a very nice position as a parent to find yourself. It’s coming, just wait for it.

        When a rapist determines he wants to be a female on any given day because his hormones and mental state are out of whack, does it make it right for him to be allowed to go into a women’s washroom or change room and spy out the next potential victim while feigning to be a woman? What if he cannot control his urges and merges right then and there for all to see…the young and the older? The world is in a mess and in desperate need of the Messiah, wouldn’t you agree?

        • james blue

          This is a mental patient trying to justify their condition

          Then wouldn’t the funeral home be violating the Americans with Disabilities Act?

          • Apparently these “Christians” think that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness don’t apply to transgender Americans, that they don’t have the right to do their jobs without fear of being fired for who they are.

          • james blue

            I was simply responding to a remark, not agreeing with a law.

            The DOI and constitution is about government, not the private sector. True it is illegal for someone in the private sector to take your life or imprison you, but while you have the right to pursue happiness you are not guaranteed to find it and nobody is required to help.

          • Skywatcher57

            Apparently, you’re not old enough to remember or to know that these transgenders, not so long ago, had to hide. They were seen as social misfits, abnormal, perverse, and deviate, according to the psychology and psychiatry textbooks at the time. These folks weren’t Christians, but they had enough common sense to realize that society would crumble if they were not dealt with as the law courts about 50 years ago and until recently had stated.

            This is not a Christian vs. them issue; it’s an overall societal issue, and a wise person would be quick to notice the overall implications and repercussions as these people (a minority) IMPOSE their personal opinions and beliefs upon ALL people, not just upon Christians, homophobes, etc.; upon ALL people. Soon, the pedophiles and murderers will be doing the same.

            As a Christian, I can choose to take offense at your statement, or I can shake my head and walk away, knowing the issue will not be going away any time soon, and the underlying agenda. God wants us ALL to be able to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but blatant sin and a destructive spirit/attitude will affect EVERYBODY on some level. I’d just prefer to see a man or a woman comfortable in their own skin on their own time, without imposing and affecting those round about them in a negative way in a business setting. A person my age, if and when confronted by such a mentally unstable individual, will try my best not to laugh or to be absolutely disgusted.

            In all seriousness, as I stated before…a funeral home is no place to be making a mockery of God or of the male species. Serious things can happen because somebody cannot control their urges and passions. Just sayin’. That in NO way, means I don’t believe we cannot have life and liberty and happiness, but it must be done in a manner that will not negatively affect someone else. Apparently, this lifestyle isn’t that happy for the transgenders as 40% of them commit suicide.

            To date, I have not seen anybody try to kill or to demean Christians for being nice, building the first hospitals, universities, or orphanages, or for implementing social assistance organizations. If you go back far enough, you’ll find that it was Christians who started the Child Protection Services many years ago, under a different name. I wonder why we were not persecuted or ostracized for doing such things? It’s because good for society has always been one of our main priorities, honoring God while doing so. We didn’t impose our beliefs upon others, but we got along with others, better than they even got along with themselves.

          • Mr. Chips

            Christians have been a force for good, but they’ve also been destructive and the cause of great misery while trying to impose their beliefs upon others.

          • Skywatcher57

            It depends upon whom you’re calling “Christians”. If you’re referring to the Crusades and Inquisitions, then you’d be referring to the cult of Roman Catholicism that hijacked Biblical Christianity, and not to born again Christians.

            We don’t seek to destroy, and sometimes in our great eagerness for others to share in our blessings in the here and now and in the hereafter, we can make mistakes. True born again Christians are not perfect; we still make mistakes, and as God’s children, we can go to Him, seeking forgiveness, and we should also go to the person we’ve offended and try to make reparations. However, the other party sometimes gets on their own high horse and choose not to accept our apologies and restorative attempts. There is nothing we can do about that; it’s now between them and God. Christians aren’t perfect; we’re forgiven. Which are you? Are you born again, a child of God?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Apparently, you’re not old enough to remember or to know that these
            transgenders, not so long ago, had to hide. They were seen as social
            misfits, abnormal, perverse, and deviate

            I might be younger than you, but I am certainly aware that that was the case at one time. I guess the difference between you and me and a lot of other people is that we don’t see that as a good thing.

          • Skywatcher57

            James, I’m a Canadian, so I don’t know anything about that Act you’ve mentioned. What I do know for sure is that the mental patients now preside over many court rooms, school boards, council chambers, etc.!

          • james blue

            Okay, well I’m an adult….so….

          • Mr. Chips

            Don’ t you have Google in Canada? If this employee is “a mental patient trying to justify their condition” then, according to the Act, it would be illegal to fire her.

          • Skywatcher57

            Yes, Mr. Chips, we have Google in Canada, and the wise avoid it like the plague. Furthermore, I have enough tyrannical and communistic Acts in Kanadastan to deal with, without wasting time looking up all the Acts of other countries, the USA in particular.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        hence the problem Chuckie ………..

      • Billy Pilgrim

        Not a female. A mentally disturbed male. That’s the problem.

        • Sally Edwards

          “Mentally disturbed” – the default explanation from people who are anti-science.

  • RGBA

    Didn’t Jesus wear a dress every single day?

    • Skywatcher57

      No, Jesus didn’t “wear a dress every single day”. He wore a robe, which was customary at that time and still is today, because it is cooler to wear in very hot temperatures. Jesus didn’t put on make-up, etc., as He was the One Who gave the laws, stating that a man lying with another man or women wearing men’s apparel was abominable.

      • RGBA

        What law did Jesus give about men having relations with men? Please elaborate.

        • Skywatcher57

          Check it out for yourself in Deuteronomy Chp. 22, v. 5. It’s quite simple to understand, and very pertinent to this news story.

          • RGBA

            Deuteronomy? Jesus didn’t write that book of the Torah. Deuteronomy is a restatement of the law by Moses; ie;the Ten Commandments. Where did Jesus say anything about men having relations with other men or about what men should or shouldn’t wear? Please try again.

          • Skywatcher57

            Check out John 1:1 and 1 John 5: 7… that should give you a clue. So you see, Jesus dictated all of the Old Testament, and He fulfilled all the laws and the prophecies that He prescribed.

          • RGBA

            John? Jesus didn’t write anything in the Bible. The Bible is man made and many parts of it were written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. Other than the Ten Commandments there is nothing in the Bible that was actually written by Jesus himself. It’s all accounts and transcriptions. Jesus never spoke or wrote about gay men. Ever.

          • Skywatcher57

            If you had read the passages I cited, you’d see that he did. You’re just trying to waste my time, so I’ll bid you adieux.

          • RGBA

            Again, Jesus did not write the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have a red letter bible that has all that Christ ever said in red letters ……
            Unfortunately for you, ALL THE LETTERS ARE RED …….. If it is in the bible then it came from God/Christ/The Holy Spirit …….. The God of the left side of the bible is the EXACT SAME GOD as the right side of the bible ……… There is no disagreement between the triune Godhead on SIN ………

          • RGBA

            Did Jesus actually write it himself? Yes or no?

          • Allan Trenholme

            2 Timothy 3:16-17
            16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.

          • RGBA

            So Timothy wrote that? Again what exactly did Jesus write? The Ten Commandments and what else?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Christ is in control of everything ….. even YOU ……… so basically …. YUP ….. He CAUSED it to be written …………

          • RGBA

            He ‘caused’ it to be written? Ok. Go with that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            he caused you to BE ….. so YUP ……… i will go with that ………….

          • RGBA

            Of course he caused man to BE. But he did not write the Bible. No boom is the Bible is signed by Jesus or Christ. He never even asked for it to be written. The only thing he ever dictated was the Ten Commandments.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            YUP … He surely did ….. He caused it to be just as much as He caused you to be ……… and there is not one thing there that He did not intend …………..

          • RGBA

            And other than the Ten Commandments he did not write one single thing in the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            He composed every single word ………. can i be more clear ………….

          • RGBA

            Jesus didn’t write the Bible. Sorry but he didn’t. It’s a man made collection from different sources. That is historical fact.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            YUP …. He surely DID ………..

          • RGBA

            Keep telling yourself that same lie.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure … prove God is a lie and that He is not in control of His word ……. i will wait …… i have lots of time ……. please feel free to blaspheme Him all you like ………..

          • RGBA

            I’m not saying God is a lie. Never said that. I said that the Bible is a man made book. Why would god or Jesus care about anything as meaningless as a man made book? The only thing He wants and needs is your faith. That’s it. A man made book is meaningless. You can’t take it with you when you die.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ….. when you are saying God is not in control of His word …. YUP … you are calling Him a liar ………….. ” Why would god or Jesus care about anything as meaningless as a man made book?” …. because God and Christ WROTE it for men ………… so they would not make stuff up about what they said ….. or did not say …… like when you said the sky was orange ………….

          • RGBA

            God didn’t write the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            He wrote every word ….. through His chosen people ……….. and not one idle word in it …..

          • RGBA

            God didn’t write the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

          • RGBA

            Spoken and written by Mathew.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Spoken (by Christ) and written (by the Holy Spirit) through and by Mathew.”

            there …… fixed it for you …………

          • RGBA

            So not written by Jesus. Thanks for confirming.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Father /Christ and Holy Spirit are one Godhead ……. there is no disagrement between them …… and through the Holy Spirit/Christ and Father it was written ….. all of them ……… and the really cool part is …. it was all written BEFORE the Creation was made ………….. God is sovereign ………

          • RGBA

            Written by who? Man?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Nope …. written by Father/Christ/Holy Spirit ……. BEFORE the Creation ……….. BEFORE man was created ………….

          • RGBA

            So the Bible was in written form before the creation of man. Who even published it?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it did not have to be “published” …………. it was part of Gods plan of creation ….. there was no plan “B” …… all the parts of that plan were complete before it began …. including scripture ………… just as when we build a road or a tower ….. it is all planned out …. but God does it perfectly …..

          • RGBA

            Ok. If you say so.

          • Mr. Chips

            Actually, we don’t know who any of the authors of the books of the bible were. Did someone called Matthew write the book of Matthew? There’s no evidence that this is the case.

          • RGBA

            Exactly!!! No evidence whatsoever. None.

          • LynnRH

            God has the evidence. That’s all that’s needed.

          • Mr. Chips

            Tell me what the evidence is without quoting from the bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            must be some kind of RCC ideology ……….

          • LynnRH

            You’re welcome to believe whatever you want to believe. But we true Christians WILL believe the Holy Bible is Jehovah God’s inspired absolute Truth. 🙂

          • RGBA

            Good for you.

          • Mr. Chips

            “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9) What’s inspired about killing toddlers?

          • Mr. Chips

            “The only thing he ever dictated was the Ten Commandments.” Why do you think that?

          • RGBA

            Because it’s true.

          • Mr. Chips

            “so basically …. YUP ….. He CAUSED it to be written …………” Wrong. The bible was written by men, and many of the myths and stories in the bible can be found in cultures that pre-date Christianity by a thousand years or more. The creation myth, the great flood, the virgin birth, the crucifixion/resurrection…not unique to Christianity.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ….. that is YOUR interpretation of what occurred …. NOT what did occur ……….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            SCIENCE CONFIRMS GENESIS FLOOD ACCOUNT, AGAIN
            Oceans of water found deep within mantle of planet

            YUP …………..

          • Mr. Chips

            Correct. The bible was written by men and much of what’s in it — the creation myth, the great flood, the virgin birth, the crucifixion/resurrection, etc. — can be found in cultures that pre-date Christianity be a thousand years or more. Meaning…much of what’s in the bible is not unique to Christianity. Anyone who’s actually read the bible and understands it in its cultural and historical context knows this.

          • Mr. Chips

            That passages that you referenced above are not proof that Jesus wrote any parts of the bible. And you’ve used an incorrect translation of 2 Timothy 3:16. It should read: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness…”

          • Allan Trenholme

            Jesus is God…

            The Word Became Flesh
            John 1
            1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

            2 Timothy 3:16-17
            16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.

          • RGBA

            So John and Timothy. Once again, other than the Ten Commandments, what did Jesus himself write?

          • Mr. Chips

            Gods don’t exist.

          • Billy Pilgrim

            Blasphemous troll. Flagged.

          • RGBA

            Thanks.

          • Billy Pilgrim

            Troll.

          • RGBA

            How very Christian of you.

          • Mr. Chips

            BP, the troll with the brand new account, called YOU a troll. LOL!

          • James Flaherty

            He used to use the name Maxwell Edison here, and before that Jerome Horowitz, and before that Jason Todd. His name is Matthew.

          • Mr. Chips

            You’ve got a brand new account. Only 3 posts. How could you know anything about him?

          • James Flaherty

            Because his obnoxious “Troll Flagged” comment, which no one else says, gives him away. He calls everyone he disagrees with a troll and tattletales like a pissant crybaby child.

          • James Flaherty

            It isn’t blasphemy Matthew. Grow a thicker skin. Or leave.

          • Mr. Chips

            I agree with much of what you’ve said here except for one thing – there’s no evidence that Jesus wrote the ten commandments.

          • RGBA

            That’s about the only thing I do concede. Moses was given the Ten Commandments by God. That’s it. Nothing more. To use the Bible as evidence of Gods law towards anything beyond the Ten Commandments is nonsense.

          • Mr. Chips

            “Jesus dictated all of the Old Testament…” According to whom? I support your right to your religious beliefs I refuse to sit idly by while you make stuff up.

          • Skywatcher57

            Have you ever read the Holy Bible in its entirety? If so, you will see that Jesus often quoted the O.T. in the N.T. He, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are one in the Godhead, the Trinity. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God…” 2 Tim. 3: 16, therefore, I would be correct to say that Christ dictated it, as He is God (John 1: 1). I’m not making “stuff up” as you wrongly accuse.

          • Mr. Chips

            I’ve read the bible in its entirety and I’ve studied the bible in its cultural and historical context, which is how I know your statement “Jesus dictated all of the Old Testament…” is incorrect. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God…” ≠ Christ dictated it. So yes, you are making stuff up.

          • Skywatcher57

            I have not only read it, but I’ve been examined on all 66 chapters, when I studied to be a pastor many years ago. You can have the last word, because 2 Tim. 2: 16 says to avoid profane and vain babblings (worldly and empty chattering): for they will increase to more ungodliness, and I’m not walking that pathway with you. Bye bye.

          • Mr. Chips

            “I can’t hear you if I plug me ears!” ?

          • Mr. Chips

            So women aren’t allowed to wear pants? Gtk.

          • Skywatcher57

            It appears you ‘re only here to instigate an argument and not because you really want to know. I’ll answer this one for you…read the passages I cited. This was O.T. law, and you know what, some of those laws were really great assets to modern civilization, e.g. “Thou shalt not kill” or “Thou shalt not steal”. There were reasons why God gave those laws, and likewise, there were reasons why He commanded that women not dress in men’s apparel nor men in women’s. I know…you understand that.

    • Billy Pilgrim

      Troll. Flagged.

      • RGBA

        Thanks

      • James Flaherty

        Your name is Matthew T. Mason.

  • Allan Trenholme

    What they should do is sell the business to a Muslim… now wouldn’t that be interesting eh?! LOL

  • Dianne S

    Great decision. Religion is no excuse for depriving someone of her livelihood. Well done.

    • Freedom foundation

      Hi, Dan.

  • Rachelthemillenial

    When people are grieving, the last thing they need is some bizarro drag queen hanging around. This crazy man obviously has no consideration for the people he is being paid to serve. Maybe word of mouth will eventually shut the place down.

    • Mr. Chips

      The last thing anyone needs is a shrew like you around! Go away!!

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Fortunately there’s a simple solution: Catch him on something and fire him.