Homosexual Actor/Singer Ricky Martin: ‘I Want to Normalize’ Same-Sex, Open Relationships

In a recent interview with the website Vulture, actor and singer Ricky Martin said that he wants to “normalize” same-sex and open relationships, remarking that he believes that it is “good for the world.”

Martin was talking about his role in the sensual and sin-saturated FX television series “American Crime Story: The Assassination of Gianni Versace,” as he plays Antonio D’Amico, the homosexual partner of Gianni Versace.

“I want to normalize relationships like this. It’s good for the world; it’s good for me as a gay man with kids,” he told the outlet. “It’s important that we shed some light on power couples like this, even though he was quiet and behind the scenes and he was just there supporting his man for 15 years.”

Martin himself came out as a homosexual in 2010, writing on his website, “I am a fortunate homosexual man. I am very blessed to be who I am.” He also appeared on the Oprah Winfrey later that year show to discuss the issue, stating that he decided to announce his homosexuality because he didn’t want to teach his children “how to lie.” Martin is the father of twin boys through a surrogate mother.

He announced earlier this year that he had “wed” painter Jwan Yosef.

In the American Crime Story series, Martin, known for his secular hit “Livin’ la Vida Loca” (“Living the Crazy Life”), portrays D’Amico being questioned by the FBI and having to admit that male escorts were being brought in to the relationship. D’Amico and Versace were stated to have had an “open” relationship where they could have physical relations with other men.

“It was a very excruciating scene for me,” Martin explained to Vulture. “I mean, this guy was opening every door that was a secret from Gianni’s and Antonio’s relationship. I’m talking about bringing men into our lives. I’m talking about bringing escorts.”

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“But before that interrogation, it’s still confusing, even now, if you have a boyfriend that brings escorts to you for you to have intimacy with. But that is the reality for many men and women, and I cannot say only in the gay world. There are many relationships that are open,” he also stated later in the interview.

Nonetheless, despite his discomfort with the scene, Martin remarked that he felt that the story needed to be told to the world so that viewers could see the “level of security … and trust” between the two men, remarking that he wanted to “normalize” a type of lifestyle for open relationships.

“We want to normalize another kind of reality for open relationships. And that’s what we’re doing,” he said. “There’s absolutely nothing wrong. We’re just two very self-secure men that are completely in love with each other, that trust each other to the maximum level, and here we are.”

Read Martin’s remarks here.

The Versace family and D’Amico have stated to various outlets that some of the aspects of the drama are inaccurate.

According to reports, Martin was raised Roman Catholic, but now identifies as open to, and has dabbled with, other religions.

As previously reported, Christians believe, that homosexuality—like any inclination that is contrary to the law of God—is a part of the Adamic sin nature that must be regenerated by the second birth, as Jesus outlined in John 3:5-7, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

2 Corinthians 5:14-17 also reads, “For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead. And that He died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again. … Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

Jesus also outlined in Matthew 19:4-5, “Have ye not read that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they twain shall be one flesh?'” Every Scripture referencing couples also refers to a husband and his wife.

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  • Susan Perelka

    So, where are the lines that should not be crossed in this rationality? Anything goes is the philosophy. Pedophile next, how about bestiality? What about rough sex being pushed to the point of someones death? Will incest be ok and parents can sleep with their own children? He was even uncomfortable playing a gay character who was unfaithful, so his conscience is still pricking him that unfaithfulness is wrong, no one wants to be lied to who say they are committed to you and then break that promise, it hurts. Where does it stop? This is a dangerous path to go down and many will suffer the consequences. God gave us perameters for our good because left to our own devices we lack self restraint and people get hurt. A society with no boundaries will create chaos. That is what they are truly promoting whether or not they realize it. This is Satan’s cunning, making them believe it will end in good when in reality Satan is only out to kill, steal, and destroy them. Pray for this man, he is created in the image of God. Pray that our heavenly Father would draw him to His Son Jesus Christ and that Christ will reveal the Father to Him, so he can have the power of the Holy Spirit to see the truth and overcome his sin nature. Then his blind eyes will see and the devils lies will be exposed.

    • Darwin C

      The line is consent. Adults can consent. Children cannot. Animals cannot.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        Engaged Ohio Teacher Had Sex With 13-Year-Old Female Student From Her School
        An Ohio teacher was sentenced on Wednesday to three years in prison for sexual battery after she pleaded guilty to having sex with a 13-year-old female student.

        sure … consent as a standard is not a standard …. it is an excuse …….. it is bull roar …..

        • Mike C.

          Pasco pastor r@ped young parishioner, told her she was possessed by demon
          “Detectives say Martinez’s wife did not know he had been visiting the teenager at her home.”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Really ….. 12 and 13 year olds can consent to abortions in certain states …… so your point is a lie …………….

          • Mike C.

            My comment was in response to the topic of adults raping children. An underage child cannot legally consent to sex with an adult.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            guess what … if they can consent to an ABORTION …… sex has already taken place …… and how do you know consent was not given ….. if they can consent to an INVASIVE MEDICAL procedure …. then they can “consent” to sex …….. ummmmm …. DUH!!!!! …………..

        • Darwin C

          Huh? A 13 year cannot consent. That is why the (former) teacher is properly in jail.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but they can consent to an INVASIVE MEDICAL ABORTION to get rid of a baby AFTER HAVING SAID SEX ………… Really ……….. what color is the sky where you are ……….

      • Billy Pilgrim

        Explain Lindsay Amer.

        • Mike C.

          Explain who that is.

          • Billy Pilgrim

            Lindsay Amer is the creator of a YouTube channel that openly and admittedly teaches homosexuality, transvestism and other types of sexual perversion and mental illness to very young children. In one notorious video she talks about “consent.” You do not talk about consent to very young children in this kind of context unless the G in LGBT also stands for grooming. Which is what she is doing.

          • Mike C.

            Thanks for the introduction. I watched her video on consent and found it to be both approachable and informative. It’d be a good resrouce for parents who aren’t comfortable talking about such things with their kids.

          • Billy Pilgrim

            Which means you are trolling or you think it’s okay for adults to be boffing kids, in which case you need to be banned and reported to the FBI.

          • Mike C.

            Teaching children about consent does not make one “kiddie boffer,” and anyone who doesn’t understand the difference needs to seek professional help. (Hint: Get help.)

          • Billy Pilgrim

            Projection. FAIL.

          • Mike C.

            Get help, sicko!

          • Billy Pilgrim

            Is this Ambulance Chaser?

          • Mike C.

            Nice new account. How many times have you been banned?

          • Billy Pilgrim

            So what we have here is a pedo-defending troll with the intellect of a five-year-old: “No, I’m not! You are!”

            This is not your playground, boy.

          • Mike C.

            How many times have you been banned?

          • Billy Pilgrim

            This is not even about me, boy.

          • Mr. Chips

            Multiple times obviously.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is grooming and “NORMALIZATION” to being one and creating victims ………..

          • Darwin C

            Teaching about consent is the opposite of grooming. Pedophiles tell their victims to ignore their discomfort, disregard their feelings and do what their told.

            Consent gives children the right to say “no”. Patriarchal cultures have difficulty with that, but every person no matter how old has a right to say “No. Don’t touch me.”

            I told my children when they were preschoolers “Nobody is allowed to touch you without your permission, and you can’t touch other people without their permission.” This is an important message.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. it is the ESSENCE of it ………..

  • Susan Perelka

    Abba Father, Forgive us our apathy. For compromising Your Word and allowing our garments to become stained by the world. Jesus wash us clean. Create in us a new heart O’Lord and renew in us a steadfast spirit. LORD, we have desired our own comfort more than people being freed from Satan’s clutches. We have remained silent, as the enemy is destroying people, whom You love. Father, give us boldness and confidence to proclaim Your truth in love. Raise us up elders, whom You have tested and have found faithful. Faithful stewards. Raise them up to lead your sheep with a godly example, unwavering in their faith, mature in the Spirit. Give us men like the Apostle Paul and King David. Have them stand before leaders to testify to the gospel message. Have mercy on us LORD, forgive us, and remember Your loving-kindness from old. Speak to Your people, show us where we need to repent and give us the strength to overcome our weaknesses. In our weakness, show Yourself strong. Father, give us discernment and wisdom in every circumstance. To know when to stay and keep witnessing, and when to shake the dust off our feet and move on. We need You LORD, heal us, help us, guide us, teach us, comfort us. Open Your word to us so that we do not sin against You. Help us to go and make disciples (followers) of Jesus Christ. Give us discernment to spot the wolves in sheep’s clothing and the wisdom on how to handle them. You are Almighty God and nothing is impossible for You. You raise up kings and take them down. You raise up nations and take them down. You are God! Free us from wicked men who have risen up to leadership in this nation. Give us men who fear God, who will not show partiality when judging, who will not hold their hand out to a bribe, who will do justice and show mercy, and help the poor and needy. Be merciful to us LORD! Give us wisdom to undo what we have done. Thank you LORD for Your mercy, compassion and loving-kindness. For those who have ears to hear, let them hear what the Spirit has to say. In Jesus precious name. AMEN!

  • disqus_VBKaKmUIYx

    Normalize? Of course you want to normalize your perversion, sort of takes the heat off of you, doesn’t it? You have a mental illness, and you refuse treatment. Your kids need to be taken away from you, you are NOT normal.

  • LynnRH

    Just yet ANOTHER lost soul! True Christians……he needs our prayers.

    • ♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥


  • Freedom foundation

    An aging, one-hit-wonder has-been craves to be noticed, so he says something about sex in order to get attention. Wait 5 days and he’ll say something about global warming.

    The washed-up ex-celebrities are so pathetic in trying to get attention.

    • Mr. Chips

      Ricky Martin has been performing from the age of 13. He’s had 3 Top 10 hits,
      released more than 10 solo albums, written music for movie soundtracks, acted in films and has a net worth of $60 Million. Not bad for a “washed-up,” “one-hit-wonder”!

      He’s not trying to get attention, he gets attention wherever he goes because after more than 30 years in show business, he’s still beloved by millions the world over.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        “He’s not trying to get attention, he gets attention wherever he goes because after more than 30 years in show business, he’s still beloved by millions the world over.”

        YUP …. ENDORSING people they DO NOT KNOW ………….

        • Mike C.

          What are you going on about? Please ask your care worker to adjust your meds. You’re not making sense.

      • Mike C.

        The fools attacking Martin a washed up has been must have very sad, pathetic lives. Amos is their leader.

      • Billy Pilgrim

        Doesn’t mean his endorsement of sexual perversion is of any worth.

        • Mr. Chips

          Doesn’t mean that your opinion is if any worth. Go sit down.

          • Billy Pilgrim

            Sure it is. It’s the perspective of a Christian on a Christian website.


          • Amos Moses – He>i

            he is a person who pretends he was a christian ….. null set ………

    • Mike C.

      Say the aging no-hit wonder. LOL!

      • Billy Pilgrim

        Ad hominem. Sure you can do better.

        • Mike C.

          I answered like with like. Besides, Mr. Chips did that below.

          • Billy Pilgrim

            No. You did not. Ricky Martin opened himself to criticism with his disgusting and immoral suggestion.

            Your response was nothing more than a personal attack.

          • Mr. Chips

            Take it easy, grandma. No one asked you. Go take a nap.

  • Bill Pasteurfield

    Normalize sin and drag the rest of humanity into the pits of hell with you. Good on you Ricky Arsehole. Satan will be very proud of you for a short period before God judges you and condemns you to the fiery pit with your father of lies.

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination …”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Even Jesus points out marriage is a man and a woman.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

  • Ricardo González Sulbarán

    Ricky is so Wise. A real inspiration for real men. Love him.

    • The Lone Haranguer

      Nothing “wise” about sexual perversion. Twisted and warped.

      • Mr. Chips

        There’s nothing wise about condemning people that you don’t know. It’s usually the ones who call others perverts who are engaging in such activities behind the scenes. I’d love to see the history file on your computer. ?

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “There’s nothing wise about ENDORSing people that you don’t know. It’s usually the ones who call others NORMALs who are engaging in such activities behind the scenes. I’d love to see the history file on your computer.”

          • Mike C.

            Again, not making any sense. Get help.

        • Billy Pilgrim

          So…what is your point?

  • ♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥

    For some people open relationships are fun. But you are putting yourself in a health risk. Also everyone you have sex with.It is not worth the risk to you or your partners.

  • mikegillespie

    “Open relationships” are for people unable to love deeply. In other words, narcissists, emotional retards, users. If you can’t or won’t commit, you are not an adult. You obviously have zero self-respect if you let someone talk you into such a relationship. You were made in the image of God, you are not supposed to objectify a body as an object to be used nor allow yourself to be used. Don’t settle for a “kinda sorta” love. If you settle for being a “friend with benefits,” you’ve got really low standards. Show a user the door and slam it hard.

  • Sven

    Never even heard of this character. Was he something like the 94th runner-up on American Idol or Star Search or those other shows that the hicks watch? Who cares what he thinks?

  • He needs Jesus.

  • If it’s okay for you “Christians” to put (same-sex) marriage and the word ‘wed’ in inverted commas – to denote what you regard as their inauthenticity – then it must similarly be okay for others to put “Christians” in them too.

    • LynnRH

      Go right ahead if it make you feel better. We Christians know the difference.

      • The difference between reality and fantasy? I don’t think so.

        • LynnRH

          sure we true Christians know the difference between reality and fantasy. Reality is what we true Christian’s believe and fantasy is what you unbeliever’s believe.

          • Sure you do. Angels and demons, spirits and make-believe gods, heaven and hell, mass resurrection and eternal life – they’re all real, Lynn. But only in the heads of you “Christians”.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and right now ….. Stephen Hawking has Spontaneously converted to THEISM ….. as he now knows the truth ………..

          • And you know this, how?

            You prove my point – it’s all make believe without a single scrap of evidence.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the truth is not proven … it is the proof …. and it is either accepted ….. or it is not …… it is not our job to CONVINCE you of the truth …… it is our job to PRESENT the truth to you ….. if it has no effect on you …… then the truth has done its job ….. it has made a liar out of the person who cannot hear it ……….

          • You do know most of what you’ve written here doesn’t make any sense, don’t you? ‘The truth is not proven… it is the proof’ is meaningless and just the kind of thing we’ve come to expect from “Christians” with no evidence for their hocus-pocus.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i know it makes no sense to you ….. truth is not proven ….. it is DISproven ….. so if it is not the truth ….. THEN DISPROVE IT …………..

          • The burden of proof rests with the one making fantastical claims – that’s you and other “Christians”, otherwise by your logic, ‘you must believe in anything you can’t disprove. That
            means all things are real until disproved – including the tooth fairy,
            the Loch Ness Monster, Santa Claus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc’ (G. M. Jackson).

            You don’t believe in those things do you – nor Allah or Zeus or Ra? Yet no-one had to ‘disprove’ these for you. Neither do I have to disprove your nonsensical claims. You want them to stand then it’s you who has to ‘prove’ them. Personally,I don’t think you’re up to it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE …. in any court in this country ….. claims of truth are DISPROVEN …… and it is done EVERYDAY ….. so the burden IS ON YOU …………..

          • No, they’re not. Guilt is proven in a court, not ‘truth claims’. How is it proven? Through evidence. Where is yours for all these supernatural beings you say exist? You’ve presented none because there is none.

            I no more have to disprove your claims than you do mine that I keep a pink unicorn in my garage. It’d up to me to present evidence it’s really there. But, just like you with your God, Christ, angels and the rest, I can’t. So instead I’ll just say, like you do, that it’s your clouded mind that’s preventing you from seeing my unicorn.

            Never mind, ‘Amos Moses’, come back when you know how to argue properly (and can express yourself without rows of dots and your finger on the caps lock).

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ……. all claims in court are either disproven or stand as unrebutted …… if you do not like what christains say … THEN REBUT it …. DISPROVE it …… or take a hike ……….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “The burden of proof rests with the one making fantastical claims”

            and that it is “fantastical claims” ….. is just YOUR opinion ….. and not based in REALITY ….. just in your clouded mind ……….. AGAIN ….. if you have a blindfold on ….. and i place a bottle of soda in front of you …… you cannot see it but it is still there and still real …… and your inability to see it does not remove it from existence ….. and if we tell you it is there and you still deny it …… it is still there ………..

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          homo-mirage is just that …. a MIRAGE ….. and you do not seem to know the difference ……….

          • You “Christians” keep saying we unbelievers ‘don’t know the difference’ – between what and what? Fantasy and reality? Yes we do, as I’ve already said. There are no gods, Christs, angels, demons, spirits, heaven, hell, eternal life etc other than in your heads. If you want to show there is, then provide some evidence these things exist independent of the human imagination (and no, the bible isn’t evidence, it’s just the writings of other deluded souls like yourselves).

            BTW, you only ever need three dots to indicate an ellipsis, not a whole string of them.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” There are no gods, Christs, angels, demons, spirits, heaven, hell, eternal life etc”

            is that a scientific or theological statement …………

          • It’s a statement of fact. You believers-in-nonsense have had millennia to provide evidence of supernatural beings and have always failed to do so. Why? Because there’s no such thing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no, no, no, no, no …………. if it is a FACT ….. a fact BASED ON WHAT …….. otherwise all you have is your own chin music flapping in the wind …. so AGAIN …… is that a SCIENTIFIC or theological statement ……………

          • It’s a fact based on the evidence – there is none for supernatural beings. Call that scientific if you want, it’s a fact nonetheless. Produce some evidence of God, Christ, angels, demons, heaven, hell, powers and principalities or Holy Spirits that’s independent of the human imagination and I’ll withdraw my statement and review my understanding of reality.

            Oh, I remember, you can’t. I’ve asked you already and you’ve fudged it. Neither has any “Christian” produced evidence of these things in the past 2000 years. Therefore it remains a fact these imaginary beings don’t exist. See my other comment to you regarding where the burden of proof lies – with you, the one claiming the fantastical is real.

            I see we’re back to strings of dots again. Do they represent the bits missing from your thinking?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “It’s a fact based on the evidence ”

            so science ….. is that what you are saying …. as science is EVIDENCE based ….. you are making a POSITIVE ASSERTION of non-existence …… you are the one making the claim …………. absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence ……….. now by your OWN STANDARD ….. describe your experiment ……. where are your data runs and how did you perform this experiment to determine your results ….. what were the controls you had in place …… what data did you throw out and on what basis ….. where is your PEER REVIEWED STUDY ….. and who read that study and approved its publication and where can it be found …………… because you are claiming science …. this is the current scientific methodology science recognizes ….. show me what you have ………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Neither has any “Christian” produced evidence of these things in the past 2000 years. ”

            and yet christianity survives despite your disbelief …… and many have tried to defame it ….. and they are dead ….. and christianity is till here ………… and the thing is …. if you have a blindfold on ….. and i place a bottle of soda in front of you …… you cannot see it but it is still there and still real …… and your inability to see it does not remove it from existence ….. and if we tell you it is there and you still deny it …… it is still there ………..

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Tired of LGBTETC lecturing, movie fans flock to Christian films

  • TruthisLove

    What a super dishonest rebel against God, life, and joy.