Student Booted From University’s Religious Studies Course For Contending There Are Only Two Genders

Photo Credit: Lake Ingle/Fox News

INDIANA, Pa. — A student at the Indiana University of Pennsylvania says he was kicked out of his religious studies course for contending in class that there are only two genders and for providing his views when his professor had asked to hear from women only.

Lake Ingle says that on Feb. 28, his class was shown a TED Talk recording of former church planter and pastor Paul Williams, who now goes by the name Paula, as he discussed “mansplaining,” “male privilege,” and male sexism. The video was part of a study on “Christianity 481: Self, Sin, and Salvation,” and was entitled “I’ve lived as a man & a woman—here’s what I learned.”

Ingle states that at the end of the recording, his female professor asked for comment from women only. After no girls in the class sought to speak, he decided to provide his point of view, stating that biologists believe that there are only two biological genders. He also outlined why he disagrees that there is a wage gap between men and women.

“The floor was opened, and not a single woman spoke. Thirty seconds or so passed and still no woman had spoken. So, I decided it was permissible for me to enter the conversation, especially because I felt the conversation itself was completely inappropriate in its structure,” Ingle recalled to Campus Reform. “It was during my objection that Dr. [Alison] Downie attempted to silence me because I am not a woman.”

The following day, in meeting with his professor, he was provided with an Academic Integrity Referral Form and an agreement, outlining that Downie wanted Ingle to apologize to the entire class and then listen as his professor—and any students that wished to—outlined how his choice to speak out made her feel.

Ingle is officially accused of “[d]isrespectful objection to the professor’s class discussion structure; refusal to stop talking out of turn; angry outbursts in response to being required to listen to a trans speaker discuss the reality of white male privilege and sexism; disrespectful references to the validity of trans identity and experience; [and making a] disrespectful claim that a low score on any class work would be evidence of professor’s personal prejudice.”

Days later, he received a letter from Provost Timothy Moerland advising him that Downie wanted him removed from the class.

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“Due to the serious nature of this issue, you are barred from attending this class in accordance with the Classroom Disruption policy,” Moerland wrote. “You will not be allowed to return to class until the pending academic integrity charges against you are fully adjudicated.”

Ingle believes that the university is infringing upon his right to free speech and to present ideas that differ with what is being indoctrinated by his professor.

“My professor pretty much just tried to shut me up because she was just letting women speak,” he told Fox News. “I brought up the fact that biologists don’t agree that there’s more than two genders and I said the wage gap she’s referring to—77 cents on the dollar—that even the New York Times debunked that.”

Ingle, who now has obtained legal representation, also told Campus Reform that “the wording in the [accusatory] documents is not only exaggerated, but more than one line is entirely untruthful and is done so purposefully to discredit my views and paint me as intolerant and ignorant.”

He said that he is not seeking to prove his views correct in fighting the charges, but is rather wanting to defend the right to disagree. Ingle, a senior, also needs to be able to complete the course in order to graduate.

A ruling from the university is scheduled for March 19.


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  • Amos Moses – He>i

    UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA GUIDE: SAYING “I’M NOT RACIST” IS RACIST
    “Microaggression” list scorns would-be bigots
    Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars com – MARCH 13, 2018

    An official University of California list of racist “microaggressions” asserts that saying “I’m not racist” is racist.

    The university guide defines microaggressions as, “everyday verbal, nonverbal, and environmental slights, snubs, or insults, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative messages to target persons based solely upon their marginalized group membership.”

    Examples listed on the university’s official website include telling someone, “you speak English very well,” telling an Asian person that they are good at math and insisting that “America is a melting pot”.

    Using the phrase, “I’m not racist, I have several black friends” is also listed as an example of “racism”.

    Deliberate mind control ……..1984 DOUBLE-THINK ……. “I am not” ….. “Oh, Yeah you are because you just said you are not so you MUST be.”

    Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    • Michael C

      Have you read the source material?

      It doesn’t claim that not being racist is racist. It doesn’t claim that having black friends is racist either.

      It simply says that it’s not okay to deny that something you said was racist simply because you ‘have black friends.” Having black friends doesn’t excuse anyone from saying racist things. Do you disagree?

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        people will take a mile when given an inch ……. and it will be used in ways not intended …. so even though you disagree with the assessment ….. “everyday verbal, nonverbal, and environmental slights, snubs, or insults, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative messages to target persons based solely upon their marginalized group membership.” …. sounds like it will mean whatever they WANT it to mean ….. as long as someone CLAIMS to offended …… re:”whether intentional or unintentional, ” ……………….

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        i went to my supervisors office and he told me my performance was below standard ….. i said i was REALLY offended by that …… and he said “then you are REALLY going to be offended by what i say next” …….. put on your big boy pants and be a grown up …………………..

        • Sally Edwards

          Do you not get REALLY offended when someone tells you that you can’t discriminate against people of the same sex getting married, or that you can’t deny them service in a shop because they’re homosexual?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Do you really NOT GET that they made a REALLY BAD life choice and it is not my job to “smooth out” THEIR ERROR ………………………

          • Sally Edwards

            My point is that you like to mock people for being offended, but you get offended just like everyone else. Someone wants to pull up a 10 commandments statue because it’s in a public area. Going to tell me that doesn’t offend you? Please.

            Also, your sexuality isn’t a life choice.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i expect the WORLD to reject God …………. the world does not know God …… so no …. i am not offended by it being removed …… i am offended by the false logic that is used to do it ….. and YES ….. who we decide to get naked with IS A CHOICE …………

          • Sally Edwards

            No it isn’t Amos, for heaven’s sake, get your psychology information from psychology sources and stop turning to ancient holy texts for modern facts and data.

            It isn’t “false logic” offending you here, it’s accepted, verifiable logic. But regardless of what it is, you’re offended, so don’t pretend it’s only your opponents who get offended about things.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            except you have no “verifiable logic” ……….. ALL logic, science, math, and every other thing comes from God ……. so if you have another source …… it is unverifiable …….. and garbage ……… “so don’t pretend it’s only your opponents who get offended about things.”
            ……. i do not ….. BUT ….. i do not expect them to come over to me and cuddle me and give me a cookie and say “there, there, thats a good Amos” ……. or any other such childish behavior to coddle my “FEEELINGS” …………..

          • Sally Edwards

            We are done here.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            BYE … see ya ….. would not wanna be ya ……….. dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya ………..

          • Sally Edwards

            Is this what you say to everyone who’s realized that talking to you is like talking to a brick wall? Why, I believe it is.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are the one who wanted to say we are done ….. in fact you SAID it … YOUR words … not mine …… all i said was BUH-BYE ……….. and now you want to come back and complain about the way i said it ……. FYI …… what i said was to get you to respond and continue the conversation ….. and guess what ….. it worked ………….. here you are again …….. i have no interest in getting you to leave …… i cant get you to a christian worldview if you do ….. which is my goal …… and again ….. here you are …………… good to see ya ……… 😉 …….

          • Sally Edwards

            Yeah, we’re done because there is no getting through to you, not because you’ve achieved a triumphant victory in logic and reason, so you can just let it go without the lame “would not wanna be ya, don’t let the door hit ya” line you use every single time.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you think “compromise” is some kind of virtue …………… if a person knows the truth ….. where is there to move but AWAY from it ……………

          • Sally Edwards

            If only you knew what truth meant.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            truth is not a what …… it is a WHO …………… it is a person ………..

          • Sally Edwards

            Not according to MY dictionary, Charlie.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            this is a christian site …… your dictionary is not the final authority … and neither are you ………….

          • Sally Edwards

            Christians don’t use dictionaries?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is not the final authority …. NOR is it a means to determine truth ………. NOR does it contain truth …….. and its “definitions” are far from unchanging as they change due to mens fickle nature …… truth does not change and exists whether you accept it or not …… and since “definitions” change all the time …… they are by that very nature NOT truth …….

          • Sally Edwards

            For definitions, yes, the dictionary is the final authority. Your faith does not grant you the ability to re-define things on a whim.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no it is not ………….. sorry …… the dictionary CAME from the bible …….. so your source is from MY “religious text” …….. and “Your faith does not grant you the ability to re-define things on a whim.” applies to YOU …….. as YOUR faith in the dictionary is a theft from MY FAITH ….. and words like “marriage” and “sex” and “sexuality” and “depravity” HAVE been redefined at a WHIM …… but YOU accept that NONSENSE …………. so big FAIL for your argument ………..

          • Sally Edwards

            I tell you what you do.
            Appear in court and give one of your made-up “Biblical definitions” when the rest of the courtroom is using the accepted word from the dictionary and see which one of you the judge sides with.

            Why am I even asking you, you’d probably go to jail as a religious martyr believing yourself to be right even after being soundly humiliated.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ….. we do not have to go to any court …… you can either accept the definitions or NOT ….. i do not care …… and if that is unacceptable ….. then take a hike Mike ………….. this forum is about christianity and christians discussing things relevant to christians …… and we are not going to change it for you …… nor is there any “court” to alter that ……….

          • Sally Edwards

            You aren’t representing Christians when you make bizarre statements about the dictionary not being applicable to you. So that argument goes right down the toilet. Your religion doesn’t give you a free pass to anything in the real world. You answer to all the same laws as the rest of us. And Christians would agree with me…not you.

            And just to bring this discussion back to planet earth, truth is a what. Not a who.

          • Daniel Lee

            logic and science have been corrupted ever since the fall of man, where knowledge of evil was added to knowledge of the Creator’s goodness. Indeed, Plato’s work defining platonic love, coming from one without saving knowledge of the Creator, is a key philosophical root to the corrupt sense of purer love being transcendent of gender, but academic institutions are historically loathe to give him up as a pillar of civilization, even when for example the Elite American Universities as institutions were in their prime as ostensibly Christian seminaries. Plato is similar to Confucius in the sense of thinking that if there is no God, one must be made, establishing an ethos based upon the approval of the easily verifiable work of man rather than a righteousness based upon faith first and foremost. Faithlessness is condemned just as seriously or even more fundamentally as actually closer to the root of misbehavior – impiety and love of the world. This matters because knowledge that precedes faith is a mental trap since it has not yet been refined by heavenly wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy One – it is the good and perfect gifts which are from the LORD.

          • All sin is a choice otherwise it would not be sin.

          • Sally Edwards

            You cannot just take any behavior you don’t like and label it “sin”.

          • No I cannot but our creator God can and He is never wrong.

          • Sally Edwards

            Yes, but you hate things God does not.

          • Please explain.

          • Sally Edwards

            I will clarify, you call things “sin” which are not even mentioned in the Bible.

          • What things do I call sin that are not mentioned in the Bible?

          • Sally Edwards

            Transgenderism for one. There are many others.

          • A man pretending to be a woman or a woman pretending to be a man is forbidden by God as well as is all else that is LGBT.

            The good news is that Christ did not come into the world to condemn the world but that through Him the world might be saved.
            ———————
            John 3:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
            16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

          • Sally Edwards

            And the bad news – for you – is that transgenderism is not a matter of a man pretending to be a woman or vice versa, which means you’re misrepresenting transgenderism and applying God’s name to something that you completely misunderstand, or more accurately, something you refuse to take the time to understand properly.

          • I do not misunderstand and neither does God.
            ——————
            Deuteronomy 22:5 New King James Version (NKJV)
            5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.
            ——————–
            Matthew 19:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV)
            4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a] them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’[b] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

          • Mr. Chips

            Re: “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man…” So women are forbidden to wear pants?

          • Not if they are made for a woman to wear.

          • Sally Edwards

            Do you seriously believe people had the same level of knowledge and education on the subject of transgenderism 2000 years ago that they do now?

          • Do you seriously think God missed that part of His Creation and it caught Him by surprise?

          • Sally Edwards

            Well, he hasn’t provided an update in a couple thousand years, and said nothing about it to begin with, so why don’t you tell me?

          • God is holy, righteous, true and unchanging. It was sin 5,000 years ago and is sin today and I already gave you His Word on this from His Holy Word aka The Bible.

          • Sally Edwards

            No, because there was no mention of it 2000 years ago and it is only starting to be properly understood now. You have not provided scripture about it and you can’t, because it’s not mentioned. At all.

          • Deuteronomy 22:5 New King James Version (NKJV)
            5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.
            ——————–
            Matthew 19:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV)
            4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a] them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’[b] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

          • Sally Edwards

            Neither verse discusses the psychology of sexual identity.

          • There is no psychology in this except the psychotic psychology of sin. God loves you and wants you to be a child of His.

          • Sally Edwards

            I’ll let the medical professionals and psychology experts make that decision, thanks. You know, the ones who went to universities to take the time to actually study it rather than point at an ancient holy text.

          • It is God, the author of and Lord of all Creation, that has initiated and put all this in place and those so called experts you worship are nothing more than educated fools.

          • Sally Edwards

            It was also God who gave them the brains and the wisdom to learn their craft.

          • And it is Satan who is the father of lies.

          • Sally Edwards

            So people who go to university to learn are led by Satan?

          • Only those whose “education” contradict God.

          • Sally Edwards

            When they possess data, facts and proof, it has nothing to do with God OR Satan. It’s simply truth, and you have no choice but to accept it.

          • Satan is the great deceiver. He has been doing this to mankind since Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He even has the ability to appear as an angel of light.

            When Man’s “wisdom” is in conflict with God and His Holy Word, I will cast my lot with God every time.

          • Sally Edwards

            When you know something to be true and you deliberately elect to deny it, it is called “willful ignorance” and there is never an excuse for it.

          • I agree and I know that what God has said is true.

          • Sally Edwards

            Well, you can’t have it both ways. When we discover science is right about something the Bible doesn’t even mention, then you have to accept that what you’ve been taught is incorrect.

          • The Bible does mention it and God said it is a sin. He gave us His son Christ Jesus to cure us from the disease of sin. He loves you right here and right now and wants you to be a child of His.

          • Sally Edwards

            In the face of proof and evidence, any faith matters for me dissipate quickly. Sorry.

          • Philippians 2:9-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
            9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

          • ppp777

            There is no evidence to back you up , whether in scripture or anywhere else , it is a perversion .

          • Sally Edwards

            You are welcome to present any scientific data you like that confirms it is a “perversion”, but you won’t find it because it is scientifically proven with enormous amounts of evidence, and “perversion” is just an insult anyway and not anything more than an opinion.

          • ppp777

            You have obviously ” been given over to a reprobate mind ” , that’s why even the likes of Amos can’t get through to you .

          • Sally Edwards

            Amos has repeatedly shown himself to be in defiance of the dictionary. You can’t rest on that same excuse. Your use of the word “perversion” isn’t rooted in science.

          • LynnRH

            And you are in defiance of God Almighty. And as far as science goes we true Christians will believe God over science any day!

          • Sally Edwards

            No offense, but that’s a knee-jerk reaction to someone who has the nerve to disagree with you. And science is reliable.

          • LynnRH

            Seems to me i’m hearing a whole lot of “willful ignorance” going on around here haven’t you Doug?

          • Romans 11:29-31 New King James Version (NKJV)
            29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.

          • LynnRH

            Amen. I totally agree. 🙂

          • LynnRH

            But Doug…….Sally Edwards (miss know-it-all, even more than God Almighty Himself knows) says in her statement above, “you have no choice but to accept it” so might as well give up. LOL

          • There is a spiritual battle going on for this one. Please join me in praying for her.

          • John O

            I disagree . when Israel became a nation after ww2, it fulfilled a 2400 year old prophecy. if u start thinking of eternity the present problems will be left our Creator. if u deny a Creator, please read Romans 1

          • Sally Edwards

            This isn’t about denying a creator, it’s about there being nothing about transgenderism in the Bible. And there isn’t.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            WOW …. because i have been in NUMEROUS conversations right here on this forum ….. where it was claimed that it DOES …… so which is wrong ….. YOU ….. or the “TRANSGENDERED” person i had the conversations with ………. do tell ….. which of you is a liar …………..

          • Sally Edwards

            Look Amos, it isn’t hard. Either present me with scripture that specifically addresses transgenderism or admit it does not appear anywhere in the Bible. And invite anyone you know to do the same.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            as i said …. AGAIN …..i have been in NUMEROUS conversations right here on this forum ….. WITH “TRANSGENDERED” PERSONS …… or so they claim ………. where THEY claimed that it DOES appear in scripture …… and that it is NOT a SIN …….. so are YOU ….. or the “TRANSGENDERED” person i had the conversations with LYING ………. do tell ….. which of you is a liar ………….. YOU are on the “TRANSGENDERED” side of this issue ….. your position is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to their position …… you both CANNOT be telling the truth ……. so ….. AGAIN …… which of you IS LYING …..

          • Sally Edwards

            So you can’t name the scripture. Consider the matter settled. Thank you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            MATTHEW 19 …….. that is the scripture they used …………..

          • Sally Edwards

            I don’t care who used it. It doesn’t say transgendered or specifically refer to them. They are wrong and so are you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so when it says ……….

            19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
            19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

            that is not them …… and YOU are calling THEM LIARS ………… and they are wrong and you are right ….. WHY ………….

          • Sally Edwards

            Eunuchs are not transgendered people. That’s why.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            WHY …. who says … YOU say so ….. WHY …. what are YOUR qualifications to make that judgement …… those “transgenders” are reading the exact same text …… what makes you smarter than them …… are YOU a “transgender” ……….

          • Sally Edwards

            Because they’re not transgendered people, Amos. They have entirely different definitions. Do you know what a transgendered person is? Maybe you don’t and that explains why you’re so unsympathetic to them. A eunuch is a sexless person. A transgendered person still has a gender.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            WHO are you and WHAT are YOUR BONA FIDES to make that judgement …………….

          • Sally Edwards

            I can read a dictionary.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE …. they can read the dictionary too as can anyone else ….. that is NOT a BONA FIDE ……… FAIL … TRY AGAIN …….. because otherwise it is just you own OPINION ….. you have no basis to make ANY judgement about what SCRIPTURE says as you are not able to understand it …… reading it ….. does not qualify you to make that judgement ……….

          • Sally Edwards

            NOPE yourself. No mention of transgenderism in the Bible means exactly that. Sorry you refuse to follow the rules of English.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you disagree with other transgenders ……. sounds like “that explains why you’re so unsympathetic to them.” ………….

            When Jesus Agreed With Lady Gaga: What The Bible Says About …
            huffingtonpost
            Mark Olmsted, Contributor. Author, Editor, Screenwriter, Activist. When Jesus
            Agreed With Lady Gaga: What The Bible Says About Transgender Persons. 08/ 31/2017

            have fun …….

          • Sally Edwards

            Eunuch and transgender are different words.
            That’s because they have different meanings.
            That’s why you lose.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            not to transgenders ………. so i guess they are stupid and you are smarter …….. it is not my argument …. it is theirs …. and you just called them “losers” ….. again …. how loving and supportive and sympathetic you are ………….

          • Sally Edwards

            Yes. To transgenders.

            There is only one discussion to be had here. Is transgenderism mentioned in the Bible or not? Not eunuchs, not anything else. Transgenders. And you are amazingly sitting here claiming that it is mentioned AND that you have all this transgender support, but you keep changing all the parameters and wording of the discussion, and then call ME a liar.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “There is only one discussion to be had here. Is transgenderism mentioned in the Bible or not? ”

            AND many transgenders SAY ……. YES there is ….. and YOUR argument is with THEM ………. and YOUR intolerance to THEM is the issue ……

          • Sally Edwards

            Put your money where your mouth is, Amos. Point to a single transgendered person who believes themselves to be a eunuch.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have given you SEVERAL REFERENCES ALREADY ….. you EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED THEM …… so PUT YOUR money where YOUR mouth is ….. and READ THEM ………….

            When Jesus Agreed With Lady Gaga: What The Bible Says About …
            huffingtonpost
            Mark Olmsted, Contributor. Author, Editor, Screenwriter, Activist. When Jesus
            Agreed With Lady Gaga: What The Bible Says About Transgender Persons. 08/ 31/2017

            Childs, James M. “Transsexualism: Some Theological and Ethical Perspectives” Dialog: A Journal of Theology 48.1 (Spring, 2009): 30-31.

            Hester, J. David. “Eunuchs and the postgender Jesus: Matthew 19.12 and transgressive sexualities.” Journal for the Study of the New Testament 28.1 (2005): 13-40.

            have fun …….

          • Sally Edwards

            (sigh)
            transgender -denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.
            eunuch – a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard the women’s living areas at an oriental court.

            Post as many articles as you like Amos, you cannot dodge these inescapable definitions.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            (sigh)

            you still seem to think YOUR ARGUMENT is with ME …… AGAIN ….. it is with the TRANSGENDERED people who believe it …… why is it so hard for YOU to wrap your mind around who you want to argue with ……

          • Sally Edwards

            Transgendered and eunuch don’t mean the same thing. The words have completely different definitions. We are going in circles here, but it’s only because you don’t accept simple word definitions.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and AGAIN ……. you need to argue with those TRANSGENDERED PERSONS who disagree with you …….. and AGAIN ….. it is NOT my argument …………. find those TRANSGENDERED people who do not agree with YOU ………….. (sigh)

          • Sally Edwards

            Transgendered persons are not on your side, Amos.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and …… THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE EITHER …………..

          • Sally Edwards

            They aren’t eunuchs. And they wouldn’t argue that. They can’t because the definitions are different.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            THEY do and ….. THEY HAVE …… and THEY ARE …………

          • Sally Edwards

            If you aren’t capable of understanding that these two words have separate and distinct meanings, then you’re not capable of having this conversation

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Gay Evangelicals Argue That Bible Does Not Condemn … – YouTube …

          • Sally Edwards

            YouTube, the cesspit of the internet. No thank you.
            If you aren’t capable of understanding that these two words have separate and distinct meanings, then you’re not capable of having this conversation.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            AGAIN …. it is not MY argument ….. and YOUR issue is with TRANSGENDERS who believe they are there ………… we have not gotten to what i believe …… and YOU cannot seem to grasp YOUR contradiction to those transgenders that think there is ………..

          • Sally Edwards

            Eunuch doesn’t mean transgender. I know you don’t believe in the words of the dictionary, but I’m sorry, that’s what we use in the real world.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Eunuch doesn’t mean transgender.”

            so ARGUE WITH THE TRANSGENDERS who think there is …………..

          • Sally Edwards

            They weren’t saying they were eunuchs, they may have been drawing a comparison but they weren’t saying they were the same thing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “They weren’t saying they were eunuchs”

            YES they were ………………..

            Transgender Marriage — Before God
            by Kathy Baldock on April 8, 2014 in All Posts, Marriage, Sexual Orientation & Gender Identity

          • Sally Edwards

            Eunuchs were castrated. The transgendered have not been. I just don’t know how else to say this to you. The people you think you have on your side in this argument are not on your side.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and AGAIN ……. you need to argue with those TRANSGENDERED PERSONS who disagree with you …….. and AGAIN ….. it is NOT my argument ………….

          • Sally Edwards

            Read the article I sent you, written by a transgendered person.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            READ the article I GAVE YOU …. i GAVE YOU THREE …… they do NOT AGREE ………….. go argue with those that do not agree with YOUR POSITION and get YOUR stories straight ……… then maybe we can have a discussion ………

          • Sally Edwards

            You seem to think those articles are saying transgendered people are eunuchs.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ….. THEY seem ….. no …. ARE saying that it says that ………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Gay Evangelicals Argue That Bible Does Not Condemn … – YouTube

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Gay Evangelicals Argue That Bible Does Not Condemn … – YouTube

            More than 30 U.S. states now recognize same-sex marriages, and an increasing number of mainline American churches are blessing them. But evangelical church members- which account for around 30 percent of the U.S. adult population – believe the Bible unequivocally condemns homosexuality. VOA’s Jerome Socolovsky reports that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender evangelicals are coming out. Backed by a prominent evangelical scholar, they argue that the traditional reading of the bible is wrong.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Eunuchs were castrated. ”

            and their argument is that is SURGICAL ALTERATION ….. go ARGUE with the TRANSGENDERED …………..

          • Sally Edwards

            They aren’t making the same argument you are.

            The following was written by a trans person.

            A eunuch is an amab (assigned male at birth) person who has had some or all of their external genitals surgically removed for a social or political purpose. Historically, consent was not a factor; nor was identity.

            A transgender person is any person (amab, afab, or intersex) who experiences a gender that they find in conflict with their sex assigned at birth.

            So, the differences?

            Eunuchs are amab; anyone may be trans.

            Eunuchs have had genital surgery to remove all or part of their genitals; trans people may or may not have surgery related to being trans, and those surgeries are not necessarily genital surgery.

            Eunuchs’ genital surgery was performed explicitly to destroy their ability to function
            sexually. To the extent that trans people have gender affirming surgeries, the purpose is to restore desired sexual functioning.

            Eunuchs became eunuchs in most cases as tools used to protect a power hierarchy; transgender people exist and come out as trans to enable themselves to better navigate their own identity and to relate to the world on their terms.

            Eunuchs’ genital surgeries were typically performed at a very young age, to create a person that meant the specific needs of a third party. Trans people do not have genital surgeries until adulthood, and only to serve the needs and wants of the trans person.

            Eunuchs were oppressed and in a position somewhere between actual slavery and
            de facto slavery, because their condition prevented them from functioning socially outside the hierarchy they were mutilated to serve. Trans people make changes to their bodies, including surgical changes, to express their identity. The choice is theirs and it is empowering to be able to make that choice.

            While some eunuchs may have been trans, their transness was not a factor. Their rulers’ desire for a particular type of servant was. All trans people are trans, and make
            changes to their bodies because they want to.

            So? The difference? Basically everything.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have MADE NO ARGUMENT ……….. that is YOUR problem ………

          • Sally Edwards

            You continue to make the argument that transgenderism was mentioned by name in the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE …… i have said AGAIN AND AGAIN ……. TRANSGENDERS have made that argument ….. LEARN TO PARSE ………..

          • Sally Edwards

            No they haven’t. You have misunderstood what they said.
            If you aren’t capable of understanding that these two words have separate and distinct meanings, then you’re not capable of having this conversation

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Gay Evangelicals Argue That Bible Does Not Condemn … – YouTube ….

          • LynnRH

            Amos don’t you get it yet? Sally Edwards is the only one that knows anything. She’s even wiser than God. You might as well give up on her and move along to others who might not be quite as stubborn and prideful. We can continue to pray for her but obviously God Almighty will have to be the one that breaks through that stone heart.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they were TRANSGENDERED persons saying that … are you calling them stupid …… that they do not know what they read and they do not know WHAT they are …. YOU are SMARTER than they are as to WHAT THEY ARE …………. ARE YOU SERIOUS …………. and then YOU have the temerity to say ” Do you know what a transgendered person is?” …. are you saying THEY do not know ……………

          • Sally Edwards

            In the first place I’m sure they didn’t say that, I think you’re probably misquoting them. Secondly it’s not a difficult concept, the idea of transgenderism is relatively new, and so it could not possibly have appeared in the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “In the first place I’m sure they didn’t say that”

            then in the first place YOU ARE WRONG ……….

            “Secondly it’s not a difficult concept, the idea of transgenderism is relatively new”

            NO EVIDENCE and in the SECOND PLACE YOU ARE WRONG ……… you are entitled to the facts … NOT YOUR OWN FACTS ………..

          • LynnRH

            Because Amos Sally Edwards is the only one that knows anything. She’s even wiser than God. You might as well give up on her and move along to others who might not be quite as stubborn and prideful. We can continue to pray for her but obviously God Almighty will have to be the one that breaks through that stone heart.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            because an “update” …. was not required …. truth does not need an update …………

          • Are you pulling to the right or the left on those swings? Let me know and I’ll go the opposite way and we’ll both be nailing those cheap seats…..

          • Sally Edwards

            How about things that were never mentioned but which are now issues?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they were mentioned …. you deny it ….. what else is new …………

          • Sally Edwards

            They weren’t. You just assign some vague scripture to it and insist that’s what it was talking about. Anyone can do that. Doesn’t make it right.

          • LynnRH

            “at the beginning He made them male and female”

            And i’m pretty doggone sure when He makes a male OR a female (back in the beginning of time all the way through the present and beyond) He is quite able to make them male OR female. Oh and He makes their minds as well; so when He makes their minds He doesn’t make it with sin in it. Why on earth would He do that? He doesn’t want us to sin against Him; so wouldn’t that be ridiculous? Transgenderism IS a choice and IS a Sin whether someone wants to blind themselves to that or not!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so making up your own definitions ….. hmmmmmmmm ………

          • LynnRH

            Huh? I’m not aware of it if I did Amos. LOL.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            swinging for the cheap seats again ….. and hitting them ………

          • LOL….they don’t call me the Bambino for nothing…..wait……they don’t call me that at all….LOL

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            s/he is a very argumentative little soul ………… but s/he sure does serve up those softballs real good …….

          • Its feeding time and s/he is serving up slammiches

          • Sally Edwards

            Well, how is that possible when you’re wrong?

          • Please forgive me. I am sorry for the analogy but everything else I have said is the truth of God and His Holy Word

          • Sally Edwards

            No, missing them by about a MILE

          • Mr. Chips

            Yup. He’s a real piece of work.

          • Sally Edwards

            On another note, I like your style, sir.

    • peanut butter

      If I was in college these days I would be shunned in 15 minutes and everybody would be running for their safe spaces and play dough!

  • Tianzhu

    Stand tall, young man. You become a man when you leave the herd behind you. The Inquisition always persecutes those who leave the herd.

  • Daniel Lee

    “Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” Romans 13:10 Also reference James 2:15 – Freedom of speech can be used to hurt and abuse, with obvious harm, but it can also be used to justify oneself rather than as an opportunity to glorify the Creator and love by self-denial. It is a trap of the Enemy to take up the sword when we are personally offended, even when the offender is in authority over us. “Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips.” Gender politics, like race politics, party politics, nationalism, or other identity politics, means that love has long left the conversation and trust is axiomatically absent. The first thing that a spirit of revenge does is chop off the feet so that the Gospel cannot go forth. Forgiveness is key, and I would wager that if he had gotten to there in those 30 seconds instead of waiting for his chance to talk (again, without permission and disregarding the authority set over him, although there are generally protocol for signalling a desire to speak like raising the hand), the words leaving his lips would have brought healing to the classroom instead of risking his diploma and marking him as a rebel with only himself as his cause.

  • John O

    Genesis 1:27 (ESV)

    27
    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

    a secular teacher promoting the Godless new world order. humanist manifesto

    • Darwin C

      Have you thought that through? You are disputing the reality of trans people by saying that both men and women are made in God’s image. How is that possible? Since your deity is “God the father” exactly how does that work? Does God have a gender? Does God have two genders? Is God’s gender determined by physical characteristics?

      Exactly how does “in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” prove that gender is determined by outward appearance not wiring of the brain?

      • John O

        u have chosen to argue with Gods Word. don’t waste your time trying to convert me to your tribe. God is Real. seek HIS opinion.

        • Sten_Mk_2

          The Shekhinah, or Divine Presence, is the feminine aspect of Divinity.

          • John O

            I love the Shekhinah Glory. tears rolling, just great. 1st 10 years was stronger. in our spiritual walk, a baby Christian is a lot more pleasant than picking up your cross. God Bless

      • God is spirit. We are spirit housed in flesh and blood. That is how we are made in His image. He created two and only two genders. Male and female.

      • Faithwalker

        Thoughts, moods, feelings, and emotions are totally separate from biology, and if anyone who identifies outside of the biological anatomy that they were born with is incongruent in who they are.

        • ppp777

          Reprobate I think they call them .

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        God is a Spirit, so in making us male and female while making us in His image, does not apply in the manner in which you are speaking. One must read the entire Word of God, not just cherry pick.

        • LynnRH

          Exactly. Faithwalker below listed some of those very important aspects of His image. Thoughts, moods, feelings, emotions.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        God created all the animals with just two genders …. COMPLIMENTARY genders …… He did the same for His Imago Dei, …. and it was not even hard …. He is God ……….

  • Pam Delaney

    I wonder if he had said he identified as a woman when the professor was looking for females to respond if he would still be in the program. The imbeciles are running the institutions. Sigh.

    • John O

      thank u. made my day

  • JustNTyme

    So far every gender reveal party reveals that the fetus is either a:
    1. boy
    2. girl

    Still waiting for a gender reveal party to reveal one of those other genders we keep hearing about.

    • ppp777

      Don’t hold your breath .

  • “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. John 15:18

  • APH

    Teacher has a 27% approval rating by students.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    This happened to a friend of mine. It wasn’t over 2 genders, but it was because he took a Hebrew class and the teacher instead chose to teach about Babylonian text and said the Jews stole the Bible from them. She said the male student was using his maleness to intimidate her whenever he asked her a legitimate question. The funny thing is, she didn’t even know Hebrew and he did.

    • LynnRH

      That teacher must have just been another liberal showing their hiney.

  • It does appear that the student was disruptive. If this report is true, then I think the professor missed an opportunity for a “learning moment,” providing, of course, that the student not interrupt her.

    The student should have been asked what gender he would assign to an intersexual newborn. If his god insists there are only two genders, then why would It allow babies to be born with both male and female reproductive organs? What would the good folks on this blog answer?

  • HOW is that Christians and other Americans are being held hostage by sodomites, lesbians, and transgenders?

    Could it have something to do with the constitutional framers replacing Yahweh’s immutable moral law (including Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, and Deuteronomy 22:5) with their own capricious man-made Enlightenment and Masonic traditions?

    See Chapter 4 “Article 1: Legislative Usurpation” of free online book “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.” Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry, and scroll down to Chapter 4.

    HOW did Candy W. Dale ever become a judge in America to begin with?

    Could it have something to do with Article 6’s Christian test ban by which mandatory biblical qualifications were also eliminated. One word alone in Exodus 18:21 would have eliminated her from ever doing so.

    For more regarding Article 6’s Christian test ban, see Chapter 9 “Article 6: The Supreme Law of the Land.”

    Then find out how much you really know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of the 85-page “Primer” of “BL vs. USC.”