City of Philadelphia Suspends Partnership With Two Faith-Based Foster Agencies for Declining to Place Children With Homosexuals

PHILADELPHIA — The City of Philadelphia has suspended, pending an investigation, its partnership with two faith-based foster agencies after learning that both decline to place children in homes without a mother and father.

The Philadelphia Department of Human Services recently discontinued any new placements by Bethany Christian Services and Catholic Social Services following a report on the matter by the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The outlet states that two lesbians were kindly advised by a representative with Bethany Christian Services in October that the organization has never placed a child in a same-sex home. The representative then offered the women referrals to others who might do so.

In reporting on the occurrence, the Philadelphia Inquirer decided to also reach out to Catholic Social Services to ask about its practices, and was informed that the entity likewise doesn’t place children with two men or two women. The organization has never been approached by anyone in a same-sex relationship, the representative noted.

Both organizations were consequently placed under investigation and further placements of any kind were halted.

The City Council also passed a resolution to look into the Department of Human Services’ policy on working with agencies that decline to place children with homosexuals. Both Bethany Christian Services and Catholic Social Services have contracted with the City of Philadelphia since the 1990’s and receive over $1 million in funding each year. Last year, Bethany Christian Services placed 170 children, and Catholic Social Services placed 266 children.

“Given the longstanding partnership between CSS and the city, we hope to continue our productive relationship with the City of Philadelphia to serve those among us in need,” Ken Gavin of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia said in a statement.

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A petition has also been launched on CitizenGo asking that the City not cut ties with faith-based organizations simply because of their convictions about the definition of marriage and family.

“Throughout the ages, a hallmark of Christianity has been the care of orphans. Christians have been revolutionary in seeing orphaned children as significant and worthy of protection,” its explanation reads. “In Victorian England, orphaned children were considered scum suitable only for workhouses until the great Christian George Muller opened the eyes of the culture through his revolutionary and compassionate care for orphans.”

“However, many on the Left are working hard to make sure Christians are barred from caring for orphaned children, it laments. “… [T]his liberal agenda [is] at the expense of orphans: having fewer orphanages and adoption agencies to care for kids is better for no one—especially not the kids.”

As previously reported, last fall, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services in an effort to stop the entity from contracting with religious adoption agencies that decline to place children in homes without both a mother and a father.

“DHHS is aware that these agencies are turning away these potentially qualified families solely for religious reasons but DHHS has not stopped them from engaging in this conduct,” the complaint states. “When the State delegates its statutory child-welfare responsibilities to private agencies, those private agencies must execute their state-contracted responsibilities subject to the same requirements applicable to the State.”

James 1:27, a verse often cited by Christians surrounding the biblical responsibility to care for children, reads, “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”

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  • But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. AND DO NOT FEAR THEIR INTIMIDATION, AND DO NOT BE TROUBLED, 1 Peter 3:14

    • No dash babies on rocks? No 50 shekels to raped women’s fathers so their rapist can marry her?

      I don’t think Christians get to pretend to have the moral high ground. If you discriminate, you get NO GOVERNMENT MONEY OR CONTRACTS.

      End of story.

      • An atheist trolling a “christian” news source – slow day for you?
        No, God has the moral high ground – and He doesn’t pretend. If you are uneasy with that truth, take it up with God.

        • Its an honest question. As a blogger, I always read up on religious topics. One of the biggest hypocrisies of religion is the amount of cherry picking (read: mental gymnastics) needed in order for each individual to make their morality somehow fit into the context of the Bible. You are no different.

          The very act of passing responsibility to your god is one of the reasons why you can never have the moral high ground. You claim no responsibility for your own actions. Its all some divine’s beings plan.

          Either way, if you want me to take it up with your divine manager, then you can go get him for me. I’ll talk to him about it.

          I’ll wait…….

          • Your wait is over! Here is your chance “to take it up” with both yours and mine divine manager. Now the hard part. You have to go to God. (He already came to get us 2000 yrs ago when He died on a cross.) And here is how you go – John 3:16. I am sure you know that one. Pls read it. Ask God for wisdom – and see what He says! We can discuss further –

          • lol I don’t want to read the policy manual that some flunky wrote. Bring the big guy down here right now. Shouldn’t be a problem since he lives outside time and space. I mean the guy can literally be in multiple times and places at the same time.

          • Correction: the bible was not written by a “flunky” it was written by God Himself. The big guy is already here – He is the Holy Spirit. He inhabits all those who have been born again by faith in Christ. SO there are a bunch of those folks walking around on the planet – including me. So yes the “guy” is literally in all places at all times. Pretty neat truth!

          • Actually, the Bible is supposed to be “God inspired”, or didnt you get the memo?

          • It is indeed. Like I said: it was written by God Himself. And you say?

          • Actually, it was written by followers decades after the events they describe takes place. Most of the text was gathered by word of mouth and myth, and the Bible itself cant seem to get basic facts straight.

            Or is your god flawed that he cant get his story straight?

          • You claim the Bible: can’t seem to bet basic facts straight – and that god can’t get his story straight. On what basis do you make these assertions?

          • The basis that Ive actually read it.

            The resurrection story alone has multuple versions, all differing from each other.

          • You refer to the four Gospels and each author’s coverage. Of course, eye witnesses to an event will always present a slightly different view -as they would do today in a court of law. However, in context, they are all alike. The real key here is – do you believe in the resurrection ?

          • Glad you understand how unreliable eyewitness testimony is. Especially 40 to 50 years after the event.

            … and no. Some anonymous people (Bible authors) telling me about stories (rumors, myths, scribblings) of someone (supposed eye witnesses) who saw a resurrection is not, and never will be enough, to convince reasonable people of something that defies physics. Especially when such stories existed prior to the event supposedly taken place (Assyrian, Egyptian, and other regional folklore).

          • Ah yes – the conundrum of the ages: to convince reasonable people of something that defies physics.
            It is all about faith. I pray the Lord opens your eyes and gives you that faith.
            “And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.” Heb 11:6

          • Is faith a method to determine what is true?

          • LynnRH

            It is for those who aren’t determined to be “stiffnecked.”

            ACTS 7:51 KJV “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost; as your fathers did, so do ye.”

          • But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. KJV 1 Timothy 2:12

            See? I can do that too. Im not Christian, so I have an excuse for not abiding by this.

            What about you?

          • LynnRH

            The apostle Paul made that statement to explain that women should not take on specific spiritual leadership roles in churches that were reserved for men. Women were not to serve in the role of elder, or attempt to lead in the specific ways in which elders are expected to lead.

            In the local church Paul specified men as elders (1 Timothy 3:1-7) and most likely as deacons (1 Timothy 3:8-13). The point made in the New Testament is not that adult women can never teach adult men, as both Priscilla and his wife Aquila did exactly that with Apollos in Acts 18:26. Phoebe also served in some type of church leadership role, with some believing her role of “servant” was as a deacon (Romans 16:1). However, men are consistently specified as the primary local church leaders, in the role of elders.

            And I as a woman have NO problem with that. If that is the way God wants it that is the way He will get it from me.

          • You are correct that is how it is used today, however that isnt what it says. You have to stretch quite a bit to tie that context together.

            Its all cherry picking in the end. Figure out what you want it to say, then try to force the text to support you.

            I for one am glad you do, because there are some horrible edicts that go against our cherished liberties these days of you take the Bible at its literal word, but it does highlight some of the hypocrisies.

            To not have any problem with it shows the controlling nature of it. I know its wrong, you know its wrong, but you feel you have to accept it.

            Otherwise you would have said it is right to have women as a second class, not that you have “no problem” with it.

            Its about authority, and not morality.

          • LynnRH

            I didn’t do any cherry picking. I read it and I believe it. God created a man first and then a woman to be his helpmate. It’s not because God loves us (women) less than he does men. It’s because it is His design for one to be the leader and the other to be the help mate. They are made to work together as “one.” One is just as valued as the other in the eyes of God.

            I don’t accept it because I HAVE to now that I understand why it is what it is. I accept it because God is God and I am NOT. I allowed God to be God when I decided to turn my life over to Jesus and allow Him to be the Lord of my life instead of continuing to believe I was Lord of my life. He’s the leader in my life and I am the follower or help mate.

            Yep you are right in that it is about authority……..He has all and complete authority in my life. I don’t regret it and I am proud as a peacock about it.

          • A proud slave is still a slave, and his “authority” you accept negates any notion of free will.

          • LynnRH

            I am just like anyone else; I have free will too. I used my free will for many years before I became a Christian to do as I pleased and it was all about selfish little ole me. Now I gladly and proudly use my free will to do whatever I can to honor my Lord and Savior. And I won’t EVER, EVER go back to where I use to be. I truly didn’t know what I was missing. That is why we true Christians have a hard time NOT sharing the Good News with the unsaved. It is an indescribable feeling that we would love everyone to feel. But it is totally your choice; nobody is going to make you choose God not even Him. He only wants your genuine love.

          • I tend to agree with your free will, I was only pointing out what your words said. If Gods authority is absolute, then everyone is a slave.

            You can talk about choice all you want, but infinitely good Heaven, and infinitely bad Hell leaves no choice.

            Its called blackmail, and there is a reason why our society treats it as a crime.

            “Love me or be tortured”

            Romantic, is it not?

          • LynnRH

            So sad you see things this way. If only you knew God and could actually feel His love for you. Hopefully you will one day I pray before its too late for you. You would love Jehovah God because of your own choice. If you only knew Him the way we true Christians do you just couldn’t help yourself but love Him more than you can even speak of.

            “You can talk about choice all you want, but infinitely good Heaven, and infinitely bad Hell leaves no choice.”
            Jehovah God is the Creator of all. If it wasn’t for Him nothing would exist not even you. Therefore only He has the right to give the choices we have. There is life after death…….and you have the free will to choose Heaven or Hell. There it is.

            Now I think it’s about time for me to shake the dust from my feet and move on. I will keep you in my prayers.

          • I cant, and I dont.

            If your god existed, he would not only know exactly what it would take to convince me, but he would be able to do it effortlessly.

            I know Christians like to make excuses for an all knowing all powerful being, which it itself is a head scratcher (why would a god need his believers to defend him?), but a god simply as no excuse.

            Either we are all playthings, or he doesnt exist.

            There exists no happy ending for you.

          • LynnRH

            You might as well go trolling on a different website blog cause you WON’T be successful in changing a true Christians heart and mind to follow your atheism. You’re wasting your time.

            Now again and this time final; I think it’s time to shake the dust from my feet and move on. I will keep you in my prayers whether you like it or not. Sianara!

          • Sure thing!

            I don’t expect to change your mind. I’m only interested in more open minds that view our exchange. If you start being more skeptical, then it is an added bonus.

            I don’t mind when people “pray for me”. If its with good intentions (wanting the best for me), then I appreciate the intent. Even though I ultimately consider it useless and ultimately lazy. Thoughts and prayers have done nothing to help anyone. Just ask the victims of the church and school shootings.

            I hold no hatred, or even dislike, towards you personally. Most Christians I have met are awesome people with a few horrible exceptions, but I will challenge beliefs. There are no protected places anymore. Not even a Christian website.

            Take care till next we butt heads!

          • D.M.S.

            99%+ of the worlds population will end up in hell for their unrepentant sins.

          • Was that Hades, Sheol, or Hell? Bible has all three.

          • D.M.S.

            As you are also a slave, to your beliefs.

          • Nope. Show me evidence, and I can change my mind.

          • D.M.S.

            Really, you don’t know your own mind, lol.

          • D.M.S.

            Your faith in the Lord, serves you well.
            Take care, sister.

          • D.M.S.

            Praise the Lord!

          • nchoss

            2 Corinthians 4:3-4 King James Version (KJV)

            3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
            4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

            1 Corinthians 3:19 King James Version (KJV)
            19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

          • Islam has a book too.

            That book must be proof of their god, right?

            If you don’t believe their book, then why should I believe yours?

          • D.M.S.

            That’s your choice.
            But I get a choice, too.
            And I don’t have to believe anything that you have to say, including your so-called truth.
            Have a nice day.

          • You are right.

            Thanks for verifying you are more interested in belief than truth.

          • D.M.S.

            Actually belief in GOD/JESUS is truth.

          • You can not demonstrate that. Only make claims. Which is why I can completely ignore you, and be right in doing so. No matter how hard you believe, your belief cannot make something true.

            The methods you get to your Jesus belief can be used to justify anything you want. Including Allah, Cthulu, Santa, or any other myth you want to believe in.

            Thus you made my point.

            If you were to place a value of importance on truth and belief. You would forsake truth in order to preserve your belief. Otherwise you’d verify what you believe with a method that could differentiate your chosen god from theirs (or no god at all).

          • D.M.S.

            You’re as dumb as my dad. How could anyone look at this world and not be able to see that there is no way that this world was started by some kind of an ameba.
            Where did the ameba come from?

          • First, its amoeba.

            Second, that a horrible simplistic view of a complicated hypothesis, that is still being worked on, and we have yet to determine as true.

            Third, has no relevance on your god claim.

            Fourth, if it is true, it would have come from self replicating RNA.

            Fifth, having a improbable science explanation trumps “it was god magic” every day of the week (twice on Sundays).

            To summarize: If you don’t know something, the answer becomes “I don’t know”. Not “God did it”.

          • D.M.S.

            Yes, GOD created this universe.
            And you’re right you don’t know.

          • Yep. I don’t know. Neither do you. Until you can demonstrate it, then it is no better than someone that claims they saw Sasquatch.

            Your claims are meaningless. You can keep saying it though. Ignorance can be entertaining when it is confined to a message board.

            “You’re as dumb as my dad.”

            Sounds like he might be worth listening to. Especially since your Bible says to respect your parents.

          • D.M.S.

            I guess you haven’t read Mathew 10:32-39.
            Your belief is a theory, as I recall.

          • The Bible is the claim. 10:32-39 can be a complete lie. Or it can be true. Without proof of your God, it is useless.

          • D.M.S.

            The proof is surrounding you.
            Hopefully you don’t become useless.

        • Tristan Fry

          Well, I am a Christian, and I happen to agree with him. There’s no reason to discriminate here. Homosexuals are not pedophiles so there is no reason not to allow them to foster children if they can provide a nurturing environment.

          • LynnRH

            God designed a man and a woman to have a family together. Their genitals are designed to work together to accomplish that. It was and STILL is His plans for children to be raised with a mother and a father. If you aren’t happy about that take it up with Him.

          • Tristan Fry

            That’s a very interesting thing to say…what happens when a child is born fatherless, or in a single parent situation? Is that His plan as well? Because those situations don’t result in compromised children in any way either.

          • LynnRH

            Of course those situations are not in His plan. But because we live in a world of sin here on earth those things happen. But God’s design from the very beginning was for children to have a mother and a father. That’s why He married Adam to Eve. And they each had the correct-type genitals to work together to produce children.

          • Tristan Fry

            It isn’t just about genitals, there has to be an attraction to the person. We know homosexuality exists, it’s not people just going against the grain to decide to be different. They can’t form attractions in exactly the same way two positive poles on a magnet can’t be attracted. Everything is simply reversed and it cannot be any other way. So why ostracize them for it, tell them they’re committing a sin, all this nonsense when they’re just doing what nature has deemed right for them?

          • nchoss

            First of all they are committing a sin, and we all have, but we don’t go
            around promoting it, having Pride parades over it and teaching it to our
            children as being “perfectly normal.”. If we went along with the
            psychotic thinking of the left we would be telling alcoholics that that’s just
            who they are, because their parent or parents were alcoholics and they have
            those tendencies to go with it and buy ’em another drink or encouraging
            adulterers, because they have tendencies to be that way, or accepting behavior
            of Kleptomaniacs stealing
            everything they can get their hands on because they have those urges to steal
            things. No, you try to get them help and hold them responsible for their
            behavior. You don’t encourage bad, unnatural or unhealthy behavior. This is why
            I refer to liberals as psychotic (out of touch with reality) and the left’s
            supporters are referred to as their “useful idiots!”

          • Tristan Fry

            It’s not a sin, most homosexuals don’t take part in pride parades, and since it’s something that’s existed throughout history and also within the animal kingdom, it is quite correct to teach children that it’s normal. Theft and alcoholism are demonstrably harmful but unless you’re the member of a particularly closed-minded religion, consensual adults in a homosexual relationship aren’t doing anything harmful.

          • LynnRH

            Well here we go AGAIN…….

            You just are determined to continue to defy God, aren’t you?!

            Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
            “Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.”

          • Tristan Fry

            That doesn’t provide nearly enough context. Many who DO know context believe that and other verses like it refer to male prostitution.

          • LynnRH

            AND HERE WE GO AGAIN!

            Leviticus 18:22
            Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

            Leviticus 20:13
            If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

            Romans 1:26-28
            For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

            1 Corinthians 6: 9-11
            Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.

          • Tristan Fry

            Male prostitution.

          • nchoss

            No “useless idiot” You people were referred to as the Left’s “useful idiots” during the Obamanation of America, but since the voter fraud and intimidation didn’t work with Hillary they are now the “useless idiots.”

          • Tristan Fry

            Calling names is against the rules of this channel.

            I’m not American.

          • nchoss

            If you are going to declare yourself a Christian you should read the book. HOMOEXUALITY IS A SIN!
            And just because it has existed thru-out history, as has prostitution, drunkenness, thievery, murder, adultery, etc. DOESN”T MAKE IT SOMETHING TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN AS NORMAL!

            Homosexuality not harmful? Tell that to the millions who
            have died from AIDS or suicide!.

            And if you want to justify it because animals do it and declare yourself a part of the animal kingdom rather than human that is your choice and you pretty much have with your comments, but be warned. The first time I catch you pooping in my front yard or peeing on my tires you will be a
            caged animal as I will have you thrown in jail.

          • Tristan Fry

            Just because I’m a Christian, I’m not going to deny science. I am NEVER going to do that. Homosexuality isn’t what you do, it’s what you are. You can be homosexual and never touch another person.

          • nchoss

            So you deny God created and we just evolved from an amoeba???

          • Tristan Fry

            No. Your problem is you don’t understand evolution. Evolution has nothing to do with how we started, that’s cosmology. Find out who you are really fighting against and then come back and we can have this conversation.

          • LynnRH

            You just are determined to continue to defy God, aren’t you?!

            Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
            “Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.”

          • Tristan Fry

            This has nothing to do with defying God, it has to do with you misrepresenting God’s word by supporting a tired old bigotry.

          • LynnRH

            It has everything to do with your determination to defy God! And you will regret it the instant you stand before the Lord upon your death. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

            Now it’s apparent I’ve done all that I can do for you so i’m thinking its about time to shake the dust from my feet and move on.
            Mark 6: 11 NIV “And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”

          • Tristan Fry

            Lady, why are you completely IGNORING the settled, proven science on this subject and clinging to bronze age bigotries?

          • nchoss

            What science is that? The one saying you have a 50% chance of getting AIDS?

          • Tristan Fry

            That’s false. Who is “you” anyway? Anyone having unprotected sex is at risk. Are you going back to the 1980s when AIDS was a disease that many gay people got? Try something a little more recent.

          • nchoss

            Doing bodily harm to your fellow man’s rear end and promoting a 50% CHANCE OF GETTING AIDS is what nature deemed right for them? What an idiot. Even an atheist, evolutionist knows this behavior is not natural or healthy.

          • Tristan Fry

            Are you seriously telling me that straight couples don’t “do bodily harm to the rear end” then? This is your whole problem, you’re talking about specific sex acts that are NOT specific to homosexuals.

          • nchoss

            Really? Then why was it the Homosexual community gave us AIDS? If this unhealthy and unnatural behavior was practiced regularly among straight couples why wasn’t AIDS rampant in the straight community since they far outnumber the gay community? You can make any excuse you want, animals do it, etc. but it doesn’t change the fact it is unnatural, unhealthy and a sin and abomination to God. Do you see straight people promoting this behavior to children in school, calling it perfectly normal or having Pride parades promoting this behavior? No!

          • Tristan Fry

            The homosexual community DIDN’T give you AIDS. Unprotected sex is what gave you AIDS, and in the 80s when gay men were having the most unprotected sex, that’s why their numbers had the greatest amount of AIDS. The demographic that currently has the largest amount of aids are straight black females (that may have changed, but that’s what it was last time I checked).

            AIDS strikes straight people, are you even AWARE of that?

          • nchoss

            Really? Just look at the black community with a fatherless rate of 75% and tell me it’s working just fine.

          • Tristan Fry

            Why do you reduce it to one demographic? Is that honest?

          • nchoss

            Yes, stating factual statistics is honest. But then the psychotic (out of touch with reality) liberal doesn’t deal in facts do they? Use any demographic you like and send me one factual statistic showing children in gay or single parent homes do better than children with a straight mother and

          • Tristan Fry

            I can sent you entire websites that show that. All of them factual.

          • nchoss

            I’m waiting…

          • Tristan Fry

            First of all, let’s be clear – do you want stats that show they do better? I can’t provide that, but I can provide stats that they do just as well. No one ever claimed they did “better” with gay or single parent homes.

          • nchoss

            Actually pedophiles run high in the LGBT community. Many homosexuals became that way in their youth from being molested by gay men and led to believe that was “who they were” until receiving help later and getting out of the very unnatural and unhealthy lifestyle, even going on to get married and have children. This is why LGBT thrive to get into our schools to promote their perversion and actually try to deny youth confused by their sexuality any type of help to get out of this sick lifestyle. The left pretends to be so concerned about our children when using them as props for their attempt to disarm us, but then they do things like this, support a business that makes money killing unborn and partially born babies (then cutting them up like chicken parts to sell) and try to promote a lifestyle that is so unnatural and unhealthy that it will lead their young sons to a 50% chance of getting AIDS, not to mention the many other diseases listed by the CDC that goes with this lifestyle behavior. I don’t know if they are psychotic (unable to deal with reality), so stupid they can only follow the left’s talking points (the left’s “useful idiots”) or just plain evil. The Bible says to know them by their fruits and you sir are no Christian if you support such an unhealthy, unnatural and ungodly behavior and are quite psychotic if you actually think those who openly and proudfully practice such behavior can provide a nurturing environment for children.

          • Tristan Fry

            That’s tired old long-refuted nonsense. Molesting young males doesn’t turn them gay, and the men who molested them are statistically straight married men with children. And getting AIDS happens when you don’t use protection during intercourse, meaning it doesn’t discriminate and goes after straight people too.

          • nchoss

            Really? Tell that to the men who were molested in their youth by gay men and shamed and led to believe they were gay. Of course they
            later got mental health help and was able to get their life straightened out.
            This is why the LGBT is so adamant about getting into our schools to promote their sick behavior and why they have tried to block these young people from getting professional help. The real reason for the high rate of suicide amongst this group.

            Thanks for proving my point that liberals are psychotic
            (out of touch with reality) or just the Left’s leaders “useful idiots!” If a
            man is molesting a boy HE IS NOT STRAIGHT. He is either gay or bi-sexual!

            And getting AIDS usually happens when a sick individual
            transfers bodily fluids (usually semen or blood) to a well individual.
            Historically this has mostly happened from the gay community irresponsibly placing what was intended to be their reproduction organ into the waste canal of another man without protection doing bodily harm to their fellow man (or young boys) and later irresponsibly donating their contaminated diseased blood and passing their disease to innocent children and heterosexuals. And of course some passed it thru bi-sexuals into the heterosexual community. This is not about straights not using protection. HistoricallyAIDS is a gay thing due to their unnatural and unhealthy behavior of doing
            bodily harm to their fellow man. Thru their irresponsible, selfish, unnatural and unhealthy behavior they have brought this curse on the heterosexual community.

          • Chet

            Problem is, they indeed cannot provide such according to God’s Word, period!

  • Ginger

    There has been nursing studies that have show large amount of child abuse occurring in these situations. Why put a child into a situation where the likely hood is greater? It is a question of child safety. It is not a stable situation for child rearing PERIOD.

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination …”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Even Jesus points out marriage is a man and a woman.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • Chet

      Praise God. 1000 thumbs up!

  • terrymengle

    I will bet that Philadelphia never checked with its’ citizens on this issue!!!!

    • nchoss

      Needs to be a little “draining of the swamp” there too I imagine.

  • LynnRH

    This doesn’t have anything to do with the article posted above but I just wanted to share this with all of you. It’s on UTube. Just google Holly Holly God Almighty by Tina (Hagee) Ketterling.

    Also, Praise His Name by Jeff & Sheri Easter, Charlotte Ritchie
    There are several episodes of this one but the one I want to direct you to was published October 18, 2012

    Sorry to change the subject from the story posted here but these are just too beautiful not to share. 🙂

  • This is clear; any religious organization that receives government (taxpayer) funding for certain activities are, in that capacity, agents of the government and fall under the 1st Amendment’s Establishment Clause–they must not act based on religious convictions. If they want to operate in accordance to their religious beliefs, then they must not received taxpayer support for that function.

    • Chet

      If not one dime was received by either agency it would make zero difference as the homosexual lobby is powerful and seemingly growing all the time. And they will not be stifled in any attempt to push this abominable lifestyle down the throats of others whose only fault is agreeing with God Almighty. I do agree however, Hobbs, that should any Christian agency desire to be left alone by the government they should not accept their so called gifts. Now, if only taxpayers were no longer required to support PP…

      • Sorry my friend, but people is demonstrably false. Would you mind telling me just were the LBTQ community has pushed their life style “down the throats of others?”

        Are you suggesting that the right to marry a person you love, if it is not of the gender you approve, is shoving their lifestyle down you throat? On the contrary. They are fighting for equal rights under the Constitution; a Constitution that forbids any government agency from making laws based on either religious beliefs or against a segment of society simply because others disagree with their harmless lifestyle.

        Why can’t you simply leave them alone and stop fighting against their right to have liberty and seek happiness according to the dictates their own conscience?

        I understand that the fundamentalist community would like place the government in between a woman and her doctor and subjugate them to its religious beliefs (as fundamentalist Muslims do their women) just as it would love to deny others the right to happiness through marriage (As fundamentalist Muslims do as well).

        But in matters of civil rights, our Constitution places all citizens, no matter their religious beliefs or even if they do not believe at all, on a level playing field. They are supposed to have equal rights.

        Fundamentalists tend to hate equality. That much is abundantly is clear. It is a sad commentary on the level of empathy, the ethics, and the general humanity of fundamentalists in matters of others living the life they want to live.

        • Chet

          Whether sinner or saint, man has free-will to live the life he chooses, and, as well, he must accept its consequences. Anytime one attempts to cleverly link Christianity to that of Islam, on is in very serious error. The near decade of America’s “fundamental transformation” has created this societal mess which is in absolute conflict with what saith the Lord. God created the animal kingdom and humanity as M&F, period. A man can lose his private parts via war, cancer auto accident etc., yet, he remains a man, period. And the act of homosexuality is abomination in God the creator’s holy eyes… Such is why all us sinners, whatever be our portion and delight, must repent and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ of Calvary for His great mercy, grace, forgiveness and deliverance from sin’s power and influence. Not that any of us ever reach any semblance of perfection, as none of us ever can, but that we no longer function purposely and forthrightly in the life of sin and it’s wicked ways. Jesus saves from the guttermost to the uttermost, no exceptions, no turn-aways. And once indwelt with his Holy Spirit (at the point of salvation) one’s spiritual eyes are opened to truth as never before understood or perceived. Have a great day, Hobbs…

          • And thank our lucky stars that we have a secular Constitution with a Bill of Rights that makes a great attempt to make all citizens equal in terms of rights.

            I’ve asked you this question before, but if your god, as many say, made man and woman separate and distinct, then what would you have society do with intersexuals? Should they be allowed never to marry at all? Where is the sin? Or, as some say, the child’s development was because of the parent’s sins?

          • Chet

            Wow, an otherwise seemingly educated man would prefer to “thank his lucky stars” rather than thank the Creator of said stars, the universe and all things contained therein.

            Not known to myself is the percentage of intersexuals you refer to but am pretty sure not only is it infinitesimal, but, rather, correctable via surgery, esp in America.

            Relative to the intersexuals, where is the sin, you say? I have no idea of what you speak and see no relationship whatsoever to one being born with any physical or mental malady only to have the cause of such laid at their feet via their SIN or the SIN of their parents…

            Only a fool would ascribe any child’s physical/mental malady to be caused by his/her parent’s SINS. Don’t know where you might engage such cruel people with their bizarre, ridiculous, hurtful and seemingly self righteous views. I have never encountered such and would not even bother to engage. I can say, never, have I head such rubbish from the lips of a fellow blood washed Christian. That is, one who was formerly lost and on his way to a Christless eternity in Hell. Now, however, by the grace of God via the supreme sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ on Calvary’s barbaric cross, is now forgiven. Thus, with his myriad SINS even forgotten has since become clothed in the righteousness of Christ, alone, and now faultless to stand before the throne. God bless you, Hobbs, with a good day…

          • There it is. You don’t know the difference in a metaphor and a religious belief. Anyone with a rational mind and a well rounded education would be able to recognize the difference.

            “Corrected by surgery?” Oh yes. Nice dodge. That did not answer my question, of course. Surely you can think deeper than that.

            Sometimes the parents, stunned by their baby having ambiguous sex organs (intersexual) decided for themselves which gender the baby should be and order the surgery. But as the child grows, he/she discovers that he is not the gender they selected.

            Should the man or woman having their wrong genitals removed at birth never be allowed to marry?

            Here is a real example from “Intersex Babies: Boy or Girl and Who Decides? (ABCNews)” The story makes the doctors culpable for a wrong choice, but it was the parents decision. Doctors cannot operate on anyone without permission:

            Jim Bruce was born with XY male chromosomes but ambiguous genitals. Doctors couldn’t be sure if he had a large clitoris or a small penis and were convinced he could never live a “satisfactory life” as a man.

            So shortly after his birth in 1976, Bruce’s external organ and testes were surgically removed and he was raised as a girl.

            He struggled for years, preferring “rough and tumble” play and being attracted to girls.

            “I was unhappy, but it was really difficult to ask questions,” said Bruce, now a 34-year-old writer from California.

            When he was 12, Bruce was given female hormones so his body would feminize. Then, at 18, he prepared for a vaginoplasty — “designed to allow me “to have sex with my husband.”

            But he knew something was wrong and, battling depression, sought his medical records when he was 19.

            “I knew that I wasn’t a girl,” he said.

            What Bruce discovered was horrifying. “I was sterilized at birth — and no one ever told me,” he said.

            An estimated 1 in 2,000 children born each year are neither boy nor girl — they are intersex, part of a group of about 60 conditions that fall under the diagnosis of disorders of sexual development (DSD).

            My questions is, again, if, as most fundamentalist claim, your god makes male and female separate and distinct (“he didn’t create Adam and Steve . . .”), and that society must assign to all children the gender of their physical birth, give me your opinion on what went wrong in these arguments and please clarify.

          • Chet

            My opine on such is worth no more than yours, and no less. Nevertheless, I’ll bet the farm that nigh unto 100 % of the individuals playing this LGXXX business are in no wise among that credible group you cited. A man will never become a woman nor a woman ever become a man as DNA determines such and it’s unalterable… I guarantee you thank your lucky stars more oft than you’d care to admit in that you choose to thank God Almighty for nothing, not even your daily bread… Take care, Hobbs. Out…

          • Again, Chet, you are evading the question–downplaying the seriousness of a circumstance that is 100% important to the life of some individuals. Do they not count? Can you not find pertinent facts online? Are you no longer capable of admitting that there is a conundrum in your world view and trying to work it out?

            I’m looking for your straight-forward opinion on what to do in this circumstance. How would you have the government manage this person’s life.

            The question again:

            What should society do when a baby is born intersexual and the parents decide which gender they want it to be, but then choose the wrong one. Should government refuse to allow that person to seek happiness in marriage to a person who has the same genitalia? This has nothing at all to do with your god.

          • Chet

            Correct, dear Hobbs, this exchange continues with nothing to do about one’s accountability before the Holy One, the I AM, the Lord Jesus Christ of Calvary and where one will spend his/her eternity. Your concern(s), while admirable, are tied to this world and the short time each of us walk the ground. My concerns, since my own salvation experience with its subsequent eye opening, is geared towards enlightening the lost among us with the good news gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ of Calvary. It’s my calling to get the gospel out to all I possibly can by any means possible in rescuing the perishing and caring for the dying. My focus is on things eternal for all men as life is but a vapour that appeareth for a little time then vanisheth away. Of course I care about SIN and its ruination effects on mankind and it’s my calling to lead all to a saving knowledge of Christ and His will that none should perish but that all should come to repentance and faith in His precious shed blood on the cross of Calvary. Respectfully, there’s room for us both, no… Care or no, God has brought you, whatever your real name happens to be to my mind on a number of occasions since our frequent exchanges. And it’s my privilege to bring you before the throne of God’s grace and seek your soul’s salvation. God bless you and your Christian daughter, as I recall. Out, for now….

          • Show me evidence or an irrefutable argument for a “Holy One,” and I’ll believe it. Until then your words are hollow.

            In any case, I can see that you will not even attempt to address the conundrum of the intersexual. At least, apparently, I’ve made you aware that it is there. Your god does not make every child clearly male or female.

            I’m sorry that we couldn’t have a serious discussion about intersexuals. Most folks, I suspect, have never heard of them. But they are real and it definitely presents the Christian with a conundrum, as I’m sure you know.

            I’ve asked about this many times and so far no true believer has attempted to discuss genetics, or the trauma, and social impact such a person faces in his life. He certainly doesn’t need the government to pile on and tell him that he cannot choose marriage for happiness.

          • LynnRH

            what difference would it make if a true Christian did attempt to discuss the topic of intersexuals with you? You will only continue to argue anything said away. So sad……but I guess you’ll just have to save your arguments for the Lord God. 🙂

          • What value is there in knowledge? What value is there in learning something new and factual?

            Perhaps there is a misunderstanding here. I am not debating for the purpose of debating, but to show that religious certitude sometimes harms people because of misunderstanding. I don’t care what religion one believes, but some beliefs actually harm others. In some cases, it has let children and adults to commit suicide.

            The existence of intersexuals proves that every human being is not born distinctly male or distinctly female. The argument presented by true believers is that their god makes ever person clearly one or the other. Obviously this is not true.

            But the conundrum goes deeper than intersexuals. Think about it. If intersexuals exist, which they clearly do, then it proves that one’s outward, physical appearance does not always match their true genetic makeup–in this case, sexuality.

            Too, it suggests that you or I could have been born with a physical structure that does not match our genetic orientation, and thereby suffer all the condescension and humiliation fundamentalists typically bestow on intersexuals and homosexuals to the point of trying to forbid them from seeking happiness according to the dictates of their own conscience as guided by their natural genetic orientation.

            If we could all learn this and abide by the Golden Rule, which exists in your very own Bible: “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:31, KJV, then so many lives over time would be far happier and greater for it.

            If I were given irrefutable evidence that something I firmly believed was wrong (and I have been), then I would have to change my belief because I value objective truth and integrity far more than subjective belief. I think that any good god would agree.

          • To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
            Psalm 14:1

            It’s interesting how Satan sends his minions to troll Christian news forums and mock the most high God.

            It’s also tragic and frightful that one belongs to the evil one, and will one day face the mighty wrath of God for all eternity. “It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God”. – Hebrews 10:31

            The bible does not call us to ‘prove’ God is real, for He laughs at those who scoff and mock. IF He desires, He will reveal Himself to whomever He chooses. He owes mankind not one thing.

          • I’m sorry my friend, but you offer no intelligent argument, just personal attacks. Wouldn’t you rather show Christian love and engage me in civil, factual arguments?

          • Insults are all you have aren’t they? You are of your father, the devil. You come here to be divisive, and hang all your hope on your human wisdom. You think your intelligence far exceeds that of the God that created heaven and earth and all that is in it.

            Why are the nations in an uproar
            And the peoples devising a vain thing?
            The kings of the earth take their stand
            And the rulers take counsel together
            Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

            “Let us tear their fetters apart
            And cast away their cords from us!”

            He who sits in the heavens laughs,
            The Lord scoffs at them.

            Psalm 2

            The God of heaven calls you a fool. IF you could only understand what that means…..

          • That was an insult to you? Wow. I would certainly love to have a civil conversation with you but I see we can’t. No point in continuing.

          • It’s hard to fathom why you spend time on a Christian website lashing out at the God you say doesn’t exist in the first place – why all the effort? If you do not believe in God, then so be it. What do you hope to gain in renouncing the existence of a God you say isn’t real?

            8For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

            24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1

          • Why do I post here? For several reasons. First, however, you should know that I would never bother if fundamentalist Christians simply believe their religion and leave everyone else alone to believe what they want and stop trying to micromanage their lives.

            As well, I’m doing as much as I can to interject a bit of reason and logic into the conversations, and that reasoning is to “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

            In other words, respect their rights under the Constitution because they respect yours (and no, you do not have the right to dictate that they must live their lives in accordance with your religious beliefs).

            I have no problem whatsoever with folks believing in whatever they want. The problem comes with fundamentalists—while telling the government to leave them alone and screaming “persecution” whenever the government/courts tell them they can’t force their beliefs on others—have no problem at all trying to use that same government to force everyone else to bend to their beliefs.

            Here’s 11 examples:

            1. Having Christian prayers and proselyting to captive audiences in public schools and at public school activities. Parents are the only people who have the right to teach their children what they want in terms of religion, ethics, civility, empathy, etc. Usurping this right of parents is unconstitutional.

            2. Having government make laws requiring the teaching of creationism in public school science classes. It is not science and it is unconstitutional.

            3. Having government attempt (used to succeed) to prevent certain citizens from seeking happiness through marriage.

            4. Having the government find ways to prevent women from having control over their own reproductive lives.

            5. Attempting to defund public schools and funnel the money to private Christian schools.

            6. Having Bible literacy taught in public schools while fighting against any aspects of social studies classes to teach about Islam. (I’d prefer that all middle schools teach ABOUT all living religions without prejudice).

            7. Having the government to diminish the right of some citizens to participate in legal commerce (supported by tax dollars).

            8. Insisting on establishing Christian monuments and Bible verses on public property.

            9. Exempting Christian daycare from anti-child abuse laws.

            10. More attacks on women’s reproductive lives by denying them contraceptives whenever and wherever possible.

            11. Using deceitful means to get government to supply taxpayer dollars to a Christian theme park (while denying taxpaying non Christians the right to work there).

            There is more, of course, but enough for now.

            Bottom line–I would not come here if fundamentalists would mind their own business. I welcome rational, civil debate on or about religion or any other subject, but I do not welcome having a religion try to diminish my freedom–especially when it comes to children.

          • Perhaps you should follow your OWN ADVICE – you have a right to believe what you want as well, and you micromanage. You think it’s okay for same sex couples to attempt to raise children, so how are you any different than the Christians you lash out at?

            May the Lord of glory have mercy on you and save you. Your life is but a vapor, your time on earth is dwindling by the day, and you consume yourself with hating what God has ordained. This very God you mock and hate will one day judge you according to what lies in your own heart…

            Matthew 15:15 Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16 Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also? 17“Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18“But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. 19“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20“These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”

          • Perhaps you should follow your OWN ADVICE – you have a right to believe what you want as well, and you micromanage. You think it’s okay for same sex couples to attempt to raise children, so how are you any different than the Christians you lash out at?

            Think about it. I’m not dictating how they should live their lives. You are (or at least wanting to). They want to marry. Let them marry. You want to stop them. They want to raise a child in a loving home. You want to stop them.

            Bottom line, I want to leave them alone to seek happiness according to the dictates of their conscience. You want tell them how to live and deny them rights that you claim for yourself–to seek happiness the way YOU see fit.

            Just leave them alone and know that they have the same rights under the Constitution as you.

          • Everyone insists man has a ‘free will’, yet the bible says we are born sinners, with the same sin nature as Adam. We are all in bondage to sin, slaves to it -John 8:34- and ALL love darkness more than light, “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” John 3:19
            The will doesn’t act as its own separate entity, it does as the mind governs.
            Jeremiah 17:9 states ‘The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?’ Heart is from the the Hebrew leb: meaning ‘inner man, mind, will, heart’. All of the inner man is deceitful, meaning ‘full of trickery’ and desperately wicked, meaning ‘incurable, sick’. The will is in bondage to sin, darkness, evil. It cannot function outside of what controls it – a sin nature and a sinful heart.

        • Homosexuality is not based on ‘love’, it stems from a deep seeded forbidden lust-‘And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.’ Romans 1:27

          God has already defined marriage as one man, one woman – Genesis 2:24-‘Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.’
          God sends forth this warning from Hebrews 13:4, ‘Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.’

          The deeper the world sinks into sin; idolatry, immorality, perversion, greed, addiction, etc, the more evident it becomes that God has turned sinners over to their own evil depraved minds. Christ IS coming again, suddenly, as in the days of Noah. Rather than defend what God hates – sin – in this case, the sin of sodomy/homosexuality, you need to consider your own eternal fate. Your time on earth is dwindling, and you will very soon face the God that you hate and oppose. May His mercy open your eyes to see your own vile sins, and cause you to cry out to Him for mercy, like the tax collector in Luke 18, ‘Lord be merciful to me, a sinner!’.

          • Homosexuality is not based on ‘love’, it stems from a deep seeded (sic) forbidden lust-

            And you know this by . . . experience? Perhaps by evidence from objective scientific study? Or do you know the thinking and feelings of homosexuals? Oh, you know it from the Bible. So, what makes you think the Bible is factual? What makes you think that women must be “used” properly?

            In any case, if homosexuality is a sin and an abomination to your god–that male and female are born distinctly as your god wanted them, then what do you think of babies born intersexual (having both male and female sex organs)? Should they be denied any right to marriage? What was your god thinking? What are we to think? How are we to govern their lives?

          • The word of God states what it’s based on, which is why I gave Romans 1:27.

            BTW, we are NOT discussing genetic defects {-This is a fallen world, cursed by sin } – you are using a rabbit trail to divert away from the topic at hand – the sinful choice of homosexuality. we are discussing a choice, sinners who choose to lust after the same sex and not because they have a genetic defect. The root of homosexuality lies within the human heart…

            Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:13,14
            But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. Matthew 15:18-20
            By the word of God, any sex outside of the biblical covenant of marriage between one man and one woman is fornication, which is sin. The sin of homosexuality is birthed out of the sinful heart of those who partake in this abomination.

            It’s pointless to waste time on atheist trolls who delight in visiting Christian websites and engaging in fruitless babble. There are multitudes of Atheist sites you could visit and comment on, they would welcome you with open arms and agree with your opinionated rants.

          • . . . we are NOT discussing genetic defects {-This is a fallen world, cursed by sin } – you are using a rabbit trail to divert away from the topic at hand – the sinful choice of homosexuality. we are discussing a choice . . .

            Sorry Bern, but this is the same argument that the Church used a few centuries ago when they executed early scientists for the sin of researching the cause and results of disease on the body. Everyone knew back then that diseases were caused by demon possession, or by the Jews, or a god’s punishment for sin–and flies were born spontaneously from rotten meat.

            Were would medicine be today if the Church prevailed? Still blood letting and/or doing exorcisms.

            Were would medicine be today if the Church never objected to such research? Likely at least 500 years more advanced.

            So, you can dismiss science all you want in favor of pre-science beliefs, just like the Church did. I’m happy that your opinion does not prevail in law or logic.

            Homosexuality is a choice? What age were you when you made your choice to stop being attracted to your own gender?

            Genetic Defects? I wasn’t discussing them either. I was discussing normal variance in the human genome. If genetic variance did not occur, then the immune system would not be able to fight off new diseases. Oh, wait! Diseases are caused by demons. Sorry. I forgot.

          • Sorry ‘hobbesianworld’ your argument is the SAME argument used by those whose hearts are blackened by sin, whose minds are void of understanding, and whose desires are to exalt the ‘god’ you serve….Satan. You either serve the God who created all things, are you serve and belong to Satan.
            “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” John 8:44

            May the God of heaven and earth have mercy on you, may it please Him to open your understanding, break you over your vile sins, and cause you to cry out to Him for mercy for your never dying soul. Eternity awaits you, and without Christ, it will be most miserable for you.

            19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16

  • Tonya Elise

    So, the UNWANTED child goes with a family. How is that Christian? “Judge NOT lest ye be judged”, Pay attention to your own SINS. No person is without SIN ( Even so-called Christians).85% More Pedophiles in the world are Heterosexuals. Should the child be unwanted, when same-sex people are willing to raise them? Should we euthanize ALL children in stead of Adoption, that would be the same as Abortion in my book.

    • LynnRH

      True Christians don’t claim to be perfect. We know we aren’t perfect and fail Him miserably. We are continually admitting we are sinners…….but we know we are saved sinners. Because we do agree with God that He and only He is Creator God we won’t argue with Him about His plan for children to have a mother and a father. We true Christian’s WILL NOT re-write God’s laws.

      • Chet

        1000 thumbs up!

    • nchoss

      So are you suggesting we put children with murderers, rapist, alcoholics, etc. just so they have a “family?” Wouldn’t the children adopted by the lesbian couple who drove them off a cliff after using them for financial gain here recently been safer in an orphanage?

  • Chet

    Good on both organizations for taking a stand on God’s Word. Meanwhile, stand back and watch the Almighty honor them both one way or another. We ought to fear God rather than man…

  • Tristan Fry

    Gay men – not lesbians, and so you’re quite wrong in blaming homosexuals – contracted AIDS a lot 30 years ago. Your information is sadly out of date. And it wasn’t done on purpose as you seem to suggest…why would anyone basically commit mass suicide?

    • GrandmaDebbie

      Do a search for “bug chasing and gift giving”. It is done on purpose a lot of the time.

      • Tristan Fry

        And who are you laying the blame on for these practices…homosexuals?

        • GrandmaDebbie

          Did you read any of the information?

          • Tristan Fry

            Yes, but why would someone who wanted to deliberately infect themselves have to be homosexual? Why couldn’t they also be heterosexual?

          • GrandmaDebbie

            I have no idea why anybody would want to deliberately infect themselves or intentionally try to infect somebody else, but they are doing just that. Seems to be more popular among homosexuals, but I would imagine others do this as well.