‘I Kissed a Girl’ Katy Perry Speaks About Transcendental Meditation at Vatican Conference

Pop singer Katheryn Hudson, who goes by the stage name Katy Perry and is known for her lesbian experimentation song “I Kissed a Girl,” recently spoke on transcendental meditation alongside her mentor at the Vatican’s “Unite to Cure” conference. Her appearance, along with others, such as Deepak Chopra and Dr. Mehmet Oz, have raised concern about ongoing ecumenism at the Vatican in joining together all kinds of beliefs and practices under one banner.

“Bobby was able to teach me meditation in India,” Hudson told those gathered during the talk entitled “Impacting Children’s Health Through Meditation Globally.” “The stillness that I found is beyond anything I’ve ever experienced.”

“It’s helped a lot with my anxiety. Instead of having to turn to [a] prescription, I’ve been able to turn to this,” she said. “It helps incredibly with jet lag … and for all the Italians, it helps with the hangovers.”

Hudson asserted during the talk that meditation is not a religion, but is simply “taking care of one’s temple.”

“I was raised in a Christian household,” Hudson outlined, noting that her parents, who identify as evangelists, were present at the talk. “I was raised around the idea that our body is a temple. And I think if our body is truly a temple, we have to take care of it mind, body and soul. And this takes care of your mind.”

“I notice when I meditate that my whole brain kind of opens up—it kind of feels like a halo is ignited above my head,” she continued. “And it’s like I’m clearing out the cobwebs of my neuropathways and finding new neuropathways to ignite.”

Hudson said that transcendental meditation has also helped her creativity as a musical artist, “especially when I come out of it.”

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Her mentor, Bob Roth, praised Hudson, stating that “100 million people really trust” the pop singer, and said that she had helped others get into meditation because of her influence.

“600,000 young kids have learned to meditate, and a lot of it because of your words,” Roth stated. “No exaggeration, you have saved thousands and thousands of lives.”

“Words are very powerful,” Hudson replied. “God created the world with words.”

The pop singer also met Roman Catholic leader Jorge Bergoglio, known as Pope Francis, during her visit and tweeted, “Honored to be in the presence of His Holiness @franciscus’ compassionate heart and inclusivity.”

The event was billed as a global health care initiative and presented by the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Culture, the Stem for Life Foundation, the Cura Foundation and the STOQ Foundation. It featured a number of doctors and health care leaders, including New Age figure Deepak Chopra, and was moderated by CNN’s medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta, a Hindu; talk show host Dr. Mehmet Oz, a Muslim; CBS correspondent Max Gomez, and journalist Meredith Vieira.

View an outline of the conference here.

While the Vatican’s three-day conference was attended by priests, biotech representatives and celebrities alike, Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries told Christian News Network that he found both the allowance of a presentation on transcendental meditation and the ecumenical speakers’ list to be troubling.

“We can only wonder why Katy Perry was invited to a Vatican conference and an audience with the pope,” he said. “Perry pontificated about the benefits of TM from the very chair that Pope Francis often communicates his messages. In both cases, their ‘wisdom of this world is foolishness before God’ (1 Cor. 3:19).”

As previously reported, Hudson, a former Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) artist, spoke at a Human Rights Campaign gala in March 2017 and was presented with a homosexual advocacy award. She pointed to her 2008 hit song “I Kissed a Girl” during her speech as she told those gathered that “I did more than that.” Her remark generated both cheers and applause from attendees.

Hudson also made headlines in 2016 when she donated $10,000 to the abortion and contraception giant Planned Parenthood out of fear that the organization might be defunded by the Trump administration.

“Planned Parenthood educated me on my body and my reproductive health, so that I could focus on my dreams and using my voice until I knew the timing was right for me to make a plan to have a family,” she wrote on social media. “Without this education, I may have had a different life path.”


Gendron said that he believed that the allowance of Roth and Hudson’s talk on transcendental meditation, along with the other aforementioned speakers, further evidenced Bergoglio’s desire to unite all religions and beliefs.

“He is aggressively pursuing his ecumenical agenda for religious unity and not anything to stand in his way. Clearly part of his strategy for a global religion is to cast the net into all of society and unite the world through highly influential people,” he opined.

“What better way to suppress the doctrinal differences that divide religions than to promote the ungodly Hindu practice of TM. The practice is embraced by atheists, agnostics and people from a variety of religious affiliations,” Gendron stated. “The process opens the mind to the spiritual realm such that any thought can enter. God’s word gives a resolute warning to such devilish practices. We are to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ so that we can destroy speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God (2 Cor. 10:5).”

According to reports, transcendental meditation was first made popular in the 1950’s by Hindu guru Mahesh Prasad Varma, also known as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He learned the technique from Indian Hindu leader Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, of whom he was a follower, and named his efforts the Spiritual Regeneration Movement. Secular artists such as the Beatles are stated to have been taught by Varma.

Gendron, a former Roman Catholic of 30 years who now teaches Christians how to share the gospel with Catholics, said that the Vatican’s universal embrace, as evidenced by the various speakers, is not biblical.

“As the self-proclaimed head of the Roman Catholic Church, the pope’s blueprint for building his ecumenical church is much different from the blueprint of the Lord’s exclusive church. The true church was never ordained to be driven by man’s schemes and methods, but to be made up of all who would repent and believe His Gospel (Mark 1:15),” he stated.

“It is my prayer that Catholics would search the Scriptures to determine a true prophet from a false prophet, the true church from the false church and the narrow way that leads to life from the wide road that leads to destruction (Mat. 7:13-15).”

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  • KBear108

    This article indicates a great deal of pre-judging/prejudice as well as significant inaccuracies. The practice of Transcendental Meditation does NOT open the mind up so that any thought can enter. The practice does not in any way make one vulnerable. In fact, one becomes more awake to the beauties and blessings that God the Father has given us. As such, one’s relationship with Him and all of His creation blossoms.

  • Miss Perry is right in the mix with millions of others that are talked about in Romans 1:18-32.

    • Susan Perelka

      Many will have tickling ears and heap up teachers to tell them what they want to hear. They will no longer listen to sound doctrine. Having a form of godliness, but denying it’s power.

      Other people have gone down these types of paths and regretted it later in life. Biblical meditation is to ponder the things you read about in Gods word, not emptying your mind. Miss Perry is dabbling in something that is more powerful than her, she is in the initial stages of being “seduced” by the enemy. It is another wile of the devil. He is very cunning. He is a deceiver. The church continues to become spotted by the world more and more.

      Does anyone read the bible anymore and take it seriously? There are lots of warnings in there about not being deceived, to guard your heart because the devil goes about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, how the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light. There are warnings in there about deceiving spirits, evil spirits. They disguise themselves as something good to initially hook you. The devil even used scripture when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness. He doesn’t fight fair. The only way to catch him is to know the word of God and to test everything against it. If you dabble in occult-like things, the word says it will “defile” you.

      There is a spiritual world you want to keep away from, lucifer and the other angels that rebelled against God. In your own power, you are no match for them. Only the Holy Spirit can overpower them. They tremble at the name of Jesus because God is the Creator and they are part of the created. They are not more powerful than the One true God.

      Don’t dabble in these things, it will bite you in the end.

      • Most excellent post. That will preach in any pulpit on any given Sunday or any other day of the week. Thank you for yielding to The Holy Spirit and sharing His Truth with us.

        • Susan Perelka

          My heart is to warn people of the devils wiles because I can’t stand that creature, he only wounds people, but God heals.

          I only hope someone will listen, turn to Gods word to read these things themselves, and be prepared to stand against him with the full armor of God. I want to see people avoid his nasty traps.

          If anything I say will help even one person, it is well worth it!

          God bless you Doug, keep shining your light for His Kingdom. May God’s peace and grace rest upon you, fight the good fight of faith. It’s all worth it! Jesus is worth it!

          • Amen sister….AMEN!!!

          • Lydia Church

            Amen to all of that!
            Good to see some other Spirit filled Christians out there!

          • Susan Perelka

            The Lord always has his remnant. Though we are few, we have a Mighty God helping us.

  • MCrow

    Right…no deep breathing to calm down, everyone, because that’s against God’s will…

    • DrIndica

      Debate here is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how irrational or illogical Christians are, they will poop on the chess board and strut around as if they’ve won.

      • Susan Perelka

        Truth is truth and never changes. God is God and never changes, it’s that simple. And insults won’t stop us from speaking His truth.

        • DrIndica

          Truth is subjective.

          • Susan Perelka

            Truth is concrete and established by the Creator of all things, it doesn’t change. Look around you, the creation attests there is a Creator. You will stand before Him one day, that is just a fact. You are not more powerful than the One who made you.

        • Lydia Church


    • Lydia Church

      Deep breathing is not the problem.
      Altered states of consciousness are the problem and can lead to demonic influences.

  • KBear108

    Why was my comment deleted?

  • Sven

    Ugh. Trashy music, trashy morals.

  • Aryeh Siegel

    As much as TM denies it, TM is a Hindu religious practice. The instruction ceremony when one learns TM, known as the puja, and the sound used to practice TM, known as the mantra, are two example of this.

    Bob Roth is Katy Perry’s mentor and he has a best selling book on TM. He knows that the puja is the very heart of TM instruction, yet Roth doesn’t mention the word “puja” in his book. This is how he describes the ceremony,

    “Prior to the instruction, your teacher will perform a simple thank-you ceremony – an ancient way of expressing gratitude to the teacher. It’s a lovely cultural tradition, and not religious in any way. …You won’t, of course, be asked to participate in it. The thank-you includes a few fresh flowers, some fresh fruit, a stick of incense, and, to represent the tradition of meditation teachers, a picture of Maharishi’s teacher, Guru Dev.”

    In actuality, the puja has nothing to do with giving thanks; there is no mention or expression of “thank you” in the entire ceremony. In his description, Roth mentions that there is a picture of Guru Dev. He doesn’t mention that the image sits at the focal point of an altar, replete with little brass cups filled with camphor, rice, and other items the TM teacher uses to make eighteen offerings to Guru Dev. He doesn’t say that TM will not provide a translation of the puja to a prospective TM student.

    The student is required to bring some of the items used in the offerings. Therefore, contrary to being a passive observer or witness, bringing items used in the puja and paying the course fee, make the student an active participant in the ceremony. This involvement of the student in bringing items used in the ceremony is known as “Dakshina” in the Hindu religion. At the end of the puja, the student is invited to join the teacher in bowing down to Guru Dev.

    In 1978 TM was tossed out of the New Jersey public schools primarily because of the puja. The puja and TM’s underlying Hindu philosophical doctrine known as The Science of Creative Intelligence (SCI) were both declared religious practices in conflict with the establishment clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

    The court transcript documents that during the puja, the teacher makes eighteen offerings and bows to Guru Dev seventeen times. Every monotheistic religion considers this to be idolatry. The court further documents that, “the puja ends with a string of divine epithets that are applied to Guru Dev that no one would apply to a human being.

    Finally, the court ruled,

    Although defendants have submitted well over 1500 pages of briefs, affidavits, and deposition testimony in opposing plaintiff s’ motion for summary judgment, defendants have failed to raise the slightest doubt as to the facts or as to the religious nature of the teachings of the Science of Creative Intelligence [TM’s Hindu underpinnings] and the puja.

    TM teachers state, “You don’t have to believe in anything to do TM,” as proof that TM is not a religion. If that’s true, why doesn’t TM disclose the truth about the puja or provide an English translation of the ceremony and let people decide for themselves?

    By his own account, Roth has taught TM to many hundreds of devoutly religious people of all faiths. He writes that when he described the “ceremony,” some initially thought it could be religious. But when he explained its purpose, they appreciated it. Of course, as documented above, by distorting the truth he deceived people whom he knew cared deeply about their religious traditions and who were merely looking for a way to relax.

    In addition, TM mantras are the names of Hindu gods. In Maharishi’s own words as quoted in Beacon Light of the Himalayas, “But we do not select the sound at random. We do not select any sound like ‘mike,’ flower, table, pen, wail, etc., because such ordinary sounds can do nothing more than merely sharpening the mind…For our practice, we select only the suitable mantras of personal gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal gods…”

    I was so upset by the endless hype and denials of TM that I wrote a book on the subject, Transcendental Deception: Behind the TM Curtain – bogus science, hidden agendas, and David Lynch’s campaign to push a million public school kids into Transcendental Meditation while falsely claiming it is not a religion.

    • Susan Perelka

      Abba Father, Use this book to expose the enemies lies. Open people’s eyes to the truth and then show them the way of escape. Reveal Jesus to them, so that they may be healed. Thank You Lord for Your help. In Jesus Name. AMEN

  • Reason2018

    “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
    Mark 7:7

    “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
    Acts 8:36-37

    “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
    Matthew 23:5-10

    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
    Ephesians 2:8-10

    “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
    Romans 4:4-5

    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven [carved] image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
    Exodus 20:4

    “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
    Isaiah 42:8

    “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
    1 Timothy 2:5

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
    Luke 1:46-47

    “And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
    Luke 11:27-28

    “And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
    Mark 3:33-35

    “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he [Jesus] did once, when he offered up himself.”
    Hebrews 7:27

    “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
    Hebrews 10:10

    “Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
    Acts 16:29-31

    “And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.”
    Acts 10:25-26

    “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:13-15

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    Matthew 7:21-23

    “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”
    Revelation 22:8-9

    “And [Jesus] said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
    Mark 4:9

    • Mike Feehan

      AMEN, AMEN, AMEN….All of these verses expose their false teaching…

  • Lydia Church

    The question is:

    Is there a sin,
    that she hasn’t thrown in???

  • AJJ108

    In 1973, I learned TM in large part because the Bible teaches, “Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all else shall come to you.” And that “The Kingdom of Heaven is within.” I also learned that in the Old Testament one of the Psalms states, “You shall walk with the Lord in the land of the living.” Together, all of this means to me that experiencing the Divine is very possible and very necessary in this life.

    Nearly 45 years later, I still practice TM twice a day because…

    (I respectfully ask the editors not to delete this post.)

    • Susan Perelka

      You are deceived. The “wiles” of the devil means, you are a fish on the hook of the fisherman’s line, but you don’t realize it, and are being reeled in to your death. WAKE UP! We are trying to help you.

      • AJJ108

        Pardon me but you don’t know me but it is clear that you are quick to judge.

        As an educated professional who has studied comparative religions with respect and appreciation for the Truth, I know the importance of not being deceived. So, I am awake and ever vigilant.

        But thank you for your concern, if that is what it is.

        “(S)he who is without sin, let them cast the first stone.”

  • MessengerFromSevenSeas

    Of course, if there’s a story about her here, she’s “I Kissed A Girl Katy Perry,” not “Firework Katy Perry” or “Teenage Dream Katy Perry”….wonder why that is….

    And I just realized I know three Katy Perry songs, without even having to look them up. Wait, how did that happen??

  • Her appearance, along with others, such as Deepak Chopra and Dr. Mehmet Oz, have raised concern about ongoing ecumenism at the Vatican in joining together all kinds of beliefs and practices under one banner.

    No! We certainly don’t want to be inclusive and have diversity of opinion as a means to understand each other. What would happen if that became the norm? World peace? Sounds terrible and against God!

    • MessengerFromSevenSeas

      To be fair, I think the appearance of those two people should “raise concern” with anybody, Christian or otherwise.

      • Their “appearance?” Why would that raise concern. Shouldn’t we be open minded enough to listen to those of other opinions? Wouldn’t inclusiveness help in understanding each other easing the animosity?

        Is it that we should be concerned that she sang a song about kissing a girl? Does that mean she is a lesbian and should be excluded from Christian functions because her opinions are bad?

        • MessengerFromSevenSeas

          Hey, I agree with what you’re saying….by “those two” I meant Chopra and Dr. Oz. They’re both quacks, IMO.

        • master_chief_usn

          We don’t care where they appear. We are big enough to listen to, or read, their opinions; see, you and I are exchanging our opinions calmly right now even though I disagree with you.

          But when she is known around the world, and when she can record a song like that and sell a million CDs to our impressionable twelve year-old girls, and a million poorer girls shoplift it, that is a concern.

          A little off the subject, but…what people like you pretend to not understand is that Christian homosexuals, for instance, are free to attend our churches and participate in praise, worship, singing, shouting “amen,” attend Sunday School, etc. But when PRACTICING homosexuals want to toss their name in the hat for “Christian Education Director,” or “Sunday School Superintendent,” we have to draw a line. And that line begins and ends in Holy Scripture, sometimes referred to as “The Word Of God.”

          And, I understand you. You are obviously intelligent, you have a cool name that most people wouldn’t understand, and your very calm, reasoned questions are designed to make us look like frothing-at-the-mouth fools. So you see, it is you and your “ilk” (a word I have heard on talk shows” are intolerant of us and our deeply-held beliefs.

          Okay, your turn. I know you have some questions. But I am bored, so I will let Susan answer you.

        • master_chief_usn

          Moderator…about an hour ago I posted a comment (it is 2330, May 22) right here, in this specific location, and it is gone. Please don’t tell me it didn’t happen. It was a good comment, not mean, angry, or even confrontational. So why was it deleted?

          This is the third comment I have had deleted in as many days, so I am going to shake the dust off my sandals, and bid this news site goodbye.

          • I got your response in my email, obviously before it was deleted. I’ll read it there and respond if I think it warrants.

          • I know this is a bit lengthy, but please indulge me. You made some assumptions about me and most progressives that is not correct. Let’s try to better understand each other.

            your very calm, reasoned questions are designed to make us look like a “frothing-at-the-mouth fools.

            Well, first, I rarely “design” any comment to differ in tone from any other comment (when I’m not angry or frustrated, of course). I believe in civility and the use of correct English colored with metaphors, similes and commonly used means of speech. I’m sorry if this makes some folks feel like “frothing-at-the-mouth fools,” but I know of no other way to write as a means of being as clear as possible.

            Secondly, I can’t help it if some folks don’t understand my name-tag. It was “designed” to express an opinion (as others design theirs) and it would not hurt anyone to look it up if they so desire.

            Thirdly, I saw nothing in your post to warrant its deletion. Yes, there is a very mild personal attack but far less onerous than many I’ve gotten from others on the Christian News Network blogs and, admittedly, I’m guilty of the same now and then when frustrated.

            Fourthly, let me make this as clear as possible. Apparently you think that I am “intolerant” of your “deeply held beliefs.” I really don’t care what you belive. I come to this blog in an attempt to lend some balance. I try to promote equal rights–yours as well as all others. I try to live by the Golden Rule, which is in your Bible and the Holy books of other religions. It also is derived from the ancient sages.

            What I do care about is that too many folks do not settle just for believing in a religion, worshiping their god, and doing good works, but insist that all society must believe as they and live their lives according to Christian fundamentalist beliefs.

            I understand and fully agree that fundamentalist Christians want the government to leave them alone to worship as they see fit. Yet they want to use the government make laws that force others to live or not live a certain way according to the laws of the Bible.

            In matters of gay marriage, for example, fundamentalists are adamant about denying them the right to seek happiness in marriage or in adoption, and to manage their own lives according to the dictates of their hearts without government and/or religious interference. That is the intent of the Establishment Clause.

            So, I do not mind what fundamentalists believe, so long as they do not seek government assistance to micromanage the lives of others who do not believe as they. It’s a political thing for me, not a religious thing.

  • mary-ann

    keep away from this doctrine, its straight from hell!

  • Drake

    The Vatican seems to support everything except true Biblical Christianity.

  • Chet

    “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing:” II Corinthians 6:17a, Holy Bible…

  • Herb Planter

    HAHAHA katey perry hahaha damn the Catholics are so evil /smh

  • master_chief_usn

    My own song, “I Have Kissed Several Girls” isn’t selling very well.