UK Syphilis Cases Up 20 Percent in One Year

(The Christian Institute) Cases of syphilis—the sexually transmitted disease which left untreated can lead to meningitis and heart problems—have risen by a fifth in just one year.

Public Health England (PHE) said there were over 7,000 cases of the STI in 2017, with the vast majority among men who have sex with men.

Public Health England said overall STI rates were stable, with 16 to 24-year-olds having the highest rates of diagnoses.

But gonorrhoea rates were dramatically up, with a 22 percent increase in 2017 compared to 2016. For syphilis, PHE said there has been a 148 percent increase in diagnoses since 2008.

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  • Back before it became politically incorrect to admit, they used to warn against such “high risk” behavior…

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Gee ….. this is REALLY OLD data ….. it is over 10 days old …… how can we trust this data …… and its “mostly-obviously-biased sources ” …… but you know ….. none of these cases had anything to do with “monogamous homosexual partners” and we know that all “married” homosexuals are monogamous …… and shyphlis and gonorrhoea …….. they do not effect society and the families of these monogamous homosexual MSM partners …………… /////SARC OFF ……………..

    • HarmNoOne

      well obviously none of the cases have to do with monogamous partners, you dont catch stds if you are monogamous and that goes for gay or straight

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        see the link near the bottom of the story where it says “Continue reading this story” ……

        Public Health England (PHE) said there were over 7,000 cases of the STI in 2017, with the vast majority among men who have sex with men.

        • HarmNoOne

          that has nothing to do with monogamy.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            BINGO ….. NOW YOU GET IT ……….. or when a person writes “/SARC OFF ” do you not realize it was sarcasm ………

          • HarmNoOne

            your being sarcastic about a lot of things but you dont seem to know that there are commited gay couples who dont cheat on each other, just like straight couples.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “you dont seem to know that there are commited gay couples who dont cheat on each other, just like straight couples.”

            it is baloney ……… monogaISH maybe ….. but that is just permission to cheat ….. which i am sad to report to you …… AINT MONOGAMY ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            oh come on, two minutes online and I can see public notices of gay and lesbian couples celebrating 30 years together, 40 years together, your just being pathetic now. lots of gay people are committed to each other. get over it. the ones that aren’t are going to show up in the stories you read here but they aren’t all gay people just like you dont represent all christians.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” gay and lesbian couples celebrating 30 years together, 40 years together,”

            that is not evidence of monogamy …… and it certainly does not explain their being the PRIMARY cause of the increased numbers in virtually all STDs …………

          • HarmNoOne

            you don’t like gay people in committed relationships. too bad. doesnt mean they dont exist. they do so you have to accept that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “you don’t like gay people in committed relationships. too bad. doesnt mean they dont exist. they do so you have to accept that.”

            again … MYTH ………. their existence is not at issue ….. THE TRUTH is ……

          • HarmNoOne

            so you admit they exist. good. we are done then.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. the fact that homosexuals exist is not at issue …. the truth is … and the truth is their supposed “monoagamy” is a MYTH …………

          • HarmNoOne

            haha ok so all these people posting anniversary notices in the paper are lying, they havent spent 30 or 40 or 50 years together, its all a joke, they just go out for random casual sex in bars every night and dont really care about each other…how is anyone supposed to take you seriously…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “so all these people posting anniversary notices in the paper are lying”

            it is not evidence of monogamy …… i know many persons REALLY MARRIED, not “homomiraged” ….. and that one of the partners was unfaithful …… and they have stayed together ……. SO WHAT ……. length of marriage or even homomirage is not evidence of faithfulness ………

          • HarmNoOne

            they are together, faithful companions and happy, if you want to call that a mirage go ahead but it’s no different than straight people being married

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “but it’s no different than straight people being married”

            the Advocate story i posted to you says differently ….. as does numerous other studies …. so when are you going to stop lying about that ………

          • HarmNoOne

            what did i lie about? nothing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            everything you have written here has contained a lie ….

          • HarmNoOne

            tell me ONE thing I said which is a lie. ONE

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            homosexual monogamy ….. that monogamy is just staying together …. that i hate homosexuals and lesbians ….. and pretty much any post you have made in relation to that …. your belief in the lie does not make it NOT a lie ….. and just because you do not RECOGNIZE it is a lie does not mean it is not …..

          • HarmNoOne

            homosexual monogamy – not a lie
            monogamy is just staying together (not what I said)
            you hate homosexuals and lesbians….if you didnt why are you posting things you cant prove
            ive seen your posts here, you just scream lie at everyone who shows you that youre wrong.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “homosexual monogamy – not a lie
            monogamy is just staying together (not what I said)
            you hate homosexuals and lesbians….”

            so again with the epithets, mislabeling, lying, and character assignation …. ad hominem attacks …. WITH NO EVIDENCE …… because YOU cannot prove YOUR assertions ……. and you continue to spout your lies …….

          • HarmNoOne

            you like going in circles huh?
            homosexual monogamy is not a lie. you were shown that. so not a lie. open any newspaper and you can see two gay or lesbian couple celebrating a significant anniversary. they werent killed by an std because they arent bar hopping degenerates like you seem to think all gay people are.
            i never said monogamy was just staying together. i said it was staying with one person, go back and read for yourself and then you can apologize for calling me a liar.
            wheres the ad hominem? wheres the lies? what a total joke.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “open any newspaper and you can see two gay or lesbian couple celebrating a significant anniversary.”

            again …. that is not proof of monogamy ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            you didnt like the dictionary definition of monogamy. too bad. two people having a significant anniversary and advertising in the paper is the clearest demonstration of fidelity and togetherness there is. gay or straight.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “too bad. two people having a significant anniversary and advertising in the paper is the clearest demonstration of fidelity and togetherness there is. gay or straight.”

            NOPE ….. just staying together is not monogamy …… SEXUAL FIDELITY is …. one partner FOR LIFE ……… that is monogamy ……. and you have no evidence that these so-called “monogamous homosexuals” have been so …….

          • HarmNoOne

            and how are you gonna prove sexual fidellity? careful now…you have to do it for everyone, not just gay people…and if you can’t, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “and how are you gonna prove sexual fidellity? ”

            and i have ALREADY SAID ……. you cannot ……… so why do you continue in this futile effort …….

          • HarmNoOne

            then why are you making statements like gay monogamy is myth when you cant prove them????

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so … again …… because most homosexuals will tell you it is …… IF they are honest ….. but even if they say they are …… it is not provable …… and YOU are the one here ASKING FOR PROOF ….. on a continuing basis …….. but all of a sudden what they SAID is good enough for YOU …….

            i do not believe them ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            burden of proof is on you since you made the original statement, if gay monogamy is a myth prove it…you cant…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again ….. this is not a burden of proof site ….. if you reject truth …. YOU pay the penalty …… not me because i told you the truth …………. not my job to prove your myth a myth ……… God says it is idolatry ….. worship of a false god …… not my problem …. YOURS ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            it isnt truth just because you keep insisting it is. loving another person isnt idolatry OR worship

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “loving another person isnt idolatry OR worship”

            so you keep wanting to tell all us dumb christians what christianity is …… and you have no idea of what it is or how you become one ….. and yet you want to pontificate about it as if you do …………..

            and that we should listen to you ………. FAIL ………….

          • HarmNoOne

            i cant find a single definition of christianity online that says you have to believe gay monogamy is a myth. if this is such a prominent christian belief show me where it says that. and no the bible doesnt count otherwise we would not have so many christians supporting gay rights.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            to be a christian you have to be able to spot lies ….. call them lies ….. recognize them as lies ….. and state them to be lies ….. and to do that you have to have read and accept the truth of scripture ………. which you clearly do not ………. so what …… not my problem ….. YOURS …………..

          • HarmNoOne

            so you are saying all other christians are liars?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i call them deceived ……..as you are …..

          • HarmNoOne

            this is a CHRISTIAN FORUM, why are you attacking other christians?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            not an attack ….. but it is scriptural to call false christians what they are ……. as you are a non-christian …….

          • HarmNoOne

            I could be the easter bunny for all it matters, you are lying about homosexuals and everyone knows it

          • Charles des Barres

            It’s evidence of being together with another person for a long time and staying with each other, what more do you want?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            that is not the definition of monogamy …….

          • Charles des Barres

            the practice or state of being married to one person at a time.
            the practice or state of having a sexual relationship with only one partner.
            Zoology
            the habit of having only one mate at a time.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “the practice or state of being married to one person at a time.”

            the practice or state of being married to one person at a time. ….. there i fixed that for you ……….

            “the practice or state of having a sexual relationship with only one partner.” …… FOR LIFE ….

            “the habit of having only one mate at a time.” ….. there i fixed that for you too ……….

          • Charles des Barres

            You fixed nothing, you changed what the dictionary says.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … i CORRECTED it and your error ……..

          • Charles des Barres

            Word for word it was cut and pasted from Merriam-Webster. Such a solid FAIL on your part.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so what … still YOUR ERROR ……..

          • Charles des Barres

            It looks really bad when you fight with the dictionary. It is a fight you will always lose.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        The myth is that homosexuals were ever monogamous ………..

        • HarmNoOne

          some are and some are not, just like heteros

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            MYTH ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            google gay men and monogamy and report back to me

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            have done it many times ….. sad news for you …… google does not always present the truth ….. and that is what we talk about here ………. homosexual monogamy while discussed is not really taken seriously by any homosexual participant …….

            SLATE > Com
            The Dirty Little Secret: Most Gay Couples Aren’t Monogamous
            By Hanna Rosin

            i have NUMEROUS others ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            you are welcome to provide proof but you wont find any

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have given you TWO so far ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            that slate article is an opinion piece not fact, and there is at least one article refuting it. also the slate article doesnt say committed gay coupoles dont exist. even if you believe what it says the word MOST in there should tell you that it isnt talking about ALL.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure ….. there are scientific studies ……. “MOST in there should tell you that it isnt talking about ALL.” …. because they are liberal and they are cowards …. SO WHAT else is new ……

          • HarmNoOne

            most does not mean all. so why are you trying to lie about it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i do not have to lie about homosexual monogamish …… it is a lie all its own …….

          • HarmNoOne

            A lesbian couple who recently celebrated their 50th anniversary are featured in a new campaign video for Hillary Clinton: They’re with her.
            Pearl Berlin, 92, and Lennie Gerber, 80, met in 1964 after
            being invited to a brunch in Detroit set up by a mutual friend. Their
            decades-long romance wasn’t love at first sight, but the two women, both
            Jewish and raised in Brooklyn, recognized kindred spirits.

            posted in the advocate

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. SO WHAT ….. that is not evidence of monogamy ………….

          • HarmNoOne

            hahahahahahahaha
            do you follow all people around with a video camera to make sure they aren’t cheating on each other? why is it so hard for you to believe people can be faithful to one another just because they are lesbians…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            see ….. i do not have to … i know ALL MEN are liars ……. and they lie to make themselves good to others …. and they would rather lie than look foolish ……….. and in the end …. they are making YOU look foolish ………..

          • HarmNoOne

            all men are liars. inclulding you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            well i am a man …. so …. YUP ……. i am as sinful and fallen as everyone else ….. SO WHAT …..

          • HarmNoOne

            so you could be lying right now couldnt you. In fact I know you are.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            well you show the lie …… because i have already shown where you are lying …… and continue to do so ……

          • HarmNoOne

            what Im lying by saying there are monogamous gay people? prove thats false, you havent been able to so far

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            monogamy has to do with the sexual relationship …… what homosexuals do is not sex …… they play at a physical relationship …… but that is not sex just because an orgasm is present ….. NOPE ….. no sex …. no children ….. no monogamy ….. and no NEED to be monogamous …… and they are not ….. a myth ……… what they call a marriage is just a MIRAGE …… a thing they want to call marriage …… but it has none of the essential elements to even be considered as such ……… love does not make a marriage ….. and they refuse to even DEFINE love accept to use the semantically null statement “love is love” ….. IT AINT ………

          • HarmNoOne

            so now your saying homosexuals dont have sex either? doesnt that sort of go against all the stories you keep posting about std statistics? lol youre so befuddled you dont even realize youre posting conflicting info. guess what if you have sex and someone doesnt get pregnant it is still sex. and for you to say homosexuals cant love its even more crazy that what you said about them not being able to be monogamous. youre unbelievable.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “so now your saying homosexuals dont have sex either?”

            no possiblity for children … NO SEX ….. no need for “monogamy” …..

          • HarmNoOne

            using that logic old people and those who cant conceive shouldnt be partners either.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            two old people of the opposite sex have the potential to give birth ….. two men ….. NOPE …… two women ….. NOPE ……. not unless they STEAL from the opposite sex …….. so lets make this CLEAR ……. NO POSSIBLITY of conception …………. so no sex ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            who cares? if your criteria about why two people shouldnt be together is that they cant produce children then you either have to admit its a bigoted thing to say or tell all the others they cant have kids too.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            never said they cant be together …….. so ANOTHER LIE ….. it just not a marriage ….. it might be a homomirage ….. but that is not a marriage …… and it does harm to both of them, their families, and society ……. so it is not love ………….

          • HarmNoOne

            whatever your issue is, gay people and straight people alike can be monogamous and ARE monogamous, they are committed faithful partners and both are recognized as married. so tell us again why it isn’t legit, using proof and not your opinions.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            many homosexuals give it lip service …. SO WHAT ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            and many dont.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            right … they do not even bother to bring up the MYTH ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            it is only your opinion that its a myth, it’s easily destroyed when you see how many gays and lesbians are celebrating significant anniversaries

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ….. it is only YOUR OPINION that it is NOT …………

          • HarmNoOne

            burden of proof is on you. you made the statement now put up or shut up.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            this is not a burden of proof site …. this is a truth site ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            present some truth then

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            pick up your bible then ……

          • HarmNoOne

            this has nothing to do with the bible

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            has EVERYTHING to do with truth …… and so we see that …. in fact …… you reject truth …..

          • HarmNoOne

            stop changing the subject, this is all about you claiming homosexual monogamy is a myth. that isn’t in the bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the subject is the same from the beginning of this conversation ………. LIES AND TRUTH ….. homosexual monogamy is a myth and a lie ….. i have never said anything else …… SO ….. it is about truth and AUTHORITY for the truth …… and this is a CHRISTIAN FORUM ……. and the AUTHORITY is scripture …….. so if you want to have that conversation ….. then pick up your bible …..

          • HarmNoOne

            when you say homosexual monogamy is a myth and a lie and cant support it with evidence and just start pointing to the bible which says nothing about the subject I think it’s fair to say that you lose, so lets just concede that you lose.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again ….. people of the opposite sex have the potential to give birth ….. two men ….. NOPE …… two women ….. NOPE ……. not unless they STEAL from the opposite sex …….. so lets make this CLEAR ……. NO POSSIBLITY of conception …………. so no sex …….. no sex means there is no monogamy and no need for monogamy …….. and homosexuals do not accept heterosexual definitions and roles ….. myth …….

          • HarmNoOne

            like i said before, if you think people shouldn’t be together for a physical relationship just because they cant conceive then you must also be opposed to the elderly and those who cant have children being together. you arent going to win this one.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have no evidence that really old men and women cannot ever concieve …… two men or two women OTOH …….. mountains of evidence that they cannot without finding the opposite sex ………. and it destroys society ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            if they are happy together who cares. is that what bothers you, two people find happiness in each other…so they have to ask amos moses for permission…wow…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i see … ad hominen ….. no refutation …..

          • HarmNoOne

            not an ad hominem. answer the question, does it bother you that two people fall in love and want to spend their lives together, because thats what Im really getting out of you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so a false assertion is what you are making as AD HOMINEM …….. and that is not a refutation ……… and it is not love …. it is NARCISSISM ………

          • HarmNoOne

            no narcissism is and I quote excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one’s physical appearance. when you want to spend the rest of your life with someone it isnt narcissism. once again I see you making excuses for heterosexuals who do exactly the same thing. also you appear to not understand what ad hominem means either…i haven’t insulted you at all so there is no ad hominem

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not
            boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not
            self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
            wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the
            truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always
            perseveres. Love never fails.”

            EVERYTHING the homosexual does in CONTRARY to what love IS …… so it is NOT love ….. it is NARCISSISM …………

          • HarmNoOne

            funny you posted that verse, I know a gay couple who had it read out at their wedding.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            too bad it did not mean what SCRIPTURE says about it …………..

          • HarmNoOne

            which is nothing since gay marriage did not exist then.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. SO WHAT ……… NARCISSISM has no bounds on far it will go to deceive those who fall under it ………

          • HarmNoOne

            so what? so stop trying to make your bible justify your obvious anger when the bible says nothing about what youre angry about.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “justify your obvious anger ”

            false assertion of anger and ad hominem ……….

            “when the bible says nothing about ”

            because you cannot recognize what it says …… does not make it silent …. NOR IS IT SILENT ……….. and YOU are not a competent judge of it ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            its impossible for it to have talked about something that did not exist, or has that little problem escaped you

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            SODOM and GOMORRAH ………….

          • HarmNoOne

            nope…no gay monogamy involved there

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            gay marriage was ……. and that was YOUR point ……. that it was not in scripture …. and ….. IT CLEARLY IS ………… in SODOM ……. hence the word SODOMY ………

          • HarmNoOne

            the sodom and gomorrah story isnt about gay marriage or gay monogamy

          • ♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥

            Amen

          • Charles des Barres

            Here you are pointing out STD stats of gay men and then you self-contradict by saying gays are not having sex? STDs are sexually transmitted meaning THEY ARE HAVING SEX!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Here you are pointing out STD stats of gay men and then you self-contradict by saying gays are not having sex?”

            NOPE … what they do is not sex ….. i did not say they WERE NOT doing things to spread STDs ……. sure they do ….. “STDs are sexually transmitted meaning THEY ARE HAVING SEX!” …. NOPE ….. they are doing things WITH THEIR JUNK so that DISEASE spreads …. that does not make it sex ………..

          • Charles des Barres

            Yeah, well guess what, it’s sex. Nobody has time to keep up with your denial of things that you deny in spite of their existence.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ALSO …… The Advocate is the source for this ………… so YES they do ……….

            For centuries, heterosexual people have defined what marriage is. It started out as a type of possession: “I own you.” Hardly anchored in love, was it? And yet, this is the model that most of the human race has embraced for hundreds of years. Only in the last century or so has marriage begun to be based on love, mutual respect and understanding.

            As two men considering getting married, we no longer have to do it “that” way. This is a cause for rejoicing! This is real freedom! So why aren’t we more excited about this? Because this kind of freedom isn’t easy. It’s quite daunting to invent or re-invent a cultural institution that’s been around longer than anyone alive can remember. It’s so much easier to just follow what straight people have been doing and — maybe — modify it a little bit, tweak it just a tad.

            This is certainly an option. But, given the power of our community to create and invent our own norms and institutions, why would we settle for that?

            Marriage between two men is — in my experience as a psychotherapist — dramatically different than heterosexual marriage. It’s a double testosterone marriage. With all that testosterone, sex is probably going to be handled quite differently for us than for some straight couples or even for some lesbian couples.

            Let’s be clear, I’m not saying that we are helpless victims of our libidos. Instead, we can be intelligent, aware creators of a new kind of marriage that acknowledges that two men together have unique gifts (and challenges) that other kinds of couples don’t. Be prepared to rethink everything you’ve been told about marriage. The bottom line here is: Finally. we get to do it our way.

            Many of our relationships start off monogamous. However, because sex is so important to a lot of us, it is my experience that about half of our relationships — over time — are not 100% monogamous. Whether married or not, many gay relationships begin to “open up” after the first few years. In the book, we’ll follow two couples as they explore how to handle the desire for sex outside their marriages.

            Many gay couples do want monogamy. But these couples often find themselves smack in the center of a community that only pays lip service to it. These couples want to be faithful to each other, but their community encourages them (both overtly and covertly) not to. Readily available sex doesn’t make monogamy very easy.

            I’ve had clients tell me that, shortly after they got married, their friends began to ask them questions like, “So, are you really going to be faithful to (husband’s name)?” and “Everyone starts out monogamous at the beginning, but how do you pull that off when everyone around you wants to have sex with you?”

          • HarmNoOne

            whats the difference who runs the story, its just a human interest story about two lesbians who are celebrating a lifetime together…I can easily show you many more from other publications

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            well you were the one quoting the Advocate as if it is some fount of truth ………. so it is your endorsed source ….. but now when they are saying what i have been saying you want to run away from that …..

            that just about puts the cherry on the parfait ………..

          • HarmNoOne

            it could be the national enquirer posting it, who cares, it is proof that gay and lesbian people celebrate milestones like everyone else. thats a long time together to be commited to another person.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but there is no proof of monogamy ….. which is YOUR point …….. and being roomies is not a laudable goal no matter how long …… so they were together … so what ….. it was not in marriage …… there is nothing to celebrate except the destruction to others lives they have wrought ………. Stalin was committed to killing people for many years ….. we do not celebrate it ……

          • HarmNoOne

            if you cant prove it you shouldnt be talking like its a fact. thats how hate spreads in this world.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “if you cant prove it you shouldnt be talking like its a fact”

            right …. so when ARE YOU going to take YOUR OWN ADVICE ………..

          • HarmNoOne

            you are the one saying homosexuals cant be monogamous. put up or shut up as the saying goes.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE … and AGAIN you lie ….. i did not say they COULD NOT ……. i said THEY DO NOT …. and the difference of those two positions you do not seem to be able to grasp …….. so YOU put up or shut up and PROVE that is what i said ….. when i did not …….

          • HarmNoOne

            oh big deal, i said cant you said dont, it’s the same thing. and you still show no evidence and you still have no proof, and those classifieds in the paper still prove youre wrong. you got nothing brother. nothing at all

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “oh big deal, i said cant you said dont, it’s the same thing.”

            only in your post modern garbage ideas of what English is ………

          • HarmNoOne

            says the guy who wont accept dictionary definitions.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            your dictionary is not the authority ……… and neither are you …….

            DOES OBJECTIVE MORALITY exist …………….

          • HarmNoOne

            if you cant follow what a dictionary says and play by your own rules you cant expect people to have a serious conversation with you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no, no, no ….. YOU came here …… this site IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM ……. and sorry …… you dont get to go to Canarssi to play stick ball using Brooklyn rules …… you do not have ANY AUTHORITY here to demand we play by your rules and definitions ……. the standard here IS SCRIPTURE and its truth ……… not your desire to argue about it ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            act like a christian then

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i am …. and why would you say i am not ….. WHEN YOU ARE NOT ………. you have no authority to say who is a christian and who is not ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            “gay monogamy is a myth” is not a christian statement.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are not a christian so how would you know ………..

          • HarmNoOne

            because i know of no christians who make that statement at all

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            K …. so what ……

          • ♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥

            Amen.

          • Charles des Barres

            “Most Gay Couples Aren’t Monogamous”? That’s Not Dirty, a Secret, or True.

            By Nathaniel Frank

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples

            by: Timothy J. Dailey, Ph. D.

            “Married and Gay Couples Not All that Different,” proclaimed the headline of a news article portraying homosexual households as remarkably similar to married couples. “We’re the couple next door,” claimed one partnered homosexual. “We have a dog and a cat. I drive a Volvo. I’m boring.”[1] Such down-home portrayals of homosexual couples are meant to provoke the question: Since gay couples really differ only in that both partners are of the same sex, what rational basis exists for denying them full marriage rights?

            Are homosexual households, as the article suggests, simply another variant of human relationships that should be considered, along with marriage, as “part of mainstream American society”?

            On the contrary, the evidence indicates that “committed” homosexual relationships are radically different from married couples in several key respects:

            · relationship duration
            · monogamy vs. promiscuity
            · relationship commitment
            · number of children being raised
            · health risks
            · rates of intimate partner violence

            Finally, this paper will present evidence from gay activists themselves indicating that behind the push for gay marriage lies a political agenda to radically change the institution of marriage itself.

            but hey ………. GOOGLE IT ………..

          • HarmNoOne

            timothy dailey is a widely debunked idiot. opinion pieces mean nothing and this article STILL doesn’t say there are no gay monogamous couples. why are you trying to hard to prove something impossible?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            right … a scientific study you do not want to agree with as it leaves you butt hurt with the facts …….

          • HarmNoOne

            his study doesnt say there are no monogamous gay couples. read it again

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it says what YOU want to call monogamy ….. and what homosexuals call monogamy …… and what monogamy REALLY is ……… is not what homosexuals are portraying it to be ….. they are lying through obfuscation, sophistry, and casuistry ……… and a lie is still just a lie …..

          • HarmNoOne

            nice try. you cant say that his words really mean something other than what they say. youre making a crazy unsupportable statement when you say there is no such thing as a faithful gay or lesbian couple especially when there are millions of examples online that shoot your pathetic lie down.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there is no evidence ….. length of time spent together is not evidence of monogamy …..

          • HarmNoOne

            in that case you cant prove that anyone is monogamous and faithful. gay or straight

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            wow …. you get it ….. so why do you not quit trying to prove what cannot be proven ……….. and quit trying to use it as some kind of homosexual paragon of virtue ….. WHEN IT AINT ….. and it is a lie ………….

          • HarmNoOne

            ok so heres what we got here. you dont like gay and lesbian people so you make a completely impossible to prove statement like gay people cant be monogamous and everyone is just supposed to believe you. and the only reason you give is that they cant be faithful because they are homosexuals. if all you have it an opinion you can never prove then why post it here like its a fact because its not.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” you dont like gay and lesbian people ”

            so you are going to start out by lying about me …… why should i go any further than this … you have no evidence of this being true …….. and now you have proven YOURSELF to be a liar ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            if you didnt dislike gay and lesbian people you wouldnt be here trying to convince everyone that there is no such thing as gay and lesbian people being able to be commited to each other. you have no evidence of that and no one ever says stuff like that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “if you didnt dislike gay and lesbian people you wouldnt be here trying to convince everyone ”

            false assumption with no evidence …………. so you are lying ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            well did you or did you not say there is no such thing as monogamy among gay people?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure ….. TELLING THE TRUTH …… is not hate …….. so YOUR false and delusional conflation that it is hate is just your own imagination ………… telling someone they believe a lie that is harmful to them is not hate …..

          • HarmNoOne

            all your doing is saying the same thing over and over and calling it truth. you still havent proven that homosexuals cannot be monogamous, and you cant prove that. so what are you except a guy with an uninformed opinion?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “all your doing is saying the same thing over and over and calling it truth.”

            truth does not change …. so ….. DUH ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            its not truth. there are committed faithful homosexuals out there. as you have been shown

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “committed faithful homosexuals out there”

            and the ADVOCATE says it is not … paying lip service to it is not being it ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            the advocate didnt say that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            AGAIN ………

            Many gay couples do want monogamy. But these couples often find themselves smack in the center of a community that only pays lip service to it. These couples want to be faithful to each other, but their community encourages them (both overtly and covertly) not to. Readily available sex doesn’t make monogamy very easy.

            I’ve had clients tell me that, shortly after they got married, their friends began to ask them questions like, “So, are you really going to be faithful to (husband’s name)?” and “Everyone starts out monogamous at the beginning, but how do you pull that off when everyone around you wants to have sex with you?”

          • HarmNoOne

            thats just one guy with an opinion and for the millionth time he says nowhere in this article that all gay people cant be monogamous, excuse me, arent monogamous. which is what you keep claiming over and over with no proof.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “thats just one guy with an opinion and for the millionth time ”

            yup … and SO ARE YOU ….. you have no authority here ………. if you do then show it ….

          • HarmNoOne

            you are the guy making the statement you cant back up.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again … not my job to convince of the truth ……….. it is only my job to PRESENT the truth to you …… if you reject the truth …… THAT IS YOUR own personal PROBLEM ………….

          • HarmNoOne

            when you dont know what the truth is and cant prove it you have no business presenting anything.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then you should leave ….. because you have yet to prove anything ….. but hey …. it is your standard …… and you think it does not apply TO YOU …………

          • HarmNoOne

            all I have done is point out that your statement is an unsupportable unchrsitian lie.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have not proven anything …… you have no proof of even one monogamous homosexual group ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            you were shown many monogamous homosexuals online but didnt like the dictionary definition of monogamy. its all game playing with you, you keep moving the goalposts and changing the subject.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “you were shown many monogamous homosexuals online ”

            that is not evidence of monogamy …….

            “the dictionary definition of monogamy.”

            is not the authority here and neither are you ……….

            “you keep moving the goalposts and changing the subject.”

            i do not have to move them ….. your aim and vision is so out of whack you could not hit ground with your hat ………. your problem is you reject truth ….. and i am unable to remedy your malady ………

          • HarmNoOne

            if you don’t believe monogamous people are monogamous no one will be able to prove it to you. you have decided to live your life in distrust but either way it isn’t something you can prove. you keep using the word truth when you cant even prove you have it. this is a total joke

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “if you don’t believe monogamous people are monogamous no one will be able to prove it to you.”

            i do not ……… and you cannot ….. all you have is their word ….. and that IS NOT EVIDENCE ….. you know PROOF ……. that samething you keep demanding of the truth ………

            FYI …… there is nothing higher than the truth …… if there was “proof” of the truth …… then the “proof” would be higher than truth …..

            SO …… the task you have set for yourself is …… PROVE the PROOF is higher than truth …..

            good luck with that ………

          • HarmNoOne

            so you are saying they aren’t monogamous without proof so why are you calling on me to disprove what you are unable to prove in the first place?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE … YOU are the one calling for PROOF …… but YOU ….. in SELF CONTRADICTION ….. demand no proof of homosexual monogamy ….. and it just comes down to “they said so” ……… other than that you have no proof positive whatsover ………

            all men lie …. i do not believe any attestation of homosexual monogamy …. as it comes only from men who lie ………

          • HarmNoOne

            you say gay monogamy is a myth, and you can just state your opinion and call it truth and call anyone who disagrees with you a liar, but anyone calling you on your lie has to be the one to show YOU the proof? no I dont think so. have you wondered why no other christians here are coming to your defense, its because what your saying is insane.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i am saying to even misuse the word “gay” to describe what you are talking about is a bastardization of language …… and to try to connect monogamy to it is just further deepening the lies you are telling …………. “you can just state your opinion and call it truth” … it comes from scripture not my opinion …….. “but anyone calling you on your lie has to be the one to show YOU the proof” …. NOPE …. i did not say you had to prove anything ….. IN FACT … i said your demand of proof does not seem to apply to YOU by your own standard …… as you accept the words of others and NO PROOF that they are monogamous …..

            ” have you wondered why no other christians here are coming to your defense, its because what your saying is insane.”

            and why do you think 1. i need them or 2. that i care if they do or do not ………. FYI …. they know you to be a troll sock puppet ……… and they do not care what your opinion is ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            scripture doesnt talk about any of this, how could it being written so long ago. its really simple, you make a claim like homosexuals are not ever monogamous then you have to prove it. I don’t have to prove anything since I know that monogamous homosexual couples exist. and so do you. you are just having a temper tantrum and saying ridiculous things you know you cant prove. well this is a christian site like you say so act like a christian or go away.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “scripture doesnt talk about any of this,”

            it surely does ….. you just cannot recognize it ……….

          • HarmNoOne

            ok find me the words monogamy and homosexual. if you can’t find both then you lose

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the concepts are there … you do not want or refuse to recognize them ….. again … your problem … not mine …. the bible does not use a lot of words we recognize as words today ….. irrelevant …….. it is dealt with and in specific detail ….. your denial of the truth ….. DOES NOT ALTER or negate the truth ………..

            FYI …. i do not do bible studies with unbelievers …… you seem to think you are in the position of JUDGE …… of scripture and of God …… YOU AINT ….. and i refuse to put you over scripture as a judge of scripture ….. AS YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED to do so in any way, shape, or form ………. so YOU LOSE ……..

          • HarmNoOne

            if the words arent there then the concept cannot be either, your just using catch-all quotes from the bible to try to prop up your position. gay marriage wasnt even a thought when the bible was written and here you are trying to make it out to be something thats in there, how dishonest can you get?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …… and again …… FYI …. i do not do bible studies with unbelievers …… you seem to think you are in the position of JUDGE …… of scripture and of God …… YOU AINT ….. and i refuse to put you over scripture as a judge of scripture ….. AS YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED to do so in any way, shape, or form ………. so YOU LOSE …….. YOU are not in AUTHORITY here …..

          • HarmNoOne

            you arent an authority either, your a guy with an opinion talking like he’s got authority, you have a lot of anger and paranoia but no facts. i still cant believe anyone would try to tell people that no gay couple can be monogamous. its impossible for you to know that and not even possible to study so where do you get off saying its truth. its not. its hate.

          • Lily Of The Valley

            i do not ……… and you cannot ….. all you have is their word …..and that IS NOT EVIDENCE ….. you know PROOF ……. that samething you keep demanding of the truth ………

            First, evidence and proof sometimes don’t mean quite the same thing, but maybe that’s beside the point here. But anyway, how can you criticize someone for offering only “their word” for evidence when it’s all you have to offer yourself? You gave some articles for your “proof”. So, you’ve got nothing but their word yourself.

            FYI …… there is nothing higher than the truth …… if there was proof” of the truth …… then the “proof” would be higher than truth
            …..SO …… the task you have set for yourself is …… PROVE the PROOF is higher than truth …..

            That doesn’t make any sense. How do you know something IS the truth without any proof or evidence? And anyway, you’re offering your supposed “proof” of your assertions, so aren’t you guilty of the same thing you’re accusing HarmNoOne of?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “, how can you criticize someone for offering only “their word” for evidence when it’s all you have to offer yourself?”

            you seem to miss the point ….. the persons who i am having this discussion with …. THEY demand EVIDENCE …. verifiable EVIDENCE ….. and thats good ….. that is SCIENCE …… but while they want to DEMAND proof from God …… the level of EVIDENCE suddenly changes when we start talking about homosexuals ……….

            can you spell HYPOCRISY …………..

          • Lily Of The Valley

            It seems to me like you’re being at least as much of if not more of a hypocrite, if you’re criticizing someone for offering personal anecdotes as evidence of the same thing that you’re offering testimony in an article somewhere to disprove. How is that article any better evidence than than his evidence? Especially when the article doesn’t even support your assertions in the first place?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they want to use the sources of this world to prove their case ….. at BEST the “evidence” is CONTRADICTORY ….. BUT ….. it does go to show the SELF CONTRADICTORY nature of what they want to present as AUTHORITY ……….. and so …. HERE ….. on this CHRISTIAN forum ….. the only authority is SCRIPTURE …… but they want to think THEY are the authority …… DENIED ………….

          • Lily Of The Valley

            The only authority is Scripture? Okay then….not that I’m buying that, but anyway…what in Scripture backs up your claim that are no monogamous gay people?

          • Lily Of The Valley

            That does not say that there are NO monogamous homosexual people.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it does say you cannot SCIENTIFICALLY prove that they are ….. and all you have is their word ….

            and people lie to the people asking them such questions to make themselves seem VIRTUOUS in the eyes of others ……..

          • Lily Of The Valley

            My point was that the article you cited does not actually support your assertions. You’re basically saying there are no monogamous homosexuals. The article you quoted does not say that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i am saying YOU CANNOT FIND EVEN ONE person and provide any EMPIRICAL, OBJECTIVE evidence …. VERIFIABLE ….. that ANYBODY EVER …. was monogamous ….. and i do not care what “orientation” they THINK they are …………

            they are demanding evidence of God and His word ….. and to them the “evidence” is higher than the truth ….. HERE …. NOTHING is higher than the truth …… and to provide evidence of it …. says the evidence is higher ….. AND IT IS NOT ……. never has been ……..

            BUT … all of a sudden ….. the depravity filled lying MAN ….. makes a statement …. i am a monogamous homosexual ….. and they want to fawn over those words as truth …….. but Gods word is nothing ……

            SORRY …… that does not fly here ……….. they are not the AUTHORITY of their own DEPRAVITY …………..

          • Lily Of The Valley

            i am saying YOU CANNOT FIND EVEN ONE person and provide any EMPIRICAL,
            OBJECTIVE evidence …. VERIFIABLE ….. that ANYBODY EVER …. was
            monogamous ….. and i do not care what “orientation” they THINK they
            are …………

            Okay, then by the same token, you can’t say, as you have been, that NO homosexual people are monogamous. The only evidence of that that you have offered is the testimony of some website or magazine articles. That’s not any different or any better than what we are coming up with to argue otherwise.

            NOTHING is higher than the truth …… and to provide evidence of it…. says the evidence is higher ….. AND IT IS NOT ……. never has been

            I still don’t know what the heck you’re talking about. “Higher”? I’m not talking about anything being “higher” than anything else. Just don’t expect me, or anyone else, to believe what you say in the truth if you don’t even offer any evidence. Why should anyone?? How do you judge something, anything, as true without any evidence on which to base that judgement?

          • Lily Of The Valley

            Not too long ago, you said to me ” when a person chooses to become a homosexual ….. their mind becomes diminished in its capacity to properly reason.” And you’ve said a few different times how they’re reprobates, depraved, and probably a few other words I’ve forgotten you used.

            Do you at least understand how someone could come to the conclusion HarmNoOne has?????

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. but telling them the truth is not hate … if a doctor tells you you have cancer … is the doctor hateful for telling you …….. NOPE ………

          • HarmNoOne

            everyones still waiting for you to prove that its truth. but all you give us are opinions

          • Lily Of The Valley

            But you’re not “telling them the truth” in the first place, so “NOPE” right back at you. Like HarmNoOne said, all you’re doing is giving opinions, most of which you have no real evidence for.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … and because you are not a christian …. you do not seem to accept what SCRIPTURE says on the matter ….. SCRIPTURE is not any MANS opinion ……. and HERE it is the ONLY thing in AUTHORITY ……… and it certainly is not my opinion ……. and just because YOU (or he) do not accept the evidence ….. that does not mean it is not present and presented ….. it is not my job to convince anyone of the truth … if you cannot recognize it as such …… then you have far, far deeper problems than any man can fix ………
            and that is solely because most of you arguing here …… IMAGINE YOURSELF as the authority to sit in judgement of SCRIPTURE ….. and NONE of you are qualified …..

          • Lily Of The Valley

            and just because YOU (or he) do not accept the evidence

            Evidence?? Now you’re talking about evidence?? I thought you just told me evidence is not required.

          • Charles des Barres

            Well then how do you ever expect to prove that every gay or lesbian couple that ever existed is not monogamous? We all know there is no way you could have proof or evidence for such a statement unless you monitored everyone’s life at all times. When a straight couple married 50 years celebrates an anniversary no one says “I bet they weren’t faithful the entire time”, and just because the couple is homosexual here’s you insisting they weren’t. It doesn’t matter how many one-sided stories or studies you post, and yes, many gay men have a higher incidence of STDs because of promiscuity, but there are lots of gay men who want what everyone wants which is to have a single partner to be dedicated to.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i cannot prove that a heterosexual couple is ….. and neither can you …. and that is the point …. all you have is a person saying they were ….. cannot be proven …… and ALL MEN lie ………

          • Charles des Barres

            So your original statement is worthless then, and you should retract it. If you can’t prove a couple ISN’T monogamous, what you have is called an opinion.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and i never said anything different ….. i made no claim for heterosexuals being monogamous ….. nothing to retract …….. it is JUST AN OPINION that we cannot prove …..

          • Charles des Barres

            You said homosexuals are not monogamous and you said it without a single shred of proof.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the proof is in scripture which as the truth you reject ……. so what else is new ………

          • Charles des Barres

            Scripture says ZERO about it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Romans 1 ………. Matthew 19 ……. 1 Corinthians 6:9 …….. says plenty ……

          • Charles des Barres

            Not. One. Single. Word.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Your refusal to acknowledge the truth …… does not negate or alter the truth ………..

          • Charles des Barres

            If you make up crap, it isn’t truth. Lesson one.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ok … so all you have to do is PROVE …. since you are the one into PROOF …… that i did ……

            Lesson Two ……

          • Charles des Barres

            You have the burden of proof. I am the second one having to explain that to you so far. Don’t just expect people to take you at your word when you make wild unsupportable claims with no evidence.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … yours is the claim about me lying ……. so YOUR BURDEN …….. and while you are at it ….. prove that anyone EVER has been monogamous (with EVIDENCE) …. you cannot …..

          • Charles des Barres

            Your claim.
            Your burden.

            See how it works? You made the original claim. Go first.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there is no proof of a negative …. YOU claim the POSITIVE ASSERTION homo-monogamy exists ….. it is YOUR CLAIM ….. all i hear is crickets and unsupportable assertions from you …..

          • Charles des Barres

            When you have countless examples of homosexual couples with years and years of longevity under their belts, there’s all the proof you need.

            And if you want to scream that that’s not proof of monogamy, then I want you to tell me how you prove monogamy among straight couples.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “When you have countless examples of homosexual couples with years and years of longevity under their belts, there’s all the proof you need.”

            NOPE …. that is all the “proof” YOU need ….. and it is not proof ….. it is HEARSAY …. and not objective evidence …….

          • Charles des Barres

            Well if it’s hearsay for homosexuals, then it must also be hearsay for heterosexuals. Right?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            BINGO …..

          • Charles des Barres

            Then you have no business making statements like that, and you should retract it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it was YOUR claim ……..

          • Charles des Barres

            You made the very first claim in this thread, before I even started to reply to you, that gay monogamy is a myth. Your claim. All yours. And no one has ever made such a claim before.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “then I want you to tell me how you prove monogamy among straight couples.”

            and i have ALREADY stated …. you CANNOT ……….

          • Charles des Barres

            Then if you can’t prove it either way, you should not be making statements about it. If you can’t know whether any or every person is 100% faithful, don’t try to say that homosexuals aren’t AS THOUGH YOU KNOW FOR SURE, because you don’t. And you just admitted that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Then if you can’t prove it either way, you should not be making statements about it.”

            so … YOU were the one making statements about it ….. so … maybe … YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE ………… and quit trying to make depravity a virtue by trying to attach it to a virtue …. THAT YOU CANNOT PROVE …………

          • Charles des Barres

            You started it. Don’t show up here and tell people that gay monogamy is a myth when you can’t prove it and there is no way to prove it. You are the architect of your own misery.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE …. YOU claimed homo-monogagy … not me …. YOUR POSITIVE ASSERTION it exists …. and YOU have no way to prove it …….

          • Charles des Barres

            So if there is no way to prove that people are 100% monogamous, gay OR straight, why did you make the claim that gay monogamy is a myth?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Don’t just expect people to take you at your word when you make wild unsupportable claims with no evidence.”

            the evidence is scripture …. you have the scriptures …. you reject scripture … you reject truth …….. it is supportable …. you do not like it ….. i do not care if you do not like it ………YOUR PROBLEM ….. not mine ………

          • Charles des Barres

            This issue is not, nor could it ever be, in scripture. My feelings about scripture are irrelevant. You’re trying to use scripture to make it say something it is silent about.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is not silent …. and you are not a COMPETENT judge of it ……… NOR are you an authority to say what it does say and what it does not ……….

          • Charles des Barres

            What year did homosexual marriage begin?
            What year was the Bible written?

            Do the math, Amos, it’s not hard.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “you are not a COMPETENT judge of it ……… NOR are you an authority to say what it says and does not say …..

          • Charles des Barres

            If you can’t answer my question, just say so.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there is a passage in scripture …. “Thou shalt not test the Lord thy God” …. you want me to put God on trial with YOU as the judge ….. and again ….. YOU ARE NOT COMPETENT to do so …… YOU are not a COMPETENT judge of God OR scripture …….. you have NO AUTHORITY to judge it or DEMAND it be put before you as judge ………

          • Charles des Barres

            So you can’t answer the question. Fine.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are not the judge in this matter …….

          • Charles des Barres

            I can very easily judge that you avoided the question.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            your claim is that i lied …. your CLAIM ….. your proof ……….

          • Charles des Barres

            Gay marriage exists. Proof: gay people are permitted to get married in many places.
            Gay monogamy exists. Proof: gay and lesbian couples with significant anniversaries.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            homomirage exists ….. it is a MIRAGE ….. not a marriage ……

          • Charles des Barres

            Nice opinion, too bad it counts for nothing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            back at cha sport ………..

          • Charles des Barres

            When the law backs your opinion, it counts for something. My group.
            When the law doesn’t back your opinion, you have nothing. Your group.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “When the law backs your opinion, it counts for something. My group.”

            when the law backed SLAVERY in the united States …. it counts for something ….. YOUR GROUP ….. when the law backed the EXTERMINATION OF JEWS ….. it counts for something …. YOUR GROUP ……. when the law backs homomirage and the DESTRUCTION OF SOCIETY ….. it counts for something …… YOUR GROUP ……. committed to the death of all ….. YOUR GROUP …….

            my group ….. when the law VIOLATES Gods LAW and MORALITY ….. it is NULL AND VOID ………. again …. my group …….

          • Charles des Barres

            The law can be wrong…slavery was an act of abuse.
            The law isn’t wrong in this case because gay marriage is not an act of abuse.

  • Kaz

    If you play,
    you pay.
    People who behave themselves don’t get STDs.