Little Girl Screaming ‘Shut Up’ at Street Preacher in ‘Witch City’ Goes Viral

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SALEM, Mass. – A video showing a little girl with pigtails screaming at a street preacher to ‘shut up’ as she relentlessly mocked him and his message of redemption through Jesus Christ has gone viral.

The video posted on Live Leak, which has been viewed more than 250,000 times, shows a child approaching Austin Coppock, who had been preaching on Salem’s busy Essex Street pedestrian mall during the city’s annual Halloween celebration.

Salem, which is also known as “The Witch City” and where police uniforms and patrol cars are even marked with the slogan and an image of a witch on a broom, hosts an annual event attracting tens of thousands of people to the city streets. This year police estimated upwards of nearly 100,000 people visiting the city for the annual celebration.

The city was the location of the Salem Witch Trials of 1692 and has a long history of witchcraft and paganism that continues to this day. Because of Salem’s roots, the city hosts the month-long celebration called “Haunted Happenings,” which includes a costume parade, witch-centered dramas, psychic readings, public fairs and carnivals. A number of occult shops are especially visible during the month of October and the mockery of Christianity is commonplace within the city as some festival-goers dress in blasphemous costumes, mocking Jesus Christ and His crucifixion.

The event also attracts some local Christians and others from different parts of the country who seek to reach out to the lost through distributing gospel tracts, engaging in one-on-one discussion and publicly preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In the viral video, recorded days before Halloween, the unidentified little girl with her hands tucked at her sides approached the preacher, leaned in and went on an unrelenting diatribe demanding that the young preacher “shut up,” stating that his “pie hole should be quiet” and yelling “nobody wants to hear you!”

Coppock, from Dalton, Georgia, continued to calmly proclaim to passersby to turn from sin and to turn to God through Jesus Christ. Upon the mentioning of the Lord, the unruly child began to mock the name of Jesus. Despite the girl’s repeated attempts to disrupt him, Coppock remained unfazed and continued preaching.

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Coppock told Christian News Network that the Lord saved him two years ago after heading down a dark road in rejection of Christ and His Church. After being born again, he said that he knew “without a doubt” that God led him to Salem to preach to the thousands of Halloween revelers in the hope that some would come to repentance and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.

“The message the Lord allowed me to preach throughout the night was about the rich young ruler as he ran to Jesus’ feet, asking what he must do to inherit eternal life,” he explained. “Jesus goes on telling the rich man, ‘Thou knowest the commandments, do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, etc.’ The man says, ‘I have kept all these from my youth up,’ and then Jesus deals with the man’s sin problem, which is the love of money and riches.”

“Jesus says, ‘One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.’ Then the rich man went away grieved in his heart for he had great possessions,” Coppock continued. “So, I preached this, and then saying, ‘What sin is keeping you from taking up the cross and following Jesus?’ Maybe it is the sin of stealing, adultery, fornication, covetousness or idolatry.”

He said that the mother of the girl who yelled at him to “shut up” was “standing in the background, laughing and smiling as if she was proud her child was mocking” Christianity.

“The message I was preaching as the little girl walked up to me was, ‘Prepare to meet thy God and repent before it is too late’—seeing our sin and turning from it,” Coppock stated. “I also spoke about Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man loved his worldly treasures and pleasures too much to turn to God and in Hell he lifted up his eyes being in torments. So I asked, ‘What sin do you love so much? What sin is keeping you from Heaven?'”

He said that he did not know why the cameraman was recording, nor his motives in posting the video online.

“He records us every time we go out to preach, only posting up certain sections of his recordings such as this video,” Coppock noted.

He told Christian News Network that he attempted to speak to the girl and her mother, and did the following night when she came back and asked, “Do you remember me?”

Salem, however, is no stranger to targeting street preachers, which is seen as a threat to the city’s annual celebration of death and darkness.

Last year, Phil Wyman, who refers to himself as a “spiritual adventurer” and “modern mystic” and runs the annual Halloween event’s entertainment, along with a “confessional booth” and “dream interpretation” tent, targeted the street preachers. During an interview on “Live From the Bay,” Wyman explained that it is his custom to send men dressed in monk costumes to chastise street preachers and put distance between them and the area witches. Wyman was expelled several years ago from the “International Church of the Foursquare Gospel” for forming too close of relationships to the area witches.

Immediately following last year’s Halloween festival, local revelers demanded that city officials work to prevent the street preaching by cutting off their amplification so as to not to be heard above the din of all the noise and commotion. The city council did pass an ordinance banning its use during certain day hours, but realized an outright ban would also free speech rights for all, including the entertainers and musicians that are also in town for the event.

The bizarre and anti-Christian behavior isn’t limited to the city’s Halloween festival, however.

Less than three weeks before Halloween this year, police arrested Brian Thomas Bennett of Beverly, Mass. after stunned onlookers watched him dig up a mid-1700’s historic grave in broad daylight. Bennett was stopped just after uncovering the top of what police believed to be a crypt and was ultimately charged with desecrating a place of burial and disorderly conduct. He was also wanted on an outstanding warrant.

Salem Mayor Kimberly Driscoll also recently cut the city’s contract with Gordon College in managing Old Town Hall because of the college’s behavioral standards policy that prohibits staff and students from engaging in homosexual behavior. The policy likewise forbids fornication, drunkenness, profanity, blasphemy, lying and other behaviors that are contrary to biblical law.

“I hope you realize how hurtful and offensive these ‘behavioral standards’ are to members of the greater Salem LGBT community, some of whom are Gordon alumni, staff and/or students,” Driscoll wrote in a letter condemning the school.

As for Coppock, he says he will keep preaching the message of repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, His death, burial and resurrection as the Lord directs him.

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand! Prepare to meet thy God! There is deliverance from sin in the perfect blood of Jesus Christ. Forsake sin, deny this flesh and take up the cross and follow the Lord. … Jesus Christ [is] the only way [and is] my and your only hope.”


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  • Demopublicrat

    I wonder who put her up to that?

    • Tim Raynor

      Obama.

  • pjwung

    Sad for this child and those who have planted the seeds of destruction within this young child. “For those who have corrupted the little children it would have been better that they had never been born.” Very, very sad for this little girl at such a tender age!

    • lorasinger

      Yeah, her parents wanted her to play the part of the heckler because the real ones were out celebrating the event. You’re right. It is sad.

  • Guest

    possessed little terd

  • Anita Johnston

    Demonic possession? I definitely do NOT see Satanism behind every anti-Christian activity, but this is eerie.

    • William Mazeo

      “anti-Christian activity” is clear enough. If you aren’t with Christ you are with the “other side” no matter how good the person is or seem to be. The Bible is very clear about it.

      • Lauren

        Unicorns are real. The Bible is clear about that also. Maybe we shouldn’t be taking too much leverage to what the bible has to say.

        • Spnbrm

          That comes the translation from Latin, Which is a rhinoceros.
          Rhinoceros Unicornis.

          • Lauren

            That’s nice except it’s in Hebrew, not Latin. reym. Either way, the bible talks about satyrs, dragons, and that we have zebras because a guy had his horses screw in front of rods he planted.

          • Matthew46

            You forgot the fabricus at the end. Or is it fabricum?

        • William Mazeo

          I believe everything the Bible says Lauren. Let’s do this: when Jesus come back I’m going to ask Him to show one of these to me and I’ll show you too. But that will be possible only if you do as me and start living for Him, if you do that I’ll be able to show you, otherwise I can’t as we won’t be in the same place. God bless you. Hope to meet you there 🙂

          • Lauren

            Let’s do this, call me when he you have something to show. Until then, hold your breath.

          • William Mazeo

            No doubt I’ll have something to show. I have now: God’s salvation, He loves you and He wants you to be his daughter. 🙂
            The rest I can show you later when Jesus come to take us. But as I said if you aren’t on the same side as me I won’t be able to show you. So if you want me to call you when I have something to show you gotta join Jesus side. It’s your choice, you are the one wanting to see things 😉

          • Lauren

            Ummm, you can’t show that there exists a god, let alone salvation from this god, nor his emotions towards me. At least you admit can’t can’t show anything else unless (not until) this deity magically appears. And it’s not a choice, because there is no proof there is a side for me to join other than your telling me to do so. It’s like me saying to you, you have to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s before i can show you his meatballs. And IF this god exists, then he created me, and he created my brain, which can’t believe in something without evidence, and so can’t believe in him so it is not my choice. And if I were to simply claim I do just to see this evidence which you can’t show me until I have (as if that would hold up in court “yes jury, we have the smoking gun but you can’t see it until you convict the defendant guilty, LOL) then this omnipotent god would know I am not for real, unless he is stupid (along with being a mass murdering asshole). Sorry but innocent until proven guilty. I’m not going to believe something until there is reason to believe. And you clearly have nothing to present.

          • Lauren

            BTW, I find it very ironic that you have a South Park meme, which is a show written by two guys that constantly make fun of religion and even wrote a song that sing “Fuck god in the ass mouth and cunt” (hasa diga eebowai). Just saying.

          • William Mazeo

            I already said everything I had to and how you can get all your questions answered, nothing to discuss if you don’t want to follow this way. You already heard quite a lot about God’s love and seem to have rejected it. But there is still time for you to call His name and be saved, just don’t know till when.
            My avatar I made long ago (many years) in a site I can’t remember now, it is based on a real pic of me (because I don’t like to take pics xD), I have nothing to with South Partk, I think I watched half of an epised and didn’t really like it, was one about NASCAR. 🙂

          • Lauren

            I don’t have any questions, so what are you talking about? You made a claim, and I said prove it, and you said, I can only prove it you believe me first. Haha, no that’s not how logical people work. As for “god’s love” all I have heard are you ridiculous claims (and I see you conveniently seem to not mention the god of the bibles wrath and murder sprees). I reject all claims about your god, until you can prove your god exists. Just like I am sure you dismiss the claim that Thor killed all the Ice Giants (I don’t see any ice giants, so Thor must be real). As for your avatar, you should know then, that it is based off of South Park and they mock your god…alot. =)

          • Nan

            With regard to the Bible, the Old Testament was His covenant with the Jews; Jesus came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it, so the wrath of God in the old testament is no longer in force and has been replaced with the New Covenant He made when He sent His only-begotten son to die for our sins. He said that the most important commandment is to love God and to love thy neighbor as thyself, which isn’t as easy as it sounds.

          • Lauren

            Riiiiiiiight. So then please explain the idea of Apocalypse and why we should be afraid.

            And then please provide some proof that Jesus existed.

          • Nan

            That I can’t help you with as I don’t understand the Apocalypsel it has do to with end times but I don’t need to worry about that, I have too much going on from day to day.

            If I showed you the shroud of Turin you wouldn’t believe it to be Christ’s burial cloth.

          • Lauren

            Well that sounded like a cop out. You claim your god has no more wrath yet you acknowledge that there is to be a forthcoming wrathful event, but apparently you don’t need to worry about it. Hmmmmm. Well, at least you are noble enough to admit you don’t understand it instead of making up some answer as some people might try to do. I applaud you for that. But if you can’t understand that, how can you claim to understand everything else?

            As for the shroud of Turin, you may want to investigate it a little more. Here, I’ll help. The first mention of the shroud
            comes from a treatise (written or dictated) by Geoffroi de Charny in 1356 and who claims to have owned the cloth (see The Book of Chivalry of Geoffroi De Charny). Later, in the 16th century, it suddenly appeared in a cathedral in Turin, Italy. (Note that thousands of claimed Jesus relics appeared in cathedrals throughout Europe, including the wood from the cross, chalices, blood of Jesus, etc. These artifacts proved
            popular and served as a prosperous commercial device which filled the money offers of the churches.)

            Experts around the world consider the 14-foot-long linen sheet, which has remained in a cathedral in Turin since
            1578, a forgery because of carbon-dating tests performed in 1988. Three different independent radiocarbon dating laboratories in Zurich, Oxford and the University of Arizona yielded a date range of 1260-1390 C.E. (consistent with the time period of Charny’s claimed ownership). Joe Zias of Hebrew University of Jerusalem calls the shroud indisputably a fake. “Not only is it a forgery, but it’s a bad forgery.” The shroud actually depicts a man whose front measures 2 inches taller than his back and whose elongated hands and arms would indicate that he had the affliction of gigantism if he actually lived. (Also read Joe Nickell’s, Inquest On The Shroud Of Turin: Latest Scientific Findings). Let me repeat that, according to the shroud, Jesus was taller in front than he is in back. Now that is quite a feat.

            Walter C. McCrone, et al, (see Judgment Day for the Shroud of Turin) discovered red ochre (a pigment found in earth and widely used in Italy during the Middle Ages) on the cloth which formed the body image and vermilion paint, made from mercuric sulphide, used to represent blood. The actual scientific findings reveal the shroud as a 14th century painting, not a two-thousand year-old cloth with Christ’s image. Revealingly, no Biblical scholar or scientist (with any credibility), cites the shroud of Turin as evidence for a historical Jesus.

          • Matthew46

            Especially since there were at least three others just like it and the Catholic church admits that.

          • Matthew46

            Jesus knew fully well that God abhors human sacrifice. Why would he disobey The Law?

          • Arentorea

            It doesn’t matter how much evidence there is, you don’t want to believe in God. The truth is, God loves you. He died for you. Everything you’ve ever done wrong, all of those horrible thoughts you’ve had that you’ve been too embarrassed to share with others, all of the horrid things you’ve said that have hurt others and murdered their character, all of those moments you want to keep hidden away so others can’t see, Christ died for it all. (And I know you’ve done horrible things because I have too, along with every other person on this planet.) He died the death you and I both deserve because of how much he loves us. And simply by believing that he died for you everything you’ve ever done wrong will be forgiven, wiped clean, and you will be declared righteous simply for believing and nothing more.

          • Lauren

            Excuse you, but you don’t know me, so don’t go making baseless claims about my wants or how I would react in a hypothetical situation. No evidence has been presented. Here or ever. Other than the bible. Which is circular reasoning. Which is a logical fallacy.

            “The truth is, God loves you.” Prove it
            “He died for you.” Prove it

            “Christ died for it all.” Even if that was true, I am an adult. I don’t need someone to take responsibility for my actions. Apparently you do.

            ” He died the death you and I both deserve because of how much he loves us.” Except for non-believers, they don’t inflate his ego. For them he created a pit of eternal pain and suffering. LOL. Kings are less pious.

            “wiped clean, and you will be declared righteous simply for believing and nothing more.” ahhh, so heaven is full of murderers, rapists and pedophiles. No thank you. Have fun with that. Oh, yeah, PROVE IT

          • Nan

            It isn’t that Christ takes responsibility for your actions; you have free will. It is your choice to turn toward God or away from God. The pain and suffering the non-believers inflict on themselves is the absence of God.

            When we confess our sins to a priest and atone for our sins with our penance, they are gone forever. Some will repent of their sins, others won’t. Their choice.

            Go to Adoration at a Catholic Church near you. If He isn’t there, you won’t see Him. I dare y ou.

          • Lauren

            Sorry, but there is no free will in the context of Christianity. You can’t promise reward or threaten punishment and call it free will. It’s merely slavery. In the context of Deism, free will exists.

            As for pain and suffering, you think that everyone that doesn’t believe in YOUR god lives a life of pain and suffering? Whatever! As if Christians are living the life of complete happiness and serenity *rolls eyes*.

            “When we confess our sins to a priest and atone for our sins with our penance, they are gone forever.” And that is what makes your particular religion dangerous. You think this life is nothing but a stepping stone and nothing really matters. You can do atrocity after atrocity, but come Sunday, you think it’s all forgotten.

            And the “dare” as if you think I have never stepping into a church before is nothing more than the logical fallacy of shifting the burden of proof.

          • Nan

            Nobody promised us happiness on earth. Heaven is our goal and we live our lives as best we can to attain it. If you look at Catholic doctrine there’s nothing that encourages people to commit atrocities; we’re encouraged to follow Christ, to go to Mass, to do good for others. Nothing is forgotten until it’s confessed. It is your twisted view that we think committing atrocities is just fine because we can confess them; that, too is a sin, presumption, so no.

            I never said you hadn’t stepped into a church before. I merely suggested spending time with Christ in the Holy Eucharist as a way for you to meet Him.

          • Lauren

            “Nobody promised us happiness on earth.” We agree on that.

            “Heaven is our goal” Well, no. You first have to prove heaven exists.

            “If you look at Catholic doctrine there’s nothing that encourages people to commit atrocities” The bible tells to plunder and murder non-believers and to only keep the virgin women as slaves. It says to kill witches, hence the Salem murders. It condones slavery, hence the first slave ship being named the Good ship Jesus. It says women are to be subservient to men hence the long period of time that women were not equal to men. It also teaches that women are not to be trusted and are the reason for all of mans sufferings. It says to stone unruly children to death. It says that divorce is not possible unless infidelity, by the woman at which she is to be stoned to death.

            “Nothing is forgotten until it’s confessed.” Go tell that to loved ones of murder/rape victims.

            “presumption” Well then how can you presume to know anything about your god?

            ” It is your twisted view that we think committing atrocities is just fine because we can confess them” Ummmm, that’s just what you said. That it is forgotten once confessed. Clean slate. Make up your mind

            “I merely suggested spending time with Christ in the Holy Eucharist as a way for you to meet Him.” LOL. Ohhhh, so I just went to the wrong church. More “presumptions” in that you think I have only stepped into a Catholic church. I have gone to many churches, synagogues, temples and even gone to mosques. I even got to go into a Mormon temple, but I wasn’t aloud into the mass area, it was quite cryptic. See I like to learn about things. I investigate. I have found nothing for any god. But that still doesn’t respond to the fact that you are shifting the burden of proof, a logical fallacy. But if you’d like, this weekend I will go to a Eucharist church. I’ll report back Monday.

          • Nan

            Nobody promised us happiness on earth. Heaven is our goal and we live our lives as best we can to attain it. If you look at Catholic doctrine there’s nothing that encourages people to commit atrocities; we’re encouraged to follow Christ, to go to Mass, to do good for others. Nothing is forgotten until it’s confessed. It is your twisted view that we think committing atrocities is just fine because we can confess them; that, too is a sin, presumption, so no.

            I never said you hadn’t stepped into a church before. I merely suggested spending time with Christ in the Holy Eucharist as a way for you to meet Him.

          • Arentorea

            Yes, Heaven is full of sinners like you and me. It only takes ONE sin to condemn you to Hell, and your thoughts, words, and actions all count as sins. If you look at someone with lust it’s the exact same thing as committing adultery with them. If you think a murderous thought it’s the same as murdering them physically. If you say you’re perfect then you’re a liar, and don’t worry, there are even liars are in Heaven.

            The reality is Jesus claimed to be God in human flesh. Either he was a liar, he was a lunatic, or he really was who he claimed to be. If you want to prove Christianity false then you have to find the bones of Jesus Christ. So far they’ve been missing for over 2000 years.

            I should also clear up a few things for you:

            1. The Bible is written over the course of thousands of years by different people. It’s not a book, it’s a library full of historical accounts.

            2. Jesus fulfilled all 353 prophecies foretold about him in the Torah, or the Old Testament. From where he would be born, to the manner of his death, to how many pieces of silver he would be betrayed for.

            3. There is plenty of archeological evidence to support the historical accounts both in the Torah/Old Testament and the New Testament. For example, Mount Sinai has been found in Saudi Arabia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mB5Aw14e4M

            Again, it doesn’t matter how much evidence is given to you, you hate God by nature as I once did, and you want to be your own God. He died even for this hatred you have against him because he loves you.

          • Lauren

            “It only takes ONE sin to condemn you to Hell, and your thoughts, words, and actions all count as sins.” Yeah yeah, blah blah blah.

            ” If you think a murderous thought it’s the same as murdering them physically.” Umm, no it isn’t.

            “The reality is Jesus claimed to be God in human flesh.” The REALITY is that there is no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that there was a historical Jesus. Harry Potter claiming to be the chosen on has the same clout as the bible saying the character in it claiming to be the son of god.

            ” If you want to prove Christianity false then you have to find the bones of Jesus Christ.” LMFAO. Well, then I guess to prove Hinduism, you have to find the bones of Vishnu. Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? If he doesn’t/never exist(ed) then of course you won’t find any bones.

            #1 “it’s a library full of historical accounts.” No it isn’t. In fact there are many accounts in the bible that there is no record of ANYWHERE other than the bible. That would be considered circular reasoning. A logical fallacy. According to Luke 23:44-45,there occurred “about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour, and the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.” Yet not a single mention of such a three hour ecliptic event got recorded by anyone, including the astronomers and astrologers, anywhere in the world, including Pliny the Elder and Seneca who both recorded
            eclipses from other dates. Note also that, for obvious reasons, solar eclipses can’t occur during a full moon (passovers always occur during full moons), Nor does a single contemporary person write about the earthquake
            described in Matthew 27:51-54 where the earth shook, rocks ripped apart (rent), and graves opened. Matthew 2 describes Herod and all of Jerusalem as troubled by the worship of the infant Jesus. Herod then had all of the children of Bethlehem slain. If such extraordinary infanticides of this magnitude had occurred, why didn’t anyone write about it?

            #2. No. Religious people who were expecting a messiah claimed that happened. Just before and during the first century, the Jews had prophesied about an upcoming Messiah based on Jewish scripture. Their beliefs influenced
            many of their followers. We know that powerful beliefs can create self-fulfilling prophesies, and surely this proved just as true in ancient times. It served as a popular dream expressed in Hebrew Scripture for the promise of an “end-time” with a savior to lead them to the promised land. Indeed, Roman records show executions of several would-be Messiahs, (but not a single record mentions a Jesus). Many ancients believed that there could come a final war against
            the “Sons of Darkness”– the Romans.

            #3 – Although the New Testament mentions various cities, geological sites, kings and people that existed or lived during
            the alleged life of Jesus, these descriptions cannot serve as evidence for the existence of Jesus anymore than works of fiction that include recognizable locations, and make mention of actual people. Homer’s Odyssey, for example, describes
            the travels of Odysseus throughout the Greek islands. The epic describes, in detail, many locations that existed in history. But should we take Odysseus, the Greek gods and goddesses, one-eyed giants and monsters as literal fact
            simply because the story depicts geographic locations accurately? Of course not. The authors of mythical stories, fictions, and novels almost always use familiar landmarks as placements for their stories. The authors of the Greek tragedies not only put their stories in plausible settings as happening in the real world but their supernatural characters took on the desires, flaws and failures of mortal human beings. Consider that fictions such as King Kong, Superman,
            and Star Trek include recognizable cities, planets, and landmarks, with their protagonists and antagonists miming human emotions. Likewise, just because the Gospels
            mention cities and locations in Judea, and known historical people, with Jesus behaving like an actual human being (with the added dimension of supernatural curses, miracles, etc.) but this says nothing about the actuality of the characters
            portrayed in the stories.

            “you hate God by nature” That makes no sense. One can’t hate someone they don’t believe to exist. It’s like me telling you you hate Thor for getting rid of all the ice giants. I wonder, do you only say this to atheists, or to anyone that doesn’t
            believe in your god? Would you also tell a Buddhist that he hates god
            by nature? Because Buddhists are atheists. They don’t have a deity. How about Hindus? Are they also made at your god? How about people living in the Amazon and have never met a Christian and don’t know of your god. Are they also mad at him? Does that mean that you are mad at other peoples gods? Like Hindu gods or the Muslim god (which is really just your god) or Pagan gods? If no, then why am I the only one that is mad at your god?

            “and you want to be your own God.” I don’t believe gods exists. Let alone human gods. Yet another ridiculous and might I add unoriginal statement. The church has indoctrinated you well. I especially like the I was an “atheist” too. I have talked with hundreds of people and they all seem to claim that. How ironic.

            “He died even for this hatred you have against him because he loves you.” Prove he exists. Then proved he lived as a human. Then prove he died. And then explain why if he loves me, he puts a condition on me and threatens me with eternal torture. I had a friend who had an abusive boyfriend. Your god sounds like that jerk.

          • Arentorea

            It’s so sad that you refuse to even look at the evidence there is before you. It clearly doesn’t matter because you are your own god and you are angry at Jesus Christ. In fact, you’re so angry that you refuse to be open minded and refuse to dig for the truth by examining all the evidence there is for the historical Jesus of Nazareth. The reality is, you must prove that Jesus Christ did not exist if you are to discount Christianity. Good luck with that.

            Just remember that death comes for us all, and if you ask for forgiveness and believe Christ died for everything you’ve ever done wrong and ever will do wrong, that you are forgiven and you will not burn for eternity.

            You’re right that I don’t know you, but you don’t know me either. What I do know is that you’re a human being with thoughts and feelings, that you have had both wonderful and terrible days, and that you have felt love, anger, joy, sorrow, remorse, and guilt just like every other human being who has ever lived. If I truly hated you I as a Christian would say nothing at all, but I don’t want anyone to burn for eternity. I wish you well. God bless.

          • Lauren

            Your Logical Fallacy is…..

            BURDEN OF PROOF

            You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove it.

            The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and it is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid nor give it any credence whatsoever.

            Example: Bertrand Russell declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and Mars, and because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.

            In other words, innocent until proven guilty. We don’t make defendants prove they didn’t commit a crime. We make the accusers (prosecution) prove the defendant did, beyond a reasonable doubt, commit the crime.

            You have presented no evidence. You have merely asserted claims and committed logical fallacies.

          • Arentorea

            I already told you there is nothing I can possibly show you or say that will convince you that Jesus exists because you are your own god and you hate Jesus Christ. If you truly don’t believe God exists then why do you hate Him so much and blame Him all your problems?

            I have nothing to loose, you do. If God did not exist then nothing will happen to any of us after death, but if God does exist then you are going to be damned for eternity simply because you don’t want to be forgiven for all the horrible thoughts, words, and actions you have committed and will commit during your whole existance. I can boast in my weakness because I know I’m not perfect and I know I need saving, and I have sinned much and God has forgiven me much. Anytime I start to get prideful I fail and it’s truly freeing to be humbled and know I am no better than anyone else.

            Since I have been loved and forgiven I can therefore love and forgive others. I wish I could do this perfectly, but I will strive to because I GET to not because I have to. Everything we have is a gift because we don’t deserve any of it.

            You’d better start trying to disprove Christianity because your eternal soul is at stake and mine is not. May God bless you.

          • Lauren

            Stop blaming me for your inability to present any evidence. If I was as stupid as you insinuate and wouldn’t accept undeniable evidence, then let me make a fool of myself. You have yet to present ANY evidence. As for your continued claim that I hate your imaginary friend (ridiculous concept). I DON”T. His followers I dislike at times. Voltaire once said “When you can convince people to believe absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities”. And I am sick of the atrocities committed by believers. Especially when there is no good reason to believe in the first place.

            Now moving on to Pascal’s Wager. The main problem with Pascal’s wager is that it suffers from the fallacy of bifurcation. It only calculates with two options when there are, in fact, at least four alternatives: The christian God and afterlife, some other god and afterlife, atheism with afterlife, and atheism without afterlife. Therefore Pascal’s wager is invalid as an argument.

            Because of the multitude of possible religions, if any faith is as likely as the other, the probability of the christian being right is P=1/n where n is the number of possible faiths. If we assume that there is an infinite amount of possible gods (i.e. ideas of gods), the probability of you being right is infinitely small. Because Pascal’s wager fails to tell us which god is likely to be the right one, you have a great probability that you picked the wrong religion and go to some other religion’s version of hell. This is referred to as the “avoiding the wrong hell problem” Have you investigated all possible gods? Heck have you even considered all 3000 versions of the Christian god that has been presented? Or are you the same denomination your parents raised you to be?

            Pascal’s wager is the product of the gain from a certain belief and the probability that it is the correct one (in Pascal’s reasoning 50-50, but as mentioned above the probability is much less.) such as Win=Gain*P. This leads us to the conclusion that we should pick the religion with the worst hell and the greatest heaven. In that case we should chose to
            worship the Invisible Pink Unicorns (IPU) because they have an infinite bad hell and an infinitely wonderful heaven, unless, of course we can show that the probability of the existence of an IPU is exactly zero, i.e. you can prove for certainty that they don’t exist. If it is only close to zero we still have
            infinite gain/loss since infinity times any positive value is still
            infinity.

            Pascal also made the incorrect statement that you would lose nothing from believing if you are wrong. This is not true either. Assume that you are wrong in being a theist. You will waste a lot of time and energy on going to church, praying and religious rituals. Imagine if all the energy that,throughout human history, had been wasted on such activities had been used to improve the world instead. Then maybe we would have had heaven here on earth instead. Imagine if all that energy had been used for science, arts and music. OK, there have been many Christians who have devoted their life to that, but imagine how wonderful things they would have been able to do if they hadn’t wasted their time on prayers and rituals. Then imagine what could have happened if religion didn’t kill all those they felt threatened by. Imagine what Pascal could have done for mathematics and physics if he hadn’t left science for God. Considering what religious belief has done to the world, it would be better if there was no religion. Religion is like a virus that changes people’s minds into dogmatic thinking, rule following, and blind faith, qualities which do no good for the well-being of mankind. Consider how many people who have been burned, mutilated and tortured in the name of religion. Wouldn’t it be better if we left the Dark Ages for once!?

            Again, I don’t have to disprove god. Are you incapable of understanding the burden of proof? I hope you aren’t a lawyer.

            May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you with his noodley appendage. Ramen!

          • Lauren

            Innocent until proven Guilty.

          • Arentorea

            There are only 2 religions in the world: One is the “Quid Pro-Quo” whereby you do good works and you will be blessed, (Either by God or karma), and the other is that you can do nothing to save yourself and that salvation is a free gift.

            If you don’t believe me then I’ll give you an example: Muslims have very strict rules they must abide by to reach Heaven. They must pray to Mecca three times a day, they must fast, woman must cover their whole bodies up, and the list goes on. What happens when they mess up? What if they don’t do everything they’re supposed to do perfectly? There’s no telling if they’ve done enough to reach Heaven. All they can do is hope that they’re good enough.

            You said earlier that you don’t believe Jesus Christ even existed. What’s funny is even the most liberal historian believes Jesus Christ existed. Here is a blog that goes into depth on the historical and archeological evidence for Jesus Christ.

            http://y-jesus.com

            If you want to know more about Christianity then I recommend listening to these podcasts: http://www.fightingforthefaith.com

            Also, I’m not sure if you’re aware of this scientific article written by people who claim to be Atheists or not, but they conducted a study that proves Atheists don’t exist:

            http://www.science20.com/writer_on_the_edge/blog/scientists_discover_that_atheists_might_not_exist_and_thats_not_a_joke-139982

            I’ll leave you to wrestle with these. God bless.

          • Lauren

            Not only is your claim wrong and ridiculous, that is merely categorizing religions. There are still thousands of religions within these crazy categories of yours.

            Correct, I don’t believe Jesus existed because there is no evidence he did. Since you can’t provide any, just offer up apologetic websites as responses, I guess I shall do the same. http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm

            “What’s funny is even the most liberal historian believes Jesus Christ existed.” Logical fallacies. Argumentum ad populum and Argument from authority. Biblical scholarship
            gets forced into a lower standard by the very sources they examine. A renowned Biblical scholar illustrated this clearly in an interview when asked about Biblical interpretation. David Noel Freeman (the General editor of the Anchor Bible Series and many other works) responded with:

            “We have to accept somewhat looser standards. In the legal profession, to convict the defendant of a crime, you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In civil cases, a preponderance of the evidence is sufficient. When dealing with the Bible or any ancient source, we have to loosen up a little; otherwise, we can’t really say anything.”
            -David Noel Freedman (in Bible Review magazine, Dec. 1993, p.34)

            The implications appear obvious. If one wishes to believe in a historical Jesus, he or she must accept this based on loose standards. Couple this with the fact that all of the claims
            come from hearsay, and we have a foundation made of sand, and a castle of information built of cards.

            “If you want to know more about Christianity then I recommend listening to these podcasts” I don’t want to learn more about your cult. I know enough. I want YOUR evidence written here by you for the existence of either your god or Jesus. Not links to 50 page websites.

            “I’m not sure if you’re aware of this scientific article written” #1, it is NOT a scientific article. It is an op-ed written by some guy in a “creativity” lab in Hong Kong. #2 – the article mostly points to pew researches where stupid people give their stupid opinions. This doesn’t point to any single peer reviewed scientific article/research. # – Here is a quote from this op-ed “Of course these findings do not prove that it is impossible to stop believing in God.” The article is mostly about how most people feel the need for karmic justice, afterlife with lost loved ones and inner monologues. I am not denying these feelings occur in people or even myself. That doesn’t make me a theist nor prove a god exists.

          • Arentorea

            You won’t even take the time to look or listen. That proves it all. You are your own god. I promise you will meet Jesus after you die, and I can only hope and pray that you will have a change of heart before then otherwise you will burn for eternity. I hope you have a long and wonderful life. God bless.

          • Lauren

            I have responded to you 6 times now. I have taken time and I have read your posts. And I have responded to them directly. You keep throwing logical fallacies at me. As for your websites, it would take me a week to go through every page on that site. We are having a direct conversation. Don’t blame me for refusing to go off on your wild goose chase. If there is something specific from the site you choose, copy paste it as your evidence and I will respond accordingly. I’m not going to go off on tangents that would make no sense here.

            Again, I don’t believe in ANY gods, so enough with this I think I am a god nonsense. A god is a supernatural being that is the creator of the universe and has moral authority. I don’t claim to have these.

            Your promise is worthless until you have proof.

            And if I am wrong, then good, because your god is a dick. I have moral superiority over your god and I bet you do to.

            FSM sauce you. Ramen!

          • Arentorea

            I keep saying you are your own god because you want to sit in the judgement seat and decided what is right and wrong for yourself. You ask for evidence and then you don’t take time to read through or listen to anything I give you even though you gave me a link in return and quotes without sources. That’s a double standard.

            I hope you remember that Christ died for you when you’re taking your last breaths on this Earth because if you believe even then you’ll go to Heaven. There is nothing more to discuss here. I won’t respond again. May God bless you by changing your heart so you’ll believe and be saved.

          • Lauren

            “you want to sit in the judgement seat and decided what is right and wrong for yourself.” Again, a ridiculous proclamation If I were to decide what was right and do that, then I would murder and steal, because that would be BEST for me. To take what I want and get rid of anyone in my way. Yet, I don’t do those things.

            “You ask for evidence and then you don’t take time to read through or listen to anything I give” You have given me NOTHING! All you give is claims that I must believe or else. That is not evidence! That is merely begging the question, yet another logical fallacy.

            “I give you even though you gave me a link in return and quotes without sources.” Yes, that was intentional to show how rediculous to just give me a website and expect me to respond to. I was intending for you to actually go to my site and respond. I was showing the audacity of your claiming you provided me with something as if now you have a leg to stand on and so responded just as ludicrously and facetiously claiming to now be on the same leg as you. And what quotes have I provided that I have not offered sources? I believe I posted 2 quotes and literally provided the source. One was Voltaire and one was David Freedman and for him I even gave you the page number you could find the quote. At this point I’m beginning to think you are a troll.

            “I hope you remember that Christ died for you” I hope you remember Thor got rid of all the Ice Giants for you and since you don’t believe in Thor, you will be going to his hell. See how ridiculous that sounds?

            ” I won’t respond again.” we’ll see

            “May God bless you by changing your heart so you’ll believe and be saved.” well, then it wouldn’t be free will now would it? Wink wink. And again, even if there was evidence there is a god, AND in the mathematically small chance it is YOUR god, that doesn’t mean the automatic response is for me to like/love this god. The god of the bible is an asshole. I would rather go to the hell of his own creation than go to his heaven where you have to have a lobotomy when you get there.

            Ba Ba, sheep. I don’t care what you believe, just make sure you don’t go taking away my or other people’s rights because you believe in fairy tales.

          • Matthew46

            I see it now. God so loved the world he gave his only son. God first created a son, his son who is not really a son because it is himself so that there are not two gods because logically a father and his son would make two and Christians need to describe their superstition as monotheist, so they can’t have two gods. Then he
            organizes that that ‘son’ is tortured and killed as a sacrifice to himself to appease himself and get himself to forgive the sins of the souls which he created and implanted into biological bodies. The son which is not really a son but is the god himself and does not really die because three days later he leaves his tomb and visits his disciples and is apparently according to legend
            still alive today. And after he came back to visit the
            disciples, he went up to heaven, because that’s a perfectly legitimate excuse for why no one can see him now. Yet the son a.k.a. the god gets credit for sacrificing himself (his son) to himself, therefore appeasing himself to forgive the sins of the souls he created. And sacrifice, what sacrifice? Isn’t Jesus alive and living with his father (himself?) in heaven and don’t you pray to him?

          • Jenni Lovsey

            Bet you think that the earth is only 6000 years old too. Try using some common sense instead of stupidity.

          • William Mazeo

            Yes, but I’ll have all my questions answered when Jesus come back since we’ll know Him as He knows us. Wanna have all answers too? Come live for Jesus with me 🙂

        • david ramseur

          Where in the Bible does it say that unicorns are real? You just made that up in a vain attempt to discredit the reliable and inerrant Word of God.

          • Lauren

            Oh, poor little David. Try reading the book before making yourself look foolish. Isaiah 34:7 Numbers 23:22 Deuteronomy 33:17 Job 39:9 Psalm 29:6. Try reading this book while you’re at it. Learn something. http://www.awkwardmomentsbible.com/

          • david ramseur

            In every occurrence of the English word, “unicorn,” it is the same Hebrew word ראם reym.
            רְאֵם [râʾem, râʾeym, reym, rem /reh·ame/] n m. From 7213; TWOT 2096a; GK 8028; Nine occurrences; AV translates as “unicorn” nine times. 1 probably the great aurochs or wild bulls which are now extinct. The exact meaning is not known. 1
            reem or רְאֵים reem or רֵים rem or רֵם rem (910b); from 7213; a wild ox:–wild ox(7), wild oxen(2).2
            8028 רְאֵם (reʾēm): n.masc.; ≡ Str 7214; TWOT 2096a–1. LN 4.1–4.37 (most versions) wild ox, aurochs, i.e., an extinct, long-horned, ancestor of the domestic cattle, Bos primigenius bojanus (Nu 23:22; 24:8; Dt 33:17; Job 39:9, 10; Ps 22:21 [EB 21]; 92:11 [EB 10]; Isa 34:7+), note: kjv, lxx, VULG. translate as a single-horned animal, such as rhinoceros or mysterious unicorn; 2. LN 4.1–4.37 unit: בֵּן רְאֵם (bēn reʾēm) adolescent wild ox, i.e., a non-domestic ox likely under two years old (Ps 29:6+)

        • Douglas

          Yes the Bible does mention unicorns multiple times. They are just as real as dinosaurs and have been documented many times throughout history. Much like dinosaurs, they are no longer around, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t exist.

          • Lauren

            Please, Douglas, show one source documenting unicorns. Where are the fossils for them like we have for dinosaurs?

          • Douglas

            I’m not sure if there are any fossils but I do know that mammal fossils can be often overlooked due to them not being as rare or interesting in comparison to dinosaurs. Old descriptions of unicorns also explain that the horn becomes very brittle once cut off, so it wouldn’t last long if the animal were dead.

            Check out ‘A description of the nature of four-footed beasts’ by Dr. John Johnston. It was written in the early 1600’s. If tough to read because it’s very old, but once you get the hand of it, it’s not so bad. Just remember, f is s. You can actually view it online, the part about unicorns start here:
            http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/HistSciTech/HistSciTech-idx?type=article&did=HistSciTech.Jonstonus.i0011&id=HistSciTech.Jonstonus&isize=M&pview=hide

            In that book it is written that there were dens on the side of the temple in Mecca where were kept two unicorns to show for their rarity. It is also written that one of the popes had paid 12,000 pieces of gold for a piece of the unicorn’s horn. There is also a lot of other great info about them in there.

            There are many other documentations regarding unicorns, from various regions of the world, which is why you know of them today. I assume that unicorns were wiped out out pretty early on and most of our knowledge of unicorns was probably lost during the late middle ages. If not for the stories and writings of our past, we would never have known of them today. That’s also why the Bible is great. I understand that you may disagree with it, but for some of us it’s an amazing book of truth and knowledge.

          • Lauren

            Ok. Lesson on evidence. It must be quantifiable and testable.

            The Historiae naturalis de quadrupetibus is nothing more than bad hearsay. The author never claims to be an eyewitness to unicorns or the griffin or the phoenix which are also in his book but not in the bible. He merely described mythical creatures that were believed at the time to exist (sort of like Josephus and Jesus!). If you read the second paragraph, (translated)
            “As for the description of the Unicorne, he is said to resemble in his whole body the Horse”. See that, “he is said to”. The author makes no claims to having seen a unicorn. He makes no claims to citing an eyewitness to a unicorn. Homers the Odyssey describes the cyclopes. That doesn’t mean cyclopes is real. Virgil and Plato talk about and describe Cerberus. That doesn’t mean they saw him, a three headed hellhound or that he is real.

            Sorry but there is not one instance of a confirmed finding of a unicorn, although there are many claims to have found just the horn, and as you stated, in the past some dopes paid a pretty penny. Hmmmmm, I wonder why someone would say it was from a unicorn…….Hey, I have water from the fountain of youth I wanna sell ya!

            Fountain of youth, Tales of such a fountain have been recounted across the world for thousands of years, appearing in writings by Herodotus (5th century BCE), the Alexander romance (3rd century CE), and the stories of Prester John (early Crusades, 11th/12th centuries CE).
            Stories of similar waters were also evidently prominent among the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean during the Age of Exploration (early 16th century), who spoke of the restorative powers of the water in the mythical land of Bimini.
            So based on your logic, that there are tales of unicorns throughout the world over long periods of time that we remember today, there must also be a fountain of youth.

            The bible says that rabbits chew cud. That is neither truth nor knowledge. It also states that a rape victim should be married to her rapist. It certainly is not great.

          • scupmonny

            Actually rabbits will rechew their own feces- as herbivore poop is essentially cud. That IS knowledge. And no, nowhere does the Bible say a rape victim should be married to her rapist. If a man violates a woman, he is obligated to pay a dowry( this would happen in any relationship) or marry her-but only at the consent of her and her family. This is actually a very civilized rule- it sure beats stoning the woman or selling her as a slave because she is damaged goods.Most cultures at that time had NO laws that were for the benefit of women.

          • Lauren

            Oy veh. Cud – partly digested food returned from the first stomach of ruminants to the mouth for further chewing. Poop is not cud. Dogs eat poop.

            Deuteronomy 22:28-29
            “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”

            See that, where it says she shall be his wife, and he cannot divorce her? He is to pay a dowry AND she is to be married to her. No where does it state it is a choice to have her marry the rapist or not. Oh, and let’s not forget the gem that says if a woman is raped in the town, and she doesn’t scream out, SHE is to be put to death. .

          • scupmonny

            Again , no. In the case of the woman and man in the city- it is a reference to adultery and they are BOTH put to death. Tough law, but if you play – you pay. Det. 22 is not in reference to a rape- you need to take it back to Hebrew translation and context. and Ex. 22:16 goes into better explanation on the rights of the family to decide whether or not to honor the offending man’s bride price. Det. 22 is actually meant to protect young women- the men are to be held accountable for their actions- sorry but non-virgins were not all that desired as marriage prospects and as a nomadic people your family connections and your ability to make them were very important. I apologize for over simplifying the rabbit thing- it is technically not poop- it does come from the hind end and it is necessary that they eat it- much like the secondary digestion of many ruminants– but the reason it was listed in the dietary restrictions is because hares do seem to chew their cud( an observation supposedly made by Aristotle as well) Also, domesticating and using hares as a main food source( it would be very easy to do) can be very detrimental to your health.

          • Nan

            Christianity doesn’t follow old testament teaching on the law. But nice try.

          • Lauren

            Ohhhh, well then I guess the 10 Commandments aren’t law anymore. And yet earlier you yourself said Jesus said he didn’t come to get rid of the law. Hmmm. Can’t have it both ways. I also guess since Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality, there is no reason to oppose same sex marriage. In fact, the bible reads that Jesus said it is best to be celibate and be only for god, but if you can’t control yourself, then you should get married. So Christians should be pushing for same sex marriage than to have gays live in sin. =)

          • Douglas

            No problem. I just wanted to give an answer to your question. I was not trying to debate you. There’s no need to attack and belittle me, my post, or Christianity. You are showing a huge lack of respect to many people here and it’s really unwarranted.

            Please take care.

          • Lauren

            Again, You made a proclamation. I said prove it. You have yet to do that. All you have presented was more books that wrote descriptions of myths people believed. You attempted to compare unicorns to dinosaurs so I asked why there is no remains of them like we have of dinosaurs. And as for the horn not keeping in tact, we have horns and ivory from triceratops and mammoths and stags and many other animals.

            Not sure how I “attacked” you. Sorry you think my not accepting your “evidence” is an attack. As for respect, I don’t have to respect Christianity.

          • Nan

            There are a lot of references in the New Testament to rulers of various places and historic events that occurred. There are also contemporaneous accounts of Jesus that occur outside the New Testament, so yes, He did exist.

          • Lauren

            Oh goodie. This is my favorite topic. Ok. Here we go.

            Although the New Testament mentions various cities, geological sites, kings and people that existed or lived during
            the alleged life of Jesus, these descriptions cannot serve as evidence for the existence of Jesus anymore than works of fiction that include recognizable locations, and make mention of actual people.

            Homer’s Odyssey, for example, describes the travels of Odysseus throughout the Greek islands. The epic describes,
            in detail, many locations that existed in history. But should we take Odysseus, the Greek gods and goddesses, one-eyed giants and monsters as literal fact simply because the story depicts geographic locations accurately? Of course
            not. The authors of mythical stories, fictions, and novels almost always use familiar landmarks as placements for their stories. The authors of the Greek tragedies not only put their stories in plausible settings as happening in the real world but their supernatural characters took on the desires, flaws and failures of mortal human beings. Consider that fictions such as King Kong, Superman, and Star Trek include recognizable cities, planets, and landmarks, with their protagonists and antagonists miming human emotions.

            If we have a coupling with historical people and locations, then we should also have some historical reference of a Jesus to these locations and people. But just the opposite proves the case. The Bible depicts Herod, the Ruler of Jewish Palestine under Rome as sending out men to search and kill the infant Jesus, yet nothing in history supports such a story. Pontius Pilate supposedly performed as judge in the trial and
            execution of Jesus, yet no Roman record mentions such a trial. The gospels portray a multitude of believers throughout the land spreading tales of a teacher, prophet, and healer, yet nobody in Jesus’ life time or years after, ever records such a human figure. The lack of a historical Jesus in the known historical record speaks for itself.

            Now, “as for contemporaneous accounts of Jesus that occur outside the New Testament,” Please name ONE. Because there isn’t any. There was not one mention of Jesus until 70 years after his supposed death by someone that could not have been an eyewitness (since he was born more than 3 decades after Jesus’ supposed death!), does not cite his “sources” and does not confirm his sources claims. I am of course talking about Josephus. But by all means, prove me wrong. Please provide one contemporary account of Jesus.

          • Nan

            That’s nice, but I was referring to other references to Christ, such as those of Tacitus and Josephus.

          • Lauren

            Ok. Maybe, well take that back, obviously, you don’t know what contemporary means. So lets start there.

            Contemporary – a person belonging to the same time or period with another or others.

            So now that we have that down….

            Tacitus – the Roman historian’s
            birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a “Christus” in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus’ mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and
            wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay accounts.

            So not a contemporary. And as stated in my previous post, Josephus the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus’ short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities)
            came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus’ birth in 37 C.E. (well after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus), puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore, even if his accounts about Jesus came from his hand, his information could only serve as hearsay.

            Also not a contemporary. Care to try again?

          • Matthew46

            Josephus is partial or wholly a later Christian forgery. Tacitus is hearsay, too far away in time to be an eye witness.

          • Matthew46

            Nothing from writers from his time, Nan. Just legends a hundred years later.

        • Mars Chatterton

          lol you see the word unicorn and the first image that comes to your mind are those fictional horse like animals you see in fairy tales. there are animals in real life that have 1 horn

          • Lauren

            Strawman! Logical fallacy. I NEVER said there has never been an animal on the planet with one horn. Be we aren’t talking about Narwhals or the Indian rhinoceros. But a UNICORN (from the Merriam Webster dictionary) is ” a mythical animal generally depicted
            with the body and head of a horse, the hind legs of a stag, the tail of a
            lion, and a single horn in the middle of the forehead.” But I like how you say fictional. I think William might disagree with you. ; -P

      • Jenni Lovsey

        Put your self rightious head back up you butt.

        • William Mazeo

          Jesus loves you too.

    • teppy

      thats because your blind simple as that

  • career desperado

    duct tape

    • Bolvon72

      As nice as it would be to duct tape these street preacher’s mouths, they do have their rights to blather on like that. Good thing this little girl exercised her right to shout it down.

  • Neiman

    It was said her mother was yelling “shut up” from the crowd, apparently loving her daughter’s anti-Christ hatred, which I suspect she taught her and encouraged her to do this. Sad, but it is sign of the evil times we are living in.

    • DreamingOfPan

      What is sad is what Christians did (& continue to do in other countries) to witches and so many others throughout history. Your religion has become one of hate, whether you stick your head in the sand about it or not. If someone wants to come to Christ, let them do it on their own time. The general public is sick to death of the constant preaching.

      • Bonnie

        How can they hear without a preacher ? It is God’s mercy to sinners that he is out there preaching. Looks like God chose the right man !

        • dawnrosanne

          Yes, amen! God is certainly using this willing vessel!

        • DreamingOfPan

          Anyone with half a brain can research different spiritual paths. Don’t need a middle man. Especially one from a religion that is derogatory towards women, LGBT people, and just about anyone else who isn’t “like them.” I’m sure you don’t need a history lesson, which btw, amuses me that you glossed over. For the record, I don’t hate anybody and feel that Christians have a right to practice their faith just like anyone else… as long as they don’t infringe on others rights or cause harm to others.

          • Yesterday987G

            You, Dreaming, are a perfect example of why people need to hear the gospel from true Christians. I do hope you do some research and learn the difference between organized religion and a relationship with the Creator.

          • DreamingOfPan

            And why is that? Hehe – I grew up Catholic, don’t need to do any research. What creator is that? I have a spiritual relationship already, don’t need anything else, but thanks.

          • Yesterday987G

            Grew up Catholic? Who would have guessed? (sarcasm online is not nearly as witty)

          • DreamingOfPan

            Yes, grew up Catholic, and am no longer Catholic. No sarcasm. You shouldn’t make assumptions.

          • Aza

            The issue I have with calling christians catholic is that the catholic church was established almost 300 years after the death of Christ. It was established by the Emperor Constantine who was smart and saw that he couldn’t keep on fighting the christians, so he makes the Catholic church where many occult believes was mixed into it. However, many christians saw that what the catholic church was establishing was anti biblical and didn’t become catholic. When Constantine saw that he would throw them to the Lions as if it were a game. You see, christians were being persecuted by the catholic church, because the catholic church was corrupt and did things using the name of God that is completely anti biblical. A christian is a Christ believer, and if you believe and Christ that you would want to live by what Christ established. That is why I say that Catholic church isn’t Christian, they are anti-biblical and were established a good time after Christians were around. The bible even talks about a whore who was dressed in purple and scarlet and was blasphemous, and the more you reed about her the more you noticed that women is the catholic church. So I agree with you, the catholic church is guilty of a lot of things that have been wrong, but if you go by history you would see that Christians existed long before that and agains what the catholic church has done. And if you don things against what Christ taught like the catholic church has done, than they cannot have a relationship with Christ and are not true christians thou they may call themselves that.

          • amy

            Wow I feel like I’m reading myself. I had to check to make sure your name was different than mine 😉 Very refreshing to see this. I have a blog called http://www.simplyseekingtruth.com if you ever want to check it out. I did an entire post on this subject. 🙂

          • Aza

            All glory be to God who gives us the knowledge and the understanding. But hey, amy, when I checked out your blog I realized that there may be an article that I would like to see but couldn’t find it there. You mentioned ““The Blog I’ve Been Too Scared to Share”” Do you think you would be able to send me a link to that?

          • Jack Rohde

            WOW I COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT BETTER, AWESOME

          • https://www.facebook.com/rinoabelle Belle Sevilla

            Amen! ^_^ well said aza! GOD bless you! – What Aza said is so true. I do believe our LORD will call our brothers and sisters who are yet to know HIM and draw near to HIM, like what HE did to me.Praise GOD for telling us the Truth, the Way and Life!

          • Aza

            Amen Belle, you are absolutely right. God is drawing people near to him, he wants and is going to do greats things! God bless you too!

          • Nan

            NIce revisionist history. Why do you hate the Church? And no, the Church does not hate women but rather elevated them. If you go by history you’ll see that Christ founded the Catholic Church and you’re a blasphemer.

          • Wantin9Inches .

            haha Constantine founded the catholic church dumb dumb not jesus Christ his kingdom is not of this earth read your bible.

          • Aza

            I simply told you what the history says. If you want to blindly believe what the catholic church says without any strong foundation that is up to you. I need more that what someone tells me, I need history, i need to go down to the truth. But obviously history isn’t enough for you than let’s go do to what the bible says. Hosea 4:6 says “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee” So it is important for us to seek the truth and the knowledge, found in both history and the bible, not something that is told to us with a weak foundation. I can’t get mad at you for listening to what you have been told, but I can tell you that you will be judged by God if you were told the truth and rejected it because you decided to not seek the truth. There was no proof that the catholic church was founded by Christ, so catholics desperately tried to somehow tie it down to somebody and then did the lie that the apostle Peter was the first pope. If you want to be fair, anything can be said about anyone once they are dead, but that doesn’t make it true. For the truth you have to have evidence, something that cannot be given on behalf of the catholic church in this matter. Tell me, if the apostle Peter founded the catholic, why didn’t he mention it at any time in the bible? As a mater of fact, why didn’t any of the apostles mention it in the bible at all? If Christ had founded it and Peter was the one who guided it, than they would have mentioned it the same way the mentioned many other churches in the bible like the Corinthians and Philippians church. But absolutely nothing was written about the catholic church. That is because it didn’t exist!! In Romans 5:15 it says that salvation is a gift given only through Christ.. John 3:16 says that God gave his only begotten son, so that who ever BELIEVES in him shall not parish but be saved. As you keep on reading the bible, it is clear that salvation is a GIFT! A gift by grace from CHRIST! So why does the catholic church have you do mass, indulgences and penance? If they don’t do anything, and people try to be saved by that because of the deceptions of the catholic church when the bible is clear that only through christ are we saved. No amount of money that you give to the catholic church will get you to purgatory because that is anti-biblical. The bible talks about a heaven and hell, and it says you can only get to heaven through Christ. If you want to talk about blasphemy, those things are blasphemy! I never said anything that can’t be proven by the bible and history, they are using lies that are completely against what the bible says. The catholic church and the pope can’t save people. I would love for you to prove to me where on the bible it says that. Even worse, the bible is clear to not worship any other gods, and the catholic church does non-stop idol worshiping! To the point that IF YOU READ THE BIBLE, Jesus never called Mary mother, he called her woman, because he knew that they will worship her as an idol and he didn’t want that. By calling her woman, he was making it clear to not see her as the mother of him as Christ and Lord rather as just a vessel that God used just like he uses many other people. No one should be worshiped but God, and doing differently is against the scriptures. I could go on and on how the catholic church repetedly contradicts the scriptures. And that is not the fault of the followers, rather of the leaders who are greedy for money and lead the followers the wrong way. Since the followers don’t read the bible and educate themselves, that being the only way of knowing the truth, they are bound to fall. The bible says that God will hold accountable the angel of the church, being the leader, because good or bad, the followers will follow the leaders way. To conclude this, the only time the bible talks about the catholic church is apocalypse “The Bible reveals that Rome is drunken with the blood of the saints (Revelation 17:6), it intoxicates her, that woman that sits on seven mountains (Revelation 17:9). For centuries, the woman that sits on seven mountains has called Bible believing Christians, “heretics”, and herself, “the Church”–but she is the heretic and she is not the church, but is actually the woman of Revelation 17, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH (Revelation 17:5)” and yes. I hate the CATHOLIC LEADERS AND ITS TEACHINGS. I hate it because it has shed innocent blood in its hands, has done masacres in the name of Christ that are wrong before God’s eyes. It has killed people who don’t agree with them and is teaching their followers principles that are anti-scriptural and will lead many to eternal condemnation. There are many Catholic people who set better better examples than many evangelical christians, and as I previously stated, it is not the followers fault that they have not been well informed and keep on being deceived with their lies. So I don’t hate the catholic people, I love them, However I firmly stand against the beliefs and acts of the catholic church because stain the name of Christ. Rev 3:20 says “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” God is a gentlemen who wants to come in, but unless you accept him and his truth, he will not force his way in. And call me a blasphemous all you want, but one thing you can’t do is prove it by the bible. All I care about is doing what is right before my Christ and Lord savior and the empty words that were said do not compare to the truth I have said backed up by the scriptures. Oh, and the history I said in the previous message.. It’s true and can actually be proven, unlike the catholic church being founded by christ. lol God bless.

          • Matthew46

            Slight problem. The God of the Jews, Jesus’ god, is eternal, without form, indivisible, with no parents, siblings or offspring. The Christian God is triune, composed of the father, son and holy ghost. It’s not the same God then.

            Second problem. God said that he abhors human sacrifice and would not think to ask for it. God also said that every person must atone for their own sins and no one else can do it for them.

          • Aza

            I realized I answered the wrong question. First of all, Mary was called a virgin because she was untouched. God decided to use her womb, but never in the bible did Christ call her mother, he calls her woman. So she wasn’t conceived by man kind, the holy spirit placed christ in the womb. So a womb was used. And well, God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, and like God said that Isaac was his only son, he was being a prophetic representation of Christ, as the bible calls him the only son. However, no HUMAN sacrifice would ever be able to clean man from sin, so God stopped him. Everything in the bible that God has done is intentional, he is perfect, including that being an example of what God would do with his son, Christ.

            Second, if you go to Genesis that God kept on talking in plural form. Genesis 1:26 ” And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” Genesis 3:22 ” And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us” genesis 3:27 “let us go down, and there confound their language” and I can keep on going and going showing you where in the old testament it where God talks about himself in a plural manner. This is what a trinity is, Three beings so united that they become one, and rule as one.

            John 1:1 says In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. That verse perfectly explains why God was talking in plural, because Christ is the Word, so the creation was done in conjunction by the father (Jehovah), the son ( Jesus ) and the holy spirit.

            It is up to you to listen, but christ fulfilled every requirement for the messiah, something that is almost impossible and only the true messiah can do. That being the case, there will be a rapture where the Christ followers will go with him as the earth is punished for its wickedness. Someone will rise claiming to be the messiah, and will be accepted by the jews as the messiah, but they will see with time that he is an imposter, satan himself and that Christ himself was the true messiah. Who ever takes his mark, 666 and I can conclude that it will be the microchip implant that all have in the barcodes 666, will be eternally condemned. You don’t have to accept what I say, but the bible says my people perish because of the lack of knowledge. If you choose to ignore it, you will never be able to say before God that you weren’t informed the truth. But I guess most Jews won’t see the truth until it is too late. I pray for you guys and ask Jehova

          • Matthew46

            Jesus was born and died a Jew in a land occupied by Jews. There are no virgin births or men gods in Judaism.
            …………..
            If I was alone at home and said “let’s see, what can I do next”. Does that mean there are other invisible others with me?
            ….
            I discount John entirely partly because he is too far away in time, he is not John the apostle but is an educated Christian convert, not a poor fisherman. He is documenting 60-80 years of hearsay and legend.
            ……………
            If he fulfilled prophecy during his lifetime – Where is world peace, why aren’t the diaspora all back in Israel, why isn’t all the world Jewish, why isn’t the temple back up? Why weren’t the Romans cast out of Israel when Jesus was alive?
            ………….
            If you knew what Jews actually believe, you would know why Jews won’t accept Jesus as a messiah. He doesn’t fulfill their prophecies. There are no men gods in Judaism. Human sacrifice is forbidden. Ever person must atone for his own sins.
            …………
            The number 666 is a later Christian interpolation. The Jewish number for man is 256.
            ….
            Fine. You pray and I’ll stand on one leg for you. Same result.

          • Matthew46

            If you follow the man, Jesus, you would have to be a Jew. Jesus didn’t preach to gentiles. Paul was the self-appointed first apostle to the gentiles after he broke with the apostles over his heresies and had to be saved by Roman soldiers. His preachings went on to be adopted and organized into the Catholic church. Jesus apostles, practicing Jews, either went back to straight Judaism or became Ebionites and Nazarenes, still hostile to Paul, who they called “the great liar”. They believed that Jesus was only a man, not a god.

          • Matthew46

            Aza, there was no bible in Constantine’s time. There were sporadic texts here and there but they weren’t compiled into one book until 385 AD. Constantine simply made Christianity legal but it didn’t become a state religion and begin to come into its own until 385 AD under Theodosius.

          • Aza

            Mathew, The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in A.D. 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. In A.D. 363. That being stated, My favorite books in the bible are the evangelist books, acts and revelation, but if you consider those books true than you would see that christ said over and over again that all who believe in HIM, Christ, shall not parish but have ever lasting life. You see, if you go to Genesis, from the moment that adam and eve sinned God had a plan of redemption, not for a specific lineage, but for all man kind. He chose to do it from a holy lineage, first seth and them replaced by shem being Noahs son, but can you tell me when Jesus said to cover to Judaism? Because he did’t preach that, not even once. I can tell you what he said “I am the way, the truth and the light, and nobody comes to the father if not through me” so time and time again Jesus preached a message of repentance and renewing through HIM, not the Jewish religion. As a matter of fact, He even said in mark 16:15 “Go to all the world and preach the gospel to the whole world” notice the gospel, being the new of Christ death and resurrection for us to be free from sin..

            How do I back this up, In the book of acts you see that God gave peter a vision, and the point of that vision was to not call dirty what was cleaned by God. Peter didn’t understand that vision until Acts 10, where he made Peter go to Cornelius, a person that FEARED God, but wasn’t Jewish, he was Italian, and it never said that he converted to Judaism. There, when Peter was telling him the greatness of Jesus Christ, and baptized by the holy spirit they started speaking in tongues. What did peter do, he told them to get baptized in the name of Jesus! He never turned them to the Jewish religion. In return, one of my favorite verses was Acts 11:17 17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?.

            In conclusion, you can tell me all you want that Jesus intended to convert people to the Jewish religion, but I never see that. I see him brining restoration and a new life to all those who believe in him as God, just like the samaritan, he told her who even drinks from the well of Jesus, shall never be thirsty again. So please, all I ask is for you to prove me where on the bible it says that christ came to convert people to Judaism, because Christ came as the eternal lamb of sacrifice, him becoming the new pact, delivering us from the old covenant, death and sin, being the promise of Genesis 3:15 for all man kind, he was who bruised the head of the serpent, conquering it and restoring all man kind. Keep in mind that the “Jewish” religion didn’t even exist then. They are the chosen people of God, but who soever accepts Christ as Lord and savior also become sons and daughters of Jehovah God.. That is biblical.

          • lorasinger

            Very simply explained: Jesus was a Jew, born and died so in a setting of Judaism. Christianity as you know it wasn’t invented yet.

            Then as now Jews believe:
            One Person cannot die for the sins of another.
            A blood sacrifice is not required for forgiveness of sins.
            Jesus was not the messiah.
            God hates human sacrifices.
            People are born pure and without original sin.
            God is one and indivisible.
            Jews believe in The Satan, but not The Devil.
            God does not become human and humans do not become God.

            The bible is a mish-mash of both Judaism and Pauline Christian thought. To unweave the tale, that which is Jewish belongs to the man, Jesus and is likely closest to what is possible. Everything else is the addition of Christian writers about a god man Jesus. The man preached to Jews. Paul’s god man preached to everyone it seems. Remember it is Paul’s story (since he never even met Jesus nor studied under the apostles) and he could tell it anyway he wanted. Writers that followed him also documented hearsay and adapted it by way of their own thinking and so a very confusing story ensues.

          • Arrie

            But Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMasiach, is not a person – He is God, that is what makes what He done for us so unique – He loved all of us so much, that He would risk His heavenly kingdom, to come and walk earth, and be that eternal sacrifice for all – done in love that only He, YHVH, can understand and live out.
            That is the Gospel and that is what it is to follow Christ.
            Ooh, thank you Jesus – you picked me up from the mess that was myself and made me whole, and put me on the cornerstone of life. Nothing of myself, all by Your greatness, just as You planned from the beginning.
            Ooh, I feel like dancing for my King.

          • lorasinger

            If Jesus is not a human, then he isn’t the messiah (the anointed).
            Jesus, the man god is Paul’s invention. He wasn’t invented until almost two generations after the man, Jesus was dead. You follow Paul’s Jesus. Jesus’ followers were called Ebionites.

            .
            In Against the Heresies, 1.26 Irenaeus says:”Those
            who are called Ebionites agree that the world was made by God; but their opinions with respect to the Lord are similar to those of Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They use the Gospel according to Matthew only, and repudiate the Apostle Paul, maintaining that he was an apostate from the law.

            This is comparable to Eusebius who in 325 AD wrote in Ecclesiastical History 3.27: “These men, moreover, thought that it was necessary to reject all the epistles of the apostle [Paul], whom they called an apostate from the law; and they used only the so-called Gospel
            according to the Hebrews and made small account of the rest.”
            It seems that the followers of Jesus, those who knew him and/or the apostles didn’t think much of Paul, the father of Christianity.

          • Allan Noske

            do you think catholics got it right . watch closely what the pope will recomend needs to happen to the i s i s group . to be wiped of the face of the earth . do you think he is showing the love of god . i dont now you but i sence you have pain in your heart and unforgivness . and you feel you have the right . please dont let what man has done to you . keep you out of the kingdom of god .. gaurd your heart against the schemes of the devil who comes as a angel of light . . to fill your spiritual void . and leed you astray . . i would love to see you in heaven . let jesus restore your peace . god bless

          • Nan

            The pope has recommended that Muslims stop persecuting Christians. You misrepresent him if you think he would advocate killing for killings sake.

          • Yesterday987G

            I am not making assumptions, Dreaming. It is pretty obvious that you have been force fed some lies in your formative years. I am not a big fan of the Catholic “church”.

          • DreamingOfPan

            And what lies would those be?

          • Tim3Trvlr

            Lord in Luke 4 you tell us that you came to bring sight to the blind and to set free those who are captive and who are oppressed so I lift up this little girl and her mom to you and DreamingofPan too that You will in Your mercy lead them out of oppression and captivity and give them sight. Lead them to the cross of Jesus Christ to find forgiveness, and peace from the God who loves them and gave Himself a ransom for their souls.

          • Matthew46

            The anonymous author of Luke admits right at the start of his book that he was not an eye witness but was just documenting oral legend. That doesn’t make him an authority nor that the stories he’s written are true. After six re-tellings, with the additions that take place naturally, the final outcome is almost completely different than the original story;.

          • Tim3Trvlr

            The Gospel of Luke probably written y Luke according to early church. Written 50s to 60’s AD as modern research asserts ) read Dr Craig Evans -Acadia U), Luke wrote Acts following Luke (luke pt2), Greeek , wrote in Greek way, a professional–a doctor. Luke i writeing these facts from eye witness accounts, would have eyewitnesses still alive and people who knew Jesus still walking around. His account would not have survived the criticism of the early church people if what he had written was horse feathers. He writes so that we may know the exact truth.
            This is what Luke himself says as to his purpose for writing hte gospel: “1:! Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, 3 it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; 4 so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.”

          • Matthew46

            Not possible for it to have been written before 60 AD. It’s a concept entirely foreign to Judaism and most resembles Roman legends of god/virgins/sacrificial men gods. Even Tertullian complained that the pagan myth of Mithra had imitated Christianity – IN ADVANCE. In other words the two were identical.
            .
            IT JUST ISN’T JEWISH in a Jewish world.
            .
            Paul’s writings came first in around 59 AD. Mark was the first written, then Matthew and THEN Luke, all built on the the first as a base, each adding more, as the story grew. John tailed afterward by 60-80 years after the death of Jesus. In any case, Luke was documenting hearsay.

          • Tim3Trvlr

            The Mithra thing–look up some of the apologetics on that. I listened to a lecture this summer on that, sorry I can’t remember much more than it being a really good debunking of that argument. It was an RZIM (Ravi Zacharias Apologetics conference). Also about the dating, recent findings are finding that the gospels were written much sooner than originally was thought. DR Craig Evans has written about it–also interesting to note that museums are selling off old scruffy dethmasks out of Egyptian antiquities depts and funnily enough it has been recently discovered that many of these old masques (often sold for as little as $100) have bits of Biblical scripture incl bits of the gospels including Luke. Evans is a wonderful scholar has refuted Bart Erhdman (sp?). Another scholar I am reading right now is John Lennnox Oxford PHD math, science, philosophy and something else–marvelous to read–He wrote a book “7 days that changed the world”–Ive just started it. I certainly dont think that Luke was documenting heresy. Too many people died for the truth that was told. Look at the changed life of Paul from before he saw the risen Christ to after. I am reading though Luke in an inductive way at present –22 weeks to do the book. I note key words, themes, contrasts, parallels-chiastic structures and find as I study the Bible I am more and more convinced of its integrity and reliability. I guess if one is looking for ways to not believe , one can always find them –ha ha–dont I know it–Ive been a hard nut . but I am satisfied on both an intellectual level and personal level with the integrity of Jesus–and I will say that I had messed up my marriage but good and in bowing my knee one day–He changed everything. 25 years in March and counting. Our culture is turning very anti-christian I sense, It will cost us dearly soon I expect, yet two questions remain: Who do you say that I AM? and will you count the cost.

          • Matthew46

            The culture may be turning anti-Christian? Explain that since 85% of the country IS Christian. If there is a backlash, it’s against the minority cult within the Christianity, your fundamentalist Christo=Taliban. The back lash is shared by normal Christians because you don’t condemn them. You hide them. Even the Muslims are denouncing the fundamentalists among their people. What’s wrong with you guys?

            ,,,,,,,,,,,

            Re: Mithraism – Mithraism pre-dated Christianity and lived side by side in Rome for a couple of hundred years. In Rome, more than a hundred inscriptions dedicated to Mithras have been found, in addition to 75 sculpture fragments, and a series of Mithraic temples situated in all parts of the city. One of the largest Mithraic temples built in Italy now lies under the present site of the Church of St. Clemente, near the Colosseum in Rome. The early church fathers (especially Tertullian) were quite upset and declared that Mithraism was so similar to Christianity that the devil had copied them “in advance”.” You can’t deny historical documents.

            Example:

            Inscription to Mithras – “He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation.” —

            John 6:53–56
            – Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and
            drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my
            flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh,and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”
            .
            It’s impossible that a Torah upholding Jew, especially a messianic candidate, who knew fully well that consuming blood was forbidden by God, would ever ask that of his apostles.
            …..
            You have presented a large number of points but only so much can be answered at a time and gish gallop doesn’t prove anything.

          • Tim3Trvlr

            I dont know how you can say that 85% of hte country is Christian, Canada is not even classified as a Christian country anymore dispite our constitution. The minority “cult” among Christianity –Im not sure what you mean. if you mean people who take the Bible seriously and contextually and try to live by it –then that would be me. People who follow Christ are to be known by their love, by their fruit. Yes lots of hipocrits in churches, but hey seem to be everywhere. Taliban–are you serious? Our western cultures were established according to Judeo Christian values but they are no longer valid–pluralism and relativism are the philosophies of the day—generally when such things establish themselves , socieity sort of implodes on itself in lawlessness, or is taken over by more brutal and dictatorial forces, or maybe both. As far as drinking blood–this is metaphor–no where did Jesus advocate this–drink of his blood = suffer what he would suffer, laying down his life which is what his followers are to do. Jeus did not advocate killing anyone like Taliban–he gives people free choice “whosoever will may come” “come unto me those of you who are weak and heavy lade and I will give you rest”—there are many weak and heavy laden these days and men’s hearts are failing them for fear at what is coming on the earth–rest and peace in these times is what I want because I know me, and Ican get riled up so easily and be empassioned with outrage at all the injustices of the world–yet I have a choice and I choose to rest and find encouragement from the Lord and his scripture , it has not led me wrong, nor my children or husband, dispite our fickleness.

          • Tim3Trvlr

            ps Luke does not say he is documenting “oral legend”–but compiling an acct of the eyewitnesses of the things accomplished among “us”, he states he has investigated everything carefully from the beginning.

          • Matthew46

            Except that there is no concept of men-gods among the Jews. Jesus did not claim to be a god and there was no such belief. A Jewish messiah was to be a human. Whatever Luke is documenting is straight gentile lore based on pagan man god myth. It isn’t Jewish. And Luke got some faulty information too. Was Jesus born before 4BC (Herod died that year) or, as Luke tabulates, 6AD during the first census of Quirinius? A ten year difference and it can’t both. Inerrant bible, you say?

          • Tim3Trvlr

            Quirinius ruled two times. REad Luke and see what he documents Jesus saying about himself, yes he claimed to be God–the Pharisees knew it and wanted to kill him for that, and the demons knew it too. Jesus did claim to be God. HE was fully God and fully man–the man -messiah part was necessary to redeem mankind as the first Adam sinned and lost his right to rule, lost his eternal quality and began to die in that day, death passed on all men because all sinned–therefore a sinless one without sin nature was needed for redemption. Needed to be human and through being God he was sinless. Take some time to actually go through Luke and read it. Prayerfully asking that God show you the truth, not reading what others are saying through their bias and liberal shoddy scholarship. Here is another protest–that Matt and Luke differ–well they dont. Luke is shorter in summations while Matt longer–but Matthew had short hand skills and wrote from Jewish perspective to Jewish audience while Luke to the Gentiles. I am finding Luke fascinating–I love the way Jesus deals with religious bigots. I also love the way he nails people who want signs and miracles and a three ring circus , while he tells people that if they want to follow Him it will cost them, that they will have to take their crosses daily and follow him—that is sacrificing our lives for others–not something we innately want to do. The people he told did not understand the death that he would die and he slowly reveals that to his followers , yet even his disciples did not truly believe he would die, yet after his resurrection they changed the world and died for what they knew to be true. We in teh west have much to be thankful for in the coming of christianity which brought people our of the bondage they were in –(Im not counting catholicism becasue I dont see alot of Jesus teachings in teh official teachings of the popes.)

          • Matthew46

            Quirinius followed the normal pathway of service for an ambitious young man of his social class, serving in the Roman army and possibly participating in
            Octavian’s campaign that culminated in the Battle of Actium in 31 BC.

            -For the following decade he served in Spain,

            -on assuming his first governorship, Quirinius defeated
            the Marmarici, a tribe of desert raiders before becoming governor of Crete and Cyrene in 14 BC. I

            -In 12 BC he was named consul, a sign that he enjoyed the favour of Augustus.

            =6BC he was dispatched to govern in modern Turkey), where another successful military campaign earned him honors in Rome.

            By AD 1, Quirinius had become chief advisor to Augustus’ grandson Gaius Caesar, until Gaius died from wounds suffered on campaign. When he saw Augustus’ support shift to his stepson Tiberius, he entered the latter’s camp of followers.

            After the banishment of Herod Archelaus in 6, Iudaea Province (the conglomeration of Samaria, Judea and Idumea) came under direct Roman administration. One of Quirinius’ FIRST DUTIES was to carry out a
            census to assess the new province for tax purposes.
            ,,,,
            Check your bible Tim. It reads “the FIRST CENSUS” by Quirinius. There was no other because Rome was not in charge of Judaea province.
            Luke couldn’t even get his years right. If Jesus was born while Herod was alive it would be before 4 BC.
            Quirinius never ruled anywhere in his life.

          • Tim3Trvlr

            My notes on Quirinius: ref. Missler, C.

            Cyrenius = the Grecized form of Quirinus. His full name was Publius
            Sulpicius Quirinus. He had a noteworthy career as an able administrator
            and soldier, was appointed counsel in 12 B.C., was victorious over the
            Homonadensians in south Galatia.
            Recent historical investigation has proved that Quirinus was governor
            of Cilicia as early a 4 B.C., which was annexed to Syria at the time of our
            Lord’s birth. Cilicia, which he ruled, being a province of Syria, resulted
            in his being called the governor, which he was de jure, of Syria. A decade
            later he was appointed as legate over Syria for a second time in 6-9 A.D.
            after Herod’s son Archelaus was deposed.
            During his initial tenure of office, at the time of our Lord’s birth, a “taxing”
            (a registration or census for taxing) of the people was “first made”; i.e.,
            was made for the first time under his administration.
            3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
            Rome took a census every 14 years for military and tax purposes.
            [Not in winter: no Roman administrator would require this at a time when
            much of the empire was impassable (Matt 24:20).]

          • Matthew46

            The Jewish historian Josephus recorded that in the year 6–7, after the exile of Herod Archelaus (one of the sons and successors of Herod the Great), Quirinius (in Greek, Κυρήνιος, sometimes transliterated Cyrenius), a Roman senator, became governor (Legatus) of Syria, while an equestrian assistant named Coponius was assigned as the first governor (Prefect) of the newly created Iudaea Province. These governors were assigned to conduct a tax census for the Emperor in Syria and Iudaea.
            …………

            “Now Cyrenius, a Roman senator, and one who had gone through other magistracies, and had passed through them till he had been consul, and one who, on other accounts, was of great dignity, came at this time into Syria, with a few others, being sent by Caesar to be a judge of that nation, and to take an account of their substance. Coponius also, a man of the equestrian order, was sent together with him, to have the supreme power over the Jews. Moreover, Cyrenius came himself into Judea, which was now added to the province of Syria, to take an account of their substance, and to dispose of Archelaus’s money;”

            Josephus links the census to an uprising led by Judas of Galilee. The leaders of the uprising claimed that the census and taxation associated with it were tantamount to slavery.] It is unclear as to whether this was based on the fact that for the first time in many years they were to pay taxes to a foreign power, or simply that they feared the tax burden would be too high.
            .

          • Matthew46

            Re: Adam sinned and lost his right to rule, lost his eternal quality and began to die in that day, death passed on all men because all sinned-”

            ……..

            Again, re-read your bible.

            Genesis 3:22 reads “And the LORD God said,
            Behold the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil, now, lest he PUT FORTH HIS HAND AND TAKE ALSO OF THE TREE OF LIFE AND AND LIVE FOREVER”.

            Sounds like man was MADE mortal and the “original
            sin” story is more of a sales pitch, so that by convincing people they were born sinners that needed saving, they would then need the church to keep
            them safe. Pretty clever!

          • Tyler Mitchell

            Grew up up Catholic.So ths person went from one false religion to another.Catholicism has zero to do with being a Christian.Most of those so called “witches and warlocks” were Protestant Christians who were killed by the millions by..you guess it the Catholic church.Might wanna do a little history lesson there.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            False religion. Curious because many people would consider Christianity to be a false religion. I find the term false religion to be rather a joke though. If the religion provides what the person needs then it is not false, not even Christianity.

            But to be so arrogant as to call any other religion false is a sign of some of the things wrong with those in the religion doing the name calling.

            When it comes to God we only know what we are taught by other men. We may believe them, or not believe them, but we have no way to know if they report truthfully. This includes all the holy books written.

            As God is quite capable of speaking for himself, I am constantly amazed at the arrogance of all who claim to speak for him. God has no need for middle men. He can speak directly to his followers if they will stop pontificating and be quiet long enough to listen.

          • DreamingOfPan

            THANK YOU.

          • Tyler Mitchell

            There are only three beliefs bud…just three.You believe being a good person..your “karma”..your works etc gets you to what a person calls “heaven” or a higher level of being etc…..you don’t believe in any afterlife….or you believe no matter what you do you’re still a falling sinner that only through Christ can you get tp Heaven.I don’t care what your man made religion is….there are on 3 “faiths” or beliefs in the world…and all 3 are VASTLY different…so no all things are not the “same” so something has to be false.Christ asked a simple question…”Who do you say that I am” it’s for you to read His Words and then choose to accept it or not…what you decide..will be between you and God.No man made church like you find in Rome and force you to believe…that isn’t what the Gospel is about.It’s about Faith…Repent…Following Him…THAT is what the Christian FAITH is about.

          • Matthew46

            The majority are Christian who follow the teachings quietly, don’t push it and get along with their neighbors.. The fundamentalists are a minority, more of a cult within the greater body and these are the street preachers, the complainers, Dominionists and those who aren’t content unless they’re constantly terrorizing their friends, families and the public with their constant preaching. Now they’re attacking even mainstream Christians, calling them lukewarm.
            .
            Up to now it’s been a situation like that of the dodo bird wherein the dodo lays it’s eggs in another birds nest. That bird then protects it and fights to the death for it. When the dodo hatches, it kills off the young of the nesting bird.
            .
            Mainstream Christians have thus protected the fanatics in their ranks and now the fanatics are attacking them too.

          • DreamingOfPan

            I’m not sure if you’re referring to me with the “one false religion to another” thing, but if so… I’m not religious. Just putting that out there.

          • Tyler Mitchell

            You might wanna know what the full meaning of the word “religion” means here.Christ of the Bible has nothing to do with man made religion.Christ= it’s done…religion= do….Christ is about faith.

          • Nan

            Remind me, who was in Salem during the witch trials? Catholics? Um, no.

            Note that Christ founded the Catholic church. Protestant churches are following man; each one who believed he knew better than Christ.

          • Jeffrey Andrews

            Nan, Better check your historical facts on the true church. Christ established the one church which is in heaven. Man started the Catholic church when Constantine became a Christian and was Emperor of Rome. Before he established a State run religion, those that called themselves Christians were told by Paul they were of Christ not of Paul or Silas etc…People get this wrong all the time. When Christ told Peter “Thou art Peter and upon this Petros (Rock) I will build my church” What he was referring to was the confession Peter made that “Thou art the Christ the Holy Son of God” Not that Peter was to be the first Pope and establish a church on earth. When Peter spoke to those lost on the Day of Pentecost he did not say join my church, he said Repent and be baptized everyone of you calling on the name of the Lord and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. At no time did he say join my church. Jesus tells us “wherever two or more are gathered in my name there shalt the spirit of the Lord be”. We are the church, not a building, not a religion, not an organization. When we repent and are baptized then our names are written in the book of life and we are all members of Christ’s Kingdom which is in heaven not on earth.

          • Lauren

            Ahhhh, the Chrsitians are fighting amongst themselves. Someone pass the popcorn.

          • Arrie

            Some of us call it healthy debate, others unhealthy debate.
            I prefer something chocolaty while typing, thanks.

          • Nan

            No. He founded the Catholic Church. You’re not reading the early Church fathers and are reading protestant versions of hte bible with protestant revisionist footnotes. Baptism remits original sin but we must continue to strive for Holiness the rest of our lives; those who are baptized but turn from God don’t make it to heaven.

          • Tyler Mitchell

            I’m a Messianic Jew…Christ didn’t start the church in Rome…Paul did.Then pagan Rome took over around 300ad.If you’re Catholic ..then you are pagan.No one has more Christian and Jewish blood on their hands than the Catholic religion…not even Hitler has more Jewish blood on his hand.

          • Matthew46

            Tyler, while you are right in your comment about Paul and Jesus, I note that you call yourself a messianic Jew which means you are a Christian convert of the Southern Baptist group. You cannot be a practicing Jew and a Christian at the same time. It is either one or another. You can be a Christian of Jewish origin but that is as far as it goes. Read “What Jews Believe”.

          • Arrie

            Funny how we read things differently – I’ve always thought these forum like sites are possibly a boil to conflict.
            When he said “I’m a Messianic Jew”, I took it he is a person of Jewish descent, but who accepted Christ, and no longer follow the “law” traditionally associated with Jewish people.

          • lorasinger

            Jews no longer consider him to be a Jew, but a Christian who happens to be born to Jewish parents. Messianic Judaism is Christianity in drag. They wear Jewish gear and follow the holidays but it’s all fake. Living in a garage doesn’t make you a car.

          • Jeffrey Andrews

            I do not believe in once saved always saved Nan, that is not scriptural. Paul taught us to finish the race, also once we put our hands to the plow to not turn back. The Old Testament taught us the results of turning back as Lots wife was turned to stone when she looked back. So we agree there. On the other hand, Christ did not found the Catholic Church. It is the reason the Jews and Romans killed Him. Everyone expected Him to set up His Kingdom on the earth and that was repeatedly contradicted by Jesus. He kept telling His apostles and the crowds that His Kingdom was in Heaven, it is why He went back to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God. The Judgment Seat. The Bible also tells us call no man father who is on this earth yet Catholics do that. Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the father but through me and yet your church goes through priests for redemption and forgiveness of sin. No where in the bible will you see us commanded to confess to a priest. In fact we are all priests after the order of Melchezidec. We confess our sins before the church not an individual and we also can pray directly to Christ and the Father as Jesus taught us. Your church has made men above others which is not scriptural, your church has made the Pope Infallible which is not scriptural. Only Christ is perfect and therefore the only one that can redeem us, forgive us and save us. Your church teaches we are all born into sin and must be baptized as children, this is not scriptural. The bible teaches that all people choose to sin, it is only when we are old enough to sin that we make that choice. Children who die before they are able to understand making a conscience choice between right or wrong are not sinners and are taken to heaven. Christ teaches us this when He says we must become like a child to enter heaven. Suffer the little children to come unto me. Unless one be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. You have a lot of bible reading to do. You have been indoctrinated with man’s teachings through catechism and liturgy when we are all individually responsible for knowing the word of God and having a relationship with God. None of us need other men in our lives to help us reach a relationship with God. We should attend services for the Bible says forsake not the assembling of the saints, which is the practice of many, but it does not teach us that we must go to confessional, say hail Mary’s or any of the man made doctrine that the Catholic church has invented over the years. That’s why there was a Protestant movement in the first place, the Catholic church had gotten so far away from the bible’s teaching during the middle ages it was and is why a lot of the world refuses to believe in the Gospel.

          • Matthew46

            Jesus didn’t found any Christian church. He was dead before Christianity was invented by 30 years.

          • Wantin9Inches .

            Christ did say his kingdom was not of this earth so how can he have founded the roman catholic church the RCC is a cult..

          • Matthew46

            The man, Jesus, had nothing to do with Christianity of any kind. It began over a generation, some 30 years, after his death. The god man Jesus is closely tied to the Catholic Church and originated, developed and organized in Rome.

          • Arrie

            You keep spewing this lie.
            What would be the reason?
            Christ – Christian, can you see something there?

          • lorasinger

            You’ve been taught one thing by the church and there is a lot they haven’t taught you. Jesus was born and died a Jew in about 33 AD. A Jew has a given set of beliefs based on the Torah which Jesus said he upheld. The Christianity as Paul taught it in 59AD, is diametrically opposed. I’ll bet you don’t even know what Jews like Jesus believe, do you? If you did, you would know why Christianity could never come from Judaism and Jesus would never have taught Christianity because Christianity bears more resemblance to Greco Roman paganism, and none at all to Judaism.

          • Wantin9Inches .

            lol I don’t think so

          • Arrie

            And yet, He is coming back to wage war on this planet and also to rule for some time.
            Should we take note?

          • Matthew46

            The baptism that you speak of is not what it was in Jesus day. This is written by Josephus who knew John the Baptist.
            .
            QUOTE: “For immersion in water, it was clear to him (John
            the Baptist), could not be used for the forgiveness of sins, but as a sanctification of the body, and only if the soul was already thoroughly purified by right actions.
            .
            Josephus A Baptism of Purification -Antiquities 18.5.2 116-119
            .
            .
            Baptism is based on the Mikvah, sanctifying bath which could be done even more than once a day, after childbirth, after touching something unclean, before entering the temple. It was ceremonial and had no magical properties.
            ……………………

          • Arrie

            But you are missing the baptism of Christ and also the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
            Any reason?

          • lorasinger

            Read: Josephus A Baptism of
            Purification -Antiquities 18.5.2 116-119
            Baptism in Israel was only a sanctification and cleansing of the body based on Mikvah and could be done even several times a day – after childbirth, before entering the temple, after touching something unclean. It had no magical properties.

          • Blake Duckworth

            lol Josephus didn’t know John the baptist your sources are as ridiculous as you are.

            Titus Flavius Josephus born 37 AD and died 100 AD

            Jesus died in 33 AD and John the baptist died before Christ had died. So how did Josephus who was born in 37 AD know John the baptist who died before 33 AD ? lol you’re a complete joke !

          • lorasinger

            For immersion in water, it was clear to him (John the Baptist), could not be used for the forgiveness of sins,
            but as a sanctification of the body, and only if the soul was already thoroughly purified by right actions.

            Josephus A Baptism of
            Purification -Antiquities 18.5.2 116-119

          • Blake Duckworth

            it is obvious to us that you are unlearned and have no knowledge

          • lorasinger

            The mental patient calling the doctor crazy again?

          • Blake Duckworth

            yawn

          • lorasinger

            Again, Blake, good night, Poor sleepy boy!

          • lorasinger

            Quite right. The actual death of John the Baptist is given as AD 31 – 36 in Machaerus, Perea. The exact date is not known. In any case, Josephus as you state would not have known John the Baptist.

            I have based it on Josephus writings: ”

            “When I was about sixteen, (53AD) I wanted to
            gain first-hand experience of our different movements. There are three: first, the Pharisees, second the Sadducees, and third the Essenes – as I have noted
            frequently. I thought I would be able to choose the best, by learning about all these schools. Thus I steeled myself for the task and studied the three courses with some effort”. (Josephus)
            .
            He also wrote of a wild man who wore skins and ate honey, he spent some time with and I assumed it was John.

            It depends on whether Matthew or Luke are right. Matthew gives Jesus birth at before Herod died in 4BC. Luke give the date of birth at 6AD during the first census of Quirinius when Rome first got control over Judea after deposing Herod’s son. Now if Jesus actually began preaching in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius at the age of about 30, we have a problem with Luke’s date since Jesus would have been only 23. We have some holes here.

          • Blake Duckworth

            what shall I ever do he has went into google again and is copying and pasting lol, you are a joke

          • lorasinger

            Not googling at all, Blake. Referring to articles already saved and bringing them out to people for support for my statements. If I didn’t, you would then say I made it up, right? Of course, with you, THAT’S not enough either. Beyond that all you can do is heckle just like the little fundamentalist girl whose mother put her up to it when no other hecklers were available. It seems that fundamentalists are a devious lot.

            You should read “The Fabrication of Christianity”. Maybe you can gain some further tips in lying for Paul’s mythical man-god Jesus?

          • Blake Duckworth

            yawn, go google some more miss atheist

          • lorasinger

            Thank you for the complement although you are wrong. Good night Blake.

          • Blake Duckworth

            blah blah blah nobody cares

          • lorasinger

            NO, you don’t care because you choose to remain ignorant and that’s ok. Others will read it though, and they will read your nonsense. Do you really think your juvenile responses are going to generate any respect?

          • Jack Rohde

            Catholic ha I knew it, that religion is designed to lead people away from God to satan, It’s a false version of Christianity, look at the Vatican it was the temple of Janus, why do you think that’s were the mafia is and all the pedophile priest’s.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Christian, Catholic, Muslim, whatever – I do not ascribe to the typical notion of “gods” and monotheism.

          • Nan

            Jack Rohde, you share your protestant hatred again. Nice.

          • Wantin9Inches .

            protestants all the way

          • https://www.facebook.com/rinoabelle Belle Sevilla

            Peace be with you dreamingofplan, that’s exactly it! catholics! dreaming plan, now you know what’s the difference of professing Christians and true one ^_^ the one who killed and the one who preach. I was once a catholic before GOD called me to be a Christian 🙂 yup they’re not the same. ^_^ (remember that Rome killed a lot (in millions!) of Christians, you know the history, they killed them, burned them, feed them to lions, etc.) May GOD enlighten you my friend ^_^.

          • Nan

            Belle Sevilla, do you realize that it was not God who called you to be a protestant of some form?

          • https://www.facebook.com/rinoabelle Belle Sevilla

            May GOD’s peace and grace be yours in abundance Nan! others may doubt but Yup I knew the LORD called me ,(all glory to HIM, for I wouldn’t know anything about HIM , nor any man can make me know HIM , w/o HIM so yup all praises to HIM and HIM alone! ^_^) not only me but my colleague/close friend now my sister in CHRIST. HE’s real Nan! may you experience HIM Nan (just like what we have experienced and now proclaiming to others what HE has done for us, HE really can change lives 😀 ) and may you get to know HIM . GOD bless you ^_^

          • Matthew46

            Makes me think of a neighbor with DTs and his pink elephants that nobody else could see that talked to him too.

          • christina

            Exactly! Amen

          • sisserydoo

            Christians also have a right to free speech. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to listen.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Never said they didn’t have a right to free speech. Just saying the little girl does too. I’d be curious to know if your opinion on free speech would change if the person standing there “preaching” was a Satanist or a Muslim or a Wiccan, etc.?

          • Jack Rohde

            Once you become a Christian you just see how wrong everyone else is you just cant help it.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Wow. Elitism at its best.

          • Skeeter McClusky

            Well…you’re the one dreaming of cookware…

          • Heidi K.

            AMEN! Born again Christians receive the Holy Spirit who leads us to all truth.

          • Matthew46

            In Maomides hospital in New York, an experiment was carried out on four mental patients, each of whom thought he was a certain historical figure, thinking that if they met, they might be jolted out of their delusion. Instead, each one acknowleged that the OTHERS were deluded but they themselves were right. So it is for religion.; You won’t acknowledge the good in others’ religions and claim that YOU ALONE are right.

          • James Grimes

            Dreaming, did the girl have the right to be rude. Who do you think put her up to do her show?

          • DreamingOfPan

            No, I don’t think she should’ve ranted as she did, but she is a child. I guess I am just saying I understand her/her parents/others’ frustrations.

          • James Grimes

            I hope it’s not frustration at hearing the truth.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            The Truth? Boy how arrogant. That is part of the problem Christians telling other people that only they have the truth when in fact is is only a true in their own opinion.

          • James Grimes

            The epitome of arrogance… an Atheist telling a Christian how he should behave on a Christian site. If you don’t like Christians telling the truth here, then take a hike. You don’t belong here.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            I a not an atheist. I just believe differently than you do. Most of the atheists that I have met never gave me any trouble. Now will admit I have seen a few fundamentalist evangelical atheists

          • Skeeter McClusky

            What “religion” is that????

          • Matthew46

            Kind of arrogance like a Christian preacher telling secular how to behave on their own turf maybe? If he doesn’t like seculars celebrating their own event, then maybe HE should take a hike, right?

          • Skeeter McClusky

            hahahaha and you are on a Christian site complaining about Christians…hahahahaha…

          • Skeeter McClusky

            Frustration??? So its okay in our culture for Hollywood to fill movies with filth, the music industry to curse and sing about every perversion imaginable and for every pervert to have their “rights” upheld in public BUT a Christian should not be able to speak openly about the beauty of the One called Jesus?! From your posts you act as though there is a preacher on every corner of every town…are you delusional or what?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            If you don’t like filthy Hollywood movies, don’t see them.
            If you don’t like cursing and perversions in music, don’t listen to music that contains curses and perversions.
            And if a Christian wants to speak openly about what they believe, they can do so. But this guy’s doing it in the middle of a street where people are minding their own business and trying to talk and eat dinner.

            Do people force filthy Hollywood movies on you when you’re eating a meal?

            See the difference?

          • wandakate

            JAMES GRIMES: Her irresponsible mother of course. And the mother had help from Satan’s demons and she is a possessed soul and one of the demons has now taken over the child as well.

          • lorasinger

            Partly right. It WAS the mother, AND the father AND the brother, the street preacher. The kid was play acting the part of a heckler because there were no others. It’s a strictly fundamentalist production. The parents are sure embarrassed and threatening to sue if it the video isn’t taken down.

          • Yesterday987G

            Dreaming, we are subjected to the beliefs of Muslims and Wiccans constantly. This world is most definitely not dominated by Christians. If a Wiccan was standing on the corner with a bullhorn preaching about creation worship, I would listen, engage in conversation, have a discussion. I have always said ‘If you can’t discuss religion and politics, you are around the wrong people.’ Rational, thinking people have discussions. They exchange thoughts and ideas, they don’t shout and mock like this child has done. She does not have the experience, intelligence or maturity to exchange ideas. She is shouting and mocking like a demonic brat. Yes, I said demonic because to those who are spiritual, all things are spiritual.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Christians don’t dominate, huh? According to PewResearch: “A comprehensive demographic study of more than 200 countries finds that there are 2.18 billion Christians of all ages around the world, representing nearly a third of the estimated 2010 global population of 6.9 billion” and that 79.5% of the American population is Christian.
            Wiccans do not preach or actively try to recruit new members, as they feel no need to “convert” people. If you are “subjected” to other religious beliefs, I say GOOD.
            I’m not defending the child’s actions really. What tweaks my gourd is how so many Christians just can’t seem to “get” the fact that many people tire of the constant preaching & attempts otherwise (which frankly concern me far more than the street-corner stuff) to run others’ lives (legislation, efforts to ban non-Xtian things, etc.).

          • Nan

            Wiccans just make shit up as they go along and claim that Victorian crap that wasn’t researched is true.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            These “Christians” are not Christians…they are Catholics and the number represents their size, when the RCC is far from being Christian. http://www.remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Catholics aren’t just Christians, they are the original ones. They had the word Christian before you did, so maybe if you hate Christians you need to find another word for yourself, because the Catholics had it first.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            Are you clear of the biblical definition of what a Christian is? If the Catholics had it first then why do Catholics display an open hate for Jesus? Now when I say this, I do not imply my saying to the Catholic body as a whole; they only do what they are told and practice what they are taught by their leaders. Are you suggesting that the Catholic Church was founded by Peter, a man sleeping in the dust of the earth? Have you rejected the same stone that the builders rejected in favor of Peter? All I have to say is…prophecy fulfilled…the stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner…and that stone is Jesus Christ.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Are you out of your mind?? Catholics “display an open hate for Jesus” – WHERE do they do this? I was raised Catholic, they worship Jesus and Jesus only, and had Bible readings at every mass. EVERY faith follows what they are told and what they are taught by their leaders, even yours.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            Tell me, what are your thoughts on Pope Francis?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            He’s great…he’s asking Christians to focus on what unites us rather than divide us, he’s not taking crap from crazy hateful fundamentalist Christians, he’s not beating up on people for being gay. He is a breath of fresh air.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            And who exactly are these crazy hateful fundamentalist Christians? Catholics…since…well…you say the Catholic church are the ORIGINAL Christians…thus they founded the Christian Church…right? Right…

            And what unites us…Jesus…right? Well if that was the case then would not we all worship the same Father in heaven…wouldn’t we all be called Christians?

            But seriously…what does he do? Maybe this video can explain what he does…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C24DF0YvPzw&list=UUpITe256E0HOmw-KqWYWDhw

          • BeWhoYouAre

            And so your response is to post a video made by a crazy hateful fundamentalist Christian?

            The crazy ones, as I’m sure I don’t have to tell you, are the ones like the people who are ATTACKING fellow Christians LIKE the Catholics.

            Isn’t it funny how I ALWAYS see fundamentalists attacking Catholics (mostly for things the fundamentalists completely misunderstand), but I almost never see Catholics attacking fundies?

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            But here is the thing…

            Do you consider yourself Christian simple because you are Catholic? That exact same scenario played out before the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes, “who say they are Jews and are not but do lie”. Jesus made it well known that His sheep, the ones “follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth” will suffer persecution, scorn, and mockery simply because of the Truth they share. They will be called legalists, Jesus freaks, fanatics, fundamentalists…expected…

            Are the crazy ones the ones who open their Bibles and trust in the God who penned it rather than a Pope or a priest to interpret the sayings for them? Who is in error…thus saith the LORD or thus saith Pope? Like the faithful wife when given overwhelming evidence that her husband is cheating on her, she still remains faithful to her, pope…eh, uh…husband.

            And that person who made the video was a Catholic for 30 years….and ran into people just like me that would tell them that the RCC is home of anitchrist…and you know what he did to shut up people like me…he opened a Bible…I suggest you do the same.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I’m not Catholic, I used to be. And I know what I did and didn’t do, and what I did and didn’t believe. And I’ve always got fundamentalists asking me why I worshipped statues and Mary and the pope and it gets old after a while.

            The pope or priest interpreting things was for the longest time what stopped people from going and forming 30 bazillion other denominations of Christianity..

            And where oh where does this idea come from that Catholics don’t read their Bibles? I always read mine, and Bible readings always happened during mass. 30 year veterans of Catholicism can still be hoodwinked by snake oil salesman, I suggest that’s what happened here.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            So who is doing the hoodwinking…God? Confused 😮

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Ultra-conservative fundamentalist pastors, member of the Ku Klux Klan, that sort of thing.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            Understandable. I have never been a fan of politics and Jesus calls upon those who serve Him to maintain a clear separation between church and state. Give unto Caesars what is Caesars and unto God what is God’s. This was the major flag for me when examining the Vatican State…it is both a religious entity and a political entity…simultaneously…Any one who claims any political party and proclaim Christian…do not have their hearts set on heavenly minded things. It is and will always be self interests.

            Name some names of those who you suppose are ultra-conservative….I’d almost assure you these men are not as they appear…just by using a Bible and proper spiritual discernment. Like Westboro…they claim they are and may appear as such but their unbridled tongues confirm otherwise. Ye shall know them by their fruits…

          • Alleena

            Again nonsense. Where do you live that Christians are constantly coming into your space and pushing their religion in your face? I’ve lived in many places in this country, and it has never happened to me.

          • Matthew46

            It’s happened to me time and time again, both at the door and on the street. It’s on TV 24/7 too. Our tax money goes out to your churches and your schools. Christianity cannot say it is being persecuted in any way at all. In any case fundamentalism doesn’t represent mainstream Christianity because you are a minority cult within the greater body, nothing more.

          • James Grimes

            “Our tax money goes out to your churches and your schools.” Really? Where does this happen?

          • Matthew46

            starting in Canada:

            – $4.2
            Million to the Newman Theological College

            – $3.2 million to Youth for Christ in Winnipeg

            – $192,000 to the world of Truth Christian Center

            – $495,600 to Wycliffe Bible Translators

            -$357,146 to Chakam School of the Bible Inc.

            – $198,951 to National Evangelical Spiritual Baptist Faith International Centre
            of Canada

            – $84,110 to Eastside Church of God

            – $2.9 million to Redeemer University College

            – $2.614 million to Trinity Western University

            – $1,0 million to Global Kingdom Ministries Community Center, Toronto

            – $544,813 to Crossroads Christian Communications

            For a GRAND
            TOTAL OF $15,786,626 at last count.

          • James Grimes

            If your information is correct, then that is a good report. Hopefully, there will be more coming.

          • Matthew46

            No, James. It’s welfare and nothing more. The churches survive by selling an imaginary cure for an imaginary problem by offering unsupported imaginary bandages.

          • Skeeter McClusky

            In other words…your ignorance of Christ gives you the right to say that Christians are not to tell others about Him…hmmmm, seems to me that He commanded all who believe in Him to: “Go and make disciples of all people…” – so for a Christian it is not an option to tell about the beauty, the wonder, the joy, the peace that comes with knowing Jesus…and then, on the day of judgement you will be without excuse because you heard the Gospel but rejected it…how sad that day will be for you.

          • Matthew46

            He also said that he was sent to ONLY the lost sheep of Israel and directed his apostles to avoid gentile towns, that he would be back before they finished all the towns in Israel. His apostles were preaching Judaism, not Christianity. There was no Christianity while he was alive nor for years afterward. Paul invented your man-god and the religion grew in Rome, borrowing most of what it believes from pagan religions – i.e. virgin birth and sacrificial men gods.

          • Arrie

            Are you sure it was Paul?

            Acts 2
            29“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you
            of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Therefore, being a prophet,
            and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ,
            that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33Therefore
            being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He
            poured out this which you now see and hear.34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
            ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
            “Sit at My right hand,
            35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
            36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”37Now when they heard this,
            they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”38Then Peter said to them,
            “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and
            to your children, and
            to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

          • lorasinger

            Re: ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
            “Sit at My right hand,
            .
            This is taken from Isaiah and should be: the LORD (God) said to my Lord (David), Sit at my right hand – and has be incorporated into the NT story.
            ……………………….
            The man-god Jesus is mythical and his writers, basing their writings on Paul’s doctrine, could put whatever words they wanted into his mouth.
            .
            1. Without an earthly father, Jesus had no claim to the lineage of David.

            2. Re: “let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified”. Israel didn’t crucify Jesus. Romans crucified (Roman punishment) him for a crime against Rome. If the Jews wanted to kill him, they would have stoned him.

            3. Josephus writing in the first century knew John the Baptist and has attested that “Baptism” was used to cleanse and sanctify the body. It wasn’t used for remission of sins.

            4. Jews and that would include Jesus, would know that human sacrifice was forbidden because God abhors it, and God also said that every person must atone for their own sins. This was written in the Torah and Jesus said he upheld Torah, that its laws stood to the end of time.

          • Arrie

            Christians like to tell you about Jesus Christ because they love Jesus Christ very much, oh, and there is this:

            Matthew 28
            18And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and
            make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

          • wandakate

            YESTERDAY987G: That child is possessed right now with Satan. She has been influenced by demons and her evil mother who is responsible for this child. There are I’m sure many children that are just like this one, and it’s so sad, just breaks my heart. I pray that GOD will rescue this child in the name of JESUS.

          • Matthew46

            Superstitious nonsense!

          • Matthew46

            NO, your street preachers don’t engage in “discussion”. They preach their memorized lines and TELL you, no, they DEMAND that you must believe their credulous story or you go to the hell invented by Christianity.

          • Sue Arnold

            Everyone has the right of free speech, the difference between the people you mention is they are preaching hate and murder, the Christian preacher is preaching God’s love, mercy and forgiveness.All anyone needs to do is listen to child’s words to an innocent man to tell the difference.

          • Skeeter McClusky

            Screaming at a person in a hate filled manner breaks the boundary of “obligation and responsibility” that frame “free speech.” The little girl is being rude and her parents are to blame – they should be ashamed of themselves for raising a child to be a selfish, self-centered brat. And your lack of understanding of the Constitution is just as shameful. Ignorance is not an excuse for being a rebellious citizen.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            “Screaming at a person in a hate filled manner breaks the boundary of “obligation and responsibility” that frame “free speech.”

            Precisely what the man in the video is doing. I would very much like to enjoy my dinner without some twit screaming at me that I’m going to burn in hell.

          • wandakate

            DREAMINGOFPAN: The Satanist, Muslim or Wiccan don’t have the POWER of JESUS CHRIST. They (none of them) are able to determine who will and will not be allowed into the Kingdom of GOD. None of them can give the breath of life and then take it away when we die. They don’t have that POWER or know how. HE is strong, and we are week, we just think we are strong.
            Only GOD’s message will do us any good, all the rest are of no use for eternity.

          • Matthew46

            Pre-supposing there is a “Kingdom of God”. Your odds of having chosen the right god are about 1000:1.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            So do those who don’t like the constant preaching.

          • DreamingOfPan

            You are correct. I just wish that Christians would reciprocate such “tolerance.” Even brief research shows quite a volume of instances of Christians trying to shut down/stop non-Christian public events or affect equal rights laws. It’s hypocrisy at best. But yes, we can choose to ignore preachers.

          • Nan

            It’s Christian holidays that aren’t allowed in schools, not those of any other religion.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Last time I checked, Christmas, regardless of some of its pagan elements, is still a celebration of Christ and family, no? I think it should be an all or nothing situation – either allow them all or allow none. I agree with you on having fairness. I feel like you’re trying too hard to paint me as a negative person.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            Christmas or ChristMASS is far from being a celebration of the birth of Jesus, a date that isn’t even mentioned in the Scriptures. Its 100% pagan with a stamp of Jesus that was used to lure the Protestant church into apostasy…and it worked.

            http://www.remnantofgod.org/xmas.htm

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Actually schools should not promote ay religion. That is what kids have parents and churches for. Any religion whose parents and priests are not capable of teaching is in bad shape.
            Now what other religions are taught in school?

          • Alleena

            You are making things up as you go. Give one example.

          • DreamingOfPan

            http://florida.newszap.com/belleglade/122791-113/summer-solstice-pagan-festival-has-pahokee-residents-outraged?fb_comment_id=fbc_198309993652046_691033_198342696982109#f3ec77cd2eda4ee

            http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/man-busted-for-beheading-warlock-after-disagreements-over-witchcraft/

            http://patch.com/florida/newportrichey/inidents-at-pagan-author-s-home-raise-concerns#photo-14073165

            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/18/pagan-mom-challenges-bibles-in-north-carolina-school/
            (she later received a death threat)

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/boy_army.htm (Rep.
            Bob Barr (R-GA-7) has been a United States Attorney, and currently serves on the House Judiciary, Government Reform and Banking Committees. He was offended that the U.S. army extended equal religious freedom to all soldiers on the Fort Hood, TX, army base, including Wiccans. He attempted to pressure the army into terminating religious freedoms for Wiccans on all army bases. This inspired a coalition of conservative Christian groups to mount a boycott against army recruitment, until the U.S. Army complied with Rep. Barr’s wishes.)

            Witch hunts/violence in Africa and South America
            (look it up) or scroll through these lovely headlines: http://www.whrin.org/category/news/

            http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-14-wiccan-soldier_x.htm

            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/17/university-missouri-guide-asks-professors-to-accommodate-wiccan-pagan-holidays/
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J22mI-P0a1M
            (this one isn’t from Christians “directly,” but still relates to negative efforts by certain media)

            http://patch.com/florida/newportrichey/inidents-at-pagan-author-s-home-raise-concerns#photo-14073165

            http://www.seekerstemple.com/problems-in-beebe/
            And there are plenty more.

          • dave10000

            That’s not true at all anymore and has not been for quite sometime. The greater part of our country are Christian adherents whether cultural or more religiously so…insomuch as we founded on those principles they are standing up for a community standard. What you purposefully leave out is WHAT they are choosing to shut down. Let me guess…they were “shutting down” you dance bar? No…you’re right they do not do that…Oh, maybe it was they were shutting down your pornography production facility? Nope, America produces more of it than any… Did they perhaps shut down your occult religion? Gee, I cant find that either. So…Just WHAT “research” do you have that “proves” your point here?

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Other people have an equal right not to have religion shouted at them. Christian rights are not above other people’s rights. People have a right to be left alone on afters of religion.

          • Nan

            The problem is that the Constitution enshrines both freedom of speech and freedom of religion so government can’t accommodate your desire.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Actually the practice of your religion is not without limit when it disturbs others. Only your right to believe is absolute. Your right to practice is limited by the problems it causes others. Hence a noisy church late at night can be cited for disturbing its neighbors. We also don’t allow an Muslim to have four wives though it is okay in his religion. And if I decided that human sacrifice was needed in my religion that would not be allowed either.

            The major change in our laws is that Christianity no longer has special rights not allowed to other religions which it once enjoyed for much of our history. The government used to take an active part in forcing Christianity on America Indians to the point of denying food to starving Indians if they did not convert to Christianity. Our Supreme court never heard a case o religious freedom until 1947 she it heard its first case on whether a child could be forced to pledge allegiance to the flag when pledging to anything but God was against their religious beliefs.

            So real religious credo only start s to be considered within y life tie. Before that it could be open season on minority religions One of the last way the stop minority religions was misuse of owing laws. That was not taken on until they passed the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act in 2000 Ironically that was supported by both the religious right and the ACLU. That not only gave minority religions protections fro issue of zoning acts but also for the first time protected minority religious rights of people I institution. Even so those rights still have to be fought for in court even to this day. I have been following the progress of real religious freedom in our country for the last thirty years of my life. We still have quite a few Christians that do not understand freedom of religion is for all religions and not only Christians. We even have some that would limited religious freedom to only to very conservative Christianity, get rid of our Constitution and use something they call Biblical Law with a lot of death sentences for things they don’t lie. Read up on Christian Dominionism. Sort of the Christian version of the Taliban.
            http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dominionism

          • Nan

            You’re right, Christianity is being marginalized and Islam is being forced on people. Many Muslims do have 4 wives, even in the US; the extra wives travel as cousins and go on welfare.

          • MAC59

            Take it up with the city that gave both sides a permit.

          • Matthew46

            It can when you become a noisy nuisance with a megaphone.

          • Matthew46

            When free speech becomes loud and annoying, it has reached its limit and then becomes a public nuisance. How about a muslim coming into your church with a bullhorn to begin converting – how long would he last? Apply it to yourself. That young man went in there with the deliberate intent of causing a problem. Have some respect for others and keep the preaching in your churches.

          • Daniel Hudson

            Feel that we have a right, just don’t preach it in public so your fair ears don’t have to listen to the truth right? And how else will a person learn of Jesus without hearing of Jesus? Oh that’s right the supermen Aliens will teach them telepathically!

            First of all, lets also teach the lessons of the Muslims, how the Jews feared the Muslims in the 5th century because of their ways in beheading the non-believers. You don’t hear much about it because you’re right, as soon as the Christian in Armor showed up, Muslims started getting their asses handed to them. Hence the reason they attacked on 9-11. Hence the reason the Jews decided ‘forget the Muslims we fear the Christians now.’ You wanted a history lesson, I gave you one right from the history books of Jerusalem.

            Secondly, I have many homosexuals in my family, I don’t preach for hatred against the homosexual community. I preach out of love and fear that they will end up in a place that we seem to not teach about anymore, because of pretty little ears such as yourself not wanting to be offended anymore. Well guess what, again, how are they going to learn the truth, without someone to guide them to the truth? Oh that’s right the Giant reptilian Alien Supermen.

            See being offended is a two way street. America was a nation founded on God, and when we put God at the forefront of everything, America was the strongest Superpower, Strongest Economy, and Strongest source of Moral guidance in the World. Soon as we started pandering to offended pretty little ears like yours, we lost everything. God gives us the Government we deserve. And we deserve hell because everyone has turned from him.

          • christina

            AMEN. Exactly….AND IF YOU DONT KNOW…NOW YOU KNOW!

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Claiming to speak truth does to necessarily make what you say the truth.

          • DreamingOfPan

            The preaching doesn’t “offend” me in the slightest. What offends me is that the attitude seems to be that Christians spouting off about us “sinners” is ok and should be tolerating, but any backlash against should not be tolerated. It’s bullcrap hypocrisy and you know it. As for speaking the “truth,” it’s “your” truth. If it works for you fine, if not, that’s fine too. Would you extend your tolerance to a Satanist or Muslim preaching about how their way is the “one true way”, say, right next to a Christian picnic/celebration in a public park? I doubt it severely. They would be harassed, cops would be called to “remove” the person, etc. Americas was most certainly NOT founded on “god” – but honestly that’s not the topic of discussion here.

          • Matthew46

            No, America was founded by people who fled the old country to escape state religion and the murder that went along with it. The quakers and puritans immediately on landing here were vying for top dog position and so the constitution was drawn up to keep religion and state separate. This country was created secular. You were free to practice whatever religion you wished but you could not inflict it on others by law.

          • James Grimes

            Dreaming, you really show your arrogance by coming to a Christian site and spouting off your negative trash. It is people like you that give Christians a motive for going out and preaching the Gospel. Just remember two things tough – what you say here is meaningless and your presence on this site is insignificant.

          • Yesterday987G

            Maybe Dreaming is here to learn truth. We should love him like Yeshua loves him. It is our calling.

          • Nan

            Dreaming knew the truth and rejected it.

          • Yesterday987G

            I don’t believe he was taught the truth. The catholic church is full of man made ceremonies, heck, it’s very roots are paganism. They just injected a blonde haired blue eyed Jesus where Horus used to be.

          • Matthew46

            The moment you “accepted” the God/virgin = a sacrificial man-god who is resurrected, you yourself chose the pagan way. There are no men-gods in Judaism, nor are there virgin births, or resurrected god-men who die for the sins of man. Consider, Jesus was born and died a Jew and said that he upheld the Law (Torah) which was to be in force to the end of time..

          • DreamingOfPan

            What is so negative and trashy about what I’ve had to say? It’s called discussion. Your hateful statements and lame attempts to insult me do nothing but show you as the fearful, narrow-minded person that you are. YOU sir, are the type of person that gives other, rational Christians a bad name.

          • Rose

            A little hypocritical isn’t it? It’s my opinion that if someone goes off and spats rude comments to another one that it’s easier to stay calm and actually think. But stooping down to an uneccesary level and resorting to insults isn’t going to help you, especially when we understand that God loves us and when his opinion is the only one that matters.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Of course you bash me and not him. Typical. He flat out insults me and I reply that his doing so is out of fear and narrow-mindedness – because it is. I could have just called him a jackass, but it does no good. He says other equally repugnant stuff in other comments, too. Generally, if you look at my comments here overall, I’ve been quite polite and calm.

          • Rose

            Nope, You’re stopping to his level. You just said that he’s speaking out of fear and narrow mindedness. I spoke to him about it once, and he said he just doesn’t tolerate people who come and say rude things. And you’re doing the same thing. The difference is we have nothing to fear, we’ve accepted God.

          • DreamingOfPan

            I guess he got my knickers twisted a little 🙂 BUT I originally didn’t say anything I thought to be to rude to him or others. Blunt perhaps, but I had no intention of being rude.

          • Rose

            Okay, I believe you 🙂 God bless

          • Matthew46

            RE: you really show your arrogance by coming to a Christian site and spouting off….
            …………………….
            BUT you are OK with a street preacher to go out to a site where Halloween is being celebrated and noisely interfering with it, aren’t you?

          • James Grimes

            A busy-body Atheist telling a Christian how he should act on a Christian forum… The nerve of these people; who do they think they are anyway?

          • Matthew46

            Assuming that I’m an atheist. Typical. You are defending a street preacher interfering with people engaged in their own secular activities and you defend HIM. Do his activities in your mind, warrant the same outrage? As you say, “the nerve of these people” – thinking they can do was WE, the privileged, do “Who do they think they are anyway. Yes, who DO you think you are?

          • James Grimes

            I’m not interested.

          • Matthew46

            Good. It means you’re seeing your own hypocrisy, aren’t you?

          • James Grimes

            Don’t assume anything. I don’t give Atheists any credibility and I don’t take them seriously. I find their presence on Christian News to be laughable and very entertaining. Keep up the great work.

          • Matthew46

            That’s a good way to keep your mind closed and uncluttered by facts. Whether or not I’m an atheist (I’m not) doesn’t matter. You can remain reading your edited, mistranslated and forged bible and believing every word of it or you can take the trouble to step outside of the box the church keeps you in and research reputable historians outside the church.

          • GreeLee

            “as long as they don’t infringe on others rights or cause harm to others” – you mean like shouting them down and telling them to shut their pie-holes?

          • DreamingOfPan

            A little girl telling you to shut up is hardly infringing upon your rights. Her actions were not ideal, I acknowledge that. What originally prompted me to write anything at all on here was the vitriolic reaction in the comments. It was almost like no one was taking a moment to try and understand the frustrations of the other side. From what I understand, the street corner stuff goes on all the time in Salem. Whether done out of genuine love (in your religion, your calling so-to-speak) or not, just like you may find a pagan gathering or statue (or whatever) “offensive”, some non-Christians find it offensive for someone to stand there and blatantly insult their chosen beliefs (with all the sinner/rot in hell talk that some of them do). I guess it’s a no-win situation though.

          • Rose

            You’re continuing to ruin your argument sir. You say that we’re not understanding her side of the story yet it seems like you don’t understand ours. It is my understanding that this preacher was told by God to go here and preach despite the unwelcoming area. The preacher went and did as he was told, and my congrats to that. The girl didn’t like what she was hearing and started telling him to shut up and ‘jesus blah blah blah’ and ‘nobody’s listening to you’. So she didn’t just say for him to shut up. You say that we’re not understanding her fustration. If i didn’t believe in a God and i was an aggressive atheist, i’d be frustrated. But God is real, and it’s our job as christians to spread the gospel. I see both sides, and with the benefit of the doubt. Do you?

          • DreamingOfPan

            I’m a woman. I understand your side perfectly. And I have no problem with preachers in general, they are doing what they feel they need to do. Read some of my other comments and you may have a better understanding of my viewpoint.

          • Rose

            You say you understand us but from your other comments you’re not giving us the benefit of the doubt. I understand you’re standing up for your belief but it’s unnecessary on a Christian site. We’re set on our ways.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Communication is a good thing, regardless of the forum. But, yes, I know… We can politely disagree 🙂

          • Rose

            True

          • Nan

            The most negative people about Christianity are those mad at God. She’s an ex-Catholic and I’ll pray through the intercession of St. Eligius that she return home.

          • Rose

            St. Eligius?

          • Nan

            7th Century Bishop and saint. He began as a goldsmith and wasted no gold, nor did he steal any from royal commissions. He found relics of saints whose burial places had been lost in time, founded convents and monasteries. He also converted many pagans.

          • Nan

            7th Century Bishop and saint. He began as a goldsmith and wasted no gold, nor did he steal any from royal commissions. He found relics of saints whose burial places had been lost in time, founded convents and monasteries. He also converted many pagans.

          • Rose

            Ooooh

          • Matthew46

            And the people who’ve seen through the myth, ticked because they had been fooled for so long by fairytale.

          • Nan

            Did you voice an opinion when the satanists were profaning Mass by purporting to have a Black mass, with hosts that were stolen? In one case, the venue didn’t go ahead because it was in the news and there was Adoration. Yes. Catholics protest things they don’t like with prayer; Mass and Adoration. In the other case, the Abp. sued for the return of the Host as the only way to obtain it was by fraudulently presenting as Catholic at Mass and not consuming the Host or by outright theft of a host from a church. Nobody thought there was a problem with a mockery of Mass, nobody thought there was an issue with denigrating the beliefs of Catholics.

            Why do you think you’re so special that people should bow down to your beliefs and refrain from sharing their beliefs?

          • DreamingOfPan

            This is what I’m talking about – Satanists, Christians, Muslims, whatever – they can SAY anything they wish. As for the stealing of hosts, I wasn’t aware of that and I would condemn it. Theft is wrong. I have no problem with peaceful protest. But some groups/people go too far – for example, I listed some links to articles in a different comment here. Try not to take my criticism of preaching as “an annoyance to some” as me being anti-Christian. They can preach away…but… keep in mind that people should be able to reasonably “do their thing” in peace (eg, Wiccan festivals, Halloween celebrations, etc.).

          • Arrie

            Yes, but they do their thing freely, every day.
            I can just look around me and see that these religions are freely doing what they want to do, so if someone is compelled to preach on Halloween evening, why shout him down. The young man did not seem phased by that too much any case. I would bring the girl child’s manners in question, for the simple reason, I would not allow my daughter to behave in such a way, it is just not done. Respect is void for this child – I would fear for her teens when influences towards drugs and many other evils are prevalent – without the required self respect and respect for authority – where is she to end up.
            That is my fear for her, the parents should take greater responsibility, for their own sake, heart ache of a broken child later on is not worth it. I’m not trying to be negative or binding, but come on, we can all see how things are going out there.

          • http://livingfortruth.wordpress.com/ living for truth

            Well, you don’t say? Jesus died for sin, and lgbt is sin, how can they turn from that sin when society, esp the liberal Mohammedan loving media who looks the other way with all their murder, but hates Christians, are telling these people every day that they are more than fine to keep practicing it and that if they did want to stop they are doomed to go back to it. That little girl and her mother are demonically controlled, it is sad really. I pray for them and you, that all of you can experience the Love that God has for you, and that you will forgive those who have harmed you, as Jesus did the act of ultimate forgiveness for all of you.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Why do you believe? Seriously. What makes you truly think that Jesus, if he did indeed exist, did anything for you? And spare me the “it’s in the bible” line. Why do you think a natural state of being (LGBT), and yes it is natural – there is plenty of it in the animal kingdom – is a “sin”? Don’t need a middle man to forgive those who’ve wronged me. Plenty of love in this world, in so many places, with or without Jesus.

          • Rose

            We believe because he is real. We believe because the facts in the bible AND seen all around us shows us that God is alive and that Jesus did indeed come and save us all. And sorry, but being LGBT is indeed a sin and no it is not natural. And it’s important to remember that God is love. So when you state that there’s plenty of love in the world, you are stating that God is everywhere. 🙂

          • DreamingOfPan

            Burden of proof is on you. The bible is a collection of books written by men. What makes you think a deity “wrote” them? Why do you think there is a deity at all? What is a sin, as you put it? And yes, sorry, it is a proven fact that there is homo/bi/a/sexuality all throughout nature… which your god made supposedly – look it up. Love is a concept, not a deity. And yes, love is all over the place. Your logical fallacies are amazing. But whatever, we shall just disagree.

          • Rose

            Yes the bible is a collection of books written by men, but men of God. It’s full of stories about the men of God, their walk with God, and facts about his existence. I believe there is a deity because the facts prove it. It’s more reasonable that an all powerful God made the earth compared to an accident. And nope, sorry if it’s not. It’s a sin, which is an intentional act of disobedience. Nobody can love like God, and God is the one who gave us the ability to love. He is love. The only thing you said that was correct was that we shall disagree. Sorry

          • John_33

            There’s also pedophilia and infanticide among animals too. Sometimes the young murder each other to eliminate competition for food – using your logic, we should emulate those practices too because it’s found in nature. The problem with that argument is that we aren’t animals. We are self-conscious human beings with hardwired consciences that tell us right from wrong – something that animals do not have. As such, we are responsible for our actions. As for why these animals do these things, it wasn’t this way before humanity sinned. After humanity sinned, things fell apart. We now have violence, competition, and death. All that is wrong in creation will be fixed and restored to the way it should be when Jesus comes back.

            As for the Bible, if it were just the words of men, then the books would disagree (dozens of authors with over sixty books spanning over one thousand years, yet they contain one coherent message), and the authors would not record their faults and mention the times when God judged them for their actions. Why would they? If anyone was going to create a fake religion, then they’d make themselves a superhero or a god, or they’d make the religion so vacuous and open-minded that all members could do anything they wanted with no regrets or punishment – the complete opposite of what is found in the Bible.

            As for the definition of sin, it’s simply anything that God has condemned. Disobedience to God? It’s a sin because God has commanded us to love and obey Him. Disobedience to our mother and father? It’s a sin because God has ordained parents for their roles and commanded children to obey their parents. Since God doesn’t change, His moral standards don’t change either. Murder is always wrong. Theft is always wrong. Idolatry is always wrong. When looking at what is sinful or not, it’s easy to see a pattern: anything that God has declared to be sinful is destructive to us. It’s not that God wants to keep us from the ‘good’ stuff. If it was good, then God would have given it to us long ago. He warned about these practices to protect us from evil.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Yes, we are animals. Science 101 – mammalian kingdom. Look up animal empathy – elephants for example. In recent years much has been discovered about the emotional range of other species. I have no problem if someone personally doesn’t agree with non-hetero sexual practices. The problem comes in when there are mass efforts to diminish those people’s basic rights. Plus unfortunately, they as a group are subject to violence, often due to religious beliefs.
            Your definition of sin is interesting, but I will politely disagree. I question things, especially claims of absolute “authority.” Thank you for your reply.

          • John_33

            We aren’t animals; that’s misguided science based on evolution, which assumes common ancestry with primates.

            The problem is that you are assuming that homosexuality is a basic right. What else is a basic right? Pedophilia is found in nature. Is pedophilia a basic right? Why not? Is bestiality a basic right? What about incest? All of these practices are found in nature. This is the problem: the same arguments used for homosexuality are being used right now in the courts to argue for legalizing incest. It’s not about what is right or wrong, but it’s about people trying to legalize practices that they wish to engage in. It has nothing to do with basic rights.

          • Yesterday987G

            Dreaming, it does seem like you are searching for truth. I know eternity is set in the hearts of men, so you do question. Keep searching, you will find it 🙂 I am sorry you have such a skewed view of true Christianity. If it makes you feel any better, us Christians get a little weary of the wolves in sheep’s clothing ourselves.

          • paulette barrow

            LOVE THE SINNER NOT THE SIN,I THINK YOUR CONFUSED

          • BrieAnne Estes

            Are you kidding me! Who are the first people setting up shelter and food distribution when disasters strike? Christians (and they are the last to leave). You know those doctors and health professionals in Africa helping with the Ebola crisis, many of whom are Christians themselves? Yeah, they’re working through this great CHRISTIAN organization called Samaritan’s Purse. And there are still Christian organizations in Haiti committed to help them rebuild from the terrible earthquake. You think Christianity is derogatory towards women? You can’t be serious, Jesus himself helped elevate women in ancient society. You need to do some homework. Especially since even in this modern era, in many Muslim countries, Muslim women are no more valuable than the cow or goats outside. She is owned. If you actually tried you can find news you’d see or read every single day about some Muslim woman who has been stoned to death just because she left the home without a male escort or maybe she spoke her mind a little too freely to her husband, father, or brother. And then there is barbaric practice of removing female genitalia of young children so they can NEVER enjoy intimacy. These are all practiced in the so called “peaceful” religion of Islam. Who was it that flew planes into the World Trade Center buildings? The correct answer is Islamic Terrorists. Now, what is ISIS that’s causing such terror globe wide? Oh yes, Islamic Terrorists. And how many Christians have they murdered this year already? Over 150,000, but hey, I wonder why you don’t see that in the American news. As far as “infringing on other’s rights” or “causing harm” while practicing our Christian faith, again, do your homework. Stop going back to the ancient years gone by, study True Christianity in this modern era. Maybe you’ll get it. I’ll be praying that you do.

          • DreamingOfPan

            I don’t know what slant you’re going off on here. I never said Christians don’t do any good for others, never even implied it. As for the persecution of women, I was making a general statement of women overall, regardless of faith. I am well aware of how they are treated in the Muslim world. If you’re saying that CERTAIN Christian groups don’t try their darn best to infringe on others’ rights, you’re playing ostrich or are uniformed. Controversies over statues in public offices, attempts to shut down peaceful gatherings of pagans, ostracizing in the workplace and communities, anti-science efforts, people have been killed (look it up in the news) for being so-called witches, efforts against recognition of minority faiths in various forums (such as an attempt to the placement of a pentacle on a soldier’s gravestone). And there’s much more.

          • Nan

            Anti-science? Oh, please, where would science be without the Catholic Church? Note that the Pentagon has requirements for symbols that can appear on soldiers’ graves, not anyone else.

            The problem is that you’re more interested in whining about the little things but at the same time think that Christianity should be out of the public sphere. You can’t have it both ways. If Christians can’t preach on the streets of Salem, then no way should pagans get to gather in public or put pentacles on graves.

            Note also that when you say “ostracize” people do have freedom of association. If certain people aren’t interested in associating with those whose beliefs are that different from theirs, they don’t have to. If I worked with you, I would be required to interact with you only insofar as our jobs required it; there would be no mandate that I had to have lunch with you, take a walk with you or socialize with you outside of work hours.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Nope – I do not have any wish for Christianity to be “gone” as you say. Never said or implied so (especially if you browse some of my other comments). When I refer to ostracizing, I don’t mean casual relationships. People can do as they wish. I refer to law.

          • Nan

            Note that any time there’s a disaster, the Catholic Church is already there, in place to help because that’s what we have done throughout the ages.

          • Nan

            Since the constitution enshrines both freedom of speech and freedom of religion, the town of Salem can’t refuse to give street preachers a forum. And if you did research Christianity, you’d find that Christ elevated women to the same level of men when he allowed women to learn from him as did not happen in Roman traditions or Judaism. Christianity isn’t derogatory to LGBT people, loves the sinner while not condoning the sin. Note that loving the sinner but not the sin isn’t limited to LGBT people as we are all sinners.

          • Daniela A

            There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. Proverbs 14:12
            Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. Galatians 3:16
            Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. 2 Corinthians 13:1
            Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. Luke 24:44. Did you read the Old Testament? Have you read the New? Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:6! From the Old Testament to the New Testament and eyewitness of Jesus Resurrection are more than enough to establish the testimony that Jesus Christ is Lord, the Way, Truth and Life!! The tomb is empty! From being fed to lion, to human torches lighting up the gardens of Nero and all thru out the ages even till today He’s worthy for His name to suffer!!!

          • Matthew46

            The old testament has nothing to do with Christians. You’re under a new covenant, remember? Paul said the law was a curse and no longer applied, well neither does the book. You can’t have it both ways.

          • Alleena

            Oh, yes you do hate. You have a habit of projecting your true feelings onto others. Your idea of tolerance is people seeing things your way. And you no have no problem persecuting Christians who don’t meekly do things your way. You are the bigot.

          • dave10000

            I disagree that you think they have that right. You will be among the ones who encourage arrest of those who preach homosexuality as a sin…I am willing to bet a lot on that. You will remain silent because not only will you agree but you will justify…Why? Because you do not recognize any standards except the man made ones. That’s right, you look at standards as all coming from man and having no external force to them or absoluteness to them….As a result, standards can be ANYTHING you want. Abortion? No worry, call it a convenience and hey I’m important right? Pre-marital sex? Hey, who are YOU to judge…right? After all its 2014 not the Victorian era. Stealing? Only from the rich, after all, they’re “privileged” and did not deserve THAT much money…right? On and on and on we will go, why? Because man…people like YOU…set the standard. Yeaaaaaaa! That’s how we got Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot and more. So…continue to kick the God of Christianity out of schools so we can raise generations of kids having no external standards except what liberal progressives indoctrinate them with…I SURE (mocking voice) it will be much better for us!

          • Skeeter McClusky

            Deluded much????

        • Jenni Lovsey

          Really? Then He can do it in a church of his liking.

          • Yesterday987G

            And the troll pops it head out from under the bridge yet again. Icky troll.

          • James Grimes

            Here’s another off-the-wall comment that has no meaning. Jenni, why are you here? If it is to be a nuisance, then you are successful. If you came to learn, no one learns by spouting off their nonsense.

          • Matthew46

            James, there are a lot of things your church DIDN’T tell you and maybe it’s time YOU learn what they are?

        • fay

          Amen:)) Thank you Jesus!!

        • SlammedTiger

          How can you hear with all that corn in your ears? God doesn’t just pick people off the streets to preach His ideals. Most of those people are just people who are so in love with their belief that they want to tell everyone about it in a technically illegal fashion (i.e. this). The rest? Just crazy people who wanted attention. The fastest way to get attention is to spout nonsense about Christianity.

          Want to know how Priests are made? Not on a conveyor belt, children. They are chosen by a group of men with cloaks on, sitting in chairs. The people who try to become Priests need to go through basic schooling, give up certain basic rights and human needs to the Church, do some paperwork, hope that those old men in cloaks pick them, then finally they need to make sure that their Church is consistently giving money for the “cause”. Now you know, and knowledge is power. Or I guess you believe that knowing things is a sin, so I guess I’m the devil, right? Cool with me,

          EDIT: By the way, I threw in that second comment for fun. It’s fun to learn things.

      • dawnrosanne

        To dreamingofpan—-Christians are the most martyred group across the world, today and throughout history. Why? Because they bring the message of Jesus being the Son of God. There is nothing hateful or evil about Christianity. Jesus told his followers to love each other. A true Christian is going to proclaim the truth–that Jesus is the Son of God—even if it means being mocked, or beaten, or worse. This street preacher was simply following the commands of Christ when He said to “go out into all the world to share the message of Jesus Christ.” This street preacher cares about lost souls. This little girl is a lost soul who also needs Christ. If a person does not wish to hear the message of truth, they can walk away (and many do). In this case, the little girl was throwing insults and screaming at a preacher because her mother brought her up to believe that was acceptable. What is sad to me is that this little girl is being lied to by her parents and is being taught that Christianity is bad.

        • DreamingOfPan

          Most martyred group in history… wow. Sorry, wrong, you need a history lesson stat. Otherwise, nothing hateful or evil about Christianity? Really. So much violence has been done in the name of god, it’s disgusting. I personally have no problem with free speech and peaceful activism. But the hatred and general icky attitude towards the little girl’s actions is ridiculous and very hypocritical. People can preach all they like, and others have the right to respond in kind.

          • BKW

            Actually the Jews are the most persecuted group but Christians next in line. You are uneducated and misinformed. This kid is rude period. If she were screaming at gays or witches you would agree. Its not acceptable at all.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Actually WOMEN are the most persecuted “group” along with the animal kingdom, but I digress. I don’t really care who is the “most persecuted” group – it’s not a smurfin’ contest. I am quite educated, thank you. I don’t really care about an angry little girl venting some steam. People can yell all they like. They’re just words. Rude – sure. A problem? Not really. The problem is that the people celebrating would like to be left in peace. Christians want to do their thing in peace, then they need to grant others the same courtesy.

          • S_O_T_A

            You could simply walk away in that situation if you wanted ‘peace’. Don’t lie that you care about courtesy, you want Christians to shut up, and you would use force if necessary.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Please. Preachers can do as they like – doesn’t bother me. Hypocrites on the other hand, do.

          • Michelle Bowen

            DreamingofPan, I understand you grew up in the Catholic Church but it is not really a Church of God. The people there follow what the Pope and his Priests and Nuns tell them to do. They follow stale traditions and worship Mary instead of Jesus adn God. They do things that are stated in the Bible as blasphemous. You went to a church of lies, they persecuted Christians in the early years for trying to avoid this church. It is sad that the Catholic Church is as big as it is. BUT it is not the true word of God, they don’t understand that each person can have a relationship a personal relationship with God without using the Pope or his pipeline of people to speak to God and feel his presence. I grew up in the Baptist church but I am not baptist I am a CHRISTIAN! I believe in God, I believe in his love and kindness, and I believe in following him and not letting the world turn me from him. I know people who hate him are going to attack me like this little girl did t this man. I can deal with it, but the point is that this girl just shows us what the world thinks of Christians. In our Bibles in Revelations and parts of Matthew, they talk about the end times and how the world will turn on Jews and Christians, and they have. Its all so clear, and I will pray that you will realize that the things the Catholic Church taught were not what GOd wanted you to know. The catholic Church people are probably going to hate me for saying this. But its the most ‘satan’ based church ever. Its pointless…and sucks up pagan believes like mad. It is also the most opressive. Because everyone even if they are now Catholic are supposed to be respectful of the pope…who is just a man…and an idiot at that. I don’t respect him. Now I’d also liek to make a point the Muslims as long as peaceful have a right to preach, the jews have the right, gays have the right, satanist, and wicca’s and so on. So long as NOTHING is done to harm people. Like I said with Muslims because we know they are known for what tey started out as. Its not a lie. They say they watn to live like Mohammed who killed people who did not believe….so anyways the point is. As longa s they are peaceful tehre is no issue that I have. Like with any movement i don’t believe in I would just continue on my way and ignore them. Because guess what…just like we have the freedom of speech we also have the freedom of ignore! Its not that hard…..just focus on something else. Ignore is your right too but that wont’ shut us up and it won’t stop us from preaching because while you may be on ignore, another person may be on seeking…….and lost……and then they hear the word…….adn they believe in God……that is their right. Your idea of them ‘magically’ coming to us makes no sense. No one just magically comes to anyone else’s belief. Geesh…its stupid. God is our shepherd and like a flock of sheep we need him. He uses us as the light of the world…doesn’t mean we’re more special than you…it means we share his word, we show his love…and we be what he wants us to be. No what the world tells us to be. My morals don’t change with the latest fashion, so to speak. NOt that I am saying yours do. But there are some who do…….so honestly…you can ignore us all you want, but deep down inside, in that angery part…you want to know…you want to find God…you want more than what this world has to offer……I may not have money to my name and I and not famuos but I am the richest person…because of God…because of Jesus. I share his love…I share his truth…if you want to ignore that is your choice but deep inside…I know you’re lost and you want to hear about the truths of God not the lies the Catholic church pandered on you..I am sorry you grew up there! I am sorry you suffered under their lies and laws….women aren’t hated by God or Christians likek you believe…things that you think you knwo aren’t what you think they are. Again in my last post I said…I love you and I do. Plain as that..I will never give up praying for you…you’ll find the way soon. I have faith that you will come to understand the truth of God. Not the lies pandered by satan and the world…

          • Nan

            You don’t know anything about the Catholic Church. We don’t worship Mary. We ask her to intercede on our behalf with her son; same as if you went and asked your neighbor’s mom if she’d ask him to help you with something. Oh, and we don’t pray to dead people; saints are alive in heaven.

            It is the Catholic Church that canonized the Bible.

          • Nan

            All Hallows Eve is a Christian Holiday.

          • Jenni Lovsey

            So is that why neo con politicians are always kissing their asses?

          • BKW

            If you “knew” anything you would know being a Christian means being a follower of Christ. I can do anything In the name of anything I want but unless I am doing what is taught it means nothing. This excuse is lame and old and worn out.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Um, I know exactly what being a Christian means, which is why I am not one. Yes, you can do whatever you like in the name of whatever entity/thing/idea you like. I’m not saying you can’t. What I am saying is that if you do, be prepared for (and deal with) the inevitable backlash from those who have no desire to hear what you are saying. Like I said in a different comment, anyone with average intelligence can seek out spiritual paths… they don’t need “prodding.”

          • A. C.

            DreamingofPan you stated you were Catholic. This is religion, not relationship…this is the teaching of man, not the teaching of God. Religion kills. Jesus saves. You do not understand anything about Christianity, if you have a (Pagan)(Roman)Catholic background. In fact, leaving Catholicism to indulge in polytheism, wicca? or otherwise makes no sense. Just different coat of paint really on the same vehicle, which runs on the same fuel. The fact that the gospel msg of Jesus Christ as being the way, truth and the life, is so offensive, speaks for itself. Only Jesus removes sin and grants us eternal life. All spirits answer to our Lord who gave us Victory at Calvary.

          • Nan

            Oh, honey, Catholics have a close personal relationship with Christ, who they visit at least once a week in His home. You’re very misguided by the teaching of man. Only Jesus removes sins, through his priests as shown by his words to Peter – whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven, whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven.

          • A. C.

            The Bible is banned in 51 countries right now, several with the death penalty. Christians & Jews are indeed the most persecuted since the beginning of history. Unfortunately our history books gloss over these facts. Yes, so much violence has been done in the name of God, by groups like the Catholic church–a false, apostate church–which actually shares very much in common with your polytheistic believes DreamingofPan. You should be well aware of the clear proofs of witchcraft in that “church.” All groups who want to expand earthly kingdoms are operating out of selfish reasoning, claiming “God” is just an excuse. Which god are they truly serving? The God of Ancient Israel, and Modern Christianity, Yahweh, is not interested in earthly kingdoms! His kingdom is not of this world!

          • DreamingOfPan

            I find it sad that any religion is banned anywhere, including your own. We’ll have to just politely disagree about the “who is the most persecuted” stuff. Personally, I think Jesus was a cool guy with great ideas, mostly. Just like I believe that “Lucifer” – as a concept – is a symbol of the necessary “challenger” of man. I believe Buddha has some great teachings. MLK did too. So does my dog. I see “divinity” all around me – I just don’t follow the whole “jesus/mohammed/whomever” as savior thing, etc. Make sense?

          • Nan

            And again, blasphemy. It is the Catholic Church that Christ founded and against which the gates of hell shall not prevail. It is the Catholic Church that canonized the Bible. It is the Catholic saints who recorded the information about Christ’s life.

        • Jenni Lovsey

          Uhhh, NO they are not. Quit spouting BS that isnt true.

          • Yesterday987G

            Jenni, please provide texts of antiquity that show Jews and Christians were not persecuted. Have you studied Tacitus’ documentation? Let me guess, you believe the Holocaust was a fairy tale. Until you can provide historical documents, you sound like a fool.

          • Nan

            Hell, just read the news from the Middle East where Christians and Jews are being killed by Muslims.

      • Lulu Reynolds

        We talking the Catholic Church here dreamingof or? Because if that is your beef take it to the vatican. And yes it is sad that parents raise their children to do this sort of thing..how is this any better than someone standing yelling at a gay person? None, it’s the same vile hate being spewed by idiots.

        • DreamingOfPan

          I have a beef with any religion that at best, won’t leave others the heck alone, or at worst espouses condemning views of others who aren’t like them. In this case, it’s just a little girl who got angry. I agree her yelling wasn’t the best response, but again, she is young. People get angry when others constantly harass them about whatever religion they are into.

          • Arentorea

            I can understand where you’re coming from. At the same time, by studying other religions we can know their motives. At the heart of all religions/beliefs (atheists are included because they too believe in something, even if it’s not God) everyone believes that they are in the right and that they know the truth. Even if it’s not “religion,” everyone is constantly imposing their views/beliefs/ideologies on others. It’s nothing to get angry about, but rather. it’s great to stay open minded and learn and accept what they believe even if you don’t agree at all. We’re all human beings with thoughts and feelings and everyone deserves to be treated with respect.

            That being said, Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for the sins of the whole world. We know how the saying goes that “no one is perfect,” and that’s the whole problem. Only perfect people can go to Heaven. Since no one is, Christ died the death we all deserve in our place for us. It doesn’t matter what race, gender, or age you are, just by believing that you’ve been died for means you are saved. That’s it. No having to go door to door and share the message, no having to fast, no having to go to church every Sunday, it’s just by faith that you’re saved. And it’s not that we have to do anything, but rather, that we get to love others as Christ has loved us.

            It’s not hateful to share that message because Christians don’t want anyone to go to Hell. In fact, a hateful Christian would say nothing at all so their neighbors would go to Hell and not be forgiven for everything they’ve ever done wrong in their life. The idea is Christians get to go to Heaven even thought they know FULL WELL that they DON’T deserve to. If you don’t like what I’m saying then that’s alright too. You have the freedom to take it or leave it. Besides, I’m not the judge, God is. Have a wonderful rest of your day (or evening!)

      • teppy

        LOL oh please get over yourself and little fairy tail make believe stories of love nature and worship trees and blah blah blah and the child rapes and sacrifices in honor of such crap way before the Christians came along!! but soon enough you will see your demise when its too late and people like me will say ” yup! told ya so!” you have an eventful day

        • DreamingOfPan

          Such vitriol. Whatever, you can’t even spell correctly. It’s funny that you assume I worship trees. Never claimed to be a spokesperson – I call it like I see it. Keep spreading your hate though – you’re a perfect example of why Christians are being despised more and more. The level of intolerance and ostrich-like behavior is astounding. Peace. I think I’ll go hug a tree now.

          • A. C.

            DreamingofPan I applaud your fervent faith for whatever it is exactly that you believe in. While it does not matter what each of us believes as far as affecting the universe, i.e. the order of all things has been established, it does affect our own individual lives, and our eternal fate. I pray and hope that you will come out of the darkness unto the light….Because Light always overpowers darkness. Yeshua is the light and if you call out to him He will answer. The day will come when you will need Him. Remember. And while you are at it hugging trees, hug him, because He is the tree of life 🙂 Blessings

          • DreamingOfPan

            What makes you think I’m in darkness? All life has dark & light elements. Balance. It’s this “otherness” aspect that many people assign to “divinity” that I disagree with. We are all “god” in my humble opinion. As in, we are all connected in light & dark. But these are abstract concepts anyways. Peace.

        • Jenni Lovsey

          Shut the hell up you uninformed holy rolling troll!

        • Gina Marie

          You are a Troll and NOT a TRUE Christian if you talk like this! Jesus WOULD NEVER speak to anyone like you are here. Remember the woman caught in adultery? Did Jesus talk and treat her like you are this woman? NO!!!! You need to repent. Jesus ONLY Spoke to “RELIGIOUS” people like you in the way your talking to Dreaming..

          • Nan

            What about the moneylenders and dove sellers?

      • Jonny Merciless

        How can people come to Christ if there are those that dont know of him or even how to establish a relationship with him, everybody has the right to to free speech because of the 1st amendment, Homosexuals have the right to say whats on their mind as well as those who follow Lucifer and as do you so why are you denying believers to preach the word of God when in the Bible it is told to us to preach to the world about Jesus to all the world and no not everybody accepts like you but there are others that are happy to receive his Word and blessing and come to Christ

        • DreamingOfPan

          People can research spirituality and come to their own conclusions. I am not denying anyone’s right to free speech. What I question is the forum, the frequency, and the sometimes borderline harassment. If Christians can accept a Wiccan or Satanist or whomever, preaching at all of their public events, then fine. But that is NEVER the case. They want their commandments posted at gov’t institutions but fight to deny others’ rights to public religious displays. They fight to deny “other” groups equal rights in some areas. They fight to stop public gatherings (pagan fairs, e.g.). It’s not right.

          • S_O_T_A

            Of course, because in the marketplace of ideas, the concept that Jesus Christ is Lord and saves us from our sins has no superior. Following anything else doesn’t work in the long run, because ultimately everything else is run by Satan.

          • scupmonny

            The mere fact that we have Christmas and Halloween – even Easter as major events in this country IS a concession to accepting paganism… this is much of the urgency amongst Christians-many pagan practices dominate our society.Please do your research- your comments won’t stand against such easily attained evidence-set aside your catholic sources( they are not Christian) and take a good look at who has the loudest voice in this country…it’s not the Christians.

          • Nan

            Oh, please. You don’t know anything about the Catholic Church that you haven’t been told by those who hate Her. Christmas is the birth of Jesus. Easter is the anniversary of his persecution and death. All Hallows Eve is the evening before All Saints Day; the saints we have canonized and the saints we don’t know.

          • Matthew46

            Christmans used to be the Winter Solstice.
            Easter used to be a festival dedicated to Oestre, goddess of fertility.
            All Hallows eve used to be Soween.
            All pre-Christian.

          • Matthew46

            Yes there are many pagan practices: Like worshipping a man god, believing in virgin birth, consuming blood (even symbolic) or believing in transubstantiation in communion – all pagan.
            .
            The loudest voices belong to Faux “News”. Are they Moslem?

          • Nan

            IF you can research spirituality why do you need pagan fairs? Note also that this is a judeochristian country founded on principles similar to the ten commandments. The ten commandments are historic codified law.

          • DreamingOfPan

            It’s about equality nothing more. You want to be able to practice your religion, and so do others. There is no harm in that. Don’t “need” fairs, but I could also say you don’t “need” a church. It’s not about that. There are many faiths in this country and it WAS founded on the notion of freedom of religion. If you wish to deny other people equality, then I think you need to do some serious re-evaluation.

        • sahana64

          Exactly Jonny, that is what the Bible tells us to do.

      • Gary

        Constant preaching?? Where? There is very little street preaching taking place in this country. I guess when you hate God, even a little seems like a lot.

        • DreamingOfPan

          Assumptions make an ass out of those who make them. Why do you think I hate “god”? I’m just not a monotheist. As for preaching, maybe I should’ve used a different word more akin to how Christianity is so prevalent in our country and it is often thrown in others’ faces directly or indirectly (via legislation, ostracizing, demonization of certain groups of people, etc.). I’ll say it again – the violence done in the name of “god” is astounding, and disgusting. But this is off topic, nay? All over a little girl who got angry at the constant preaching done in the area. If someone wants to come to Christianity, let them come to YOU.

          • mike

            This is why The true christians who walk like jesus are coming out to deal with the churches condemning people not teaching the true word of God..it’s about love and truth not religion. .it’s relationship. .if we walked like jesus instead of telling people what to do when we as Christians don’t do it then it would draw people to God rather than away from him..christians are hypocrites and I’m one of them until I started really seeking God and the holy spirit revealed the truth to me so I humbled myself and said no more luke warm I will try so hard to walk as jesus did and claim no glory in myself as a Christian but I’ll just walk like jesus the beat I can in hopes to get people to see what a real christian is and should be so in that they can ask me why I do what I do and how I do what I do and thus I’ll tell them it is not myself that speaks or acts and it is not my own will but me who fully surrender God rather than just speaking claims to be christian. .it’s time for the church of jesus to stop preaching to those who don’t know the biblessing but do it and then in doing so people will see what a true christian is so then when they come on their own then we can share the gospel with them..I’m still worse than non Christians. .there are wonderful people there who do no wrong but they don’t know God..they don’t know jesus and they don’t have the holy spirit. .so it’s time to stop condemning non Christians and start working on ourselves before we can say anything to others..we need to start walking just like jesus and loving on people even those who hate us..we all breathe air we all eat sleep and shit lol so we are all the same but the truth is definitely one truth and that is there is only one way to the father in heaven and that is through jesus our Lord and Savior. .so to all us christians we need to do what our Lord asked us to do and walk in his ways and if we can’t then we have no right to preach lest we all become hypocrites. We are saved by grace. .but I refuse to be a Christian who knows what God has done for us and only do the bare minimum by just accepting jesus just to be saved and that’s it..that in a sense or honestly is just abusing God’s grace..so we really should truly walk like christ Jesus and represent God the right way or keep our mouths shut and believe in God in secret and get out of the way lest we all become bad examples of christian people. .and for the record christianity is not a religion it was made a religion. .it is in fact a relationship a choice in radical change of lifestyle to follow christ jesus 100% not 50% not 70% or 90% but 100% and I claim to be no better than anyone and I’m still trying to beat the flesh and I struggle but I will get there because it is what is truth and the right thing to do and I figure some people have to do this if it’s not happening and I am willing to let go of this world to follow christ jesus and walk just as he did and I know with him all things are possible. .so don’t let churches tell you that you can’t be like jesus because that’s why he came because that is a lie..jesus said be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect! He would never say that If we could not be perfect, God doesn’t tell us to do things we can’t do..you won’t here that in many churches today because they are deceived to do just the bare minimum as a Christian. .hope this makes sense to whoever read it this far..I love you all

          • Aza

            Well, you said we need to do what the Lord asked us to do, and I agree. I personally preach more with my actions and testimony because many people who call themselves christians give bad testimony, so I feel that nothing is more powerful than our actions or the way that we live. I am not one to go out in the streets and condemn anyone. However, Jesus said go and preach the Gospel to every creature in Marck 16:15, it never said force it or kill in my name or something of the sort because God gave free will so that man kind can choose to serve him or not, but God you can’t judge others if preaching the word of God, you can judge them by the words they give and with the love that they say it and if their actions give testimony of those words. In the same way other people protest and have rights to express themselves such as the girl who screamed, she had the right to not like it.. But you can’t say that because somebody was talking about God that they aren’t doing what the Lord asked… Because he isn’t sinning and you aren’t the Lord to know if he is a true Christian or not.. Part of being a Christian is not jumping to conclusions, rather to analyze the situation and the fruits of the spirit.

          • mike

            Dear brother don’t be so quickly to judge me also, I never judged anyone in fact if you read the full story I wrote you would see that I said I was worse than them all..I think what this man did was the right thing to do I simply said I need to work on myself more to become more like christ before I myself will go preach and I said we should be more like jesus to put out a better representation of a true christian by you telling me I’m judging you have judged me and I’m not offended by any means..I just want you to know that I wad not judging anyone and I know i have no place to judge. .this is the last thing jesus wants, for two christians to argue, it is what satan wants..so I hope we got this all cleared up because I don’t want you to believe something that I didn’t do or say..I love all people and I judge nobody and I know i cant..and I believe this man has a heart for jesus and he is doing just what he was called to do:) so again. Hopefully this cleared things up between us:)

          • Aza

            “This is why The true christians who walk like jesus are coming out to deal with the churches condemning people not teaching the true word of God” Well, those words seemed like judging to me.. Again, that might just be my opinion, but when you say this it almost seems inferred at the video, and I wasn’t there the whole time the guy was talking so I just can’t say that about the video. If you were to talk in general I would agree that the message has been distorted, but the comment you said seamed pretty direct. And well, I did judge your comment, one said at another brave christian brother who tried to do well. Sorry if I misunderstood , since you didn’t say in the first message as you did in your last message that what he did was right and rather you said the quote I said, I can judge by what you said. I agree, we should be more like Jesus, and that is why it saddened me a little when you when you said what I previously quoted, because he was a brave person and not that many people are willing to try to bring the word of God in atmospheres like these. It probably wasn’t the best place to do it because people who are at salem mass during that time of year are there because they like it, but he is still doing an effort that many christians would fear to do, being the great commission as Jesus commanded. As to your message, I agree with you, we have to work with ourselves so that we can be the best example possible, that is what Christ wanted us to do. So other than your quote on the guy, I understand and agree with the message that you are trying to bring. Our words are empty if we don’t apply them as actions in our own lives. So I am in agreement with you my brother, as a christian nothing should be more important than your relationship between God and us. As a result, everything will fall into place. So thank you for clearing that up your view on the video and keep seeking to better yourself in Christ as I know I will do myself 🙂 That is what God wants from us. God bless you.

          • mike

            Also I wanted to add that if we preach we are teaching and if we are teaching it is written that if you teach the word you will be held accountable for all that you do more than anyone who does not teach..you must keep the way of jesus 100% if you are teaching the word and this is a fact and written. .so some people may preach and we can gain something from people even if they are not walking as christ did its up to us to do what’s right between us and the Lord. .so I’m not judging this man is doing the right thing in professing his love for God to the people in the streets..we do not see behind closed doors..there are pastor’s who cheat and steal and commit adultery and I’m going to point out I’m not perfect by any means I just recently started to finally get how important it is to follow the word of God to the exact point and do it..but many cannot and that is the reason jesus came for those who accept they are sinners and repent so they can be forgiven for any and all sin they commit if is unto true repentance. .I’m just saying I’m striving to eventually walk as jesus did to the exact representation of his being and I’m not there but I will try for the rest of my life to do so..and I know he will help me do just that..I’m working on so many areas of my life and I have much conviction over the things I see that I do when I make mistakes and the more I seek God the easier it gets to recognize my faults and what needs to change. .I’m not perfect and I don’t claim to be but I’m striving to be and I know that I will continue to try to be a better christian and I will be more and more quick to think and slow to speak in my walk with the Lord. .I don’t believe I’m anyone of any importance to correct people or say I’m right over anyone I may even have sounded like I was trying to correct you but I’m just trying to point out what I did not want you to think and that was judging. .it is written if you do not forgive you will not be forgiven if you don’t show merCy you will not receive mercy do not judge lest you be judged. .all things I’m working on and striving for..I believe we are in the end times and this is the reason for being more concerned now for full obedience to the Lord because I know most of us are not even close to doing this so it’d my mission to please the father in getting there..I just hope I can get there soon because I know i can do more and I know i can do better and once I do I’ll go out into the world and do what I can to glorify the father..some people go out unarmed and not fully equipped with the armor of God and can be easily overcome by the enemy. .and I just want to be prepared ya know..anyways sorry for the novel haha if you read all this bless you for taking the time to read it and bless you for your concern 🙂

          • Nan

            Um, real Christians use paragraphs.

          • mike

            Please tell me that was a joke..what does that even mean, real christians use paragraphs? I was unaware perfect grammar defines what a Christian is?

          • Nan

            It’s difficult to process your posts because you don’t use proper sentences and dont’ have paragraph breaks.

          • mike

            And that means I’m not christian? Lol come on..it’s the message not the proper grammar that means anything. .so please forgive me if my grammar made you frustrated. .but that’s the last thing that should matter in my message..you must be an English teacher..or somebody who goes around only focusing on people’s grammar rather than someones true meaning in their messages..Im not offended by any means but I honestly feel bad that I responded to this because it shows how much other people and myself need work in their lives so that we don’t judge one another over ridiculous things..I could care less about grammar. .i care for God..that’s what matters,not how someone puts a paragraph together. .

          • A. C.

            unfortunately for you all the demons u worship are nothing more than weak, powerless spirits who lie and manipulate you, they will use you and abuse you. If you want real power, and salvation, you have to go to the light, to the almighty Creator God, YHWH. All power and authority is His and the Kingdom of Heaven rules over everything!

          • DreamingOfPan

            Assumptions again. As in “ass”. I don’t worship anything, but if you took the time to ask instead spouting off about “demons” you might know that. But if that is what you want to believe, fine with me. Peace.

          • Jack Rohde

            The Catholic Jesuits caused all major wars.

          • DreamingOfPan

            If you say so. Kind of irrelevant to the discussion though. I hate it when things go so way off topic.

          • Mars Chatterton

            wow Dreaming you talk about off topic when it was you who mentioned the “christian” violence first

          • DreamingOfPan

            You’re right. It did go off topic. Easy to do I guess with such loaded topics. I’m not going to play the finger-pointing game. I’ve made my points in other comments on here, which of course have been largely treated with the expected insults and derision I’ve come to know from the Christian community, regardless of how (mostly) polite I’ve been. But ok then.

          • Nan

            As opposed to the Protestant Jesuits or the Muslim Jesuits? Perhaps you’re thinking of the Jewish Jesuits?

          • scupmonny

            If someone doesn’t want to be surrounded by Pagan practices or harassed by people people in costume then they should just stay of the public streets in this town on Halloween…right? That little girl was lacking in something called manners and likely full of something called evil. To the truly disbelieving and neutral, the sounds of that preacher would have been as insignificant as the passing car engines or the humming street lights. She was offended- by speech. That could only come from an inherited dislike of the message of Christ- which only stems from ignorance. If you are not a monotheist then you do not KNOW God- and that is sad. Both you and this child will be in prayers.

          • DreamingOfPan

            People can do as they like. It’s called tolerance (within reason of course). Christianity is EVERYWHERE in this country and the rest of us tolerate it pretty darn well. The prevalence of churches and crosses all the over the place doesn’t prevent me from walking around town. If you can’t handle Halloween, I feel bad for you as that sounds very fear-based. Kids trick or treating is hardly “harassment”. Sheesh. Yup, the little girl lacked manners. Christians want to practice in peace? Then they need to let other faiths or lack thereof, do their thing in peace too. Period.

          • Matthew46

            The little girl was the preacher’s sister who stood in for lack of hecklers while he was learning to street preach.

        • Sean Chestnut

          You must not live in the South.

      • Neiman

        A. While the man organized Christian Church surely has a lot of abuse to answer for over the past 2000 years, none of these abuses have any warrant in the New Testament, they are all of man and are dishonoring to Christ. But, this is not the true Church.

        B. If it is hate, then you must accuse Christ of hatred when He preached against sin, preached on the wages of sin (hell) and even attacked those that were falsely using His Church. You must accuse John the Baptist of hate for preaching repentance, calling those coming to him of being serpents deserving of hell and Herod and his wife being adulterers. Whenever any one preaches against sin and makes a call to repentance, they will always be accused of hatred and like Jesus, will be hated as no one likes their sins being exposed and their sinful character made apparent. But, unless those sins are made manifest there will be no conviction of sin and no turning to Christ for salvation, a man that thinks himself good will not see any need for a savior, but their sins being exposed and their guilt made clear, some will seek a savior and that is our goal.

        C. Christians are called to oppose sin in their own lives and in the world and to preach the Gospel (evangelizing), It is not optional!

        If the whole world hates us, and that is rapidly becoming the case. Jesus warned us that this would happen, as you of the world hate Him, you would hate His children that speak the Truth.

        • DreamingOfPan

          I have no problem with preaching. I have a problem with fundamentalism, narrow-mindedness, hypocrisy and inequality. This is part of the problem – it is “your truth” – not everyone else’s. You have a right to speak your mind, and others have the right to tell you “no thanks, get lost.”

          • david ramseur

            Sorry to break it to you, but it is THE objective and universal truth that all have fallen short of the glory of God. If you are honest you will acknowledge that you, like me and everyone else, have rebelled against God. You have broken His commandments willingly. You have, at least up till now, rejected His mercy, His pardon for you in Jesus Christ on the cross. None of us are deserving of Heaven. We have disrespected the One who created us and who sustains us by giving us everything we need. We are all deserving of Hell. “But God shows His love for us in this, that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.” Romans 5:8 This is the truth, and whether you currently believe it or not, eventually you will acknowledge it as the truth, either on this side of the grave or not. Out of love, we Christians plead with you to repent and to cast yourself on God’s mercy in Jesus before it is too late.

          • DreamingOfPan

            It is your opinion, and nothing more, that what you believe is “the” truth. If it works for you, fine, as long you do not hurt others.

          • Neiman

            People have a right to reject the Gospel and say “no thanks, get lost.” That is freedom of speech. This Christ hating world will, according to God’s Word, increasingly do just that, until they will have silenced the Gospel message. But, then they will all follow the anti-Christ to their utter physical and everlasting destruction.

            Real Christians have no unrealistic expectations that the Gospel will win, we only reach out to as many “who will” come to Salvation; but, we are told by God that once they are silenced, “suddenly destruction” by God’s Hand will come upon them.

            So, your hatred of those precious souls that are willing to endure hate, attacks and death for the sake of the lost souls is just what we expect to happen, but thank God our salvation is sure.

          • DreamingOfPan

            I have no hate towards anyone, it is a waste of energy to hate. Annoyance – yes. Anger sometimes – yes. But hate? Nah.

          • Neiman

            The opposite of love is not apathy, it is hate. If you do not have love, the love of God, you are consumed with hate. Your words against Christians like this speaker and other Bible believing Christians, being “fundamentalism, narrow-mindedness, hypocrisy and inequality,” is a form of hatred. They do not submit too your liberal political correctness and like all on the Left, you hate all who oppose you.

          • DreamingOfPan

            That is an extremely black & white viewpoint, but if that is what feeds your soul, so be it. I will politely disagree. I never said that all Christians were the things you quoted. But there are many of them. Calling a dog a dog is not hatred – it is what it is. Liberal PC? That is laughable and broadstroked reactionism. You know nothing about me other than my anger towards some religious “practices”.

          • Gina Marie

            Hi Dreaming… I have to say, Jesus has every Right to say what He does about sin, because he took your sin and my sin onto Himself and was beaten so brutally and suffered so much and died for us, so we could choose to go to heaven. We can also choose to go to hell. He doesn’t send us there, we choose it by our own choice of rejecting Him. It’s our choice. Jesus is who created you, whether you believe it or not. Your unbelief or anyone’s unbelief doesn’t negate that truth. He created the entire world and everyone in it. We are just humans and we should be so in awe of Him and all He has done for us. Sometimes I just look around at creation and it is more then I can take in, the awe of it all, you know. Even your ability to read this and think it through is a gift from Him to you. He loves you, no matter whether you believe in Him or hate Him. He still loves you. I challenge you to just Ask Him, and He will show you. I grew up Catholic too, I never found Jesus there at all either. I also was into witch-craft and new age. It was empty and only lead me to hate, especially in my heart. I would cast spells on people I didn’t like, and so all sorts of so called “prayers against them.. But Since I believed on Jesus in an old barn in Massachusetts, He set me free from drug abuse and all kinds of evil thoughts and deeds. Now I pray FOR people, and for God to only Bless them. The love I feel from Him, well there is absolutely NOTHING I can compare it to in this world. I have never ever felt love like this ever! It’s incredible.

          • DreamingOfPan

            If you have found love and peace through your god – wonderful. All the power to you. Just remember that love comes in many forms. Peace.

          • 2hens

            Here we go with the your truth is your truth/no absolutes/you’re so judgmental blehbleh….. Sorry to break it to you, Dreamingofmymythicalhornedgodofrape, but if you’re so educated you should know that there are absolute truths. There aren’t two or more contradicting, right answers to anything. That little girl has a dark spirit in her as do you, I believe. It baffles me why someone would waste their energy to come on a christian website to argue with complete strangers. I used to be pagan myself and a believer that there were no absolutes, but God opened my eyes thanks to a man like this guy. I listened to preachers like chuck missler on coast to coast and the like…. I couldn’t lie to myself anymore. Jesus was at my door and I let Him in. I hope you do too, someday. You can’t find him in religion… The Catholic Church is exactly that. You have to seek Him and read the Bible. I’ll pray for you and that girl. You both need Jesus.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Pan is a metaphor and your knowledge of his mythological significance in the ancient world is quite lacking. But yes, there are no absolute truths – as in Jesus is not a absolute truth. You contradict yourself by not acknowledging this. What exactly is this “dark spirit” you mention? Curious. I’m glad Jesus works for you. Why can’t you accept that such “truths” are personal and individual to everyone? I read the bible along with many, many other texts. Thanks for the prayers.

          • Mars Chatterton

            “But yes, there are no absolute truths”

            Are you absolutely sure?

          • DreamingOfPan

            What a fun statement isn’t it. 100% sure? Nope. And that is ok. Life would be quite boring if we knew everything, no?

          • Nan

            Why to alleged Christians have to be nasty about the Church? That itself shows that you’re not a Christian.

      • Timothy Aamot

        Don’t worry, If ISIS has anything to do with it you and your children will be sex slaves for the ISIS or you will be dead if you don’t embrace Islam.

        • Gina Marie

          Sad and true for all of us, unless you become a Muslim.. I will die first and go straight to my Savior… 🙂

      • Jorge Sanchez

        do not confuse ” christianity ” with catholicism !!! The Roman Whore so called “church” has nothing wjth Christ and his true Body of believers whom themselves were martyred by the harlot at Rome and his popes

        • Nan

          Remind me how it is that Christ gave the keys of the kingdom to St Peter, the first Pope, who was martryed?

          • Matthew46

            Jesus, a Jew said that if anything happened to him, that the apostles were to look to James for guidance, not Peter, also a Jew. Why would he be martyred for the Paulines he didn’t believe in. There is no historical support for Peter to ever have been in Rome or having been maryred there. It’s all Catholic tradition – not truth.

      • S_O_T_A

        It’s obvious you know the truth is Jesus, but seek to suppress it.

        • DreamingOfPan

          And what “truth” might that be? I know plenty about Jesus – he was a cool guy with good stuff to teach. But to me, he was just that – a man and a teacher, not a deity. I am not suppressing anything. Who knows – there may be a god, there may not. Doesn’t matter to me. What matters is how I live now, the good I can do now. If there is another life after this one, I’m sure it will be an adventure.

      • Michelle Bowen

        I’m not a hater, and I’m a Christian. I was intrigued for a time by witch craft until I realized it was a sin, and it was of the devil. There is no such thing as ‘good’ witch craft no matter how you try to spin it. I believe that there are people who are true witches who have power, but they do not get it from God or anything good. People forget all the time, especially the lost that Lucifer was an Angel, handsome, and able to make himself appear to you as a good being. But he is false and hollow and he’s already bound for hell. So he wants to take all those he can. Satan wont’ be the one torturing you in hell….he will be of the tortured. People hate hearing preachers because it reminds you of how far you’ve strayed away from God’s love. The more you build up with anger and hate towards them, the more hate you feel flowing in you towards them. The more garbage like this you spew. Only a SELECT few Christians are haters those are the ones who go too far in calling Gays bad names and saying that God hates them. Or other such things. But they are not all of us, and you are just going on and on about how we are a relgion of hate…but all I feel from you and this little girl is anger and hate. I love you even though I don’t know you…I love her even though I dont’ know her. I pray for you …I pray for her……and I pray for the lost among you. But I Do not hate…I do not judge, but I do stand for what is right, adn what is wrong. But I still do not judge what will happen to those who transgress against God…that is between you and him……and thats all that matters in the very end of the world. I will pray for you to be found…to feel the love of God.
        God bless you and yours,

      • christina

        wow how sad what we Christians do to witches??What about what witches do to innocent people. And don’t even try to lecture me on witches I have a member of my family who is a full on satanic, spell casting witch. I know the harm they can do so don’t bother preaching to me about innocent witches.. And by the way what do we Christians do to witches? Just curious where you are getting your info from. And if your talking about the present time, or hundreds of years ago

        • DreamingOfPan

          There are good & bad elements in all faiths and practices. Most modern witches practice under the “do no harm” mantra. Some do not. Some Christians kill people, most do not. Go to Google News right now and do a search for witches and violence – you will find modern day people of “faith” killing those who they deem “witches” (whether they are or not). I am sorry that you have had personal dealings with a harmful practitioner. It happens. But do a little more digging and you will find that most “pagans” and witches have ZERO interest in harming others unless they are attacked personally.

          • Nan

            But do no harm is relative; I used to work for a Wiccan and her idea of “no harm” was to harm those she believed might harm her.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Again, all I can say is that I am sorry you’ve had dealings with such people. Most practicing pagans and witches I know do not harm others.

        • Matthew46

          If she is a “satanic”, she is a Satanist, a worshipper of Satan, not a witch or Wiccan.

      • abc3

        If you read the history of the Salem Witch Trials, the family and their daughters who started the false accusations were not practicing Christians and were involved in other wrongdoings in that town beforehand. That family persecuted Christians.

        • DreamingOfPan

          Oh I know. It was ALL messed up – on this continent & in Europe. Far more in Europe. Not the point though really. I am against persecution of all kinds, including that of Christians. It saddens me to see people being killed in the Middle East over this god or that, just as it saddens me that many Christians persecute LGBT people, witches (the non-harming kind), etc.

      • Deedee Keith

        YOU SAY IT’S SAD WHAT CHRISTIANS DO BUT YET PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO NOTHING WHEN A MUSLIM IS RAPING AND KILLING CHILDREN, AND INNOCENT CHILDREN AND BABIES ARE BEING USED AS TARGET PRACTICE AND BABIES BEING KICKED AROUND LIKE SOCCER BALLS. PEOPLE LIKE YOU HATE CHRISTIANS BECAUSE YOUR COMFORTABLE IN YOUR SIN. YOU HATE THE WORD OF GOD BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR OWN GOD. SO SHOULD YOU BE JUDGED BY YOUR WORKS. YOUR PAST WE ALL HAVE THINGS IN OUR PAST WE ARE NOT PROUD OF AND CHRISTIANS BACK THEN ARE NOT WHO CHRISTIANS ARE TODAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION WHEN IT’S YOUR TIME TO DIE. WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR GOING. HMMM NOT HEAVEN FOR SURE. YOU DON’T WANT TO HEAR THE PREACHING MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST WHERE CHRISTIANANITY IS A CRIME..

        • Matthew46

          Nonsense!

      • paulette barrow

        Go ye to the highways and the byways and preach my word,tell them of the good news,how do you figure this is hate?God has his laborers that he sends to speak the truth,not chop peoples heads,WOW

      • http://christiannews.com MDC

        The thing is: We, the Christian, don’t go on what you think! The only person we listen to is Jesus and, We preach the gospel in time and out of time. The decision it’s not being forced. Jesus does not want you that way but, the preaching will go on. For Gods glory not yours.

        • DreamingOfPan

          Preach away 🙂 No problems there. Just extend your tolerance to others is all I’m saying (the silly little girl in this article aside).

      • Connor

        You realize that Witches actually existed…they practiced pagan arts which often included kidnapping children and sacrificing them. Well the public is hearing the message over closing in on 3 billion believers in the world today mate.

        • DreamingOfPan

          Witches did and so exist, just not in the way you’re portraying them, with the tired clichés of kidnapping and sacrifice. Maybe some did, but as a whole, witches had nothing to do with any of that. But there are plenty of scholarly works available on that subject that you can peruse at your leisure.
          But you are proving my point about intolerance and the sometimes-hypocritical “love” from Christians & Muslims, with this whole “down with the non-believer” crap. It fosters hate & misunderstanding & violence – QUITE the opposite of the teachings of Jesus and other holy people throughout history.

          • Connor

            You are saying that over 2000 years of history confirming the things they did is false ok lol. You are funny.

          • DreamingOfPan

            You are misinformed, but I am not here to teach you about the history of witchcraft and paganism in relation to Christianity. I’ll be here for the next 3 years… Most documents about witches in history have been written by those within the church, with much pomp, distortion, etc. Again, don’t take my word for it. There are plenty of reference materials confirming this. So if you think I’m funny – well, good for you then. Peace.

          • Connor

            No offense you couldn’t teach me anything that is my field. lol.

      • Blake Duckworth

        @DreamingOfPan

        Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

        28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
        commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the
        world. Amen.

        We are commanded to go and teach all nations, sounds like you have the same demonic spirit in you that the antichrist child in the video had.

        Witches are an abomination, if we were under the old covenant you would have been stoned to death.

        Best you repent before the most high Yah returns, the end result will be the lake of fire for you.

        Rev 21:8 But
        the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and
        whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have
        their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is
        the second death.

        • Matthew46

          Matthew 28:19 is a forgery.

          • Blake Duckworth

            @Matthew46 You’re an idiot Matthew 28:19 is the perfect word of God, go take your satanic trash somewhere else !

          • Matthew46

            Matthew 28:19 is a later Christian addition and doesn’t exist in the oldest copies of the bible, the manuscripts of Sinaiticus, Curetonianus and Bobiensis.

            “The Demonstratio Evangelica” by Eusebius:

            Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea

            On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. According to this eyewitness of an unaltered Book of Matthew that could have been the original book or the first copy of the
            original of Matthew. Eusebius informs us of Jesus’ actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: “With one word and voice He said to His disciples: “Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsover I have commanded you.”

            Sorry to break your balloon but history contradicts you.

          • Blake Duckworth

            You copied that off of a Oneness Pentecostal website, what you typed is a forgery. The Jehovah’s witnesses and Pentecostals have been doing that for years in which they take a name such as an Eusebius or Polycarp and then insert a page number such as page 152 then type whatever the like after it.

            lol you really thought I was going to fall for that ?

            You didn’t break anyone’s balloon, you just proved to us all what an unlearned stooge your truly are lol

          • Matthew46

            The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:”The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”

            The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, I, 275:
            “It is often affirmed that the words in the name of the
            Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are not the ipsissima verba [exact words] of Jesus, but…a later liturgical addition.”

            The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics:As to Matthew 28:19, it says: It is the central piece of evidence for the traditional (Trinitarian) view. If it were undisputed, this would, of course, be decisive, but its trustworthiness is impugned on grounds of textual criticism, literary criticism and historical criticism. The same Encyclopedia further states that: “The obvious explanation of the silence of the New Testament on the triune name, and the use of another (JESUS NAME) formula in Acts and Paul, is that this other formula was the earlier, and the triune formula is a later addition.”

            The Jerusalem Bible, a scholarly Catholic work, states:
            “It may be that this formula, (Triune Matthew 28:19) so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of the (Man-made) liturgical usage established later in the primitive (Catholic) community. It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing “in the name of Jesus,”…”

            The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 4, page 2637, Under “Baptism,” says:”Matthew 28:19 in particular only canonizes a later ecclesiastical situation, that its universalism is contrary to the facts
            of early Christian history, and its Trinitarian formula (is) foreign to the mouth of Jesus.” Doctrine and Practice in the Early Church: By Dr. Stuart G. Hall 1992, pages 20 and 21. Professor Stuart G. Hall was the former Chair of Ecclesiastical History at King’s College, London England. Dr. Hall makes the factual statement that Catholic Trinitarian Baptism was not the original form of Christian Baptism, rather the original was Jesus name baptism. “In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” although
            those words were not used, as they later are, as a formula. Not all baptisms fitted this rule.” Dr Hall further, states: “More common and perhaps more
            ancient was the simple, “In the name of the Lord Jesus or, Jesus Christ.” This practice was known among Marcionites and Orthodox; it is certainly the subject of controversy in Rome and Africa about 254, as the anonymous tract De rebaptismate (“On rebaptism”) shows.”

            A History of The Christian Church:1953 by Williston Walker former Professor of Ecclesiastical History
            at Yale University. On page 95 we see the historical facts again declared. “With the early disciples generally baptism was “in the name of Jesus Christ.” There is no mention of baptism in the name of the Trinity in the New Testament, except in the command attributed to Christ in Matthew 28:19. That text is early, (but not the original) however. It underlies the Apostles’ Creed, and the practice recorded (*or interpolated) in the Teaching, (or the Didache) and by Justin. The Christian leaders of the third century retained the recognition of the earlier form, and, in Rome at least, baptism in the name of Christ was deemed valid, if irregular, certainly from the time of Bishop Stephen (254-257).”

            On page 61 Professor and Church historian Walker, reviles the true origin and purpose of Matthew 28:19. This Text is the first man-made Roman Catholic Creed
            that was the prototype for the later Apocryphal Apostles’ Creed. Matthew 28:19 was invented along with the Apocryphal Apostles’ Creed to counter so-called heretics and Gnostics that baptized in the name of Jesus Christ! Marcion although somewhat mixed up in some of his doctrine still baptized his converts
            the Biblical way in the name of Jesus Christ. Matthew 28:19 is the first non-Biblical Roman Catholic Creed! The spurious Catholic text of Matthew 28:19
            was invented to support the newer triune, Trinity doctrine. Therefore, Matthew 28:19 is not the “Great Commission of Jesus Christ.” Matthew 28:19 is the great Catholic hoax! Acts 2:38, Luke 24:47, and 1 Corinthians 6:11 give us the ancient
            original words and teaching of Yeshua/Jesus! Is it not also strange that Matthew 28:19 is missing from the old manuscripts of Sinaiticus, Curetonianus and
            Bobiensis?

            Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:He makes this
            confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape
            during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later
            invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.

            And now Blake, WHO is the unlearned stooge? – 😛

          • Blake Duckworth

            lol is that all you can do is copy and paste ? I’ve heard all of that before, what you fail to realize is that father,son, holy Ghost are titles for Jesus Christ, this is why the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

            Again I have to laugh, because you think yourself smart for going into google and copy and pasting, you’re a joke !

          • Blake Duckworth

            more of your made up opinions, yawn keep trolling kid,

          • Blake Duckworth

            by the way I own that book it’s called

            The proof of the gospel, being the Demonstratio evangelica of Eusebius of Cæsarea

            And guess what ? What you stated isn’t on page 152 nor is it in that book lol.

          • lorasinger

            Have a handwritten copy, Blake? You are aware that we use print these days and the pages could be any number.

            “Edmund Schlink, The Doctrine of Baptism, page 28: “The baptismal command in its Matthew 28:19 form can not be the historical origin of Christian baptism. At the very least, it must be assumed that the text has been transmitted in a form changed by the [Catholic] church.”

            The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, I, 275: “It is often affirmed that the words in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are not the exact words of Jesus, but a later liturgical addition.”

            The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”

            Hastings Dictionary of the Bible 1963, page 1015: “The Trinity is not demonstrable by logic or by Scriptural proofs, The term Trias was first used by Theophilus of Antioch in (AD 180), (The term Trinity) is not found in Scripture.”

          • Blake Duckworth

            excuses, excuses, you sure are full of them. typical false prophet you are now doubt working for your handlers lol, such a sad little man lol

          • lorasinger

            Wow! Good comeback.. Facts are a bitch, aren’t they?. You’re fully out wrong but don’t want to admit it.

          • Blake Duckworth

            You never presented any facts

          • lorasinger

            Blake, me son, go and look up the word “fact”. Maybe the problem is that you don’t know what it is.

          • Blake Duckworth

            lol

          • lorasinger

            A kind of weak “lol”, is it? Another thing your church lied to you about?

          • Blake Duckworth

            What no more google copy and pasting ?

          • lorasinger

            Reduced to heckling? Sad.

          • Blake Duckworth

            lol yawn try again miss singer, I bet you’re a fat old angry lady

          • lorasinger

            Not fat. Not old. A lady all the way, Blake. Probably more prudish than even you, kid~

          • Blake Duckworth

            watch how easy this is.. nope you’re wrong lol

      • Nan

        The general public is sick to death of the constant whining. I guess you condone the Muslim genocide of Christians in the holy land; they’ll come for you, too since you’re not Muslim.

        • DreamingOfPan

          Nope. Read some of my other comments here. I am not hateful, quite the opposite. What is happening to Christians by Muslim is horrible. ANYONE doing such things, including Christians, in the name of their god is disgusting.

      • Alleena

        Your post is absolute nonsense. The only hate I see is coming from you. You are the hater! Salem happened a long time ago. You can only speak for yourself, not the general public.

      • HardCorePress

        We are sick and tired of you gay homosexuals preaching about how you want to stick your penis in a man’s buttt! SHUTUP already!

      • Wm Armstrong

        DreaminofPan, How many witches were killed by Christians in this country?

      • dave10000

        What is sad is the invention that bad people are the ones that are compared to todays Christians who get it right. Its a convenient part of liberal progressive theology to make such false comparisons….Like the Crusades (which Christians were saving Christians from Muslim murderers but we wont talk the truth there now will we…gee, look at today) then there is the Salam Witch trials in the early 1600’s falsely making it out that Americans have been doing such things since then…gee, a full 200+ years PRIOR to even being a nation…on and on and on. Are there very bad Christians? Yep, met a few. The legalistic joy-stealing ones where everything is a judgmental moment…I get it. But even they have a wickedness they have to answer for but you’re not pointing that out…nope…you’re blaming all of them and claiming its religion. Salvation in Christ is a relationship and faith it is not religion.

    • ComDog66

      This young man was sharing the TRUTH. Way to go!
      The little girl’s Mother… Ignorant is as ignorant does… (Bad mother)
      You know… the Bible tells us about this in 2 Timothy 2:25: In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

      • Neiman

        Pray for her every day, she is bound by Satan because her mother is also thus bound and it would break my heart to see her continue down this road and into everlasting suffering because her mother and this world really, has turned her against Christ.

        • Jenni Lovsey

          Do leave the cult before it’s too late.

          • Neiman

            You mean the Bible believing Born Again Christian Church? No way, I love the Lord!

          • Yesterday987G

            Are you a troll? Go back under your bridge…………….

        • Gina Marie

          Amen!!! I am praying for this child..

        • https://www.facebook.com/rinoabelle Belle Sevilla

          Amen! but Praise our LORD JESUS for the strength, courage and confidence HE gave to our bro in CHRIST! Though he was mocked and ridiculed (as our HEAVENLY FATHER too 🙁 ) ,GOD allowed him to continue preaching. We are indeed in the last days!

        • paulette barrow

          The sad thing is,shes old enough to mock God and a man of God if she were to die to day id hate to think of where she would go,truely sad

          • Sue Arnold

            If she has not reached the age of culpability ( 12 ) she will be forgiven if she is older then she will answer for her sins.

          • paulette barrow

            Where in the owrd does it say the age of culpability is 12,she knows enough to say Jesus this and that and noone is listening,this is taught at home,obviouslt her parents are non beilevers and mock the thing os God ,a child doent know these things,i pray God has mercy and wakes them all up

          • Sue Arnold

            Jewish beliefs are that children are not responsible for their actions until the ages(boys13 girls12) that is why the bar/bat mitzvah. Jesus spoke of sin beginning in the thoughts in the sermon on the mount. Therefore children who do not understand the concept of sin cannot sin.You might also check Deuteronomy 1:39 and Isiah 7;16 which does not give an exact age but speaks on the subject. I did not mean to offend anyone and am sorry if I did but my belief is Jewish.

          • paulette barrow

            I understand what your saying,but to watch this little girl go on like that ,she already had a spirit of anti christ,which God would have to deliver her from if she is willing,when shes older and knows the difference

          • David Cromie

            I especially note the misogynistic differences in the ages stated.

          • David Cromie

            More semi-literate mumbo jumbo

          • paulette barrow

            You are entitled to your beliefs just as i am,when the time comes,youll know the truth but then it may be to late,only God knows your outcome

          • David Cromie

            I refer you to my previous reply. As for beliefs, I firmly hold that if someone claims there exist supernatural entities, then the onus is on this person to prove their case for the reality of such entities. Over to you!

          • cb88

            You are referring to the age of accountability… which is the Biblical term. Also it is not specified at what age this is for some people it would earlier or later than 12… at whatever time that person understands what sin is. And note I do say understand… you can talk alot and not understand what is coming out of your mouth… in the end it will be up to God who is accountable and who is not and that is all that matters.

          • Sue Arnold

            Please see my answer to Paulett Barrow.

          • wandakate

            PAULETTEBARROW: I believe the age of accountability is around 12, and at that point they are to know right from wrong. But, if she doesn’t turn from all this sin and hatred of JESUS he future won’t be good, and her eternity will be lost forever, she will be separated form GOD and anything good.

          • paulette barrow

            I agree,but she learned to hate Jesus from somewhere and now there is a spirit of anti christ that has crept in,i pray she learns the truth befor she stands befor the Father

          • wandakate

            PAULETTEBARROW: You are right about the spirit of the antichrist creeping in. But we don’t stand before the FATHER. GOD the FATHER has given all judgment to the Son JESUS CHRIST. We meet one on one with JESUS. JESUS came in the flesh, GOD is spirit. We must worship GOD in spirit and in truth.
            JESUS is our advocate to the FATHER.

          • paulette barrow

            Non believers do not stand befor Jesus,they stand befor God

          • pjwung

            Same Person Paulette….Jesus being the Second Person of the Triune God – the Blessed Trinity………just saying…

          • David Cromie

            Since when is it ‘hatred’ not to believe in ‘gods’, for which ‘believers’ cannot adduce any proof?

          • paulette barrow

            Theres plenty of proof ,your just to blinded by the enemy of your soul to see it,Thoes that dont have the Spirit of the Lord cant understand the things of the Lord

          • David Cromie

            While those deluded enough to believe in fairies may ascribe all manner of qualities to them, and then build up a complicated narrative about their exploits, whether good or ill. How do your ‘god/devil’ delusions differ from this scenario, and where is the proof?

          • paulette barrow

            If your spiritual eyes and ears were open,you would see and hear the proof every single day,if you think you came from a monkey or fell off a cabbage truck thats your choice to believe that,i choose not to believe that

          • David Cromie

            Reification of ideas is unique to human animals, so it is possible to concoct any type of entity that your fancy, and then believe it actually exists. As for descending from monkeys, only an ignorant idiot would believe that nonsense, and Darwin never claimed that we humans did so evolve.

          • paulette barrow

            Your beliefs are yours and mine are mine,so we need to just agree to disagree,have a blessed day

          • David Cromie

            I am sure that, if you put your twisted mind to it, you could come up with an appropriate answer, and earn some bonus points from your flying spaghetti monster, at the same time. Go on, give it a go!

          • paulette barrow

            @David,i suggest you wake up and get rid of the anti christ spirit you have,unless your just flat out for the devil

          • David Cromie

            As an atheist, I have no time for the superstitious mumbo jumbo spouted by the adherents of any religion, and that includes yours.

            If you are able to go beyond mere belief/faith/intuition that any supernatural entity actually influences the universe, or anything in it, and come up with independent evidence to support this thesis, we would then have something concrete to discuss.

            As an exercise, try coming up with the evidence you rely on showing that the Greek gods (remembering they predate the OT), for example, do not exist now, nor ever could have existed?

          • paulette barrow

            Its called faith for a reason..Blesses are thoes who see and believe,more blessed are thoes that dont see and believe,if you cant look around and see that something is terribly wrong,evil is on the rise big time,keep your eyes on Israel,key factor in the return of Christ,i pray your eyes be opened befor its to late

          • David Cromie

            Perhaps if you were to proof read your contributions, they might make even less sense.

          • paulette barrow

            Listen our country and world are falling apart and if all you have a problem with is my spelling,puntuations,ect,you have a worse problem then me,putting what the bible says with whats happening now,its not going to matter ,also if your smart you will put away some food and water for yourself and family because your going to need it when TSHTF

          • David Cromie

            There sure is enough shit flying around already, and not just semi-literate English, from such as yourself. What has the bible to say on bad English, or the illegal invasion of Iraq?

        • Heidi K.

          AMEN, Neiman.

        • http://theravenspoke.blogspot.com/ TheRaven

          Jesus was a peaceful Aramaic-speaking liberal socialist community organizer, with dark skin.

          • Fundisi

            NO He was not a liberal, a socialist or a community organizer, that is unless you are talking about your god Obama.

          • http://theravenspoke.blogspot.com/ TheRaven

            Try reading your bible sometime. Why do you think he was killed?

          • Fundisi

            I assure you I have read it many, many, many times in my many decades of life and do so daily.

            He was killed for claiming to be God and for His teachings of salvation contrary to the teachings of the Jewish religious leaders. He was NOT a liberal or conservative, He was not involved in political activity at all.

            It is you that do not know God’s Word! By the way, being a Jew He was olive skinned, not dark skin.

          • http://theravenspoke.blogspot.com/ TheRaven

            Olive skinned? In the desert? Why do all the white protestant churches hang pictures of blue-eyed Caucasian Jesus? And when did Jews become an ethnic group?

          • Fundisi

            Look at Jews, they live in a desert and are olive skinned. I have never agreed with the pictures of Jesus making him blue-eyed, Caucasian looking. Why are you anti-Christ?

          • http://googlelove.org/ MizKrys

            He was killed because men’s hearts are hard! He died for the sins of the world. Whether people believe or not! Everyone will know in that appointed time of their life!

      • Penance

        That guy is not remotely meek, he was super loud and obnoxious. Like most Christians.

        • James Grimes

          Go troll somewhere else. Your attitude here reeks of immaturity and hatred.

          • ComDog66

            Thank you James! 😉

          • HardCorePress

            I will be looking forward to putting my shoed foot in your ass and kick you through the Gates of Hell in the afterlife! It will be fun….for ME!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!

          • ComDog66

            That would be impossible. Your shoe would burn off. That would technically mean you would be barefoot – ewwwwww

          • HardCorePress

            Nope you got it wrong again, I will have to clean off my shoe because you will crap your pants!

          • lorasinger

            Hypocrite! You’re OK with the street preacher invading others’ turf while they are celebrating their own event and then have the nerve to act just like the little girl, ordering us to “shut Up” and “go”. The door swings both ways, James.

          • James Grimes

            Nice try, but your insults are meaningless. I’m just not interested. Bye.

          • lorasinger

            Just as well, James. You added nothing to the conversation, coming in out of nowhere and throwing a bit of snark 16 days ago and then leaving.

        • ComDog66

          Who says a street preacher has to be “meek”? The modern day church has been “begging people to come to Christ” for too long. Lost sinners NEED TO HEAR the gospel message. This guy was, by all means, doing a fine job. The message “Repent of you will face an eternity separated from God” was spot-on!

        • Michelle Bowen

          He’s not loud and obnoxious…you just don’t want to hear the truth….

        • dave10000

          So only you are allowed to define a street preacher? I bet you would have said the same to John the Baptist who was far more cutting in his choice of words comparatively.

          • ComDog66

            That is EXACTLY what I was thinking dave10000. And there were other Biblical prophets who shared a not-so-gentle message as well. They were the spokesmen of God.

          • wandakate

            DAVE10000: JESUS screamed in the temple at the money changers and the people who were selling their wares in the temple. “My FATHER’s house is a house of prayer, and you have made it a den of thieves.” JESUS was upset, he was not meek in that instance. People’s lives are at stake for eternity if someone doesn’t reach them before it’s too late. I admire this young man for standing up for the truth in these end days.

          • Matthew46

            John the Baptist was a Jew and remained one to his death. There was no Christianity nor a god by the name of Jesus in his time. There was only a man who died and years after his death, Paul invented your Christian man-god.

          • dave10000

            You missed the point entirely. Called and separated is what John the Baptist was…regardless of ethnicity or the times. The same applies to us now as it did to Abraham or to John the Baptist or to that of any other patriarch in the Bible.

          • Matthew46

            And he still has nothing to do with Christians any more than Abraham or Buddha or Allah. Christianity is a religion that is the complete opposite of Judaism. You are delving into a world not yours and hijacking characters that have nothing to do with you.

          • dave10000

            Ridiculous, the early Jewish people are inextricably tied to the present day church and the New Testament clearly shows this. The point is this, we are called to speak to the lost about God, from then to now it has not changed. How is tis a hijacking of characters?

          • Matthew46

            A rabbi described it this way: David had a beautiful garden in which he grew beautiful tomatoes. Matthew came along and planted cucumbers and then said that the roots of the cucumber were the tomatoes. All Christianity shares is the garden and a name hijacked from a Jewish man (A fullhuman). You share nothing else in common.
            .
            The God of the Jews is eternal, one and INDIVISIBLE, with no parents, no siblings and NO SON. Your God is triune, composed of the father, the son ( a man-god Jesus) and the Holy Ghost. Even the gods are not the same.
            .
            To Jews, Torah says God does no become a man and a man does not become God.
            .
            Considering that your missionaries are looked upon, in Israel, with resentment, I would say they would be very grateful if you (as the Christian body) would be content to believe as you wish, and leave them out of your religion.

            It is only when you learn what Jews have always believed that it will become clear to you just what the difference are and why Christianity as no roots in Judaism.

          • Arrie

            Are you telling me that you have studied, and missed Christ in the entire Old Testament of the bible – no way!
            I urge you to take up that study again, trust me, you can find Christ in every single book of the Old Testament bible – yes the one the Jewish people read.
            As for Israel – again from the Old Testament – have you not noticed how many times they turned their backs on YHVH? And how many times they got punished for it. So you are surprised that they denounce the Almighty God once again and subsequently deny Christ?
            I also note that you have little concept of the God (YHVH) of the Bible, and thus of Christ and Ruach HaKodesh.
            Yet here you are delivering infallible “truth” on the matter to Christ-followers.
            Do you even get that what you are doing does not make sense. It’s like me designing you a space shuttle – but I do not even know what a space shuttle is.

          • lorasinger

            You could probably do the same thing by going through the telephone book. The man god concept, just like virgin birth, are absent in the original Tanakh. It isn’t Jewish. It is a clone, however, of Greco-Roman god men stories in Rome where Christianity organized and grew.
            .
            There is absolutely nothing in the OT about Jesus or any man-god.

            I don’t know how to make a space shuttle either but I do know history and the beliefs of the Jews. This is important because Jesus WAS a Jew, long before Paul’s Christianity was invented.

          • Blake Duckworth

            Judaism is a false religion, no wonder you are trolling the comments, the bible states very plainly Israel was a whore who worshiped multiple gods. We are also aware that you don’t believe in the bible and put your faith and trust in child molesting rabbi of Judaism, such a false cult you belong to, we however are smarter than you and can easily defeat you.

          • lorasinger

            You mean PAUL says.
            .
            You are aware that after Paul began his ministry, there was rivalry between his man=god doctrine and James of apostles, (Ebionites) who called Paul a liar. Paul in turn called them Judaizers and it is his doctrine that caught on because it was a whole lot easier to just believe and not be responsible for your actions. He built his doctrine on pagan sacrificial god- man born of a virgin, just like all the other god- men born of virgins in Rome.
            .
            The whore who sits on seven hills more likely refers to Rome that sits on seven hills.
            .
            Wrong. I’m not a Jew. You’re right, I don’t believe all the bible, at least not the supernatural junk.
            .
            It’s odd that you are so hostile when I post in your turf, but you’re OK with the pastor invading the turf of other and in fact, defend him. Hypocrite!
            .
            It’s hilarious that it turned out the little girl was the street preacher’s sister standing in for hecklers that didn’t show up. Must be embarrassing to get caught with the pants down – so much so that the parents now threaten to sue if the video isn’t taken down.

          • Blake Duckworth

            look out he is copying and pasting again folks lol

          • lorasinger

            You’re really like that little screaming girl, aren’t you? You may not be actually screaming “shut up” but that is in essence what you’re doing. Facts have a way of coming out even when your church is lying to you and covering them up. Uncomfortable, isn’t it?

          • Blake Duckworth

            lol is that the best you can come up with ? yawn

          • lorasinger

            Good night Blake

          • lorasinger

            Yeah. Better go to sleep if that’s the best you can do which up to now has been nothing.

          • Blake Duckworth

            All of that typing for nothing lol. I find it funny that you have so much time on your hands to type endlessly, did Mcdonalds lay you off again ?

          • lorasinger

            Nope McDonalds didn’t lay me off, Blake. The poor people who still work at McDonalds and Walmart are bearing the fallout of your belief though. They work a minimum wage and have to access food banks because your higher ups, the modern day GOP Pharisees, have faith but unlike the teachings of Jesus, don’t give a shit about the poor. Remember James who said” Will faith save you? Faith without works is dead”. Too bad, GOP, looks like you’re southward bound. And Blake, since you follow the liar Paul, it seems that so are you.

          • Matthew46

            Well then, Blake, it seems that, by your logic, Jesus was one of those of the whoredom because he was born and died a Jew. You claim roots in Judaism, so how about looking at the very beginnings because like it or not, that is your starting point.

          • Blake Duckworth

            lol and you contradict yourself again

          • Blake Duckworth

            looks like you changed screen names again, you’re not a very good troll, in fact I don’t think you could hurt a fly, you could probably put a fly to sleep with your boring rants I’m sure

          • Deedee Keith

            Your a freakin idiot..what bible do you read. Go live with the muslim child of satan

          • Matthew46

            Spoken like a true Christian, full of love and kindness. Actually, you are speaking exactly as all Christians have since Paul invented your religion, and acting like it too. Christianity made the top of the heap through censorship and murder. Read some history. before you mouth off.
            ..
            What bible do I read? Which of the over 100 versions do you suggest – and every one is different. In fact, the bible in your hands is quite different even from the originals, full of mistranslation, misinterpretation and in some places, even forgery. Compared to the Codex Bobiensis, Codex Vaticanus, your bible is a horse of a different color.
            ..
            Do some reading Deedee and stop mouthing off unless you actually know something. If you can prove me wrong by presenting some facts, then do so. If all you can do is mouth off, then don’t bother.

          • Deedee Keith

            You need your face slapped. No matter what jewish people do YHWH LOVES THEM AND IF YOUR AGAINST THEM YOUR AN ENEMY OF YHWH. YESHUA (JESUS) IS A JEW..

          • lorasinger

            Only in Christian dreams, dave. Your triune god hadn’t even been invented in John’s time. Most likely John was an Essene and that is still a Jew who believed in one indivisible god.

          • Deedee Keith

            There is no. Trinity no where is it in the king james version its called the GODHEAD. YHWH IS OUR FATHER HE IS THE SON YESHUA SAID I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE. HE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND WE MUST WORSHIP HIM IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT.

          • dave10000

            You seek to purposefully divorce John the Baptist from his calling by God…You have a near total lack of knowledge on how the testaments are tied together, how the earlier times were moments foretelling what was to come, how the grace of God applied forwards and backwards through time and how the church was given its place by od, Who IS Jesus and did not require that the name be there prior to His coming.

          • Matthew46

            No, John the Baptist was serving HIS God, the Jewish one, the God of Abraham and I clearly acknowledge that. He was not a Christian nor was he serving the Christian triune God.
            .
            “Grace” is Paul’s invention when he opposed Jesus teachings by saying that The Law was a curse and didn’t apply any more (Jesus said that every word of The Law was in force forever). Jesus taught, as Jews still believe, that righteousness and good works will take you into the hereafter. Belief/faith alone will not do it.
            .
            Your man-god, Jesus is certainly not the God of Abraham who is indivisible. He was pretty clear on that. I believe that right at the end, he said “Touch me not for I have not yet arisen to MY father and YOUR father, MY God and YOUR God”. Can’t get much clearer than that.

          • dave10000

            Yes, he most assuredly WAS serving the triune God. That same Triune God existed before and after. Why is that hard to understand? Jesus is God and so is the Holy Spirit. Its not the invention of man but of God Himself. Deny it to your hearts content, but it is out of line with the scripture and does not require your permission. Your understanding of his saying “touch me know” is convoluted at best…I can only presume you have great issue with God altogether and seek at every opportunity to discredit that he even exists at all.

          • Matthew46

            Hear, O Israel: The Eternal is our God,
            the Eternal is one. [Deuteronomy 6:4]

            “But how do we know that the term, One, at the end of the above verse, does not refer to some sort of compound unity, that God is made up of different parts that total up to one? The reason we know
            this is that the word, “one,” is an adjective. Here it is describing a proper noun, which is the word, “The Eternal.” Most people forgetthat the word that is here translated as, “The Eternal,” is actually the holiest name for God, told to us in Exodus 3:14-15. When the word, “one” modifies a person’s name, it must mean that the person is only One, not a compound One, but rather an absolute One.” He is not triune.
            .
            This is what Jews, including the man Jesus, believed and still do.
            …………

            “Isaiah 44:6 tell us that, “I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” When Isaiah
            tells us that God said, “I am the first,” it means that God has no father. When Isaiah tells us that God said, “I am the last,” it means that God has no literal son. And when Isaiah tells us that God said, “Besides me there is no God,” it means that God does not share being God with any other god, or demi-god, or semi-god, or persons.

          • Arrie

            Actually – you have wrong everything about John the Baptist.
            This should help:
            Luke 3
            16John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will
            baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and
            gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”
            John 1
            29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ 31I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel,
            therefore I came baptizing with water.”32 And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him,
            this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”

          • lorasinger

            Luke admits that he isn’t an eye witness. He is documenting hearsay generations after the fact, the end of a telephone game and you should know that after 6 or so retellings, the final story is nothing like the first one.

            Jesus and the apostles were all practicing Jews and Jesus followers (Ebionites) believed he was a man. They were killed off by Paul’s Christians but their beliefs are documented in the Criticisms of the early church fathers.

          • Deedee Keith

            YESHUA IS THE BREAD OF LIFE HE IS THE LIVING WATER HE WAS AND IS THE SON OF THE ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD YHWH, HE IS THE TORAH, HE IS THE WORD MADE FLESH. HE SAID BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED IAM. ISAIAH SPOKE OF YESHUA IN HIS 53 CHAPTER. THE PROBLEM WITH JEWS YOU ONLY READ THE TORAH WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE OLD TESTEMENT.

          • Matthew46

            Don’t yell. It makes you sound ignorant.
            .
            Jesus the MAN who upheld Torah died in 32AD and he remains dead. Jesus the man god who Paul invented in 50 AD is your “living God” JOHN said “before the world was created I am… BUT Paul was writing 80 years after Jesus the man was dead. He wasn’t John the apostle, nor was he even an eye witness. He was a gentile convert documenting hearsay and had no idea what Jesus might have said except by the legend that was going around in his time. I’m not a Jew so spare the BS. NONE of the old testament has anything to do with you. Not even a bit of it. Paul told you that you as Christians are under a NEW covenant and that the old covenant was dead to Christians. The Jewish bible IS the old covenant and is a history, poetry and laws of a people of 2000 years ago, not related to you, halfway across the world. It has absolutely nothing to do with you and certainly not with the cherry picked verses you present. By the way, the old testament has absolutely nothing to say about your man god.

          • Deedee Keith

            Your so stupid how can someone yell on the internet. Really get a life freak

          • Matthew46

            NOW the real Christian is coming out! You wouldn’t happen to be the little Christian girl pretending to be a witch yelling at her brother in the video, would you? What a farce and you folks got caught with your pants down. You yell by capitalizing everything like you do.

          • Deedee Keith

            Dear Mathew, im sorry for acting like a jerk, please forgive for i have sinned against my HEAVENLY ABBA YHWH and i sinned against you. I cant make you believe what i believe, and just like some one blowing the shofar I SHOUT MY LOVE FOR YHWH HE is my GOD, HE loved me when nobody did, HE brought me out of the fire into HIS wonderful light. Although i am a Christian and love Yeshuah i honor the TORAH, THE SABBATH, I DONT EAT PORK and im still learning His ways and not mans ways. I dont celebrate christmas, nor the traditions of man. I love YOU and i pray you forgive me and help me to learn more about how to honor HIM the Jewish ways.. im for ISRAEL and for HIS CHOSEN GOD BLESS YOU

          • Deedee Keith

            How do you know my walk with YHWH. I LIVE IN THE TORAH AND FOR THE TORAH. AND THE TORAH IS NOT THE ONLY BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT WHY DONT YOU JEWS READ IT ALL, YHWH PUT THE TORAH IN OUR HEARTS. BECAUSE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLES DISOBEDIENCE NOW YOUR REAPING WHAT YOU SOW.

          • Matthew46

            Neither the Torah nor the rest of the Tanakh has anything to do with Christians. Are you aware that in the bible, where YHWH is written, it isn’t said but rather, you are to say the name “Adonai”? That’s about how much it’s written in your hearts. You can’t even interpret it correctly. Jeremiah wasn’t talking about Christians either Deedee.

        • cb88

          meek… a term often used in the bible is often used biblically to describe the relation men and women ought to have with God not the relation people ought to have with one another. The bible says in Luke: “Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.” I really don’t think you are going to be very good at compelling if you are not a bit loud so people can hear you.

          • Matthew46

            Yes, stay loud and stay preaching. It is what is driving people away from your church. You have no idea what kind of picture you present and only the sandels, long beard and placard with big letter saying “Repent, the end is near” are missing. The stuff that cartoons were made about in the past.

          • cb88

            If you choose to reject Christ then there is nothing to be done for you from a Christian perspective anyway… He’s preaching to people that will listen. Mocking him for that is pretty low at least he cares for his fellow man.

          • Matthew46

            The living Jesus was a Jew, a total human, preaching to Jews who were losing their way through Hellinization. He had nothing to do with Christianity, having died 30 years before it was invented. His apostles remained practising Jews, later called Ebionites.

            The “Christ” you speak of is Paul’s invention,a legend.

          • Arrie

            The “Christ” you speak of is Paul’s invention,a legend.
            Wrong!
            Where did you get this lie? Sorry that you believe it so vigorously.
            Read Acts 2 – maybe your accreditation to Paul will change.

          • lorasinger

            Well, Arrie – Mostly because there are no men gods in Judaism and Jesus was a Jew. There is also no concept of vicarious atonement. Human sacrifice was forbidden. Torah-upholding Jesus would have known that every person must atone for their own sins and that nobody else can do it for him.

            Dat Kazav (Lying Religion, or Religion of Falseness) is a Hebrew term Ebionites use to describe Christianity that comes from the ‘ish kazav (Lying Man, i.e., Liar) Paul of Tarsus. Ebionites were the direct followers of Jesus and/or the apostles.

          • lorasinger

            You yourself are guilty of mocking. Matthew is telling you the truth, truth that your church is lying about and yes, it’s pretty low on your part. Hypocrite!

          • cb88

            mocking: “making fun of someone or something in a cruel way; derisive.”… I did no such thing.

          • Arrie

            yup, that should not be a problem, for it is said:
            Matthew 7:13-14 (NIV)
            13 “Enter through the narrow gate.
            For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many
            enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow
            the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

          • lorasinger

            And?

      • ChristopherBlackwell

        Truth or opinion? I can assure you that all religions see themselves as the truth.

        • ComDog66

          Well Mr. Blackwell, you too will be a Bible believer some day… I just hope it’s BEFORE you step off into eternity.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            What a curious assumption ComDog. Most of the people who have lived on this Earth, including right now, will never be Bible believers. Nor will any of them be going to any of the places after death that you believe in.

          • ComDog66

            And you base that assumption on?……….

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            History and statistics. The fact is that most of the people in the world not only are not Christians but have no interest in Christianity . I know that goes against the Christian need to be seen as victims with all other people somehow being against Christians. But i fact oat of the have their ow briefs their own lies and what Christian are or are doing it not the least bit of interest to them.When I was Buddhist, my first religion. no Buddhist would have ever assumed that they were victim of oppression just because most people were not Buddhist or that most people thought about them one way or another. Nor would they have even thought of saying any other religion was not a true religion.

          • ComDog66

            Listen Chris, You have your faith, (And don’t you dare to say you have no faith.) and I have mine. If I’m wrong… I’m a big buffoon, If you’re wrong……
            I beg you to turn to Christ before it is too late.
            God has APPOINTED A DAY, in which he will judge the world in righteousness.
            When that happens, I hope you will not be on the wrong side.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            You assume there are only two sides. I assume that there are a great any sides. I assume that God is a great mystery that we guans will never completely understand.

            Our greatest mistake is in trying to make God human which God is not. Our assumptions give hi emotions which is unlikely as God has no need for emotions. We assume that God is moral yet there is no need for God to have morals whom can punish God if he does wrong. We assume God is all good yet he is the creator of everything, that includes those things that we as humans consider as good and those things that we as humans consider good. Our ancestors considered God to be amoral. What God wants God does.

            So when it comes to man’s religions there is a chance that they are all incorrect, partially incorrect and partially correct. So for any of us to claim that our particular beliefs are the one true beliefs is the height of arrogance. Our claim to know God, His plans, and His desires is also a great arrogance. The goes for our assumption that a is somehow the height or the reason for creation.

            Beliefs are opinions and for the most part they are unchangeable from the outside. None of us will covert the other. I will not claim to now much of anything about God. I will try to discover what reason I was placed on this mortal plane and leave it at that. y suspicion is that there are spiritual lessons that we only can learn living on this mortal plane and I will try to discover those lessons and I learn as many of the as possible.

          • Arrie

            Yup, I agree, most people are not Christian or Christ followers, but actually hates all that is Christ and YHVH. That is actually in accordance to the Bible – the Holy Scriptures, the Word of a living God named YHVH.
            Oh, sorry, that just proves more Biblical prophecies that have came true, sad for the atties and those who reject the Kingdom of YHVH.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Arrie

            I hate to be the bearer of bad news but most nonChristians don’t waste much time thinking about Christianity. Most nonChristians have no emotional feelings about Christianity one way or another. Contrary to your belief the world does not revolve around Christianity. Most people just have better things to do than spend much time on Christianity. Most of them have lives to live and religious than they honor and follow. Give up your persecution complex. Psychosis is not a healthy state of being.

          • lorasinger

            Excellent.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            I have always been mystified by the war mentality of some Christians That is the idea that if you are not Christian that you must be anti-Christian. Now my first religion was Buddhism and certainly none of us were ever were taught that all the nonBuddhists were against us. Nor did we have the victim mentality that seems to happen in some Christians. It is amazing that one of the largest, richest, and most powerful of religions would feel so threatened all the time. To me that would suggest a remarkable lack of faith in the powers of the Christian God.

          • SashaC

            I’m very late to this conversation, but I just want to thank you for all you have written. If more believers thought the way you do, the world would be an infinitely better place.

          • D. Michael

            You are amazing!

          • Matthew46

            The knowledge of the fact that the bible in your hands varies in many places from the earliest surviving texts, for example, 12 verses are added to Mark, Matthew 28:19 is a forgery when compared to the earliest text. The KJV is probably the worst translation there is because the translators had no access to original Greek writings and could only revamp old versions of the bible. According to the Jews, in only the Torah, there are a vast number of mistranslation, misinterpretation and downright forgery.

          • ComDog66

            Matthew, are you a Biblical scholar? I have studied out the King James Controversy for HUNDREDS of hours and came to the exact opposite conclusion as you did. NOBODY HAD ACCESS TO THE ORIGINAL WRITINGS. (You must have went to “college” and were indoctrinated to believe the lie you spewed in your reply.
            The KJV is a word-for-word translation and is the MOST TRUSTED Bible ever printed. The men who took up this awesome challenge were godly devoted men who FASTED AND PRAYED for ONE WHOLE YEAR before they started because they felt that what they were doing was such a delicate and crucial task.
            And the part you said about the 12 verses being added is pure hog-wash. (Unless you believe the Wesscott and Hort text is better than the Textus Receptus???
            YOU need to look this verse up in any translation: Romans 1:22
            Respectfully submitted.

          • CripesAmighty

            Well, that does help to explain why KJV is suc a discordant jumbled pile of internally contradictory balderdash–malnutrition does not lend itself to detail work.

          • Matthew46

            Quote: “The King James Version was originally written from 1607 to 1610, with a group of 54 Biblical scholars from only Great Britain. One of the rules in translating the KJV was the committees were to follow an older translation known as the Bishops’ Bible (written in 1568) Even most of that translation was based on the Geneva Bible and the Great Bible which were revisions of the Tynedale Bible which was published in 1533.

            What makes all of this significant is that England didn’t have any ancient Greek manuscripts until 1628. The translators were at a disadvantage when trying to decide which passages were in the texts originally, and which were added later by someone who was copying or translating another copy or translation.”

            It is considered to be an inferior copy by everyone except fundamentalists, it seems.
            .
            In the4th century, the Christian historian, Eusebius (264-340 AD), in his work “Ad Marinum” stated that “in the accurate manuscripts, Mark ended with the words “for they were afraid” (Mar 16:8) This opinion is also shared by the 4th century theologian St. Jerome (340-420AD). In all the important and earliest extant manuscripts of the bible, the Codex Vaticanus, the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Suriacus, the last 12 verses of Mark are missing. All these manuscripts end at Mark 16:8.

          • Nan

            It’s riddledwith errors and is the version of the bible imposed by the king at the time. St. Jerome’s translation to the Latin has been accurately translated to English; Jerome was working much closer to the time the texts were written.

          • ComDog66

            Nan, I have read that version countless times and I have never seen one “error” in it. If you are so bold as to state that it is “riddled with errors” you must also be brave enough to bring one or two of those “errors” to my attention. And you are wrong in your assertion that the wicked King James “imposed” that version. All that the reprobate King James did was to AUTHORIZE or give permission for the text to be translated into English, that’s all he did.
            Please reply as I am VERY eager to see all those “errors”

          • Neiman

            With the Dead Sea scrolls, the very accurate Old Testament, various ancient fragments of original texts, the KJV has been proven to have had only a very few, minor errors and none of them having any impact on the major doctrines of the Christian faith. It is amazingly accurate.

          • lorasinger

            : “The King James Version was originally written from 1607 to 1610, with a group of 54 Biblical scholars from only Great Britain. One of the rules in translating the KJV was the committees were to follow an older translation known as the Bishops’ Bible (written in 1568) Even most of that translation was based on the Geneva Bible and the Great Bible which were revisions of the Tynedale Bible which was published in 1533. What makes all of this significant is that England didn’t have any ancient Greek manuscripts until 1628. The translators were at a disadvantage when trying to decide which passages were in the texts originally, and which were added later by someone who was copying or translating another
            copy or translation.”

          • ComDog66

            Nice copy n paste! Too bad most of what you said is flat-out… WRONG. Sounds like you were influenced by my liberal “Bible Professor” back in college.Try again plz.
            Read what Neiman says below concerning the Dead Sea Scrolls. The complete book of Isaiah found as a Dead Sea Scroll was 99.99% EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD the same as the KJV has been translated (IF you are looking for a word-to-word translation) and not a Thought-for-word translation like many of the modern “versions”

          • lorasinger

            The complete book of Isaiah might be found in the DSS and the DSS are exactly the same as the Jewish Tenakh but neither are the same as th KJV.

          • ComDog66

            Textural Criticism is NOT a valid tool in determining whether a verse should or should not be included. Oldest DOES NOT necessarily mean best in ANY historical document. And you are flat-out wrong about “Matt 28:19” It IS FOUND in the most ancient manuscripts. You are simply wrong. What did you do: Read the footnotes in your NIV?

          • Matthew46

            Oldest lends most to being closest to the original.

            “The Demonstratio Evangelica” by Eusebius: On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that
            he had in his library in Caesarea. According to this eyewitness of an unaltered Book of Matthew that could have been the original book or the first copy of the
            original of Matthew. Eusebius informs us of Jesus’ actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: “With one word and voice He said to His disciples: “Go, and make disciples of all nations in My
            Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsover I have commanded you.”

            Trinitarian Matthew 28:19 is also missing from the old manuscripts of Sinaiticus, Curetonianus and Bobiensis.

          • dave10000

            Mr. Blackwell…you need to read verses in the bible that speak directly to this…like Genesis 15:6 and other references to Abraham as well as that He reveals Himself in nature so that all are without excuse Romans 1:20…In other words you do not require the bible in front of you to believe. God knows that difference.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Have you ever read any of the Buddhist Sutras? No probably because it is not your religion. So why should I, who a not Christian, read your particular scripture. It means something special to you because it is considered to be a Holy Book the word of God to Christians. But there is no reason a person of any other religion should consider it as such. Enjoy your book and religion if it serves you. I have no interest in changing your beliefs or your religious practice.

            However while it is a book about the Christian view of God as the writers saw it, I have no way of knowing what the God might have thought of it, or any other alleged holy book on Earth.

            Why would an all powerful and creating God need any men to write his book for Him? Note the story of Moses and the Ten Commandments. Despite the fact that Moses was a dedicated man of God, God carved the Ten Commandments into stone. I wonder why he didn’t just tell Moses what he wanted and let Moses write it on a scroll? So Moses, a moderately holy man, yet God did trust him to write Ten Commandments. Of course considering that Moses would smash the tablets in a rage when he saw his people worshiping other gods, God may have had a point in not trusting him. The destruction of those HolyTablets God’s actual written words was a major case of of Sacrilege.

            That being the case then why would God trust dozens of men over centuries of time to write the whole of the Bible? Also why would He allow men to decide which of books would be put into the official book and which or to leave out?

            Of course God could have planted the book into the minds of each person, in their own languages, so that there could be no question to squabble over the centuries over what God wanted. That would still leave free will of the individuals to follow or not to follow, but there would be no doubt at all what God thought. Allowing man to pass along the message was a great risk of distortion of God’s message. This is why I have to tae the idea that any holy book in the world was actually inspired by God or Gods with a grain of salt.

          • dave10000

            You are, again, setting up yourself as the authority as to Who God is and what He is allowed to do or not.
            Have you ever considered the relationship between man and God? Is it that Man is to be an automatically worshiping robot towards God or did God, in fact, design free will as part of the equation? If you say robot, I would like you to consider the angels…those are the robots. They are REQUIRED to worship and serve God. There is no freedom of choice for them. As for man when he was perfect (In Eden) he had no issues, it is when he fell that the need for his salvation was required. God, even then, provided a way for this rebellious creature of self determination, His love that strong. He wants a relationship with you…with me. If its by compulsion then this is all for not, if it is by choices then it is everything He wanted for us. Why would he use man? Flawed, wicked, shallow and selfish man? To further prove His desire to be in a relationship with us, to identify with us and to be with us.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Dave, quite the opposite. I consider God to be the great mystery beyond our understanding. I would never tell another what God is, what God’s plan is, nor the rules that God would want man to live by. I leave that to groups like Christians Muslims and others that falsely claim that they know stuff like that. I have mentioned other people’s ideas about God in the past.

            But all I really need to know is why I was set on this earth, at this particular time by God. I really need not know all this stuff that others claim to know. It is none of my business just what God is, or what God’s personal plans are. As for how God wants me to do, or to live, God is quite capable of letting me now with simple little nudges from time to time. He has done so and I am quite different as a person than I started out as, being taught lessons of how to have a fairly happy life and not cause problems for self ad the people around me.

            Man was ever perfect? Think about that. To be perfect is to be without flaw, to not only have curiosity and intelligence to learn, but to have the wisdom to make the right choices. According to the story of the Garden of Eden, neither Adam nor Eve had any wisdom at all, therefore they were never perfected, but were flawed enough to be doomed to make the wrong choices. Their curiosity would be the what to try everything.

            Now remember man is the one that tells the story. Man is not God and therefore we cannot guarantee that the stories were handed down correctly, or factually. So all that we now about God is at best third hand information that could easily be flawed.

            But as I stated I consider God to be the great mystery beyond mortal understanding and we have little need to try to understand or define God. So you claim that I was claiming an authority on God, or what God could, or could not, do is plaining untrue. No you are the one here defining God as though you really knew, but all that you know is what humans have told you.

            What kind of relationship God wants with us, even whether he has love, or any other feelings is in fact unknown, no matter what wind wants to believe. To claim other wise is to become the very thing you accuse me of That is claiming claiming to be authority on God. No human is capable of understand of what God is.

          • dave10000

            The real issue here is this…you in no way shape or form
            believe the God of Christianity to be Who He says He is in the bible…am I wrong?

            You have an absolutely flawed, in my opinion, understanding
            of perfection according to the bible. It is sinless we are speaking of, not ability. We are not God but perfection is in the sinless nature of His Son extended to us vicariously through what He did on the cross. To suggest that Adam and Eve lacked your perceived levels of either wisdom, capability or any other characteristic other than sin is foolishness to the God Who created you. He tells you what perfection is and its not what you claim.

            You say “Now remember man is the one that tells the story.
            Man is not God and therefore we cannot guarantee that the stories were handed down correctly, or factually. So all that we now about God is at best third hand information that could easily be flawed.”

            So…you do not believe scripture, the bible, the 66 books canonized
            to be the Word of God just some pretty good writings by mere men is that right?

            As for the relationship He wants that is utterly clear in the Bible…You may dismiss it, but its clear.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Dave, I am not asking that you change your beliefs. They serve your need and you are happy with them. I have no problem that many people have different beliefs and religions I leave them all to their religions may they all be happy with their religions.

            Now why can you not leave me with my beliefs. My religion and my beliefs harm you in no way. We can agree to disagree which is the only sane thing to do in matters of religion. Our beliefs about God are our view and our beliefs, however they are not the view of God.

            The holy books of the world are once again man’s view of God. God is not the least human ad we ill never know him well. It has been quite a long time since God has direct contact with mankind. So man writes what he remembers, and whatever fact may have been becomes myth, over time.

            I have lived for 69 years and we can’t even keep our own country’s history factual. We leave whole parts of it out, particularly if it shows our own ancestors in a bad light. Meanwhile we do not bother to record the histories of the other people that also make up our country,just basically a white Anglo-Saxon version. Read a high school history book for different portions of just y life. No two of them agree with each other as to what was or is important in our history. So man’s record of keeping the facts straight over time is no very good.Each people of each time will write a different version.

          • dave10000

            I have ZERO faith in mankind Christopher…Zero, nadda, none whatsoever. I have faith only in the God of all Creation…and I put no compulsion on you to obey or believe as I do but I will suggest one thing for sure….you seem to claim to know a lot about God but it is not based in anything other than opinion of a combination of things not from God. Either you believe in His word, or you don’t. You, I others do not get to pick and choose the parts we will believe in and the parts we wont. As an exhaustive work on the validity of the Bible the book “Evidence That Demands A Verdict” will show and prove a lot to you. I am not the Holy Spirit, not trying to be the Holy Spirit and not trying to act as the Holy Spirit but I am glad to be used by the Holy Spirit. If you so believe in a God Whose power is beyond description I wonder how it is you can deny Him his amazing power through man.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Tom, You are starting with an unproven assumption that the Bible is the word of God.

            May I point out that only Christians believe that.

            While other people understand that the Bible is holy to the Christians, the outsiders have no reason to believe it is actually the word of God. This has always been true and always will be true.

            The people, who do not believe the Bible is the word of God, are not anti-Christian, nor are they against Christianity. They are just not Christian and have no reason to believe such a thing.

            Once again I have no concept of God at all. I see God as a great mystery beyond the understanding of man. I have no reason to believe that mankind is any more special to God than the rest of his creation.

            If God ever wants to speak to us, God needs no holy book and needs no middle men. He has the power to speak to each of us, if he wants to. As it appears God has not spoken to man in a thousand years or more, apparently God has nothing that he needs us to know. When he built the world, he gave it natural law to guide us.

          • dave10000

            …and yet He chose men and a book of His writing which you invent He is powerless to use…I see, you must be God dictating terms like that.

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            Dave that is the question. Did he choose those men? We are told so at least in judaism and in Christianity. However the men could have written what they did for their own reasons and not God’s. A great many men over time have claimed to write what God wants or plans but that is the word of men which we know can be unreliable. Look at all the alleged holy books in the world. As I said it is entirely possible that none of them are true. Perhaps we would be better talking to God directly and not relying on the words of men.

          • Arrie

            Sorry Mr Blackwell, I have to understand this.
            So you are telling me that the thousands upon thousands of Jewish people who over the last how many thousand years have lived by the Bible as the Word of God are actually wrong! Not to mention the apostles and disciples after that, or to mention the Christians who for more that 2000 years have accepted what the Bible says as the unquestionable Word of YHVH (GOD), not allah or the other rubbish out there. That is astounding – and all of this new revelation is deduced from a handful of human’s knowledge that spans maybe a generation or even less.
            That is amazing!
            You know what, someone like you should have been born thousands of years ago to spare us this tremendous trial, all the hardship to follow Christ, I feel like I have missed a big part of my life.
            Yeah right! As if any person who is dedicating their life to an Almighty God in the heavens will listen to you and decide your word is truth as of now.
            Let’s return to reality – if you reject the Word of YHVH – you reject Him, and you reject the eternal sacrifice which is Him, and which He, YHVH, planned and executed without our silly human reasoning in all our knowledge are able to understand in any of its meaning.
            Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again!

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            How amusing you trying to tell me what I think. I have o reason to reject God. The numbers game does not prove the validity of the Bible it only proves that it was popular. akin class of it being Gods word in no way provides evidence that it is true. A claim repeated over thousands of years is no better than a claim that starts today.

            As to Me, I am a human being, and I make no claim at all about what I say. I merely present an opinion. It will be up to the readers what they decide about it. I have no interest in being either a leader or a follower. God does not require it of me. I question all class of books being holy, much less being the actual word of God. So far no one has ever presented any evidence of any scripture being God’s word. Believed perhaps, but belief is not proof of anything.

            I suppose some will think I am a heretic. I don’t mind that, because all that heretic means is one who makes a choice. I will not blindly follow any anode religion. If I want to know what God wants of me, I simply ask him. No middle man [s needed, no book of rules, one can always ask God directly.

            What a shame that all the religions discourage doing that as it does not time the religious leaders power and wealth. Despite all the claims, God has no need of our money. We only need to act as though we care about each other, help those we can, accept help when we need it and then pass it on.

          • David Cromie

            Any argument ad populum is no argument at all, and therefore erroneous. Did it flatten the earth in any way when the majority of humans perceived the earth as flat? The truth of a proposition does not rely on the number of persons who hold it to be true.

          • David Cromie

            It was mere men who wrote the collection of fables referred to as the bible. It is also a fact that different mere men, over many years, wrote and rewrote the bible to suit their own agendas.

          • dave10000

            LOL…Mere men…more brilliant than you and I put together on our best yet…over a span of 400 years, yet interconnected flawlessly. Your resistance to it being valid is not bound up in its accuracy, content or anything else David…it is such that you war against the God of Christianity. Okay, I get it. I can’t nor would want to make you conform or believe. Christs example was a gift…you wish to choose to reject it because, like Thomas, you doubt.

          • dave10000

            A great mystery but powerless to us men and write His word down…powerless. Right?

          • David Cromie

            To be able to discuss any ‘god/s’ intelligently, it would firstly be necessary to produce sufficient reason for believing they actually exist. Are you able to do that?

          • dave10000

            David…I have a challenge for you…To read Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by McDowell…you can either commit yourself to finding out the truth of this matter of descend into accusation against people of faith even in the face of evidence. I am not about to try and persuade you I know I can’t…you have resistance to everything said belying a bias that says you just want a fight. Tell me I’m wrong! Get that book, get his second one too “More Evidence that Demands a Verdict” and give it an honest assessment. You will be buried in evidence that is proven, vetted and existing. Whether or not it paints an absolute for you I do not know nor require you to accept.

          • David Cromie

            Been there, done that, but cogent proof for the existence of any supernatural entity has not yet materialised, and that would also apply to any attempt to prove that fairies and unicorns exist.
            Aquinas also tried, in his Five Ways, and failed miserably.

          • dave10000

            I don’t believe you have been there and done that with that book, David. Of course I can’t prove you did either. Nonetheless, the dismissing of it tells me more than anything.

          • dave10000

            Yes, I have, I have also delved deeply into the study of several other religious faiths and seen many of their fail points. Have you ever, perhaps, read “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” By author Josh McDowell? I am betting you have not…I am also willing to bet, sadly, that it will not interest you though I hope it does. It is an extraordinarily authoritative work on the subject of biblical proofs and apologetics.

          • David Cromie

            At which point does reality enter into fables?

          • dave10000

            At the point where we see a generation of children raised to disrespect people because of their faith in a country founded as a result of said faith…Hmmm…Well, that’s actually the sad reality. Hope you’re not saying that you support such.

          • David Cromie

            America was founded by people who wished to get away from religious bigots who would try to force them to conform, not to then do the same thing themselves but in a new geographical location. Your view of early American history is sadly mistaken, and has now become the deliberate lie that America was founded to be a Christian country.

          • dave10000

            No amount of your obvious bias against such things can erase the facts. When it is said we are a “Christians nation” It is NOT in the lying fashion you espouse and repeat…that fashion being that Christians are claiming theocracy (lie) or that we only allowed for it as a faith (also a lie) or that we commanded submission to it. (the chief lie used) it is in the fashion that our institutions and foundations adhere to its principles and the historical evidence is clear. From every writing used from every source included the predominant influence was, in fact, Christian. Our founding document, the DOI, proclaimed the God of Christianity 4 times…the by-laws (The US Constitution) does NOT require it to be said. So, stop lying to yourself and others.

          • David Cromie

            Bullshit! Do you not think it is time that there was a clear separation between religion and the state, as it was supposed to be from thestart?

          • dave10000

            Its inventive but untrue. For 173 years there was no problem and the words “Separation of church and state” were NEVER uttered in government or in a official document of ANY kind until the 1947 Supreme Court case where, by the way, it was summarily dismissed (Though I am sure you disagree) and was NOT used again until 1962. The phrase was in a written letter by Jefferson as many know…YET Jefferson appropriated federal monies to build a catholic church for Indians and more money to pay its priest…so, the invented meaning of today where it somehow means that God is not ALLOWED anywhere public is utter trash, a lie, unnecessary and total BS (As you seem to like to say)…So, NO, it is NOT time and it NEVER was. You invent a boogy man in Christianity…thus your rejection of any facet of it in the public square. You want freedom FROM not freedom OF religion.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Very interesting that you’d state that you hope Mr. Blackwell becomes a BIBLE believer but not a GOD believer. Seems to me the latter is far more important.

          • ComDog66

            Serious??? Knowing God is obviously what I’d desire for ALL people. But “knowing God” isn’t enough. (Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. James 2:19)
            We must put our whole faith and trust for our eternal souls in the hands of God. That is why he sent His Son Jesus to die as a substitue IN OUR PLACE on the cross.
            If you BELIEVE the bible as accurate and true, you will also KNOW God.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Yes. Serious. Bibliolatry is a form of idolatry. When you worship the book more than God himself that’s a problem.

          • lorasinger

            When James speaks of God, he is speaking of the God of Abraham who is one and indivisible, with no sons, daughters, sisters, brothers or parents. James was a Jew to his death, as were Jesus and his apostles, Comdog.
            .
            The bible says that every person must atone for his own sins and God abhors human sacrifice. The idea of sacrificing an innocent for others sins is a pagan notion that is the platform for Christianity. It doesn’t come from Judaism.

        • pjwung

          However, plurality does not create truth, it only indicates confusion and contradiction since all cannot be true all but one must be incorrect….most on this forum would say that Christianity is the true faith given the inherent nature of the Creator of a Universe and humanity. He must be a Holy, just, merciful, omnipotent, omniscient and Eternal Transcendent Being etc – that description fits only One deity – the God of the Christian and the Father of the Christ and the First Person of the triune God – the Holy Trinity. Logic and Theology 101 Christopher…

          • ChristopherBlackwell

            pjwung,
            You forget the other possibility that all religions may have it wrong and that God is not as described by any of them. I laugh at the conditions that you set for God. There is no logic in your limitations of God.

      • wandakate

        COMDOG66: Raise up a child in the way it should go, and when it is old it will not depart from it. This little girl is NOT being raised as she should be, and that is a shame. The mother is messed up and lost and leading the child down the same path. Perhaps the LORD will rescue this child some way some how and get her away from this physiologically abusive mother. The mother and the child are under Satan’s bondage. Bad area, I would NEVER go there and be in that satanic influence. The young preacher man was doing what he thought was right, so bless his efforts.

      • lorasinger

        If I go into a cage of dogs and get bitten, is it the dogs’ fault or my own for going in the cage, FOR WHATEVER REASON. Don’t play in the traffic and you won’t get hit.
        In any case, the kid is the preachers’s sister play acting. Good show fundamentalists!

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      The mother is grooming this little girl to be the next Sandra Fluke, Wendy “Abortion Barbie” Davis, or Nancy Pelosi. And, she is succeeding. 🙁

      • Matthew46

        What else would you expect a fundamentalist mother to teach the sister of the preacher?

    • BeWhoYouAre

      This little girl is a hero. People have the right to enjoy their dinner or coffees or whatever outside without a fundamentalist idiot screaming at them that they’re going to hell.

      • Neiman

        First, it is a basic right guaranteed in the First Amendment that any citizen has access to the public square to exercise their free speech rights and there is nothing in the Constitution to say that people have a right to be free from hearing such speech. It is in the best American traditions.

        It is in the tradition of John the Baptist and a host of men called by God to take to the public square to warn people of the consequences of sin and to call them to salvation. We Christians are all called to take the Gospel to the whole world and street preaching has been common throughout the Christian era. In the love of God this young man was about saving souls.

        This little girl was filled with hate by her mother, who in the background was also spewing hatred for this young man and against Christ. This child is ruled by a demon spirit of hate for Christ and I shudder to think that if she does not repent, what her everlasting torments will be.

        • BeWhoYouAre

          No, this child is simply trying to enjoy her quiet time without having to listen to an angry fire and brimstone jerk screaming at her that she’s going to hell. “Shut up” is entirely the correct response. Churches are the place to go to hear the message of God.

          People have the right to NOT be annoyed by hate being screamed in their faces in the middle of the street. “Demon spirit” indeed – this is just common sense. I would have asked the gentleman to leave as well.

          • Neiman

            So let us use your own words and see who you really are, this will end all your pretenses.

            1. “to listen to an angry fire and brimstone jerk screaming at her that she’s going to hell.” (a) So, you likewise would tell John the Baptist to shut up? (b) To speak against sin and to call people to repentance is a form of anger, not love? (c) You are against any call to salvation, any attempt to save lost souls and your father is whom – the Devil?

            2. ” Churches are the place to go to hear the message of God.” (a) You oppose God’s Word about Christians, which seems not to include you, taking the Gospel to the whole world? (b) You think that if people want to be saved, even if they do not know they need salvation, they should either go to church and find out or just go to hell?

            3. “People have the right to NOT be annoyed by hate being screamed in their faces in the middle of the street.” (a) You are against free speech and freedom of religion?(b) So any call to salvation is hate speech? (c) Where in the Constitution does it say we have a right not to hear free speech or a right not to be offended by free speech? I will wait for your references.

            4. ” “Demon spirit” indeed – this is just common sense. I would have asked the gentleman to leave as well.” Yes, I have absolutely no doubt that you have the same demons in you as this poor, deluded, hate filled child and the same hate for Christ and the Gospel message as well? To say nothing of the fact you want to deny free speech and freedom of religious expression, denying Christians their rights under the Bill of Rights.

            You are to be pitied, as you need to hear this young man’s message as much as this demon afflicted girl and her anti-Christ mother. Rather than your hate for this young man, you need to heed his call to salvation.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            1. John the Baptist wouldn’t scream at people quietly assembled having a meal. This is not the place to do such a thing. This is unsolicited and unwelcome. The preacher should respect that but does not.

            2. I don’t oppose Christians, I oppose certain types of behavior which certain Christians embrace. I think that those who want to hear a message of salvation of some kind will seek it out, but seeking it out is not an option here – it’s being inflicted. This is wrong.

            3. I am not against free speech, just not when it’s rendered mandatory in this way – this is a disturbance of the peace. Just because something is in the Constitution doesn’t make it right. It might well be legal but this is offensive and unwelcome because it is in everyone’s face – loudly, angrily and with fundamentalist Christian judgement.

            4. I don’t have demons in me because I think you are wrong. I speak up against hatred and stupidity and that’s got ZERO to do with demons, it’s because this angry, hateful brand of Christianity is offensive in about a million different ways.

            And you’re pitying me? Great!

          • Neiman

            You are in league with demons as you constantly oppose God’s Word, you oppose evangeliism, you defend a hate filled, demon afflicted child and her mother and you are filled with hate for Christ and His Church.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are in league with a hateful and disordered brain. You see things you don’t like and assume demons. That’s stupid and irresponsible.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are delusional. I don’t oppose God or His word, I oppose your rather insane twist on it, and it is downright irresponsible of you to accuse people who think you’re wrong of demonology. That’s a very cowardly and ridiculous charge to make. Especially of a little girl like this who simply wants to eat her dinner in peace.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            No, I’m filled with hate for ignorance and stupidity and YOUR twisting of God’s word. You discount Catholics, the biggest group of Christians in the world, as non-Christian. Do you know how many levels of stupid that is? You are denying the DICTIONARY, which tells us Catholics are Christians, you’re denying every history book ever written, and you’re embracing angry, hateful religion masquerading as Christianity. You are a disgrace.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I don’t oppose God’s word, I oppose the words of obnoxious fundies who are twisting the true intentions of God.

          • Neiman

            This young man was preaching God’s Word, he was according to God’s Word engaged in the ministry of evangelism and it is for him you have expressed your hate, not love. For a child screaming and telling him to shut up about the Gospel, the Gospel that leads to salvation, you defend her and oppose God’s messenger. In your every post you oppose people of faith, defending sins of all kinds.

            You would contrary to the Constitution abridge this man’s rights of religious expression by saying not while people are eating, yet Jesus ministered the word and even healings while He was eating, while everywhere in the public square, at all times. If people are dying in their sins, there is no wrong place to call them to salvation. Men that are lost will not seek the Lord unless someone tells them from God’s Word and how will they hear unless God sends them into the highways, by-ways, into every public place, that some being convicted will turn to God and by repentance seek His salvation?

            Contrary to God’s Word you hold to the traditions of men, you do not hold Christ above men, but submit to men and not the Lord. You do not find God’s intentions in traditions, liturgies, sacraments and the like; but ONLY in His revealed Word.

            Your every post is anti-Christ!

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You know NOTHING of Christ, or Christianity. Your fundamentalism is a religion of hatred and intolerance.

            The zealot was unwelcome, people were assembled having dinner minding their own business and an obnoxious fundie showed up to scream at them about going to hell. He should have been arrested.

          • Neiman

            That’s right, you are the Christian that denies a Christian minister the right to bring the Gospel to the whole world, who sides with demons that hate Christ and want the Gospel silenced and that is anti-Christ. You would want her to scream at Jesus, yes you would, because Jesus was in this man in Spirit, and it was Jesus you want to silence. I could understand if your objection was to the loudspeaker and noise level, I would disagree, but understand, but you agreed with this demon possessed child that he should shut up, that the Christian Gospel be silenced.

            You are also anti-American and anti-Constitution, the 1st Amendment, both free speech and freedom of religious expression cannot be denied in any public square, the minute you make any restriction in any public place or government institution, you have infringed on free speech.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            If he’s a Christian minister then let him set up in a church where people can come to him to hear his message, not set up in a place where loud rantings and ravings are unwelcome and very damaging to young ears.

            This child is not demon possessed, she is an absolute angel and she should win an award for standing up to this fundie monster.

            I am not anti-American, I’m am anti-bigotry.

          • Neiman

            Yes, you are anti-American, you hate the 1st Amendment, especially freedom of religion.

            But worse, by your every utterance under every thread you prove that you hate Jesus Christ and lost souls with every fiber of your being. One day and perhaps sooner than you think, you will stand before Almighty God as your judge as an outspoken enemy of Jesus and lost souls and I pity you.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            In fact I said NOTHING that you accuse me of, and to prove what a liar you are, all my words remain behind for anyone who wants to see for themselves. I wouldn’t be standing up to losers like you if I hated Jesus Christ. I am firmly opposed to fundamentalist zealotry and bigotry.

          • Neiman

            I don’t make accusations lightly, as it is not my desire to offend or accuse without any foundation, but when the facts demand it, I defend the Truth.

            Despite the 1st Amendment protecting free speech and freedom of religious expression, with nary a word therein that says others have a right not to be offended or their meal not be interrupted, yet you deny this man the right to exercise his constitutional rights. Surely by any definition, that is anti-American, as our rights are precious things, even when we disagree with the reason or methods when people exercise those rights, even more so then it is demanded. The 1st Amendment is designed to protect the most offensive speech, as if it is not offensive, it needs no protection.

            In this case and many others, you consistently speak against the most important thing of all – the taking of the Gospel of Salvation to the whole world that the lost may hear the only message of hope, which is in Christ Jesus. Rather, you want no one offended, as Jesus, John the Baptist, the Apostles and a myriad of souls devoted to Christ have willingly caused, even when it cost their lives. The fact is, you are against evangelization and the saving of souls and that by any reasonable definition is the spirit of anti-Christ, it is the same thing as hating Christ and those lost souls on behalf of some idea of political correctness.

            So, I am very careful in establishing a cause for any accusation, not to offend, although it always will, in the hopes that it will waken a few hateful people like you to the fact you have become an enemy of the Cross.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are looking strictly at the legal aspect – it reminds of what the Westboro Baptist Church does, they get as close to a church as the law will allow to picket it and yell all manner of disgusting hatred at a grieving family. Does that make it right? When you’re having dinner with someone and someone is standing in front of you with a microphone screaming at you that you’re a sinner that’s going to go to hell, do YOU appreciate it? When you can’t even hear the person sitting right in front of you? As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t even matter WHAT he’s spouting, he could be singing show tunes for all I care, it’s RUDE, it’s OBNOXIOUS, and common sense dictates that that person needs to be removed, or at the very least told to SHUT UP.

            And if you want to hear the “gospel of salvation” to go a CHURCH.

          • Neiman

            You have absolutely no idea what Free Speech means, not the slightest clue. It was placed in the Bill of Rights to protect speech that others, perhaps even most of the people of the world would find offensive, as if it is not offensive it needs no protection.

            When you decide what speech, at what place and in what manner it can be freely expressed, you are against the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and are an enemy of liberty.

            Would you tell Jesus to shut up, would you have Him removed by force if He was standing there calling lost souls to salvation? Yes you would and that is what this young man was doing, standing in the place of Christ – as His anointed vessel, in the Love of God, calling lost and dying souls to turn from their sins and to God, just exactly as Jesus did in every public square, in the Temple and in private homes. That attitude, your attitude is hateful of Christ, it is seething hatred of lost souls and it proves that the spirit of the anti-Christ dwells in your dark and hate filled heart, you would rather this young girl and her mother would go to hell – suffer forever without end, rather than their having their supper interrupted.

            Jesus, John the Baptist, the Apostles all did exactly what this young man was doing, they publicly proclaimed the Gospel, because lost souls that do not know they are lost, do not go to Church, they have to be met on the highways and by-ways, in dark corners, in crack houses, in bars, and in the most public of places, they have to be confronted and made to fill ill at ease, their consciences desperately need to be made uncomfortable, their meals interrupted. If they are offended, it is for their eternal good. But, rather than their being confronted and made ill at ease, you would rather have them in hell. Yours sir, is the spirit of the anti-Christ, you are doing the work of Satan, you are his disciple. You need to hear the Gospel, you need to know that you deserve hell, that you are an eenmy of God, you need repentance and to find a new life in Christ and if that offends you, I have no apologies, I would rather offend you and make you angry, if there is even the most remote chance you will be redeemed before it is too late.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            What the hell is the matter with you, I say everything in DEFENSE of the peaceful message of Jesus, I stand up to maniacs like you who just want to cause pain to other people, and I’m “hateful of Christ”. Everything you have “learned” is backwards. People don’t like to be bothered by crazy religious people when they’re eating. REGARDLESS of the message. Why can’t you comprehend that?

          • Neiman

            You don’t even know Jesus at all. Don’t you recall that he said he did not come to bring peace, but to set brother against brother? His was decidedly not a message of peace, yes for those that would repent and by faith except him as their Savior they would have peace with God through him, but he made it clear that the world would hate him and hate his children. Don’t you recall that he said as the world, which includes you, that hated him and murdered him would also hate his children? Don’t you recall his many public calls for repentance? Don’t you recall that just like this fine young man, he went everywhere to reprove men of their sins, to calling them to repentance and unto salvation? What this young man should have done, as Jesus did often, command the demon spirit in this young girl to be silent in Jesus name.

            Of course people like you don’t want to be bothered by people of faith, you want nothing to get in the way of you fulfilling your lusts, you don’t want to feel bad about your sins, you don’t want to submit to God, to repent and to seek his salvation, making Him not just your Savior but also the absolute Lord over every part of your life. Of course, people don’t want to hear that message, and it is only people like you, pretending to be Christians, that would want to silence a man of God taking that same message, to the same lost world, to reprove people of their sins and calling them to salvation. Of course you don’t want people to be upset, because it upsets you, because you know that you are steeped in sin and an enemy of Christ.

            Jesus predicted exactly what you are doing, he said that His children that dared to share the gospel of salvation, that dared to make a call for repentance would be hated, persecuted, find, jailed and even killed because of their love for him and for the lost.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I bet you 50 billion dollars Jesus wouldn’t approve of some idiot like this guy screaming some fundamentalist bastardization of his message at people when they’re eating dinner quietly by themselves. This fine young man should be scooped up by the police and thrown in jail…THAT is something I’ll bet Jesus would get behind!

          • Neiman

            Okay, you start with a lie – you don’t even have $50 billion, you are betting money while you cannot even back up that bet with real money.

            You love to rage against fundamentalists and you don’t even know what that means. Which are:

            The inerrancy of the Bible
            The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding
            Christ’s miracles and the Creation account in Genesis
            The Virgin Birth of Christ
            The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ
            The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross

            It seems to you that these things are pretty dangerous and you reject them all, calling them a bastardization of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

            You can bet all the money you have, but by God’s word you cannot prove that Jesus would object at all and it is certainly blasphemous and extreme for you to suggest that Jesus would approve of having this person silenced and thrown in jail. He said that those hating His children, that would silence them and persecute them were His enemies. It is all based upon your hate, your extreme, seething hatred for anyone that would dare to go into the public square in the most public places, to preach against sin and to call people to salvation in Jesus Christ. It is a message you simply cannot bear, because you know in your own heart that you are guilty and in need of a Savior. You keep talking about the real message of Christianity, which by your words is all about some kind of saccharine, sweet love that never of opposes sin, that does not call people to repentance and in accepting Christ as their Savior, but that is false.

            You deny every example in Scripture from Jesus, to John the Baptist, to Paul, the apostles and a myriad of Saints throughout the Christian era that, absent modern technology were doing exactly what this young man was doing that were doing so in the public square, in places accessed by the public, wherein they boldly proclaimed the Gospel of Salvation. This young man in his love of Christ and his love of lost souls, was so courageous in willingly accepting abuse, attacks from people like you, persecution and even of people like you who wanted him jailed. While you defend a demon in this young girl that had no other purpose but to keep souls from hearing the Gospel. You are on the side, you are a disciple of, the spirit of antichrist.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            The point was it doesn’t matter how large a sum of money. It’s not a lie, it’s hyperbole – learn the difference.

            Precisely, you believe in talking snakes and physical impossibilities like God creating the sun on the 4th day (how could we have known how many days had passed without the sun)? That’s recklessly irresponsible since we know them to be impossible, and why many things HAVE to be taken as metaphors. Yes, you people are DANGEROUS.

          • Neiman

            In a strange way I’m grateful for all of these exchanges with you, although you didn’t mean to you have contributed to the massive evidence of the war against God.

            When you say that it was physically impossible for God to create the sun on the fourth day, while I could explain why you are wrong when you suggest that it implies an unknown period of time for the days before then; you would not listen anyway and it would only encourage another long, pointless and vain disputation that would benefit no one. What I will say is that if God said he created all things in six days and from Moses on word and throughout the Christian era, his children has consistently believed it was six roughly 24 hour days, as we now know them now; and, assuming you are right just for the point of discussion, then God allowed his children to believe something that was false for many thousands of years, despite the fact that he had ample opportunities to bring clarification, which means He is guilty of deceiving his people. That would make him a deceiver and a liar, at a minimum it would make him an absentee parent who just didn’t care whether his children believed what was true or not. If God, as all believers assert, is a God of love, what kind of love would it be to deliberately, consciously allow his children to be deceived throughout all human history?

            To suggest that God would so callously abuse his own children and allow them to believe what is false, as an Almighty God would have no such motive, if you were right, it would mean that God does not exist. That is the true goal of the homosexual movement and of the theory of evolution, it is all aimed at one single goal, to try and prove that God does not exist. You are part of that movement, whether consciously or not, your every utterance is designed to deny the existence of God.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            It’s very enlightening speaking to you as well, for example I had no idea that I was involved in a war against God. I had no idea I hated God, that I’ve got Satan on my side, or anything else. In order to find these things out I had to speak to a fundamentalist “Christian” who only knows me from the words I type on a screen. So amazing, if you want to know what you really THINK a fundamentalist will always tell you. They’ll never ASK you what you think. They only TELL you.

            Likewise you are certain that the goal of the “homosexual movement” is to disprove God. Even though every single thing I’ve ever read about homosexuals is that they want to coexist with the rest of us and have the right to love the people they have fallen in love with. In fact, they never mention God at all. But you’re certain they’re out to cause destruction to the world. I find your thought processes bizarre and shocking in the extreme since they seem to have ZERO to do with the logic and reason the rest of us use.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are looking strictly at the legal aspect – it reminds of what the Westboro Baptist Church does, they get as close to a church as the law will allow to picket it and yell all manner of disgusting hatred at a grieving family. Does that make it right? When you’re having dinner with someone and someone is standing in front of you with a microphone screaming at you that you’re a sinner that’s going to go to hell, do YOU appreciate it? When you can’t even hear the person sitting right in front of you? As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t even matter WHAT he’s spouting, he could be singing show tunes for all I care, it’s RUDE, it’s OBNOXIOUS, and common sense dictates that that person needs to be removed, or at the very least told to SHUT UP.

            And if you want to hear the “gospel of salvation” to go a CHURCH.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are looking strictly at the legal aspect – it reminds of what the Westboro Baptist Church does, they get as close to a church as the law will allow to picket it and yell all manner of disgusting hatred at a grieving family. Does that make it right? When you’re having dinner with someone and someone is standing in front of you with a microphone screaming at you that you’re a sinner that’s going to go to hell, do YOU appreciate it? When you can’t even hear the person sitting right in front of you? As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t even matter WHAT he’s spouting, he could be singing show tunes for all I care, it’s RUDE, it’s OBNOXIOUS, and common sense dictates that that person needs to be removed, or at the very least told to SHUT UP.

            And if you want to hear the “gospel of salvation” to go a CHURCH.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are looking strictly at the legal aspect – it reminds me of what the Westboro Baptist Church does, they get as close to a church as the law will allow to picket it and yell all manner of disgusting hatred at a grieving family. Does that make it right? When you’re having dinner with someone and someone is standing in front of you with a microphone screaming at you that you’re a sinner that’s going to go to hell, do YOU appreciate it? When you can’t even hear the person sitting right in front of you? As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t even matter WHAT he’s spouting, he could be singing show tunes for all I care, it’s RUDE, it’s OBNOXIOUS, and common sense dictates that that person needs to be removed, or at the very least told to SHUT UP.

            And if you want to hear the “gospel of salvation” to go a CHURCH.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are looking strictly at the legal aspect – it reminds me of what
            the Westboro Baptist Church does, they get as close to a church as the
            law will allow to picket it and yell all manner of disgusting hatred at a
            grieving family. Does that make it right? When you’re having dinner
            with someone and someone is standing in front of you with a microphone
            screaming at you that you’re a sinner that’s going to go to hell, do YOU
            appreciate it? When you can’t even hear the person sitting right in
            front of you? As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t even matter WHAT he’s
            spouting, he could be singing show tunes for all I care, it’s RUDE,
            it’s OBNOXIOUS, and common sense dictates that that person needs to be
            removed, or at the very least told to SHUT UP.

            And if you want to hear the “gospel of salvation” to go a CHURCH.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            You are looking strictly at the legal aspect – it reminds of what the Westboro Baptist Church does, they get as close to a church as the law will allow to picket it and yell all manner of disgusting hatred at a grieving family. All they concern themselves with is staying inside the law, they aren’t concerned at all with human decency. Does that make what they do right? When you’re having dinner with someone and someone is standing in front of you with a microphone screaming at you that you’re a sinner that’s going to go to hell, do YOU appreciate it? When you can’t even hear the person sitting right in front of you? As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t even matter WHAT he’s spouting, he could be singing show tunes for all I care, it’s RUDE, it’s OBNOXIOUS, and common sense dictates that that person needs to be removed, or at the very least told to be quiet. And if you want to hear the “gospel of salvation” to go a church.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            All you are looking strictly at the legal aspect – it reminds of what the WBC Church does – they get as close to a church as the law will allow to picket it and yell all manner of disgusting hatred at a grieving family.

            Does that make it right?

            When you’re having dinner with someone and someone is standing in front of you with a microphone screaming at you that
            you’re a sinner that’s going to go to hell, do YOU appreciate it, especially when you can’t even hear the person sitting right in front of you?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            If he’s a Christian minister then let him set up in a church where people can come to him to hear his message, not set up in a place where loud rantings and ravings are unwelcome and very damaging to young ears.

            This child is not demon possessed, she is an absolute angel and she should win an award for standing up to this fundie monster.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are not a Christian, you are a fundamentalist. Your beliefs fly in the face of every other form of Christianity out there, and for good reason – your religion is hatred, intolerance, lies and deception.

            People were assembled to enjoy a meal and did not want or need the words of a crazed fundie zealot screaming at them that they are going to hell. The girl is a hero. And the zealot should have been arrested. It’s that simple.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            1. John the Baptist would not interrupt a group of people quietly eating dinner and minding their own business the way this guy does. It’s rude, it’s not the right place to do it, it’s unwelcome, and common sense should tell the preacher to do it elsewhere.

            2. I don’t oppose God’s word, I just don’t think it should be forcefully screamed at people minding their own business trying to talk and eat dinner. If people want salvation, they’ll go somewhere other than a restaurant to get it.

            3. Just because something is in the Constitution doesn’t make it right. Just because something’s LEGAL doesn’t make it right. When those psychopaths that set up shop in small towns with billboards of aborted fesuses which everyone is forced to look at whether they want to or not, that’s legal but it’s about the least “right” think I can think of – it’s utterly disgusting. This isn’t far off from that.

            4. Just because I think you’re saying idiotic things and you’re wrong doesn’t mean I have demons in me, it just means I think you’re saying idiotic things and you’re wrong. Common tactic with people like you, there is no disagreeing – you just say the other person’s demon possessed. That’s childish and embarrassing on your part.

            And you pity me. Great!

    • http://theravenspoke.blogspot.com/ TheRaven

      That girl has obviously been raised right, taught to think for herself and not cotton to risible nonsense. She’s got my vote!

  • Toa

    One can imagine what kind of home she comes from.
    Looks like an up-and-coming Dunham Girl (as in Stanley Ann or Lena).

  • Stacy Belin

    I would’ve turned to that little girl and spoke about love. The very reason our Father created life. Everybody understands and needs that.

    • Neiman

      He should have turned and gently, firmly rebuked the demonic spirit in her in Jesus Name.

      It IS the love of God to warn people of the wages of sin, in his examples he was talking about the Love of God in saving souls. When you speak of love, I suspect like so many people today you mean ‘stop opposing sin, stop calling people to repentance.’ Just shut up and talk about saccharine sweet love without warning them of the eternal consequences of sin, excuse sin, right?

  • Jeffrey Andrews

    Well the child has a right to free speech also, but if she were my daughter I would spank her butt for disrespect to an adult like that. She is a brat, and her parents may think she is cute when she acts out like this against Christians, but wait until she turns that same behavior on her parents, teachers or those of authority over her in other positions. Won’t be that cute then.

    • Sha-wei

      “Raise crows, and they’ll gouge out your eyes.” This gem of (Castilian) Spanish
      letters (“Cría cuervos, y te sacarán los ojos.”) is, albeit secular in origin, certainly applicable by what you say, is it not?

      Be that as it may:

      brave man… please pray for even greater fortitude for the brother;

      poor child… pray for her quick liberation from demonic oppression;

      foolish mother… pray that she SEES the gross error of her ways (WHILE SHE STILL CAN).

    • teppy

      uuum no she doesnt have any rights as far as the us and state is concerned as she is a child and can not vote yet so she hasnt right to free speech or property or even her own self hence why she is labeled as a minor..what her and her parent need are a good old fashion hide tanning to line them out

      • Jenni Lovsey

        Are you that stupid or do you pretend to be? Go read the constitution and then get lost troll.

        • Nan

          Freedom of speech is as to government not as to private parties.

    • Jenni Lovsey

      You’re are nothing but a holy rolling ass who thinks women and children should bow down to you per your cult leaders.

  • Evolution is a fact

    Good for her. Keep up the good work, young lady.

    • MM237

      No bad for her. And you should be ashamed. God should not be mocked, the message should be heeded. And it’s shameful for a parent to put a kid up to it. And ps Darwinism isnt a “fact”, the evidence supports the Bible’s view.

      • DreamingOfPan

        She wasn’t mocking your god, she was trying to make it known that his preaching wasn’t welcome. But, hey, free speech I guess.

        • Sha-wei

          “How long will you who are simple love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?
          Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my thoughts to you, I will make known to you my teachings.

          But since you refuse to listen when I call and no one pays attention when I stretch out my hand, since you disregard all my advice and do not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes you;

          I will mock when calamity overtakes you—when calamity
          overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you. For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them; but whoever listens to me will live in
          safety and be at ease, without fear of harm.”

          IT’S COMING, on YOUR heads and ours: chaos and catastrophe on an unparalleled scale! But what is commanded of the Destroying Angels? “Do not harm the land or the sea or
          the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Hallelujah!

        • Lulu Reynolds

          That’s hate speech not free speech. In all my years I’ve never seen children do this and as I said before, this is no different than yelling at gay people or anyone else you don’t agree with. This is part of people’s lives, deal with it and go figure out how your double standards are okay and then come post about how you believe those standards are fair, go ahead, make a case for yourself.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Sorry, wrong. Telling someone to shut up or yelling at them, isn’t hate speech, which I think is ridiculous anyways. He was free to say as he pleased, and she was free to tell him she thought he should shut his pie hole. I don’t know where you’re getting the “double standards” thing from. I think they both have the right to say whatever they wish, that is the beauty of this country (ideally at least).

        • teppy

          its GOD! not “your GOD ” and your creator so it behooves you to shut up and get some act right!! and get a bath also you stink!

          • DreamingOfPan

            Certifiable. Or a little kid. … which one are ya?

      • Lauren

        I mock your imaginary friend. He’s a dick.

        Evolution IS a FACT, and there is nothing that supports the bible…except the bible.

        When you say micro evolution is a fact but macro isn’t that is like saying I believe in a centimeter, but I don’t believe in a mile.

      • Bolvon72

        If your religion is not to be mocked, why was it created to be so easily mocked? I guess to be a self fulfilling prophecy.

    • Tim Raynor

      I totally agree. Good for her parents teaching her about how to stand up for her rights and civil liberties. Expressing your rights and civil views, no matter what your age, is a Constitutional right and does not equate to disrespect. Freedom is ugly and messy sometimes, and it’s something you have to buck-up and deal with.

      • teppy

        you must be a very lonely sick pathetic person i won’t say man because that you are far from!! no one has rights until they can vote she cant own anything or vote hence why she is labeled a minor you loathsome pathetic creature they are teaching her to be an asshole and liberal jack ass which in turn will make her hated and disrespected by many and cause her pain as its clear you love the exploitation and abuse of children as you sit here and stand up for such a thing.. more than likely you are a registered sex offender or will be one soon!!

        • Tim Raynor

          People of all ages have rights protected under the Constitution, teppy. Sure, there are laws that govern parent to child, such as kid s can’t by alcohol for obvious reasons, but they are entitled the same freedom of speech as anyone else. If they had no Constitutional rights, then they wouldn’t have the right to pray or express their religion in school, for example.

          • DreamingOfPan

            Ignore this person (teppy). He/she is either crazy, mentally deficient, or just a little kid who doesn’t know jack squat.

          • Tim Raynor

            I kind of figured something was wrong with teppy, but I just didn’t want to be mean or anything. Thanks DreamingOfPan (Your icon pic makes me want to watch that movie. What a great, great film.) 😉

      • sisserydoo

        I wonder if they’ll be just as happy when she’s yelling at them in a year or two? I wonder how they feel when she does this to the teachers at school?
        They are not teaching her to “stand up for her rights and civil liberties”, they’re teaching her to be a nasty little brat.

    • teppy

      aww look it lies someabout this being good work yet doesnt even know the truth of its own history how cute you must think you are with your imigainary hope and
      dreams and fairytale stories of utter bull crapp yet lost children make
      more sense than you..

  • Jeanette Victoria

    But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it
    would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his
    neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea Matthew 18:6

    • Uhmbaya Laury

      Yep amen!

    • Jud Bennett

      Let’s see how long you keep your cool while trying to walk down a street, enjoying a festival of any kind, full of people chattering with amplifiers at full volume.

      These proselytizers are willfully breaking the noise ordinances, and being disrespectful inconsiderate asses, because they know that there are too many of them for the police to effectively enforce said ordinances.

      • Jeanette Victoria

        I was a Pagan for 30 years I know all the major Pagans in the US. When these street preacher were around I simply went on with my business and ignored them Like any adult would do. I suggest you grow up.

        • Jud Bennett

          I should have expected you to follow the example of most of these “good Christians” and go for the insults when I raise a point you disagree with. But, it doesn’t make me mad, I find it very amusing to see the hostility people try to hide.

          As for your OP, I guess the proselytizer should go swimming with a heavy stone as it’s his volume that has led the child to “sin” by causing her to express her anger in a manner that a child would.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Suggesting that an adult act like an adult is hardly an insult. And it is not the street preacher who has caused that child to behave in a vile and disgusting manner it was her parents. at 8 the little girl is not self-aware yet to realize how evil how behavior is.

          • Jud Bennett

            Implying that I’m not acting like an adult because I brought up a point you don’t necessarily agree with is insulting.

            If the street preacher hadn’t been using amplification at an excessive volume I doubt she would have expressed her anger at him. I doubt her parent(s) told her to go yell at the boy.

            I’m sure, he’s probably just the unfortunate that got the heat after she’d been subjected to his choice of method of loud proselytizing many times that day.

            As far as her behavior goes, she acted like an angry child, which is what she was. That’s not evil, that’s nature.

          • Nan

            If I had behaved like that in public, we’d have gone home. It is her parents who are at fault for not teaching her how to behave.

          • Jud Bennett

            Yes, she was misbehaving, but that’s not my point. My point is that it was brought on by the general disrespect that street preacher was showing towards everyone around him by his use of a portable amplifier at max volume.

          • Nan

            But it was up to her parents to school her on how to behave in public. The street preacher was fine; his volume was up because there was a lot going on.

          • Jud Bennett

            No, he wasn’t fine. He was competing to have his voice heard above all the other proselytizers. She’d just had enough loud voices in her ears and, like so many normal people, she lost her temper. Had he not been part of the problem, she would have snapped at someone else.

    • Gina Marie

      YUP! Amen

  • Oracle

    Ephesians 6:12
    12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    • sam

      I was literally about to put the same thing. The Spirit of God is moving

      • Oracle

        The devil hates it when we share the gospel in the open. The parent of the child is responsible for the possession of that little girl. As parents, we have the ability to pass generational spirits down and also sacrifice our children to the enemy through the occult. You can see it in her eyes. The hatred for the man of God. The spirit of Jezebel and witchcraft is all over that girl.

        • Jenni Lovsey

          Smoke a bit too much of that crack did ya?

          • Oracle

            I pray the Lord would open your eyes. Why are you angry? Why the bitterness? What is the reason for your hostility?

  • Maria Louise Taylor

    For the Scriptures say, “‘As surely as I live,’ says the LORD, every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will confess and give praise to God.'” Romans 14:11

    • Jud Bennett

      Just don’t do it with a portable backpack amplifier at max volume.

      • Maria Louise Taylor

        there will be no need for amplifiers as EVERY knee will bend and confess and give praise to God. 😉 x

        • Jud Bennett

          If the others thought as you do, there would be a lot less people angry at these street preachers.

          • Maria Louise Taylor

            I think the main issue here is that evil fears the name of Jesus and the freedom he brings.

          • Jud Bennett

            I don’t fear the name of Jesus… I mean… (For those readers without a sense of humor, this opening line is a joke. Lighten up.)

            No, regardless of what the so called journalist wrote, in this instance, I think the most likely explanation was that the girl’s rage was triggered by the excessive volume. She handled it better than I would have. I would have started cutting microphone/power cords, but anxiety/depression can do that to a person.

          • Maria Louise Taylor

            I never said you fear the name of Jesus what I said was ‘I think the main issue here is that evil fears the name of Jesus’. As for the reason behind why they girl is responding, I will agree to disagree with you on that one.

  • Jud Bennett

    The people wouldn’t mind the street preachers so much if the street preachers didn’t use amplifiers and bull horns. It’s the amplification devices at excessive volume levels that are doing more to piss off the people and the businesses than what the street preachers are saying.

    The proselytizing with amplification happens all year long. It just gets really outrageous at ANY celebration in Salem. Not just Halloween.

    • RM

      So, if the musicians use amplification and the tour guides use amplification, etc, to get their “message” across it is okay, but for the street preachers to use it to get their message across, it is not okay? Also they had an amplification ban this year which the street preachers followed, but I noticed several tour guides for CERTAIN businesses did not and that those running the stage on Essex did not follow the rules of the ban one evening starting earlier before the ban was lifted. Cops did nothing about those who didn’t follow the “rules” set by their chief. Bottom line… the ban was set up to stop the preachers. No one cared about the other groups using amplification but just if the preachers used it. It absolutely has nothing to do with the noise but with what they are saying.

      • Jud Bennett

        So you appear to be saying that the street preachers have permits much like the concert organizers and tour guides do and are not just showing up to get in people’s faces.

        • RM

          What I am saying is people that say they have an issue with the street preachers VOLUME is false but the real issue people have is with the SUBJECT of their preaching. The SUBJECT they have a problem with is SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. Is that clear enough for you?

          • Jud Bennett

            I’m pretty sure most of the people don’t care about the content, just the method of it’s delivery.

  • Oracle

    The devil hates it when we share the gospel in the open. The parent of the child is responsible for the possession of that little girl. As parents, we have the ability to pass generational spirits down and also sacrifice our children to the enemy through the occult. You can see it in her eyes. The hatred for the man of God. The spirit of Jezebel and witchcraft is all over that girl. I pray the Lord would return the innocence that was stolen from that little girl back to her in Jesus Name!

    • Bolvon72

      A lot of people hate it when they have to walk past a DB with a megaphone. At least she used her own voice to put forth her message.

      • Yesterday987G

        Her message? Exactly what was her “message”?

        • Bolvon72

          That people going to Salem for Halloween aren’t there for Jesus.

          • Yesterday987G

            That’s not what that little girl was saying. Maybe you should watch the video again and imagine it is not a Christian she is talking to. Let’s say she was talking to a Muslim. Should she have acted this way?

    • Jud Bennett

      People hate it when someone’s using an amplifier at excessive volume levels non stop all night.

      People also hate it when judgmental asshats talk a bunch of drivel. She wasn’t possessed, she was pissed. Learn the difference.

      I will pray to God that he may lead you away from your arrogance and hatred, and educate you out of your ignorance.

      • Neiman

        Your god is obviously the god of this world and you are doing his will in your anti-Christ words.

        • Jud Bennett

          You amuse me.

      • Oracle

        What are you doing for the Kingdom? Exactly! Seek the Lord and you will find Him. I pray that your eyes may be open to the truth of the Gospel.

        • Jud Bennett

          The truth of the gospel doesn’t instruct one to go harassing people of differing beliefs with your own. Sure, you can attempt to proselytize to them, but you are supposed to be respectful and kind, setting a good example. And if they aren’t interested, you are to leave them be, not continue to come at them with escalation.

          • Mars Chatterton

            watch the video again Jud, he did respect the little girls view, he ignored her he did not engage in a fight of words

          • Jud Bennett

            Ignoring someone is not the same as respecting their point of view. He was showing a decided lack of respect to everyone around him.

  • conversationpc

    Loud street preaching like that is annoying and the little girl’s behavior is even worse.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      HELL will be annoying

  • Leo McCarron

    last time I checked we had what is called Freedom of Speech but I guess that only applies to people who hate anything they don’t want to listen to or get their children to parrot their words like ” Shut Up”

    • Jud Bennett

      How one sided of you. He had the freedom to proselytize to his hearts content just like the girl had the freedom to go yell at him because his use of an amplifier at excessive volume pissed her off. The freedom goes both ways.

  • xdzine

    Jesus commanded ALL Believers to CAST OUT demons (Mark 16:17) (Mathew 10:8). Jesus did not say to go to someone else to have your demons CAST OUT. Nor did Jesus say to CAST OUT everyone else’s demons and leave yours IN.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      OK!

  • jr

    sad this young girls was being so disrespectful and her parents were doing nothing another sinner lost.this is what is wrong with this world today

    • Jud Bennett

      Sad that the proselytizer was being so disrespectful to everyone around him by using an amplifier at excessive volume, not to mention that he was doing it “throughout the night”.

    • RM

      They were doing something. They were coaxing her in what to say, having her do their bidding, and then at the end (not on video) gave her money to buy popcorn to throw at the preacher. (I saw it for myself.) Sad for the girl and a poor excuse for parents!

  • Mike

    Anyone else think it’s funny that the girl said “no one is listening” and now over 250,000 people have listened online? Ha!

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      God’s using it to teach sinners the way of salvation

  • Daniel Lopez

    I believe in being kind. God doesn’t make us who we are, I believe we become who we want to become. I think that is what god would actually want for us. What is the point of living if we have no control over it? Does that mean we are essentially machines?

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      The problem is you think to much. What does the Word of God say? That’s what counts. Think all you want and end up in HELL. Get educated study the Word of Jesus Christ and see for your self. He is the SON of GOD in flesh

      • Daniel Lopez

        I think for myself I don’t let others think for me or “teach” me what to think. The only thing I study is the science of the world and universe. You actually proved my point about Christians going against someone just because the beliefs are different. I won’t go to hell just because I didn’t “study” the word of “god”. I will go to heaven because I am kind to others which is what jesus preached.

        • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

          You’ll go straight to HELL because your a sinner like the rest of us. The difference between me and you is I know I’m a sinner and have received His forgiveness. Your proud and ignorantly arrogant and think your a “good person” and your not. Your pride blinds you. Be humble man.

          • Daniel Lopez

            Oh he talked to you? What does he sound like? You don’t know me. I am better than you for sure because I am no hypocrite by saying someone is going to hell and then say ” I am a Christian I am kind”. Hell doesn’t exist and neither does heaven. When you die you will be 6 feet under, or in a jar, or scattered into the sea. I am proud of who I am because I don’t let some book tell me what to think. You are simple being who is easily fooled.

          • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

            Do you know what ignorance means?

            James 4:5-7 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
            Proverbs 16:5

            Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord:

          • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

            It is kind to speak the truth. I do apologize for your ignorance. The truth is you are blind spiritually. And we that see must have patients with people that are blind. Your pride is what blinds you and gives Satan power to deceive you.

            2 Corinthians 4:4

            In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
            which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
            is the image of God, should shine unto them.

            You can not see because you do not understand nor believe the great gift God has given to man.

            If you were to humble yourself and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ on the cross to atone for your sin God would open the eyes of your heart and you would be saved from your judgment. Now that is being loving don’t you think? I have told you the truth.

            You are ignorant because you do not know. But now you know you are ignorant, because of the blindness of your heart, it is your pride, I have told you.

            Ephesians 4:18

            Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

            Know your pride will be offended at me for telling you this. But God wants you to believe His Word written by men to man.

            Now that you know God commands you to Repent, turn from you unbelief to faith in Jesus Christ.

            Acts 17:30

            And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

            Acts 3:19

            Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

            He will give you the promised Holy Spirit
            John 8:32

            and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

            This is the love of God for proud, hard hearted, blind sinners like you and me.

            It is His gift of life.

  • Penny Prothero

    The devils child. Should have rebuked her then and there.

  • Jenni Lovsey

    Holy rollers shouldnt be seen or heard.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      Bigot

  • Sally Fields

    Oh, my goodness…who is this wicked child?! Where are her parents??? She is just awful!!!

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      She’s lost, pray for her and her mother it’s normal in this sinful world we live

  • Sally Fields

    Product of the mental disorder called Liberalism

  • Oracle

    The Word never returns void. People do not want to hear or believe the Gospel but they cannot stop it from being heard. How many people have clicked on this link and watched this video? Thousands! If only one person on here hears the gospel message and surrender their life to Christ because of it, then the man with the microphone has done his job. In the end, God’s providential will is done. Praise the Lord God Almighty. I exalt thee Lord!!!!!

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      That’s right the power is in the Word not in the sower, Preach the Gospel!

  • Erik H Ahlblad

    That street preacher was not phased by the yelling of the little girl. And sorry for the girl under the bondage because of her mother. Sorry they both were under a heavy bondage.

  • david ramseur

    Those who know the truth are not fazed by those who oppose them. If they are bold enough to speak the truth in public to a lost and dying world like this, you can be assured that they are motivated by pure love. This brother is an inspiration. Jesus is saying, well done thy good and faithful servant!

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      That’s right!

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.reynolds.5667 David Reynolds

    Yeah. Little chick is probably possessed.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      Yep it’s talkin through her

  • TruthSeeker ForChrist

    Every person alive on this planet is under the power and control of Satan unless they are born again of the Spirit of the one true living God. Satan knows his time is short and is trying to pull as many souls to hell with him as possible. The time is near….

    • Bolvon72

      Cool, never heard that one before.

      • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

        That’s because your ignorant of the truth

        • Bolvon72

          Wow, I could be ignorant of sarcasm. that would be a bummer.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      That’s Right!

  • The Real JC

    Good for her! We need to speak out against these ignorant deluded assholes, this is the 21st century ffs, it’s embarrassing
    that there are still so many idiots going on about these worthless, backward superstitions….

    • bumblebee8

      First of all he was preaching the Gospel, he was not humiliating anyone, singling anyone out, or demeaning anyone. The Gospel is not offensive if people listen to what is being said. The little girl on the other hand has no right to be so rude, demeaning, and outright obnoxious to the preacher. He did a great job ignoring her bullying.

      So I guess if she was doing that in response to any other person or group it would be called differently, but because he is a preacher it is alright. If the family did not like what was being said then they can move along like everyone else would do. She needs to learn manners, tolerance, and self control or one day her mouth is going to get her into trouble one day. It is just bad parenting any way you look at it.

      • Neiman

        If it was a pro-gay marriage or pro-homosexuality or pro-abortion speaker, it would never have happened.

        • bumblebee8

          Perhaps, but if it did happen to those particular groups, there would be more people coming to the person/groups defense than they do for the preacher. That is the new conundrum for those who try to stand with the victim of bullying, what if they do not agree with who or what the person is saying/doing. Will they afford the same protection to them.

      • Tim Raynor

        She has every right to express her opinion no matter how rude it may seem to you. Cool story, it’s called the Constitution. Some people take offense to people shouting the gospel. You don’t like the rude rebuttal? Too bad, that’s how freedom works. It’s certainly not pretty, but deal with it.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      Your a bigot think about that before you respond in intolerance and hate

  • Guest

    Never seemed more appropriate

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      Lol!

  • JB

    Let’s forget the argument for freedom of speech and freedom of religion for a minute. Let’s even forget Christianity for arguments sake. What kind of parenting is being done in that house? I can only guess their parenting style.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      Yep keep guessing

      • JB

        🙂 definitely have to remember that poor girl and her parents in prayer. I am afraid what type of young woman she will become. Poor girl.

  • http://www.bulldogbootcamp.com Greg Major (57/5’7″/192)

    Way to go Girl. If people want to stand on a corner preaching their personal beliefs then more people should do what this girl did. Tell them to shut it.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      That’s right you shut up

  • Brenda Golden

    And in the years to come when she is drug addicted, whoring for her next meal because she spent her check on drugs her mom will be so proud. And probably this apple fell straight down.

    • Bolvon72

      Could be worse, she could be on the corner whoring herself for jesus for free.

      • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

        Really?

        • Bolvon72

          Really really!

  • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

    She’s a demon.

  • Stephen Aker

    To begin with, he isn’t much of a preacher. I really don’t sense a passion or a deep sense of love that drove Paul in such single minded devotion to the Lord. He seems like another guy just parroting the party line, talking the conservative evangelical talk, and it

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      Yah let’s see you do it better mouth

      • Stephen Aker

        Intentions are everything OAS. Why else would Jesus say that the pure in heart shall see God?

        • RM

          It never ceases to amaze me to see other so called Christians tearing down another Christian because they don’t do something the way THEY think it should be done (and I’m not talking differences in doctrine). If you are a Christian, you should be backing up another brother or sister in Christ for putting forth time and effort to share the Gospel with the lost instead of tearing them down. Don’t we have enough to deal with in fighting Satan and his demons than to have to fight amongst other brothers and sisters in Christ. REALLY?

          • Stephen Aker

            I did go too far, yes, sorry about that – but I did not mean to tear him down.

        • Neiman

          “The heart of man is naturally unclean; nor is it in the power of man to make it clean, or to be pure from his sin; nor is any man in this life, in such sense, so pure in heart, as to be entirely free from sin. This is only true of Christ, angels, and glorified saints: but such may be said to be so, who, though they have sin dwelling in them, are justified from all sin, by the righteousness of Christ, and are “clean through the word”, and whose hearts are sprinkled with the blood of Jesus, which cleanses from all sin; and who have the grace of God wrought in their hearts, which, though as yet imperfect, it is entirely pure; there is not the least spot or stain of sin in it: and such souls as they are in love with, so they most earnestly desire after more purity of heart, lip, life, and conversation.”

          No man is pure in heart while in the flesh, but redeemed, cleansed in the Spirit by the blood of the Lamb, they are made pure by Christ. Intentions are not what counts, it is the Love of Christ only.

          • Stephen Aker

            That was a bit of overstatement on my part, I was trying to drive the point home. I would say that it is only in the Love of Christ where we are made right, and pure intentions are found there and there only. But you are right, the Love of Christ is what matters over all.

            I think that when someone examines being pure in heart while in this life we come to the difference between being sinless and being blameless, but that is a whole ‘nother subject.

    • Neiman

      Jesus said those that are not against Him are for Him, He strongly reproved His disciples when they criticized others for baptizing in His Name and told them to leave them alone. If he is preaching the Gospel, who are you to judge? Maybe he was tired, maybe he was every sincere but just not anointed to preach, who knows. You should rejoice that the Gospel was being preached. You know Paul actually said he was very unimpressive when speaking in person, Moses was likewise not a great preacher and so God used Arron to speak for him.

      That little girl was full of hate and a demon and she needs our prayers and while you are at it, pray that this young man, if he is a Christian, will grow in his ability to speak.

      • Stephen Aker

        I hear you, well said. I guess I’ve grown tired of hearing so many who come across just like this and have found them to be so shallow in person, the kind that seems to be the first person to run when someone is in a crisis and so on.(Sorry, don’t mean to be judging again).

        I don’t know if the girl has a demon or not, but what you have said is true, thank you.

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  • Stephen Aker

    And to add to that, I think if he was really doing this out of pure motives he would of stopped and talked to the girl and shown some interest in who she was. Not doing so seems to suggest that he was simply more interested in having gotten some more ‘preaching’ under his belt than having truly shown and expressed God’s love.

    • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

      Yep the mouth that flaps that has never stood in the OpenAir and preached the Gospel

  • Daniel Hudson

    But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. ~ Matthew 18:6

    Oh mommy dearest, remember that you are responsible for your Child’s behavior. And this is what Jesus told us while teaching to the masses. So you may think it’s funny now, but there’s a special place for you coming very soon.

    Now, folks, face it, we all must die or should the Lord return in our life time, and even from a scientific stand point, things are changing. So just remember, when we meet the fate that is ultimately in our future, we have no say what so ever what does or doesn’t exist when we close our eyes as mortals, so maybe you should stop trying to prove that he doesn’t exist… And ask yourself… What if he does? Answer it, follow that question all the way through, don’t stop at ‘well in my experience he doesn’t’. Go all the way through with the question, what if he does… Are you prepared to meet him? What are you going to say to him when he depends you to answer for your sin, what are you going to do when he asks you why you would not believe anyone who tried to show you the truth? Because in the end… All you’ll have are excuses, and that’s not gonna fly with the Man up Stairs. Just a friendly warning. I got my own flocks to attend and worry about.

  • Tina Taylor

    in one word: SAD

    • Bolvon72

      Yeah, that’s true, but it is his constitutional right to be an asshat. Just as it was her right to call him out on it.

  • Lisa

    So sad. The devil and his minions will use humans to do his dirty work ALL the time. He doesn’t care what age they are. The devil hates us all quite equally. But he knows he gets our souls a lot easier if he can get us to hate God and turn our backs to God at a young age. Anybody who doesn’t believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that he is our Lord and Savior – then ask yourself this: Why do so many people HATE hearing the name Jesus and want preachers to stop preaching the TRUTH about Jesus. It’s because satan doesn’t want the Gospel SPREAD. And he will try to stop it in any way possible, that he can. Including using a little girl who just has the look of ‘hate’ written all over her face – and it’s just sad, sad, sad…

  • robertzaccour

    It takes a lot of courage to go out into the streets and preach the gospel. I pray for people like him as well as people like the little girl that need to hear the gospel.

    • Neiman

      Hear, hear! So true.

    • Bolvon72

      Courage? Gather up a bunch of tired old statement, yell them at random people, rinse and repeat. Yep, a true test of courage.

  • laura

    What can I say?? Stupid is what stupid does ! I hope God saves this Child ! And someone please slap the Mother !

    • Bolvon72

      I impressed she was willing to let him know what many passersby probably wanted to say themselves.

  • christina

    Wow more power to him, I’m not sure I could have kept going on while this little girl was screaming at me at the top of her lungs. Wow evil in the fullest. I would never allow my child to act this way no matter what was being said, ok I get voicing your opinion and freedom of Speach, but it has to go both ways. This makes me sick…praise The Lord for this young man.

  • Fuck you

    This post is an abomination. Spreading hate. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. To each their own belief; speak for those who wish to hear the word; an that word is God. Don’t shove it down their throats like a rapist. Speaking over everyone in class only got you yelled at by the teachers and stared at. fucking morons.

  • Ednar

    It is unbelievable seeing just how satan can bring a little child NOT to mind her own business but everyone else’s.
    Her mother, obviously, wasn’t a fan of Jesus but a humanist if not a witch.
    This young man, however, did an excellent job to ignore her & continue his message.
    Kind of what preachers do in any church when a child begins to cry. They up the volume in their voice to get above the noise!

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  • James Fredericks

    God bless you Austin Coppock… These days every Christian should preach gospel… wherever we get chance… God be with him… Little girl will come to know real God if His mercy upon her…

  • Hazel Sibi Yee

    I remember Apostle Paul when he rebuked the demon possessed woman practicing witchcraft who continually followed them… We preachers of God’s Word the truth should be prepared for any distractions thrown at us. The devil will try everything to silence us but we should be all the more courageous to speak up for the Lord.

  • angie

    Where’s the brat”s parent’s?

  • Craig Burns

    That young man is no different than a non-violent member of ISUS! Muslims AND Christians absolutely cannot shut their mouths about their beliefs. We get it! You believe in God! Now get lost weirdos!

    • Gary

      You are not shy about voicing your beliefs. There is no reason Christians should be quiet about theirs.

  • Hows_That_Change_Working_ForYa

    That mother of the little girl is pure evil and WILL be held accountable for teaching her daughter to do this. There is a special place in HELL for her !

  • Henry

    He did so well not to say “oh aren’t you so cute, you’re trying to be a big demon like your Mommy” Ha ha LOL

  • http://gambirclinic.com John Young

    it is finished

  • Gary

    I’m sure the girl isn’t the only demon-possessed person in that town. I wish they all had been out there screaming at the preacher. Would have more clearly shown the true condition of that place.

  • deb

    how sad. evil abounds in salem.

  • Gary

    There should be a preacher on the street, every day, in every town in America, warning people of the coming judgment of God.

  • Angelina Isdeeplyloved ByYeshu

    That book should have dealt with that demon child, but speaking to that spirit operating in her like Paul did with the woman in Acts 16! He had the power, the reason some people are so brazen is because we don’t use the authority Jesus has given us over evil spirits.

  • Lunah Valur Eir

    Im not Christian, but i felt offended by this little girls behaviour. One thing i am very sure to teach my child, is to respect others’ beliefs. If someone is standing on a street corner preaching, you can walk away, you dont have to listen. But respect for one another is a must.

  • john reese

    Much needed exorcism comes to mind

  • paulette barrow

    Where were the parents of this child.pretty obvious what shes being taught at home,disgusting and sad

  • Sean Chestnut

    First thing first… There is a huge misconception that there were actually witches in Salem. None of the people that confessed actually practiced witchcraft and were wrongfully accused. If you were to actually read about the Salem witch trials and look into the actual events, then you’d realize that it was just a bunch of greedy people trying to either get land or blackmail one another.

    Second, not everyone follows the same faith and we, as U.S. citizens have the right to practice any religion (or lack there of) that we want. A good majority of Christians assume that everything outside of their own religion is evil or immoral, NEWS FLASH, the big three monotheistic religions were the main cause of war for the better part of our recorded history! Pagan people rarely have beef with anyone because one of the core tenets is to not do harm to another person because it will come back threefold, so most go out of their way to avoid causing anyone or anything harm.

    Lastly, get your heads out of your asses and quit being holier than thou. The Good Book preaches love, tollerance, modisty, and understanding (something a good majority of the faith seems to have forgotten). YOU are not the ones to judge and should not be judging another person by standards that don’t apply to them. Embrace the sinner and show them Christ through your actions instead of being bigoted buttheads about the whole thing.

    • Gary

      I prefer to ignore advice from pagans on how to practice Christianity. I don’t try to tell you how to be an infidel, and I won’t allow you to tell me how to be a Christian.

      • Sean Chestnut

        Glad to know that you completely ignore the tenants of your faith.

        • Gary

          I’ve always been amused by how many infidels think themselves to be experts on Christianity.

          • Sean Chestnut

            I’ve always been amused by how many Christians think themselves to be the only experts on Christianity. Have you even read the bible, because I have. I’ve read it a couple times, cover to cover… I’d have to say that I have a pretty good grasp on what the tenants of the faith entail and just how much most modern Christians ignore.

          • Gary

            I doubt if anything you said is true, but even if it is, you are still an unbeliever headed for Hell.

          • Sean Chestnut

            Oh No! I’m going to your imaginary punishment place because I don’t believe the same thing you do! Oh, woe is me, what shall I ever do?!?

            Hell isn’t even a place mentioned in the bible until the New Testament; Which I might add, is when the “Church” decided using a scare tactic to convert pagans was a good idea. If you don’t believe me, look it up.

            You should also look up the Ancient bible that was found. Much shorter version of what you and I know of today. Much of what was written is not actually in the old bible they found and since the bible has been translated so many times, much of the original meaning of the document has been lost. Many books have been added since the original document and the 2 additional books that aren’t included in today’s versions. Again, you can look it up.

            http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/06/ancient.bible.online/index.html?_s=PM:WORLD

            Getting back to the topic at hand, the New Testament completely dismisses any sins, since Jesus died on the cross to absolve us from sin. He also stated that Moses’ laws were valid until the prophecies were fulfilled; Which, if you believe in the bible, WERE fulfilled by the coming of your savior and thus superseded by a “Higher Law.”

            I would also like to point out that it was never Jesus’ intention to change the religion he was preaching. Christianity was never his intention. He was there to Save HIS people (the Jews), of which i highly doubt you are, so I hate to tell you this, but since you are likely NOT one of his people then you’re not going to be “saved” either and you’ll be right beside me in that imaginary place you think we’re going.

            Fortunately for me, I don’t believe this mumbo-jumbo and believe that the afterlife is what you make of it. So you have fun with your Heaven and Hell… I’m going to assume that our energy returns to the universe and we are likely reborn again and again.

            I must admit that this has been fun and want you to know that I studied in a Christian University for a number of years and took Courses on Christian Theology… Much of what you think you know about the bible is incorrect and many of the assumptions made by the modern worshipers do not even remotely reflect the actual mean or wording of the bible pre-translation from Hebrew or Aramaic.

            Come. At. Me. Bro… You Mad?

          • Gary

            Which “Christian University” did you attend?

          • Sean Chestnut

            Mars Hill College.

            Great Divinity Program.

            MCH.edu

          • Sean Chestnut

            Oooops… They changed to a University recently. http://www.mhu.edu/

          • Gary

            Not far from where I live. I know a couple of men went there who are not only Christians, but know their Bibles. But, you are proof that not everyone who attends a “Christian University” is a Christian when they get there, or a Christian when they leave.

          • RM

            Also is proof that not everyone who attends a “Christian University” comes out knowing the Bible.

          • Gary

            Right. And some come out more confused about the Bible than when they went in.

          • Sean Chestnut

            So, because I’m not Christian… this makes me a bad person? I think you’ve misconstrued religion with morality. Just because I have a different belief structure doesn’t make me a bad person. I follow our nations laws and strive to be a better person than I was yesterday. I try to live by the golden rule and make sure that I don’t wrong people.

            And just because I’m not Christian doesn’t mean I don’t know the bible. Like I said, I’ve studied it. I learned about and had great interest in theology in general. Heck, studying religions is a hobby of mine, but I don’t believe in The Word laid out in The Book, nor do I believe that Jesus was the son of god. I think he was just a man with a lot of really great ideas.

            All of this said, I don’t have a problem with the faith itself, but the people in the faith not following the tenants laid before them and still claiming themselves members of the faith. A lot of people have done a lot of really bad things in the name of god (this pertains to any religion really) believing that it is what god would want. I feel that we shouldn’t try and interpret what god wants and just try to lead a good life. What’s so wrong with that?

          • Oracle

            2 Samuel 22:6 – The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

            Job 11:8 – It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

            Psalm 9:17 – The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

            Psalm 16:10 – For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

            Isaiah 14:15 – Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

          • Sean Chestnut

            Oracle: You should check your connotations.

            http://www.biblestudying.net/cosmo-5.html

            Hell in the old testament actually just refereed to a place for the Dead otherwise known as Sheol. Hell in the old testament was not the place of punishment that Modern Christians think of as the place of punishment. Check out that link and learn.

          • Oracle

            Good job on googleing your response. I knew you would which is why I did not respond with my theological thoughts. I put those verses with those specific translations to get the response I wanted from you. You are correct on your assertion of the definition of hell in the Old Testament but you must also be a student of the New Testament. Specifically in regards to Jesus Christ. In Matthew 5:28,10:28 and 25:41. Jesus speaks of hell as a place of torment as far as the translation of gehenna or gehenna of fire goes. Here the “fire” of Hell is to be endured by the ungodly. Here are some other Scripture references, Mat 5:22; 13:42, 50; 18:8, 9; 25:41; Mar 9:43, 48; Luk 3:17; I agree that the english translation of the Bible has been butchered but this is where our study of Greek and Hebrew comes in and other historical, archaeological findings.

            At the end of the day, only the Holy Spirit can reveal the truth of God’s Word to us. Outside of that is mans intellect and limited understanding or discernment of God’s revealed Word. Without the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to understand fully the Word of God. Thats great that you have studied or study the Bible in school or in your personal time but without the Holy Spirit, you accomplished nothing.

          • Sean Chestnut

            I provided a google link because many people that I debate with provide no evidence and upon research are flatly incorrect with nothing to back up their response. However, this is something that I knew already. As to the new testament, I have never felt moved by Christ or Church or the bible. There is nothing to speaks to me in it’s pages except the love and acceptance that Jesus preaches which I feel to be a universal message that almost every faith could and should embrace.

            I have been proactive in my studies and have devoted over 20 years studying various religions in my free time to try and better understand the various faiths around the world. I’ve studied the books excluded from the bible and the various scrolls and writings that have been officially denied by the church. Many of these stories conflict with what we’ve been told by the church and what we’ve read in the modern books.

            So, Hell means nothing to me. It’s not real… It is a figment of a man’s imagination to force other’s to believe as he does to avoid an afterlife of pain.

            Let me ask you this… Why… Why would I follow a religion where if I screw up (even just a little) then I have the possibility of spending eternity in hell? Why would I prosolitize this message to others if Not Knowing about it means that you get to go to Heaven in the first place as long as you lead a good life (Unless I’m misinterpreting Romans 2:12-15). Why would you tell The Laws to someone doesn’t make a lot of since to me.

            It’s like knowing about The Game. Once you know The Game then you’re always playing The Game. The way you lose The Game is by thinking about the game and the only way to win The Game is to not think about the game.

            The Game never stops because there is never a winner except by complete ignorance of the situation where someone else thinks about The Game around you. So, if this is the case… why introduce The Game in the first place?

  • kimsland

    So proud of this brave young girl.

    Its inspiring to see that even children are disgusted by ridiculous religious rants.
    Whatever he was raving on about, Allah? or jesus? or some other irrational prophet or man made god? The girl wins this one.
    Just goes to show the simplistic childish mind of preachers who are SO ignorant they feel the must let the world know how idiotic any religious belief still is.

    As for the jesus lover comments here, obviously fully brainwashed; you must wonder why you aren’t praising the MANY other gods out there? Oh that’s right, it depends upon where and when you were born. THAT in itself should be enough to enlighten you, but I doubt it. Hence why rationalists and humanists don’t argue with fools anymore.

    Praise Allah, idiots.

    • Gary

      If I could buy you for what you are worth, and sell you for what you think you are worth, I’d make a fortune.

      • RM

        Hahaha! That’s good Gary! LOL!

    • RM

      @ kimsland You are wrong. It wasn’t a brave young girl but her sad excuse for parents that sent the girl over to do their bidding. Then they give her money to buy popcorn and throw at the preachers. They and you may think they have “won” but in reality they are breeding a child who thinks if she doesn’t agree with someone (teacher, husband, neighbor, whoever) that it gives her the right to scream and throw things at them to appease her anger and to “get her way.” If everyone raised their children to deal with differences in beliefs and opinions in this manner, society as a whole would suffer and crumble.

      • kimsland

        Ridiculous.
        If the ‘little girl’ one day doesn’t agree with her teacher, husband, neighbor, whoever, she should let them know.

        But I was specifically speaking of theists who are delusional and who usually try to corrupt children’s minds to their delusional concept of supernatural hogwash.

        If all children could be helped to stand up to ridiculous religious beliefs (especially with humorous words or actions), our world would be much better place to be.

        Keep your (pointing at theists here) idiotic talking to snakes and heaven/hell pathetic (and hilarious) ideas to yourself. Bring them to the street, then be prepared to be mocked.

        STILL proud of this child a year later 😉

  • musikfanat22

    Obviously, the child was made to do this and encouraged by what ever adults she was with. Teaching children to be rude and disrespectful is not good and is akin to child abuse. As a follower of Christ, his technique was not very Christ-like. Yashua/Jesus was never obnoxious. As it says in Scripture, “A kind word turns away wrath…” Proverbs 15:1

    • Oracle

      Acts 7:50-60 Was Stephen’s words kind? What about when Jesus called the religious sect/ Pharisees snakes in Matthew 23:33? Read that whole chapter. Were their words kind? No they were not. But they were true. Sometimes the truth hurts. The problem is, we have a sissyfied Christian generation afraid of offending people. News flash my friend, the Gospel offends.

      • musikfanat22

        The truth is an offense to the guilty and to offenders. Yashua was never obnoxious, but, He always told the truth. Stephen was gentle and was killed for telling the truth. The truth offends only the guilty, lairs and offenders. What is your position?

        • Oracle

          My position is to preach the Gospel at all times and anywhere as the holy Spirit leads. I do not know if the Holy Spirit led this man to preach the gospel or share in the matter that he did but my question to you is, is it possible that He did? Seems like many Christians here in America are afraid to share whether openly or behind closed doors, so I applaud this young man for being bold enough to do what he did. It is much more than many in the Body of christ are doing.

          • musikfanat22

            I agree with you on that, but, we are told to forgive and to chide gently. I find that we reach more people when we extol God’s true character-that of Love! God/love sent His son to save us. As Yahsua/Jesus said, “…I came to save man, not to destroy him.” Matthew 9:13, Luke 19:10
            “Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you.” Ephesians 4:32

          • Oracle

            Amen. Should we not also mention that are God is just which is why He must punish sin. It is crucial that we preach God’s love but people also need to know why we need a Savior. Sin separates us from God. Not from His love because it is unconditional. If people die in their sin apart from Christ they, will go to hell. I believe they must know this.

  • kimsland

    I am proud of this girl who also stood up to be heard.
    Less preachers, more of these kids 🙂
    (And my previous comment was removed, obviously too harsh for here)

  • http://christiannews.com MDC

    I would smack any of my kids if they so much come close to this little brats mouth! Evil bringing up! Shame on mom!

  • ChristopherBlackwell

    Curious that no one sees the nuisance of street preachers interfering with other peoples events. If ay other religion were to do that you would hears screams of the Christians that it was even being allowed. The double standard is alive and well among some of our Christians. Rinds e of the sill deans that everyone say Merry Christmas regards of other holy times of the same part of the year. They have no right to demand anything of other people.

  • Oracle

    For those who say this guy should have been nicer or loving, here is what I have to say.

    Acts 7:50-60 Was Stephen’s words kind? What about when Jesus called the religious sect/ Pharisees snakes and sons of vipers in Matthew 23:33? Read that whole chapter. Were their words kind? No they were not. But they were true.

    Sometimes the truth hurts. The problem is, we have a sissyfied Christian generation afraid of offending people. News flash my folks, the Gospel offends.

    • RM

      Amen! Wish I could like that 100 times over!

  • Carole

    It is very sad that a child would do this showing she has no respect for adults apart from the fact that she is blaspheming God! I wouldn`t have dared to shout at an adult at that age!

  • Spazgost

    lol. “Shut it!” Poor guy. Kids be crazy.

  • keti

    interesting we are living at the end of time, we need to read well His word to know who he rally is, i encurge everyone to watch this web sight i found it interesting

  • keti
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    http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/2/Total_Onslaught_-_English/

    AZA and amy i encourage u to check it-out

  • Penance

    So its OK for him to stand there and yell really loudly, but not OK for someone to yell back. OK, just checking.

  • angel

    little brat, isn’t she?

  • Alice

    …Someone needs to put this little girl in her place and teach her to respect her elders, others, and above all, FREEDOM OF SPEECH. What a poorly educated, ignorant, spoiled little brat. Clearly, Christ will have to return before this little one ever learns the truth, by, then, her soul will be lost to the darkness.

    • Matthew46

      This “brat” is a fundamentalist Christian acting the part of a heckler, staged by her mother and dad to “season” him for his future “career” as a street preacher. You’ve been had!

  • Thomas Achord

    Just showing some acceptance, tolerance, and dialogue.

  • Summerchild63

    This is so staged. The child is looking into the camera for her cues.

  • bowie1

    Keep on preaching the gospel, pastor, as long as you are allowed to do so.

    • Larry Brown

      Amen

  • exiledonmainstreet

    This is only the beginning my friends, after the IMMINENT Rapture, when the Restrainer is removed (the Holy Spirit) hell will begin to rain down across this planet like has never been seen before and never will again! The time to find Jesus as your Savior is NOW. No one is assured the next hour, minute or second.!!!

    • Tyler Mitchell

      That’s right brother/sister!”Whoever stays firm to the end will be saved.And the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in all of the world..then the end will come”It’s about to get a lot worse…a whole lot!We are only in the Birth Pains.

  • Larry Brown

    The Gospel of Christ is OBNOXCIOUS, & OFFENSIVE. I just want to steal, get drunk, take drugs, kill people, without anyone judging me. Like the mom that threw her 6 year old son off the bridge to his death, I just want people to like me for being me and stop putting me down. That is offensive & hurts my feelings. Why would anyone try to tell me to love others and treat them as good as I want them to treat me? That is OBNOXCIOUS!!

    • Matthew46

      That’s what fundamentalists THINK all non-Christians are like.

  • Stevie Borkuss

    In some twisted way this little girl has helped this guy. Who would have heard his preaching if it wasn’t for that girl yelling at him?
    Hearing truth is not the problem. Whoever loves TRUTH, almighty God in heaven will enable him to find it, hear it, and endure it’s burdens until he leaves this earthly tent.
    Nobody will have an excuse like “ummm I didn’t know that..ummm”, YES YOU DID! And even if you didn’t, all you had to do is ask, seek, search for it. God would have heard your yearning for it and would have answered, He is faithful to His promise!
    Problem is that those who hate truth, also hate to hear it. They willingly, knowingly, by their own volition suppress it and spend their lives trying to bury it as deep as possible.
    It’s just similar to preaching to alcoholics or smokers about consequences that stuff will leave on their health. They HATE to hear it. Of course they do. They are not stupid to see it is truth. But however, they don’t love that truth. They reject it. And they are annoyed by it. They love their passion more than they love the truth about it. Atheism is not any different from false gospel churches, they just disagree in method of truth suppression. Atheist deny it, false gospel churchers (catholics,calvinsts,jw,…etc.) modify it and twist it to fit their needs. In a sense, atheists are more sincere, more honest. No atheistic jelling can match false gospel twisting.

    • Matthew46

      PROVE to me that you HAVE truth before you carry on about it.

  • SlammedTiger

    I really like to read the comments on posts like this.

    “What’s that? Little girl told someone who is technically illegally imposing his religious beliefs on the good people roaming the streets to shut up? Eh, that’s okay. What’s that? That religious belief was my belief? Then she has the devil inside her! I pray for her and her sinner family!”

    Do any of you even care about other people’s beliefs? Are you all so wrapped up in the fact that she said “shut up” to someone of your faith that you became blind to the fact that maybe she was imposing her right as a citizen to tell this man straight-up that he shouldn’t be doing that? You already have churches the size of football fields, why do you need a random kid out in the streets spreading the “good word”?

    Do not get me wrong, your beliefs are yours to believe. I personally am Agnostic born from a Christian family. I chose to believe that there is a possibility of a higher being but I don’t have all the answers yet. You chose to believe in… something. I generally dislike the Christian belief since it has so much bull in it that it’s basically a slap to the face, but I believe you should have the right to believe what you want if it makes you happy. But come on people, show your humanity. Stop pretending she’s “got the devil inside her”. She’s fine. Maybe she;s a spoiled brat from a bad family, but she doesn’t “have the devil inside her” so much as you do for visiting that porn site last night.

    • Larry Brown

      You will never have all the answers, Eisenstein did not, but he believed in God. By the way there is no such thing as an agnostic, in my opinion they do not exist, so they do not exist. Jesus was very offensive, that is why he was hated, probably why you hate him too. In fact he was so obnoxious they killed him.

      • SlammedTiger

        I don’t hate Jesus. He is very helpful around the house. Sorry, racist joke is racist. Agnostics exist, they’re impartial people. They just don’t care.

      • Matthew46

        I do not believe in a personal God and I have never
        denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
        An imaginary man-god can only say what others have put in his mouth. The human man, Jesus, was executed by Romans for a crime against Rome, not because he was “obnoxious”. Romans only interfered in Jewish affairs if it affected them – treason and sedition.

  • Plcc07777

    Two wrongs don’t make a right

  • Nikki

    This little girl was very rude. No matter what you do or don’t believe, a young Christian kid could not do this to a Muslim group sharing their faith or a member of the LGBT community protesting outside without getting arrested for a hate crime. What is the difference?

    • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

      The difference is that this was prophesied to happen by a loving God who desired to warn His children well in advance. Christians will be hated in the latter days as they already are being persecuted and killed overseas. Whats you see overseas will be on US soil very soon, so much more intense that this act alone will shake out “him that serverth God and him that serverth him not”. – Mal 3:18 The religion of “peace” will be uplifted along with Sharia law and the apostate Catholic church that created Islam will unite all churches under her bloody thumb. Its been Rome’s favorite tactic for eons. Destroy opposition and embrace those who need a refuge, therefore coverting them to apostasy…

      • Matthew46

        RE: the apostate Catholic church that created Islam will unite all churches under her bloody thumb…..
        ..
        I doubt it. The reason the Muslims split from the Christians in the first place was over the trinity. Muslims, like Jews, worshp a single indivisible God, not a trinity. Jews acknowledge Jesus as only a man, the Muslims as a prophet – also just a man, It is only Christianity that has a triune god. That will keep them apart for all time.

        • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

          Actually the Trinity doctrine is what is uniting the churches. Christians believe in the Trinity…which is a false doctrine. They believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all equal. The Godhead, which is thus saith the LORD, denotes each to be God, existing as three separate divine beings, and are in “agreement” as one.

          We say God is THREE in number. Not “one in three” as the Roman Trinitarians preach. The Father is a God. Jesus is a God. And the Holy Spirit is a God. This is why ALL THREE were present at the Baptism of Christ.

          The Father speaking from above in the Heavens.
          The Holy Spirit lighting upon Jesus as a Dove.
          And Jesus Himself in the water.

          The Trinity doctrine is the RCC’s bread and butter, which they will use to usher in Satan when he counterfeits the Second Coming. The Jews will accept him as Messiah, the “lukewarm” Christians as Jesus, and Islam as Mohammed.

          New to the truth about the Vatican and Islam connection? Check these links:

          http://remnantofgod.org/PopeKoran.htm

          This one is the eye opener:

          http://www.remnantofgod.org/books/docs/How-the-Vatican-Created-Islam.pdf

          • Matthew46

            I’ve saved one of your links for further reading and research. This is interesting since I haven’t heard of it before. I’ll have to get back to you on that. Very interesting. Thank you.

          • Matthew46

            I’ve saved the one and the first one is a seventh day Adventist site, more preaching than any actual research but it is interesting and needs further search. Thanks.

            I really doubt that Muslims and Jews will follow through on that but one never knows.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            Far from SDA site. The SDA church has joined with Rome and has embraced all of her heresy. The call Allah “god, ordain women pastors, they have homosexual leaders…it is awful and they need prayer. See the apostasy here:

            http://sdaapostasy.org/

            There is only one church left on the planet that is walking with God, the rest are under the mother of all harlots, the Babylonian Roman Catholic Church. And this was a fulfillment of several Biblical prophecies. Trace the movements of God’s true Church here and discover why its members are scattered all over the globe:

            http://remnantofgod.org/SDR.htm

  • ttruthiot

    God will sort it out! The girl might still see the light she is so young but the mom …well….I’ll bet she is heading to the warm place.

  • 2stroke_detroit

    Demon possession isn’t limited to adults. I guarantee one will NEVER see video of a Muslim being mocked whilst preaching their garbage.

    • lorasinger

      They preach in their mosques and don’t trundle down where others are celebrating their own events. It’s called good sense.

  • narrow way7

    Even a child is know by his doings, whether his work be pure and whether it be right. Proverbs 20:11 This child is doing the work of her father the devil, and so is her mother. So very sad and scary.

    This is truly is a sign of these wicked times, when a child has no respect for adults and openly mocks and scorns while the parent stands in the back ground eggs them on. I will be praying for her and mother that God would convict their hearts, bring repentance and they accept what Jesus Christ did on the the cross for both of them.

  • John Roberson

    The little girl was just voicing what children hear from Hollywood and from the Simpsons today. And what Obama says outwardly, when he refuses to acknowledge the Son before God and man. And this is the time when they will believe they will think they are doing God’s will when they put you to death.

  • Carlette L. King

    Her mother was encouraging her outburst. I could see the girl looking at the camera a few times (as approval), at each outburst. She is receiving the wrong “training”! I prayed for her. Keep going, pushing forward in Christ – in HIS power, wisdom, truth and might. Well done!

    • Matthew46

      Also the child was vigorously telling the preacher to “shut up” or variations of it, she didn’t curse once and wore no costum. This is not a secular child but the child of fundamentalist parents, acting the part of a heckler to her brother, a young preacher in training and their parents were right there. They didn’t count of the photographer coming by and then releasing the video to the public. Now they are suing to have it removed. You’ve been had!

  • Brendan

    Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength
    because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the
    avenger.

  • Timothy Garcia

    What is bizarre is this article, which reflects the insular nature of the self-proclaimed “Christian” community. Jesus did not confront the unbelievers like this; he sat with them and ate with them.

    Christ did, however, confront rather dramatically the self-righteous, smug religious leaders whose pretend piety he ripped with scathing words.

    No, my friends, this little girl isn’t anti-Christian, but rather this whole faux “Christian” movement which looks nothing like the Christ they claim to represent, is of the spirit of anti-Christ.

    • RM

      So, let me get this straight… you’re saying that Noah, Solomon, Ezra, Jeremiah, Jonah, the prophets of old, John the Baptist, Jesus, Jesus’ disciples, Peter, Philip, and Paul who all preached on the streets are of the spirit of the anti-Christ? Being biblical means you do things the way it was done in the Bible even if it makes you or others uncomfortable.

      • Timothy Garcia

        The OT prophets (including Jesus, since he preached to the Jews only) preached to the Jewish people, as part of a Jewish nation. We are not in a Christian nation, the religious right’s claims notwithstanding. Find me one instance of Jesus dressing down non-Jewish believers. Before you say, “the woman at the well” — Jesus was engaged in a one-on-one conversation, a *dialogue*, with the woman, not standing randomly on a street corner “preaching” indiscriminately. Neither did Paul preach randomly on the streets in such a disconnected fashion — even when he preached to the Greeks at Mars Hill, in Acts, he wasn’t randomly on a street corner yelling at passersby, he was *engaging* them and trying to persuade, even appealing to them in a language they would be receptive to, and they were *eager to listen*, because as Acts puts it, they loved hearing about “new things.” This modern “Christian” act of random street yelling has no roots in apostolic, or early Christian, practice. It is more like the Pharisees displays of fake piety.

        • RM

          Jonah preached on the streets of Nineveh; Philip preached on the streets of the city of Samaria; Paul preached to the city of Antioch. In Luke 14:23, we are commanded to “Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.” Paul told the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:20, “And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house.” Note the words highways, hedges, publickly! That means streets, roads, corners, outside!

          • Timothy Garcia

            Publicly — in the synagogue, which was public. Paul did not just randomly stand on street corners with the ancient equivalent of a microphone so he could be heard above random passersby. To try to stretch the meaning of “public” to include the kind of street “preaching” that you see in this clip is to distort the scriptures. Luke 14 is a parable about a man *INVITING* people into a big big dinner. To compare that to someone speaking on a street corner to people uninterested in hearing is very strange indeed. None of the examples you cited are anything like the modern street “preaching” that we see today.

          • Timothy Garcia

            You are comparing apples and oranges. What we see in this clip, and what modern “Christians” call “street preaching” is a dry, spiritless counterfeit of the gospel, and is nothing like Phillip or Paul preaching. This is evident since they ignore Jesus altogether. Jesus commanded his followers this in Matthew 10:14: “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.” This fellow kept talking to no one, in violation of Christ’s commandment.

          • RM

            “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, WHEN ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.” Matthew 10:14-15 First, he was under no command of Christ’s to immediately run out of the city just because the one girl didn’t receive the message. Second, you nor I have any idea if anyone in that city came to Christ because of the messages they heard while the preachers were there. Third, it is not his “job” to save anyone. God does the saving. His and other preachers “jobs” is simply to spread the seed of “Good News.” God will do the rest in His time. As far as the rest of your comments on street preaching, I take it we will not see eye to eye on any of them as I don’t agree with your assessment or even know if you are a Christian or if I am “casting pearls before swine.”

          • Timothy Garcia

            The article states that they come every year, so if they are coming back to this town when they are not received, as they obviously aren’t in this clip, then they are still violating the commandment given. It seems given the tone of the article that the point of this kind of preaching, which is consistent with “Christianity” today, is not to deliver the good news of Jesus Christ, but to make a show of how they are better than the people they are trying to “save” with their “gospel.” As for possibly casting “pearls before swine” by speaking to me, I would simply ask you, what pearls have you cast thus far at me, my friend? 🙂

          • Matthew46

            Jesus also directed his apostles to avoid gentile towns because they were preaching Judaism, not Christianity. There were no Christians of your kind in his time. Jerusalem Christians have been misnamed because they were all practicing Jews as were the apostles.

          • Matthew46

            Paul preached his new doctrine to gentiles AFTER his break with the apostles at Antioch. Remember, he was called back to explain his doctrine, accused of heresy and as usual he lied until Asian Jews revealed him and Roman soldiers had to save him, after which he took his preaching outside of Israel. Judas was replaced with Matthias and Paul, who never met Jesus or studied under the apostles went on to create his new religion,

      • Matthew46

        “you’re saying that Noah, Solomon, Ezra, Jeremiah, Jonah, the prophets of old, John the Baptist, Jesus, Jesus’ disciples, Peter, Philip, and Paul who all preached on the streets …..”

        EXCEPT for Paul and the man-god Jesus that he was the origin of, all the others were Jews that neither knew nor had anything to do with Christianity or Christians.

  • http://newcivilsociety.org/ Mcbuff

    Where’s the rod when you need one?!!

  • Nedd Kareiva

    Jesus said in Matt. 18 to “suffer the little children to come to Him for such is the Kingdom of Heaven”. How sad that this young girl chose to reject the One who died for her on the Calvary’s cross. But that said, the street preacher should have turned to this girl, looked her straight in the eyes and said something to the effect of “The Lord rebuke thee” or “The Lord rebuke thy words”. Coppock was wise in ignoring Satan’s attacks and appears to have handled this verbal assault rather well but perhaps if he had a few more years under his Christian belt and was filled with the Holy Ghost, he could have discerned the situation a bit better and commanded the devil to come out of that poor misguided child. It would have been awesome to have seen the manifestation of the power of God in this situation.

  • JJ

    If I were the street preacher I would have stopped, looked at the little girl in love and said “How can I pray for you?”…She would have either opened up to him (and possibly the Gospel) or she would have left him alone and gone away.

  • Akhabue

    Acts 16
    16 And it was that as we were going to the house of prayer, there met with us a girl, one who had a spirit of divination upon her and she was making a great business for her masters in the divination that she had been practicing. 17 She was coming after Paulus and after us, crying and saying, “These men are Servants of the highest God, and they are evangelizing to you the way of life.” 18And thus she was doing for many days, and Paulus was angered and he said to that spirit, “I command you in the name of YESHUA The Messiah to come out of her”, and at that moment, it came out.
    (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

    • Matthew46

      A young man had become possessed by a devil. The thing within him burst into loud lamentation and departed. At once the youth’s eye fell out on his cheek, and the whole of the pupil which had been black became white. Augustine,Bishop of Hippo

      ………….
      To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615
      ………..
      Some things never change.

  • RileyS59

    Interesting. The child acts possessed. Not surprising given the location.

  • Akhabue

    Matthew 24:14 – And this gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for the testimony of all the nations and then the end will come.

  • Sue Arnold

    I pray that God will touch this child in spite of her mother and have mercy on her soul.

  • Streetiebird

    Looks and sounds very staged.

  • John Metal

    I’m only here to LOL at the comments from the cultist freaks.

  • TIN

    “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.” Matthew 5:11

  • Erik

    2 KINGS 2:23 Elisha Mocked
    23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way,
    young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go
    up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When
    he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the
    LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two
    lads of their number.…Christ is mercy and shelter for the repentant.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      So allude the mauling of youths (btw, those youths were not being egged on by their parents) to this little one then follow up with “Christ is mercy”?

      You are right, He is. But speak plainly. What is your point?

  • bowie1

    The mother of this girl sounds like a real “witch” if you will pardon the expression.

  • Dan Miller

    don’t focus on the bratty little girl focus on her mother she Created her and condones her behavior

  • Timothy Garcia

    What is sad is that people are comparing this dry, spiritless, recycled “preaching” to the gospel that Jesus taught, which was full of power.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      it is very impersonal. Kinda reminds me of building tract homes.

  • http://www.eatmyfartsIslam.com billwhit1357

    A child is a reflection of the parents and how she was raised. If the mother was cheering her on, then the entire family must be possessed by satan’s demons. Pathetic! I pray the little girl wakes up to the fact that Jesus is her Savior and that any other way is a direct link to Hell!

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      So all atheists are demon-possessed?

      • http://www.eatmyfartsIslam.com billwhit1357

        No, but they are void of faith and all of them will be meeting satan, since they refuse to believe in the one true God of the Universe, who’s Son was Jesus! They will be in for a rude awakening.

  • disqus_42ZAtgL2FH

    Too bad for her . Hell is very hot and it’s for eternity! Putin will go there also. Don’t buy russian product- oil, steel, diamonds, gold…

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      Is this little girl Russian?

      • Matthew46

        No, she’s a fundamentalist Christian and the preacher is her brother.

  • Neolin

    Am I Christian? No.

    Would I get sick of hearing that guy speak? Yes.

    Would I approve of what this little girl did? No. No! No! No!

    It doesn’t matter if he’s Christian, Buddhist, Islamic, Hindu, whatever. I could care less about any religious twist or belief put into this. That little girl is being rude, disrespect, unruly, and is misbehaving. I don’t care who is preaching and why she felt she should. There was no reason why she should do that when she’s a child speaking to an older adult in such a manner. She’s not being positive. She’s not adding to a discussion. She’s not trying to learn or actually “teach” or give information on anything. She would get in trouble if she was saying that to her homeroom teacher or to the principal of her school, so why is her mother okay with doing that to a Preacher?

    That Child needs to be taught manners.

  • Philip McAfee

    What a nasty little girl. No upbringing at all.

  • terrymengle

    So sad that we can no longer recognize demons when confronted by them. What’ worse, we no longer know what to do about them when they manifest.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      not demon possession, simple attention getting behavior, or attainment of parents affection, or both. Simply following the path of least resistance. Her parents apparently are founding her life on a very steep slope.

      • terrymengle

        I think that if you reread my comment, I never said anything about demon possession. Activity like we saw in the video usually is influenced by the demonic that hates it when Jesus is preached. Just sayin.

        • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

          aahhh… you are right. will agree there is demonic influence.

          • terrymengle

            Your humility is refreshing! God bless you.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    I pray that a Christian who knows this demon-possessed little girl will share the Gospel with her. In the Name of Christ Jesus, Amen!

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      ?? If she was possessed then why does she pay so much attention to the camera?

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Yes, she needs prayers and the Gospel – as does her mother-who-is-doing-a-terrible-job-of-parenting. 🙁
        I will yield to your better understanding of demon possession. Those eyes of hers are definitely as dark and dead as they can be, but I am sure you know the technical requirements for such afflictions better than me. Thanks for the adjustment. God bless!

        • Matthew46

          It’s funny to find that they are ALL fundamentalists training their young son to become a street preacher. The girl is his sister whose role is to provide a heckler just as he will encounter in his further “career” and mom and dad are filming it as an educational video. A poster on another blog who lives in that town has outed them.
          .
          Thank you for your input, WorldGoneCrazy.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Gosh Matthew: a “poster on a blog” outed them? I feel so much better with your peer-reviewed data. 🙂 And, perhaps it was reported by an MSNBC journalist – now THAT would be SO convincing! 🙂 You must call for an immediate retraction of this story. I’m sure if you are correct, they will do so.

            Now, let us assume, for the sake of argument, that your assertion is correct, and I believed something which was not true. What, pray tell, would be the ramification of this, in this particular instance? Well, nothing much. I mean, yes, I would look a bit foolish, but the consequences are not too high. I’m sure such things have happened with you as well.

            On the other hand, let us examine the beliefs of Matthew the A-theist, via the New A-theist Creed. You believe:

            1. That the universe miraculously popped into existence out of nothing and uncaused by anything. Miraculously!

            2. That life magically sprang forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud. Magically!

            3. That minds and morals evolved from molecules through monkeys.

            Now, each of those beliefs requires a tremendous amount of blind faith – tons more than that required for theism. And, what, pray tell, are the consequences of YOUR belief system? Well, for starters, you cannot ground objective moral values and duties, which means that you can’t say abortion (which I am almost certain you are a fan of), slavery, and the Nazi Holocaust are “bad.” Bad and good do not exist under your worldview, and this is not only an assertion that Christians like myself make, but one that is made by your “pope” and “cardinals” – Dawkins, Provine, and Ruse: https://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/an-atheist-explains-the-real-consequences-of-adopting-an-atheistic-worldview/#comment-101449
            So, your belief in unverifiable miracles make you out to be a moral monster, in the sense that you cannot even condemn the most atrocious acts in human history! Now, THAT is a dangerous worldview, and one laughingly in contradiction with the facts of science, cosmology, philosophy, and logic. God bless you, Matthew – there is still time for you to get to know Jesus!

          • Matthew46

            Don’t TELL me what I believe because all that is, is your own idea and you have no way of knowing. No, I’m not an atheist but I don’t believe your magic god man story either simply because that concept didn’t exist among his people in that country in those times. It’s pagan based and identical to Roman man god stories. It isn’t Jewish.
            ….
            I have no idea how life originally began but a science called Abiogenesis is working on it. You’re a bit off base tackling evolution anyway, because evolution deals with changes in creatures as they adapt to their surroundings, NOT where they came from in the first place. Atheists aren’t automatically believers in the big bang theory. I don’t know and neither do you how life began. You have a book of myths and other civilizations each have a creation story, every bit as imaginative as yours.
            ,,
            Do you not see the huge strawman that you yourself are creating. YOU SAY – I don’t believe as you do, therefore it immediately follows that I am an atheist, therefore I believe in the big bang, approve of abortion, slavery and the Nazi holocaust and then you start lecturing me on the danger of this world view. Pardon me but you are an idiot.
            .
            Every person has differing views on all of those things and not one hinges on religion except for fundamentalists, it seems. Obviously, judging by your type of thinking, you don’t have an opinion of your own except what your religion dictates. I’m not surprised you can’t think for yourself.
            .
            I am very happy that the preacher and yelling girl turned out to be a fundie event caught by accident. Embarrassing, isn’t it, after all the hate and superstitious nonsense your clones have unleashed here. By the way, the parents are threatening to sue if the video isn’t taken down.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Name-calling, Matthew?!? Now, there is a sure sign I have hit the nail on the head. 🙂 You really came unhinged there, didn’t you?!? If the screamin’ demon in the video is fake, then you have done a fine job of substituting for her. 🙂
            While my wife might agree with you from time to time on the “idiot” nomenclature, my 4 degrees in engineering and math say otherwise. 🙂
            It is nice to see you retreat from a-theism into agnosticism, once you found yourself in over your head. I have noticed this trend for some time in the New A-theists. Once, I debated a state chapter head of the American A-theists over lunch, and it took me 5 minutes to convert him from “a-theist” to “agnostic non-theist.” At least HE was intellectually honest! But, not enough to act on my demand to petition the AA’s to rename themselves the “American Agnostic Non-Theists.” 🙂
            I was a much better a-theist in my youth than the New A-theists are now. At least my heroes, Bertrand Russell (who wrote Principia Mathematica) and Carl Sagan (who sent spacecraft to the stars) actually accomplished something within their worldview. You’ve got Dawkins – good luck clinging to THAT “messiah!” 🙂
            Abiogenesis?!? Are you kidding me? That’s only new thinking if this is the late 1800’s! Talk about clinging to myths! Perhaps you can also assert panspermia – it’s always fun to see “aliens of the gaps.” 🙂 (You owe me a new computer monitor, Matthew – mine is filled with diet coke after reading that. :-))
            OK, so down to the basics. Here’s the evidence that I have for the plausibility of theism:
            1. Cosmological argument with premise 2 supported by Big Bang cosmology and the BGV Theorem. (Hostile theories to theism)
            2. Teleological argument – supported by a boatload of secular physicists. (Hostile sources)
            3. The Moral Argument – supported by Dawkins, Provine, Ruse above, and an increasing number of extremist fundamentalist a-theists, who are obviously quite hostile to theism.
            So, here I am invoking sophomore level undergrad predicate logic with secular theories and sources to show the plausibility of theism – please note that. It’s very important, because you have been brainwashed into thinking that science is on the side of a-theism, just as I was so many decades ago. I used no Bible in these arguments, nothing but the tools that are accepted by even the most rabid a-theists.
            OK, I will stop there for now. That’s philosophy, science, logic, and math on the side of theism. What do you present as evidence for the “no God” position? Because if you are going to be an agnostic, Matthew, that means that you must see a roughly equal amount of evidence for the “God” and “no God” positions. If you are an intellectually honest agnostic, then you MUST go where the evidence leads you – not where your presuppositions or upbringing or bad relationship with your dad lead you.
            God bless you, Matthew – I am praying for your soul (I know you can’t ground the existence of souls under your agnosticism, but I can under theism)! I LOVE a-theists (and agnostic, non-theistic, anti-Christians too)!

          • Matthew46

            You’re doing it again. You ascribe your idea of what I am and what I think and then proceed to inform be of the consequence of my thinking and you have scored exactly zero every time. Your analysis is pointless and time wasting because you are consistently off base.

            ……………
            You wrote: Name-calling, Matthew?!? Now, there is a sure sign I have hit the nail on the head. 🙂

            Childish!
            ……………….
            You wrote “you have been brainwashed into thinking that science is on the side of a-theism”

            No, I am keeping in mind that less than 1% of scientists, shown in studies, are theistic believers.
            …………
            You wrote: my 4 degrees in engineering and math say otherwise

            No they don’t. You can be intelligent but stupid at the same time.
            ……….
            You wrote: You’ve got Dawkins – good luck clinging to THAT “messiah!”

            No I don’t. I don’t even read or listen to him.
            …………….
            You write: So, here I am invoking sophomore level undergrad predicate logic with secular theories and sources to show the plausibility of theism.

            That sentence makes you sound conceited and condescending. Also known as verbal diarrhea.
            ………………
            You write: I used no Bible in these arguments

            Good, because you haven’t a clue about the OT and the NT is a pagan myth, a clone to others just like it in Rome.
            …………..
            You wrote: If you are an intellectually honest agnostic, then you MUST go….

            Why? I know that neither scientists nor religious people know or will every know for certain where everything came from. I don’t know if there is a God but I’m sure it isn’t a Charlton Heston clone. I think there probably was a Jesus but I also know Jewish expectations for a messiah and it doesn’t jibe with god men. I know that not one contemporary historian noted his presence. I know that in the first century, Christianity in Israel was not the great wave that Christians like to think by reading Josephus. I know there are no man gods except those in Greco-Roman mythology, almost identical in story to Christianity. I know early church fathers attested to the fact that Christianity was identical to the beliefs of the “heathens”. I know virgin birth is impossible and contrary to Hamm’s teaching, Jesus having AB blood was impossible. I know that the bible in our hands is highly misinterpreted, mistranslated and in places, forged.
            ………..
            You wrote: ” Because if you are going to be an agnostic, Matthew, that means that you must see a roughly equal amount of evidence for the “God” and “no God” positions..

            No, I don’t. Those are your rules.
            …………….
            You wrote: not where your presuppositions or upbringing or bad relationship with your dad lead you.
            Neither apply
            ……………
            You’ve read my previous posts and decided not to use biblical verses so now you seek to blind me with your claimed degrees and proceed by baffling brains with bullshit, interspersed with needling to precipitate anger. May I ask why?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Name calling AND cursing this time, Matthew?!? You are showing yourself to be quite the emotional one once again. You bear a pretty good resemblance, debate-wise, to the little girl in the video, except I don’t remember her cussing. Is this the way the New A-theists “argue?!?” It’s a lot like the way the Brownshirts argued in the 1930’s. Hitler was an emotionally unhinged shouter too. 🙂 Well, let’s at least give you points for “passion,” even if it is of the adolescent type. I love your “passion,” Matthew – yes I do!

            Here’s a funny one you wrote: “No they don’t. You can be intelligent but stupid at the same time.” Matthew, “intelligent” and “stupid” are antonyms, my friend. You might have missed that in 3rd grade. (I can send you a dictionary, if you like?) Have you heard of the Law of Non-Contradiction?!? I do so like it when you refute your own arguments for me. 🙂 It just makes things a whole lot easier – and I thank you and God for making things easy for me, Matthew.
            You also seem to be denying that, as an agnostic, you are not obligated to go where the evidence leads you. Does that not make you a blind faith, or irrational, agnostic? Are you an emotional agnostic who completely denies reality, but bases his decisions on what feels good? Remember Matthew, no one is an agnostic when he opens that medicine bottle or boards the airplane. 🙂
            I presented you the Kalam Cosmological argument (supported by Big Bang and BGV), the Teleological argument, and the moral argument as purely secular evidence for theism. You have provided nothing as evidence for a-theism. It sounds like you are therefore quite irrationally clinging to agnosticism, but, on the other hand, you might just be another garden-variety anti-Christian. Either way, isn’t it rather adolescent to cling to your fantasies in light of evidence to the contrary?
            I know, you are an absurdist! If that is the case, then you actually have no basis for arguing. But, unlike other absurdists that I have debated, you seem to be a very angry type. Where is the love, Matthew?!? 🙂 You started your posts off calling me “foolish” and you haven’t let up. Do you have some unresolved anger somewhere to deal with? Jesus can heal that! He did for me too – I used to be the angry type too. “Angry, but accomplished” – that was my motto. Better than “angry and on welfare.” 🙂
            God loves you, Matthew. You can’t even explain your existence, or the existence of anything, without Him. And, as Dawkins, Provine, and Ruse admit, you can’t make objective moral claims without Him. You will always have that hole in your soul, Matthew, until you let Jesus fill your heart up. God bless, you, emotional one! I love faith-based absurdists too! You are awesome, Matthew!

          • Matthew46

            The Gish Gallop is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of small arguments that their opponent cannot possibly answer or address each one in real time. More often than not, these myriad arguments are full of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments — the only condition is that there be many of them, not that they be particularly compelling on their own. They may be escape hatches or “gotcha” arguments that are specifically designed to be brief, but take a long time to unravel. Thus, galloping is frequently used in timed debates (especially by creationists) to overwhelm one’s opponent

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            But, Matthew – I love debating with you! I provide evidence – you divert. It’s so much fun. I am glad that you admit to being overwhelmed by good arguments. 🙂
            OK, now I am going to cut the snark, because time is short and I want to love you out of the agnostic non-theism that I was once I a part of too. Sincerely. Can you just provide for me what your answers are to the following questions:
            1. Why is there something rather than nothing?
            2. How did you get here (in existence)?
            3. What is your purpose for being here (in existence)?
            4. What happens after we die?
            Now, I might be missing something here, Matthew, but wouldn’t you agree that these are fundamental questions that everyone, in their quietest moments, would at least yearn to know the answers to. If you have one or two I am missing, then please include those and your answers as well. I’m listening. God bless you, Matthew!

          • lorasinger

            I don’t know and neither do you. You have a book of creation myths but so does every civilization that’s ever been, all of them different. Personally I like the one from the Apaches where the earth opens and a giant turtle with the first people comes rising out of the earth. You would love them, hundreds of them. Just do a search for “creation myths from around the world”.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Oh, but there is evidence that makes one position significantly more plausible than the other. On the side of theism, we have:
            1. The Kalam Cosmological argument for the existence of God (supported by Big Bang cosmology and the BGV Theorem).
            2. The teleological argument for design, supported by numerous secular scientific findings in the fine-tuning of cosmological constants, DNA, etc.
            3. The Moral Argument for the existence of God.
            On the side of a-theism, we have:
            1. The universe miraculously popping into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything.
            2. Life magically springing forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.
            3. Minds and morals evolving from molecules through monkeys.
            So, it would seem that the evidence lies on the side of theism and the lack of evidence lies on the side of a-theism. Some of us former a-theists just do not have enough blind faith anymore to be a-theists. 🙂 God bless!

          • lorasinger

            They THINK they know. I don’t know. You don’t know. In fact, nobody knows for sure.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are 100% correct when you say that no one knows for sure. However, if we are being intellectually honest, we need to go where the evidence leads us, right? Look at the 2 lists above: we have tons of secular evidence on the side of theism, and nothing but unimaginatively low probability (miracles?) scenarios on the side of a-theism. You don’t need to be 100% sure to become a theist. You are 1% (or less) sure in your a-theism, and you are clinging to the “faith.” What is keeping an intellectually honest person like yourself from at least admitting that the secular data is pointing to the plausibility of a universe Creator (of some sort, Biblical or otherwise)?
            The reason I ask this, and forgive my harshness, but I did the same thing up to the age of 42, despite an overabundance of technical degrees. I was walking through the engineering building one night after teaching a graduate level course, and it suddenly hit me: “why is all of this ‘stuff’ even here in the first place?!?” My reply (to myself)? “Because Carl Sagan said so.” [Sagan was my hero, and I totally bought into his famous unsubstantiated (and rather arrogant) assertion that “the Cosmos is all that is, or was, or ever will be.”] That was the first time I really got creeped out by my a-theistic worldview. Here I stood, with 3 degrees in engineering and one in mathematics, and I was appealing to authority based on no evidence whatsoever. I could have NEVER done that in a critical design review on the spacecraft I was designing – why I would have been laughed out of the room!
            And, remember, when I was growing up we were still taught that the eternal and oscillating universes were, while not likely, nevertheless somewhat plausible. Those theories have gone the way of the unicorn. I really don’t know what the New A-theists can hang their hats onto other than total blind faith in the “no god” hypothesis.
            Keep searching, and go where the evidence leads you, dear friend, even when it hurts. And, it DID indeed hurt when I had to admit that, after all of those years climbing the mountain of advanced degrees, I reached the top and found a Book open to Genesis 1:1 – “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” God bless you mightily – He will NEVER let a sincere search for the truth go unrewarded!

          • lorasinger

            No faith. I don’t believe in fairies or trolls under the bridge for the same reason. I look at the impossible and have decided I don’t believe it. A god blowing on dirt to make a man or creating a whole universe because he wants a personal relationship with you is nonsense.
            ..
            Good gravy! With all those degrees, it’s pretty evident that you have good intelligence. How did you get sucked in?

            It doesn’t take faith to disbelieve in something. A neighbor of mine was an alcoholic who kept seeing “things” floating around the room and pointing them out to others. It didn’t take faith to disbelieve in the presence of his little friends. Take it from me. No “faith” is involved. Crazy is crazy!

            OK so you got a creation story from Genesis. Now go to “Creation stories from around the world” and you’ll get a whole lot more. Yours isn’t any better or worse than all the others. All magic tales of Gods and imaginative characters with super powers.

            You are entitled to believe as you wish and I don’t want to sound disrespectful, but you do sound silly. Smart but silly!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Oh, but you DO believe in miracles and myths, dear friend. Here are 3, repeated for you:

            1. The universe miraculously popping into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything.
            2. Life magically springing forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.
            3. Minds and morals evolving from molecules through monkeys.

            How can you believe such nonsense when all of the scientific, logical, mathematical, and philosophical evidence is on the side of theism?!? You have made no case whatsoever for the plausibility of a-theism, yet you continue to believe in the 3 myths posted here. It’s not surprising to meet an a-theist who is intellectually dishonest, but I actually thought you might be able to consider the evidence, weigh it, and come to an honest conclusion. It takes a lot of blind faith to be an a-theist with this much evidence going against you! You don’t have a lack of faith in what the alcoholic thought he was seeing: you have a lack of faith in what secular scientists are establishing using sound principles. Huge difference!

            And, BTW, a-theism is not “unbelief.” That is quite disingenuous of you to say so, and has long ago been debunked. You are an a-theist. That means you believe that the “no God” hypothesis has more evidence than the God hypothesis. Prove it! Here is a primer for you: http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/does-atheism-mean-a-lack-of-belief-in-god-2/
            I understand that you are not used to thinking technically, but please do try to keep up. Otherwise I will have to ring up my former comrades and have you ex-communicated from your Freedom From Thought Church. 🙂

          • lorasinger

            On the contrary,I don’t know about how things originated in the first place and neither do you. You appear to have a reading problem.
            .
            You have a story like hundreds around the world just like it, with magic and myth. No point arguing that one although I see you would dearly love to, with all that training for debate as a creationist apologetic and all that. As a matter of fact, you’re frantic to show off your skills and goading and repeating yourself with the nonsense, defending creationism with the same arrogance as geese in a water hole who think the back yard was made just for them.

            I don’t believe your story of a magic being blowing on dust though. It’s silly and you’re silly for defending it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are quite silly for not going where the evidence lies. You have provided no evidence for taking the position of a-theism. I have provided secular scientific evidence for the position of theism. You are in the unenviable position of maintaining “there is no God, there is no God, there is no God,… And I hate Him!”

            You are desperately clinging to your a-theistic myths and fairy tales (1-3 above), despite evidence to the contrary. You do know quite a bit about myths, because they are what you worship! All of the secular science points to a Creator, but that would be inconvenient for you, because you desire to sin at will. The fact that one of us has the evidence on his side and one does not is irrelevant to you, because you are clearly not rational, just emotive and exercising blind faith. Some of us no longer have enough faith to be a-theists!

            A-theists are great at making unsubstantiated assertions, because they are lazy and only assign the burden of proof to the side of theism: http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/do-atheists-and-agnostics-have-a-burden-of-proof-to-bear/
            it’s really quite dis-heartening trying to get through to you. At least I was in a search for truth when I was lost on your side. You have no desire whatsoever to do so, because you are afraid that you may have to reign in your “lifestyle.” God bless you, a-theist – please take your head out of the sand!

          • lorasinger

            This is a story at the same level as yours. Would you defend it, using scientific terms and if not, why not?
            .
            In the beginning there was nothing – no earth, no living beings. There were only darkness, water, and Cyclone, the wind. There were no humans, but only the Hactcin, the Jicarilla supernatural beings. The Hactcin made the earth, the underworld beneath it, and the sky above it. The earth they made as a woman who faces upward, and the sky they made as a man who faces downward. The Hactcin lived in the underworld, where there was no light. There were mountains and plants in the underworld, and each had its own Hactcin. There were as yet no animals or humans, and everything in the underworld existed in a dream-like state and was spiritual and holy.
            ,
            The most powerful of the Hactcin in the underworld was Black Hactcin. One day Black Hactcin made the first animal with four legs and a tail made of clay. At first he thought it looked peculiar, but when he asked it to walk and saw how gracefully it walked, he decided it was good. Knowing this animal would be lonely, he made many other kinds of animals come from the body of the first. He laughed to see the diversity of the animals he had created. All the animals wanted to know what to eat and where to live, so he divided the foods among them, giving grass to the horse, sheep, and cow, and to others he gave brush, leaves, and pine needles. He sent them out to different places, some to the mountains, some to the deserts, and some to the plains, which is why the animals are found in different places today.
            .
            There’s more but I think that by now, even you should be getting the drift.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Oh, you poor lost soul! You have not once in your life stopped to consider the possibility that the reason there are so many creation accounts across such a wide diversity of peoples just might be because even half-naked, uneducated tribes in the middle of Africa know that universes don’t miraculously pop into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything, like you do?!? If you have a college degree, please give it back. It didn’t work! 🙂 I praise God that you are not designing cars, airplanes, or bridges!
            You like to consider yourself objective, but you are a religious myth-believer of the most fundamentalist sort! Even African tribes have more common sense than you – and they have never even heard of the Kalam Cosmological argument! 🙂 You actually believe that, because all creation accounts cannot be true, that means that none of them can be true – stunning!
            You say you don’t know why there is something rather than nothing, which implies you are an agnostic. But, you attack only Christianity, not the worldview of a-theism, which intellectually honest agnostics MUST attack – if they truly were undecided and were not just garden variety, low brow, anti-Christians. Then, on top of that, when you are presented evidence for a Creator, you supply no competing evidence whatsoever for the “no God” hypothesis that you desperately cling to in order to give some sort of “non-meaning” to your life! It is one thing for you to commit intellectual fraud: quite another for you to commit intellectual suicide!
            No matter. The God Who created the heavens and the earth respects your “lack of belief” in Him. 🙂 He would never force an intellectual nihilist such as you to be in His presence for eternity.

          • lorasinger

            #2. Odin and Ymir

            In the beginning of time, there was nothing: neither sand, nor sea, nor cool waves. Neither the heaven nor earth existed. Instead, long before the earth was made, Niflheim was made, and in it a spring gave rise to twelve rivers. To the south was Muspell, a region of heat and brightness guarded by Surt, a giant who carried a flaming sword. To the north was frigid Ginnungagap, where the rivers froze and all was ice. Where the sparks and warm winds of Muspell reached the south side of frigid Ginnungagap, the ice thawed and dripped, and from the drips thickened and formed the shape of a man. His name was Ymir, the first of and ancestor of the frost-giants.

            As the ice dripped more, it formed a cow, and from her teats flowed four rivers of milk that fed Ymir. The cow fed on the salt of the rime ice, and as she licked a man’s head began to emerge. By the end of the third day of her licking, the whole man had emerged, and his name was Buri. He had a son named Bor, who married Bestla, a daughter of one of the giants. Bor and Bestla had three sons, one of whom was Odin, the most powerful of the gods.

            Ymir was a frost-giant, but not a god, and eventually he turned to evil. After a struggle between the giant and the young gods, Bor’s three sons killed Ymir. So much blood flowed from his wounds that all the frost-giants were drowned but one, who survived only by builiding an ark for himself and his familly. Bor’s sons dragged Ymir’s immense body to the center of Ginnungagap, and from him they made the earth. Ymir’s blood became the sea, his bones became the rocks and crags, and his hair became the trees. Bor’s sons took Ymir’s skull and with it made the sky. In it they fixed sparks and molten slag from Muspell to make the stars, and other sparks they set to move in paths just below the sky. They threw Ymir’s brains into the sky and made the clouds. The earth is a disk, and they set up Ymir’s eyelashes to keep the giants at the edges of that disk.

          • Matthew46

            You mean, rather than debating, gish galloping along releasing myriad arguments that are full of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments , don’t you ?.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Poor Matthew! You so wish to cling to your blind faith myths of a-theism, no? You won’t address the science or logic, and you won’t even give your answer to the most basic and fundamental questions of life! Are you not a truth-seeker, Matthew?!? God bless you – nice to have you back from your vacation! 🙂

          • Matthew46

            What myths, world? What I have been posting is based on the beliefs of Jews and of history.

            You asked these questions –

            1. Why is there something rather than nothing?
            2. How did you get here (in existence)?
            3. What is your purpose for being here (in existence)?
            4. What happens after we die?

            There are no answers because none of these things are known. You have your myths based on 2000 year old myths. Other belief systems have their myths. Science says they have evidence that points in a certain directions. I frankly don’t know because all those answers are beyond knowing.

            This doesn’t vindicate your mythology and make it the right one. All of them, in the long run, are simply guesses.

            One can be a truth seeker but some truths will forever be unknown and the ones above are in that realm, in spite of man’s myths.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You say: “I frankly don’t know because all those answers are beyond knowing.” But, how do you KNOW this statement of yours is true?!? The statement is self-refuting, it contradicts itself.

            Oh, but there is evidence that makes one position significantly more plausible than the other. On the side of theism, we have:
            1. The Kalam Cosmological argument for the existence of God (supported by Big Bang cosmology and the BGV Theorem).
            2. The teleological argument for design, supported by numerous secular scientific findings in the fine-tuning of cosmological constants, DNA, etc.
            3. The Moral Argument for the existence of God.
            On the side of a-theism, we have:
            1. The universe miraculously popping into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything.
            2. Life magically springing forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.
            3. Minds and morals evolving from molecules through monkeys.
            So, it would seem that the evidence lies on the side of theism and the lack of evidence lies on the side of a-theism. Some of us former a-theists just do not have enough blind faith anymore to be a-theists. 🙂 God bless!

          • Matthew46

            Nonsense!

          • Matthew46

            You might as well use a cosmological argument with premise 2 supported by Big Bang cosmology and the BGV Theorem to support the reality of Captain Hook, the troll under the bridge and any other myth there is.
            .
            You are debating the creationist cause and that makes you an apologist for your particular mythology and nothing more. You add modern scientific terms and try to apply them to a fairy tale. Creation “science” isn’t a science. It’s a devious way to convince people that a fairy tale really happened.
            .
            The fact that every civilization that’s been has had a creation story should make it obvious that yours is just one myth among many.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Matthew, you are making your fellow New A-theists look not so smart. Are you really this clueless about Kalam?!? Kalam points to a Creator, a first uncaused Cause, if you will. It establishes theism. Since the overwhelming secular evidence points to such a Being, why are you still an a-theist again?!? Blind faith?!?

          • Matthew46

            Yes, I’m that clueless because it’s of no interest to me and also because you’ve strayed a very long way offsubject. It just ain’t going to happen.
            .
            You can look to pseudoscience and debate with whoever will debate with you, but it’s MYTH, for gosh sake.
            .

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Pseudoscience?!? I gave you Kalam, Big Bang, BGV, teleology – all hard-core secular science! The myths are what you believe in Matthew:

            1. That the universe miraculously popped into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything. That’s worse than myth and magic – it is quite delusional!

            2. That life magically sprang forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.

            3. That minds and morals evolved from molecules through monkeys.

            Really, Matthew – now there are your myths. And, you provide no evidence whatsoever for your myths! I gave you the real stuff, you gave me nothing, and you desperately cling to nothing! it is quite delusional. Don’t blame me because I no longer have enough blind faith to be an a-theist and you do. You are surrounded by evidence, but you seem to stick your head in the sand and say “there is no God, there is no God, there is no God,… and I hate Him!”

            C’mon, Matthew, you share a burden of proof in this. Bring SOMETHING to the table to tell us all why you are so certain that a-theism is true. http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/does-atheism-mean-a-lack-of-belief-in-god-2/

      • Matthew46

        She was acting – the part of a heckler because there were no others around. She’s doing it for her brother, the street preacher. How’s that for the turning of tables, especially since the awful child that posters think should be stoned, spanked, and everything else, is the fundamentalists own child. And it’s gone Viral!!

        • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

          If that is true then it is shameful and deceitful and that boy has no place preaching the gospel.

    • Peter Leh

      Whoa… now we are back in 1692

  • John

    He should have stopped and addressed her aggression with gentleness and love. That would have taken her aback. Asked her why she was so angry, perhaps. If these Obviously young men are going to be publicly preaching in salem, they need to be prepared for more than people… they need to be prepared for powers and principalities, and if they don’t know how to safely and Securely address them, they need to learn. Even If there was more than a young girl there, there was Still a young girl there. There is a war on, but most of the participants are ignorants, blinded and caught in the cross fire. Few are in aggressive active rebellion. Not that it will matter, come the day…

    • Matthew46

      He SHOULD have not gone there in the first place. Why shouldn’t she be angry. He was interfering with the trick and treating that kids have always been doing and he was noisy. Notice that the people made no effort to stop the kid. Doesn’t that suggest to you that you are in a place where you are not wanted. By the same token, supposing someone comes to your next church party or better yet into your church on Sunday and starts to just play loud music. How would you take it?

      • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

        Our church service incorporates loud music, unfortunately. 🙁

        • Matthew46

          Heavy metal screeching (which I detest personally) will clear a room in under ten seconds.

      • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

        Good turn of the tables. What does Jesus say regarding the treatment of others? Also, could this method of evangelism at this time and place just be considered “casting pearls before swine”…?

        • Matthew46

          Christian invention. The whole scene could not have taken place. Pigs are unclean and a Jew is not allowed to even touch one. There were no pigs in Israel.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      Matthew 46 posted a good turn of the tables. What does Jesus say regarding the treatment of others? Also, could this method of evangelism at this time and place just be considered “casting pearls before swine”…?

    • ac287149

      I’d hate to be the ugly duckling on the playground with her because I think she behaves like this elsewhere, also. He should address the girl and parents, as you write. The parents should not have let this happen, even if they instigated it, but the girl clearly has a behavior from somewhere.

      There are some places you just don’t send exuberant, immature people to without some backup, fasting and praying, and some real training, and this is one of them. Salem may never have seen a witch until the 20th century, but it’s teeming with darkness now.

      These days, with the Seeker Friendly way of doing church, a lot of Christians aren’t fully aware of God’s authority and power, let alone the strength of the principalities of darkness. The church leadership must use wisdom, especially with a stronghold. That said, we don’t really know who else is in the background or what is happening before or after what we see on the video.

  • WhichWitchisWhich

    Matthew 6:6

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      Doesn’t really address this issue. This really would apply to long-winded obnoxious prayers at Sizzler on Sunday afternoon.

      What about Matt. 5:11? 5:44? 5:13-16? 5:2 “Opened his mouth”…? 4:17?

      Matthew 7:12?

      John 1:15?

      There seems to be a lot of gray area here. I think it comes down to time, place, ability to control oneself (which he seems to have well), and the unction of the Holy Spirit.

      • lorasinger

        It comes down to common sense. Play in the traffic and you’re going to get hit sooner or later.

  • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

    Somebody put her up to it. She keeps referencing someone behind the camera. It’s attention getting behavior. Either ignore it or confront the “motivator”, namely her parents.
    He did well.

    Don’t agree with the belief about Halloween behind it,

    at least not in light of the ignorance and hypocrisy of the history of Christmas (betcha he won’t be out there Xmas day), and the blatant alcoholism and Mammon worship surrounding the entire Christmas/New Year season.

    But he did well.

    • Matthew46

      That is exactly the way that “Christmas” (Winter solstice) was celebrated before Christianity claimed it in an attempt to over ride the original holiday – by meals, get togethers, gifts, the decorated tree all in thanksgiving for the new year coming and the end of the last one..

  • CripesAmighty

    Oh, the irony: being called out on your infantile superstition by a little kid. Hilarious.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      Only up voting you for a wonderful sense of humour. Toucher.

  • Jenn Trimmer

    What have been the most effective would have been for the preacher to not have ignored her and actually talked to her and her mother. Standing there yelling about God is not very effective for reaching people. I love God and it makes me uncomfortable to hear street preachers. I am not sure anyones actually listens to this kind of things. Relationships and listening and having actual give and take conversations are much better.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      I’m sure the Photography Kiosk appreciates it, too.

  • Daniela Gaggia

    This isnt nice. for both of them. The priest did walk into a place of pagans and witches, that is not the place of christians. it wasnt his place to preach there. it was un respectful on his side. but all of us Christians, Pagans, Whatever it is, should respect each other equally. Paganism and christianity both say to love, so why are we fighting each other??..

  • ac287149

    I expect something like that from the World and from the youngest generation, who even on a good day thinks they have a right to do whatever they please.

    What disturbs me more are the churches which teach the “social gospel” or the “green gospel” and wolves in sheep’s clothing amongst the Evangelical church leadership… people like Rick Warren and Joel Osteen presenting themselves as Christian leaders, yet their flocks only hear some fluffy variation of a Christian philosophy of living.

  • brucefl56

    I noticed the girls eyes looked at the camera, looks to be a set up. Pray for the girl and that the Lord gives this young man more strength to preach the Word.

  • Matthew46

    We’ve all been rooked. It’s a Halloween trick. The “preacher” and the girl are brother and sister, according to a poster who lives there. Note that the preacher isn’t surprised by, nor looks at the camera. The girl, younger, and wearing no costum, keeps glancing at the camera. It’s all staged and we are the fools.

    • Peter Leh

      Always a possibility. 🙂

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

    Mom: What my daughter did wasn’t that bad…that guy deserved it!

    God: “Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.” Proverbs 20:11

    Mom: My daughter is good! I will take the blame if she isn’t liked!

    God: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.” Ezekiel 18:20

    Mom: So the sins are on her? She is a child!

    God: “Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.” Proverbs 22:15

    Mom: Foolishness?

    God: “The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men.” Proverbs 24:9

    Mom: So foolishness is sin? She doesn’t know what sin is!

    God: “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3:4

    Mom: Law? Like the Ten Commandments? I break it everyday! Whats the big deal?

    God: “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23

    Mom: Death! I want to live and I want my child to love forever with me! Are you going to help me?

    God: “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them” Hebrews 10:16

    Mom: What shall I do with this “rod of correction” then?

    God: “The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.”.Proverbs 29:15

    Mom: But I love my child!

    God: “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” Proverbs 13:24

    Mom: How will this benefit her?

    God: “Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.” Proverbs 23:14

    Mom: But what about me? I told her to do it!

    God: “Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.” Proverbs 19:29

    Mom: Lord forgive me! I am a scorner, a hater, and a fool. I was so ignorant!

    God: “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:” Acts 17:30

    Mom: Will you forgive me?

    God: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9

    Mom: Confess and repent? You love me that much to forgive me after what I did?

    God: “Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.”Proverbs 10:12

    Mom: And what do to show my love towards you?

    God: “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15

    Mom: Done!

    • lorasinger

      Impressive cherry picking. Want to try the Hindu books next?

      • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

        Nah…I prefer my Bible 🙂

        • lorasinger

          Which bible are you talking about, the catholic bible with 73 books, the KJB with 66 books, the Ethiopean bible that Includes the book of Enoch, and Macabees 1
          & 2, the Vulgate bible, The Septuigent that INCLUDES 12 more books in the Old Test. and has LONGER versions of Daniel, Ezeikiel and others, and there are dozens more. Which Bible are you talking about?

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            The KJV only….I do not use other false bibles. 🙂

          • lorasinger

            Too bad. It’s the poorest translation.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            How, may I ask?

          • lorasinger

            QUOTE: “The King James Version was originally
            written from 1607 to 1610, with a group of 54 Biblical scholars from only Great Britain. One of the rules in translating the KJV was the committees were to
            follow an older translation known as the Bishops’ Bible (written in 1568) Even most of that translation was based on the Geneva Bible and the Great Bible which were revisions of the Tynedale Bible which was published in 1533.

            What makes all of this significant is that England didn’t
            have any ancient Greek manuscripts until 1628. The translators were at a disadvantage when trying to decide which passages were in the texts originally, and which were added later by someone who was copying or translating another copy or translation.”

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            So which bible does “lorasinger” suggest?

          • lorasinger

            I have no single suggestion, John. For the OT, it should be based on the original Masoretic text translated directly to English by Jewish biblical scholars. I would also suggest reading what Jews believe to bring out what Jesus believed, as a Jew in a Jewish world.
            .
            For the new testament, a retranslation of the Greek version directly to English. The problem of going through from Greek, through various other language translations causes distortions because even a small inaccurate translation lends itself to further distortions into another language and finally ending up way off base.
            .
            When you can find that combination, you have a winner!
            I expect that there are several out there. I have four different versions and one Jewish Tanakh so that I can view different verses in all of them and compare. For OT verses I go to Jewish explanations of their bible.

  • Dorothy

    Someone mentioned to me oh she is just an Atheist, however I know some Atheists that would not do that or allow their children to do that to someone. That man has every right to stand there and Preach what he wants without being hassled. The frightening part is that the child was clearly beyond upset at his preaching and it bothered her to such a point that she became aggressive which among other things is a sign of possession as well as mocking Christ, which was mentioned in the article above. Demons cannot stand the Word of God, they cringe at it. I applaud this man for getting the Word of God out there and maintaining his cool throughout the whole ordeal, I am sure he realizes that he most likely came across a possessed child as frightening as that may seem, but we Christian’s know this is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • ac287149

    Regardless of what happens in the video, this is lack of wisdom on his part and on the part of the leadership of his church, and it’s deliberately provocative if he’s not out there more often and people already know him. It may be indicative of his own pride as well: He’s going to go out there to tackle the big guys on their biggest day of the year. He’s there at Halloween while people are ‘celebrating’ it and darkness. That’s inviting trouble, and he’s inviting worse than what he got. There are some places you just don’t send exuberant, immature people to without some backup, fasting and praying, and some real training, and this is one of them. Salem may never have seen a witch until the 20th century, but it’s teeming with darkness now.

  • Mojave

    I haven’t had such a good laugh in a long time…….All the bible-thumping from you jesus freaks is hilarious……You fools keep calling this girl the anti-Christ, or saying she is a spawn of satan…… It’s perfectly acceptable for that idiot to spout off about jesus and god, insulting people for not believing, but unacceptable for a little girl to disagree?…….And all she kept saying was for him to stop talking, to shut up……On this planet, we have Christians, jews, muslims, hindus, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics etc…..Try following your own belief (or disbelief) systems, but stop trying to cram it down others’ throats, constantly telling people how THEY are wrong……If muslims or jews set up on the sidewalk across from your church with a public address system and told you how you were wrong, I highly doubt many of you would bring them coffee and donuts…….Don’t like being yelled at by little girls?……Then stop yelling at them.

  • Petitekeyboardist

    Next time, he should preach on how the she-bear tore apart the kids who mocked Elisha. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear of a weird accident befalling this little brat.

  • Bruce Morrow

    That kid needs a good paddling and to repent and believe on Jesus Christ!

  • Disciple of Jesus

    That little girl’s parents are to blame for her rude behavior and will have to give account to God one day, if they don’t repent. Praying the Lord open her and her parents eyes to the Truth ~ the person of Jesus Christ.

  • BeWhoYouAre

    Why can’t Christianity be a quiet, personal thing – it IS for many of us, but I’m sure no one likes having the Jehovah’s Witnesses knocking at their door interrupting their privacy, so what is the difference here? People are sitting, eating, drinking, minding their own business, and someone with a very SPECIFIC Christian agenda shows up and tells people they’re going to hell, people he doesn’t even KNOW. The girl’s behavior was wrong but his was no better. He SHOULD be told to shut up.

    • lorasinger

      Mainstream people respect others religions and don’t indulge in these tactics but fundamentalists have absolutely no respect for others beliefs. They have the ONLY truth and SHARE it forcefully “just like Jesus did” (except Jesus was preaching Judaism). They like to think that they have some form of belief that antedates Catholicism that developed from Paul’s doctrine, a form they like to think dates back to the apostles (without knowing that the apostles too, were practicing Jews). They ignore history and live in a mythological land of their own.
      .
      If you want the “mental ward” experience, by all means, enter.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        Thank you lorasinger. Yes, these are the bullies of Christianity. The ones who are so insecure they need to scream at people rather than quietly lead by example.

        • lorasinger

          They’re a cult within the Christian body. Unfortunately, mainstream Christians assume these extremists are just other Christians and often will speak out in their defence, not knowing that these people will turn on the mainstream with exactly the same hate for being “lukewarm”. Our version of the Taliban, I’m afraid. And they also hate muslims with a vengeance although the mainstream muslims are in the same boat as the mainstream Christians. There must be some way to ship these nutcases off to fight the muslim nutcases and just get rid of extremists altogether.

    • Peter Leh

      “He SHOULD be told to shut up.”

      why?

      • BeWhoYouAre

        Because people are minding their own business, eating dinner and enjoying their peace and quiet, and do not want to be screamed at that they’re going to hell. I wish I knew why this was so hard to figure out.

        • Peter Leh

          did i miss the screaming preacher? i have yet to watch the video.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Yep. The idiot thought it was a good idea to set up shop right where people were eating.

        • Peter Leh

          ok … the volume did seem to be up a bit.

          But that is an ordinance issue.

          Free Speech is one of the foundations of this country… no matter how irritating.

  • http://www.teamusa.org/usa-roller-sports crash2parties

    Um, this has been pretty well debunked online. That is the preacher’s sister. Their folks had planned on creating a video but the crowd pretty much ignored the poor guy.

  • BeWhoYouAre

    Cute headline “Witch city” – can’t just call it Salem, huh? Have to make everything out to be wicked and evil?

  • BeWhoYouAre

    Seriously, is there a way to give this girl some recognition and appreciation for standing up to the fundie zealot? This should be national news.

  • Peter Leh

    Back in the day, little girls like these caused hundreds to die in the name of god.

  • JudgeRight

    This is not only sad. It is abhorrent. It shows how parents and schools are raising children this day. This evil little girl is filled with demons and the spirit of the antichrist. She has no shame and irrationally and rudely attacks verbally the preacher who is older and more mature than she is.

    If anyone does not have love for the Lord, let him (her) be accursed – 1 Corinthians 16:21.

  • John Mark IB

    yes but all too typical again, isn’t it? so called other Christian group building alliances with the powers of darkness and going out to purposely harass the Street Preacher of The Gospel? similar to the Book of Acts where they got upset because it was affecting the satanic business and occult practices from the preaching of the truth!! amazing as well because the little girl looks to be very hate filled and almost demon possessed spitting her hatred learned from her mother witch? truly a sad site to see the hatred on their part, but great job to the GA boy! as they might say in the south ha ha you done good son!! who kept right on doing his best even though he might have asked the little girl hey little girl what happens to you when you die? try to engage her in a gospel conversation maybe? even if it wasn’t fruitful still just to maybe make her think or plant seeds?? just my take oh well here’s the hope folks!! have a blessed day keep spreading the seeds!!

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  • D. Michael

    Has anyone viewed the actual video? When I click on it “This video is private” pops up where the video should be. Has anyone seen the video from this site???

  • Olivia Mobley

    A child who is taught to be so hateful will end up in prison eventually. The parents should be ashamed. Everybody can have free speech and an opinion unless the person is a Christian. We get abused, discriminated against, and persecuted for our opinion and free speech. It will only get worse as the world spirals into hell, and rejects all moral values, taking away the rights of Christians and instilling the haters with degraded principals, persecution, cruelty and a rebellion of anything that is of God.

  • Tristan A

    Religion is like having a p.nis. It is a nice thing to have, good for your ego, can give you lots of pleasure and satisfaction, but you are not supposed to rub it in other people’s face. Keep your religion to yourself. It is a private matter. You are allowed to have your opinion. and you can talk about it freely when you are in church. But don’t harass other people with it.

  • Bluesman1950

    Witch! Burn her! !

  • Gena B

    Someone call an exorcist this child needs deliverance.

  • JohninRedding

    Thanks Austin for being willing to put up with such backlash. It has always interested me that people who could just as easily walk away from such a situation as street preaching become angry and out right vile. If they don’t believe in God, isn’t it just as easy to ignore any mention of him? I suspect it is the evil in them that makes them mad as hell and they can not help but speak out in defiance. Like the demons who saw Christ and raised their voice in anger.