National Homosexual Activist Organization Targets Christians in Latest Campaign

Biblical marriage II pdMISSISSIPPI – A homosexual activist organization whose co-founder was recently jailed for sex abuse charges has launched an aggressive campaign to convert Christians to the same-sex ‘marriage’ cause.

The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) describes itself as a “civil rights organization working to achieve equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans.” With over 1.5 million members and supporters, the HRC is the largest such organization in the United States.

As previously reported, the HRC’s 66-year-old homosexual co-founder was arrested last week and charged with sexually abusing a teenage boy. Then, one day later, the founder’s 25-year-old ex-boyfriend was also taken into custody for the exact same charges.

Earlier this year, the HRC launched the “All God’s Children” campaign—an unprecedented initiative designed to convert people of faith to the same-sex “marriage” cause. According to the campaign’s fact sheet, the initiative will specifically target Christians in Mississippi and attempt “to change hearts and minds.”

“Mississippi is the most religious state in America, and an estimated 55% of its population is Baptist—one of the most conservative Christian denominations in the country,” the fact sheet states. “It would be nearly impossible to successfully engage a large majority of Mississippians about LGBT equality without discussing it in the context of faith.”

Though the All God’s Children initiative focuses specifically on Mississippi, HRC activists promise to spread similar messages in Alabama and Arkansas. The pro-homosexual crusades are guised as “Christian values” operations, with references to the Golden Rule and other biblical concepts.

“A faith-driven, Christian values-focused message is the most effective way to boost support for LGBT equality in the South,” the HRC fact sheet adds. “Discussing LGBT rights in the context of faith is the top-tested message in increasing support for LGBT rights. That message is most potent with those who expressed reluctance in supporting the rights of LGBT people.”

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Though HRC campaigners claim their message is driven by “faith,” many Christians sharply disagree. John Stonestreet, a speaker and fellow of the Chuck Colson Center for Christian Worldview and co-author of “Same-Sex Marriage: A Thoughtful Approach to God’s Design for Marriage,” told Christian News Network that same-sex “marriage” is “not compatible” with the Bible.

“The Scriptural explanation for the human condition does a great job explaining things like inclinations and same-sex attractions and heterosexual lusts and all the different ways that we are sexually broken,” Stonestreet explained. “But what happened is that inclination has been equated with behavior culturally. The Bible helps us to separate the inclination from behavior.”

“Even more fundamental than that,” he continued, “the Scripture gives us a clear picture of what marriage is intended to be. And although emotional connection and commitment and all these things are very important, the actual purpose of marriage is for a oneness that leads to procreation. It’s the building block that God established for the building of society.”

“We have a very clear image of what marriage is in Genesis 1,” Stonestreet added. “That was reinforced clearly by Jesus in Matthew 19. And so same-sex ‘marriage’ just doesn’t match up to the clear description there.”

Though the national homosexual movement is a relatively recent development, Stonestreet said the widespread failure of marriage was largely triggered by the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s.

“Same-sex ‘marriage’ is a fruit of a long history of things that we’ve embraced for a long time,” he contended.

According to Stonestreet, repentance is key in addressing the sinful behavior of the culture.

“The breakdown of marriage, the compromised views of sexuality, are not a problem that’s just out there in the culture—it’s very much in here, in the Church,” he stated. “So we need to repent where we have not upheld our own convictions about marriage and sexuality. And our failures are many.”

Then, the Christian response to homosexuality should be motivated by love, said Stonestreet.

“I’m struck by the Human Rights Campaign’s call to care and love for people,” he commented. “No one should outlove us. No one. This is a real problem. We’ve said dumb things like ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ for a long time, and what we really did is hate the sin and never actually got around to loving the sinner.”

Furthermore, Stonestreet said Christians should consider their own views of marriage to ensure that they align with the biblical worldview.

“We need to be very clear about what marriage actually is in the society,” he asserted. “Many Christians basically have a secular view of marriage decorated with moral Bible verses. They don’t have a Christian worldview when it comes to marriage. And that’s a real problem. If we don’t really get what marriage is for, we’re not going to be able to parse out this debate in a way that’s actually helpful.”

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  • James Grimes

    Really? This group is trying to promote its sinful behavior among a people who should be condemning it.

    • BeWhoYouAre

      Who are you to talk about sinful behavior? You probably think being a Catholic is sinful.

      • jennylynn

        You like to troll. Best you get a Bible and start reading it. :))

  • Better AndBetter

    I for one am very grateful that our civil law is not bound to the christian mythology.

    • railhead

      Actually this entire nation was built on Christian principles. “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” (2 Cor. 3:17)

      God’s laws are built on the principle of liberty. There are not very many crimes in God’s laws that have severe measures. However, as this nation has replaced God and Christianity, the pages of legislation multiply, effectively turning everyone into a criminal.

      On the other hand, if we would believe in evolution, survival of the fittest is the main principle we should adhere to, and when we stop people from preying on the weak in our society we are really supplanting evolution by preventing the elimination of our weakest members.

      • Better AndBetter

        Your mythology is nowhere in our civil law.

        • The Last Trump

          Guess you missed the Ten Commandment monuments erected at courthouses across the country. And the swearing in of witnesses at said courthouses over the Holy Bible. And the swearing in of new judges to their posts. And the swearing in of president’s at their inaugurations. And the…

          • Better AndBetter

            Mythology represented as nothing but artwork.

            We have had folks sworn in on the Koran… ready for Sharia law?

            You’re talking about culture, hotshot, not law. Simple tradition, not law.

            Good grief…

          • The Last Trump

            Good grief, is right! The folks who create and pass legislation swear oaths over the Bible, clearly indicating that the laws contained therein supersede our own. And we have only had folks sworn in on the Koran today, while it is open season on Christianity. Never before. But go back to your fantasy and believe what you like. Don’t let a simple thing like facts get in the way.

          • Better AndBetter

            They’ve also sworn such an oath over the Koran. Join the modern world please.

            Nowhere is it written that mythology supersedes civil law… in fact, have you ever read the Constitution? The Supremacy Clause? Please justify that against your claim of mythology being in charge.

            I believe we follow civil law. You believe in mythology. Let’s take both to court and see who comes out on top.

            Your facts aren’t facts… they’re your opinion based on a misunderstanding of fact.

          • The Last Trump

            The fact that the Bible has been used as a symbol of truth that is sworn over is my opinion, eh? Okey dokey, there. See I’m wasting my time here with facts. Your moniker of “Better and Better” says it all. Willful blindness. Good luck with that.

          • Better AndBetter

            The buybull has been a cultural symbol… nothing more. Not one US law demonstrates otherwise. THAT law is what we live under, not the law of mythology.

            Life just KEEPs getting better and better!

    • James Grimes

      Really? if it wasn’t for Christian revolutionaries you would not be calling yourself “American” today. Now, do you have anything of value to add to this discussion?

      • Better AndBetter

        Your mythology is found nowhere in our civil law.

        • James Grimes

          I have no use for Atheists’ opinions.

          • Demmi Greene

            Neither does God, nor the Church.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Too bad there are so many of them in the real world. Is that the one you live in?

        • Keith A. Needham

          The laws regarding theft, murder, lying, cheating and more all come out of the Bible. For a different perspective regarding a culture with no biblical influence, read “Peace Child” by Don and Carol Richardson. Perhaps the culture described within its pages would be more to your liking.

          • Better AndBetter

            Those admonitions can also be found in the Koran… in Hinduism… Scientology… Buddhism. Your mythology ain’t special, sweetheart.

  • Gary

    REAL Christians will NEVER accept homosexuals or ssm. Plenty of fake Christians will though, as has already happened.

    • Phipps Mike

      “Plenty of fake Christians”
      as according to YOU.

      • Jeff Varney

        I’m looking at one right now.

        • Phipps Mike

          dont know who you are but I like Ernest. You are entitled to your opinion but Christian is the closest thing to my beliefs.

      • Gary

        I am not surprised that you are confused about who is a real Christian, and who is not. You have to be saved and a Bible-believer to know the difference.

        • Phipps Mike

          Gary, the problem is that you and many like you think that fundamentalists are the only Christians, That is so wrong, it’s almost not WORTH addressing. There are MANY different types of Christians BESIDES fundamentalists.

        • Phipps Mike

          read this:

          “Extreme fundamentalist Christians actually regard moderate, nominal Christians, “having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof” (II Timothy 3:5), as worse than unbelievers. “I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Revelation 3:15-16)

          They may pity unbelievers, but they distrust or even despise moderate Christians, in whom God has invested more of his grace and light, but who have chosen not to respond wholeheartedly. “For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required.” (Luke 12:48)

          The radical religious right has gained power only by keeping its true intentions under wraps, by using the Republican Party as a cover, and by portraying itself as conservative rather than radical.

          A further marked difference between the fundamentalist Christians and others is that most people are motivated by the desire to find happiness. Those who adhere to Christian fundamentalism do not regard the pursuit of happiness to be a valid motivation, but instead consider “doing the will of God by submitting utterly to the Lordship of His Son Jesus Christ” to be the only acceptable reason for living.

          Those two motivations lead to very different choices and personal values.”

          http://www.sklatch.net/thoughtlets/pall.html

          so that makes you an “EXTREMIST” fundamentalist. Why am I not surprised?

          • Jose

            Ok and your point with this is? It sound to me like you are luke warm and God himself will spit you out.

          • Demmi Greene

            Hope you have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

          • Phipps Mike

            “or even despise moderate Christians, ” meaning that Fundamentalists put themselves ABOVE moderate Christians…aka they condescend aka put themselves in parallel with God. Summary? they are FULL OF IT.

        • Demmi Greene

          Hope you and your family will have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

        • James Grimes

          Exactly. Thanks for sharing.

    • James Grimes

      Very true. We have a word for that – APOSTASY. Apostate “Christians” will say and do things that the Bible says is wrong.

      • Phipps Mike

        “Apostate “Christians” will say and do things that the Bible says is wrong.”
        that would mean that ALL sinners (all of mankind) are apostates.

      • Demmi Greene

        Hope you have a very blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

        • James Grimes

          Thank you. I wish you and your family the same.

    • BeWhoYouAre

      “REAL Christians…(the rest ignored)”

      Look up No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

      • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

        That only works on a plane of natural logic. The Word of God is infallible, and is the bench mark for humanity. Therefore there are things real Christians will not do, and nominal christians will.

        But, only God knows them.

        • Phipps Mike

          just a FYI, Christianity does NOT require being a fundamentalist. There are MANY different types of Christians.

  • Frank

    God calls us to obedience to what He commands. He says we love Him if we obey Him and that we don’t love Him if we disobey Him and if we disobey Him we are not truly His disciples. And only His disciples will make it into eternal life. He says we must turn from our sins to truly be His disciples. He defines homosexuality as sin and says all the sexually immoral which includes not just homosexuality will not make it into eternal life neither will those who practice falsehood, liars. He says that those who love the world that the love of Father God is not in them. Those who profess to be Christians yet say they support these fake marriages and or these sinful acts are practicing falsehood, loving the world, disobeying God willfully and are not Christians and so will not make it into eternal life unless they completely turn from all of this and turn to Jesus in obedience to all He says. God has been extremely clear on this. Wake up church! Watch and pray. Jesus is coming soon. His winnowing fork is in His hands. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge.

    • railhead

      John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

      This scripture and MANY others say that salvation is by faith alone, not of works lest any man should boast. The Bible clearly says we should live right, and keep his commandments, however these are NOT requirements for salvation. Being a disciple is not a requirement for salvation. Loving God is not a requirement for salvation. There is but one requirement for salvation, and that is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, which means NOT believing on your own works any more like the rest of the world’s religions do (Hebrews 6:1).

      The thought of foolishness is sin (Prov. 24:9). I find it amazing that most people who say you have to stop sinning to be saved still watch filth on television, listen to secular music, and do all kinds of worldly things that would make Christians of the past cringe. When you get saved, you begin to hate the things of this world and just stop doing them because you want to. This is called cleansing the inside of the cup and platter first. People who try to be saved by their own efforts of giving up sin are cleansing the outside while the inside is still full of dead men’s bones.

      • Frank

        What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such a faith save him? Faith, if it is not accompanied without action, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that – and shudder. You foolish person do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? .. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. God is clear on all this. Those who are not considered righteous will not be saved. God is not mocked!

        • Neiman

          There are simply too many passages in Holy Scripture that make it clear salvation is by God’s Grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone and not of any works of the flesh or obedience to the Law. Like so many errant Christians, you do not understands that James and Paul were saying the same thing. Abraham was declared righteous by his faith and when he agreed to slay his son, the evidence of the reality of his faith was in what he was willing to do by faith, not by his works.

          For the truly redeemed, James said we should see evidence of the good works of Christ flowing out from our lives, it is the outward evidence of an already inner transformation, the new birth and never the cause. Not once does James suggest that we must earn our salvation or maintain that salvation, it is a free gift obtained by faith and even that faith not of ourselves. Yet, as evidence of that conversion, we should increasingly, as fruits if the Spirit, see His good works in our lives, or we should question if such a person was ever converted (saved) at all.

          • Demmi Greene

            I was just about to add the fruits of the Spirit, but you did.

          • Frank

            See response to railhead.

          • MBH

            Neiman, our works are a fruit of faith. We are saved by grace thru faith not by works lest ay man should boast. The Catholic’s and the JHW’s ppeven changed the scriptures to read the opposite. You are saved by grace thru works and then by faith. Jesus said what shall a man pay to have his sins forgiven?

            I usually say to a Catholic or JHW ” What sin did Jesus not die for? Catholics believe in sins of ommission and commission. Those we know and those we are unaware of. If we are not forgiven and saved for by believing in Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior, than none of us will be saved. Period. It’s when churches add rules and laws they are sinning. They put burdens on their people that even they cannot follow.

            Try following the 610 rules of the Sabbath. I am confident I am saved by grace thru faith alone. Otherwise I could boast and say I am better than that sinner.

          • Demmi Greene

            Hope you’ll have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

          • MBH

            If anyone is in a church that preaches you are saved by grace thru works and then faith, run out of that church. Its ecumenical and preaching a false gospel.

          • Neiman

            If these people believed in the Bible and then read Galatians, they could have no doubts about what you have just written.

          • Frank

            I have not read anyone in this discussion, including me say that a person is saved by grace through works then faith. I think some of the confusion is stemming from people mixing up initial saving faith – Romans, trusting in Jesus and not your works faith as further expounded in Galatians and what God says about how it must be exhibited in our lives otherwise is dead non saving faith as Said in James. But no where have I said a person is saved by grace through works and then faith or that we trust in those works to save us. Nor did any of the scripture I quoted in James. I also think some of the confusion is mixing up works of the Law and obedience to Jesus’ commands. As a side note Ecumenical is slightly different and very much evil.

        • Demmi Greene

          Great post.

        • railhead

          Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
          Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

          Is the above verse lying, or it does it say that someone who does no works but believeth is justified (saved)?

          You are in error, because you are reading James 2 out of context. Faith without works is dead, meaning it accomplishes nothing…but it’s not in the context of salvation otherwise Romans 4:5-6 is a lie. What James 2 is referring to is the fact that your faith cannot be seen by other people, and therefore without works, your faith will do nothing for other people.

          That’s the whole context of James.

          • Frank

            God says differently. Your misunderstanding of faith and grace sends people to eternal torment. God constantly has warned against your type of cheap grace and cheap faith through the entire bible. God makes it clear through James what he is writing is about salvation and blatantly says it as I have quoted. It was written to refute the cheap grace and faith you are refering to to fully round out and explain the Romans verses you are quoting out of context as Romans is referring to the works of the law meaning the Law and the Prophets and other Jewish law customs such as circumcision, special days and the like. Obedience to Jesus the evidence of saving faith is different than the works of the Law such as Romans is referring to and Galatians. Which God makes clear through James and also through John 14:15, 21, 23-24, 15:10, 1 John 2:3-6, 5:3, 2 John 6, Rev 12:17. See also Ps 103:17-18. Acts 5:32, Matt 28:18-20, Heb 5:9. Sure people on their death bed or a cross next to Jesus can and will be saved if their faith is genuine as determined by God, but those people and situations are different from those who do not walk in obedience to Jesus but say they believe and made some decision and yet by their works deny the living Lord Jesus Christ. Their names will be blotted out. That’s what God says. See Romans makes it clear that we don’t rest in our works as in saying oh see I did all these things for You Jesus so you have to save me. And in James it’s a well OK you say you mentally believe well because of this you must live it out by evidence of your works and specifically says this is about being saved as I quoted. And if you don’t exhibit the works of faith it does not save.

          • jennylynn

            You said James is talkin about faith cannot be seen. That is not what James 2 is referrring to. It is talking about dead faith vs. true faith. If you have true faith you will act on it. If you told your wife you loved her and then slept with a bunch of women, then do you really love her. No, If you love her you will cherish, spend time, and be faithful. Same concept here. In Mark Jesus sees faith and it gives Him joy.
            Mark 2:5
            And Jesus SEEING THEIR FAITH said to the paralytic, My son, your sins are forgiven.

            The man was saved by his faith, but his actions verifiied his heart which was evidence of his faith.

            Again rightly divide the word of truth, compare scripture to scripture..

            blessins

          • railhead

            Romans 4:5-6 makes a clear statement, that someone who does no works but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness (salvation).

            What works do you think verify my faith? I have gone door to door preaching the gospel, like the apostles did, is that what verifies I’m truly saved? Or is it quitting smoking? Believe me, people quit smoking every day without Jesus. But people also go door to door preaching without Jesus (they’re called Jehovah’s Witnessses).

            James 2 tells us Abraham was justified by works when he offered up Isaac, yet in Romans 4:1-2 we read that Abraham was NOT justified by works. So either this is a contradiction and we might as well throw the Bible away, or we have to understand what is being spoke of in each instance. In Romans 4 it is talking about salvation. In James 2 it is talking about being justified before OTHERS.

            Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
            Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
            Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness

          • jennylynn

            Works are evidence of your faith. Works do not save you, faith does. Abraham acted on His faith so he was justified. If you tell your wife you love her and sleep with other woman than she would know that your actions don’t match your words. The Bible says that those who don’t know God are spiritually dead. (Ephesians 2:1, 4:18) we are born with physical life but not spiritual life. Those who have God’s Spirit living in them will love what He loves and desire to do His will. They will have a hunger for His word, a love for other believers, and a burden for the lost. the Holy Spirit also confirms in their spirit that they are now children Of God. (Romans 8:16) if you love God you will obey Him. 1 john 2:3-5. We need to trust The Lord and put our faith in Him our good deeds should naturally follow. It is important to compare scripture to scripture to get a better understanding.. I hope that makes sense. 🙂

          • railhead

            Yet, in Romans 4 it says him that “worketh not”. There is someone who does nothing, and yet is saved.
            This is where the rubber meets the road. In Matthew 7:21-23 there is a whole multitude of people who thought they would go to heaven because of their “many wonderful works” according to their own words. These people did, in fact, do many wonderful works if what they say is true….casting out devils, prophesying in Jesus’ name, and yet they are rejected. Why? Because they did not do the will of the father in heaven. And according to John 6:40 the will of the father is to believe in Jesus. Believeing in Jesus means that’s who you are trusting to get you to heaven.
            My works are nothing compared to Jesus shed blood at Calvary that paid for all of my sins. And this is the danger of the way preaching is going today. Preaching is not only soft on sin, but leans more towards works salvation. It makes sense because if you think your works have anything to do with going to heaven, you’re going to lower the bar on sin and say watching adultery and fornication on TV is ok, listening to worldly music sung by Satanic musicians is ok, etc., because most people in our culture do all those things, and they don’t want to say it’s sin and condemn themselves. The thought of foolishness is sin, and I sin every day. But that has nothing to do with salvation. I’m putting all my eggs in one basket…..Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
            Most professing Christians wouldn’t disagree with that, but when I say if I go out and kill someone (like Moses or David) it wouldn’t change anything that’s where you see the divide between those who believe it’s all Jesus, and those who say it’s all Jesus but still trust in their own abstinence from sin to save them. Christians need to be crystal clear….it’s all faith or it’s all works according to Romans 11:6….you can’t have it both ways…and if you trust in works you will go to hell, there is no grey area.

      • Neiman

        …36″Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And He said to him, “‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38″This is the great and foremost commandment.…” Matthew 22

        It is surely true that by the Grace of God, by faith – it even being a gift of God, and that faith in Christ alone as Savior and Lord, is all that is required for salvation. Not by any works of the flesh will anyone be saved, in that we agree and I defend that truth every day: Salvation is by grace alone, by faith alone and that in Christ alone. So we agree . . . except, I would have you consider this:

        While the following is not a matter of works, it is not a list of do’s and don’ts; it is, I believe instructive in bringing the whole Truth to Light: (a) One must believe that God exists, or what is the point? If I do not believe He exists, why would I seek Him? (b) By the testimony of the Holy Spirit through His children, one must come to believe they are sinners and deserve everlasting separation from God and never ending torments, or where would be the cause of repentance, where would be the desire for a Savior? (c) We must have a sincere desire to turn from our sins, albeit without the power to stop sinning; and, that is repentance, it is a true, sincere confession of our sins and a desire to stop sinning, to turn from sin. (d) They must recognize Jesus as their only hope, the only Savior and sincerely seek Him to be their Savior and Lord. (e) Then praise God there is conversion, a new spiritual birth and eternal life.

        So while you are perfectly right about salvation being by grace alone, surely these other things have to exist or one does not seek salvation at all and never benefit from His Grace. Yes, you are also right that by Christ taking His abode in us by His Spirit, we should see evidence of whether or not our conversion is real, by Him working His “good works,” in and through our lives. Not even then by our own will power or strength, but because He said He would work in us to will (desire) and to do (power) all His good will. He said without Him in us, we can do nothing pleasing to God.

        • railhead

          Look up the word repentance in the original KJV, and you will notice that God repents 35 times. Repent is not a word used in our modern vernacular, so who do you think used the right word, modern “scholars” who grew up on TV and soda pop or the KJV translators who spent HOURS in prayer and were fluent in Greek and Hebrew?

          Repent does not mean “turn from sins” or “desire to turn from sins” or any thing of the sort. Repent…”re” means to do again, “pent” comes from the same Latin root as the Spanish word “penzar” which means to think. Thus “repent” means to rethink. And the type of repentance that brings salvation is from dead works (Hebrews 6:1), or from false religion (1 Thes. 1:9).

          All that you wrote may sound good, but we have to get our doctrine from what the Bible says, not what sounds good to us. It sounds right that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell, that’s why the world believes that en masse, even so called Christians. But it’s false.

          • Neiman

            You do not understand what repentance means at all. It implies genuine, Spirit inspired sorrow for sins against God, agreeing with God about our sins and a sincere desire to turn from our sins.

            If God repents of sins, He is not holy and therefore He is not God, so your proposition means God does not exist at all. For God to repent of anything He has done and/or is doing, if He is omniscient and omnipotent, He could not possibly make mistakes, but if you are implying He could, you are again denying His very existence.

            I suggest you go back to your Bible and study some more as it seems you do not understand repentance.

          • Demmi Greene

            Hope you too will have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

          • Neiman

            Same to you and your family.

          • jennylynn

            Railhead,
            using the King James as your translation will mislead you, there have been older manuscripts that have corrected some of the errors. Furthermore use the Greek/Hebrew for your Bible study.
            Repent in the Greek is ( strongs #3340 metanoeo) to think differrent, change heart and mind, repent) when it is used in the old testament of God the King James does a poor job of translating. In the Hebrew (strongs #5162 is to be sorry in Genesis 6:6) other places it sometimes means relent, pity, avenge) Never does God repent in the way He requires of man. I think you need to be careful with some translations. I would get a Hebrew/Greek Bible to help you with your study.
            Blessings!

          • James Grimes

            Excellent rebuttal. Very well done.

          • railhead

            Those “other manuscripts” are actually misleading the masses straight to hell. Do the research, those manuscripts are all older, but disagree with 99% of the other manuscripts. They are also all from catholic sources (Codex VATICANus, found in the garbage pail at a monastery, for instance).
            The King James translators spoke several different languages FLUENTLY, including Greek, Hebrew, and Latin. Today we have pastors standing up with a Lexicon pretending they know more than the men who spent hours in prayer translating the Bible. There are hundreds of English Bible “translations” but all except one follow the same pattern of defaulting to different and inferior manuscripts promoted as better, and they all remove and downplay references to the blood and the diety of Christ.
            Trust me, I spent years reading Bible “versions”, there is a glaring difference between them and the KJV. The KJV is sharp as a two edged sword, other versions are as dull as rubber mallet. Not only that, preaching the KJV to people gets them saved, I’ve never had anyone pray to receive Christ with me from any other version.
            Honestly, all modern versions are copyrighted, and per copyright laws have to be at least a certain percentage different than the others currently out there. It’s the love of money that is prompting version after version, not the love of Jesus Christ.

          • jennylynn

            I have every version and the NASB is very close to the Hebrew/Greek translation which I read. Older manuscripts have been found since the King James and many verses are not accurate. I agree that it is better than most but faulty. God is faithful in preserving His word. Man has corrupted many versions, but I would not hold to a King James only mentality. I also have compared every version but stick with my Greek/ Hebrew to verify.
            Blessings!

          • railhead

            Do you speak Greek and Hebrew fluently? Or do you have another book written by a man that you use to translate on the go? Do you really think generations of Christians that didn’t have those manuscripts but had one Bible had it wrong, and this sinful and adulterous generation that grew up on soda pop and television has it all figured out?
            Think about it….and if you have read all of those versions, you know the glaring difference. The NASB had one translator who recanted the whole thing. And the NASB makes all the same changes the other versions do.
            I knew the difference from the day I got saved, honestly. I went to the Christian bookstore, looked at all the Bible versions, and all of them except the KJV appealed to my flesh. Yet, I was drawn to the KJV. This was 20 years ago when I was a newborn baby in Christ with no church, and no direction whatsoever. I chose the NKJV at the time. Now, after having studied, I use only the KJV, I have many verses memorized, which comes in handy when you’re trying to give someone the gospel or converse with someone about the scripture. If we two were to converse, it’s doubtful we could really use the Bible much because you have so many different versions you read from, you could easily pick whichever one you like, rather than have one be authoritative.

          • jennylynn

            That’s great! I’m glad you found a version that speaks to you. I use a Greek/Hebrew linear word for word with strongs concordance.

            Blessings!

          • railhead

            I appreciate the sentiment, but you’re kind of missing the point….it’s not what speaks to me, it’s what is actually true and right. If you have 400 English versions that all say something different, which one is the truth?
            How do you know Strong’s Concordance is right? Do you honestly think the KJV translators who prayed and fasted for hours a day and spoke several languages by the time they were children were inferior to modern “scholars”, most of whom deny that the Bible is authoritative or inspired?

            Jesus IS the word made flesh (John 1:1, 14), thus the Bible and Jesus are the same thing. That makes it extremely important which words you are reading. Just being in the ballpark is not close enough. I have to know what God actually says as a Christian, not just what speaks to me.

            2Co_2:17 “For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.”
            Many were corrupting the word of God in Paul’s day, how much more in this wicked generation of covetous people?

          • jennylynn

            This is a common misconception. Some people think that the Bible was written in one language, translated to another language, then translated into yet another and so on until it was finally translated into the English. The complaint is that since it was rewritten so many times in different languages throughout history, it must have become corrupted . The “telephone” analogy is often used as an illustration. It goes like this. One person tells another person a sentence who then tells another person, who tells yet another, and so on and so on until the last person hears a sentence that has little or nothing to do with the original one. The only problem with this analogy is that it doesn’t fit the Bible at all.

            The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek; and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly. But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the “problems” are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. For example, instead of saying Jesus, a variation might be “Jesus Christ.” So the actual amount of textual variation of any concern is extremely low. Therefore, we can say that we have a remarkably accurate compilation of the original documents.

            So when we translate the Bible, we do not translate from a translation of a translation of a translation. We translate from the original language into our language. It is a one-step process and not a series of steps that can lead to corruption. It is one translation step from the original to the English or to whatever language in which a person needs to read. So we translate into Spanish from the same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Likewise we translate into the German from those same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts as well. This is how it is done for each and every language into which we translate the Bible. We do not translate from the original languages to the English, to the Spanish, and then to the German. It is from the original languages to the English or into the Spanish or into the German. Therefore, the translations are very accurate and trustworthy regarding what the Bible originally said.

            Comparison Chart

            The following chart represents a compilation of various ancient manuscripts, their original date of writing, the earliest copy, the number of copies in existence, and the time span between the originals and the copies. If the Bible is singled out to be criticized as unreliable then all the other writings listed below must also be discarded.1

            Author Date
            Written Earliest Copy Approximate Time Span between original & copy
            Number of Copies

            Accuracy of Copies
            Lucretius died 55 or 53 B.C. 1100 yrs 2 —-
            Pliny A.D. 61-113. A.D. 850. 750 yrs 7 —-
            Plato 427-347 B.C. A.D. 900. 1200 yrs 7 —-
            Demosthenes 4th Cent. B.C. A.D. 1100. 800 yrs 8 —-
            Herodotus 480-425 B.C. A.D. 900. 1300 yrs 8 —-
            Suetonius A.D. 75-160. A.D. 950. 800 yrs 8 —-
            Thucydides 460-400 B.C. A.D. 900. 1300 yrs 8 —-
            Euripides 480-406 B.C. A.D. 1100. 1300 yrs 9 —-
            Aristophanes 450-385 B.C. A.D. 900. 1200 10 —-
            Caesar 100-44 B.C. A.D. 900. 1000 10 —-
            Livy 59 BC-AD 17 —- ??? 20 —-
            Tacitus circa A.D. 100. A.D. 1100. 1000 yrs 20 —-
            Aristotle 384-322 B.C. A.D.1100. 1400 49 —-
            Sophocles 496-406 B.C. A.D. 1000. 1400 yrs 193 —-
            Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C. 400 B.C. 500 yrs 643 95%
            New
            Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (A.D. 50-100). 2nd Cent. A.D.
            (c. A.D. 130 f.) less than 100 years 5600 99.5%
            As you can see, the New Testament documents are very accurate. Therefore, when the scholars translate from the Greek into the English (or into any other language), we can trust that what is translated is accurate and reliable.

            This was taken from carm. I hope tho helps you!
            Blessings!

          • railhead

            Ok, so you are basically disproving what you originally said in this thread. I already believe that the King James Bible is 100% accurate. You originally said there are new manuscripts out that differ from the King James. These ARE the 1% you are referring to, that differ from the other 99% of manuscripts, and they are being placed over the Textus Receptus as more accurate simply because they are older.
            Codex Vaticanus, for instance, discovered in the trash can of a monastery was older than the other manuscripts and therefore held up as more accurate. This despite the fact it disagreed with the majority text. Basically every new Bible version made in the last 150 years follows the “new discoveries” (Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiaticus, etc), disregarding the majority text ; and change key verses that effect key doctrines. Most of them (except the NKJV) completely remove 16 entire verses from the Bible.
            I believe there is one English Bible that is 100% accurate, and you believe there is NO English Bible that is 100% accurate, yet you are trying to prove to me that the Bible is accurate? Or if you do believe that there is an Englosh Bible that is 100% accurate, which one is it? So far you’ve said the NASB is closest, in your opinion.

          • jennylynn

            No, I was refuting your KJV onlyism. There are some word choices that do not justify the original language to the student of the Bible. God’s word is preserved but it is a tranlation. For instance in the KJV of Revelation 11:17 it says, “saying we give thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee great power, and hast reigned.” No greek manuscrip has art to come, because He hath come. It is after the 7th trumpet. In the NASB it reads, ” We give Thee thanks O, Lord God, the Almighty, who art and who wast because Thou hast taken Thy great power and hast begun to reign.” Again I was refuting your mentality that Only the KJV in the only version. The word of God is preserved and I NEVER said that I believed that NO english Bible is accurate. I believe we have a translations of God’s perfect word and as students we need to be diligent because one word can mean many things in the English and have a completely different meaning in the Hebrew or Greek which has given me a greater understanding of God’s word. I don’t think this is worthy of my time to argue this any longer. I am happy you are learning God’s word and the KJV is fine. I have no problem with it. I memorized many of my versus and will treasure it always. I agree with you on many points and have even gone through all the verses that have been removed. I agree with you many versions have been corrupted by man that is why I don’t use any of the newer Bibles. I just don’t believe we should Lord the KJV over people as superior to other Good translations. I hope I made my point.

            Blessings!

          • railhead

            I just don’t think God only reveals his word to scholars. This is akin to the Catholic churches belief that the lay person cannot understand the word and therefore should not have access to it. They also go back to the Latin, just as modern Christians constantly go back to the Greek and Hebrew, insisting that there are errors in the word of God, that only the learned can correct. I believe there is one English Bible that is 100% correct…and while you say you did not say there is not one, you are saying that they all have errors, which would make them not 100% accurate, and therefore not the word of God, because the word of God is perfect. Do you see the danger here?
            God, as you know, is meek and lowly (Matt. 11:29), and anyone can go to the dollar store and pick up a KJV, that has no copyrights or royalties. People don’t need a greek lexicon to understand God’s word and know what it says, yet that is pretty much what 99% of churches imply today when the pastor constantly breaks out a Greek lexicon and corrects the Bible.
            I’m not “lording it over” people, hopefully, but I will say Jesus is the word made flesh….and Jesus is the Lord. Thus, the word is also the Lord, and it is vitally important we have the word of God as our authority. Otherwise, we become our own authority as we choose which parts of the Bible we think are accurate and which are not.

          • jennylynn

            Agreed. 🙂

      • jennylynn

        Railhead

        Yes we are saved by faith and not by works. Faith requires action. If you believe in Jesus you will act on His words.
        Also we are under the moral law of Christ. Christ repeats alll of the ten commandments but one, the sabath.
        The first 4 of the 10 commandments are how to treat God, the last 6 are how to treat others. Now think about that. These two laws sum them up. If you love God with all your heart you will not have any idols, you will not worship false gods, you won’t take the Lord’s name in vain. If you love your neigbor as yourself, you wont steal from him, kill him, covet his stuff, and you won’t cheat on your wife.
        In Matthew 22:37 Jesus said ” And He said to him, YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIIND. This is the great and foremost commanment. The second is like it, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGBOR AS YOURSELF. On these two commandments depend the whole law and the prophets.
        What is Jesus saying? Did He come to do away with the moral law?
        Matthew 5:17-19 Do not think I came to abolish the law or the prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished. Whoever annuls (does away with) one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
        We are not under the Mosaic law, but are under the moral law of Christ.
        Romans 13;9
        For this you shall nott commmit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, ” You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
        I think people confuse obediance to Christ with works. Christ did not say oh, you are allowed to murder, steal and kill under this new covenant, Istead He acentuatted it and said if you even lust after a woman you have commited adultey in your heart. If you hate your brother you have commited murder in your heart. He said you must be born again, a changed person to enter the kingdom. John 3:3. Now obedience won’t save us, it is evident of our love for God. Christ saved us by His sacrifice alone, but to say we don’t have any responsibility is wrong. Faith moves us to action. If you believe in Jesus you have to recieve the gift, you have to act on your faith. We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ and His Spirit will give us the strength to obey His commandments. John 14:15 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me; and he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him, and will disclose Myself to him. Furthermore, we are saved by faitth through grace this not of yourself, it is a gift of God, not of works lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9, But let us remember what true grace is.
        Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust, we should live soberly, righteously and godly in the present age.
        We are not free to sin, but free from sin by the power of Christ.
        True salvation takes repentence and sorrow for ones sins that will bring a great gratitude for what Christ has done and a deep love for Him. If you are a true convert you will no longer continue in sin, which tramples the blood of Christ. So many so called Christians in America live licentious lives and think they are saved, just by litttle prayer, wrong. 1 Corinthians 6 is clear that if you continue in sin you will not inherit the kingdom. Works is a result of true love and faith for God. It is also important that you take the whole council of God into account and not just one verse. We are called to rightly divide the word of truth or handlng accurately the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2;15. Taking one verse and not comparing it with the rest of scripture can be very misleading.

        • Frank

          Exactly!

          • Demmi Greene

            Hope you have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

          • Frank

            Thank you. I hope you do as well.

        • BeWhoYouAre

          We are saved by faith and not works? So that means an Adolf Hitler type creature could wipe out millions of people, “find Jesus” on his deathbed, and all would be forgiven?

          I think you’d have a very hard time selling that one to most people.

          • jennylynn

            Well if a Hitler like person truly repented of his sin than the Lord would forgive him, just like the apostle Paul killled many people and had a true conversion and was forgiven. Just the same on someones death bed. We are saved by faith and our works follow us, but if one dies than he will get in by the skin of his teeth. He won’t have any rewards but getting into heaven is a free gift not something we can ever earn. Our works are just evidence of our faith.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Six MILLION people.
            Are you sure?

            I wouldn’t FOLLOW a religion that taught such a thing. That is a man who must atone for every single death he caused.

          • jennylynn

            I can assure you that God is completely just and everyone will get exactly what they deserve if they have not put on the righteousness of Christ. You don’t have to worry about Hitler or anyone else. God is all powerful and died for the sins of the whole world and gives eternal life to those who repent and believe He is God. The God who created the universe is beyond our comprehension of love and compassion. Just make sure you repent and turn from sins and let God deal with individuals by His infinite knowledge.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I can assure YOU – “once saved always saved” is wrong, and deeply, DEEPLY evil.

          • jennylynn

            I don’t believe in that false doctrine. That is not what you were asking though. Once saved always saved has nothing to do with God forgiving repentant sinners, it has to do with people forsaking God after knowing Him and willfully walking away.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            What we are talking about is a person doing unspeakable amounts of evil, simply reciting a few words and having their sins magically washed away. In other words, works count for ZERO, whether they are good or bad, and that is ridiculous. That’s why “faith without works is dead” – James 2:17.

          • jennylynn

            First of all none of us are righteous and can ever be good enough to earn anything. If God gave us what we deserve it would be hell. Don’t think your judgements are right. When compared to Gods standards no one would stand, apart from Christ. Now I would encourage you to read Romans 4-6 to get an understanding of saved by faith. If you are saved by faith you will be dead to sin. Our works are a result of our faith, they are evident of our love an obedience to God. When a person dies and someone witnesses to him on his death bed, are you saying it’s too late? Don’t bother? If the person has truly repented in his heart do you not think that God will know his true hearts condition, or do you know better? What did Jesus say to the their on the cross when he was dying?
            Like 23:42 “An he was saying, Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!
            Vs. 43 “And Je said to him, Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise.”
            Did Jesus say I know Gondi some work to save yourself? No, He knew his heart and he truly repented, he was dying, he didn’t have time to show his faith.
            God doesn’t will that anyone should perish but all should come to repentance.
            2 Peter 3:9. Now this guy got saved by the skin of his teeth, but his rewards won’t be much since he did not live his whole life for God. If you are saved you will be dead to sin and alive in Christ an you will have fruit to show for it. Galatians 5. God will reward those for their faith not save them for their works. I hope that makes sense. God is just and all knowing and judges the thought and intensions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

          • Phipps Mike

            “If you are saved by faith you will be dead to sin”
            oh, so once your saved, you NEVER sin again? OKKKKKKK.

          • jennylynn

            1 John 3:8
            “The one who PRACTICES SIN is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
            9. No one who is born of God PRACTICES SIN, because His seed abides in Him; and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

            This does not mean he will never sin? But that he won’t practice, willfully sin knowingly, it means he will surrender to God, and crucify his flesh by God’s strength. If you are not abiding in His word or surrendering to Him this will be impossible because apart from Him you can do nothing. John 15.

            As for once saved always saved, we are eternally secure IN CHRIST. He will never forsake us, but man forsakes Him and willfully leaves. If that were not the case than we would not need the full armor of God and Satan would leave Christians alone. Satan’s goal is to destroy the faith of believers IF he can. Read 2 Peter 2. During the end many will fall away from the faith Matthew 24.many are false coverts who will not withstand the heat of persecution.

          • Demmi Greene

            And that’s the Gospel of our Lord,…Jennylynn,…well done, dear sister, well done. His love, his word and provision for our souls is truly, ”Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.” Psalm 19.

            Have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

          • jennylynn

            Thank you sister! god bless and you Happy Thanksgiving!

          • James Grimes

            Jennylynn, you’re wasting your time. He might have a Bible, but he does not read it for true understanding. Have a blessed day.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Not only do I read it, but I read all 73 books of it, unlike your version which had entire books torn out of it by heretics.

          • James Grimes

            My comment was not about you, but if the shoe fits… BTW, the Roman Catholic Bible has 72 books and the Protestant Bible has 66. If you are reading 73 books, as you claim you do, you are not reading the Bible or you have no clue what you are talking about. My guess is that you are ill equipped to fight a battle of the wits. I really do feel sorry for you because of your insignificance.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            No, 73 books.

            66 plus Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees (and additional verses in Esther and Daniel).

            Guess I have no clue what I’m talking about eh? Even though I know how to use Google.

          • James Grimes

            “Guess I have no clue what I’m talking about eh?” Absolutely. You still don’t. Please don’t bother me with your nonsense as I have no sympathy for you. As I had said earlier, you are insignificant. Accept it and move on.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            There are 73 books in the Catholic bible you ignoramus. Not 72. If you’re going to get things wrong at least be man enough to admit it.

          • James Grimes

            Your response is very biblical. Your statement, “If you are saved by faith you will be dead to sin. Our works are a result of our faith, they are evident of our love an obedience to God” is very accurate. In several of the classes I had taken at Bible college, this was a central theme in our biblical studies classes. The truth is, once we have faith, we will naturally perform the works of the Spirit. This doesn’t free us from sin, but we will readily recognize when we do sin and immediately repent.
            Thank you for sharing.

          • Phipps Mike

            “I don’t believe in that false doctrine”
            then you obviously are NOT a Baptist Christian.

          • James Grimes

            Don’t be assured because you are WRONG!

          • BeWhoYouAre

            No, Mr. Fundie Bigot, YOU are wrong.

          • Pax Humana

            Prove it, jerk weed.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Google for yourself, douchenozzle.

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            What is limitless about God’s love, grace, and mercy if there is an exception? Then He is not eternal, and not God.

          • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

            How nice. A “Get Out of Hell Free” card.

            I’d rather live my life being kind, charitable,and compassionate rather than dishing out crap on other people and relying on some third party to forgive me. Especially when the crap is based on 4000 year old tribal taboos from a bunch of Middle Eastern nomads. That’s not morality.

          • jennylynn

            Getting out of hell is not free. It cost God His Son. He was brutally mutdered beyond recognition in your place, because of His great love. If anything tht should bring you to your knees of thanksgiving instead of blasphemy.
            It is free to those who put their faith in Him because all your good works won’t save you. No matter how good you feel doing them they are filthy rags to God. Only His sacrificial blood can save you. Jesus also said to count the cost. Following Him is not easy, maybe now in America, but that will change under persecution. He said you will be HATED by ALL nations because if His name. It is not going to be easy. He said they will kill us and think they are doing a service to God (Islam) but those who remain faithful will gain eternal life. So as you can see it is not like you think, but priceless in the end. This world will burn up but a his words will never perish.

          • James Grimes

            Why are you on this site bothering those who profess a true belief and faith in the God of the Universe? Your presence here is the epitome of arrogance.

          • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

            Really.

            I’m not arrogant enough to think that I have the right to impose my personal religious beliefs on everyone through the civil law in a secular nation. Nor am I arrogant enough to believe that my religious beliefs make me morally superior to others, no matter my actions.

            And I take deep offense at a naked attempt to smear a whole community based on the alleged actions of one individual — especially since the allegations may not be credible — as part of a slanted article meant to undermine a despised minority’s demand for equal treatment under the law — which is guaranteed by our Constitution.

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            It wouldn’t matter to most people except that one.

          • Demmi Greene

            Hope you have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            yeah, I need it. God bless you, hon

          • Demmi Greene

            You too. Remember, he’s just a prayer away. I’ll remember you to him and lift you up in mine, he knows us by our monikers, too:)

        • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

          Faith works.

        • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

          “Faith requires action. If you believe in Jesus you will act on His words.”

          Matthew 25:40.

      • Demmi Greene

        Hope you will have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving.

        • railhead

          Thank you, I did!

  • Demmi Greene

    These people and their subversive ideology need to leave the House of
    God alone, period.They seek now to supplant God as the final authority
    for Christians,..as well as the Word of God ,itself that’s clear. They
    have their newly decreed, secular-government issued, ‘civil rights’
    marriages decrees, and were supposedly going to be content? They have
    their ”affirming churches” who will be glad to oblige ‘wedding
    ceremonies’ for their delusional apostasy, so nothing’s left but try to
    remake the unyielding remnant of the Church ”in their own image”.

    But little do they realize, they truly do have a problem regarding their open, brazen assault on the Church. Matthew 16:18

    Christ has already said”. . .And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

    • Windy Pitts

      Ephesians 6:12-13 12
      For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.13 Therefore , take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

      • Demmi Greene

        Ephesians 6:18 ►

        18/ ”With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the
        saints, 19/ ”and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel,…”

  • James Anderson

    John Stonestreet claims that the plan for marriage is made clear in Genesis. If that’s the case then which of the two models is he referring to? Because they’re quite different. Early editors clearly thought both versions had validity but which are we to believe?

    • Demmi Greene

      What is unclear to you in Genesis is reiterated from Christ’s own words in Matthew. There is no ambiguity from the OT to the NT regarding this issue as far as God’s will is concerned.

      Genesis 2 …23/ The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.” 24/ For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.”

      Matthew 19…4/ ”And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5/ and
      said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH ‘? 6/ “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”…

      • James Anderson

        That doesn’t answer my question. In fact it provides a third alternate. Elsewhere in Matthew Jesus says specifically that the OT should be ignored, in particular the mosaic laws. He also famously said that any follower of His should leave husband, wife, mother, father, children, etc, and give away all he possesses.

        In the first Genesis version A & E are both created out of dust. They are then told to go forth and be fruitful. Implying a sexual union. In the second, the order of creation is slightly different. A is created first, gets lonely, is put to sleep, God then makes E from his rib. This couple remain in ignorance till the apple incident. There are to be no sexual relations. It’s very confusing.

        • Demmi Greene

          So it seems that there ‘s a pattern of the totality of the Scriptures confusing you,..given your obvious inability to get your head around the simplest of texts that even my SS class surpasses w/ ease. Maybe the root of your issue is really innate?

          John 10:…26/ “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27/ “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;….”

          • James Anderson

            I’m sorry, was I being rude to you? Not quite understanding the hostility. You repeat proof texts that do nothing to answer my question but only add further confusion. None of your proof-texts address the contradiction in Genesis. And if someone wants to write law based on Genesis he’d better be able to read it properly. I’ve read the gospels: they mostly contradict each other. What you mean by totality may be apparent to you but not to me. I’m sorry if you find that irritating. I’ll try to do better.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”You repeat proof texts that do nothing to answer my question None of your proof-texts address the contradiction in Genesis.”

            Why do you expect to understand the gospels or the Epistles or any of my answers? Your soul is un-regenerated, its ‘spiritually dead’,.. so how can you understand it? Christ said,,…. “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them,”’ ‘That is not cryptic, .- its explaining your spiritual problem in plain speak. Like I said,… the root of your issue is really innate.

            John 6:65
            ” And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”

          • James Anderson

            In other words you don’t know.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”In other words you don’t know.”.

            Well see,..now you’ve gone and confused yourself as to which of us actually initiated all the moronic questions, haven’t you? So fyi,.. I refuse to let a ‘b———‘ like you tie up my time when we both know the drill.

            You’re kinda like this ”HRC Ad Campaign”;.. wading into the deep end, and neither of you have on any ‘floaties’.

  • Sam_Handwich

    “the actual purpose of marriage is for a oneness that leads to procreation.”

    Maybe someone should let Rush Limbaugh know this. FOUR marriage, no offspring. ..which is probably a good thing.

  • railhead

    “was arrested last week and charged with sexually assaulting a teenage boy” should tell people everything they need to know about Sodomites. Actually, this is exactly what the Bible says about them…the very first time they are mentioned in the Bible they are trying to rape someone. Yet society believes it’s TV programming, and thinks they are all nice people who are just misunderstood, and that “fundamental” Christians are the real enemies.

    Who would you rather be locked in a prison cell with, a “fundamentalist” Christian or a sodomite? At worst we are going to try to get you saved, or quote the Bible. But you know what will happen if you are locked up with a sodomite, it’s common knowledge, and the source of jokes about people who go to prison, although it’s not really very funny when a man rapes another man.

    Unfortunately society won’t wake up until the sodomites are breaking people’s doors down. I’ve noticed their numbers are growing since all the “tolerance” has started, and so will the numbers of sexual crimes because the two are linked together. Keep your kids safe, is all I can say. Beware of people who want to babysit your kids, even church people. Notice that in 2 Kings 23:7 the sodomites built their houses by the house of the Lord. They know God’s people are gullible and often easy prey.

    • Sam_Handwich

      PHILADELPHIA: A Philadelphia pastor was arrested last week after his 15-year-old mentally challenged niece ratted him out for allegedly molesting her inside the ministry office this summer.

      Albert A.Young, 49, described in the Philadelphia Daily News as a “wolf disguised as a sheep,” was charged with unlawful sexual contact with a minor, corruption of minors and indecent assault of a child.

      http://www.malaysiandigest.com/world/526490-philadelphia-pastor-accused-of-molesting-15-year-old-mentally-challenged-niece.html

      A pastor at a Wimauma church is facing a sexual battery charge after a woman said that he molested her decades ago, according to the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office.

      Patrick Haford Shiver, 72, was arrested Wednesday on a charge of capital sexual battery.

      http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/pastor-of-wimauma-church-accused-of-molesting-girl-decades-ago/2205299

      ATTLEBORO, Mass. (WPRI) — A former assistant pastor and principal pleaded guilty Thursday to charges he sexually abused a female student.

      Rev. Jeffrey Nichols was arrested in January, accused of molesting the girl between 2008 and 2013 while he was the principal of Grace Baptist Christian Academy in Attleboro. Nichols also served as the assistant pastor of Grace Baptist Church.

      http://wpri.com/2014/06/04/former-assistant-pastor-indicted-on-indecent-assault-charges/

      • Demmi Greene

        You left out all the pederasts and pedophiles in the BSA Troop leaders. What of the homosexuals who were made priests in good faith, and then laid waste to the Catholic believers and their reputation Predators mask their intent to kill the sheep.

      • railhead

        2Pet. 2:1 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

        Not every “pastor” is a Christian, in fact, most aren’t. And while I don’t know for sure if these men are or not, this proves nothing. If you’ll notice, I even pointed out that the Bible specifically said that sodomites built their houses next to the house of the Lord. The Bible also specifically says that a man that perverts doctrine (like a Catholic priest that teaches works salvation) will also be perverted in the same way as Sodomites were. Looks like the Bible was right on that one, too. (Jude 4-8)

        The statistics on homosexuality and pedophilia are staggering and used to be well known and published in both psychological and law enforcement circles.

      • James Grimes

        This does not negate the fact that people in a gay activists group will seek out their victims to have their way with them at some time. Recent news articles have proven this point. Try as you may, but on a Christian site you will not get any credibility.

      • The Last Trump

        Sodomites POSING as Christians! Hey, hey! Good eye! Nice discovery there, Sammy Handwich! Wolves in sheep’s clothing for sure! Nothing is safe from these people. 🙂

  • Neiman

    I believe it is absolutely critical for every Christian to see this homosexual activism as a war against God, a war to kill all faith in God. This group is part of the army of Satan to accomplish that end, for as Jesus lamented, would He on His return find any faith at all on earth. The answer is – virtually none.

    Please read carefully below:

    For the sake of discussion, let us say these people are right and God has always approved of the homosexual lifestyle and gay marriage. God says He is a God of Love, but if these people are right, then He deliberately allowed His children from the beginning of time to be deceived on this issue and He allowed gays to suffer unnecessary pain all that time and most to even reject His salvation since the dawn of man. Now please explain to me how that is Love? Oh, I forgot, His children have mistranslated Scripture and only now, by the wisdom of gays and liberal minded folk, is the Truth coming to light. Doesn’t that say that God was an absentee Father, that He didn’t care about this issue and doesn’t that make Him cruel to, by His silence, allowed so much pain for gays and confusion by His Church? Does an absentee and abusive Father fit with God’s Own description of Himself?

    The very idea that the Church got this all wrong for many millennia, would make a very strong case that God does not exist at all and that is exactly, whether they are conscious of the fact or not, the gay movement and liberal forces of the anti-Christ are all about, they are about killing God, they are about silencing the Church and its testimony against sin. It is a war against God and that is what Scripture tells us will happen, that the world will almost completely reject God.

    • Sam_Handwich

      Allahu ackbar!! Yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi!

    • Demmi Greene

      ”It is a war against God”,….Game. Set. Match.

    • Arrie

      Sadly, we are missing that this war already started in the early 70’s. But I do not really find evidence of Christians standing up as much then as they are now against the same sex marriage onslaught of today. Standing up and fighting today is still good though, but know this, every one battling this is starting at a disadvantage, but still, stand up and fight.
      For the record, what was the initial battle that was lost? It is called divorce.
      Everything of today, same sex marriage, lack of our younger generation committing to marriage, etc. can be seen as fruit from that 70’s thing that we have lost.
      Divorce has set the unchangeable realignment of marriage, that is making marriage, the holy covenant, to be worth minimal for the generation of today.
      Just my opinion – I do not mind the attacks that will follow on this.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    If you google “child sex abuse by Christian ministers,” you get over 16 million results. I seem to remember something about planks and motes from somewhere.

    • Neiman

      First, there is no doubt that far too many people claiming to be Christian ministers, whether they are genuine Christians or not, that have been accused and even found guilty of all forms of sexual misconduct, including child sex abuse. It is important to note that there is not a single word and all of holy Scripture that would support or defend such gross sexual immorality. So, no matter how many these cases represent genuine guilt or not, they must be condemned.

      It is in the interests of the enemy of our souls to entice as many Christians into sin as possible, that he might destroy faith in God. It should not be surprising that he would focus more on Christians and Christian ministers than on the lost in this regard, he already has the souls of the latter and would like to kill and destroy as many of the former as possible. Christians and Christian ministers, while saved, are after all human beings while still in this world and are subject to manifold temptations and the enemy of our souls will spare no effort in causing them to fall in the eyes of the world, to fall away from their faith and therefore present no danger to his plans in destroying the world.

      What is impossible to know is how many of these Christians or Christian ministers, were truly converted in the first place, meaning how many of them are Christians in name only and never by virtue of a new birth in Christ. I think it is safe to assume that most of them were at minimum carnal Christians, practical atheists in their lives and were never saved in the first place. Not that it matters to the victims of their sinful conduct, but it is something that should cause us concern, as the enemy of our souls has so thoroughly infiltrated the so – called Church. The massive evidence of so many of these ministers having compromised their faith in many small ways, ceasing to condemn sin and ceasing to preach on the need for holy living, is the cause of their defeat and sadly it brings reproach upon the name of Christ.

      • Phipps Mike

        “there is no doubt that far too many people claiming to be Christian ministers, whether they are genuine Christians or not”
        you mean like “ordained”, right? lol

        • Neiman

          Being “ordained” is mostly a term applied by man-made ecclesiastical organizations and based more on their academic credentials than their being truly called and anointed by the Holy Spirit for Christian ministry. I I am comparing those genuinely called by God and those that have genuinely been converted to Christ, while falsely feeling called; and those that think they are Christian and have not been truly converted to Christ, many of whom go into ministry for all the wrong motives, mostly for self-serving purposes. While they are few in comparison to the whole, we must regret their misdeeds, their crimes and pray for their souls. Fortunately, they are the minority and we can thank God for the many devoted and true ministers of the Gospel.

          The main cause for those in ministry, rightly called or falsely assuming a call, falling into temptation and sin, is because they stopped preaching against sin and the consequences of sin, in their pursuit of the things of this world. That is fertile soil for the enemy of our souls to bring great temptation against them, because he hates all Christians and he wants to cause these ministers to fall from grace, giving ammunition to the enemies of Christ in their war against him and his church.

          • Phipps Mike

            “many of whom go into ministry for all the wrong motives, mostly for self-serving purposes. ”
            televangelists in mega-churches. I get ya.

          • Neiman

            You know I said nothing like that, you are intimating I said something I did not say nor imply. You are painting with a broad brush saying that all pastors of mega-churches or all televangelists have wrong motives or are all self-serving, I do not know all their hearts and neither do you.

            I would say that the larger their following, the more suspicious I am that they have compromised the Gospel to gain that popularity, but I am not accusing any particular person.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” You are painting with a broad brush saying that all pastors of mega-churches or all televangelists have wrong motives or are all self-serving,”
            not ALL, but I believe that greed comes to MOST people who receive that much money.

          • Neiman

            It is true that the love of money can, by the weakness of the flesh and the temptations of the Devil, stir up the sin of greed, it can cause people to be deceived and abused and is a danger to any minister. I agree many, not most, successful ministers have struggled with and far too many fallen into that trap to their harm and that of their congregants. But, such greed, such faults and even fallen ministers are not an indictment against Christ as there is no warrant in scripture wherein these things are acceptable to God and such people will in His Wisdom suffer the consequences of their sins.

          • Phipps Mike

            “are not an indictment against Christ ”
            100% agreed.

    • Peter Leh

      the condemnation should be focused on the crime. to that end anyone who defends the perp is just as dangerous as the perp.

      • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

        I’m not defending the perpetrator — as far as I’m concerned, there is no defense for abusing a minor in any way. I do, however, take exception to using isolated incidents to condemn a whole class of people, the overwhelming majority of whom are innocent of any wrongdoing. And it’s simply a matter of documented fact that 40% of known child molesters have no adult sexual orientation, and that over 98% of the remainder — those who are attracted to adults — identify as heterosexual. This is based on the work of Dr. Nicholas Groth, and conforms to figures from the FBI.

        As for the HRC ad campaign — good for them. It’s about time they did something besides go to cocktail parties in Washington.

        • Peter Leh

          i figured your intention was as you say.

          Integrity is integrity no matter if one is a christian or not. To demean a whole group based on ignorance is of the devil. HOwever, i tend to have many christians disagree they are ignorant and/or are helping the devil. 🙂

  • Phipps Mike

    It definitely isn’t going to work, The co founder ruined ANY chance of credibility for that organization by committing his crime. His theory of equality shouldn’t have included child molestation.

    • Peter Leh

      The loss of credibility, imo, would be if the HRC defends or accommodates the perp. justice is the basis of equality and justice/ equality should be the goal of all.

      • Phipps Mike

        good point. I just think that many Christians hold the “guilt by association” thought process, Like knee jerk laws, so to speak.

        • Peter Leh

          I am sure many do, religious affiliation aside. HOwever, I hope we as a culture and as christians are realizing the difference between a “civil matter” and a “religious matter.” How many perps have been protected and continue to abuse other when these “elders” throw down the scripture about christians in not being in court?

          No. call 911. then pray for the perp while he/she is on there way to jail. 🙂

  • Bella

    Okay. To say that THE purpose for marriage is procreation is completely wrong. Many people cannot procreate, or they married too late in life for childbirth…but God still had a purpose for them. The purposes for marriage stem from COVENANT and extend to all sorts of Kingdom purposes. This is both Scriptural and experiential. BU-U T…
    Scripture is also very clear about which covenants are marriages and which ate not.
    In our (still, but it seems not for long) FREE country, adults have the right to choose whatever kind of relationship they wish. Everyone already HAS the right to get married! This debate is not about rights.
    This debate is about people trying to heal years of rejection by forcing others to embrace everything they DO by screaming, “This is who we ARE.”
    First, Jesus is the One who heals rejection all the way down…not society, marriage laws, or affirmation.
    Second, if your identity rests in whom you prefer sexually (or what), you have a shaky foundation.
    Third, homosexuality is not the problem. It is one of many symptoms of the problem (lack of affirmation, rejection, or abuse). Sure, not everyone can pinpoint where or how same-sex attraction starts. But sexuality matures just like the rest of us does. We are not born with a preference.
    Here is where the church has failed to step in with real compassion and real answers, plain and simple. We’ve decried things like same-sex attraction, alcoholism, porn, and even things Scripture doesn’t mention but that we consider aberrant for whatever reason…but we do not believe or share the power of Christ to heal ALL and transform ALL. We accept too much as permanent…to be managed and treated rather than made completely new.

    • Phipps Mike

      “Okay. To say that THE purpose for marriage is procreation is completely wrong. Many people cannot procreate, or they married too late in life for childbirth…but God still had a purpose for them”
      hear hear!!

    • Neiman

      When did Jesus said if we believe hard enough we can share His power and that as a result result everyone can be healed or transformed? It would be nice if you could back that up by God’s Word, not just your emotions.

      • Phipps Mike

        what about faith healers? bwahahahahaha!!!

        • Neiman

          Again I will not indict everyone, while I admit some are false and they will be judged by God. I will also say that God’s Word about certain people having the Holy Spirit gift of healing is still a fact and that whether it be the leaders of the Church or individual members, prayers of faith can still bring about Divine healing.

          I have no idea what this nonsense means “bwahahahahaha!!! But, I suspect it is an expression of more of your hatred for Christ and His Church.

          • Phipps Mike

            no, its actually my hatred for PHONEYS. I do NOT believe that ANYBODY on this entire EARTH has the power to heal nor the power of ESP, telekinetic powers, or psychics. Its a bunch of BALONEY. Mankind are ALL EQUAL even in our sensory powers.

          • Neiman

            Of course your judgment about phoney’s is most often based on your subjective opinions and not fact.

            Healing: Again that is your bias, your anti-Christian bias, not fact. In my own life, all as a result of prayer by others: When I was born I could not digest breast milk or any substitutes known at the time and was expected not to survive; as a toddler I was hit by a car and survived; almost died in a house trailer fire; later on I had polio and after prayer was totally healed within a couple of days with no long term handicaps; later, before my teens I was hit by another car, knocked over 15 feet in the air, was in a coma and had my second major concussion; as a young adult I had a 350 lbs transformer fall on my chest; later in my twenties I was hit by a third car, it rolled completely over me, 350 cuts to my face, a third major concussion and some fractures. Despite all of these, I have had no long term handicaps or ill effects, all of these threatened my life; I will not list other injuries, almost a dozen automobile accidents, military and other high risk occupations and other illnesses; but by prayers for my healing and protection, I have reached more than three score and ten. Now you can discount them all, you will, but I know that I should not be alive or at the least have suffered some long term limitations, but none exist, well except I know you will think my Christian faith is a mental illness.

          • Phipps Mike

            1. it has NOTHING to do with religion. It has to do with that NO MAN can perform magic.
            2, ALL of your unfortunate incidents were healed by GOD, not through a mans hand.

            we are obviously talking about 2 different things, I am referring to those joke phoneys that stand up on stage and place their hand on a crippled persons head and starts with his mumbo jumbo words saying something to the effect “and through Gods power, I heal you…walk!!! walk!!!” and presto, the supposed crippled person walks.
            Thats MUMBO JUMBO baloney.

          • Neiman

            Yes there are phony’s, far too many; but that does not negate the fact that a gift of the Holy Spirit is one of healing and there are, how many I have no idea, but there are truly anointed ministers that can lay hands on people and bring about healing by the power of God in them. I have witnessed it, mostly in smaller Churches. Also, I will agree that having high profile healing services offers a high risk the men involved are not anointed by God, but are using it for personal gain and celebrity and power over others. Yet, that does not rule out the true gift of the Holy Spirit in some, albeit in my opinion, such healings were always, in the Bible, connected with offering proofs of Christ being alive and for drawing lost souls to salvation. I will also agree that God does not show off and most true works of the Spirit are done quietly, in small churches or one on one, and can be with the laying on of hands.

            I agree God healed me, I only disagree that they were unfortunate; I trust that God has a plan for the lives of His children and he would not have healed me and literally saved my life many times, unless He allowed these things by His permissive Will that it might be for my spiritual good and His Glory.

          • Phipps Mike

            The pain/financial hardships you went through is unfortunate.

            “but there are truly anointed ministers that can lay hands on people and bring about healing by the power of God in them.”

            maybe their PRAYERS through doing that brings about the healing, yes, but no such thing as this instant healing and no such thing as the man having any PHYSICAL powers to make this healing happen. Point blank, NO MAN HAS SUPERNATURAL POWERS.

          • Neiman

            No man of his own will or natural powers can heal anyone, I agree. Men anointed by the Lord, by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit can by the laying on of hands, which is quite scriptural, be an instrument wherein God moves and brings about Divine Healing. If Christ by His Holy Spirit is in the man, that same Holy Spirit can and does use them that He might heal them. Do the natural hands bring about healing? No, but God can use them as a point of contact wherein He chooses to heal. Yes, there have been instant healings, I have seen too many to deny that fact.

            A dear and late friend of mine, a doctor, we were kidnapped at the same time at gun point many years ago, was a militant atheist. One day he came upon an accident where a young girl was hit by a car, with his experience in emergency and critical care medicine, he absolutely knew the young girl was dead after a clinical examination on the scene. For reasons beyond him, he said out loud, God if you are real, bring this girl back to life and heal her. The moment the last word was out of his mouth, she gasped for air, became conscious and had no ill effects. Could it have been a coincidence? Was he wrong about her being dead? No one can prove either thing absolutely, but knowing the man, his atheism and his credentials, having worked with him several years, I tend to believe his story.

          • Phipps Mike

            “No, but God can use them as a point of contact wherein He chooses to heal. ”
            that’s the part I disagree with. God needs no VESSEL to heal and that’s why PRAYER works WITHOUT a vessel. he CREATED us, Why in the world would he NEED a vessel. Do you think he has LOST some of his powers? Think about that, he created this whole universe but yet needs a VESSEL to heal? NO WAY.

          • Neiman

            If you would choose to carefully read the New Testament, you will find that while He was still on this earth, before His resurrection, He sent out His disciples and gave them power to cast out demons, to heal the sick and raise the dead, after the resurrection we know that John, Paul and Peter, among others did go out an cast out demon spirits, raise the dead and heal people and it is recorded that all they met were healed, sometimes by the laying on of hands, once by Paul by physically falling on a dead man, and even pieces of cloth that had touched Paul brought healing and some even healed by his shadow passing over them. It vwas all the power of God, He was doing His work in and through them.

            It has nothing to do with God needing men or having not enough power on His own; He chooses to use human instruments, He could by His Spirit convict men of their sins and bring them to salvation. Yet, He chooses to use His children, by His Spirit in them to do His work on earth. He is intimately involved with His children, He uses them for His Own Divine purposes, it is His Spirit in them and He deserves all the thanks and glory.

          • Phipps Mike

            “He sent out His disciples and gave them power to cast out demons, to heal the sick and raise the dead, after the resurrection we know that John, Paul and Peter, among others did go out an cast out demon spirits, raise the dead and heal people and it is recorded that all they met were healed, sometimes by the laying on of hands, once by Paul by physically falling on a dead man, and even pieces of cloth that had touched Paul brought healing and some even healed by his shadow passing over them”
            this is something I don’t recall from my Church days or from when I read the Bible. Most interesting. It makes me wonder WHY.

          • Neiman

            It would be terribly presumptuous of me to try and answer for God, when He hasn’t given us a clear answer in His Word. I just know that He chooses to work through His children, although as you rightly pointed out He still works directly according to His Will; yet it He wants us His children to seek Him in prayer often and over many things, for us to experience answers to prayer, which answers build our faith, such answers cause us to be thankful to God and grow closer to Him. In my life I have known prayers went up to God on my behalf and so many times He has rescued and blessed me and while I have no direct knowledge of specific prayers, I know that these things are mostly in answer to many unknown and I assure you, undeserved prayers. So, God chooses to work mostly through His children, it is always designed to bless both the person prayed for and the person praying; and, ultimately rebounds to His Glory. I don’t dare at least for now to suggest anything more.

          • The Last Trump

            Neiman! What the heck, man? Who gets hit by cars THREE times in their lifetime! “Go play in traffic” is just an expression, man! You’re parents didn’t mean it! Let me guess. You’re nickname isn’t “Lucky”?! Seriously dude, stay off the streets. Some people are like lightning rods and get struck multiple times. You seem to attract heavy, metallic objects in motion! Do you have trouble finding friends willing to go for walks with you? You know, JUST IN CASE! Sheesh! I believe a dog walking service to make extra cash is out of the question. 🙂 And almost a dozen automobile accidents!! WTH!? What are you man, Chinese! OK. Never accept a ride from Neiman. Got it! Unless Im absolutely desperate and have a helmet. Ever considered a career as a crash test dummy!

            All kidding aside, that is remarkable. You’re very lucky (blessed) to be alive! God bless!

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            You need more insurance

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Neiman, you should listen to Mike. His words might come across harsh but he’s the only one here telling you the truth you so desperately need to hear.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        Is there ANYTHING you say that isn’t nuts?

  • BeWhoYouAre

    “A homosexual activist organization whose co-founder was recently jailed
    for sex abuse charges has launched an aggressive campaign to convert
    Christians to the same-sex ‘marriage’ cause.”

    Here’s how to write that same sentence without slanting it so obviously:

    “A human rights organization whose co-founder was recently jailed for sex abuse charges has launched a campaign to promote same-sex marriage.”

    See? Shorter, to the point, and doesn’t lead the reader.

  • Chrissy Vee

    I am saying goodbye to the comment world… it’s more than a distraction, it is becoming an addiction! I have read enough HOMOSEXUAL, ATHEIST, POLITICAL, ISIS…etc. news for enough fuel for what I should really be doing… praying and studying the Word.
    I find debating with atheists and Christian haters so unbelievably useless and frustrating. It brings out a side of me I don’t particularly like (even though the carnal side of me enjoys it immensely :P)… and I can not stand to see Christians fighting with each other.
    I know getting the truth out there is necessary so I am not knocking anyone and am totally behind all Truth seekers and speakers. It’s just, I truly believe time is running out and I need to act on that belief.
    It’s been fun here, but it’s kind of exhausting!
    God bless you all, @Neiman:disqus , @disqus_vfC64a7z9w:disqus @disqus_QJXng2BAN8:disqus @disqus_GLH5yIIEtR:disqus @demmigreene:disqus and all other Christian commenters who I have seen and supported since my short time here. Keep fighting the good fight. See you all in heaven some day. Peace and Love in Christ ♥

    • Demmi Greene

      God bless you, dear sister. And may we see you and our Lord there, sooner than later. Maranatha.

    • Phipps Mike

      “it is becoming an addiction!”
      got that right…lol we all like voicing our opinions when we are passionate in our beliefs. Take care.

      • Chrissy Vee

        🙂 ♥

    • Frank

      God bless and keep you. I hope to see you in heaven when that time comes as well. Your feelings on debating with atheists and Christian haters is why I currently post how I post and respond to certain post responses but not others. It takes out that useless feeling. But I also have a few decades of online debating experience behind me and so hopefully more wisdom what not to respond to and how not to respond. And I am listening to the Holy Spirit the best He has given me. God says plant and water and let Him cause it to grow, basically don’t get razzed and frazzled but trust Him to do the work and don’t try and do His work by stressing out when He has not opened their eyes and ears. Thanks for all the support. may the Lord God bless you richly.

      • Demmi Greene

        Amen.

        ”Every joint supplies”,…..Ephesians 4:16

        1 Corinthians 3:…8/ ”Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.”

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      Ehhh… they always come back. The hooks are in ya!

      • Chrissy Vee

        I am sure I will be back too. Happy Thanksgiving to you. 🙂

        • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

          God bless hon

    • The Last Trump

      Some of the “discussions” can surely wear on you, can’t they! As there are a lot of people who come to these sites to be indignant and do battle. And yet there is comfort among friends as well when we see those familiar “faces” standing shoulder to shoulder with us in our defense of the gospel. I hope to see your familiar posts again in the future. Just take care to comment with who you choose and avoid taking “the bait”! You can waste a lot of time and energy on the wrong people. But you might just be a blessing to others!

      The Internet is truly a wonder of the modern world. These comment boards are a great resource for all of us, when used correctly. They allow us to share knowledge and experiences globally. I have personally been blessed by other Christians on these sites who imparted knowledge to me and supplied links to great resources to further my own learning and assist me in helping my own family and friends. There are so many great resources online. Sites like these allow us to share these resources with one another to strengthen our faith and build each other up. Too many Christians struggle today in defending their faith and in sharing the gospel with others because of the relentless attacks of the truly uneducated. Christians need to get informed and speak out in boldness about the miraculous wonder we have in our possession, the Holy Bible. Instead of feeling outdated and unscientific. Nothing could be further from the truth!

      Don’t worry about the haters. Their own negative comments reveal to all what they’re about. Not very attractive. Let them continue to troll “our” sites and just keep quoting scriptures to them! We’ll force them to read that Bible one way or another! 😉 Troll our sites, will they! Sadly, for some of them this might actually be the closest they ever come to the gospel. We need to “kill” them with kindness and positivity! Christianity is supposed to be attractive. And if scripture written by the Holy Spirit can’t convince them, our own words certainly won’t.

      So hang in there, sister! Take a much needed break if the negativity around here has got you feeling down. And hopefully we’ll see you back soon.
      How’s tomorrow? 😉

      • Chrissy Vee

        😀 God bless you TLT! ♥ You are definitely another of my favorites to read. I believe and appreciate everything in your comment. When I come back, I hope to be spiritually and mentally prepared for whatever comes my way. I will look out for all of you, and I am sure I will not have to look far. You are a blessing. Thank you for your encouragement and words of wisdom. Happy Thanksgiving! 🙂

  • MC

    “The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%—4%)”

    “A study by Abel et al. of 377 non incarcerated, non-incest-related pedophiles, whose legal situations had been resolved and who were surveyed using an anonymous self-report questionnaire, found that heterosexual pedophiles on average reported abusing 19.8 children and committing 23.2 acts, whereas homosexual pedophiles had abused 150.2 children and committed 281.7 acts.”

    Abel GG, Becker JV, Mittelman M, Cunningham-Rathner J, Rouleau JL, Murphy WD. Self-reported sex crimes of nonincarcerated paraphiliacs. J Interpers Violence . 1987; 2: 3— 25.

    “This article will present data gathered by the authors through structured clinical interviews of 561 paraphiliacs regarding demographic characteristics, frequency and variety of deviant sexual acts, and number and characteristics of victims. Results show that nonincarcerated sex offenders (1) are well educated and socioeconomically diverse; (2) report an average number of crimes and victims that is substantially higher than that represented in the current literature; and (3) sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is five times greater than the molestation of young girls. The relevance of these findings is discussed.”

    “Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of 34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of 52 acts. Bisexual offenders have on average abused 27.3 children and committed more than 120 acts. A study by Abel et al.”

    Murray JB. Psychological profile of pedophiles and child molesters. J Psychol . 2000; 134: 211— 224.

    Cohen LJ, Galynker II. Clinical features of pedophilia and implications for treatment. J Psychiatr Pract . 2002; 8: 276— 289.

    “This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, ***just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation***to children”.

    Blanchard R, Barbaree HE, Bogaert AF, et al. Fraternal birth order and sexual orientation in pedophiles. Arch Sex Behav . 2000; 29: 463— 478.

    “A study by Blanchard et al. evaluated the intelligence of 679 pedophilic subjects and found that the mean intelligence rating of bisexual and homosexual pedophiles was significantly lower than heterosexual offenders (either pedophile or teleiophile). The main factor for this difference in intellectual functioning was a higher percentage of subjects with borderline and full cognitive impairment in the bisexual and homosexual populations”.

    Blanchard R, Watson MS, Choy A, et al. Pedophiles: mental retardation, maternal age, and sexual orientation. Arch Sex Behav . 1999; 28: 111— 127.

    “Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.”

    “Individuals who engage in homosexual pedophilia were more likely to have been abused than individuals who engage in heterosexual pedophilia.”

    “In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.”

    “The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)

    In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., “Adolescent Sex Offenders—Vermont, 1984” Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)

    In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, “Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,” Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)

    Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)

    From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts. While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.”

    A study of 518 sexually-tinged mass murders in the U.S. from 1966 to 1983 determined that 350 (68%) of the victims were killed by those who practiced homosexuality and that 19 (44%) of the 43 murderers were bisexuals or homosexuals.

    “Drs Freund and Heasman (9) of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases they had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles.”

    “Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said (10) that, from his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and “40% to 45%” of child molesters have had “significant homosexual experiences.”

    Dr. C. H. McGaghy (11) estimated that “homosexual offenders probably constitute about half of molesters who work with children.” Other studies are similar:

    – Of the approximately 100 child molesters in 1991 at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third bisexual and a third homosexual in orientation. (12)

    – A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35 (22%) were homosexual. (13)

    – Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada’s Kingston Sexual Behaviour Clinic from 1978-1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality. (14)

    – Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1985, 31 (60%) were homosexual. (15)

    – In England for 1973, 802 persons (8 females) were convicted of indecent assault on a male, and 3,006 (6 of them female) were convicted of indecent assault on a female (i.e., 21% were homosexual). 88% of male and about 70% of female victims were under age sixteen.”

    “In France, 129 convicted gays (21)(average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man). Abel et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each.”

    “About a third of the reports of molestation by the populace have involved homosexuality. Likewise, between a fifth and a third of those who have been caught and/or convicted practiced homosexuality. Finally, a fifth to a third of surveyed gays admitted to child molestation. All-in-all, a rather consistent story.”

    “If 2% of the population is responsible for 20% to 40% of something as socially and personally troubling as child molestation, something must be desperately wrong with that 2%. Not every homosexual is a child molester. But enough gays do molest children so that the risk of a homosexual molesting a child is 10 to 20 times greater than that of a heterosexual.”

    “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality. For the gay community to imply that boy-love is not homosexual love is ridiculous.”” – National Lesbian & Gay Journalist’s Association

    • Phipps Mike

      “The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%”

      so up to 60% are NOT pedophiles. Those 60% shouldnt be oppressed or persecuted.

      “Bisexual offenders have on average abused 27.3 children and committed more than 120 acts.”

      that’s because pedophiles are not Bi-sexuals, they are feeding on the innocence, NOT the sexuality. Pedophiles (classic) HAVE NO sexual preference for that reason.

      • Demmi Greene

        These aberrant plethora of pathologies are the very reason that the Church must be on guard while it is trying to extend salvation to the homosexual who is ”truly seeking God”. Any ”AD CAMPAIGN” to try and infiltrate the Church and influence it to deny the authority of scripture, is exposing a doctrine of devils. This is the anti-Christ spirit the Lord spoke of to us. We are bound to serve Christ not man’s view of ‘right or wrong’. They will never prevail against Christ or his Church.

        ” We ought to obey God rather than men.”

        • Phipps Mike

          while I understand the first part of your comment. The last line is saying that we shouldnt have ANY laws made that are not in the Bible. That would remove ALL safety laws. Think of how many would be injured, maimed or killed from accidents if safety laws were not in place.

          • Demmi Greene

            The last line is saying that we should have ANY laws made that are not
            in the Bible. That is quite incorrect.

            This article is speaking of an issue regarding/within the Church. This is exalting a form of sexual idolatry as acceptable in the Church. This is heresy.

          • Phipps Mike

            ok, my apologies, I thought you were speaking generally instead of just on the articles subject. I always notice lines that appear as blanket statements.

          • Demmi Greene

            No need for apologies,…forgiveness is always bestowed for the asking.

            Aka, its company policy 🙂

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            If you read the books of leviticus and deuteronomy, I think you will find such laws in there, e.g., building railings around the roofs of houses so, when hanging out on the upper floor outside, you didn’t fall off.

            Obviously you can’t account for technology, but the principles apply.

          • Phipps Mike

            yea, I am referring to all safety laws made AFTER the Bible was complete and all laws aside from safety laws that dont overlap with the ten commandments. But she clarified anyway by saying she was talking about JUST what the article was about. Good enough for me.

  • MC

    This study is the first published assessment of the effect of anoreceptive intercourse (ARI) on anal sphincter tone and function. Forty anoreceptive (AR) male homosexuals were compared with 18 age matched non-anoreceptive (non-AR) heterosexual males. Subjects were questioned about ARI, defaecation and faecal incontinence. Anal resting pressure, maximum voluntary squeeze pressure, anal mucosal electrosensitivity, perineal descent and rectal sensation were measured in all subjects. Fourteen of the AR subjects but only one of the non-AR subjects had symptoms of frequent anal incontinence (P < 0.05). There was a significant reduction in both maximum anal resting pressure (P < 0.01) and anal mucosal electrosensitivity (P < 0.05) and a significant difference in the anal resting pressure profile (P = 0.02) in the AR subjects compared with the non-AR subjects. There was a significant reduction in maximum squeeze pressure in AR subjects with anal incontinence compared with either AR subjects without anal incontinence (P < 0.01) or non-AR subjects (P < 0.01). There were no significant differences in stoll consistency, frequency of defaecation, perineal descent or rectal sensation between the groups. ARI is associated with reduced resting pressure in the anal canal and an increased risk of anal incontinence. The risk of incontinence is greatest amongst AR subjects with reduced maximum squeeze pressure."

    "Male homosexuality is associated with an increase in anorectal disease’, which is mainly a result of either sexually transmitted infection or trauma.We have also noted a greater tendency to perianal soiling amongst male homosexual patients seen for treatment of a variety of anorectal conditions. This could not be attributed to the presenting complaint and we wondered if it was a direct consequence of the repeated anal dilatation which occurs during anoreceptive intercourse(ARI). The aim of this study was to determine, in a group of males who gave a history of regular ARI but were free of anorectal disease, whether there were differences in bowel habit or anal continence compared with non-anoreceptive age-matched males. We went on to compare anal and rectal sensation, and anal sphincter function between the groups. Informed written consent was obtained from all the subjects involved in thestudy."

    “Continence There was a significant(chi-squared=4.2,P<0.05) increase in the prevalence of incontinence to either flatus,liquid or solid stool or urgency requiring immediate defaecation to avoid incontinence in AR subjects(14/40)compared with non-AR subjects(1/18). There was no significant difference in bowel habit or stool consistency between AR and non-AR subjects.—

    Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine

    "Many Gay men today are unaware they are at risk for serious stomach cramps and diarrhea caused by a microscopic bug called Shigella, the cause of another sometimes sexually transmitted disease. When this bug is present, the disease can easily be spread from one person to another through rimming (oral-anal contact) and from oral contact with contaminated skin, including skin in the groin area, the testicles, and the penis. Increased numbers of people infected with Shigella are currently being reported locally among homosexually active men. People with HIV who are immuno-suppressed (those with T4/CD4 cell counts below 200) are more likely to have serious complications from infections with Shigella."

    "A very small amount of Shigella can cause infection, resulting in serious stomach cramps, fever, sometimes bloody diarrhea, and sometimes nausea and vomiting. Symptoms can occur 4-7 days after contact and may last up to a week. In San Francisco, about three out of four infected men surveyed had performed fellatio (oral-genital contact) the week before they became ill.

    Locally, many Gay and Bisexual men with shigellosis are surprised when they learn that sexual behaviors can put them at risk of contracting diarrheal illnesses such as Shigella. This is not earth-shattering news, nor is Shigella the only gastrointestinal infection that MSM are more likely to get. Other bugs commonly acquired through sex that can cause stomach pain and diarrhea are Giardia, Amebiasis, and Cryptosporidium, three kinds of intestinal parasites."

    "The end result is that the fragility of the anus and rectum, along with the immunosuppressive effect of ejaculate, make anal-genital intercourse a most efficient manner of transmitting HIV and other infections. The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:

    Anal Cancer

    Chlamydia trachomatis

    Cryptosporidium

    Giardia lamblia

    Herpes simplex virus

    Human immunodeficiency virus

    Human papilloma virus

    Isospora belli

    Microsporidia

    Gonorrhea

    Viral hepatitis types B & C

    Syphilis"

    RECTAL SEX Surveys indicate that about 90% of gays have engaged in rectal intercourse, and about two-thirds do it regularly. In a 6-month long study of daily sexual diaries,3 gays averaged 110 sex partners and 68 rectal encounters a year.

    Rectal sex is dangerous. During rectal intercourse the rectum becomes a mixing bowl for 1) saliva and its germs and/or an artificial lubricant, 2) the recipient's own feces, 3) whatever germs, infections or substances the penis has on it, and 4) the seminal fluid of the inserter. Since sperm readily penetrate the rectal wall (which is only one cell thick) causing immunologic damage, and tearing or bruising of the anal wall is very common during anal/penile sex, these substances gain almost direct access to the blood stream. Unlike heterosexual intercourse (in which sperm cannot penetrate the multilayered vagina and no feces are present),7 rectal intercourse is probably the most sexually efficient way to spread hepatitis B, HIV syphilis and a host of other blood-borne diseases.

    Tearing or ripping of the anal wall is especially likely with "fisting," where the hand and arm is inserted into the rectum. It is also common when "toys" are employed (homosexual lingo for objects which are inserted into the rectum–bottles, carrots, even gerbils8). The risk of contamination and/or having to wear a colostomy bag from such "sport" is very real. Fisting was apparently so rare in Kinsey's time that he didn't think to talk about it. By 1977, well over a third of gays admitted to doing it. The rectum was not designed to accommodate the fist, and those who do so can find themselves consigned to diapers for life.

    FECAL SEX About 80% of gays (see Table) admit to licking and/or inserting their tongues into the anus of partners and thus ingesting medically significant amounts of feces. Those who eat or wallow in it are probably at even greater risk. In the diary study,5 70% of the gays had engaged in this activity–half regularly over 6 months. Result? –the "annual incidence of hepatitis A in…homosexual men was 22 percent, whereas no heterosexual men acquired hepatitis A." In 1992,26 it was noted that the proportion of London gays engaging in oral/anal sex had not declined since 1984.

    While the body has defenses against fecal germs, exposure to the fecal discharge of dozens of strangers each year is extremely unhealthy. Ingestion of human waste is the major route of contracting hepatitis A and the enteric parasites collectively known as the Gay Bowel Syndrome. Consumption of feces has also been implicated in the transmission of typhoid fever,9 herpes, and cancer.27About 10% of gays have eaten or played with [e.g., enemas, wallowing in feces]. The San Francisco Department of Public Health saw 75,000 patients per year, of whom 70 to 80 per cent are homosexual men….An average of 10 per cent of all patients and asymptomatic contacts reported…because of positive fecal samples or cultures for amoeba, giardia, and shigella infections were employed as food handlers in public establishments; almost 5 per cent of those with hepatitis A were similarly employed."10 In 1976, a rare airborne scarlet fever broke out among gays and just missed sweeping through San Francisco.10 The U.S. Centers for Disease Control reported that 29% of the hepatitis A cases in Denver, 66% in New York, 50% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal and 26% in Melbourne in the first six months of 1991 were among gays.11 A 1982 study "suggested that some transmission from the homosexual group to the general population may have occurred."12

    URINE SEX About 10% of Kinsey's gays reported having engaged in "golden showers" [drinking or being splashed with urine]. In the largest survey of gays ever conducted,13 23% admitted to urine-sex. In the largest random survey of gays,6 29% reported urine-sex. In a San Francisco study of 655 gays,14 only 24% claimed to have been monogamous in the past year. Of these monogamous gays, 5% drank urine, 7% practiced "fisting," 33% ingested feces via anal/oral contact, 53% swallowed semen, and 59% received semen in their rectum during the previous month.

    • Phipps Mike

      thats a LOT of reading. I think most people already know that the anus is set to expel things, not take them in and as a result, many injurys occur. I somehow think all of your homework here is NOT for the right purposes. I dont believe you CARE about the gays and rather you are posting this to prove your point about damages that occur to gays as a result of their lifestyle.

  • MC

    Medical Consequences of Homosexual Sex

    Death and disease accompany promiscuous and unsanitary sexual activity. 70%25 to 78%x,13 of gays reported having had a sexually transmitted disease. The proportion with intestinal parasites (worms, flukes, amoeba) ranged from 25%18 to 39%19 to 59%.20 As of 1992, 83% of U.S. AIDS in whites had occurred in gays.21 The Seattle sexual diary study3? reported that gays had, on a yearly average:

    fellated 108 men and swallowed semen from 48;

    exchanged saliva with 96;

    experienced 68 penile penetrations of the anus; and

    ingested fecal material from 19.

    No wonder 10% came down with hepatitis B and 7% contracted hepatitis A during the 6-month study.

    Obituaries numbering 6,516 from 16 U.S. homosexual journals over the past 12 years were compared to a large sample of obituaries from regular newspapers.23 The obituaries from the regular newspapers were similar to U.S. averages for longevity; the medium age of death of married men was 75, and 80% of them died old (age 65 or older). For unmarried or divorced men the median age of death was 57, and 32% of them died old. Married women averaged age 79 at death; 85% died old. Unmarried and divorced women averaged age 71, and 60% of them died old.

    The median age of death for homosexuals, however, was virtually the same nationwide–and, overall, less than 2% survived to old age. If AIDS was the cause of death, the median age was 39. For the 829 gays who died of something other than AIDS, the median age of death was 42, and 9% died old. The 163 lesbians had a median age of death of 44, and 20% died old.

    Two and eight-tenths percent (2.8%) of gays died violently. They were 116 times more apt to be murdered; 24 times more apt to commit suicide; and had a traffic-accident death-rate 18 times the rate of comparably-aged white males. Heart attacks, cancer and liver failure were exceptionally common. Twenty percent of lesbians died of murder, suicide, or accident–a rate 487 times higher than that of white females aged 25-44. The age distribution of samples of homosexuals in the scientific literature from 1989 to 1992 suggests a similarly shortened life-span.

    • Phipps Mike

      “They were 116 times more apt to be murdered” so much for the claim that Gays are not picked on, eh?
      If they are dying off like that on their own, why do people feel a need to stop them from doing what they are doing? The haters are getting what they want.

  • elizabeth

    They are all a bunch of pigs no matter the age or sex! Marriage is between Man and Woman , anything else should be a sex crime. I will never accept homosexuals , no matter what the government wants. It’s my belief .

    • Phipps Mike

      I saw your picture under “Indoctrination” in the dictionary.

      • The Last Trump

        OK. I’m confused. You saw the picture of a MALE wrestler named “Elizabeth” under the word “indoctrination” in the dictionary. Yep. Still confused. Very confused. (Who’s writing these dictionaries!…)

        • Phipps Mike

          lol Trump. No, I am not referring to the avatar pic.

          The part of her statement: ” Marriage is between Man and Woman , anything else should be a sex crime” is not only a extremist view, but it wreaks of “this is SUPPOSED to be THIS way and that is SUPPOSED to be this way” etc…

          Basically she is so “in the box”, she makes me want to toss my cookies.
          What is SUPPOSED to be in this life and what IS, are two totally different things.
          Black and white thinking comes from Indoctrination whether its from religion or overzealous authoritarian parents.
          She should just say the prayer of serenity and GET OVER IT.

  • MC

    1 in 5 Gay/Bi Men Have HIV, Nearly Half Don’t Know

    63% of the HIV-positive men age 18-29 were unaware of their infection.

    44% of the men who tested positive for HIV had been unaware of their infection.

    Let’s go further:

    Six out of 10 young people with HIV don’t know they have it

    “By risk group, nearly three-quarters (72%) of new HIV infections among youths occur through male-to-male sexual contact, while 20% are infected through heterosexual contact. ➽ ***Relatively few are infected through injection drug use.”***⬅︎

    “Gay and bisexual males are much more likely to have multiple sex partners, to inject illegal drugs, to use alcohol or drugs before sex, and also are much less likely to use condoms, according to the survey results.”

    “The CDC says the percentage of young people tested for HIV is far lower than other age groups. Just 13% of high school students overall have been tested for HIV, and only 22% of sexually active high school students nationwide have been tested, according to the CDC’s study.

    That means infected youths are unknowingly transmitting HIV to others.”

    Let’s look at more facts:

    About 87% of young males who have HIV got it from male-to-male sex, 6% from heterosexual sex, 2% from injection drug use and about 5% from a combination of male-to-male sex and injection drug use.

    Youths who are sexually active can reduce their risk of HIV infection by choosing to stop having sex. They can also limit their number of sex partners, not have sex with an older partner who may be more likely to already have HIV, and use a condom every time.

    Most new HIV infections in youths (about 70%) occur in gay and bisexual males; more than half (54%) are African-Americans.

    Sexually active young gay and bisexual males have a higher risk for getting HIV if they are having sex with older or multiple partners, using drugs or alcohol, or not using condoms during every sexual encounter.

    Sexually active young gay and bisexual males should get an HIV test at least every year. Those at greater risk may benefit from testing every three to six months.

    More facts:

    ➽“If HIV continues to spread at current rates, half of college-aged gay men will have the infection by the age of 50.”⬅︎

    “Jonathan Mermin, the director of the CDC’s division of HIV/AIDS prevention, pointedly notes that “Gay and bisexual men remain at the epicenter of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. But HIV is not always at the top of the list of priorities for LGBT organizations.”

    ➽“The Kaiser Health Foundation recently described the problem of HIV in the city of Washington, where the HRC and many other big LGBT groups are headquartered, as “as epidemic on par with some developing nations.””⬅︎

    “Peter Staley, a gay activist who founded the Treatment Action Group, a HIV/AIDS activist organization, writes, “The recent rise of HIV/AIDS … is huge and it’s not talked about because ‘Gay Inc.’ says nothing about it.”

    Staley estimates that Gay Inc. currently spends less than 1% of its budget on “fighting “HIV. He is calling on Gay Inc. to, instead, allocate 10% of its budget.”

    “Elizabeth Flock reports for US News, July 3, 2013, that in December 2012, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released startling new data showing a 22% increase in HIV infections in young gay men between 2008 and 2010, although new HIV infections had remained steady in the general public. Gay men represented two-thirds of new infections. Nor are HIV drugs keeping them alive: Nearly 6,000 gay men were dying of AIDS every year.”

    ➽”Folks, with 70 percent of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi (sexual), we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease, we have to own that and face up to that.”——— Matt Foreman, Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force⬅︎

    “Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States.

    Among all gay and bisexual men, black/African American gay and bisexual men bear a disproportionate burden of HIV.

    From 2008 to 2010, HIV infections among young black/African American gay and bisexual men increased 20%.”

    “Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.”

    “Among all gay and bisexual men, white gay and bisexual men accounted for 11,200 (38%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among white gay and bisexual men (3,300; 29%) occurred in those aged 25 to 34.”

    “Among all gay and bisexual men, black/African American gay and bisexual men accounted for 10,600 (36%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among black/African American gay and bisexual men (4,800; 45%) occurred in those aged 13 to 24. From 2008 to 2010 new infections increased 20% among young black/African American gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24.”

    “Despite three decades of prevention efforts, HIV infection rates among gay men remain stubbornly high. Gay men represent only a few percent of the total US population, yet they account for over half of those infected with HIV. Previous research has established that gay men use condoms inconsistently and that gay men relationships use condoms less often than their single counterparts”

    “Hoff and colleagues surveyed 566 gay male couples in the San Francisco Bay Area and found that 99 percent had sexual agreements. Specifically, 45 percent had monogamous agreements, 47 percent had open agreements and 8 percent of couples had discrepant agreements where partners reported a different understanding of whether they have an open or monogamous agreement.”

  • sanz31

    i think theres going to be a mass conversion in mississippi, imagine the members of the group voluntarily coming up to Christians to hear the gospel… hahahaha.. i would love to be there… 🙂

    • Gary

      Homosexuals never repent of their sins and believe the gospel.

      • sanz31

        come on gary… you know better than that… 🙂

  • Jeremy Moore

    Leviticus 20:13

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    1 Corinthians 6:9

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
    Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
    effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    Jude 1:7

    7 Even
    as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving
    themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set
    forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    There are the verses that is against the Lord about having homosexuality lifestyle in this world. In Genesis 2 and Matthew 19, it says that the marriage should be between man and a woman.

    Genesis 2:24

    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    Matthew 19:4-5

    4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

    5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

    If you read all of the verses, where in the bible does it say it is okay for people to commit same-sex lifestyle and the marriage likewise? Nothing could be found that is acceptable practice for this lifestyle – it is sinful, and will not inherit the kingdom of God. It is your decision, people to live the proper marriage lifestyle, or do commit this sinful lifestyle.

  • Victoria DiAgnello

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7; 21-23
    Jesus makes that call, so you’d better get right with God and His Word.
    On the SIN of homosexuality:
    “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” Romans 1; 26-32
    Status of debate: Over Homosexuality: SIN True Christian behavior: condemn
    DONE.

  • TheHellscaptain .

    God never said “Hate the gays”. Love them, teach them that what they are doing is wrong. That is what jesus wants. That is the way of the lord. Hating them and telling them god will never love them is not the way to go. Jesus accepted the harlot into his house, and the tax collector, and taught them that what they were doing is wrong. The way that they will be saved is if we tell them, “We will accept you, god will accept you, and jesus will accept you, and I will accept you.” Through that they will earn that what they are doing is wrong. They will learn it is a sin. God does not hate the sinner; Each one of us is a sinner. If God hated the sinner he would hate each and every one of us. To say you have never sinned is a lie; Lying is a sin. And if God hates the sinner, God hates you for lying. But since God only abhors sin, he hates homosexuality, not the homosexual himself or herself. And we need to speak against all sins, the sins of the church, the sins of the familiy, and the personal sins each one of us commits. Sin is in us; Its why Jesus died on the cross. He paid a debt he did not owe, because we owed a debt we could pay.