Beer Enthusiast’s New ‘Calvinist’ Film Brews Concern for Blending in ‘Young, Restless & Reformed’ Speakers

Publisher’s Note: The focus of this article is not about anything that any of the speakers directly promoted in the film, or its theological message in general, but highlights the concerns over the filmmaker, his selection of some of the speakers included—whose public lifestyles have raised questions over the merger of Calvinistic teaching with worldliness—and the influence such men can have as a result of their inclusion. It also discusses the provocative ways in which it was marketed. Please read the article in its entirety before commenting.

A craft beer enthusiast whose barroom pubcast and popular “Reformed Pub” Facebook group has attracted many who identify as Calvinist has released a film on Reformed theology, revisiting its past and discussing the present resurgence among the modern generation. The film features interviews with a number of well-known and respected Calvinistic preachers and teachers, blended together under one doctrinal umbrella—without separation—with others considered by some to be “Young, Restless and Reformed” because of their publicly-personified love for alcohol, tattoos, cigars, horror films and other perceived “Christian liberties.”

The documentary has drawn praise from some who find the film to be an accurate and high-quality representation of Reformed theology, and concern from others who believe it can be dangerous to young and undiscerning Christians to juxtapose traditional holiness-preaching Calvinists with those who assimilate with the world and its culture as “[y]ou cannot have Puritan soteriology without Puritan sanctification.”

“Calvinist is a film about a powerful and interesting movement God has orchestrated over last generation that finds its roots in a rich and fascinating history,” producer Les Lanphere of the “Reformed Pubcast” wrote in a summary of the film, first posted on Kickstarter last year. “An unassuming youth have been overtaken by an old, and often misunderstood theology. They’ve become obsessed with reading difficult theology books and trying to convince their friends of some seemingly offensive things.”

“I want to find out who these people are, and interview the greatest minds in the Calvinist world to find out what they believe,” it states. “Finally, I want to ask what we’ve done right, where we’ve gone wrong, and what’s next for this movement.”

The documentary features interviews with preachers such as R.C. Sproul, Paul Washer, Steve Lawson and Joel Beeke, as well as Joe Thorn, Jeff Durbin, rapper Shai Linne and podcaster Summer White, among others. It explains the history of Calvinism, and its five points known as TULIP, and also discusses what is known as New Calvinism—both the positives and negatives of the Young, Restless and Reformed (YRR) movement.

“God said, ‘I will take out your heart of stone and I will put in its place a heart of flesh.’ He changes that God-hating, sin-loving heart into a heart with new and righteous affections,” Washer explains during the film. “And when that person, whose heart has been changed—when their eyes are opened up to Jesus through the preaching of the gospel and the work of the Holy Spirit, they run to Him because He becomes at that moment the end of all their affections. He is their desire.”

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Washer is most known for his 2002 “Shocking Youth Message,” in which he strongly warned attendees about those who “profess to know Christ” but live “just as worldly as the world.”

“They think, well, I’m the same as most in my youth group. I watch things I shouldn’t watch on television and laugh about the very things that God hates. I wear clothing that is sensual. I talk like the world. I walk like the world. I love the music of the world. I love so much that’s in the world, but bless God, I am a Christian,” he mourned.

“My heart is breaking because you know as well as I do,” Washer said. “They do all this [religious] stuff, but in their heart, they’re as wicked as wicked can be. There is no difference. There is no light. Everything that the world does, they do, and it’s appropriate; it’s okay. My friend, that’s not Christianity. They’re not in danger of losing their reward. They’re in danger of Hell. They know not God.”

Therefore, some find it a concerning mix to place those who live worldly lifestyles in the same film as those who would preach against those same lifestyles, blending them together under the same banner of Calvinism.

THE MAKING OF ‘CALVINIST’ AND ITS CONTRASTING SPEAKERS

Lanphere with Thorn and Fowler

“We love theology, craft beer and pop-culture, but above all, we want to see God glorified through Jesus’ name being lifted high,” reads the description of the “Reformed Pub” Facebook page, co-founded by “Calvinist” producer Les Lanphere. The group currently has over 19,000 members.

In July 2016, in an interview with GospelThread, Lanphere explained that many members are young people “who are theologically minded and Reformed in their theology—and at least okay with seeing pictures of beer, if not passionate about craft beer and cigars.”

However, in a 2015 blog post entitled “Why I Left ‘The Reformed Pubcast’ – Grow Up, Settle Down, Keep Reforming,” Adam Powers, pastor of SonRise Community Church in New Port Richey, Florida, outlined that he discontinued listening to Lanphere’s pubcast due to its “emphasis on beer” and the “immature coarse joking.”

“The self-absorption and flaunting of my Christian liberty I got caught up with during my mid-20’s is by and large what I see plaguing the members of the ‘Reformed Pubcast.’ For this reason I have left the group,” he wrote.

Lanphere has acknowledged that some may not like the angle of his group and podcast. In one episode of the “Reformed Pubcast” in which he spoke about his work on “Calvinist,” he explained, “We’re beer and theology, so who even knows if famous-ish Reformed people would want to associate themselves with something like that.”

However, Lanphere has explained during interviews that with his film, he simply wanted viewers to be in awe of the doctrines of grace.

“I feel like we’ve moved into the place where we’re trying to sift through the nitty-gritty of the doctrines, which is good,” he told GospelThread. “But I want us to still be in awe.”

“Calvinism should change the way you live your life; it should change your family,” he said. “The thing I’m most passionate about is helping people realize that the five points of Calvinism should ultimately lead to Reformed worship.”

While “Calvinist” is Lanphere’s first production, he has assisted with the visual effects for a number of other films, including “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo,” “Transformers: Dark of the Moon” and “Smurfs,” according to the Internet Movie Data Base (IMDB).

Last year, Lanphere published a number of behind-the-scenes videos of his travels across the country to film for the documentary, which included trips to Philadelphia, Portland, Chicago and San Diego. The lighthearted clips showed Lanphere trying out local cuisine, visiting a beer brewing company and spending time with friends. Some videos included secular rock songs such as “Punks in a Disco Bar” by the band Beach Slang, and “Hysteria” by Def Leppard.

“Had a really great time in the land of tacos and craft beer,” Lanphere wrote for the description of one of the behind-the-scenes compilations.

Thorn

One clip Lanphere posted on his personal YouTube page after recording for “Calvinist” features slow-motion footage of Joe Thorn, pastor of Redeemer Fellowship in St. Charles, Illinois, lighting a cigar and blowing smoke. It begins with a close-up of Thorn’s 1689 tattoo on his hand, signifying the 1689 London Baptist Confession. The video generated several comments of concern.

“Hey, we’re making a movie to explain Calvinism. So here’s 24 sec. of footage from a bearded hipster smoking a cigar. *groan*,” one commenter wrote.

“This is shameful. Calvinism is not a free pass to flaunt your liberty. Please, in the name of Christ’s holy name and the reputation of His bride, reconsider this,” another stated.

Thorn recently posted a video himself entitled “Pastors in Cars Smoking Cigars,” in which he recorded himself and “pastoral assistant” Jimmy Fowler smoking and talking about picking up bourbon for a party. He posted another similar video days later.

In March, Thorn, who notes on his website that he named his dog “Lucyfur,” posted a link to his appearance on the podcast “Popcorn Theology,” which combines theology with movie releases. During the broadcast, Thorn talked about his love for horror movies, which he explained he watches every week. He outlined to listeners that one of his favorite horror films is “Frailty,” a movie about a man who commits murders in the name of God out of his belief that an angel told him that demons were posing as humans.

“We had a blast talking about horror movies in general, but most of our time was spent on the film Frailty. It’s a favorite horror movie of mine and was new to the hosts,” he posted on his “ministry” site, including a photograph of a man with an axe.

According to Screenit.com, “Frailty” contains profanity that “consists of at least 6 uses of the ‘f’ word (4 of which are muffled), along with a handful of other expletives and colorful phrases,” including several instances where the Lord’s name is taken in vain.

Thorn, who appears in the “Calvinist” film, speaks in the documentary at one point about Calvinists being hungry for God and desiring “more than just lessons on morality.”

“God is waking His people up. God is bringing a renewed interest into the church where we are hungry for more than just lessons on morality,” he states. “They’re not interested in three-point sermons that give them tips on how to have a better life this week. Calvinism gives us this push to see God at the center of everything.”

Also featured in the film is Jeff Durbin, whose Apologia Church generated controversy last year after it noted on its ReformCon website that supporters could participate in a beer flight at a local pub to raise funds for Apologia’s church plant in Hawaii. One of the members of the Arizona-based congregation also offered his tattoo services to members to raise funds for his part in the church plant.

In August, Durbin again raised concern after he launched a late-night comedy show that uses satire and strong language to make a “mockery of sin” in an effort to rival secular entertainment and engage the culture with the gospel.

“Apologia Studios is passionate about making Christian entertainment not s*ck. That’s right, we just said s*ck. This is not your typical Christian show, and it’s not your typical late-night show,” a press release for the program read.

The first two broadcasts featured jokes that some found to be too coarse for Christianity.

“[T]rust me, this one was easy to find the butt of the joke,” Durbin jested in mocking a sodomy how-to article from Vogue, later adding that years ago, teens were rather taught about driving and “how not to rear-end someone.”

In speaking about Trump’s use of Twitter, Durbin joked, “When all his enemies want to flip him the bird, he uses the very app that has a bird as its mascot giving it right back to them.” A photo was also placed on the screen showing an angry Trump with a bird/Twitter logo over his hand as if similar to the middle finger.

Summer White, a member of Durbin’s Apologia Church who runs a theology podcast called “Sheologians”—a program that has received both a significant following and some criticism, also appears in the film. White is the daughter of apologist James White, who likewise was interviewed for the documentary.

Her husband, Thad Pinch, had been at the center of the social media video of the tattoo fundraiser at Apologia Studios, and soon re-entered rehab for drug addiction. Shortly thereafter, White changed back to her maiden name and shared a statement from Apologia explaining that she had been counseled to divorce.

During a podcast entitled “Double, Double Toil and Causing Trouble,” White, who now goes by Summer Jaeger after recently marrying another man, answered a question in regard to whether or not Christians should be into Harry Potter. The book and film series is about a young orphan boy who learns that he has the wizard powers of his late parents and is sent to attend the “Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry” to learn more about sorcery.

“I personally enjoyed the [Harry Potter] books, [but] I can understand why there are people that have problems with them,” she explained. “But my encouragement overall would be to be consistent. If you are saying, ‘No magic. No magic in my books. All magic is outlawed,’ well, I would say, take another look at Scripture. You’re missing something here.”

“And I would also say, consider the movies that you are watching that have magical elements that you have deemed innocent, which means there are times when, I think, magic in movies and books can be innocent and not sinful…”

Last year, in expressing the positives and negatives about the outlet BuzzFeed, White noted on her blog that one of the positives is “they exploit our love for Harry Potter.”

Several others in “Calvinist” also view Harry Potter favorably, including filmmaker Lanphere, who posted a photo to social media on Friday of his son dressing up as Harry Potter, complete with the lightning bolt “scar” on his forehead.

“This kid loves Pokemon cards and Harry Potter. What year is it?” he wrote.

In a recent episode, White and her cohost Joy Temby talked about their views on scary movies and shared their favorite horror movies, including “The Orphanage,” ”Pan’s Labyrinth” and “The Sixth Sense”—the latter film, according to IMDB, being about a “boy who communicates with spirits that don’t know they’re dead.”

“’The Orphanage’ was really good and similarly ‘Pan’s Lanbrynth,’” White said. “I think both of those are great movies that I just loved.”

“I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a Christian watching a fun horror movie,” she stated. “The concept of ‘I put nothing [wicked] before my eyes,’ a lot of this is going to come down to liberty, and it’s going to come down to our hearts before God. Somebody who isn’t steeped in Scripture isn’t going to do this well.”

White outlined she draws the line at nudity, sexual acts and over-the-top violence, and opined that those who are pretending to murder someone on screen are not committing sin because they are not actually killing anyone.

Lanphere is a friend of Thorn, Durbin and White, and appeared on Durbin’s late-night show and White’s podcast earlier this month to promote his film. He explained to Durbin that the “Reformed Pubcast” is currently paused.

However, some of the Reformed leaders featured in “Calvinist” have expressed opposite viewpoints in their ministry and have publicly preached about how Christians should have new and holy desires as being new creatures in Christ.

“If you love the world, the love of the father is not in you. Love for the world and love for the Father are mutually exclusive,” Kevin DeYoung, who appears in “Calvinist,” declared in a sermon entitled “Do Not Love the World.” “There’s a lot of people who think that being a Christian means you give God like 55 percent, [and the] world 45 percent—but I still give God 55 percent!”

“[The Bible] says over and over in 1 John, if you do not live holy, you do not know Him,” he preached, warning those present about their television and movie choices, as well as other life choices. “If the love of the world is in us, the love of the Father is not.”

Quoting from Calvin, he noted that Christians are supposed to be “striving according to the capacity of human infirmity to conform their life in conformity to the will of God.”

“Words like ‘striving’ have become bad words in some circles, even seen as anti-gospel words. [But] Calvin did not think so,” De Young noted.

Lanphere with Paul Washer

Paul Washer has been known for similar bold exhortations. Lanphere says he became a Calvinist due to Washer’s preaching.

“I want you to know that when you take a look at American Christianity, it is based more upon a godless culture than it is upon the Word of God,” Washer proclaimed in the “Shocking Youth Message.” “And so many people are deceived, and so many youth are deceived, and so many adults are deceived into believing that, because they prayed a prayer one time in their life, they’re going to Heaven. And then, when they look around at others who profess to know Christ and see those people also just as worldly as the world, and they compare themselves by themselves, nothing troubles their heart.”

“One of the greatest evidences that you have truly been born again is that God will not let you talk as your flesh might want to talk. God will not let you dress as the sensual world and the sensual church allows you to dress. God will not allow you to act like the world, smell like the world, speak like the world, listen to the things that the world listens to. God will make a difference in your life!” Washer declared.

“Admittedly, personal discipline is not a popular subject today. In our society, any insistence upon self-discipline is largely resisted, even among many Christians. Legalism, they cry, defending their rights of Christian liberty. These free-spirited believers maintain that discipline restricts their freedom in Christ, binding them in a spiritual straightjacket,” Steve Lawson, who also was interviewed for “Calvinist,” wrote in an article for R.C. Sproul’s Ligonier Ministries.

“But many of these believers have so abused their freedom in Christ that they have virtually no spiritual discipline,” he continued. “They have swung the pendulum so drastically toward Christian liberty that their spiritual lives are out of balance. Such neglect of self-discipline prolongs their spiritual immaturity, leaving them with little self-control to resist temptation and sin.”

RAVE REVIEWS AND RESERVATIONS: FEEDBACK ABOUT THE FILM

The “Calvinist” film has generated a number of rave reviews as many have applauded the production as being a good representation of Calvinist doctrine.

“One of the best (if not the best) Christian movies I have ever seen,” one viewer wrote.

“Excellent documentary! It covers all the important facets in the New Calvinist movement! This is now the go-to movie for everyone who wants to know Reformed theology. I’m so glad that I’ve supported it,” another wrote.

“The film is well researched, graphically appealing, and accurately documents the modern day resurgence of historic biblical theology,” wrote Josh Buice, pastor of Prays Mill Baptist Church, who was interviewed for the film. “I was grateful that he pointed out the areas that deserve praise as well as some of the deficiencies among the [New Calvinism] movement—such as an unhealthy fascination with celebrity icons and personalities that often have a greater voice in the ears of local church members than their local pastors.”

However, others expressed concern that while the film was of good quality and content, the movie seemingly was being promoted by portraying Calvinism as being hip and cool.

“The video was excellent in production values and content (theologically and historically). My only quibble is that the marketing … needs to change its misguided appeal to potential buyers that Calvinism is ‘hip’ for today,” one viewer stated.

Trailers for the film advertised “Calvinist” as being the story of the “Young, Reformed and Restless,” and included an audio clip of “Do they call you pastor here or dude?” A promotional photo for the documentary also featured a sunglassed Calvin, appearing hip for the times.

Paul Washer once said in an online interview with Tim Challies, who is also featured in the movie, that he is concerned about “the attempt of many young reformers to appear contemporary, hip, cool or even avant-garde.”

“This flirtatious relationship with culture is dangerous, and it makes it very difficult for the world to take the minister or his message seriously,” he stated.

Challies said that he liked the movie, writing, “It is very obviously positive in tone, rejoicing in God’s work in bringing about this revival of sound doctrine. The whole thing is done to high standards and never the least bit amateurish in its creation or production. It’s both interesting and inspiring. For all of those reasons I recommend it and think you’ll find it both interesting and beneficial.”

Gilley

However, Gary Gilley, pastor of Southern View Chapel in Springfield, Illinois, told Christian News Network that while he found all indications of the documentary to be a “good representation of traditional Calvinism,” and that if “someone wants to understand true Calvinism and those who represent it today, it sounds like it would be quite a good video,” he also has concerns about some featured in the film.

“[T]he New Calvinists that [Lanphere] apparently showcased were not Sovereign Grace Ministries or so forth, but … the Joe Thorns and [others]—that have embraced these different, more of what I would call a worldly lifestyle, a liberated lifestyle of drinking and smoking and everybody has tattoos and piercings and so forth, that seems to be identifying who they are,” Gilley said.

Gilley penned a two-part article in 2015 outlining the positives and negatives of New Calvinism.

“I think that the [historical] Calvinists, if they were alive, they would roll over in their grave,” Kent Brandenburg, pastor of Bethel Baptist Church of El Sobrante, California, also opined. “[The lifestyle choices of these men] would not have been acceptable to Calvin or any of the Reformers. It just seems like it’s pandering to the youth culture, where they can be able to live like they want—the best of both worlds.”

Brandenburg wrote a two-part article in 2009 defending Dr. Peter Masters, the pastor of Metropolitan Tabernacle in London—once led by the “Puritan Prince of Preachers” Charles Spurgeon—who had been criticized for a piece he had written entitled “The Merger of Calvinism With Worldliness.”

“The new Calvinists constantly extol the Puritans, but they do not want to worship or live as they did,” Masters wrote. “Truly proclaimed, the sovereignty of God must include consecration, reverence, sincere obedience to his will, and separation from the world.”

“You cannot have Puritan soteriology without Puritan sanctification,” he continued. “You should not entice people to Calvinistic (or any) preaching by using worldly bait. We hope that young people in this movement will grasp the implications of the doctrines better than their teachers, and come away from the compromises. But there is a looming disaster in promoting this new form of Calvinism.”

Brandenburg said that he shared the same concerns as Masters.

“The old Calvinists like Spurgeon, Gill, Owen, and Turretin, among many others had much to say against worldliness. And they did in a day when there was so much less to be attracted by in the world. You can’t appreciate their soteriology with appreciating their separation from the world,” he wrote. “When you read those old Calvinists, you see that their sanctification arose out of their soteriology.”

“The new Calvinism,” however, “lacks the distinction between the sacred and the profane. Indeed, they are jumbled together in a way that you can’t tell where one stops and the other ends,” Brandenburg lamented.

“The new Calvinists talk about worldliness being only a matter of the heart. Even if it were just in one’s heart, it will come out in the life and Masters is right to point out that this is how it is seen,” he opined. “The new Calvinists talk about their favorite lager, the latest blockbuster and the music of their most beloved rock group. This displays the world in their hearts.”

Gilley stated that juxtaposing such men with solemn, mature men of God, such as Paul Washer, Steve Lawson and R.C. Sproul, could confuse young Christians watching the film about the importance of living a life of holiness and sanctification.

“I think it’s an odd mix. I would really be interested in seeing what a Paul Washer or an R.C. Sproul would say about such a thing,” Gilley remarked. “I think it is introducing to weaker, less discerning believers, especially younger believers, a group of people that I personally certainly would not want them to follow.”

Brandenburg

Brandenburg said that such lifestyles actually contradict Calvinism and the teaching of the Puritans, as instead of the doctrines of grace, they have seemingly “turned the grace of God into lasciviousness.”

Sola Scriptura has always been that “you’re a new creature,” he explained. “You’re different from the world. You’re not conformed to the world. You deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. As it says in Titus, we abstain from fleshly lusts that war against the soul.”

Brandenburg said that separation from the mannerisms and customs of the world is a central teaching throughout Scripture.

“Why did Israel fall? Israel fell because of syncretism,” he outlined. “The apostasy of Israel came down to a lack of separation.”

And while some may say that worldliness is a tertiary or secondary issue, Brandenburg noted that details matter to God.

“God cares about every little detail, like when Uzzah touches that ark and God kills him … that would seem like maybe a non-essential,” he stated. “[W]hat about strange fire? God killed Nadab and Abihu for strange fire. It was basically messing up the recipe for altar incense. You can see that basically God’s standards is to do everything that He says.”

“Calvinist” recently aired at the Push Film Festival in Bristol, Tennessee and is also available for group showings.

“I will buy this to share to all my church,” one supporter of the film wrote. “I am from Mexico City and I think that this documentary should be share to all the churches in Mexico.”

However, Gilley said that because of the concerns with some of the guests in the documentary, even though they only speak about Calvinism instructively with no concerning content, he would pass on showing the film at his church. He explained that he would not want his youth to look into some of the men featured and begin to follow or imitate them.

“I think it’s a real confusing thing (mixing both holiness and YRR Calvinists). … It does bother me. I would not want to show this documentary to our young people. I wouldn’t even want to show it to them even with guidance from myself or my youth leader or whatever because I am concerned that they would not have the maturity to distinguish that,” Gilley stated.

“I would be very bothered that some of these young people would say, “Well, … we can just go out there and live as close to the system of the world as possible and still be good Christians as long as we have our theology on straight.”

Paul Washer was unavailable for comment. Steve Lawson’s office did not respond by press time. Producer Les Lanphere did not return a request for an interview.


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  • Trilemma

    “Be a sinner and sin boldly.” – Martin Luther

    • HpO

      “Martin Luther”? He wasn’t a John Calvinist nor did he spawn Calvinism or this New Calvinism thing here. You were thinking of “Luther”-ans, perhaps? Or the New Lutherans? But if you’ve got a similar nasty quote from Calvin, let’s hear it.

      • Trilemma

        According to Calvinism, God chose who would go to Heaven and who would go to Hell before creation. God’s choice was unconditional; it had nothing to do with what a person did or believed. A person destined for Heaven could do nothing to change what God had ordained for him. A person destined for Hell could do nothing to change what God had ordained for him. If you’re one of the elect that God chose for Heaven, then go ahead, be a sinner and sin boldly because nothing you can do will change what God has already decided for you. And if you’re not one of the elect, then God has chosen for you to go to Hell and nothing, not even a life of worship to God and obedience of God’s commands, will get you into Heaven and you might as well be a sinner and sin boldly too.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “According to Calvinism, God chose who would go to Heaven and who would go to Hell before creation.”

          sort of but not technically correct ……………. God being omniscient knew who would and who would not follow Him ….. God does not see things as men see them ….. God is not tied to a temporal view of history as a series of moments as we do …… God sees it all simultaneously ……….. from the beginning to the end of time and anything outside of that paradigm ….. it is not possible for Him to not know who will and who will not be saved ….. He has chosen those who will follow Him and what He has told mankind ….. about Himself and about what His creation and desire is ………

          FYI …. “Calvinism” is just a term to embody a certain theological understanding ….. what it really boils down to is BIBLICAL christianity ……… and what God has revealed to His people ………

          • Eldrida Urika

            You are wrong Amos. God did not choose the people before and there is no way to change it. That’s not what Jesus said at all and he didn’t die for all of us just so a few would be saved. He would not have had to die for our sins if he had already decided and there was no ability to change it. That’s ridiculous. He told us how to be saved and anyone who believes will be saved. and IT IS NOT DECIDED ALREADY.
            If you are sin free by repenting and trying not to sin, do you really believe that God will send them to hell for not sinning. You have a very strange belief that is not supported by the New Testament and Jesus.
            I don’t believe that your faith is correct according to the scriptures of the gospel.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God did not choose the people before and there is no way to change it.”

            EPHESIANS
            1:4 According as HE HATH CHOSEN US IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
            1:5 Having PREDESTINATED us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
            1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
            1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
            1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
            1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
            1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
            1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
            1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

            PREDESTINATED …… BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD ….. clear cut and UNAMBIGUOUS ………………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Unpopular – The Movie
            youtube;com/watch?v=97k4z6Qe7JM

            change the ; to a . ………

            “That’s not what Jesus said at all and he didn’t die for all of us just so a few would be saved.”

            He did not die for all of us ….. He died for the Elect ………. ALL OF THE ELECT …. and “all” does not mean the whole world ……. FAIL ………

            Sermon on the mount ….. Christ speaking ………

            Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW THERE BE that find it.

        • HpO

          Heads up. No Calvinist says with Martin Luther, “Be a sinner and sin boldly.” Your blah3x proves John Calvin didn’t say it either. Case closed. Next time try to be on-topic, yeah?

          • Trilemma

            There’s no way you can prove that John Calvin didn’t say, “Be a sinner and sin boldly,” except Calvin would have said it in French whereas Luther said it in German. These Calvinists may not have said that with words but they did with their actions. These Calvinists liked drinking craft beer. Martin Luther liked to brew and drink craft beer. Neither of them had a problem with that theologically.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “These Calvinists liked drinking craft beer.”

            LOL ….. so if it was Bud Light it would be okay …….. or what ……… FYI ….. GOD created the means for fermentation …….. and it was pretty much impossible for men to NOT have their liquids ferment as a matter of course ………. and Christ created wine in Cana at the wedding in John …… drinking wine and drunkeness …. not the samething ………

          • Trilemma

            I have to agree with your comment here, Amos. I said craft beer because the article said they liked drinking craft beer. Would it still be apostasy if they promoted drinking Bud Light instead? I don’t know. Some preachers teach that drinking any alcohol is a sin. Back in the first century, alcohol helped kill germs in water. So, everyone was probably walking around at some level of intoxication back then. I agree that drinking a little wine and drunkenness are not the same thing but some people seem to think they are.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            agree ……..

          • HpO

            Calvin Klein is an American, Silly, not French. Luthor’s from comic books.

          • Trilemma

            Can’t argue with that. 🙂

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      if you are going be just a sinner … may as well ………

  • Robin Egg

    “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the
    world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the
    world is the enemy of God…” (James 4:4).

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      sure …. not sure how that applies …… but sure ………

      • Robin Egg

        Hello Brother Amos….I was referencing where he stated in the article about mixing the sacred with the profane. Worldliness vs sanctification. I had recently watched a you tube video of Rev Wilkerson that related to basically the same subject matter and just thought it would be an added reference point. Blessings…

  • Tim Whelly

    With all due respect Calvin did not die for my sin, therefore, I do not belong to him.

    • HpO

      Calvin? No one says, Calvin. Just New Calvinism. Which also “did not die for [people’s] sin”. Wachatalkinboat?

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      confusion ……….

  • HpO

    I get it, I get it – twice – “Calvinism gives us this push to see God at the center of EVERYTHING … tattoos and piercings … alcohol … cigars, horror films … ‘Christian liberties’ … strong language … jokes … too coarse for Christianity … fascination with celebrity icons and personalities … drug addiction … divorce.” As in “EVERYTHING” in the creational order – blah blah blah – per Jean Calvin, Abraham Kuyper, Herman Dooyeweerd – blah blah blah.

    What I don’t get, what I don’t get – twice also – is why sister Summer “White … draws the line at nudity, sexual acts”?! WHAT?! No P*rn but “S*ck” is Okey-Dokey?!

    Too bad you didn’t get brothers “Les Lanphere … Joe Thorn … Jeff Durbin” to back her up on that claim, sister Heather Clark.

    I guess you have to live with these “contemporary, hip, cool … avant-garde … Young, Restless and Reformed … New Calvinis[ts]” for 2 years like I have, to know that she’s lying through her teeth or she’s just not speaking for her partners in crime against Our New Humanity In Christ. Knowing you didn’t get to them for a confirmation.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      ??????????????? …………….

      • HpO

        √√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√√

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ………….

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    This film was predestined…

    • HpO

      Know why this comment of yours is neither here nor there? I’ll show you, BuckeyePhysicist.

      By commenting, “This film [Calvinist] was PREDESTINED”, are you mocking Calvinism? Or are you prophesying that this doc flick too was indeed “PREDESTINED” in the same way that:

      (1) “In this city [Jerusalem] there were gathered together against [God’s] holy servant Jesus, whom [He] anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever [His] hand and [His] purpose PREDESTINED to occur” (Acts 4:27-28)?

      (2) “God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also PREDESTINED to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He PREDESTINED, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified” (Romans 8:28-30)?

      (3) “God’s wisdom in a mystery [is a] the hidden wisdom which God PREDESTINED before the ages to our glory; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory” (1 Corinthians 2:7-8)?

      (4) “[God] chose us in [Jesus Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He PREDESTINED us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will … In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been PREDESTINED according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:4-5, 10-11)?

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      of course it was …………

  • Bob Wright

    Enjoying God’s gifts in moderation is biblical and there is nothing worldly about that. I think a glass of ale and a pipe would have been a normal part of an evening’s meal and enjoyment in the time of the Puritans. I am also thankful for the fact there is an interest of young people in the reformed faith and I am happy that someone has documented it. What does the personal life of someone like Summer Jaeger- who comments several times in the course of the film- have anything to do with this discussion? I find this piece mendacious and frankly appalling.

    • HpO

      Summer’s comment and life’s experiences very relevant. Around here someone’s words in an article tend to be compared to her/his life’s testimonial. Got problem with dat?

      • Bob Wright

        Sorry, anonymous person- it seemed to me that gossiping about someone with a minimal presence in the film’s personal life would seem to be crossing the line into the sinful behavior that we are being warned about in the article.

        • HpO

          “Gossipping”?

          “White … was interviewed for the documentary”! “White … shared a statement from Apologia”! “During a podcast entitled ‘Double, Double Toil and Causing Trouble,’ White … answered a question”! “White noted on her blog”! “White and her cohost Joy Temby talked about their views”! “White said”! “White outlined”!

          Assuming English is your native or adopted language, look up “gossip”, brother Bob Wright:

          gos·sip … noun … casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are NOT CONFIRMED as being true.

          gos·sip … verb … engage in gossip.

          Now look up “research” to compare.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Prv 25:23 The north wind driveth away rain: so doth an angry countenance a backbiting tongue.

            Backbiting | Define Backbiting at Dictionary com
            Backbiting definition, to attack the character or reputation of (a person who is not present).

          • HpO

            Learn from the best, you mean? Like these here from you-know-who?

            (1) “we should be warning Jimmy [Carter] ……… yeah [Carter … might not have Christ either.]”

            (2) “[Rodney Howard-Browne … Paula White-Cain … Jack Graham, Ronnie Floyd and Robert Jeffress; Mark Burns … Johnnie Moore … Richard Land … Tony Perkins … and Gary Bauer] WOW ….. some of the greatest false teachers of the …… well i was going to say gospel ….. but i am not even sure any of them know or could articulate it …………..”

            (3) Given “things [Brian Houston] has said from the pulpit and HOW they conduct what passes for ‘church’ …. he is in fact MORE faulty in his theology …. THAN YOU”

            (4) “church ….. playing AC/DC in the sanctuary …. have bad fruit ….. and the axe will be taken to that root in that church”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            WOW …. that guy is really good ………

  • Tamra Lee

    When my husband went to seminary, we were shocked at the excuses given by the Reformed for their “freedoms” regarding smoking, drinking, enjoyment of books about witchcraft, horror movies, coloring their hair blue, and about anything they wanted to do, so long as they kept within the Westminster and Heidelberg Confessions. These “theo-heads” (as were dubbed) weren’t just the young university students; many of the professors were this way also. They told anyone who objected that Luther and Calvin believed that alcohol consumption – even getting a little drunk from it – was enjoying God’s creation! These people usually denied the 6 day (young earth) Creation, the world-wide flood, and a number of basic Bible truths. Disciples of the Lord Jesus remember His admonition to pick up the cross and follow Him are of a different breed. We remember the Lord’s warnings not to get drunk on wine, which leads to excess; but be filled with the Spirit, speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in our hearts to the Lord; giving thanks always… (Eph 5:18-20). You cannot do both. If you are filled with alcohol, you aren’t filled with God’s Spirit, you are filled with the devil’s.

    • HpO

      There are 3 types of “Reformed” born-again Christians: (1) those who’re fired up for God & Jesus yet who have vices on the side – the likes of Charles H. Spurgeon and, no comparison, yours truly; (2) those who’re fired up for hell and so have vices on the side – the likes of, well, let’s just say, I’ve had my 2 years of hell with them; and (3) those who’re fired up for God & Jesus and so who have no such vices on the side – the likes of the opposition in this article and Heather Clark named them one by one. Which of the three being a partner in crime against Our New Humanity in Christ Jesus has become a stumbling block to born-again Christian individuals and assemblies? Answer: (2).

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        ahhhhhhhhh ……….. yeah ………

  • libertynorth

    What does God say? “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.” I see no place for worldliness in that statement.

  • If Brandenburg and others going to come out against YRRs for smoking and drinking, their claims are contradicted in part by the examples of a great number of Calvinist leaders, notably including Spurgeon and Edwards. Now that doesn’t make it right to smoke or drink, but if you’re going to make a claim that beard-wearing, pipe-smoking, beer-and-wine drinking Calvinist forefathers would be “spinning in their graves” if they knew those who claimed their theology wore beards, smoked tobacco, and drank beer and wine, they’ve got just a bit of explainin’ to do.

    What if, within limitations of wisdom and health, God does indeed give us the freedom to do certain things? What if we’re supposed to be exuberant in how we live our lives for Christ, instead of going through life looking like we were weaned on a pickle?

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “like we were weaned on a pickle”

      ROTFLM donkey O

      • Original was comment on Calvin Coolidge, I believe, but I’m glad you enjoyed it.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          thats right … i had forgotten that …. thanks for the memory recharge ……..

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          recently present to me …….

          The Arminian Prayer – C.H. Spurgeon

          Lord, I thank you I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists. Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to you of myself. I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have–then they might all have been saved. Lord, I know You do not make us willing, if we are not willing ourselves. You give grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do. There are many who will go to Hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Spirit given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not Your grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal–still I turned the point! I made use of what was given to me, and others did not–that is the difference between me and them.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

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  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Warning, Fighting for the Faith can be dangerous to your health. Listening/reading with caution is strongly urged while doing any of the following activities:

    1. Operating heavy deadly equipment.
    2. Playing “Farmville” or any time wasting brain numbing activity, for sudden awakening at the sound of a particularly stupid isogetical statement could cause neck strain.
    3. Drinking liquids.
    4. Drinking hot liquids.
    5. Having liquids too near by.
    6. Not having any liquids near by.

    The following medical conditions have been known to occur while listening/reading Fighting for the Faith:

    1. Cranial Keyboard Imbedment Syndrome.
    2. Sinu-Nasal Liquid Spuement Disorder.
    3. Steering Wheel Pounding Clenched Fist Drain.
    4. Continual Gaping Dry Mouthitosis.
    5. Frustratrive Disbelief Brain Explosion.

    Please take proper precautions. Drinking straws, padding and duct tape are strongly recomended. Don’t forget your fuzzy slippers and duct tape. – Pastor Chris Rosebrough

    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED …………….

  • mr goody two shoes

    Lots of funny videos on Calvinists and Synergists on Lutheran satire channel . Web search it watch some and have a laugh . that pesky pastor even did one on us Wels Lutherans. That was kinda funny.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      i love Pastor Fienne …. (might have spelled that wrong) ……….

  • Let it be known or remembered by all: Calvin fought the Libertines in Geneva. He had no tolerance for the childish antics the YRR engage in. Yes, the Bible rejects man made rules such as the American pietistic “holiness-code” (no drinking, no smoking, no dancing, no movies, no anything) but also condemns lawlessness. Those who create man-made standards are just as lawless as the Libertiines. The Bible does not condemn beer, it condemns drunkenness. And just as love demands we not destroy our brethren with our liberty, it also anathematizes those that preach a Gospel of faith+works or any Gospel contrary to the Gospel of salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God alone. That anathema would apply to most churches today. So which is worse: the false gospels preached in most churches or alcohol?

    • They revel in their fleshly pursuits and flaunt it, making it very clear they indulge in it with gusto – so much so that they are defined by their so-called freedoms and have violated the Scripture that admonishes against worldly living. They are wolves….not sheep.

    • Trilemma

      James says it’s works + faith.

      You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. – James 2:24 ESV

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        works GROW OUT of faith …… or not at all ………..

      • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

        “ESV” is unacceptable. Use the Christian Bible, AV1611.

        • Trilemma

          The ESV is the Christian Bible too. Both the ESV and AV1611 are English translations of the Christian Bible. Just because a human king authorized one doesn’t make it better.

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            ESV is not Christian, it is an Alexandrian Cathlic perversion of the Bible. BTW, why the sodomite flag in your picture? Are you homofaggot or a lesbidian?

          • Trilemma

            What makes you think the translators of the AV1611 would not have used the Alexandrian texts if they had been available?

            That’s my test pattern avatar. I’ve been told that a true Christian would recognize the top part as the Genesis rainbow. I am neither a homofaggot nor a lesbidian as those are words you made up for your own edification.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      The Arminian Prayer – C.H. Spurgeon

      Lord, I thank you I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists. Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to you of myself. I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have–then they might all have been saved. Lord, I know You do not make us willing, if we are not willing ourselves. You give grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do. There are many who will go to Hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Spirit given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not Your grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal–still I turned the point! I made use of what was given to me, and others did not–that is the difference between me and them.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    bought it …. watched it …. liked it …… two thumbs up …. eight out of ten stars …..