‘God Is a Forgiving God’: Alabama Pastor’s Wife Defends Work at Abortion Facility in Bible Belt

ChatmansMONTGOMERY, Ala. — A pastor’s wife who works as an exit counselor at an abortion facility in the Bible Belt is defending her employment at the location, stating that she believes that women have a right to an abortion and that “God is a forgiving God.”

“I feel that we have all sinned. None of us are perfect. No sin is greater than any sin,” Callie Chatman, wife of Louis Chatman of New Elam Baptist Church in Montgomery, told the Christian Post this weekend following an initial report by Christian News Network. “That’s her right to make that decision because that’s her body.”

As previously reported, David Day, Sr., a Mission Service Corps (MSC) missionary with the North American Mission Board (NAMB), told Christian News Network on Friday that Chatman has worked at Reproductive Health Services for years, along with her son Jerome, who is employed as a security guard at the location. He said that he first had been informed of her employment two to three years ago when he began preaching the gospel to women outside the facility.

“I was stunned that there is actually a pastor’s wife that works there,” Day said.

But then, he met Chatman and spoke with her.

“I’ve spoken to her one-on-one, and she tells me that women know what they’re doing—they know what [abortion] is—but she says that there’s no sin greater [than God’s forgiveness], that we’re not to judge and that God forgives,” he outlined. “It’s always the same thing: We’re not to judge and God forgives. There’s none of us without sin, is what she says.”

But Day believes that Chatman’s logic is faulty in believing that one should commit sin just because you can ask for forgiveness later.

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“I love my wife. I don’t go cheat on her because she’ll forgive me,” he said.

Day said that he has advised Chatman that she should be turning women away from abortion, not simply consoling them after-the-fact.

“We told her, ‘You need to tell these women that God’s word says that you shall not kill innocent children, [and that] He hates the hands that shed innocent blood,’” he explained. “[Tell them,] ‘You shouldn’t do it.’”

Day said that he believes Chatman’s husband, a pastor, drove her to work this past Wednesday. He captured her on camera being dropped off at the abortion facility in a Mercedes Benz and later posted it to Facebook to share his concern.

“Sadly, this is a Montgomery pastor dropping off his wife who works at the abortuary,” he wrote. “Pray for her soul and the sheep of this pastor.”

On Sunday, Chatman confirmed to reporters that she indeed works at Reproductive Health Services, making similar statements to what she had told Day. The facility additionally noted that the pastor’s wife “comes in one day a week when we have procedures (abortions).”

“I’m not there to judge anybody,” she said. “I’m there to let them know that God is a forgiving God and that He will forgive them of their sin, just like He forgives us every day for sin.”

Chatman said that those who take issue with her employment at the facility shouldn’t speak against her work until they themselves become perfect.

“You know what? The activists need to get their lives together,” she stated. “When they become sin-free, then you call me back.”

Chatman also advised that her husband has “no objections” to her work.

The pastor’s wife was featured in a 2014 Esquire article, which centered on Willie Parker, a professing Christian abortionist in Mississippi.

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  • Gary

    I would not mind her point of view so much if she did not try to tie herself to Christ. Jesus has nothing to do with this woman, or her husband, or their fake “church”. They are all a bunch of infidels pretending to be Christians. They will reap what they have sown, and are sowing, which is, judgment from God.

  • I can understand the forgiveness part, Jesus forgave me of the sin of witchcraft. However, when Jesus forgave, He also said “Go and SIN NO MORE.” Which in plain English means:
    “I forgive you, but, DON’T DO IT AGAIN!”

    • Frank

      Let’s not forget that He also says those who are His do no sin anymore meaning continue to choose sin. Yes, right now we never truly get there as in we have moments we fall and He is ready to forgive. This is totally different than what this lady is promoting. Which is also spoken against in Romans.

    • G Smith


    • Simple_n_sweet

      THANK YOU!!!! I had need to remind some persons of this the other day, because apparently no one remember the art where it was said go and sin no more… because apparently if you continue in your sin no one is supposed to say anything to you… So I guess if I’m about to murder someone Mrs. Chatman would simply tell me to make sure i ask for forgiveness when i’m done… yea she sounds rather smart…

    • Carla Anne Kight

      Hi Regina, I have a friend who practices witchcraft but also attends Catholic mass since she has had 2 miscarriages within the last year. I’ve witnessed & shared Christ with her several times. She really listened when I began to talk about the Holy Spirit. I do pray for her as the lord leads me. Do you have any thing you may want to share with me?

      • Brian Millar

        Attend mass some time Carla, it’s packed full of witnessing and sharing of Christ. The fact that she’s showing up there indicates that she’s still reaching out, but the church “all churches” these days are not prepared to handle what it takes to help free someone that chooses to dabble in the occult. It’s a door that has opened and it takes a great deal to close it, it takes a church of greater authority to do so. She needs to seek absolution through the sacrament of confession and she needs wise counsel in the process, which means she needs a spiritual adviser, one that has ample experience dealing with what she is. When you are dabbling in the occult you are submitting yourself to enslavement, and those chains can be broken, but she has to actively seek it, not just go through the motions expecting it to be done for her. Take my yolk, for it is light, as Jesus stated type of thing.

      • I remember when I was still practicing witchcraft a college professor tried to lead me back to the Lord. However, it wasn’t until years later that I came back to the Lord. I wish I had gotten saved sooner-when my professor had tried to wake me up, but I just wasn’t ready yet. Plant the seed, be a friend, and leave the time table to God. Only He will know when a person is ready for His word to blossom in them. God bless you for being there for her!

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Thank you for caring for her soul. God bless you and keep you.

      • i’ll be praying with you Carla, for your friend… God is good… a little info, don’t give up giving the gospel.. my only friend that i knew in my life that truly knew the Lord (which i found out later on), took nearly 10 years, but in 2007, I have found the Lord and did not realize that when he talked to me about God it was more than that. He just kept mentioning God to me every chance he got and I listened but nothing sunk in.. After I came to the Lord, God himself for one year straight was reminding me of all those times… This is why I am thanking and praising the Lord because I was so into astrology, tarot cards, and so on.. Had no idea they were against God.. It was when I started reading Leviticus that made me feel ashamed as these were things God commanded us not to do.. However, God is good and He will forgive and I threw them all out.. That is a testimony and I tell people about it.. Hard to make them listen, but you know all we can do is keep praying.. Praying for you as you have a hard task ahead and I know God will hear your prayers and the many other people who is praying for her… God Bless.

  • John

    First of all I certainly am against killing of the innocent. The timing of the abortion (how far along the pregnancy is) is important to me. I certainly am against late term abortions. This article however gives me an opportunity to challenge fundamentalist who believe the Bible is a perfect book. The article states that “God’s word says that you shall not kill innocent children, [and that] He hates the hands that shed innocent blood” yet why did God command Samuel to have King Saul settle the accounts with the Amalekites for attacking the Israelites when they came from Egypt? King Saul was instructed from God to completely destroy the Amelekite nation – men, women, children, babies, cattle, camels and donkeys. This was to settle accounts for God for something that happened approximately 420 years earlier by men. Also consider Psalm 137 where we read a message to the Babylonians, “Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks! This is just something for those of you who consider yourselves to be fundamentalist to consider.

    • gatekeeper96740

      The Amalekites worshiped Baal/Moloch and gave children as burnt offerings.

      Abortion on demand is the Baal worship of modern times in Oregon they take the “Medical Waste” and burn it as green fuel for their buildings.

      • John

        Please read 1 Samuel 15:1-3. The scripture states the reason for the genocide was to settle accounts for opposing Israel when they came from Egypt. These were innocent people since they were not alive 420 years earlier and what about the innocent children and babies? What about Psalm 137?

        • gatekeeper96740

          Well One great reason why God ordered the genocide was because they practiced Baalism with their God’s of Peor, Astheroth, Berith, and Molech. God called Baalism detestable and such an abomination. (Judges 2:19) It consisted of sacrificing innocent children (2 Judges 11-14). King Ahab and Ahaz who sacrificed their son by burning them into the fire

          (2 Kings 16:3, 2 Kings 21:6)
          The Bible speaks clearly on this:“And they built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech” (Jeremiah 32:35).

          “They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons as offering to Baal” (Jeremiah 19:5).

          ‘You burn with lust among the oaks and under every spreading tree; you sacrifice your children in the ravines and under the overhanging crags’ (Isa.57:5).

          They have set their abominations in the house which is called My
          name, to pollute it. And they have built the high places of Tophet,
          which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire ..’ (Jer.7:30-31)https://herculescummings.wordpress.com/tag/amalekites/

          • John

            You gave a good effort to apologize for the killing of the innocent but we alreading have the reason as it is clearly stated in the scripture (to settle accounts for opposing Israel when they came from Egypt). If what you are saying is true, then the scripture would have your reason and not what is written.

    • You chose a very poor tactic for “proving” that the Bible is imperfect. Even an elementary student of the Bible understands the concept of the New Covenant. Jewish Law is not consonant with Christ who came as the fulfillment of the Law.

      • John

        You are correct but that doesn’t stop fundamentalist from using the old Testament when it benefits their point of view. If you want examples that the Bible is not perfect from the New Testament I would ask you to consider the writings of Paul. He said Jesus was returning very soon (~2000 years ago), Christians should judge others, women should not teach men, women should wear a covering over the head when whorshpping to show respect for their husbands, it is better not to get married, people are born with an evil nature, claims to be an apostle but admits he was a thief to churches other than Corinth, and slaves should obey their masters and not talk back.

        • Not being a fundamentalist I can’t take a position one way or the other on that. The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church addresses this issue in its entirety and I would refer you to that, or meet me at my blog to explore further. bbcatholics dot blogspot dot com

    • And I would be happy to point out how basing the morality of the “timing” of an abortion is rank sophistry. Space does not permit that here but we may discuss this at my blog bbcatholics dot blogspot dot com.

    • 1, Why are you “against late term abortions?”
      2. Is your opposition based on objective principles or are you just uncomfortable with the practice?
      3, Do you believe there is a right to an abortion that ends when it becomes ” late term” or is this right absolute?

      • John

        I am against later term abortions because there would have been time to make the decision earlier before a human being and nervous system was developed. I am against people who oppose all forms of abortion including the morning after pill because if we try to force someone not to have an abortion, I believe we are giving a high probability that the child will live a difficult life. We are not in the shoes of a person who wants an abortion so why should we judge people on their choice when most people feel bad enough. My goal would be to use the best medical understanding of when the nervous system is developed and try to prevent abortions past this point unless the life of the mother is a concern. That would be my goal in this very difficult issue.

        • Thank you for your response. This is a difficult issue and one worthy of reasoned discussion.There are strong arguments to be made for sparing a child a difficult life by aborting it before it becomes a person.

          If I understand you, there is a time when the fetus becomes a “human being.” And you believe that coincides with the the development of the nervous system. Although there may be many ways to interpret that, one fairly unambiguous one is the onset of fetal pain which has been determined to occur around twenty weeks. May I assume that you would support legislation banning abortion after this time unless the mother’s life was at stake?

          • John

            Thank you for your respectful response. If it is around 20 weeks for the onset of fetal pain, then I would hope to see an abortion restriction several weeks before that time of pregnancy (unless the mother’s life was at stake).

          • That’s an honest position. I appreciate your taking time to explain it.

  • Sell the car!!

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      And give the proceeds to a crisis pregnancy center where it can do some good for those who choose life. (Deut. 30:19)

  • His argument is a heresy called “antinomianism.”

    Romans 6:1-3King James Version (KJV)

    6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

  • “That’s her right to make that decision because that’s her body.” The genome of a fetus is different from that of the mother and is therefore not a part of “her body.” If her assertion is true why does the mother’s body have complex mechanism in place to prevent her from forming antigens specific to the child’s foreign DNA?

  • Doug Bristow

    There is no justification for murdering babies. PERIOD.

  • TheBBP

    God is indeed forgiving. Forgiving of the repentant heart. Willfully returning to a place where you aid in the murdering of unborn children is not being repentant.

  • Kerry Hall

    Nothing we have is our own.

  • Eli Hernandez

    Of course she is wrong that no sin is greater than any other sin. That is simply not true. The Bible clearly says that there are sins that lead to death and sins that do not lead to death. The Bible clearly states that the is unforgivable sin and that if we deny God He will Deny us. We cannot be yoked unevenly with unbelievers and by unbelievers it does not mean those who simply believe by word but by the fruit of their works in their lives.

    Our commitment to Christ as his followers baptized in water and spirit is simple: walk with a clean conscience before him, repent and confess our sins and failings when we dirty our conscience and there by His name when we fail and sin. Abortion is a sin of Murder and Faithlessness. She can lie to herself but God will be her judge. I pray for her and her family that she repent and stop denying Christ for we cannot deny him and not be denied by him at the time we move on from this life. She should understand this.

    Abortion is the work of the Devil that has fooled women into sacrificing their children to the idols of moral relativism and the self! You cannt share a table with demons and with God! Repent! Aborted babies are sacrifices to Satan himself! May The God of Light lift the vail from your spiritual eyes that you may repent and return to the purity of his light and love for as you stand you are going to the second death, which is the Lake of Fire.

    • hi eli, glad I read your post… “abortion is the work of the devil that has fooled women into sacrificing their children to the idols of moral relativism and the self!”.. this is something new i learned today, thank you… “aborted babies are sacrifices to satan himself”, this is so true! God answered one of the questions i have had as to how to explain to women what abortion is… I know it is murder and like you said faithlessness, and i know it is of the devil.. but “they are children being sacrificed to the devil”… thank you.. thanking and praising God for this post… God Bless.

  • Susan Ford Keller

    This woman confuses opinions and judgments. My opinion of her is based on my feelings about what she says and does. My judgment of her is based on what the Bible teaches. Two different things. As Christians, we follow what the Bible and Jesus say. This woman has lost her way. Her desire for a paycheck clouds her vision. Do I feel superior to her? No. I feel that she needs to turn from what she is doing and get back on the path with Jesus.

  • Mike Sharp

    “That’s her right to make that decision because that’s her body.” This
    always bothers me. it’s not her body being aborted, it’s her unborn
    child’s. And by the way, you don’t have the right to your own body, try
    going to a doctor and telling him I don’t want my kidneys anymore,
    please remove them and throw them in the trash can, law says they can’t
    do that.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Indeed. The bodily autonomy argument is a farce. No one has full bodily autonomy. I cannot rape a woman based on the argument that it’s my body and I get to “choose.”

  • Wendyl

    These two fakes are nothing but murderers. Nothing Christian about them at all.

  • Reason2012

    “she believes that women have a right to an abortion”

    “Thou shalt not kill.”
    Exodus 20:13

    “and that “God is a forgiving God.”
    “I feel that we have all sinned. None of us are perfect. No sin is greater than any sin,”

    So she admits she is doing a JOB that requires forgiveness from God – that requires God to be a forgiving job. So “women have the right to willfully sin”?

    “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
    1 John 2:3-4

    “That’s her right to make that decision because that’s her body.”

    The life inside a woman is no longer her body – he or she is another human being – he or she just needs her to get through this early stage of life.

    “I’ve spoken to her one-on-one, and she tells me that women know what they’re doing—they know what [abortion] is—but she says that there’s no sin greater [than God’s forgiveness],”

    But she’s talking about open, willful sin – she’s acting like God’s love let’s a “Christian” openly mock God and openly sin because they can just ask for forgiveness. The fact that she admits she has to ask for forgiveness for what she’s doing shows she knows abortion is sin, and that she’s going to do it anyway in an open mockery of God.

    “.. that we’re not to judge and that God forgives,”

    It’s not judging if a person admits they rob people and you remind them of the consequences for robbing people. Saying “don’t judge me” is just a clever way of not having it pointed out to you how God will judge such acts.

    “There’s none of us without sin, is what she says.”

    So that means we can openly sin, knowing it’s sin, that we’ll then just ask for forgiveness later anyway? That’s not what God teaches us.

    “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
    Hebrews 10:26-27

    We must be careful that we are not deceived by the world’s “logic” about what God will do.

  • Brenda Golden

    She knows the difference between right and wrong. Murder for money, wonder how Jesus feels about her 30 pieces of silver? They are not christians and he is not a pastor. Just because they say it doesn’t make it true.

  • Mary Taylor

    These murder enablers are NOT Christians. I don’t believe it for a minute!

  • Thomas Collins Jr June

    They, sinners, try to justify anything that they can, Christ will be their Judge in the end. I wouldn’t want this on my page of life when I stood before Christ….

  • “Conspiracy to commit murder” is what this woman is doing, and her “pastor” husband is driving her there each day, so he is an accomplice as well. His son also works there, so the whole family is guilty of helping to keep that abortion clinic open and running smoothly. If you see photos of this woman, conspiring to facilitate the murder fo the unborn is not her only sin… it is obvious that the sin of extreme gluttony is also an issue, as she is what physicians would call “morbidly obese”.

    However, I really do not think we are talking about people here whose hearts have become hardened, such that they are oblivious to this sinful atrocity. It’s something else. I truly think we are talking about people here who are just plain stupid. Seriously… I think it is a problem of low intelligence. I don’t think this woman or her son or her rural backwoods “pastor” husband are intellectually capable of comprehending what they are doing.

    Sadly, it is that way throughout much of the rural South-Eastern United States, particularly in many of the stereotypically emotion-driven ethnic ghetto church communities. There’s a lot of enthusiastic chants of:
    “Can I get an AMEN? Can I get a witness?”
    and a lot of ‘Thank you JEEEEEEEsus!”
    bellowed from the pulpits… a lot of “strutting” and “style”… but not much sound theology.
    If you’ve ever been in these type of churches, you know exactly what I mean.

    If you pull those congregation members aside and ask them even the most basic
    of questions about theology, they don’t understand. And even though they claim to be
    “Christians”, about 80% of them voted Liberal Democrat in the last local, State, or Federal elections. It’s their culture.

    Statistically, abortion actually devastates the Black Community far more than any other segment of society… yet that same community tirelessly supports the election of those who are pro-abortion-rights, pro-socialism, pro-entitlement, etc… as they walk to their emotion-driven churches every Sunday.

    Ignorance is a terrible thing… and it can be a self-perpetuating multi-generational curse.
    What these communities need is a better quality of Biblical teaching… better theology… fostering a Biblical World-And-Life-View… and then everything else would fall into place within one generation.

    • Senita Jauan

      She knows EXACTLY what she is doing, she just doesnt care and wants a
      check. Money can cause one to betray their values or as we seen with
      Judas- the Lord himself. Your analogy of her intelligence and the
      black church members lack of true spiritual depth and understanding(and intelligence) was unnecessary. Baptist churches IN GENERAL lack convictions. In my experience

  • Guest

    On our own, we are not sin-free, but once we are in Christ and walk in the Spirit, we DO become sin-free, and so can this woman, but she needs to REPENT and be born again. Does she not realize she is as much a partaker in abortion as though she stuck the scissors in those babies herself?? Her lack of comprehension on spiritual issues truly astounds me. What a disheartening article to read!

  • Shirley Ujest

    I’d feel much more compassion if she was a counselor at the ENTRANCE of the facility, not the EXIT. Share this with folks regarding the sacrifice of our children on the altar of expedience, folks: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/abortion_and_baal_worship.htm — sorry, but abortion is murder. Let’s start counseling women to make their “choice” before the bedroom or back seat, and should they have an “unwanted pregnancy,” in whatever case – that they consider those who have WANTED one and can’t conceive – and work to make adoptions in this country easier.

  • like I CM

    The end is so so near…

  • Cynthia J. McCoy

    No wonder America is in so much trouble if these are the folks that are supposed to be shepherding the sheep of God. Shame on them. This is sick and I might add wrong.

  • Carol Richardson

    1 Corinthians 5:12 proclaims: What business is it of mine to judge those “outside” the church? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you. If she and her husband claim to be Christian then other Christians have a right to judge them.

  • sam m

    abomination !

  • smc

    This woman clearly doesn’t have any fear of the Lord, which is the beginning of wisdom. And not everyone who says they are Christian are truly born again. One way to know this is because they twist God’s word, deny it, and hate it with foaming contempt.

  • smc

    The Lord Jesus Christ said, we will know them by their fruit. (Matthew 7:20). Our Lord also said that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 John 3:15). And no murderer will enter the kingdom (Revelation 21:8).

  • Ashley Sykes Radke

    Again another woman deceived and in turn deceives others while twisting God’s word into her beliefs. No one should add or take away anything written in the Word of God. Satan will use anything against us, including the Bible, just like he did with Adam and Eve, and a third of the angels in heaven. 1 Peter 5:8 (KJV) “Be sober be vigilante, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour”. Be weary of FALSE preaching in the name of God.
    Matthew 7:22 (KJV) “Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day Lord Lord did we not prophesy in Your name and in your Name cast out demons and in Your name perform many miracles? and then I will declare to them I never knew you Depart from me you who practice lawlessness”.
    I pray this woman, her husband, staff, will realize this great lie and repent from this evil, and turn back to Jesus.
    Also, no one can be perfect. We can follow the Bible, pray, live for God, make the ‘right’ choices, but we are still filthy rags in God’s eyes. The only human to walk this Earth was Jesus Christ the Son of God.The only time we will be ‘sinless’ is when we are resurrected with Christ.

  • Gail Owens

    Majority of Evangelical’s here in UK are hypocrites. If they were loving people, these types of sin wouldn’t happen. Also they pretend to be pro-life, they say they are against abortion, but if a couple loses a child to still birth or miscarriage, they couldn’t care less. It’s swept under the carpet and the person’s grief is be -little-d no ministry for them, yet they have a ministry for those who have had an abortion.

  • the_npp

    Ha ha! pastor thinks he is allowed to sin because others do. Must work at the same church as Al Sharpton does!

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    She is a disgrace. She will be in for a rude awakening when she meets the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Any coward who supports abortion has the
    blood of babies on their hands.

    Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man
    shall his blood be shed:
    for in the image of God made he man.

    Numbers 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the
    land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be
    cleansed of the blood that is shed therein,but by the blood of him that shed

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    She will be in a sad state when she goes to meet the Lord Jesus.
    Any coward who supports abortion has the
    blood of babies on their hands.

    Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man
    shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

    Numbers 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein,but by the blood of him that shed it.

  • Jerod Hatch

    God’s forgiveness is only available to the repentant, broken heart.