T.D. Jakes Rebuked by Black Leader for ‘Riding Two Horses’ on ‘Gay Marriage’ in Recent Statements


A prominent black leader is calling out T.D. Jakes for his recent comments on homosexuality—including a formal statement yesterday—which indicate that while Jakes is personally opposed to “gay marriage,” he supports the government granting homosexuals the right to “marry” and believes that practicing homosexuals should attend churches that affirm their lifestyle.

“I think he’s trying to ride two horses at the same time,” Jesse Lee Peterson, a California pastor, president of the organization BOND (the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny), and leader of the BOND Leadership Academy for youth, told Christian News Network.

“He’s trying to appease … the homosexual community and trying to appease the Christian community as well,” he said. “You can’t ride two horses at the same time. You can’t serve two masters. You love one and hate the other.”


As previously reported, during an interview with the Huffington Post last Monday, Jakes was asked by a viewer if he believes that homosexuals and the black church can co-exist.

“Absolutely,” he replied.

“An obvious yes; the Church ain’t turning nobody away,” interviewer Marc Lamont Hill added. “How should the black church and the LGBT community co-exist?”

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“I think it is going to be diverse from church to church. Every church has a different opinion on the issue and every gay person is different,” Jakes replied. “And I think that to speak that the church—the black church, the white church or any kind of church you wanna call it—are all the same, is totally not true.”

Jakes said that he thinks homosexuals should find congregations that affirm their lifestyle instead of trying to change biblical churches.

“LGBT’s of different types and sorts have to find a place of worship that reflects what your views are and what you believe like anyone else,” he outlined.

“The church should have the right to have its own convictions and values; if you don’t like those convictions and values [and] you totally disagree with it, don’t try to change my house, move into your own … and find somebody who gets what you get about faith,” Jakes added.


When asked if his thinking has “evolved,” Jakes agreed that it has.

“Evolved and evolving,” he replied.

“Where are you?” Hill asked.

“I think that where I am is to better understand we, the church, bought into the myth that this is a Christian nation,” Jakes responded. ““[O]nce you get past [thinking America is a Christian nation] … Once you begin to understand that democracy—that a republic actually—is designed to be an overarching system to protect our unique nuances, then we no longer look for public policy to reflect biblical ethics.”

In addition to stating that the government was meant to “protect [the] unique nuances” of its citizens and was not designed to reflect biblical ethics, he explained the he believes that the government shouldn’t enshrine Christian principles in the nation’s laws just because Christianity is the dominant religion in America.

“I think where I am is to better understand that we, the church, bought into the myth that this is a Christian nation. … The government then cannot reflect one particular view over another just because we’re the dominant group of religious people in this country…”

“If we can divide—or what you would call separation of Church and State—then we can dwell together more effectively because atheists, agnostics, Jews, all types of people, Muslims, pay into the government,” Jakes asserted. “The government then cannot reflect one particular view over another just because we’re the dominant group of religious people in [this] country because those numbers are changing every day. We need a neutralized government that protects our right to disagree with one another and agree with one another.”

“That’s outside the Church,” Hill remarked, seeking to pull Jakes back into the original intent of his question about his “evolve” question. “Inside the Church, has your thinking shifted biblically, Scripturally, hermeneutically at all? The reason I ask that is because I talk to a lot of ministers now …. and one of the questions [at a recent African meeting] was, is there a way to approach Christian tradition—Christian Scripture—in light of a new understanding of LGBT?”

Hill then pointed to the issue of slavery, and that “irrespective of what [biblical] text says literally, we don’t support slavery as a body.” He asked if there was likewise “room for that same kind of shift” when it comes to homosexuality.

Jakes said that he believed that the shift needed to occur “behind the closed doors of the church” to avoid being called names by society for disagreeing on the matter. He added moments later that the issue of homosexuality is “complex.”

“Paul spends a lot of time wrestling back and forth, trying to understand should a woman wear a head covering, should you cut your hair,” Jakes stated. “I mean, they grappled back then and we’re grappling now because we’re humans and we are flawed and we’re not God.”

“Once you understand you’re not God, you leave yourself an ‘out’ clause to grow,” he said.


Following Christian News Network’s report on Jakes’ statements, he shot back on Facebook, remarking that he was “shocked” at how his comments were interpreted, but reiterated that while he personally doesn’t endorse homosexual “marriage,” he “respects” the government’s provision of it for those who want it.

“My comment on HuffPo TV drifted into issues of the Supreme Court ruling and changing the world through public policy versus personal witness. Further, I have come to respect that I can’t force my beliefs on others by controlling public policy for tax payers [sic] and other U.S. citizens,” he wrote.

“Jesus never sought to change the world through public policy but rather through personal transformation. All people didn’t embrace him either,” Jakes continued. “That’s what I said and what I meant …. Nothing more and nothing less.”

He contended that when he used the phrase “evolved and evolving” in response to Hill’s question, he was only referring to the methods used to minister to homosexuals, not his position on the issue.

“When asked about the ‘black church’ and its role in ministering to gay people, I briefly mentioned (we were running out of time) the word ‘evolved and evolving’ regarding my approach over the 39 years of my ministry to gay people who choose to come to our services,” Jakes wrote. “I simply meant that my method is evolving—not my message.”

However, Jakes’ comments about “evolving” in context were in reference to his belief that because America is not a Christian nation, it should give rights to all people and allow disagreement in the interim.

“I was shocked to read that this was manipulated in a subsequent article to say I endorsed same sex marriage! My position on the subject has been steadfast and rooted in Scripture,” he said in his statement this week.

Jakes concluded by stating that although he personally opposes same-sex “marriage,” he “respects the rights” given to homosexuals by the U.S. government—as he had outlined during the Huffington Post interview.

“For the record, I do not endorse same sex marriage but I respect the rights that this country affords those that disagree with me,” he remarked.

Jakes made similar comments on Tuesday in a new statement posted to Facebook, asserting again that he personally is against same-sex “marriage,” but that “secular audiences” are not obligated to understand the biblical viewpoint.

“Such brief commentary is inadequate to explain complex theological principles or to evaluate societal norms from a biblical perspective,” he wrote. “This is especially true of secular audiences who are not obliged to understand or adhere to Scripture as the moral arbiter for their lives.”

Jakes contended that his “evolving” remark was in regard to the methods of sharing the gospel with homosexuals and not his stance on the issue.

“The inference is that I am ‘developing’ in my approach to the LGBT community that I may share the Gospel most effectively so as to lead ‘whosoever will’ to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ,” he claimed.

“[M]y beliefs about sexuality and marriage—as with all topics—is based on Scripture,” Jakes also said. “My stance on the topic has never wavered. It is fixed, steadfast and well documented. Nor am I ashamed of the gospel, for fear of appearing politically correct.”

Jakes mentioned nothing on Tuesday of national concerns regarding his advice that homosexuals should find affirming congregations, nor did he address the original concerns over his statement about his agreement with the “rights” the “non-Christian” government affords to homosexuals.


But Jesse Lee Peterson says that he doesn’t believe Jakes is being honest in his attempts to clarify his statements as the context of Jakes’ remarks as seen in the video footage belies his assertions. He said that Jakes is rather back peddling and “speaking out of both sides of his mouth.”

“He’s trying to back pedal by lying about what he said and what his intent was behind what he said,” Peterson told Christian News Network. “For this man to speak out of both sides of his mouth indicates that he is a hypocrite.”

He said that he doesn’t believe Jakes’ comments to the Huffington Post were misconstrued, but rather that Jakes’ was telling the outlet—as reported—that while he has personal beliefs about homosexuality, he simultaneously believes that homosexuals should have their “rights” as the nation operates outside of biblical values—and in that sense, Jakes does support same-sex “marriage.”

“That’s exactly what he’s saying,” Peterson said. “He might as well have just come out and said outright that he does support it [in that regard], because that’s clearly what he’s saying, [that] because the government supports it, we should support it.”

“The country is not misunderstanding what he’s saying,” he continued. “I think the country, especially Christians, is seeing quite clearly what he is saying … You can’t be against it and for it. You’re either one or the other.”

Peterson said that Jakes’ argument in regard to the “rights this nation affords” to homosexuals is unscriptural.

“It’s clear that the government is not on the side of Christianity and it’s clear to me that today’s government does not serve God …. so they do want to accept everything—at least everything that’s wrong,” he said. “But being a ‘spiritual leader’–a man of God, a man who is leading the flock—he cannot go along with the idea of the government.”

“If you’re a man of God, you cannot have your ‘personal’ opinion about sin,” Peterson continued. “[H]ow are you going to have an opinion based on the government and be for it, but have a godly opinion about it and be against it? It doesn’t work like that. … It’s not right. We should not support it just because the government is supporting it.”

Peterson also expressed concern about Jakes’ remarks asserting that homosexuals should attend churches that affirm their beliefs instead of seeking to change Bible-based churches.

“It was unbiblical [counsel] and there is no way that you can be a spiritual leader and give out that type of advice,” he said. “God calls upon sinners to repent, and had T.D. Jakes been honest and fair, or a true spiritual leader, he would have called upon homosexuals to do the same thing, not recommend that they go to a different church.”

“A real man of God would not suggest that a homosexual go to a church that agrees with their lifestyle,” Peterson added. “He would suggest that they repent and turn to God.”

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  • Ruthe Tate

    Good for him

  • Guest

    Rev. 3: 15-16. ” I know your works: —–you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

    1John 2:15-16 Do not love the world or the things in the world..”

    Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me and whoever does not gather with me scatters.”

    2 Timothy 4:3 ” For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itchy ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.”

    2 Timothy 3:4 Treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to decietful spirits and the teaching of demons.

    John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

  • Daniel Asaad

    Do you people Listen to what people say…, or interpret what they say. Jakes never said directly “I support gay marriages or unions.” He did say that he believes that those who believe in gay unions should find their own church that affirms their belief. That’s indirect. As if, the church being any church of God, could sanction gay unions, when God does not sanction gay unions. Is this the indirect sanctioning of gay unions by pastor Jakes? Maybe. Maybe Not. How would we discern if the question is not asked. But you people don’t ask questions do you? You immediately hop right on your bandwagons and soap boxes and spew out righteous indignation. As though, you have been free of all sin and can cast stones. Has Jakes not done any good in practice and preaching? And is that good to be ignored and cast out.

    …Let me finish taking Jakes and Peterson to task. Jakes stated that he doesn’t believe secular audiences are “‘Obligated to Understand or Adhere to Scripture as the moral arbiter of their lives”. I thought when God said so, that was it. If God is real, and he is, then ALL are obligated under God whether you believe in him or not, or disagree in him in or not. Our obligation to God does not change if we believe in him or not or Accept him in or not. Also, when did the homosexuality in America or in the world become “complex”? God says: Don’t do it, it’s sinful, and I’m not accepting it. What’s complex about that? People, how do you get so emotionally compelled in an issue, with you preachy selves, and loose technical aspects of an argument? Where was I…?

    Peterson said, “you can’t serve two masters. You love one and HATE the other”. Who is He to decide that those are our Only two options? If God is God and he is Real then there is only one option. The rest maybe bad or improper choices. But do we hate behind bad or improper choices? So-called Christians, who are so ready to preach and condemn, where are your sane and credible arguments? And where is your professed love, compassion, understanding, and Balance? Do you suppose that God will be any more pleased with you, than the condemned and written off Jakes, who at least Seems to be trying to bridge societal gaps, although I believe in one of the most egregious ways, that he will Rapture you to Heaven, and condemn Jakes to the pits of Hell? Who are the real hypocrites here? I take issue with Jakes statements. But to castigate and condemn, while ignoring the fact that there are those in this world with power and high places, that are just tickled pink to see us ranting & raving and at each other throats while they move on with their agenda virtually unnoticed because we’re too busy clubbing each other down, is a corral for the ignorant and the emotional. Let us all pull our heads out of the trough of self righteousness and sanctimony, and ration with sensibility, love, and intellect.

    That’s my $0.02 cents.


    The Message translation of Matthew 7:1-5 says, “Don’t pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults unless of course, you want the same treatment. That critical spirit has a way of boomeranging. It’s easy to see a smudge on your neighbor’s face and be oblivious to the ugly sneer on your own. Do you have the nerve to say, ‘Let me wash your face for you,’ when your own face is distorted by contempt? It’s this whole traveling road-show mentality all over again, playing a holier than thou part instead of just living your part. Wipe that ugly sneer off your face, and you might be fit to offer a washcloth to your neighbor.” Are we to stand for the TRUTH of God’s word in all matters & every area? ABSOLUTELY. However, in doing so always remember we too once walked in the darkness of our sins, rejecting Jesus & yet while we were yet sinners He died for US. Let us remember it was with loving kindness Jesus drew us and now our instructions for this season of fulfillment of 2 Tim 3 is to “continue thou in the things
    which thou hast learned and hast been assured of..” while keeping in mind the parable of The Wheat & The Tares Matthew 13:24-30, and that Jesus said in verse 30 “I Will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bring them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”By keeping ourselves ready to meet Him may our lights shine to expose the darkness around us that it has equal opportunity for change.

  • Seniorsquadldr

    Sounds like the prince of this world has another acolyte in Jakes. Sounds like Jakes is trying to gain the whole world. Depart from me…………………

  • Royal Rican Prince

    I had the misfortune of having to ‘deal’ with TD Jakes and I can attest that he is Legion.

  • Royal Rican Prince

    I had the displeasure of meeting him and just based on his ‘energy” I can tell you he is not man of God!

  • Fabian Kawo

    Man can twist and turn Gods words to suit their believes or egos But God does not change and his spoken WORDS will remain forever. Leviticus 18: 22. NO MAN IS TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER MAN: GOD HATES THAT. This sums up all arguments on transgenders or Homos. Christians heads up your Master is coming.

  • Joyce Blessing Boston

    Well, HE said, HE would start the “shaking” in the Church, first, which means the individuals! Everything that can be shaken, will be shaken loose! It’s just like in Moses’ time, a distinct line was drawn and decisions were seen, crystal clear!

  • onechildgoinghome

    I don’t tend to join in on these types of conversations, but one strikes me as a one in need of a comment.

    Could we all just revert to Jesus speaking on the mountain in Matthew 7;1-5:
    Mat 7;1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
    Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
    Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
    Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    Every human has his or her weight or sin, and it would behoove of us to let God be God and the church be the church. Am I my brother’s keeper? I believe so. I am to except him and care for him not rebuke him, that’s the Holy Spirit’s job.I am to let him know is excepted and loved, and that the same God that has excepted me with my weights and sins will except him with his. The Holy Spirit will take care of the pulling off to become like Christ (a Christian = Christ Like).

    Let us move pass the sin or act of sin. Thru the acknowledgement of who God is, what Jesus did for all sinners, and who the Holy Spirit serves ( all who believe and confess) eventually will be changed and will also lay aside the weights and the sin that so easily besets us. We all have a struggle and tho our struggle may differ from that of another it is still a struggle.

    This just my opinion and my stand, God Bless!!

  • Nikia Brown

    Y’all talking all this stuff god doesn’t hate gay people he hates the sin and there is a lot of gay people in churches already they just hide because most Christians are the most judgmental they God changes gay and lesbian make them straight then why they always secretly still with the same sex the don’t change they just learn to hide so that they are not ridiculed and judged by most of the so called loving Christians who don’t realize that judging and ridiculing is just as bad as being gay news flash sin is sin people running your mouth And talking trash about gay and lesbians and trans is just as bad so just love and support ya people and let God handle the rest give them words of the Lord and pray for them let God work in them don’t judge condem them because if y’all Christians keep treating them and saying bad things about them it makes you no better than the sin they commit and all the Bible scriptures you quote won’t matter so cut it out because none of us are perfect and none of us are better than one another stop judging and let God do his job


    Almighty God I thank you that you still kept a remnant of your servant who still stand firmly in your word against the foolish!