Nearly 200 Muslims Fired at Meat-Packing Plant After Walkout for ‘Insufficient Prayer Accommodations’

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(Reuters) Nearly 200 workers, mostly Somali immigrants, have been fired from a meat-packing plant in Colorado after staging a walkout to protest what they said were insufficient prayer accommodations, the company and Islamic advocacy groups said on Thursday.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said the workers were treated in a “discriminatory manner” by managers at the Cargill Meat Solutions [CARGIL.UL] facility in Fort Morgan, about 75 miles northeast of Denver.

Jaylani Hussein, a spokesman for CAIR, said in a YouTube video posted by the group that the workers objected to new restrictions on their ability to worship on the job, “which they had been granted for a long period of time.”

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  • Enrique Baldwin Del Castillo

    A place of work it’s to work, and if they had time to pray I think that Cia. it’s excellent, and if they fail to more than one time I don’t see any reazon for complaints.

  • Ruth Davis

    When an employer hires you for a job , it to that job and he or she does not have to make accommodation for prayer . Muslim need to cut it out . Pray on their breaks . This is america and they should be following American job policies.

    • gizmo23

      They do pray on their breaks and lunch time. It costs the business nothing. This was left out of the article

      • Angel Jabbins

        How do you know that was left out of the article? Do you have some inside knowledge about this case? Do you live near this plant?
        I think employees should be able to do whatever they wish on their breaks…take a walk outside, read the bible, a book, listen to a podcast, pray. Can’t see that would be a problem….as long as they are back to work on time and their activities don’t interfere with getting the job done. Were they abusing the privilege? The article doesn’t really say.

        • gizmo23

          I went to the Reuters news site and read the entire article. This site and others are allowed to edit the original. They do it all the time. This is why you need to read news from many different sources. The orginal article was also in the Denver Post

          • Angel Jabbins

            I am sorry, but I can’t find anything about the Muslims using their break time for their prayers as you describe. I went to Reuters, found the article there, and compared it with what is printed here, and the two articles are identical paragraph for paragraph….nothing left out that I could see. Did you possibly read a different article at Reuters?

          • gizmo23

            Perhaps. They have on going stories

          • Angel Jabbins

            I just went to Denver Post (per your suggestion) and here is what I read about the issue of the Muslims praying during break time: One Muslim woman went on break to the special room the company provided for all faiths to use. She came back from break 2 minutes late. She was reprimanded for it and told she could be fired from not getting back from break on time. (Probably this is happening on a regular basis, because I can’t imagine they would fire her for being late back to work just one time.) There is no law stipulating that the company must guarantee employees times to pray every day. Even so, this company has bent over backwards to accommodate its Muslim employees, providing oversized cubicles with separate spaces for men and women and even providing prayer rugs for them to use rather than the cardboard boxes they had been using. They cannot take advantage of the employer, overstay their break times to pray and expect to continue to have that overlooked. If a Christian did that, he would be fired too. A meat packing plant has to get the job done in a timely manner so meat is not spoiled. Makes sense to me that they need people back from break on time regularly to keep the place running…to get the job done.

            I am not making this up. Here is the link…loose the spaces…http://www. denverpost. com/news/local/ci_18724498/fort-morgan-meatpacking-plant-strives-struggles
            I find no evidence this website purposely edited out information on this story.

          • gizmo23

            It sounds like they will find a solution

          • Angel Jabbins

            Yes, we hope so. But you stated “They do pray on their breaks and lunch time. It costs the business nothing. This was left out of the article.”

            1) It was not left out of the article. The article above was word for word as the original article appeared at Reuters.

            2) And praying on their break times was not the problem. The problem was abusing that privilege and that led to the company’s having to take action. If non-muslims arrive back from breaks late, wouldn’t they be reprimanded as well? Why do these folks feel they can take exception to the rules? The company didn’t have to provide a place to pray or prayer rugs. If a company I worked for was so gracious to provide a special prayer room and maybe even some bibles, I would be so appreciative and happy to work there, I would make every effort to play by their rules.

            3) People getting back to work late from breaks does add up and does cost the company eventually…in production.

      • afchief

        That is not true! I’m in the poultry business and it processing plants all over North America. Some plants on the West Coast have actually made prayer rooms for Muslims.


        • gizmo23

          Go to Reuters and read the original article

    • Krissy

      I’m getting confused. We stood by Kim Davis when she refused to fo her job because of her religion. Which is it?

    • acontraryview

      “and he or she does not have to make accommodation for prayer .”

      You may wish to better familiarize yourself with labor laws. From the EEOC:

      “Religious Discrimination & Reasonable Accommodation

      The law requires an employer or other covered entity to reasonably accommodate an employee’s religious beliefs or practices, unless doing so would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of the employer’s business. This means an employer may be required to make reasonable adjustments to the work environment that will allow an employee to practice his or her religion.

      Examples of some common religious accommodations include flexible scheduling, voluntary shift substitutions or swaps, job reassignments, and modifications to workplace policies or practices.

      An employer does not have to accommodate an employee’s religious beliefs or practices if doing so would cause undue hardship to the employer. An accommodation may cause undue hardship if it is costly, compromises workplace safety, decreases workplace efficiency, infringes on the rights of other employees, or requires other employees to do more than their share of potentially hazardous or burdensome work.”

      So if the company cannot prove that providing this accommodation “is costly, compromises workplace safety, decreases workplace efficiency, infringes on the rights of other employees, or requires other employees to do more than their share of potentially hazardous or burdensome work”, they will not have a good day in court.

    • thelordlives2011

      They are there to work and not go off doing prayers 5 times per day. The company has no obligation to provide a “prayer room.” If so then the Christians should be given a room to pray 5 times per day. Sounds like the company has been very nice to them. Send them home and they pray all the want to or go back where they came from.

  • Muslims clearly don’t need jobs. Isn’t it time to amend Colorado labor legislation to force the state to interfere in private business so these poor people can be paid to wave their unwashed prayer mats around whenever the meat packing business gets hard?

  • Shaun D.

    Happy New Year 2016!!! 😀

    Happy to hear that! Do we honestly feel safe having our enemies working within our country, and with our FOOD!!!?? NO!!!!

    Goodbye devil worshiping muslims, goodbye!

    • gizmo23

      There have been so many Solmali attacks I can’t count them all. How are these people our ememy?

      • afchief

        Here are eighteen things that practicing, Koran-abiding Muslims believe. They are all part of Islamic Sharia Law. If a “moderate Muslim” won’t renounce Sharia Law, then he is practicing taqiyya, or holy deception against the infidels to spread Islam. (See #13)

        1) Muslims should kill anyone who insults Islam or Mohammed. (Koran.33;57-61).
        2) Muslims should kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
        3) The Koran cannot be doubted. (Koran.2;1)….
        4) Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).
        5) Muslims must wage jihad on non-Muslims, even if they don’t want to. (Koran.2;216).
        6) Non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
        7) Muslims cannot be friends with non-Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
        8) Non-Muslims are sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
        9) Non-Muslim women can be raped and kept as sex slaves by Muslim men. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).
        10) Non-Muslims are the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
        11) Muslims must terrorize non-Muslims. (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhari.4;52;220).
        12) Muslims must strike terror into the hearts of non-Muslims. (Koran.8;60).
        13) Muslims must lie to non-Muslims to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106).
        14) Muslims should behead non-Muslims. (Koran.47;4).
        15) Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven if they kill non-Muslims. (Koran.9;111).
        16) Marrying and divorcing pre-pubescent children is okay for Muslim men. (Koran.65;4).
        17) Wife beating is okay for Muslim husbands. (Koran.4;34).
        18) Raping wives is okay for Muslim husbands. (Koran.2;223).

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Quran 65:4 And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women-if you doubt, then there period is three months, and [also for] those who have no menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term untill they give birth. And whoever fears Allah-he will make for him of his matter ease.

          Quran 2:223 Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish an put forth [rigteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and kniw that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.

          So first verse. Where does it say that Muslims are marrying and divorce children? And second verse where does it say that Muslim men rape their women?

          So where did you copy past it from? The site, I hate all Muslims? I got more if you want. Ever read the Quran or do you just believe what others tell you?

          • afchief

            Islam is straight from the pits of hell!!!

            Christianity vs Islam

            1.Bible tells us to never lie.
            2. Koran says it ok to lie to nonbelievers. The ends justifies the means.
            Koran man must do their gods work. Kill and judge the World.
            3. Bible says Jesus will judge the world. It is not for man to do.
            4. Bible says Christians spread the gospel with no compulsion.
            5. Koran says those who do not convert can be made slaves or killed. Muslims added rape all on their own.
            6. Jesus kingdom is not of this World.
            7. Muslims Kingdom is of this World and Muslims must conquer it using war, lies or any other deceitful way.
            8. Suicide for Christians is always a sin.
            9. Suicide bombers in Islam killing innocent gets them paradise with virgins.

            10. Heaven in the Bible is to be in the body of Christ and no longer sinning.

            11. Paradise in the Koran is a form of hedonism were you every desire is filled.

            Here are nine inconvenient facts about Islam Democrats and the DC Media don’t want you to know:

            1. Americans Muslims are 5,000 Percent More Likely to Commit a Terror Attack

            “Muslims account for only about 1 percent of the U.S. population but account for about half of terrorist attacks since 9/11. That means Muslims in the United States are about 5,000 percent more likely to commit terrorist attacks than non-Muslims.” — Source

            2. ISIS Is Already Everywhere In the United States

            “Even with our smaller Muslim population, we have trouble keeping track. The FBI is reported to have nearly 1,000 active probes into ISIS supporters in the United States. Of those, 48 suspects are under intensive, 24/7 surveillance, straining the agency’s capacity. …

            “There’s really no way around it: Continuing to admit 1 million Muslim immigrants per decade will translate into more attacks. We need to cut Muslim immigration.” — Source

            3. 51% of American Muslims Back Some Form of Sharia

            “According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that ‘Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.’” — Source

            Because the media doesn’t like these numbers, they unilaterally declare the poll “widely discredited.” Other than partisan bedwetting and lying, there is nothing out there — no data — that discredits this poll.

            The media just hurls the words “widely discredited” when facts interfere with their narrative.

            ADDED: CNN’s Don Lemon also lied about this poll, which has a widely accepted methodology.

            4. A Quarter of American Muslims Are Comfortable With Violence

            “Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, ‘It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.’” — Source

            5. Disturbing Percentages of the World’s Muslims Support ISIS

            Philip Bump, the happy-talking serial liar at the Washington Post, spins percentages as high as 14% as a positive sign that the world’s Muslims are “overwhelmingly opposed” to ISIS. When you are talking about 1.2 billion people, just 1% is frighteningly high. When you are talking about accepting refugees or immigrants from countries where anywhere from 1% to 14% of millions of Muslims view ISIS favorably, that is a massive threat to our security. — Source

            I’m pretty sure is 5% of Christians viewed the Nazis favorably, the leftwing Washington Post wouldn’t spin that data as good news. The extent to which Philip Bump will go to lie and spin is almost beyond comprehension. And he was just getting started.

            6. Disturbing Percentages of the World’s Muslims Support Suicide Bombings

            Again, the happy-talking serial liars at the Washington Post spin the idea that “Muslims were much less likely to view suicide bombings as justified than five years prior” as some sort of science-back refutation of Trump’s concerns.

            Rest easy with these incoming Muslim immigrants, America, because only 34% or 9% or 42% or 8% or 70% or 39% of the world’s Muslims view suicide bombings as justified. —Source

            7. Only 81% of American Muslims Agree That Violence Against Civilians Is Never Justified

            The happy-talking serial liars at the Washington Post spin the fact that only 81% of American Muslims say that violence against civilians is never justified, as “U.S. Muslims almost never consider suicide bombings to be justified.”

            There are millions of Muslims in this country. This means that hundreds of thousands of American Muslims are in some way comfortable with the idea of using violence against innocent civilians. — Source

            8. Disturbing Percentages of the World’s Muslims Back Sharia Law

            Throughout the various regions of the world, anywhere from 12% to 84% of the world’s Muslims back Sharia Law. Only in Southern-Eastern Europe and Central Asia is this number below 64%.

            Sharia Law means death to homosexuals, death to non-Muslims (unless they convert), and horrific oppression of women. ISIS has one goal: Sharia.

            Anyone who favors Sharia Law is a “bad apple,” and in South Asia, Southeast Asia, Middle East North Africa, and Sub-Saharan Africa, the “bad apples” make up 84%, 77%, 74%, and 64% of the barrel, respectively. — Source

            9. America Admits Thousand of Immigrants From Countries Where Muslim Favor Sharia

            “Pew asked Muslims in 39 countries whether they want sharia to be law of the land where they live. The percentage who answer yes is very, very high in some countries: 99 percent say yes in Afghanistan, 91 percent in Iraq, 84 percent in Pakistan. On the low end, just 12 percent of Muslims in Turkey say they want sharia to be the law of the land; the number is 10 percent in Kazakhstan.

            “According to a separate report from the Senate Immigration Subcommittee, the U.S. awarded 11,000 green cards to immigrants from Afghanistan from 2009 to 2013, 83,000 to Iraqis in the same time period, and 83,000 to Pakistanis. The U.S. awarded 22,000 green cards to Turks in that time, and 7,000 to Khazaks.”

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And again no answer to my questions, as always.

          • afchief

            I could care less!!! I know where Islam is from and it’s from the pits of hell!!! It has no redeeming value. It is an ideology of HATE!!!

            All who take the Quran seriously are potential terrorists or terrorist supporters. One must understand that Islam is not a religion, it is a political system meant to regulate one’s life.

            The goal of this system is to extend to the whole planet, there will not be a moderate Islam: it doesn’t exist.

            Islam is a real problem especially to us, western people: we mistakenly think it is a religion like Christianity. It is not!

            It is a mean to conquer the world, and Muslim will never change their ways.

            It is not a religion of peace, quite the contrary.

            Don’t listen to liberals/communist telling you Islam is Ok.

            Don’t fall for the trick of the free practice of a religion, as Islam is not a religion.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I don’t listen to anyone. A specially to people who only preach hate about them they don’t know. I don’t paint all people of a certain race, religion, etc with the same broad brush, something you and others like you do. I judge people by there character not of what they are. “I could care less” in other words, still don’t have a answer. You claim something what is obvious not true, and when someone debunks it you have no straight answer. Again, as always.

          • afchief

            What Islam Isn’t

            By Dr. Peter Hammond

            FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

            The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammonds book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

            Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

            Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

            Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called religious rights.

            When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to the reasonable Muslim demands for their religious rights, they also get the other components under the table. Heres how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

            As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

            United States Muslim 1.0%

            Australia Muslim 1.5%

            Canada Muslim 1.9%

            China Muslim 1%-2%

            Italy Muslim 1.5%

            Norway Muslim 1.8%

            At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

            Denmark Muslim 2%

            Germany Muslim 3.7%

            United Kingdom Muslim 2.7%

            Spain Muslim 4%

            Thailand Muslim 4.6%

            From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

            They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

            France Muslim 8%

            Philippines Muslim 5%

            Sweden Muslim 5%

            Switzerland Muslim 4.3%

            The Netherlands Muslim 5.5%

            Trinidad &Tobago Muslim 5.8%

            At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

            When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam Mohammed cartoons).

            Guyana Muslim 10%

            India Muslim 13.4%

            Israel Muslim 16%

            Kenya Muslim 10%

            Russia Muslim 10-15%

            After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

            Ethiopia Muslim 32.8%

            At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

            Bosnia Muslim 40%

            Chad Muslim 53.1%

            Lebanon Muslim 59.7%

            From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

            Albania Muslim 70%

            Malaysia Muslim 60.4%

            Qatar Muslim 77.5%

            Sudan Muslim 70%

            After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

            Bangladesh Muslim 83%

            Egypt Muslim 90%

            Gaza Muslim 98.7%

            Indonesia Muslim 86.1%

            Iran Muslim 98%

            Iraq Muslim 97%

            Jordan Muslim 92%

            Morocco Muslim 98.7%

            Pakistan Muslim 97%

            Palestine Muslim 99%

            Syria Muslim 90%

            Tajikistan Muslim 90%

            Turkey Muslim 99.8%

            United Arab Emirates Muslim 96%

            100% will usher in the peace of Dar-es-Salaam the Islamic House of Peace theres supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

            Afghanistan Muslim 100%

            Saudi Arabia Muslim 100%

            Somalia Muslim 100%

            Yemen Muslim 99.9%

            Of course, thats not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

            Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. Leon Uris, The Haj

            It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

            Final thought.

            In the Bible, God prophesied that Ishmael and his descendants would be wild and fight with everyone. This prediction has held true throughout history. Will the world ever have peace with Ishmael? Will Ishmael even find peace himself? Deep down, dont we all want the same things (love, peace, acceptance)? I wonder how much longer we will have to wait before real peace comes to humanity.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            What did you say in the other comment to me, don’t listen to others? Pot calling the kettle black, comes to mind. You are the one who listens to others. In every society there are bad people, doesn’t mean all people are bad. But in your world when someone belongs to a certain religion and some of these people do something bad, like ISIS, all of that religion are bad. I don’t want your hate, it’s not healthy.

          • afchief

            It’s not hate! It is the truth!! There is NO redeeming anything with Islam. It is the religion of “hate”. We Christians KNOW what the Word of God says about the last days. And Islam is part of the evil of the end times.

            Islam is the greatest threat to Western Civilization. It is worse than were the Nazis, the Communists and all the other violent groups in history. It was The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who convinced Hitler (I’m not defending Hitler) to exterminate Jews rather than deport them. This is the most evil force posing as a religion that has ever existed on this planet and it is like a disease

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So I’ll guess my friend who is a Muslima is lucky that her two brothers haven’t killed her husband who is ‘gasp’ white and european. I should warn her, I’ll guess.

          • afchief

            To say that the majority of Muslims here in the U.S. aren’t terrorists is comparable to pointing out that most Germans weren’t card-carrying, dues-paying members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, and that of the minority of those who were, only a small percentage actually operated the gas chambers.

            Here’s a question I like to pose to you who insist that “the vast majority” of Muslims are peaceable, loyal Americans, aren’t terrorists, and don’t “support” terrorism:

            Let’s say that it’s 7:30 p.m., just after sunset, and a family of “peaceable, loyal” Muslims has just finished dinner. The doorbell rings, and it’s the ayatollah from their local mosque. Standing next to him, and glancing nervously over his shoulder and up and down the street with furtive, feral eyes is a scruffy young man of Middle Eastern appearance.

            The ayatollah speaks to the father: “I have a favor to ask of you, my good friend Abdul. Our friend Mohammed here needs a place to stay quietly for, oh, a week or so. Maybe a couple of weeks. I thought you might be willing to put him up in your spare room. No need to mention his presence to anyone else, if you don’t mind. He’s not very talkative, so there’s really no need to entertain him. But he does like to watch the news, so if there’s a television and a wifi connection in the guest room, I’m sure he’d appreciate that.”

            HERE’S THE QUESTION: What percentage of “peaceable, loyal” Muslims in the U.S. would refuse the “favor,” or disregard the request to keep quiet about the mysterious “guest”? How many, on the other hand, would try to find out the reason for the secrecy? How many–Allah forbid!–would actually “drop a dime” by finding an opportunity to make a call to the FBI–even if the lead story on the news that night had been about a terrorist bombing at a recruiting office on the other side of town?

            I hope I’m wrong, but I think the answers to all of those questions are almost certainly self evident.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            That is more then one question. And I don’t support terrorism, I don’t paint all those who are Muslim with the same broad brush. Something you and people like you, racists, do. And no matter what I answer, you will debunk it. If I say a lot you will claim that I do support terrorism. No matter what I say, you and people like you, will never agree with people like me. I’ve had Muslim friends growing up, still do, and not one of them have ever been hostile to me or my friends for being Atheists, homosexuals, Christians. People like you are hostile towards people like me, who think differently from you. If it doesn’t fit in your world, it’s wrong, bad or not true. As I said before, I don’t listen to anyone. I’m my own person, have a mind of my own. I don’t judge all Muslims for what terrorists, ISIS, do in the name of their God. When we claim that Christians have done something bad in the past, or the attacks recently by white men and we say it where Christians, you all get in a fit and say “those aren’t real Christians, cause real Christians would never do that”. But when we or Muslims claim the same, you get into a fit again, “no not true caus all Muslims are the same”.

            Ok gonna give you a answer to your ‘question(s)’, knowing very well that someone like you won’t believe it anyways. My friends would do all that you asked, cause they condemn what is going on as much as I do. I have no idea how many Muslims are living in the US, no reason for me to find out, I’m not as obsessed with it as you are. But a lot, cause not all think like you, that all white people are bad and should be destroyed.

          • afchief

            We Christians are not hostile to people like you. We are just warning you of the consequences of your lifestyle. You come to Christian websites looking for affirmation and do not find it so you lash out. We are speaking truth of what the Word of God says. Not because we hate you, but because we love you and want to see you set free from this sin.
            You have a free will as long as you live on this earth. But once you leave, “Judgement”!!!!

            The choice is yours.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Yes you are hostile. I don’t come to Christian websites looking for affirmation, I’m hetero by the way, I come here to defend my friends. You hate all that that doesn’t fit into your world. You hate all Muslims, you hate homosexuality, cause there might be a chance that one day someone in your family or close to you is coming out as being homosexual. You don’t like it that the world is changing, so you stay safely in your world. We no longer live in the dark ages, deal with it.

          • afchief

            Untrue! Defend your friends? From what? The truth? We Christians do not hate anyone. What we state is what the Word of God says. The Word of God calls homosexuality a sin. We are repeating what it says.

            Jesus said in John 14:6 (NASB) Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

            This means there is NO other way to heaven. NONE! Jesus is the Son of God and came to earth to die for our sins so that we can have eternal life. No other religion can state that.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            No from people like you. You only have negative things to say about homosexuals, the same goes for Muslims, yep you hate them.

          • afchief

            If the Word of God says that homosexuality is sin, why do you think that is? Could it be because it is perverted? Deviant? Dangerous?

            If Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life” is there another way to heaven? No there is not!!!! Which means ALL other religions are lies straight from the chief liar…..satan.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Good thing I don’t believe in your God. I wouldn’t want all that hate towards others in my life and my heart.

          • afchief

            That is your choice. But, it has nothing to do with hate. Jesus and we Christians love the homosexuals. We are just pointing out truths about their lifestyle and the eternal consequences if they continue to live this way.

          • afchief

            More nice Muslims just acting out.

            Just five arrests have been made by German police after central Cologne was transformed into a war-zone on New Year’s Eve, as an estimated 1,000 migrants celebrated by launching fireworks into crowds and sexually assaulting German women caught up in the chaos.

            The sordid details of the horrifying sexual assaults and attacks made against ordinary Germans by large gangs of migrants in Cologne in the early hours of Friday morning are just now emerging.

            Far from a small number of sex assaults reported to have been made by German speaking men in initial reports on New Year’s Day, dozens of women are now reported to have been molested and “raped”, while dozens more men have been assaulted and robbed.

            One victim, 28 year old ‘Katja L’ spoke of her ordeal as she tried to make her way to the waiting room of Cologne railway station with two other girls and a boyfriend in the early hours of new year’s day. She told Der Express – one of the largest regional newspapers: “When we came out of the station, we were very surprised by the group that met us there”. She said the group was “exclusively young foreign men”. Keeping close to her friends, they pressed on:

            “We then walked through this group of men. There was an alley through [the men] which we walked through. Suddenly I felt a hand on my buttocks, then on my breasts, in the end, I was groped everywhere. It was a nightmare. Although we shouted and beat them, the guys did not stop. I was desperate and think I was touched around 100 times in the 200 meters.

            (Excerpt) Read more at breitbart. com …

          • afchief

            Hmmm…….I think it’s time you open your closed eyes.

            This is an eyewitness story from a doctor working in Germany at a Munich hospital, a retired physician from the Czech Republic who went to work there because they needed additional help. This is part of her email from Germany

            ———————EMAIL FROM GERMANY -———————

            Yesterday, at the hospital, we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals. Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we women are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

            Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon their children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

            Where are all those who had welcomed them in front of TV cameras, with signs at train stations? Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them. Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. They have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even at double the salary that I make at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

            Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meet young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit. I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature, cannot handle this, there in the Czech Republic it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has any idea what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

            For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a question of time. In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, whom they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

            The local press is forbidden to write about it. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum, he’d go straight to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

            And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train
            stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking
            forward to more trains. If it were up to me I would round up all these
            greeters and bring them here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as
            attendants. Then, into one building with the migrants so they can look
            after them there themselves, without armed police, without police dogs
            which today are in every hospital here in Bavaria.

            ——————— END EMAIL FROM GERMANY -———————

          • afchief

            There is no such thing as ‘radical Islam’. Islam is Islam today as it was 1400 years ago. you have ‘Pure Islam’ and nothing more. There are practicing Muslims and non practicing people who identify with Islam. Some people call them moderates. A moderate in Islam is simply an Apostate of Islam. The penalty for apostasy under Sharia law is Death. No one has hijacked Islam. Islam was dangerous and full of hatred 1400 years ago and in 2015 it remains the same. The goal of Islam is a worldwide Caliphate and the rise of the 12th Imam. In May 1991 the Muslim Brotherhood issued to its ideological allies an explanatory memorandum on “the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.” Explaining that the Brotherhood’s mission was to establish “an effective and stable Islamic Movement” on the continent, this document outlined a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” for achieving that objective. It stated that Muslims “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands so that God’s religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions.” The Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR both have ready access to the White House. Imagine that.

            Read the Qur’an. You might begin with Sura 3:151.

            Where were Muslims on September 11th, 2001? If they weren’t flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East. No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, and other cable news networks that day.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Other reply is pending, probably will be deleted. Anyways I read the Quran. Did you? Or are you just cherry picking those verses that suits your needs from websites that say that all Muslims are bad? I thought in your world there are no moderated Muslims? You keep pointing that out in your comments anyway.

          • afchief

            I worked with a so-called moderate muslim for 7 years. We traveled overseas on business trips together and sat next to each other on many flights. We talked extensively about his muslim beliefs. I considered him a good friend and asked him once if he considered me an infidel. He answered yes. I then asked him if he could kill me for being an infidel and he answered yes. I was stunned. Our relationship after that was strictly business. There will come a time when he will act out his beliefs. I don’t want to be anywhere near him when that time comes.

            A moderate muslim is just a radical muslim in hibernation.

            Moderate muslims are just waiting for the right time to act and when they receive that green light, watch out.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So a Muslim couple I know are just waiting for the last 30 years to strike? Right. Both are around 70 now, but yeah they are waiting.

            And you having ever Muslim friends, highly doubt it.

          • afchief

            Sure have!! I have spent 3 years in Muslim countries with the military.

            Moderate Muslims just means those who are not actively participating as the terrorists. If they all read and believe the Koran then they all believe that they can kill the infidels, and they should establish a worldwide caliphate.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            The way you talk about all Muslims, I really don’t believe that.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, he doesn’t believe anything people tell him either 🙂

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            He isn’t denying it.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Since there’s no evidence that these employees are “our enemies,” I have no idea what I’m supposed to be outraged about.

  • violetteal

    This is wrong. What would it cost anyone to accommodate these people?

    • Ax2root

      Why should they be accommodated . They are there to work and KNOW THE RULES BEFORE THEY GET HIRED

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Because the Civil Rights Act demands it.

        • Ax2root


          They assumed responsibility of following the rules when they signed on to be paid for being hired with THOSE RULES

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That’s not how it works. Employers don’t get to ignore any law they please just because they call it a “rule” at their company.

      • violetteal

        It’s a part of the rules employers must follow. Accommodate peoples with handicaps, religious needs and so on. The employees were under no restriction to follow their religion. It comes down to money.

  • doodle

    If they want such considerations as to pray during working hours they should find a business that’s run by one of their own who would be doing the same thing. If you are living and working in the United States your employer is in charge of your time at work and your employer is not paying you to pray. You’re there to do your job

    • gizmo23

      What is left out here is that the employees used their break and lunch time for the prayers. It doesn’t cost the employer a thing

      • Angel Jabbins

        “….since 2009 the Fort Morgan plant has set aside an on-site “reflection area” for people of all faiths.

        “Cargill makes every reasonable attempt to provide religious accommodations to all employees based on our ability to do so without disruption to our beef-processing business,” he said. He said the degree of flexibility the company can extend for prayers depends on a variety of factors, including daily work-flow considerations.”

        Sounds like they were trying to accommodate them.

  • sammy13

    You walk off the job, you are finished. Firing is not the issue; they quit!

  • Elizabeth Coakley

    These employees disobeyed rules of the job. The cannot ALL leave at the same time to pray because it is an assembly line process. The did anyway, leaving empty holes in the assembly line. I think Cargill has been very understanding by providing places to pray etc.. A job has to be done.

    • gizmo23

      Where did you find that info?

  • Simon Hankins

    It’s a business. They can piss off. Whining bitches.

  • thelordlives2011

    The employees are there to work and not be spending time praying. You do that after you are off duty. These workers think they should be treated different. When you walk off the job you are fired plain and simple. CAIR jumps in this discussion and there is your terrorist organization backed by Muslim Brotherhood.

    • Krissy

      Kim Davis was also there to work and not promote her religion while on the clock. Yet we defended her.

      • Nidalap

        “We”? You sound as if you’re not really counting yourself in that number. Kim Davis worked in a position where the rules were changed in a way which came into conflict with her beliefs.

        • Cady555

          That can happen to anyone, right? We still have to do the job we are paid to do or resign. The Bible commands us to obey secular authority, even pagan romans.

          • Nidalap

            Oh my, yes! That’s why the Apostles always stopped preaching the Gospel when those pagan Romans told them to! (^_^)

        • acontraryview

          “worked in a position where the rules were changed in a way which came into conflict with her beliefs.”


    • acontraryview

      You would benefit from a better understanding of labor laws.

  • sandra-paquette-

    Nobody else would be allowed to do all of these stunts. It’s high time they go back to their own countries and live the way want to. But no they come here to change the country to their rules and to sue. It has really gotten out of hand.

    • Krissy

      Sometimes a Christian would be allowed to refuse to do their job but keep that job. Remember Kim Davis?

      • Guest

        Ms. Davis did not refuse to do her job. She was actually following state law more than the law enforcers.

        • Cady555

          The Constitution supercedes state laws. This includes rulings of Supreme Court, as established by the Constitution.

          Laws change all the time. A county clerk affirms that the person(s) requesting a marriage license or a business license or a fishing license meet legal criteria. That’s it.

          Davis refused to do her job.

          • Guest

            You are incorrect. The Supreme Court has limited power and can only interpret the Constitution. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees same sex unions. As a state clerk, Kim Davis upheld state law, which is what she was elected to do. God bless her.

          • Cady555

            There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees driver’s licenses or fishing licenses either.

            There is something in the Constitution that requires equal protection in government actions.

            So if the government issues licenses for “X”, it cannot discriminate. Women can drive or fish even if someone else thinks female drivers or female fishers are yucky. All citizens are equally entitled to the government service. One person can be denied a driver’s license due to his/her own driving history. But all people named Johnson cannot be denied a driver’s license because some Johnsons are bad drivers. Equal protection.

            If the government acknowledges marriages of two people, it needs a valid reason for excluding people from that service. And “my religion says you’re yucky” is not such a reason.

          • Guest

            You seriously compared marriage to a fishing license??

          • Cady555

            Government service not mentioned in Constitution and where the government needs to provide equal protection / equal treatment and which are not to be second guessed by preferences of others. Yep. There are hundreds of examples

          • Guest

            Same sex union is not a Constitutional guarantee.

          • Cady555

            Equal protection is.

          • Guest

            Same sex unions aren’t a protection issue. Religious freedom and rights, however, are.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Nobody is “coming here to change the country.” The right of employees to enjoy reasonable religious accommodations was enshrined in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, over 50 years ago.

  • acontraryview

    Unless the company can prove that providing this accommodation “would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of the employer’s business”, they will not have a good day in court.

  • thelordlives2011

    One reason Muslims are so demanding for they want is because Osama Obama has set the examples and gets everything he wants. This needs to stop. Send them back to their countries.