Obama to ‘Celebrate Contributions of Muslim Americans’ at Maryland Mosque

ObamaWASHINGTON — The White House announced on Saturday that Barack Obama is scheduled to visit a Baltimore mosque on Wednesday where he will meet with Islamic leaders and deliver a speech promoting religious tolerance and denouncing “bigotry.”

The visit to the Islamic Society of Baltimore will be Obama’s first to an American mosque during his seven years as president, and will serve as a gesture to “celebrate the contributions Muslim Americans make to our nation and reaffirm the importance of religious freedom to our way of life.”

“The president believes that one of our nation’s greatest strengths is our rich diversity,” White House spokesman Keith Maley told the Baltimore Sun. “As the president has said, Muslim Americans are our friends, and neighbors; our co-workers, and sports heroes — and our men and women in uniform defending our country.”

The White House further outlined that in his speech at the facility, Obama “will reiterate the importance of staying true to our core values: welcoming our fellow Americans, speaking out against bigotry, rejecting indifference and protecting our nation’s tradition of religious freedom.”

At a Democratic retreat that was also attended by Vice President Joe Biden, Obama told those gathered on Thursday that insulting Muslims only fuels ISIS.

“We’re not going to build progress with a bunch of phony tough talk, and bluster, and over-the-top claims that just play into ISIL’s hands,” he stated. “We’re not going to strengthen our leadership around the world by allowing politicians to insult Muslims or pit groups of Americans against each other. That’s not who we are. That’s not keeping America safe.”

Likewise, as previously reported, during his State of the Union address earlier this month, Obama asserted that ISIS is not representative of the Islamic religion.

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“We don’t need to build [ISIL] up to show that we’re serious, nor do we need to push away vital allies in this fight by echoing the lie that ISIL is representative of one of the world’s largest religions,” Obama declared, resulting in a standing ovation.

“When politicians insult Muslims, whether abroad or our fellow citizens, when a mosque is vandalized, or a kid is called names, that doesn’t make us safer. That’s not telling it like it is. It’s just wrong,” he said. “It diminishes us in the eyes of the world. It makes it harder to achieve our goals. It betrays who we are as a country.”

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  • Becky

    “Muslim Americans”??

    • The Last Trump

      I think he means him?

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Hey Trump, now some of Val’s NEW personalities are being banned on CNN. 🙂 Oh, and Champoogne is back on LAN. Now, which personality number was that?!? 🙂

        • Ben_Gonsalves

          Sorry to disappoint you Crazy, but I’m still here. Still not Valri either.

        • BobRumba

          Fancy meeting you here, and gossiping about your assorted boogeymen as well. Carry on. The subject is Obama, going to say something about him being a Muslim?

        • The Last Trump

          Yeah the new accounts didn’t pan out so well for her, did they?
          We certainly made short work of them! Has to be some kind of record.
          Out with the new and back to the old. Champugly’s been posting ALL day.
          And, defending Val non stop, surprise, surprise!
          She must be running low on user profiles. Just can’t keep from breaching simple forum guidelines regarding basic civility.
          While scolding everyone else!
          Keep an eye out for hateful and intolerant posts from any new accounts who have by some highly unlikely coincidence ever even heard of fstdt dot com!
          Hee, hee! Boy, it’s not like she’s really making it difficult to know!
          Poor misguided soul. 🙁

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            What causes a woman to stalk people like that, Trump? I am thinking Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction here when it comes to Val. 🙂 Then again, she only stalks the finest!

      • Becky


    • rick

      He’s counting his “refugees” before they’re hatched……..

  • OldArkie

    And Muslims loves to kill Christians who refuse to convert to Muslim.

    • gizmo23

      so why did we fight to protect them in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

  • sammy13

    Give me a break Barry!

  • Unionville

    Since the bigotry shown to Muslim Americans and their contributions to our country are but a drop of water in the ocean compared to Jewish Americans, I believe the prevaricator-in-chiefs time would be more properly spent at a Temple.

    • gizmo23

      Interesting comment considering most bigotry shown against Jews has been historically come from Christains

      • Guest

        No. It’s historically come from Muslims.

        • gizmo23

          You mean those Muslims in the kkk and Nazi Germany?

          • Guest

            Yes. Nazi Germany had close ties with both Muslims and paganism. So did the KKK, which was a political non-religious movement from Democrats to oppose race rights that were proposed by Republicans.

          • gizmo23

            Germany was also a very Christian country and Hitler used it to inflame people against Jews. Just like the conservatives now use it to inflame hate against Muslims

          • Guest

            Germany wasn’t Christian. Replacement theology, pride, and envy are what were used to inflame Germans against Jews. That was rampant, and still is rampant, throughout Europe and Muslim nations.

          • gizmo23

            It most certainly was Christian you just refuse to believe history

          • Guest

            You don’t even know history, gears. When faced with it, you play dumb and claim you were only asking questions. You’ve been proven wrong repeatedly, but you still post over and over again. It’s almost as though you get paid per click. Either that, or you’re very lonely.

          • gizmo23

            I really don’t need to talk to to people that won’t even listen

          • Guest

            Oh, the irony! 🙂 Have a good night, gears.

      • George

        wasn’t it muhammed who killed a caravan of jews in just one of his conquests?

  • gizmo23

    People here forget that we spent lives and treasure protecting Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Are you saying our soldiers died in vain?

    • Reason2012

      You forget that muslims CONTINUE to behead and kill Christians and others who do not believe what they do, and drop those into homosexuality off the top of buildings. Are you saying we should ignore this, call Christians and those into homosexuality bigots, and defend islam instead?

      • gizmo23

        No. What I’m saying is that to paint every Muslim with the same brush is bigoted and people that do are not Christians.

        • Reason2012

          And yet he goes and addresses all Christians as if they’re all bigots and islmaphobes and he doesn’t even address the issue at ALL that islamists DO kill Christians and drop those into homosexuality off the building. If he wants to be sincere he needs to address both and he never does. He can’t even call terrorists muslims. And neither do you address both sides either. Why is that?

          • gizmo23

            Obama has commented many times on it. You just don’t listen to it.
            I condemn all violence done in Gods name by ANY person. Muslim terrorism and murder are evil just as any violence is.
            You sir condemm all those that think differently than you and paint people with board brushes. You are a bigot and have an evil streak that only see things one way. People like you are one of the reasons we have death and murder

          • afchief

            Again gizmo THINK!!!!! Obamadinajad is just giving lip service, period!!! If Obamadinajad wanted to put a stop to the killing of Christians and others, ISIS would all be dead by now. There is NO excuse for ISIS existing today. NONE!!!

        • afchief

          Gizmo, remember I asked you to use some “Critical thinking skills”. Think!!! If ALL Muslims were/are radical the entire world would be at war with them. They would be destroyed by Western Powers. This is why the majority of Muslims are so called “moderate”. A lot of so called moderate Muslims work behind the scenes, they finance terror, they lie to the infidel (you) to deceive you. they populate countries so their numbers will grow. They then get involved with government. They congregate in their own communities. They soon become NO GO ZONES (Dearborn MI)

          We Christians see what is happening. You who do not have the Spirit of Christ do not.

    • afchief

      We’re saying Obamadinajad is the enemy within!!!

      The Enemy Within

      President Barack Obama again uses tragedy to advance his infamous anti-American agenda. With American blood barely dry on the walls and floors of San Bernardino’s Inland Regional Center, and in the midst of the growing threat of Islamic terrorism on our soil, Obama’s response is to further dispossess Americans of our unalienable right to self-defense. Soon after his initial and predictable call for increased gun restrictions, the press revealed the identities of the individuals responsible for the California shootings, in which 14 Americans were murdered and 21 wounded: the two attackers were devout Muslims, connected with ISIS. Despite the FBI’s conclusion that this was a terrorist act, and although he cannot yet bring himself to use the phrase “Islamic terrorism,” Obama’s standard course of action is to abuse executive power so to further punish lawful gun owners – but he assures us this will defeat the goals of Allah’s perpetually angry, anti-social misfits.

      The FBI is presently conducting 900 investigations into possible ISIS terror cells within the U.S. However, as if to erase all doubt of where his allegiance lies, and despite the objections of 35 governors, President Obama demands States accept alleged Syrian nationals or else face federal retaliation. The majority of these “refugees” (65%) are Muslim men of fighting age, with hardly a woman, child, or elder numbered among them. The government assures us that this influx of potential enemy combatants will be properly vetted – but how do you vet someone who has yet to commit a crime or associate with criminals?

      Against the expressed will of the States, President Obama has vowed to import 200,000 Muslims from known sources of Islamic terrorism. Prior to this decree, he has repeatedly ignored or abrogated federal immigration statutes, unrelentingly subverted the Constitution, and routinely used executive orders to usurp Congress. Not for protecting the citizenry in time of war does he affect these actions, but rather so to change the American demographic and make the United States a nation of dependents – for such a populace is easier to control.

      In context of these developments, we must soberly ponder the relevance of the following quote:

      “Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” – Barack Hussein Obama, ‘The Audacity of Hope’ [pg. 261]

      Syed Farook, a U.S. citizen, traveled to Saudi Arabia to marry Tashfeen Malik – a Pakistani national who entered the U.S. on a 90-day fiancee’ visa. She was cleared by the FBI and DHS, and then issued a Green Card. After the shooting began, Malik went on Facebook and pledged loyalty to the emir of ISIS. These individuals were parents to a 6-month old daughter. They were neither impoverished nor disadvantaged. They lived in an upscale American neighborhood. The motivating force to murder was their “religion of peace.” The problem is not citizenship, nor poverty – nor climate change. The problem is Islam. Let’s be clear: Islam is not a religion. Islam is a militant, expansionist, totalitarian political ideology, covering itself beneath a veneer of religion, so as to conquer and subjugate the world through a process of deception (Taqiyya) and terror (Jihad).

      By his actions, President Obama appears not just sympathetic to Muslims, but a willful enabler of Taqiyya and Jihad. If he had not these misguided allegiances, and rather upheld his oath to the U.S. Constitution, then San Bernardino might not now be numbered among those places unfortunate to know the true face of Islam.

      Regrettably, we have a president who acts to divide the American people and foment racial insurrection; who deprives law enforcement of the tools necessary to perform their prescribed duties, while slandering and libeling its officers, causing the “thin blue line” to fall into disrepute, and even jeopardizing the lives of its members. We have a president who orders our Border Patrol and ICE agents to stand down, while illegal aliens – whose number likely include Islamic terrorists – continue to violate our borders. We have a president who subverts the Armed Forces, purging their branches of competent morally upright leaders, while filling their ranks with unfit individuals, corrupt with the vice of sodomy. This man – who claims the Constitution “basically flawed,” and desires to “fundamentally transform America” – wastes no opportunity to remove our ability to resist tyranny. Threatening as the Islamic State may be, its soldiers are nothing when compared to the damage done through the machinations of one traitor – for such is the peril we now face from the enemy within.

      • Zero Dark Thirsty ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        LOL JFC you people are MENTALLY ILL – SEEK HELP!

        • afchief

          Ahhh yes, more proof that truth is the enemy of liberals!!!

          This is why Obamadinajad does not mention Islam and terrorists in the same sentence!!!

          • It was you who spoke these words at an Islamic dinner – “I am one of you.”

          • It was you who on ABC News referenced – “My Muslim faith .”

          • It was you who gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build foreign mosques.

          • It was you who wrote that in the event of a conflict -“I will stand with the Muslims .”

          • It was you who assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that – “I am a Muslim .”

          • It was you who bowed in submission before the Saudi King.

          • It was you who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism.

          • It was you who exempted Muslims from penalties under Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.

          • It was you who purposefully omitted – “endowed by our Creator ” – from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence.

          • It was you who mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ’s Sermon On The Mount while repeatedly referring to the ‘HOLY ‘ Qur’an.

          • It was you who traveled the Islamic world denigrating the United States Of America .

          • It was you who instantly threw the support of your administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.

          • It was you who refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the WH.

          • It was you who ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested that the mosques you have visited adjust their decor.

          • It was you who appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar Corps.

          • It was you who appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland Security.

          • It was you who said that NASA’s “foremost mission” was an outreach to Muslim communities.

          • It was you who as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual who would speak in favor of infanticide.

          • It was you who was the first President not to give a Christmas Greeting from the WH, and went so far as to hang photos of Chairman Mao on the WH tree.

          • It was you who curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic terrorists.

          • It was you who refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an Islamic terrorist.

          • It is you who has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights abuses.

          • It was you who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists assaults.

          • It was you who funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to Hamas.

          • It was you who ordered the USPS to honor the MUSLIM holiday with a new commemorative stamp.

          • It was you who directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to help “empower” the British Muslim community.

          • It was you who embraced the fanatical Muslim Brotherhood in your quest to overthrow the Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak.

          • It was you who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country.

          • It is you who follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of jewelry during Ramadan.

          • It is you who departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal WH religious events.

          • It was you who was uncharacteristically quick to join the chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, formerly America’s strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.

          • It was you who appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, an Iranian , who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

          The above provides the basis for virtually everything Obama does.

      • gizmo23

        Cut and paste. Not going to read it

        • BobRumba

          Excellent idea. Anything that smells like a cut and paste job should be ignored. Especially when taken from a radical source.

          • Bob Johnson

            Not true. Reading the entire range of ideas is part of the classic definition of liberal. Indeed why it is called a liberal arts education. When you finish with those sites, may I suggest picking up a copy of Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”.

          • BobRumba

            I suppose that is true.

        • afchief

          Because the truth always offends. And the truth is the enemy of liberals. I see it ALL the time!!!

          • Bob Johnson

            No, read it because a breadth of opinions is more enlightening than a narrow, provincial mindset.

  • Reason2012

    // The White House announced on Saturday that Barack Obama is scheduled to visit a Baltimore mosque on Wednesday where he will meet with Islamic leaders and deliver a speech promoting religious tolerance and denouncing “bigotry.” //

    Why don’t you denounce their continued murder of countless Christians and those into homosexuality instead of focussing instead on calling Christians bigots?

    // The visit to the Islamic Society of Baltimore will be Obama’s first to an American mosque during his seven years as president, and will serve as a gesture to “celebrate the contributions Muslim Americans make to our nation and reaffirm the importance of religious freedom to our way of life.” //

    When’s the last time he visited a Church to deliver a speech to promote the end of the murderous ways of those into islam?

    // “The president believes that one of our nation’s greatest strengths is our rich diversity,” White House spokesman Keith Maley told the Baltimore Sun. //

    Does he mean the diversity of muslims who will kill Christians and the Christians who are intolerant bigots for pointing it out?

    // “As the president has said, Muslim Americans are our friends, and neighbors; our co-workers, and sports heroes — and our men and women in uniform defending our country.” //

    Tell them Christians are their friends, neighbors, co-workers and sports heros, instead of to be killed as their Koran demands.

    // The White House further outlined that in his speech at the facility, Obama “will reiterate the importance of staying true to our core values: welcoming our fellow Americans, speaking out against bigotry, rejecting indifference and protecting our nation’s tradition of religious freedom.” //

    How about first speaking out against them slaughtering Christians first?

    This is just a weak, thinly veiled attempt to get America to drop it’s guard and let the murderers into all our hometowns until their numbers are so great it’s too late to stop the inevitable slaughter of ‘infidels’ – just like they’ve done to every other country they invade in such a manner.

    • gizmo23

      What’s your solution? Death camps?
      Your statements are vile

      • Amos Moses

        That would seem to be Barkys solution, to create a death camp USA. Import more Muslims, ala the EU, (Germany, Sweden, Norway, GB, etc.) and have Muslims act the way they are there (raping, groping, etc.) and have that be “who we are”.

        But the statement is vile? Hmmmmmm.


        • gizmo23

          So Mr Brain what is your solution?

          • Amos Moses

            Christ Jesus.

            Whats yours?

          • gizmo23

            Do what we have doing.

          • Amos Moses

            “Do what we have doing.”

            Not much of an answer………….. FYI, part of that answer is fighting Muslims, like the Marines did ….. Gee, that was 200 YEARS AGO………………………………………. Under JEFFERSON!

          • gizmo23

            So you want to attack American Muslims. Maybe put them in death camps?

          • Amos Moses

            “So you want to attack American Muslims. Maybe put them in death camps?”

            The American government is going to do what it is going to do without my input or yours. FYI, it is going to be the christians, in this country, that are put into camps just as the Japanese were.

            You are trying to use Reductio ad absurdum and it is a bad debate technique. Your only other tactic is ad hominem attack and again, very poor debate technique. You have no answers other than that.

            You are on a path that is leading here:

            House Democrats introduce legislation condemning anti-Muslim bigotry
            30 Dec 2015 … “We must show that we will not tolerate this anti-Muslim … It’s time Congress stood up to condemn these attacks which run contrary … This bill is a reminder to Americans of all faiths: the demagogues do not speak for everyone.

            Who is going to be jailed for this OPINION? Christians……………….

            Good luck with your new Sharia buddies. Hope you have loved the constitution, you are about to lose it, if it is not lost already.

          • gizmo23

            So you do want to kill them even Americans

          • Amos Moses

            Sorry, what does what they do have to do with what i want? Boko Haram just recently burned (alive) 100 men, women and children to death in Africa. Sorry, they did not ask my advice on the matter.

            In one of their most heinous massacres to date, militants from the radical Islamist Boko Haram group slaughtered over a hundred victims in a village in northeast Nigeria Saturday night, including a number of children whom they burned alive.

            But you seem to think we should be “tolerant”? Do i understand you correctly?

          • BobRumba

            A little tolerance would go a long way.

          • George

            just like that shown by isis, the boko mob (who just burnt 50 children to death) the paris shooters, yeah, lets show tolerance to our “muslim” friends….

          • BobRumba

            The vast, vast majority of Muslims don’t do things like that. Are you a Christian? Do you want to be judged by the actions of the Ku Klux Klan?

          • George

            fact is the klu klux clan have not killed no where near as many people as that of those who identify with islam. lets go through the list, 911, bali bombings, London bombings, Madrid train explosion, isis, boko haram, paris shootings (including Charlie cartoonists)the san bernadino shootings, list can go on and on, and not to mention islams founder who killed so many on his conquest.
            As a Christian I am truly sorry and ashamed when ever people commit violence in the name of Christ and I condemn them. Why don’t more muslims come out and say the same about their own? unfortunately the Koran and muhammed do teach violence against non believers at times.
            remember, not every muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist act has been committed by muslims…

          • BobRumba

            “every terrorist act has been commiitted by muslims”

            You might want to fact check that statement…

          • George

            well, all those terrorist acts I mentioned before (aint even they enough to convince you?) and then some.
            Again, do you agree with my last statement as to why not enough muslims condemn these acts? your silence on this question will be my answer if you don’t…

          • BobRumba

            Some people are alcoholics. Does that mean you ban alcohol?

          • George

            most alcoholics don’t go around bombing and shooting people in the name of their god….

          • BobRumba

            Hmmmm…..neither do most Muslims.

          • George

            but do they denounce isis, boko, and all other terrorist acts? answer me this. if you are a muslim, tell me you condemn these factions/acts. and even most muslims silently agree with islam being advanced by any necessary means. that’s why all muslims are a potential threat to our way of life. why don’t they stay in their sharia law countries? they can practice their wife beating etc there.

          • BobRumba

            ??? No, I am not a Muslim. And of course every single Muslim I’ve ever encountered denounces Isis and Boko.

            Has it occurred to you that maybe they moved here to ESCAPE from sharia law? And Isis?

          • George

            would a westerner going to live in a muslim country be allowed to practice his/her Christian faith there freely?

          • BobRumba

            Well, that would depend on what country you’re talking about.

            Seriously, it’s this all-or-nothing mentality that I’m finding so hard to comprehend.

          • George

            “Seriously, it’s this all-or-nothing mentality that I’m finding so hard to comprehend.”
            If that’s the case, you would have to apply your belief to these countries-
            iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, northern sudan, Saudi Arabia, all these for a fact don’t welcome practicing Christians. So why should us westerners be exempt for not allowing practicing muslims?
            I just want one more answer from you. why is it ok for those nations to discriminate and not us?

          • BobRumba

            You’re not factoring in the governments of those countries. There are many other Muslim countries with less oppressive regimes in place which would allow Christians to practice. I never said it was OK for them to discriminate. But two wrongs don’t make a right.

          • George

            I have gotten to know an Iranian refugee family (were neither Christian nor muslim) and a family from south sudan and a man from ambon. all have fled because of islam and the muslim population. All three groups have expressed to me their concern as to why our country (Australia) is letting muslims in. its the very reason they left their countries. The Sudanese family have told me that it is always a potential danger to allow a muslim population grow.
            Would you argue with these poor afflicted people? what would you tell joseph (Sudanese husband) who lost relatives to muslims?
            Statistics show that muslim families/cultures have way more children than most westerners.

          • Amos Moses

            Most of the KKK were southern Democrats and were CINO, christian in name only.

          • BobRumba

            No True Scotsman fallacy. Some of you don’t even consider Catholics to be Christians.

          • Amos Moses

            There is no “no true scotsman fallacy”, that is a fallacy. There are some Catholics that are christians, but no all Catholics are christians. So what?

            What the KKK believed was not biblical and therefore they were not christians.

            Anything further?

          • BobRumba

            No, it is a very real fallacy and you are guilty of it all over again in your last post. You are attempting to define who is and who is not a “true Christian” using your own definition and preferences. The KKK believed they were Christians and would say they followed the Bible. You disagree. So who is right? Who gets who define who is and who isn’t a “true Christian”? You?

          • Amos Moses

            “No, it is a very real fallacy ”

            No, it really made up garbage by people who have no facts.

          • BobRumba

            I suppose you could Google “logical fallacies” to see that they are very real and avoided by logicians, but I suppose that would require too much effort.

            But let me ask you this, even if you are going to reject logical fallacies completely, who gets to define what a real Christian is? You?

          • Amos Moses

            Well, sorry to tell you, not everything you find on the internets is fact based. And if you want to argue about scripture then you should have facts about scripture to argue effectively.

            “who gets to define what a real Christian is? You?”

            i have already answered this question. We are given FULL AUTHORITY to do so, EVEN THE SMALLEST MATTER…………………..
            1 Corinthians 5 & 6

            6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

            6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
            6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
            6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

          • BobRumba

            “We are given full authority…”

            Fine, but who is “we”? You keep dancing around this issue. You as Christians can’t agree with each other about anything.

          • Amos Moses

            “Fine, but who is “we”?”

            Ah, we is not you. “We” are the body of Christ, the ecclesia, the believers in Christ, who we have come to recognize that we have offended by our sins, the violations of His laws, and recognizing that, have been given the gift of repentance, and then have put our faith in Him to forgive those violations of His law, our sins.

            Did you get all that, because that is the Gospel?

            “You as Christians can’t agree with each other about anything.”

            That is not a requirement of salvation. Do all scientists or a-theists agree…?

            NO! So what is your point?

          • BobRumba

            “Ah, we is not you. “We” are the body of Christ, the ecclesia, the believers in Christ blah blah blah”

            Yes, I understand all that, you’re the ones the true chosen children of God, the true believers, the absolute followers, the inheritors of the kingdom, yadda yadda yadda. I’ve heard it all a million times.

            What you ARE NOT saying that there are people who see themselves as EVERY BIT the true believers, absolute followers, etc., who have such enormous differences in their doctrine (even though you claim to be following the same Bible) that you don’t even consider them to be Christians, at all, and vice versa.

            It’s very skilled tap dancing you are doing in this discussion. Almost like when someone asks you how you settle a doctrinal difference with someone of a different faith and you say “We look to the Bible for God’s answer.” Well, DUH. That’s a TOTAL cheat as an answer though, and you KNOW it, because yes, you’re looking to the Bible, but you are UNDERSTANDING ITS WORDS DIFFERENTLY. Christian A and Christian B can’t agree. ONE of them has to be wrong! Which one?

            Do scientists agree? Not always, but at least when they don’t agree they don’t tell each other that they’re not “true scientists”.

            The No True Scotsman fallacy in action, sir, and you’re a major participant. Well done.

          • Amos Moses

            “You are attempting to define who is and who is not a “true Christian” using your own definition and preferences”

            No, the bible defines it and it gives believers FULL AUTHORITY to decide who is and who is not.

            FAIL! Try again.

          • BobRumba

            No, that’s what you’re doing. Someone fits the definition of Christian only when it is convenient for whatever argument you are making at the time.

            Funny isn’t it how all Christians use the Bible, but they all accuse opposing denominations of not interpreting it correctly. Seems to me you guys need to get your beliefs more in line with each other before you cast stones at everyone else.

          • Amos Moses

            “Someone fits the definition of Christian only when it is convenient for whatever argument you are making at the time.”

            No, when they do not fit what the bible says it is.

            FAIL! Try again.

          • BobRumba

            These aren’t fails. Not one thing I have said has been a “fail”, and furthermore, it’s entirely verifiable online with the slightest bit of effort on your part. Effort, I should add, which you clearly are not interested in expending.

            There are MANY Christian denominations, all of them insist they are right and the others are wrong. They very probably would say that YOU are it an “actual Christian” because you interpret some bit of scripture differently than they do. It’s kind of comical, actually, when you consider all the Bible versions, translations, retranslations, etc.

            You are absolutely, 100% saying that you are the right kind of Christian, and they are wrong. Guaranteed. And they are doing it right back to you.

          • Amos Moses

            “These aren’t fails. ”

            They are gigantic, huge, monumental fails.

            “There are MANY Christian denominations, all of them insist they are right and the others are wrong”

            And as a nonbeliever you have no position to judge any of them.

            “It’s kind of comical, actually, when you consider all the Bible versions, translations, retranslations, etc.”

            And you believe a “no true scotsman fallacy” and you trot out that canard.

            Again, gigantic, huge, monumental fails.

          • BobRumba

            “They are gigantic, huge, monumental fails.”

            Gee, and there they are, right on the internet, instantly verifiable. I think admitting you can be proven wrong is the first step in admitting that you actually ARE.

            “And as a nonbeliever you have no position to judge any of them.”

            I didn’t say I WAS a nonbeliever, but what’s the difference? If I’m not the same exact denomination as you are, you likely wouldn’t consider me a Christian anyway, never mind a believer. Nice convenient set of rules you’ve set up for yourself, Mr. No True Scotsman.

            “And you believe a “no true scotsman fallacy” and you trot out that canard.”

            Canard? No, what it is is your problem that you don’t want to look at. How do you expect Christianity to be taken seriously when you can’t agree with each other about anything – not about denomination, not about translation, not about doctrine, not about the afterlife? You want to talk about gigantic, huge, monumental fails? That’s them right there. Work them out and THEN you can start to tell “unbelievers” they are wrong.

          • Amos Moses

            “Gee, and there they are, right on the internet, instantly verifiable. I think admitting you can be proven wrong is the first step in admitting that you actually ARE.”

            So why can you not admit you are wrong about God/Christ? The answer is…… wait for it….


          • BobRumba

            Nope, not pride. A little matter called lack of evidence. And without evidence, your story is a pretty tough one to swallow. Talking snakes?

            Not to mention the SMALL matter of the Bible being “God breathed”. Yeah. Let me write a book and tell you God “breathed” it and let’s see who believes me.

          • Amos Moses

            “Nope, not pride. A little matter called lack of evidence. ”

            Nope, because the person with the evidence is Christ…… and your pride gets in the way of asking.

            So, Pride.

          • BobRumba

            Christ is welcome to come down and present his evidence any time he likes. In person.

          • Amos Moses

            He did, or were you not PAYING ATTENTION.

          • BobRumba

            Really? Did anyone take pictures or get interviews?

          • Amos Moses

            The bible is the testimony of the witnesses to it.

          • BobRumba

            People witnessed God talking to them?

          • Amos Moses

            Yes, they did…….. and if you knew scripture you would not ask such a question.

            But that does not fit with your agenda.

            A bit of advice…… when you are walking on eggs it is best not to hop.

          • BobRumba

            These days, there is a place they put people who claim God talks to them. But you knew this.

          • Amos Moses

            These days God still talks to us……..through the bible.

          • BobRumba

            That would be quite a trick. A 2000 year old book can do that, huh? Most people I know BECAME atheists after reading it.

          • Amos Moses

            And for good reason, that is what God wanted. Mission accomplished.

          • Amos Moses

            Well, be tolerant of it in your neighborhood.

            Tell me, how do you be “tolerant” of a person, of whatever stripe, burning people alive, where ever they happen to be, or what those being burned alive believe?

            Could you explain that for me?

            i thought not.

          • BobRumba

            No one is tolerant of people who burn others alive. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • Amos Moses

            Well reason reigns and “tolerance” is a lie. Amen and thank you for playing.

          • gizmo23

            BoKo Haram is here! Nigeria is Africa so the USA doesn’t really care.

          • Amos Moses

            Boko Haram is made up of the same people, Muslims, who want Sharia law here, not the constitution we are supposed to be under. FYI, Muslims are burning christians alive in other places besides Africa, like the Syria, where many Muslims are “fleeing” so that they can spread HERE.

            But many seem to think we should be “tolerant” and import that.

          • gizmo23

            You are absurd

          • Amos Moses

            So you can’t refute it and you call names, that is an ad hominem attack. No intellect, just name calling.

          • gizmo23

            I have not heard of any Boko Haram here. No mass cutting of heads off. No sharia court cases or punishments. No burning Christians alive. Who said we should import terrorist?
            Why do you keep bringing up other countries this is the USA.
            Your statements are absurd

          • Amos Moses

            “Who said we should import terrorist?”
            Well lets see…. How about Obama. And just for giggles, how do you “vet” a person who seeks to come here, who is intent on committing acts of terror, just has not done it yet as they were told not to until they got here? Remember the recent Paris attacks?

            How the US plans to welcome 10000 Syrian refugees @ businessinsider dot com
            Obama Increases Number of Syrian Refugees for U.S. Resettlement to 10,000 – and
            Paris Attacks Intensify Debate Over How Many Syrian Refugees to US @ nytimes dot com

            Why do you keep bringing up other countries this is the USA.

            Why do you not? Does not fit your agenda, thats why…………………

          • Amos Moses

            Minnesota seeks money to keep Somali youth from joining ISIS…

            But we should ….what…… “be tolerant”? Until when exactly?

          • Amos Moses

            Eagan Man Suspected of Aiding Terrorists Appears in Court | KSTP …
            9 Dec 2015 … A 20-year-old Somali-American from Eagan was arrested by the FBI Wednesday … several men began conspiring to travel to Syria to join, and fight with, ISIS. …. Minnesota Groups Seek Money to Keep Youths from Extremism …

            Again, how “tolerant” are we to be………… And for how long?

          • BobRumba

            There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world.

            If they were all violent extremists, do you think we’d still be here?

          • Amos Moses

            So if say 10% were violent then that comes to how many …….. wait a minute… doing the math ……… 130 million who are violent worldwide…… sorry, that does not make me feel a whole lot better ……. but lets say 1% are violent …. wait a minute ….. doing the math …… that comes to 1.3 million worldwide…… sorry, still does not make me feel better ……. Gee, who could tell us the truth?

            Maybe a Muslim might ……………………… you know, from the horses mouth.
            All Muslims Agree Murder Is Ok – Moderate Muslim Peace Conference on the youtube machine – triple dub (dot) youtube (dot)com/watch?v=anar9vIGGiY

          • George

            amos, this gizmo could very well be muslim….

          • Amos Moses

            i am not sure what he is, other than confused……………

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Amen – mine too, Amos!

      • Amos Moses

        I guess we should ban the “Marine’s Hymn” because it mentions Tripoli and references the battle against Muslim pirates taking hostages there, because it is “vile” and i guess “racist and bigoted” also.

        • gizmo23

          You people come on here and spout Muslims are destroying the country, they are going to cut our heads off, they will kill us all and Obama is one of them, blah, blah blah. If all of them are as you say why not kill them first? I never hear any solutions just whining and hate for an entire culture.
          For the 10 th time What is your solution?

          • Amos Moses

            “You people come on here and spout Muslims are destroying the country, they are going to cut our heads off, they will kill us all and Obama is one of them, blah, blah blah.”

            First, “you people”? Just who are “you people”? And in case you have not been reading lately………………..That is EXACTLY what they are doing. They do not want to come to ‘Merica to live under our laws, they want to bring Sharia here………. and by an overwhelming majority, even second and third generational Muslims.

            What color is the sky in your world?

            ” I never hear any solutions just whining and hate for an entire culture.”

            A culture of death is nothing to rejoice or look forward to having.

            “For the 10 th time What is your solution?”

            What is yours, an early grave and to have your women groped and raped?

          • gizmo23

            You are sick. Muslims have lived in this country for 200 years at least.
            Live in fear if you wish

          • Amos Moses

            “You are sick.”

            Yeah, that answers eveything…………………….

          • George

            muslims love cop outs like you….

          • afchief

            Gizmo you have to STOP thinking like a liberal and start using critical thinking skills i.e. rational thought and logic. WHY have Muslims been peaceful here in America? As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

            United States Muslim 1.0%
            Australia Muslim 1.5%
            Canada Muslim 1.9%
            China Muslim 1%-2%
            Italy Muslim 1.5%
            Norway Muslim 1.8%

            At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

            Denmark Muslim 2%
            Germany Muslim 3.7%
            United Kingdom Muslim 2.7%
            Spain Muslim 4%
            Thailand Muslim 4.6%

            From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

            They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

            France Muslim 8%
            Philippines Muslim 5%
            Sweden Muslim 5%
            Switzerland Muslim 4.3%
            The Netherlands Muslim 5.5%
            Trinidad &Tobago Muslim 5.8%

            At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

            When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam Mohammed cartoons).

            Guyana Muslim 10%
            India Muslim 13.4%
            Israel Muslim 16%
            Kenya Muslim 10%
            Russia Muslim 10-15%

            After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

            Ethiopia Muslim 32.8%

            At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

            Bosnia Muslim 40%
            Chad Muslim 53.1%
            Lebanon Muslim 59.7%

            From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

            Albania Muslim 70%
            Malaysia Muslim 60.4%
            Qatar Muslim 77.5%
            Sudan Muslim 70%

            After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

            Bangladesh Muslim 83%
            Egypt Muslim 90%
            Gaza Muslim 98.7%
            Indonesia Muslim 86.1%
            Iran Muslim 98%
            Iraq Muslim 97%
            Jordan Muslim 92%
            Morocco Muslim 98.7%
            Pakistan Muslim 97%
            Palestine Muslim 99%
            Syria Muslim 90%
            Tajikistan Muslim 90%
            Turkey Muslim 99.8%
            United Arab Emirates Muslim 96%

            100% will usher in the peace of Dar-es-Salaam the Islamic House of Peace theres supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

            Afghanistan Muslim 100%
            Saudi Arabia Muslim 100%
            Somalia Muslim 100%
            Yemen Muslim 99.9%

            Of course, thats not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

            Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. Leon Uris, The Haj

            It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Man, that is one of your best posts ever, Chief – thanks for putting the time into that! I have seen similar analyses elsewhere – good work.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I think that when Gizmo said “you people,” he was showing the latent racist tendencies of the Left, Amos. 🙂

          • BobRumba

            He was doing nothing of the kind, and that is a particularly evil little seed for you to be planting. Gizmo might be many things but racist he is not.

          • George

            the common sense solution is to deport any one who does not agree with our western values. imagine in world war 2, nations were letting Nazis immigrate into their countries. Actually, America even deported many japs at that time. facts are, most muslims believe you and I are dogs, they just wont overtly admit it.
            Most muslims are playing into our political correctness to advance their cause. At the end of the day, Christians want to see their belief advanced, well, so do muslims….

          • gizmo23

            So dissent will be punished and dissenters crushed. Where have I heard that before ?

          • The Last Trump

            The liberal left?

          • afchief

            Common sense is to stop ALL immigration of Muslims to our country. There is NO WAY to vet these people and our government KNOWS it. Use your head Gizmo. Read the koran! It is hate speech!It It advocates crimes. A moderate Muslim won’t behead you. He just nods approvingly when someone else does.

            These people will NOT assimilate into our culture. They are not here to be an American. They are here to populate and eventually take over.

      • rick

        F-off Gitmo……you idiots at OFA need to put out a better troll product……the only people you’re fooling with your fake up-voting ……is yourselves.

        • gizmo23

          So big shot what is your solution besides whining?

          • rick

            “My solution”…. to what?

            If the Moslem in Chief wants to go Mosquin’ I don’t G.A.F…..as for you being a low quality troll product?…..That’s easy…..get yourself a 5 gallon bucket, fill it with water and soak your head in it – shoulder deep, including the entire neck, for about an hour…….that’ll solve all your troubles.

          • gizmo23

            Spoken like a true Christian. Wishing death on people

          • rick

            Cry me a river Betty, amazing how fast you become the victim…..LMAO@U……

          • Nidalap

            Is that projecting or just stereotyping? 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha! Gizmo is rooting out “hatred” and “intolerance” by hating and being intolerant of Christians. 🙂

            How’s your New Year going, Nidalap?

          • Nidalap

            Not too shabby, all things considered! How about yourself? 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Really good! Making progress on the American Theocracy. 🙂 Did you see where Valri got banned from here? Then she reappeared as several more trolls when Trump and I were discussing her, and Trump smoked her right out. (Waiting for one of Val’s sock puppets to post in reply. :-))

          • Nidalap

            Saw some of the posts around it. So that’s what went down! Wowzers! Must’ve been pretty vile to actually get the boot! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You know what’s weird? She and I actually had a few really civil posts, one where I proved to her that I did not satisfy the early 20th century definition of fundie. I thought she was making progress, but then she got banned, or something happened to her. I was actually feeling sorry for her until her sock puppets started stalking me.

            Earlier, I tossed her an up-vote, and she went all “Val” on me. No good deed goes unpunished. 🙂

            This is a pretty interesting thread we are on right here – Amos Moses has brought up some good points.

          • Nidalap

            Yeppity-yep! He seems to be pretty solid!
            As to the civil posts with Val, sometimes it’s easy to get caught up in the whole “us” versus “them” tug-of-war. It can be hard to remember that they’re victims of forces beyond their ken…

          • gizmo23

            Isn’t calling a person a troll the same as cursing at them?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Not if it is a matter of fact. Was Jesus cursing when He called people like you a brood of vipers?

          • gizmo23

            So now I’m a viper. Good to know you believe you are God. Wonderful. Please never be near anyone I know

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “So now I’m a viper.”

            Don’t blame me – take it up with Jesus. His words.

            “Good to know you believe you are God. ”

            Nope, but I know Him. You should get acquainted with Him yourself. He is amazing!

            “Please never be near anyone I know”

            Oh, same for me too. In fact, please stay away from children, other than your fellow liberals. And if you do not like getting tough answers back from your silly questions, you should consider thinking more carefully before posting.

            3 questions for you, Giz:

            1. Why do you side with online stalkers and against those being stalked?
            2. Why do you side with abortion and against those fighting it?
            3. Why do you side with atheism against Christianity?

            One possible answer:

            “Woe to those who call evil good
            and good evil,
            who put darkness for light
            and light for darkness,
            who put bitter for sweet
            and sweet for bitter.
            Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
            and clever in their own sight.
            Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
            and champions at mixing drinks,
            who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
            but deny justice to the innocent.” Isaiah 5:20-23

          • gizmo23


          • Nidalap

            Fo reelz! 🙂

          • afchief

            A little harsh don’t you think. Yes this person is a troll and adds nothing to the conversation, but you do not have to be rude.

          • rick

            I’m sorry……I don’t know what came over me…..from now on it’s “tolerance and co-existence” every time………


          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Probably an atheist troll trying to make Christians look bad. Happens all the time elsewhere.

          • gizmo23

            Thanks afchief for the defense

          • afchief

            This person is no Christian. I may speak the hard truths and facts but I will not be rude to you. We Christians are supposed to love at all times.

            1 Corinthians 13:4-8 (NASB) Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

            8 Love never fails;

    • BobRumba

      “Those into homosexuality”?? Really???

      You make it sound like a habit or something.

  • afchief

    Obama is Neither Inept Nor Inexperienced – He is Diabolical and Every Action is Calculated

    By Geri Ungurean

    It is time for Americans to understand what makes Obama tick. I have read so many articles on his failed presidency, and how he is just not up for the job; just doesn’t have the skills to lead. I say to these writers – you really do not understand what is happening. You are so naive. WAKE UP!

    Barack Hussein Obama is a Marxist/Socialist New World Order puppet of the Elite i.e. George Soros and his ilk. He has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood – the granddaddy of all Middle Eastern terrorist organizations.

    Is he a Muslim? I believe he is. But his mission as president of the U.S. is really not complex. Let’s look back at his “accomplishments” and find his end game.

    1. He went on an apology tour to the Middle East, telling leaders that America has done wrong, but we will improve our behavior going forward.

    2. Has has continually amassed an incredible amount of debt upon our country – so much so, that our children (if we are still here) will be paying for this, and their children as well. The national debt as of today is nearly 19 trillion dollars. Staggering.

    3. He immediately appointed communist individuals as his so-called “Czars.” Many of these people were so outrageously anti-American; Obama had to ask them to step down.

    4. He appointed devout Muslims to sensitive positions in the the DHS and State department. The PC crowd tipped their hats to him for this courageous move. Those of us with brains knew that these appointments were nefarious and completely foreign to our American way.

    5. He was directly involved in the “Arab Spring” along with Mohamed Morsi (head of the Muslim Brotherhood). His goal was to unseat secular leaders of Arabic countries, and replace them with fundamentalist Muslims like Morsi. Sharia law was the goal. We saw how well that worked out for him in Egypt. He was the cause of the chaos that is in Libya today because he wanted Qadafi out – no questions asked.

    6. He utterly pulled out of Iraq, against the advice of his generals that this would leave a dangerous vacuum. We know that this is partially how ISIS was born. Calculated? What do you think?

    7. He armed the Syrian rebels fighting Assad. Most of these so -called rebels are made up of ISIS members. Why do you think that so many of them are using our arms, ammunition and tanks? It’s not rocket science.

    8. He did an about face on the gay marriage issue in his second term. The only group that he entertained in the White House more than Muslim Brotherhood was the LGBT gang. He vowed to them his support in making gay marriage legal throughout the nation. He was successful.

    9. He told the world that America is not a Christian nation.

    10. He has used every mass shooting (there have been more under his reign then ever before in history) as a platform for stricter gun regulations. Many feel that this points to his ultimate goal of a massive gun grab.

    11. He refuses to use the terms “Radical Islamic terrorism” even when the evidence is overwhelming, he backs off those words at all cost.

    12. He has demonized Christians, Patriots and Conservatives as “Enemies of the State.” Our first amendment has been on shaky ground for the last 8 years.

    13. He shoved Obamacare down the throats of Americans without the proper amount of support in Congress. This was not about healthcare – this WAS about control of the masses.

    14. He oversaw an unscrupulous IRS who targeted Conservative outfits who spoke out against his administration.

    15. He fired a massive number of Generals and Admirals from our military. One can only assume that these fine people would not agree or support that which he was doing to America. He has placed those in power who are yes men/women. He has dramatically reduced our military.

    16. He has executed his executive orders in such a deceptive way – always waiting for Congress to be out of session and usually on a Friday night.

    17. He has put so many restrictions on our border patrol, that these people cannot do their jobs efficiently

    18. After the massacre in Paris, he insisted that Terrorism is NOT the west’s most pressing concern. He had the audacity to say that Climate Change was far more pressing and dangerous to our planet.

    19. He has the mainstream media in his pocket. They might as well be called a political arm of his government. This is very “Hitleresque.”

    20. He is using perfect timing to let out the Gitmo terrorists in groups. He waits for big stories to overshadow his actions, and diverts the public’s attention as he strategically chooses which terrorists will be freed to other countries.

    21. He has treated PM Netanyahu worse than any president in history has treated a leader of Israel. He even tried to subvert the re-election of Netanyahu, but God had His own ideas about that. BHO has no idea what he is doing when he comes against God’s people Israel as he does.

    I could go on and on, but to proceed with this article and to attempt to find the common thread woven in and out of each of his anti-American actions, I must continue. Scanning the list of his “accomplishments” what do you think that Obama has been primed to do to our once great nation?

    He is a U.N. Man All the Way

    The body of the U.N. is made up mostly by sharia compliant countries. The U.N. is also setting up our planet for a New Word Order. Their Sustainable Development Goals have been put in place to that end. The Climate Change hoax is not about climate at all. It is about taking control of the economies of the world and ultimately their governments through the universal regulations imposed by the U.N.

    Open Borders is their goal. Nations cannot truly be nations without borders. Do you see that without borders, the dream of the One world government can truly come to fruition? Forced migration is another initiative of the U.N. We can all thank this demonic organization for the Syrian forced migration.

    America Stands in the Way

    I have read pieces by former U.N. members, who blow the whistle on the U.N. It is said that a free and armed America is standing in the way of the New World Order. Obama is taking care of this problem. We should watch out as his last term is coming to an end. I shudder to think of the things which are planned for us during this time.

    Obama has weakened America to the point of loosing our standing as the the most powerful nation on the earth. THIS was his goal. His handlers knew full well what they were doing when they primed this man for his job. He has carried out his orders from the top.

    I’m not completely convinced that we will have elections in 2016. Nothing will surprise me with this man. He is, as I said, diabolical

    I don’t know what is going to happen, but I do know this: God wants us to share Salvation with the lost. He wants us on our knees, praying to Him that His will be done.

    Keep looking up brethren. I don’t know when He is going to come, but it could be anytime. Come Lord Jesus……

    • Zero Dark Thirsty ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Again, you are MENTALLY ILL and a dying breed.. thank god!

      • afchief

        Ahhh yes, more proof that truth is the enemy of liberals!!!!

        He is at war with us.

        By Mario Murillo

        This article is not about Obama. He is mentioned in it. He is accused in it—he is the villain of it—but it is not about him. This article is about you and me. It is about facing the most horrible fact—we have had to face—since the Civil War.

        The man who occupies the White House is at war with us. He is not at war against ISIS. He is not at war against black poverty. He is not at war against unemployment. He is not at war against anything that threatens you. He is at war with you.

        The man who has the most power over Americans is actively working to destroy Americans. That is a bitter pill to swallow—but swallow it we must.

        But how do I convince you that he is at war against us? I struggled with this for a long time. Then I found an analogy that explains Obama’s destructive style. He acts like a man that has murdered his wife and is trying to cover it up.

        The husband is always the first suspect—no matter what. Detectives use a different set of eyes than you and I. The adoring faithful husband is defended by family, friends and neighbors. He has the perfect alibi. He has no history of violence.

        However, the police will not rule him out if he begins to act strangely. Say, he shows little sense of loss. He talks more about himself than he does his dead wife. If she is missing, he seems to be going through the motions of trying to find her.

        Obama’s reaction to the mass murder in Paris is a perfect example. It is the same, tired, brain-numbing non response to terror. He is sorry, but not really. He keeps up the appearance of a caring husband who—having done away with his wife—feigns sorrow. He has done this after every terror attack.

        Sherlock Holmes said, “How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?” When you eliminate the impossible about Obama here is what is left: He is motivated by hate. He hates America. He hates Christianity. He hates Israel.

        All of his policies carry this one universal criterion: How much it will damage the people I hate. Use that formula and all of the lights will suddenly go on. He blocks energy independence, a secure border, a jobs program or anything else that would better our lives.

        His foreign, environmental, economic, immigration, and educational, policies fail by design—not incompetence. He ruined our healthcare; enflames racial division; foments student unrest, and endangers the lives of police officers by design.

        He bullies Israel but gives billions to her mortal enemies.

        Here is what is really chilling: Even after it was proven that the killers in Paris were Syrian refugees, he will still force us to take in 100,000 Syrian refugees. Is he actually working toward terrorism here at home?

        His zeal to end America Israel and Christianity is so great—I seriously believe he would wreak havoc—declare martial law, stay in office beyond his current term—to finish the job.

      • George

        your just another liberal poofter who’ll probably end up being executed by the very people your defending…

  • RationalFearOfTerror

    Obama to meet with Muslims on 1st visit to US mosque=Neville Chamberlain to meet with Nazis on 1st visit to British Nazi rally

    It is a tragic shame for veterans and those in the field sacrificing their lives fighting against the infamy of the political and social constructs the Islamic/Muslim culture informs each and everyday to have their Commander in Chief visit the very cultural institution a Mosque which are the promoters/defenders of the very ethics-morals-values-beliefs-motivation and methodology which determines Other cultures as less and destined by Divine Vengeance-grievous harm and severest penalty delivered by Muslim hands.

    “Obama to meet with Muslims on 1st visit to US mosque”=Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery to meet with Nazis on 1st visit to British Nazi rally

    Shocking betrayal of US Veterans and those currently in the field as it is these so called non radicalised ‘moderate’ law abiding Islamic/Muslim families, communities, and institutions (mosques) creating and sustaining the so called radicalised to become the managers and perpetrators of Islamic/Muslim cultural derived infamy in Liberal Democratic streets as well as being exported to inform terror-genocide elsewhere.

  • Josey

    I am sick of hearing this man say, “this is not who we are”, he has no clue who we are, he has wiped his butt with the constitution and most importantly the word of God.

    • gizmo23

      Wow you sound just like Jesus don’t you ?

    • BobRumba

      Would you like to see him destroying a few more human beings, Josey?

  • thelordlives2011

    Sure he will visit with them. He is one of them.

  • thelordlives2011

    Sure he is going to visit them. His worldview is just like them.

    • Chip01

      Is it that he’s one of them or just like them?
      Your hysteria seems to have confused you

  • Chip01

    Oh boy!!

    Religious Freedom should tell us this isn’t news.

    Yet mass hysteria within a small but confused conservative republican group will once again prevail.

    • gizmo23

      Just read the posts here!

  • Reason2012

    It’s the muslims they need to be talking to.

    1/01/2008, Irving, TX – A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their ‘Western’ lifestyle.

    7/06/2008, Jonesboro, GA – A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.

    2/12/2009, Buffalo, NY – The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.

    4/12/2009, Phoenix, AZ – A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.

    6/01/2009, Little Rock, AR – A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.

    11/02/2009, Glendale, AZ – A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too ‘Westernized.’ (10-20-09)

    11/05/2009, Ft. Hood, TX – A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.

    12/04/2009, Binghamton, NY – A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for ‘persecuted’ Muslims.

    4/14/2010, Marquette Park, IL – After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to ‘take them back to Allah’ and out of the ‘world of sinners’.

    4/30/2011, Warren, MI – A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.

    9/11/2011, Waltham, MA – Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.

    1/15/2012, Houston, TX – A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim.

    3/12/2012, El Cajon, California Devout Muslim Husband kills wife and stages it to blame Islamophobia

    2/07/2013, Buena Vista, NJ – A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.3/24/2013, Ashtabula, OH – A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.

    4/15/2013, Boston, MA – Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as ‘very religious’ detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.

    4/19/2013, Boston, MA – Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.

    8/04/2013, Richmond, CA – A convert “on a mission from Allah” stabs a store clerk to death.3/6/2014, Port Bolivar, TX – A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.

    4/27/2014, Skyway, WA – A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.

    6/01/2014, Seattle, WA – Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.

    6/25/2014, West Orange, NJ – A 19-year-old college student is shot to death ‘in revenge’ for Muslim deaths overseas.

    9/25/2014, Moore, OK – A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.

    6/03/2015, Boston Islamist Usaama Rahim attacks policemen with long knife; his brother in the Islamic Society of Boston presided over funeral ceremonies for Boston Bomber.

    7/16/2015, Chattanooga, TN – A ‘devout Muslim’ stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.

    • gizmo23

      How about a list of people that have claimed God told them to kill someone. That list would be huge.
      Any evil in any god’s name is evil

      • Reason2012

        Feel free to cite proof of any such cases in modern day of people killing others because Jesus Christ told them to, not some false religion and cite where in the Bible it commands them in their personal lives to go around killing others. Because in there Bible there’s no such cases of Jesus telling us to kill others, but instead quite the opposite. I’ve cited proof those who follow specifically Islam continue to kill in the name of islam.

        Here are the commands of islam that tell individuals throughout their personal lives they are to deceive and kill Christians and/or those who do not believe as they do:

        I would think again: islam is a political system of domination via hate and murder, disguised as a religion by religious-sounding bits thrown in. Read the parts that clearly demands such hateful murder of everyone who claims to be a muslim:

        I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them – (8:39)

        Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)

        Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)

        Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

        O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? (4:144)

        O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)

        They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary (5:17)

        For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)

        O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. (9:123)

        The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30)

        Listen not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the utmost strenuousness. (25:52)

        Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)

        Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (66:9, See also 9:73)

        …He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33-34)

        Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace… (9:14)

        And fight them until there is no more ftna (unbelief, worshipping others beside Allah), and religion is all for Allah… (8:39)

        We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

        Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

        O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence (8:65)

        Not equal are those of the believers who sit at home… and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives” (4:95)

        Thank you for posting.

  • Nidalap

    Just to prove his all-inclusiveness, he should give his speech on the contributions of homosexuals while he’s up there too! 🙂

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Incoming stalkers your way, Nidalap! 🙂

      • Nidalap

        Aww! So nice to be wanted! 🙂

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Matthew 5:10-12.

  • Reason2012

    He avoids pointing out how Christians have founded this country but will now start trying to point out the contributions of muslims – of course leaving out how they continue to kill others even here in America in the name of what islam commands them to do.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Obama is not a Christian. He has no standing before God, except as a sinner who has rejected the Truth. His words are the words of unbelief. Those who follow him follow the path to Destruction.

    Follow Jesus, find Salvation.