Muslim Man, Omar Mateen, ID’d as Murderer in ‘Gay’ Nightclub Shooting That Left 50 Dead

Police cars and fire trucks are seen outside the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, June 12, 2016. Orlando Police Department/Handout via REUTERS
Police cars and fire trucks are seen outside the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, June 12, 2016. Orlando Police Department/Handout via REUTERS

(Reuters) — A gunman killed 50 people and injured 53 in a crowded gay nightclub in the tourist hub of Orlando, Florida, early on Sunday before being shot dead by police, authorities said, in what appeared the deadliest mass shooting in American history.

The shooter was identified as Omar S. Mateen, a man that a senior FBI official said might have had leanings toward Islamic State militants. Officials described the attack as a “terrorism incident” though cautioned that the suspected Islamist connection required further investigation.

The death toll given by Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer and police to reporters made the attack the deadliest single shooting incident in U.S. history, eclipsing the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech university, which left 32 dead.

“Today we’re dealing with something that we never imagined and is unimaginable,” Dyer said. Recalling earlier estimates that 20 people had been killed, he added, “It is with great sadness I share that we not have 20 but 50 casualties (dead), in addition to the shooter. There are another 53 …hospitalized.”

A police officer working as a security guard inside the Pulse nightclub, which has operated in downtown Orlando since 2004, exchanged fire with the suspect at about 2 a.m. EDT, police officials said.

A hostage situation quickly developed, and three hours later a squad of officers stormed the club and shot dead the gunman. It was unclear when the gunman shot the victims.

“Do we consider this an act of terrorism? Absolutely, we are investigating this from all parties’ perspective as an act of terrorism,” said Danny Banks, special agent in charge of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. “Whether that is domestic terrorist activity or an international one, that is something we will certainly get to the bottom of.”

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When asked if the FBI suspected the gunman might have had inclinations toward militant Islam, including a possible sympathy for Islamic State, Ronald Hopper, an assistant FBI agent in charge, told reporters: “We do have suggestions that the individual may have leanings toward that particular ideology. But right now we can’t say definitively.”

The FBI said it was still trying to pin down whether the mass shooting was a hate crime against gays or a terrorist act.

President Barack Obama ordered the federal government to provide any assistance needed to Florida police investigating the shooting, the White House said in a statement.

The attacker was carrying an assault rifle and a handgun, Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said. He was also carrying an unidentified “device”, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said earlier.

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  • Amos Moses

    Can’t say it enough ………. “Tolerance” chickens coming home to roost ……….. not like we have not told them and told them this was coming ……… “Tolerance” to Islam …… “Tolerance” to homosexual “marriage” ………. “Tolerance” to trannys using whatever bathroom they choose …… Islam and homosexuality do not bring Gods judgement …………. IT IS Gods Judgement ………. Praying that at least a few found Christ before a bullet found them ……………. but these are the CONSEQUENCES of the “Tolerance” of EVIL in our midst …………….

    • Ronald Carter

      I’m not clear on what you’re saying, Amos. Are you blaming this tragedy on Islam? Or on tolerance towards homosexuals?

      • Amos Moses

        Learn to parse ……………….. i blame all who are “Tolerant” of evil ………….

        • Ronald Carter

          Are you defining homosexuality as evil, or Islam? Or both?

          • Amos Moses

            Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque – WFTV 9 Orlando Report
            youtube;com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ (Replace the ; with a period)

            Looks to me like i do not have to ………….. this Imam speaking in ORLANDO has defined it …………… from Apr 6, 2016 ………. but it is just a coincidence ……. right ……..

            Evil in your midst caused this ……………. nothing else …….. except blind ignorance and “Tolerance” ………..

          • Ronald Carter

            How about answering my question now?

          • Amos Moses

            Watch the video ……… and i did answer your question ……….. they ARE BOTH EVIL ………… learn to parse ………………

          • Ronald Carter

            How evil were these innocent homosexuals who were murdered in cold blood?

          • Amos Moses

            Sorry to inform you ………….. they were not innocent ………….. and you encourage them in their depravity ……………. so if you want to blame anyone ……….. see yourself for an answer to that question ………

            FYI, i have a nephew, in Orlando, and he particularly likes that club to “hang out at” ….. he was not there last night ……….. lucky for him ……….. by Gods/Christs GRACE he was not there ……….. hopefully he will come to understand the danger he is now in ……………… not just to his own bodily safety ……… but the danger to his eternal soul …………..

          • Ronald Carter

            They were not innocent? How can you say that? How can you a) judge and b) condemn people you know nothing about other than their sexuality, and even that’s not necessarily accurate since straight people are also known to go to gay clubs?

          • Amos Moses

            Their claim to that sexuality is enough ………. and they were there ……… and it is a well known homosexual hangout ……… thats why the guy went there ……….

            “and even that’s not necessarily accurate since straight people are also known to go to gay clubs?”

            Sure ………….. and that makes them also not innocent …… actually no one is innocent …… not even me ……… not even you …….. does not make what this guy Mateen did right ……….. but seriously …….. if the people who were killed ………. were someplace else and not endorsing this behavior with their presence ………. much less likely anything would have happened to them ….. they would still be here …….. but they were not ……….. behaviors have consequences …………….

          • Ronald Carter

            After reading all that with my mouth hanging wide open, all I can say is I’m sincerely glad I don’t share values like yours and never learned hatred from someone purporting to be a Christian faith.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            ROMANS.9:13 = As it is written, “Jacob I hv loved, but Esau I hv hated.”

          • Amos Moses

            Not hatred …….. but i can see you seeing it that way …………. they made choices ……… choices have consequences …… they chose to be homosexual and despite news …… continually ……. of Muslim mistreatment of homosexuals ……… throwing them off roofs and such ……… and a large influx of Muslims into this country ………. because we are so “Tolerant” …….. this was bound to happen ……… many christians have been warning about it since before the whole homosexual “marriage” ruling ……….. and it continues to be ignored ……… and this is the result of the “Tolreance” of Evil ………. both homosexual and Muslim ………. the truth of the reality is not hatred ………. but you go ahaed and spin it anyway you please ……… this won’t be the last ……… though it may be the first …… in this country anyway ………………………………..

          • Amos Moses

            Keep lighting matches around gasoline …………… feces will occur ……………….. behaviors and choices have consequences ………………

          • Ronald Carter

            The feces is what you are speaking.

          • Amos Moses

            “feces will occur ”

            in the colloquial “$#!+ happens” ………………. keep lighting matches around gasoline ……….. CONSEQUENCES will flow ………………

          • Amos Moses

            by MILO

            And you support this ………… you know you do ……………….

          • Ronald Carter

            I do NOT support this.

          • Amos Moses

            You support Muslim immigration …………. you support homosexual rights and “marriage” and are so worried about their depravity ……… and you see what has been reaped for the seeds that were sown in that depravity ……. but you did not support that ………………. WOW ……………. AGAIN ……….. how do you keep such contradictory information in your skull without our head exploding ………………

          • Ronald Carter

            The reason for this tragedy can be summed up in one word:


            If you are an extremist of ANY faith, you are not capable of being reasonable.

          • Amos Moses

            So your fundamental faith in A-theism prevents you from reasoning ………… i see ……….. that explains a lot …………

          • Ronald Carter

            Atheism is not a faith and there are no fundamentals in it. Either you believe in a higher power or you don’t. Nothing prevents me from reasoning.

          • Amos Moses

            “Atheism is not a faith and there are no fundamentals in it.”

            A-theism is a faith ………….. and its god is Darwin …… or Dawkins ……. or science …….. or …… (do you ever watch Game of Thrones) ……… the many face god ……. so basically …… you believe in nothing ……….. and it brings you there everytime ……….. to nothing ………. because there is no reason to believe anything else ………. and it is fundamentally bankrupt …..

            God keeps me from being fooled by the lies of other gods or the lies of men ……….. there really is no difference there ………. men or other gods …………. see, here is the thing ………… if i already have the truth ……… where is there to move …. but away from it …….

            So what you seem to think is reason ………. is just casting about …….. for what i already have ………….. Have fun with that ………..

          • Ronald Carter

            Atheism is a faith in the same way that baldness is a hair color. In other words, not at all.

          • Amos Moses

            You got it …………. so you admit you got nothing ……….. which is what i said …….. Thnx …..

          • Ronald Carter

            No, you said I had a faith. But thanks for confirming what I said, which is that I have nothing.

          • Amos Moses

            Yeah …….. a faith in nothing ………… and all it does is brings you back to it ……….. to nothing ……

          • Amos Moses

            Another night of drinking and dancing, until the shots began

            ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Like young people in clubs the world over, Jon Alamo met up with some friends, and then some more friends. He danced in Pulse’s main room, where people swayed to the beat of salsa music. Then Alamo drifted into the club’s two other rooms, which grooved to more of a hip-hop vibe. He remembers hearing Rihanna’s “Work,” one of his favorite songs, and grinding to it on the dance floor.

            It was supposed to be just a night of dancing and drinking, of looking good and gleefully partying into the early morning hours. It was Latin night at Pulse, one of Orlando’s top gay venues, and two drag performers were scheduled to perform, one of them a big draw for appearing on a season of the TV show “RuPaul’s Drag Race.”

            “I was in the zone,” Alamo recalled. “I wasn’t even paying attention — just dancing.”

            The 22-year-old clothing store sales clerk had arrived at the club at 10:30 p.m. Saturday, clad all in blue from his button-down shirt adorned with palm trees to his loafers. About three and a half hours later, the gunshots began and the first of at least 50 people began to die.

            Residents of the Delaney Court condos next door to Pulse first heard the shooting about 2:03 a.m. Marlon Massey was watching the movie “Creed” when he heard “pop, pop, pop!” He checked his phone for the time: The shots went on until 2:05 a.m.

            24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
            24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
            24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

          • Ronald Carter

            I have no words for how revolted I am by your self-righteous judgement.

            You honestly believe this massacre is God’s will.

          • Slidellman4life

            Guys, when is enough enough?

            This is such a sick and disgusting troll if you do not flag the living crap out of it and make Ronald Carter go away…..

          • Ronald Carter

            What is sick and disgusting is calling 50 murdered people evil sinners.
            I’m following the rules here and being entirely respectful. You’ve been a tireless censor since you started stalking and trolling me. Go away.

          • Slidellman4life

            I’m following the rules here and being entirely respectful.

            I am 100% certain those who have been following your comments on this site would beg to differ.

            The fact you are now playing this passive innocent is just another game. You think everyone here have short memories?

          • Ronald Carter

            100% certain, eh? What I see is a one man censorship campaign – and you’re trying to rally the villagers with torches and pitchforks. You’re not a moderator here and the lack of power eats away at you. Well, too bad. I know the moderators will see the situation for what it is. I meet every one of your little challenges head on and all you do is call me a liar and a troll and I am neither.

          • Slidellman4life

            I meet every one of your little challenges head on and all you do is call me a liar and a troll and I am neither.

            You know what I like about Disqus? The fact they will send to your e-mail a notification of any response to a comment you post.

            On Saturday, they sent me a notification for this comment:

            Ronald Carter

            Hey Matthew, hot off the presses. A vehemently anti-gay pastor caught doing guess what? Over 70 counts, wow. And he’s NOT Catholic!
            Maybe these are the sort of people you should be calling false Christians.
            7:54 p.m., Saturday June 11 | Other comments by Ronald Carter

            Now, this was posted in the story, “‘Together 2016’ Organizer Meets With ‘Pope Francis’ to Unite Christians, Catholics on National Mall,” in a thread over the statement Catholics and not Christians.

            Strangely, though, I went to look for it at the actual page, and guess what? I could not find it.

            I wonder why?

            Could it be because it had nothing at all to do with the subject of the thread? Or that the comment was worded as a deliberate poke at Christians, with the intent of provoking an angry response?

            Sorry, Ronnie, but you are a liar and a troll. This above post proves it.

            The only person that needs to go away is you.

          • Ronald Carter

            “I pull not find it. I wonder why?”

            So do I, considering that the article is there and opens up just fine for me. I am looking at it now. Could it be that you haven’t figured out that you can’t post links here, and so people put extra spaces in to allow the messages to be posted? Guess you didn’t notice the space before the dot in dot com which you have to remove if you want to read the story?

            This post proves nothing but your own inabilities.

          • Amos Moses

            No ………… God removed His hand of protection …………… and man did what men do when they do not respect God and His law ………. and the rest are the consequences for that bit of STUPIDITY ……………

          • StillBetter&Better

            The stupidity is all yours.

          • Amos Moses

            Sure …………. that settles everything ………….

          • StillBetter&Better

            Just using your logic.

          • Amos Moses

            You have no logic …………

          • Slidellman4life

            You can go straight to hell, Ronald, or whatever the hell your name is.

            No, Christians do not agree with homosexuality or the LGBTQW agenda. But you can bet your bottom dollar there is not a single, actual Christian that is condoning this. No, they are the ones praying. They are the ones that are out there talking with the families of the dead and those that are wounded, helping with food and money and even giving blood.

            And above all, we told you Muslims kill homosexuals.

            And here is your proof. All 49 of them.

          • Ronald Carter

            Leave me alone.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And some Christians I know personal keep wondering why I’m no longer religious. Go figure.

          • StillBetter&Better

            www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=EUOBFjRGvPI

  • Amos Moses

    “Today we’re dealing with something that we never imagined and is unimaginable,”

    Bovine Excrement ……………………… “Tolerance” to homosexuals ………… “Tolerance” to Islam ……. HOW could you NOT see this coming …………… Get your head out of that dark, dank place you have it shoved …………………………..

    • MattFCharlestonSC

      Shame on you. You are a horrible person, obviously incapable of empathy.

      • Amos Moses

        My empathy is for those who found Christ ………… not for those acting against Him …….

        • StillBetter&Better

          You are why we have a (thankfully) secular government.

          You’re no better than Mateen… you just don’t have his balls.

          • Amos Moses

            sure ……….. again ………… that settles everything …………… FYI, there is no difference between those who reject the True God of the bible (Muslims) and secularists ………… so keep your denial ………….. and i am well familiar with Mr. Anderson …….. does not mean i agree with him ……….. but homosexuals are killing themselves ………. we do not need to hasten their death ……………

          • StillBetter&Better

            I deny nothing… you’re just like he is you are just a coward.

          • Amos Moses

            Because ……………..

          • StillBetter&Better

            You’d LOVE to kill like he did… you’d LOVE to kill the same people… but you are a coward.

          • Amos Moses

            i want them to accept Christ and be saved ……… they cannot do that from the grave …… too late …………

          • StillBetter&Better

            And if they don’t?

            Oh… you’d love to be Mateen…

          • Amos Moses

            If they do not ………… they are killing themselves ………… why would i waste my time wasting them …….. i have better things to do with my time ……. like saving those who want to be saved …………….

          • StillBetter&Better

            Yes, I know what your mythology says…

          • Amos Moses

            No ………. SCIENCE says that …………. once AGAIN …………

            Obituraries numbering 6516 from 16 US homosexual journals over 12 years were compared to a large sample of obituaries from regular newspapers. The obituaries from the regular newspapers were similar to US averages for longevity, the median age of death of married men was 75, 80% of them died old, 65 or older. For unmarried or divorced men the median age of death was 57 and 32% of them died old.

            Married women averaged age 79 at death, 85% died old, and unmarried and divorced women averaged age 71, and 60% of them died old.

            However, the median age of death for homosexuals was virtually the same nationwide, and overall, less than 2% survived to old age. If AIDS was the cause of death, the median age was 39 years old. For the 829 homosexuals who died of something else besides AIDS, the median age was 42 years of age, and 9% died old. Of 163 lesbians, the median age was 44 years of age, and 20% died old. 2.8% of homosexuals died violently and they were 116 times more apt to be murdered, 24 times more apt to commit suicide, and had a traffic accident death rate 18 times greater than comparably aged white males. 20% of lesbians died of murder, suicide, or accident, a rate 487 times greater than that of white females aged 25 to 44.

          • StillBetter&Better

            Your mythology is not upheld by science. The Obit nonsense by Paul Cameron has been debunked mercilessly for years.

            Try again.

          • Amos Moses

            Debunked by whom of any credibility ……… because i have heard this before ……. and nothing ever materializes ………. so your “debunking” is just bunk ………… until it is proven otherwise ………..

          • StillBetter&Better

            You have access to the same information I do. Google is your friend.

            Start with UC Davis… and that’s just the beginning. They spell out in detail why Cameron’s findings are bunk.

            Why am I not surprised that you support a guy who encourages parents set their kids up on sexual play dates.

            “While no parent wants his child starting the process ‘too young,’ better too young than homosexual.” — Dr. Paul Cameron

          • Amos Moses

            Hey , you are right ………. google is my friend ……..

            Oxford JournalsMedicine & Health International Journal of Epidemiology Volume 26, Issue 3Pp. 657-661.

            Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men.
            R S Hogg, S A Strathdee, K J Craib, M V O’Shaughnessy, J S Montaner and M T Schechter

            CONCLUSION: In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.

            Articles citing this article

            The Impact of Clinical, Demographic and Risk Factors on Rates of HIV Transmission: A Population-based Phylogenetic Analysis in British Columbia, Canada
            The Journal of Infectious Disease (2015) 211 (6): 926-935

            Out of the Closet and Into the Trenches: Gay Male Baby Boomers, Aging, and HIV/AIDS
            The Gerontologist (2012) 52 (2): 255-264

            The Effects of Marriage, Civil Union, and Domestic Partnership Laws on the Health and Well-being of Children
            Pediatrics (2006) 118 (5): 2259-2260

            Gay life expectancy revisited
            Int J Epidemiol (2001) 30 (6): 1499

            Offering HIV prophylaxis to people who have been sexually assaulted: 16 months’ experience in a sexual assault service
            CMAJ (2000) 162 (5): 641-645

            HIV infection and risk behaviours among young gay and bisexual men in Vancouver
            CMAJ (2000) 162 (1): 21-25

          • StillBetter&Better

            Nice… nothing to support Cameron. Thank you my friend!

            BTW… not all gay folks have AIDS. You’re just a lame bigot.

          • Amos Moses

            It all supports Cameron ………….. but you go ahead and live in denial ……..

            “BTW… not all gay folks have AIDS. You’re just a lame bigot.”

            So no real argument or intellectual thought ………… just name calling …… and defending the indefensible ……………….. Got it ………..;-)

          • StillBetter&Better

            Not very good at math, are you?

            Almost as sad as your support for a man who wants little kids to have sex.

          • Amos Moses

            That would be people like homosexuals ……….. who for the most part will admit ……. privately …….. that they were taken as children or have taken children ……….. and lets see …. how about Alfred Kinsey …………. funny ……….. you want to “debunk” some one as a pedo while at the same time defending pedos ………….. tragic ………….

          • StillBetter&Better

            ROFLOL! Wow man! You’re a stereotype!

            I like you… you’re……… funny…………

          • Amos Moses

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ………….. Sorry …. did you say anything important ………

          • Amos Moses

            Gay Child Molesters Caught on Tape! Hidden Cam. Explicit Content!

            on the youtube machine ……….

          • StillBetter&Better

            Okee dokee!

    • Ronald Carter

      Ask yourself this question, Amos.

      Are you being a good example of a Christian with a statement like that?

      • Amos Moses

        Which part do you have a problem with hearing ………………. The part i have a problem hearing is the lie the “mayor” told to everyone …….. the only way to NOT see it coming is to have your head buried where it makes it impossible to see …………… either up or down ……….

        • Ronald Carter

          You specified “tolerance to homosexuals” in your statement above, which you apparently see as a problem. Why is it?

          • Amos Moses

            “Tolerance” of Evil is Evil ………………. no one to blame here ………. but those that “Tolerate” it ………….. (see mirror)

          • Ronald Carter

            We aren’t talking about evil, we’re talking about homosexuality.

          • Amos Moses

            A difference with no difference ………… keep lighting matches around gasoline …………….. see what happens ………….

  • Amos Moses

    The Truth About the Gay Nightclub Massacre


    Replace the ; with a period.

  • TheBottomline4This

    Stupid muslim or anyone who kills somebody they disagree with. Just stupid.

    • Nidalap

      Law of the jungle, I’m afraid.
      It’s what the whole world naturally devolves to when they decide that morality is whatever you decide it is…

  • Nidalap

    Pay attention, homosexual activists. The would-be dictators in our government are using you to gain power over the populace.
    For their worldwide aspirations, however, they need the Muslims.
    You see how they won’t speak against them even when they mass-murder you?
    They’re still going to need them when you have outlived your usefulness, you know…

    • Amos Moses

      No ………. we should encourage them all to get “married” ……. and then they would all be “registered” …….. and then ISIS and others would have a target list they could obtain ……. because it is now a public record …………. and they would have their coveted “protected legal status” to make sure they are “safe” …………………… /Sarc /SMH

  • Truthhurts24

    This is what the sodomites have to look forward to in their future if they do not repent and come out of those abominable lifestyles. Satan will unleash his militant muslims to destroy the sodomites once their usefulness to him is over. Those 53 people could have all been saved if they would have come to Christ but they chose to stay in their inquity and died in their sins.

    • SFBruce

      Omar Matten was the perpetrator in this horrific event; those who died and those who were injured are the tragic victims. Most of them were undoubtedly young with their whole lives in front of them. The survivors’ lives are forever changed.

      What did the nearly 3000 people who died on 9/11 fail to do which condemned them? What did the nine parishioners in Charleston fail to do that condemned them? Blaming the victim never works, and that’s just as true today as it was when other terror acts have left innocent people dead.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      Bear in mind that the domestic Muslim terrorists in USA hv targeted all non-Muslim Americans, esp the US military, Christians, LGBTQs, Jews, etc.
      ……. IOW, Christians n the LGBTQs r in the same boat.

    • StillBetter&Better

      So you blame the murder victims, not the murderer?

      You’re sick.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    Praying for the victims of this tragic shooting. May God comfort their families and friends through this horribly dark time.

    • Basset_Hound

      Just heard about it from my husband. Share your sentiments.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Terrible, awful, horrible on any level.

        And identity politics at its worst will flow from it.

        It reminds me of the Paris shooting in some ways. Horrific.

        That’s all I know, BH, what are your thoughts?

        • Basset_Hound

          It reminds me a LOT of the Paris shooting, the Belgian attacks and the Madrid bombings and so on and so forth. I can’t help but fear it’s going to get a lot worse as Europe collapses demographically and the US collapses economically. Of course, any attempt to suggest that maybe…just maybe…things might go a little bit better if someone who struggles with same sex attractions chooses not to act on them is going to be seen as the a different manifestation of the same kind of hatred.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            And, of course, it can’t be the fuehrer’s fault – so it must be the fault of guns. Because it happened in a gun-free zone, we need a gun-free Amerika. (smh)

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Amen. May the survivors and mourners find Jesus and get saved.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Amen, Sister Grace! As always, your wisdom is a beacon to our lost culture.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Thank you. Loving and praying for North America. May people return to Jesus and be blessed. The only way.

  • Amos Moses

    Orlando’s ‘Pulse’ Gay Bar Was a ‘Gun-Free Zone’

    Yeah ……….. that worked out ………………./SMH

  • Amos Moses

    “Today we’re dealing with something that we never imagined and is unimaginable,”

    “Tolerance” to homosexuals ………… “Tolerance” to Islam ……. HOW could you NOT see this coming ……………

  • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

    I live about 3 and a half hours away from Orlando.And this really bothers me. I believe we will see more of this happen in America. Breaks my heart because I believe they died in their sins.I do not support their life style.And I never will. There are some that I Pray for because I care for them a lot. Some of them are from this site. Sigh……………………

    • TheBottomline4This

      We used to live 20 minutes away. To think of this happening anywhere is terrible. I don’t agree with their lifestyle either. but I would never wish any of them dead.
      We can “war” with words, but each life is precious whether in the womb or out.
      Praying for all involved in this. So sad.

      • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

        Yes very sad and heart breaking. I would never ever wish this on anyone. To speak out against something is one thing. But to take their lives is another thing.

        • TheBottomline4This

          I 100% agree. Disagreeing is one thing, killing because you disagree is totally wrong.
          A thought just came to mind. I wonder if the killer was gay and either jilted, jealous or something else.

          • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

            I don’t think he was Gay. But then you never know. Could be gay or Anti-Gay. No matter what he will see it was not worth killing all those people.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Well, the Holy Roman Empire n Roman Catholic Church used to execute LGBTQs n witches, eg by burning them at the stake. So, most of them hid in the closet.
            …….USA had sodomy n adultery laws until the 1960s n 1970s b4 they were abolished by the liberals of the Blue States when the liberals began to pander for the LGBTQ-vote. Similarly for the death penalty having been abolished in most liberal Blue States n practically unused by the US Federal govt, eg the case of Dzokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bomber.

            Nevertheless, we hv to bear in mind that Muslim terrorists target all non-Sunni-Muslim Americans, esp the military, LGBTQs, Christians, Jews, etc.

  • Amos Moses

    I’m a Gay Man and Mass Muslim Immigration Terrifies Me by Milo

    I’d hate to be thrown off a roof. I mean, imagine if I landed on this face. But that’s the future Europe and even the US are sleepwalking into if we let wacky progressive hand-wringers keep apologising for radical Islam and calling the rest of us racist for expressing our concern at mass immigration from cultures that care nothing for the rights of women and gays.
    You want to see a “patriarchy”? Fly to Riyadh or Tehran. In the former, women can’t drive. (Alright, fair enough, they might be on to something there.) In the latter, gays are hanged, often from cranes in public places. ISIS is even more brutal, hurling **** (gays) off the roof after ritually humiliating them. In Raqqa you’ll see women and children sold for a few hundred dollars.

    These are the attitudes we’re importing by allowing millions of Muslims to settle in western Europe. Sorry if that sounds intolerant, but remember women and gays aren’t just treated like shit by ISIS, but mainstream Muslim culture, too. I can’t remember how many Muslim countries have the death penalty for homosexuality. What is it, ten? Eleven?

    More @ Brietbart

  • Amos Moses

    Prv 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
    Prv 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
    Prv 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
    Prv 29:23 A man’s pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

  • ElevenHerbs Andspices

    Luke 13:1-5

  • Royal Rican Prince

    Islam. The current satanic construct leading people into complete separation from The Lord.

  • jael2

    The majority of Muslims vote Democrat.
    The majority of homosexuals vote Democrat.
    I thought this was the party of unity?
    In reality neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have the solution to this sin sick society. Our nation is under the judgment of Almighty God. As the depravity increases so will His judgments. Perhaps, Islam will be one of His rods of correction, just as Babylon was used to bring Judah to her knees? ( Read Jeremiah)

    • StillBetter&Better

      Can you back ANY of that with facts?

  • Bertha Warren

    This is HATERED TO EVER FIBER Of his being. Hate is is Atomic Bomb, it can explode anytime and any place. Before cause incident like this, we need to pray deliverance in CHRIST JESUS. That why Jesus said. We have to born again, pull of that OlD MAN Satan.

  • Theodore Fenton

    We probably have a good idea how many Muslims truly feel about the Orlando shooting, but hopefully the sentiment below is not widespread among the fundamentalist Christian community:

    “The good news is that there’s 50 less pedophiles in this world, because, you know, these homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts and pedophiles. That’s who was a victim here, are a bunch of, just, disgusting homosexuals at a gay bar, okay? Obviously, it’s not right for somebody to just, you know, shoot up the place, because that’s not going through the proper channels. But these people all should have been killed, anyway, but they should have been killed through the proper channels, as in they should have been executed by a righteous government that would have tried them, convicted them, and saw them executed. Because, in Leviticus 20:13, God’s perfect law, he put the death penalty on murder, and he also put the death penalty on homosexuality. That’s what the Bible says, plain and simple. So, you know, the good news is that at least 50 of these pedophiles are not gonna be harming children anymore. The bad news is that a lot of the homos in the bar are still alive, so they’re gonna continue to molest children and recruit people into their filthy homosexual lifestyle.” — Pastor Steven Anderson, Faithful Word Baptist Church, Tempe, Arizona

    • Amos Moses


      24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
      24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

      24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
      24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

      • Ronald Carter

        Did you read PASTOR Steven Anderson’s words above, Amos?

        • Amos Moses

          Watched the video …………. and ……………

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      If true, and I believe it is, then it is not of Christ, and I condemn that statement as much as I condemn WBC.

      The really big question is this:

      What is wrong with this shooting on atheism? If there is no God, then all things are permissible – there certainly will not be any objective moral justice meted out to the terrorist. Atheists generally agree with me here:

      “In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, or any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference… DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.” (Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life (1995))

      “Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear — and these are basically Darwin’s views. There are no gods, no purposes, and no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end of me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no free will for humans, either.” A-theist William Provine

      “The position of the modern evolutionist is that humans have an awareness of morality because such an awareness of biological worth. Morality is a biological adaptation no less than are hands and feet and teeth. Considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an objective something, ethics is illusory. I appreciate when someone says, ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself,’ they think they are referring above and beyond themselves. Nevertheless, such reference is truly without foundation. Morality is just an aid to survival and reproduction, . . . and any deeper meaning is illusory.” (Michael Ruse, “Evolutionary Theory and Christian Ethics,” in The Darwinian Paradigm (London: Routledge, 1989), pp. 262-269).

      “Is there a God? No.
      What is the nature of reality? What physics says it is.
      What is the purpose of the universe? There is none.
      What is the meaning of life? Ditto.
      Why am I here? Just dumb luck.
      Is there a soul? Are you kidding?
      Is there free will? Not a chance!
      What is the difference between right/wrong, good/bad? There is no moral difference between them… So much for the meaning of history, and everything else we care about… you will have to be comfortable with a certain amount of nihilism . . . . And just in case there’s always Prozac.” — Alex P. Rosenberg

      • Ronald Carter

        First of all, you’re way off base in terms of how you’re understanding all three of those atheist statements. They don’t mean what you think they mean.

        This article is one you need to read, because it puts all the William Lane Craig stuff in the dumpster where it belongs:

        http://goddoesnt.blogspot. ca/2013/02/god-doesnt-give-us-moral-ontology. html

        Here’s a sampling:

        The entire Twitter engagement about moral ontology (which arose after
        being asked for evidence that God exists, recall) arose with “do you
        think objective morality exists?”

        I answered this question the same way I answered it in God Doesn’t; We Do.
        “It depends on how we define the word ‘objective.'” I don’t mean to
        play word games here–indeed, I think it’s an interesting and hard
        question. Let me show you what I mean by showing you two ways we can
        interpret that term:

        (1) The theist way: Objective morals are divine ethical laws that stem
        from a source outside of human minds (the fellow I talked with last
        night specifically said this, adding the words “transcendent” and
        “supernatural” in the mix).
        (2) The science way: Objective morals are ethical guidelines that have
        been empirically determined to optimize values in salient metrics that
        gauge them.
        Incidentally, while the term “supernatural” cannot apply to (2) above,
        the term “transcendent” can, but not in anything but the mundane
        “societies are bigger than individuals” sense.

        So, I’m not being a jerk when I say that the term “objective morals”
        isn’t sufficiently clear for me to answer the question of whether or not
        they exist.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Those statements mean exactly what they clearly say.

          The fact that you do not WANT them to mean what they clearly say and mean is no warrant against their clarity. Those are just your feelings talking. 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            There is really no shame in admitting you don’t understand them 🙂

            Let’s look at Dawkins first: What do you think his statement is saying? That atheists should care nothing about killing or harming others wantonly because they don’t believe they’ll answer to a God?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “There is really no shame in admitting you don’t understand them.”

            There is really no shame in admitting you DO understand them but don’t like what they say. 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            I wouldn’t be ashamed of such a thing, but it’s patently absurd to suggest that we need a God to be moral people. You know this, and that article I liked pretty much gives William Lane Craig the spanking he’s always deserved. Did you read it?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “we need a God to be moral people”

            You miss the point completely between ontology (existence) and sociology (behavior). Here is a great short video for you to watch that will distinguish between these two concepts and epistemology (how we come to know objective moral values and duties):

            https://www .youtube .com/watch?v=OxiAikEk2vU

          • Ronald Carter

            You’re very fond of saying that to people, but I don’t think you have a clue what it means yourself. Epistemology is how we come to know things, and ontology is what IS. So I know full well the difference. How do you think it relates to the discussion at hand, and what makes you say that I missed the point in what I said?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “You’re very fond of saying that to people”

            You’re very fond of saying “You’re very fond of saying.” 🙂

            “but I don’t think you have a clue what it means yourself.”

            Projection, after you confused the terms yourself. 🙂

            “Epistemology is how we come to know things, and ontology is what IS.”

            So, you admit that you confused sociology with ontology above when you wrote “it’s patently absurd to suggest that we need a God to be moral people”?

            “So I know full well the difference. ”

            Apparently not. Well, maybe the short video taught you better. That is progress.

            “How do you think it relates to the discussion at hand”

            The atheist quotes are about ontology, the existence of objective moral values and duties, of objective good or evil. Your strawmen were about sociology and pin one case epistemology. Pretty simple actually.

            If seems you have a fight with your fellow atheists. Just take it up with them – publish a paper that contradicts their quotes regarding ontology.

          • Ronald Carter

            Come now, I’ve seen it over and over. You say to people “You are confusing moral epistemology with moral ontology” to try to flummox them with your highfalutin language. Well, I am not intimidated by it, I know what it means, and you know as well as I do that you can’t possibly know moral ontology when it comes to God because God is not knowable. And by assuming you know God you’re not going to win any arguments. Tell me please what I have “confused” here. I know it perfectly.

            “So, you admit that you confused sociology with ontology above when you
            wrote “it’s patently absurd to suggest that we need a God to be moral

            No, because it IS patently absurd. Did you or did you not read the article I linked? It talks at length about the ridiculousness of making the statement that we need God to make moral statements.

            The atheist quotes are no such thing. You are making the Dawkins quote in particular to be about behavior, and it’s NOT about behavior. Dawkins is simply making the statement that DNA doesn’t have a conscience, it just is. How can he be talking about moral ontology when he’s discussing DNA? He isn’t suggesting that we go out and kill people because of it. And that’s how you’re interpreting it, which is wrong. Pretty simple actually.

            I’m on board with everything those atheists said, and guess what? We don’t need God to know good behavior from bad. What a shame you think you do.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Tell me please what I have “confused” here.”

            Already did. Not only told you but proved it to you. The fact that your feeewings were hurt is not warrant against the truth.

            “Dawkins is simply making the statement that DNA doesn’t have a conscience”

            False. No one defends that it does. Morality is always discussed inseparably from humans. No one goes around saying “rocks aren’t good or bad.” That’s silly. Dawkins meant what Dawkins said.

            “I’m on board with everything those atheists said”

            I know you are. 🙂

            “We don’t need God to know good behavior from bad. What a shame you think you do.”

            What a shame that you once again confused epistemology (how we know right from wrong) with ontology (the existence of right or wrong). You are the gift that keeps on giving! 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            No, you have proven nothing. What you did was insist by stamping your little feet that I don’t know the difference between moral ontology and moral epistemology, and I proved to you that I did. Furthermore, my original statement still stands strong: We don’t require a God to be moral people.
            “Dawkins is simply making the statement that DNA doesn’t have a conscience”
            “No one defends that it does. Morality is always discussed inseparably from humans. No one goes around saying “rocks aren’t good or bad.” That’s silly. Dawkins meant what Dawkins said.”

            All right, well, in that case, may I ask you if you know what DNA is? Deoxyribonucleic acid?

            It seems pretty obvious to me that Dawkins was saying that bad stuff happens in the world. The universe doesn’t have a conscience because the universe doesn’t have morals. That’s all Dawkins was saying. Somehow you find that shocking and horrible. Why? It’s true. What did you infer from Dawkins’ statement that had him saying there was nothing stopping us from murdering little old ladies? You sure like to post his quote a lot. It would help if you knew what he meant, I think.

            “What a shame that you once again confused epistemology (how we know right from wrong) with ontology (the existence of right or wrong).”

            I did no such thing. Your arrogance in this matter is your stumbling block. You think you know moral ontology, that you know the existence of right and wrong and that you know God. You don’t. That’s nothing more than faith. You keep making God a foregone conclusion and argue from that standpoint. What you need to do is take a step back from that position and say “IF God exists…” Because that’s the crux of the matter here. We need a level playing ground. And we’re never going to have a level playing ground if you keep assuming God before the debate even starts. Moral ontology, which you keep talking about, isn’t yours to claim.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Tell me about rocks not having morality again. I liked that one. 🙂

            Only atheists defend amoral rocks when no one is proposing rocks with morals. Hahaha! 🙂

            If you do not understand the difference between ontology, epistemology, and sociology, just admit it, study up on it, and come back and play another day.

            Right now, you are embarrassing yourself.

          • Ronald Carter

            “Tell me about rocks not having morality again. I liked that one. :-)”
            How can I do that? It was you who said it. Attributing it to me would make you a liar, and I know you don’t want to be known as a liar, right?
            “Only atheists defend amoral rocks when no one is proposing rocks with morals. Hahaha! :-)”
            You said rocks. Not me.
            “If you do not understand the difference between ontology, epistemology, and sociology, just admit it, study up on it, and come back and play another day.”
            I do, as I stated from the beginning. Epistemology is how we come to know things. You agreed with me on that. Ontology is what IS. You agreed with me on that, too. What you won’t say is what gives you the right to say why you think you know what God wants.
            “Right now, you are embarrassing yourself.”
            That is demonstrably false, but an attempt to backpedal on your own embarrassing statements.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            From the original quotes I provided:

            “no purpose, no evil and no good,” “no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life,” “ethics is illusory”

            At no time are these concepts separable from human activities and choices. Except in your bizarre interpretation of what these men are saying.

            Your argument is with them, not me. They understand atheism far better than you do.

            “Epistemology is how we come to know things. … Ontology is what IS.”

            And sociology is behavior.

            Here are YOUR words showing YOUR confusion:

            “we need a God to be moral people”

            There, you clearly confuse sociology with ontology.

            “We don’t need God to know good behavior from bad.”

            There you clearly confuse epistemology with ontology.

            If you do not even have the intellectual honesty to admit this, then what is the point of further conversation?

  • Amos Moses

    Man overheard shooter’s phone conversation; shooter said there were 4 others involved, ‘3 snipers and 1 woman suicide bomber’
    Eyewitness testifies that 5 people were involved with the Pulse attack in total

  • Amos Moses

    FBI Admits: ‘Orlando Shooter Might Not Have Worked Alone’

    • SFBruce

      I’m curious about your source of this information. FBI head James Comey just held a news conference in which he said, so far at least, there’s no evidence that the assassin acted on orders from overseas. If there’s actual evidence that others were involved, that’s very important. Who is it that’s reporting having overheard the shooter’s phone conversation? Who is the eyewitness that claims 5 people were involved? If true, this is very important, and I’d simply like to know the basis for your claim.

      • Amos Moses

        dailybail; com/home/orlando-eyewitness-shooter-called-a-friend-during-attack-and; html

        dailybail ;com/home/fbi-admits-orlando-shooter-may-not-have-worked-alone;html

        Replace the semicolons ………….

        • SFBruce

          Thanks. It’s important to understand as much as possible about how this came about. It’s also important to remember a lot of information reported initially is necessarily not accurate.

          • Amos Moses

            It is important to understand that the more time goes by ………… the more the lies have to take hold and alter the truth ………… any policeman will tell you ….. if you want the truth ……. you had better get it while the crime is fresh …………

          • SFBruce

            I certainly agree that evidence gathering needs to be taken immediately, and that includes witness statements. But I still maintain that proper analysis of that data can take time. Eye witness accounts are important, but are also often contradictory.

  • Amos Moses

    Orlando Nightclub Gunman Scouted Walt Disney World as Potential Target

  • I find it remarkable that nobody in this club but the policeman at the door and Mr Allah Akhbar had a gun. Dissipation and vigilance don’t mix well, neither do alcohol and weapons, which leaves this kind of institution vulnerable.

  • Amos Moses

    ABC NEWS Immediately Cuts Live Broadcast When Orlando Eyewitness Mentions Second Suspect Blocking Exit Door

    This is starting to become really obvious. Further proof the media is trying to cover-up mention of additional suspects in the Orlando attack…

  • TheBottomline4This

    To the haters of ChickFilA and their stance on gay marriage, a friend just shared this with me…..
    “Chick-Fil-A Did WHAT After Gay Club Shooting?

    Chick Fil A has made national news for it’s owners’ stance on gay marriage. Anytime they do something even remotely non-PC, their supposed slip up goes viral. Hash tags pop up all over the place.

    So why is that what they have done in the wake of the Orlando nightclub shooting hasn’t received a single mention on the mainstream new outlets?

    It’s probably because people like New York City Mayor, Bill DeBlasio might have to eat crow instead of chicken. DeBlasio has said that Chick Fil A spreads a message of hate.

    Not so yesterday. In a shocking move, the Orlando location at University and Rouse Road quietly fired up its grills on Sunday. The chain is notorious for not being open, ever, on the Sabbath. Employees cooked up hundreds of their famous chicken sandwiches. They brewed dozens of gallons of sweet tea.

    Then, instead of making a single dime, and without pomp and circumstance they crated the product of their labor to the One Blood donation center. The food and drinks were handed out, free of charge, to all the people who had lined up to donate blood.

    So far, the only mentions of the incident have been from individuals on Facebook. They have posted photos thanking the restaurant for their thoughtfulness and generosity.

    But, wait, those people were waiting to give blood to victims that were mostly gay people. Doesn’t Chick Fil A hate gays? That’s what we keep being told.

    Turns out, that while the founders definitely don’t approve of that choice of lifestyle, they believe in compassion. Who knew? A bunch of people claiming to be Christians care about others even when they don’t agree with them. This group took time out of their schedules to volunteer to help those who were also trying to do their part.

    On top of that, the franchise’s location on Wells Road in Orange Park is even offering coupons for a free frosted lemonade to anyone who donates blood when the One Blood mobile unit is at there store on June 14th.

    In times like these it’s comforting to share a feel-good story about caring individuals and the company they work for – So much for “Chick Fil hAte” becoming a thing.

    On that note I think I’ll go grab a sweet tea! “

  • Amos Moses

    What a Hate Crime Looks Like

    For the longest time we have been redefining what words mean. We have been watering down and nullifying words that anger, challenge, or irritate us, and we have been twisting others to make them suit our preconceived notions or ideas.

    It’s gotten so bad that if anyone, perchance a baker refused to make a cake depicting two men holding hands while a astride phallic shaped rocket, it was labeled a hate crime; something heretofore unseen and unheard of.

    Unfortunately, less than a day ago we saw the true definition of a hate crime, and it had nothing to do with refusing to validate a certain lifestyle, or insisting that certain practices are sinful in the sight of God.

    Fifty people are dead. They will never see another sunrise, they will never watch another sunset, and every hope and dream they had died along with them. A man of Muslim persuasion walked into a place where these individuals congregated and simply opened fire. It wasn’t a Methodist, it wasn’t a Southern Baptist, it wasn’t even one of those intolerant Pentecostals that did this heinous thing. It was a twenty-nine-year-old Muslim man.

    I need to point this out because once the spinners get to spinning one is apt to believe that he was influenced by Christian intolerance, and if not for Christianity this nice Muslim boy would never have thought of doing such a thing.

    Let’s be honest here. Cards on the table, nothing up our sleeve sort of honest. Christians simply don’t do this, and even the world knows it. The worst you can expect of any Christian, a true Christian regardless of their denomination, is telling someone that their lifestyle is sinful and that they need to repent. I cannot embrace, validate, or champion your lifestyle, but never once have I wished death upon anybody for it. Christians don’t want to see sinners dead. Christians want to see sinners saved. That is one of the marked differences between the Christian faith and Islam.

  • Amos Moses

    “Tolerance” for homosexuals ………… “Tolerance” for Islam ………… the two are diametrically opposed ……….. it is not diversity …….. it is familiarity breeds contempt ……….. you cannot have it both ways ………… matches and gasoline ……….. striking up a “Tolerance” and “friendship” between them ………… gonna blow up in your face ………… (“But we never imagined that would happen”) …… even Ray Charles could have seen it coming ………… and he’s dead already …………

    • Charles

      And he was blind!

  • Amos Moses

    EXCLUSIVE – Top Gaza Terrorist: Throwing Gays from Rooftops ‘The Law of Allah’

    TEL AVIV – When the Islamic State throws gay men from rooftops, they are simply enacting “the laws of Allah and of his Prophet,” a top Islamic State-tied jihadist in the Gaza Strip exclaimed in an interview.
    Abu al-Ayna al-Ansari, a Salafist movement senior official in the Gaza Strip, was asked about the murderous, anti-gay practice and was also petitioned to comment on the selection of the Pulse gay night club as the target in Sunday’s deadly mass terrorist shooting.

    Ansari made the remarks in an interview that aired Sunday night on this reporter’s radio talk show, “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio,” broadcast on New York’s AM 970 The Answer ad NewsTalk 990 AM in Philadelphia.

    Stated Ansari:

    When the Islamic State throws gays from the roofs, it is not a sanction that they decided upon. This is our Sharia. These are the laws of Allah that were made by Allah and implemented by his Prophet and our brothers in the Islamic State are only implementing these laws and instructions of Allah and of his Prophet.