Tattoos for Jesus? Group Raises Funds for ‘Church Plant’ by Tattooing Members, Sampling Booze

Thad BackgroundTEMPE, Ariz. — A group in Arizona that identifies itself as being under the banner of Reformed Christianity recently raised funds for a church plant in Hawaii by offering tattoos and hosting a Bible conference featuring a beer flight.

Apologia Studios, led by Marcus Pittman, which is a part of Apologia Church, led by Jeff Durbin, is behind the fundraising effort to plant a new church in Kauai.

Pittman posted a provocative live video of the tattoo fundraiser to social media on Wednesday, which he gave the questioning title “Apologia Studios Tattoo Parlor?!” In the footage, a supporter named Thad is having a Greek “Chi-Rho” symbol tattooed on his arm while in the ministry’s studio. He jokes that Pirate Christian Radio, which uses the Chi-Rho for its logo, “stole” the symbol from his tattoo.

Thad blows out a cloud of vape after inhaling from a vaporizer as he waits.

“This is actually a fundraiser for our Apologia Kauai church plant, so people of the church are donating to have another member of the church tattoo them so they can go to Kauai and we can plant a church there,” Pittman explains. “So, it’s pretty cool.”

As he reads the comments below the video, Pittman notes that a viewer characterized the activity as the “Marilyn Manson-ization of the church,” while another remarked that the fundraiser is “a lot cooler than a bake sale.”

“It’s definitely a lot cooler, for sure,” Pittman agrees.

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Another supporter waiting his turn explains that he is going to be tattooed with a “dirty Trinity” design.

“It’s like one of those Zen Buddha paintings with the little Buddha brushes,” he outlines.

Pittman and Durbin, along with Les Lanphere of Reformed Pubcast, also recently hosted a conference on June 1 – 4 called ReformCon, which included a time of “talking theology over beer” at a local pub. Attendees could participate in a beer flight, which is a sampling of various beers.

“This ticket allows you to get a beer flight from Boulders on Broadway. All the proceeds from this benefit our Kauai church plant!” the website for the event outlines. “Boulders is all about the food, craft beer, bike riding, rock climbing and adventure! With 30 draft handles and 70 plus bottles of craft beer. Bring a friend and check out our selection.”

ReformCon Beer FlightSpeakers at ReformCon included apologist James White, filmmaker Darren Doane and K. Scott Oliphant, a professor of apologetics and systematic theology at Westminster Theological Seminary. White declined to speak to Christian News Network about his appearance at the conference, and seemed surprised that there would be any issue with the activities.

As Pittman and Durbin are not of the belief that tattoos and alcohol are sinful, but rather part of their perceived liberty in Christ, they therefore do not find the concept of a tattoo parlor or beer flight as church fundraisers to conflict with Christianity. However, others characterize the effort as being of the world and appealing to the flesh.

“It’s very disconcerting,” Sonny Hernandez, a military chaplain and adjunct professor of theology in Arizona, told Christian News Network. “There’s several ways to do a fundraiser for a local church, and there’s a way that you could ask for funding to distribute Bibles in the local community—you can even wash cars, but tattoos as a way to raise money for a local church?”

He said that he found the fundraiser as focusing “more on theatrics than theology, and gimmicks more than the gospel.”

“I think it’s promoting outward appearance as opposed to inward [holiness],” Hernandez stated. “There’s several ways to raise money, but to do it by marking your body is not exactly what I would call a Christ-centered ministry I would ever want to be a part of.”

He explained that the concept stems from New Calvinism, which takes interest in smoking cigars, drinking alcohol and obtaining tattoos, as well as other aspects that make them appear “cool” and “relevant” in modern society.

“And it’s a new Reformed fad that is manifesting itself within American Christianity, and it’s unbiblical,” Hernandez said.

“The message of Scripture is about holiness, having a contrite heart, and being a Christ-centered model—to be like Christ as Ephesians 5:1 tells us,” he explained. “And I just don’t think those methodologies and those practices are commensurate with the testimony of Scripture.”

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  • Rick

    The New Living translation of Romans 12:2 “Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.”

    • Josey

      Romans 12:1,2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
      2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. kjv

      • Peter Claus

        a taftoo is not conforming to the world. thats like saying ear rings are evil.

        • Rick

          Galatians 6:8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
          A tattoo or drinking alcohol aren’t in themselves, evil. What is problematic is the practice of glorifying in the flesh. When the focus is body art or social drinking, the focus is on personal pleasure….so that they can promote the spiritual? Jesus said “if I be lifted up will draw all men unto me”, the practice of glorifying the flesh or causing your brother to stumble who has struggled with alcohol abuse is sin… and that should be avoided.
          That’s not legalism, it’s wisdom.

          • LintonCaldecott

            You are declaring the intentions of the heart now, a thing that you have zero capacity or right to do. You can not say that the intention of the hearts of those giving or receiving the tattoo are to draw focus on the body. How is tasting beer “glorifying in the flesh” you make the assertion and yet it is groundless.

            There are many things that we might do in ignorance that could cause a brother to stumble. It is not grounds to condemn or bind the consciences of christian brothers or sisters who choose to taste beer in public.

        • Josey

          I posted a scripture only, didn’t say ear rings were evil or tattoos however that’s what you got out of that scripture so what is that telling you?

        • George

          getting a tattoo is conforming to this world big time actually..

        • ComeOnPeople!

          Obedience to GOD’s instructions has always been mankind’s problem. Its the same old hag just wearing a new dress , asking mankind the same old question…. Yeah hath GOD said??? Yes GOD said do not mark your bodies and yes GOD said not to drink in excess. Don’t take the bait… yeah hath GOD said?

          * Lev. 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

          * Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

        • If tattoos are not conforming to the world, nothing is. There is a term for Apologia Church: Antinomian. The fact that these “New Calvinists” flaunt their “liberty” and use it to fill their “churches” shows they are not motivated by the Spirit of Holiness, but rather the spirit of this age. God deliver us from fake Calvinists.

    • Peter Leh

      don’t be an american.. than would be worldly

  • Coach

    I could easily blast this if it were a practice of Rick Warren or another heretic, but these are people I’ve seen as solid, though Ion’t know a lot about them. God is no respect or of persons. Tattoos and beer, rather seen as sinful or not, create a stumbling block, Paul said he wouldn’t eat meat if it caused a brother to stumble, so why would anyone suppose tattoos and beer were Biblical.
    Charles Spurgeon smoked cigars, a practice I disagree with, but in his defense, it wasn’t to be cool or appeal to the world.

    • Amos Moses

      i like James White ……….. he has a tattoo ……. now at least ………… still not impressed with it ………

      • Nivek Yentrouc

        Agreed, I was surprised to see a tattoo on James rt arm. I don’t think tattoos are going to condemn you but there is no need for them. What is the purpose? Same with drinking. If a brother hangs with these guys and he gets drunk, what if there’s a DUI? What if he loses his sense and sins?

    • Bobby

      There’s a difference with a new Christian coming OUT OF the world, bearing the marks of it but being changed and no longer practicing the things the pagans practice. This behavior is actively practicing the things of the world while claiming Christian freedom or similarly abused theological propositions, as the excuse for such behavior. Madness.

    • Sierra

      Yeah, good thing Jesus never drank. Wait…

      • Coach

        Sierra, do you know Jesus?

  • “The message of Scripture is about holiness, having a contrite heart, and being a Christ-centered model—to be like Christ as Ephesians 5:1 tells us,” he explained. “And I just don’t think those methodologies and those practices are commensurate with the testimony of Scripture.”

    Boy that’s some irrefutable evidence right there. Personal opinion on whether those methodologies are holy.

    • Amos Moses

      Yeah ……….. i remember that scripture where Christ sat on a stool and people threw stones to drop Him in a dunk tank ……………. oh wait ………. no …….. someone ate peanut butter out of His armpit …………. no, wait ………

      Has to do with the dignity of Christ and His bride ………. and being good stewards of HIS church ………….

      • Jeff Smith

        Your low IQ comments are soooo funny.
        Not funny haha….Funny queer.

      • LintonCaldecott

        There is a fundamental difference between raising money for a church plant, and using these things as church growth strategies, you are conflating the two and condemning where you have no right.

        • Amos Moses

          No……….. there is supposed to be a certain dignity for the elders of the church …… and i have every right to point it out ………… as a member of the body of Christ …………………

          • Peter Leh

            they would not pass the test in your four walls eh, amos?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            They are not passing the test according to the instructions given to mankind by the Creator. The problem is that many worship GOD with their mouths yet their hearts are far from HIM. HE said if you love HIM KEEP HIS commandments. GOD’s people have always been those who esteem HIS word & endeavor to obey it. Not because they have to but because of their love towards HIM.

          • Peter Leh

            naw.. they are not passing amos’s test. I am teasing him for playing church

            Ask him as he is the self proclaimed gatekeeper of your salvation and mine. (tongue in cheek of course)

  • Jeff Smith

    Stupid hits a new low. Not to mention blasphemous mockery.

    • Peter Claus

      well then stop mocking Christians who are different than you. Thats the real blasphemous behaviour.

  • TheBottomline4This

    If you want to do that on your own time, then fine.
    But don’t make some crazy connection with Church or Jesus.
    If you’re really a Christian, it taints your testimony to partake in something like this while connecting it with Jesus or planting a Church.

    • Peter Claus

      scripture evidences please. Christ himself became all things to all men.

      • Nivek Yentrouc

        Lets have scripture for your reference to Jesus. Paul made that statement about himself but I don’t recall that of Christ. The Lord continually rejected mens ways, he never conformed or caved in to men or their expectations.

        • Peter Leh

          jesus continually did exactly what the church would not do. even to a point where he beat the church leaders

          • hytre64

            Actually, the money changes were NOT church leaders, and the scripture only says that he drove them out with a whip, not that he whipped and beat them.

            “So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.” – John 2:15

            Where is your scripture reference to say that he beat the church leaders?

          • Peter Leh

            who let the money changer in temple courts?

            where were they?

            who did they work for?

            What was the purpose?

            Who challenged Jesus’ authority to drive them out?

            these weren’t government leaders…. these were church leaders.

            watch out church!

            “and the scripture only says that he drove them out with a whip, not that he whipped and beat them.”

            lol… what would have happened if they stood in one place? I bet a few got a lashing as they ran or stood their ground until they ran. 🙂

          • hytre64

            The temple leaders were the Priests and the Sanhedrin (Religious Court). The money changers were, to the best of my knowledge, independent businessmen who exchanged foreign currency, broke down larger denominations and exchanged currency for the temple shekel when needed. The other sellers in the outer court sold sacrificial animals.

            Therefore, to say that He beat the temple leaders would be inaccurate. Even if these businessmen had some sort of financial agreement with the temple (unknown if they did), they would be independent contractors, or at worst employees.

          • Peter Leh

            I see.. so the church leaders had no vested interest or authority to allow this kind of commerce Jesus was so obviously…. and justifiably…. against?

  • Sounds like the New Calvinists that John MacArthur and many others have warned about. They are infatuated with the theology of the Reformation but they love the world. I remember the 70s when Jesus was cool, but there was little sign of repentance.

    • Peter Claus

      you clearly have no clue what Calvinism is. I suggest before you bare false witness again, I suggest you try reading a book on the subject. We do not love the world. Very much the opposite. And we are not infatuated with the theology of the Reformation, we simply insist that any doctrine lacking scriptural basis be thrown out as from the Devil

      • The very fact that you cover your body (which is not yours) with the tattoos of the world demonstrates your real love.
        And I am quite well acquainted with Calvinism and the Reformation, and as a Pastor I can recognize worldliness and antinomianism when I see it.
        There is no scriptural basis for rejecting tattoos? Clearly, you don’t want to see what the Scriptures plainly teach. And you well know that you are seeking to offend those that don’t rejoice in you so-called Christian liberty.
        You have nothing in common with the Puritans nor Geneva. Both would have disciplined you. You have more in common with the Libertines of Geneva.

        • As a member of the non-tattooed community, if the scriptures so plainly teach what you are saying, perhaps you could demonstrate it?

          • ‘You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD. (Lev 19:28 NAS)

          • LintonCaldecott

            “…for the dead…”

            Right there, in your micro context it gives what you are not to cut or tattoo for. Why do you ignore that and bind the conscience of Christians in an area that scripture does not?

          • ” nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves” Separate clauses.
            Reason: You are made in the image of God, do not defile His image. Do not imitate the pagans.

          • dman

            Being that you appear to have trimmed your sideburns and have no beard… what is your response to the verse prior to verse 28?
            27“ ‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

          • dman

            While we’re in Chapter 19… answer me this… are you keeping the Lord’s Sabbath?
            30“Keep my Sabbath days of rest, and show reverence toward my sanctuary. I am the LORD.

            The context of Chapter 19 is with regard to the Israelites not being conformed to the false religions of the time. Several commentaries confirm this.

        • George

          I agree, unfortunately, I have tattoos, but that was when I was lost and unregenerate, as a Christian now, im baffled as to why so many professed ‘christians’ want to get tattoos…

      • George

        Peter, I think Stephen is right..

  • “Cool and relevant” to the world makes you the enemy of God. (James 4:4)

    • Peter Claus

      You make yourself a enemy of God when you bare false witness. If you really think God is sitting in Heaven checking for tattoos- you are severly misguided.

      • ‘You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD. (Lev 19:28 NAS)
        Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body. (1Co 6:19-20 NAS)
        You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. (Jam 4:4 NAS)

        • Peter Leh

          those poor jews who tattooed the word of god on their wrists and head.

          and their door way

          • Are you really that ignorant of the

          • Peter Leh

            LOL.. ask the Jews who actually tattoo the word of god on themselves.

            But they would not know the torah… would they? 🙂

          • You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. (Deu 6:8 ESV) A Scripture Orthodox Jews take literally (phylacteries). They also observe Lev 19:28 literally.

          • Peter Leh


          • ComeOnPeople!

            The Creator gives HIS instructions to Israel yes but any strangers or sojourners among them kept the same instructions. Keep reading further down to verse 34… But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

            Also … Exodus 12:48-49 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

            Also… Numbers 15:14-16 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD; as ye do, so he shall do.One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

        • Jude Three

          That Levitical law does not apply to us (under the law of Christ), but further it was the purpose behind which they were making cuts or tattoos (for the dead) that was condemned. Also, if you look one verse before in Lev 19:27, you must not trim your beard or the sides of your head hair.

          • Jesus said ALL the Law and the Prophets hangs on the Two Great Commandments. So then, the command not to tattoo yourself is part of loving God and loving your neighbor. Why did God command this? 1)Tattoos are a pagan practice.
            2)You are created in the image of God. Don’t defile His image.
            3)You are not your own but have been bought with a price, therefore glorify God in your body.

      • kenster777

        I will say this if you falsely teach others to sin against God and the things he has given us, then Yes he will Judge you by it.
        Tattooing wearing women’s Jewelry, adultery, fornication, Blasphemy are not going to be permitted.
        These thing’s are part of this world, that is why the world participates in it.
        You don’t take part in things of this world because it is of Satan’s.
        He compared it to Zen Buddhism which is definitely Antichrist.
        Name one thing you would consider to be Christian about Tattooing.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Christians should not get tattoos because God has prohibited the tattoo practice along with magic and divination and sorcery, and getting tattoos defiles the body, the temple of the Holy Spirit, and promotes immorality and blasphemous businesses. Tattoos are used as the marks of gangsters and prostitutes and are bad to the brain of both wearers and beholders. If Christian men want to look tough by showing off tattoos, they should instead go to Syria and Iraq and fight against the villains to liberate those who are oppressed. Tattoos prepare mankind for getting the mark of the Beast and those bodies look offered to demons and remind anti-holiness and godlessness. Post-christian Westerners are returning to their Pre-christian savage practices, and their mental slaves are mimicking them around the world. The Church must continue teaching people God’s truth and His holiness and love.

    • Peter Claus

      Wow. Totally inflamatory and lacking in scriptural basis.

      • Really? You think the Scriptures do not teach us to NOT imitate unbelievers? I suppose you can produce strong biblical exegesis that says we ought to get tattooed.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        It’s true according to the Holy Bible and facts and reality in the world. Read the entire Bible. Seek God’s holiness and don’t get tattoos.

  • Josh Duncan

    Disgraceful comment section. No one who listens to Apologia Radio could accuse them of kowtowing to worldliness.

    • Peter Claus


  • Peter Claus

    Wow, such pious people here. God must be impressed with your abilities to attack people you dont know, and in some cases out-right lie about. Such flimsy arguements barely referencing scriptures. Ill say one thing for Calvinism- they insist on Biblical support vs personal feelings.

    • Rick

      You have a lot to learn about being IN the world but not OF it Peter.

    • Nivek Yentrouc

      Honestly Peter, people criticized the idea of tattooing and drinking, it was you that attacked them for their disagreement. I saw your comments as being much more aggressive.

      • Peter Leh

        “it was you that attacked them for their disagreement.”

        stick around… some are more than just a mere “disagreement”.

        there are self proclaimed gatekeepers of salvation in this place. bullies are to be dealt with just in that way.

    • Peter Leh

      Hey guys.. meet Peter.

      I like him 🙂

  • Jay

    For all of those citing Lev 19. Do you keep this law? “When you come into the land and plant any kind of tree for food, then you shall regard its fruit as forbidden. Three years it shall be forbidden to you; it must not be eaten. 24 And in the fourth year all its fruit shall be holy, an offering of praise to the LORD. 25 But in the fifth year you may eat of its fruit, to increase its yield for you: I am the LORD your God.; Or how about this one: “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge”? If not why? Eat Kosher as well? Why not….?

    • ComeOnPeople!

      Some of GOD’s instructions are for when in the land of Israel ,others for only the priests, others only for women, others only for men… etc etc…

      GOD’s instructions not to eat that which HE did not create for food and is unclean are not only valid but also wise. Science is proving that the unclean animals in Lev. are the worst animals you can eat. They are not herbivores but eat rotten dead flesh and clean up the sewage in the ocean. Do a study on animals and you will thank your CREATOR for instructing you not to eat them.

      I love both GOD and man and keep HIS commandments. Am I perfect ? OF COURSE NOT. But where man is week , GOD is strong & HE sent back the promise of HIS SPIRIT to lead and to guide us into all TRUTH. What is TRUTH… the bible says thy WORD is truth. The Psalms tell us … Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy LAW is the TRUTH.

      HIS instructions teach every man how to draw near to HIM & what causes a distance from HIM. HE is a loving HOLY GOD.

      I left main stream churches long ago as have many. Many are tired of the do as though wilt as if the Messiah was not the very GOD of Abraham , Issac and Jacob. HE was the WORD made flesh and HE kept HIS WORD perfectly. We are to endeavor to walk as HE walked not because HIS instructions bring salvation, even in the Torah instructions of GOD never brought salvation only blood brought redemption . When a man SINNED (transgressed GOD’s law) and became aware of his transgressions he would bring a sacrifice to pay for his sin & then would try not to ever offend again because innocent blood had to be shed to bring HIM back in favor with GOD. Therefore I thank GOD for the perfect lamb that came because of my transgressions and because of my love for HIM I refrain from what displeases HIM and cling to things that please HIM. Even good earthly relationships do the same.It’s not about religion it’s about a relationship . Many know of GOD but they do not KNOW HIM.

      • Jay

        Your first sentence is exactly the point. However how do you choose what is still valid from the mosaic law? Wasn’t the ban on tattoos apart of the purity laws which require not mixing crops, or having mixed threads in clothing? Are tattoos being “conformed to the world” like is being admonished in Romans 12:2? I don’t think Paul and the Spirit were saying not to get a tattoo but to use your spiritual worship to be pure (see the verse 1) so you can present yourself to the Lord.

        By the way how does Mat 15:11 affect your dietary views?

        • ComeOnPeople!

          Mat. 15:11 does not affect GOD’s instructions on what is for food and what is not to be eaten. The Scribes & Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem came to Yeshua and asked, “Why do thy disciples transgress the TRADITION of the elders? for they WASH not their HANDS when they EAT BREAD.” Jesus answers this question.
          HE replies …. “Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDMENT of GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? In VAIN people worship HIM, teaching for doctrines the commandments of MEN. He offends the Pharisees further by saying , ” Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.”

          Then Peter says declare unto us this PARABLE… And Jesus said, Are ye also YET WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which PROCEED OUT of the MOUTH come forth from the HEART; and they defile the man.
          For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to EAT WITH UNWASHED HANDS DEFILETH NOT A MAN.

          Context is everything when studying the WORD of GOD.

          As to how do you choose on which instructions to obey? Most of them are so simply a child can do them. We don’t mix seed because when you do you get some pretty messed up veggies. Before we started obeying GOD’s instructions we mixed some okra seeds and the okra came out deformed and did not produce very much of a crop. Mixing linen and wool… easy … very hard to find that mixture today and if you do find it there are so many other options that it’s a none issue. Celebrating HIS feasts… easy so none issue. Keeping Sabbath… easy none issue. HE said HIS instructions are not to hard or to far that you cannot reach them. HIS instructions were given because HE shows grace unto a fallen world and wants them to be blessed. Read them and apply them it’s really quite simple. What you cannot apply because you are not in the land is no different then not applying say British laws to yourself while being in America. Not to mention that many instructions apply to the Temple and it’s service, which is no longer standing. This is why we are so grateful that Yeshua is our high priest and fulfills the Sacrificial law in regard to sin.

  • Jennifer Hollyfield

    1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

  • Jennifer Hollyfield

    Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    It does not matter what men choose to believe but if they obey. Obedience to GOD’s instructions has always been mankind’s problem. Its the same old hag just wearing new dress who is asking mankind the same old question…. Yeah hath GOD said??? Yes GOD said do not mark your bodies and yes GOD said not to drink in excess. Don’t take the bait… yeah hath GOD said?

  • bowie1

    Coming from a Reformed (CRC) Church I have never heard of this fund raising method and would not support it.

  • bowie1

    Apologia Church is actually a Reformed Baptist church.

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    A lot of opinions. The final authority, is of course, the Holy Bible.

    What the Holy Bible says:

    Leviticus 19:28

    New International Version
    Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

    New Living Translation
    Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the LORD.

    English Standard Version
    You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD.

    New American Standard Bible
    You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD.

    GOD’S WORD® Translation
    Never slash your body to mourn the dead, and never get a tattoo. I am the LORD.

    King James Bible
    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

    American King James Version
    You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks on you: I am the LORD.

    American Standard Version
    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am Jehovah.

    Bible in Basic English
    You may not make cuts in your flesh in respect for the dead, or have marks printed on your bodies: I am the Lord.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh, for the dead, neither shall you make in yourselves any figures or marks: I am the Lord.

    Darby Bible Translation
    And cuttings for a dead person shall ye not make in your flesh, nor put any tattoo writing upon you: I am Jehovah.

  • Gena B

    When I was young I got a small tattoo on my ankle, before I knew the Lord. Then 25 years later after being a Christian, I decided to get it covered with an array of very large vines and flowers. I did this for my self as a way of getting rid of my old life (would love to forget) and a new one with Christ. I would not feel comfortable getting anymore tattoos on my body but I am content with what I have and the reason behind it. Now, that said I don’t personally think getting a full body filled with tattoos is something that is necessary, because I look to God to make me feel whole. If a persons intentions of getting tattoos or plastic surgery or breast implants is to look good, that really stems from a place of pride doesn’t it? If we are honest with ourselves. What is a persons ‘intention’ from the heart? God looks at our heart and knows why we do what we do, no fooling Him. We have to remember we as Christians are different from the world and should manifest that if we are truly saved to Christ.

    • Debora

      Some people just like tattoos, love beautiful artwork, and want it forever on their skin. Why do you want to judge them for that?

  • Printing marks on our bodies is sin for sin is the transgression of the Law of God. Sin opens legal doors for DEMONS to enter in. Encouraging the DEMON OF ALCOHOL is further sin.

    This “church” is nothing more than a Satanic cult that is rightly exposed and rebuked. May it burn. IJN

  • ZLee

    Lots of misinformation and outright lies being propagated about ReformCon, Apologia Church, Jeff Durbin, James White, etc. etc.

  • Sierra

    Christ freed us from the law. Why are we citing Leviticus to bind ourselves to it again? It’s like we want to go back to the Old Covenant. Come on. The best scripture from the New Testament you can find is our body is a temple and in context, Paul is specifically speaking to sexual immorality because sexual sin is a sin against your own body. You don’t have to get tattoos, but if they do, don’t pretend that you’re holier than them.
    Also, when did the church forget that Christ drank? Socially, too. Amazing. I’m convinced Jesus would have more in common with Apologia Church if He was currently on Earth than any one of those casting stones their direction.

  • disqus_5T2jXBEN10

    These guys are just Mark Driscoll impersonators, is it wrong to get tattoos, drink a beer, etc, I dont think that is the problem it is the “spirit” behind this type of ministry and considering what happened to Driscoll they might wnat to change directions.