Neo-Nazi Who Converted to Islam Kills Roommates for ‘Disrespecting’ His Faith

TAMPA, Fla. (Washington Post) — A former neo-Nazi who converted to Islam is accused of killing his two roommates because they “disrespected” his new faith, police said.

Last Friday evening, police arrested 18-year-old Devon Arthurs after he briefly held three people at gunpoint at a smoke shop in Tampa, then surrendered to officers.

That incident, it turned out, was only the tip of the iceberg.

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  • Trilemma

    God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. He created everything and He created everyone with their unique nature. God is the ultimate authority. Therefore, God is ultimately responsible for what happened here.

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. – Isaiah 45:7 KJV

    • Amos Moses

      the word translated there as “evil” is in Hebrew …..

      H7451
      רָעָה רַע
      ra‛ râ‛âh
      rah, raw-aw’
      From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: – adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]

      and what is being referred to there is 1. – adversity, affliction, bad, calamity and also 2. evil in the form of ([-favouredness], man, thing). God created men, men fell from grace, men create evil in their fallen state …… but God is not the author of evil ….. but what men intend for evil, God intends for good …… for we do not know good unless we know evil also ………. if there is no contrast there is nothing to measure anything ……

      • Trilemma

        We believe that man does as he pleases, yet notwithstanding he always does as God decrees. – Charles Spurgeon

        No, not only is the will of man under the absolute predestination of Jehovah; but all things, great or little, are of him. – Charles Spurgeon

        Did God decree and predestine Devon Arthurs to commit these murders?

        • Amos Moses

          no ….. God has two modes as to predestination ….. active and passive …… God actively saves the elect ….. they are predestined to election and salvation …… in Romans 9 they are the “vessels of honor” ……. others He passively allows them to act as the unregenerate man acts …. they are given “freedom to act” but as the unregenerate they act as sinful men act ….. and they act that way continually …… as evil men …….. the vessels of dishonor …….. now God did decree that the gentlemen DA killed to die at that time …… He is sovereign and is in control of our life, death and salvation …….. that was decreed ………. and was DA predestined to hell …… quite probable ……… God refused to act and allowed DA all the “freedom” God can give to any person …… and that usually is used by that person in “freedom” to destroy their own lives and the lives of others ……. DA bears all responsibility for his actions ….. he was given the “freedom to choose” ….. to even choose God ….. but he chose to do what he did ………..

          9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
          9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
          9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
          9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
          9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
          9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
          9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

          • Trilemma

            ”…… God actively saves the elect ….. they are predestined to election and salvation ……”

            If the elect are predestined, then they did not freely choose God. God decreed that they choose God and they did not have the freedom to reject God. By default, everyone else is predestined to Hell because they cannot choose God. In other words, no free will.

            ”…….. now God did decree that the gentlemen DA killed to die at that time …… ”

            As I already said, God is ultimately responsible for what happened.

            ”……. DA bears all responsibility for his actions ….. ”

            How can DA be responsible for his actions if he did what God decreed happen?

            ”….. he was given the “freedom to choose” ….. to even choose God ….. ”

            How could DA have had the freedom to choose God if he was not one of the elect?

          • Amos Moses

            “If the elect are predestined, then they did not freely choose God.”

            CORRECT ………..

            “God decreed that they choose God and they did not have the freedom to reject God.”

            not quite …. God decreed He would choose them ……… He did not ask my permission nor did He come to me and say “if you are not doing anything right now, may I save you” ….

            ” By default, everyone else is predestined to Hell because they cannot choose God. In other words, no free will.”

            it is called double predestination ……… and yup ………

            “As I already said, God is ultimately responsible for what happened.How can DA be responsible for his actions if he did what God decreed happen?”

            nope …… God gave DA the freedom, total freedom to choose ….. DA chose poorly …. he was given total freedom to choose ….. and he did ………..

          • Amos Moses

            “How could DA have had the freedom to choose God if he was not one of the elect?”

            because God gave DA the freedom to choose it …… and He did not interfere ……..

            “How can DA be responsible for his actions if he did what God decreed happen?”

            Gods decree was that He would not interfere with DAs choice ….. and DA chose ….. poorly ….

          • Trilemma

            ”because God gave DA the freedom to choose it …… and He did not interfere ……..”

            My understanding of Total Depravity is that God created everyone incapable of choosing God and that everyone predestined for Hell is left in their total depravity. So, if DA was predestined for Hell, then he did not have the freedom to choose God because God created him incapable of making that choice. My understanding of Irresistible Grace is that those God predestined for Heaven cannot resist God choosing them and therefore cannot choose to reject God.

            John Calvin’s doctrine of predestination must be rejected because it makes God out to be a sadistic monster. It says that God intentionally created the vast majority of humans for Hell with no means or hope of escape. They were doomed by God before they were even born. And even though God obviously has the power to save all of them, God chose to only save a small percentage.

            ”Gods decree was that He would not interfere with DAs choice ….. and DA chose ….. poorly ….”

            If God is omniscient then He knew everything DA would do including killing his roommates. The only way God could know with absolute certainty that DA would kill his roommates is for God to remove all uncertainty which means removing all free will. God knew DA would kill his roommates and DA did not have the freedom to choose otherwise. God’s omniscience decrees everything that happens and nobody can change it, not even God.

            If God is omniscient then free will is just an illusion. Therefore, the idea that God is omniscient must be rejected because it removes all free will including God’s.

          • Amos Moses

            “My understanding of Total Depravity is that God created everyone incapable of choosing God and that everyone predestined for Hell is left in their total depravity.”

            God created man, man was deceived into the belief that knowledge would benefit him, that caused the fall from grace, and man has continued to fall …….. god did not create that although He knew it would occur ……. mans heart is to always choose evil all of the time on a continual basis …… it is not Gods choice for man ….. even in the presence of total free will to choose ….. man will never choose God or the things of God …… John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. ……. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? …… Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. …… that is the fallen state of men ….. and until God ACTIVELY intervenes it will not change …..

            men in their pride believe they have “free will” …. and so God grants many all the free will they can handle …… and they have NEVER handled it well ………. they are incapable of choosing God because of their fallen nature and a desire continually to choose and do evil ……… they are not prevented from choosing God …… other than the desire of their nature …………. to be and act in a selfish and idolatrous manner ………

          • Trilemma

            The fall from grace did not change human nature. God created Adam and Eve with a fallen nature. They were created totally depraved. Because God created them with a sinful nature, they were susceptible to the temptation of the serpent. If God had not created them with a sinful nature, a fallen nature, they would not have been tempted and they would not have eaten the fruit. When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, it did not change their nature, it revealed the nature that was already there, the nature God created them with. God created humans totally depraved and predestined for Hell. Which still makes God out to be a sadistic monster.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. God cannot be in the presence of sin ….. they were in the presence of God and walked with Him ….. once they fell from grace that was no longer possible ……..

          • Trilemma

            After the fall, God came into the presence of Adam and Eve to chat about their punishment. After Cain killed Able, God came into Cain’s presence to chat about his punishment. At the beginning of Job, God had no problem being in the presence of Satan. God was frequently in the presence of Moses. Jesus was constantly in the presence of sin for over 30 years. If you believe He was God, then God can be in the presence of sin. If you believe the Holy Spirit dwells in every Christian and that the Holy Spirit is God, then God is in the presence of sin every time a Christian sins. Clearly, God can be in the presence of sin.

          • Amos Moses

            No ….. the fall occured after they were expelled from Eden …… and you are making numerous assumptions about Gods physical presence in scripture ….. we cannot be in Gods presence as it would kill us ….. His physical presence destroys sin …. God has to shield us from His presence to protect us from Him ……… When God was with Moses He had to have Moses hide himself from God to protect Moses ….. and the same with the other examples you note ….. to even hear His voice is to cause great anguish ….. when God spoke the ten commandments to Israel the people went to Moses and said …. “please dont let Him talk to us anymore” …….. Christ set aside part of his godly nature to become man ….. it would not have worked otherwise ….. the spirit of God, while part of the Godhead, offers that protection ………..

          • Trilemma

            ”….. the fall occured after they were expelled from Eden ..

            So, when exactly did the fall occur? All the preachers I’ve heard have taught that the fall happened the moment when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.

            ”…. and you are making numerous assumptions about Gods physical presence in scripture ..

            We all make assumptions. If God is spirit, how can God have a physical presence?

            ”….. When God was with Moses He had to have Moses hide himself from God to protect Moses ..

            What about when Moses met with God in the Tent of Meeting?

            ”… and the same with the other examples you note ..

            What about in Job when God was in the presence of Satan?

            ”….. Christ set aside part of his godly nature to become man ….. it would not have worked otherwise ..

            I’ve been taught that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Now you’re saying Jesus was less than 100% God because He was missing the part that can’t be in the presence of sin.

            ”… the spirit of God, while part of the Godhead, offers that protection ………..

            The doctrine of the Trinity says that God is not separable and that God does not have parts. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God. You cannot have one without the other two. If God can’t be in the presence of sin then the Father can’t be in the presence of sin, the Son can’t be in the presence of sin, and the Holy Spirit can’t be in the presence of sin.

          • Amos Moses

            “The only way God could know with absolute certainty that DA would kill his roommates is for God to remove all uncertainty which means removing all free will. ”

            or to grant all free will knowing what choice would be made ……

            …. this is a poor example of how to view that …… say you were at work and wanted to watch a baseball game ….. you record it on your DVR …… when you get home …. after trying to keep anyone from telling you the outcome ……. but someone blurted out who won before you could stop them ……… and you get home and watch it anyway …. so you sit down and watch …… now the game is over and the players had all free will to play the game ……. but the outcome is not going to change because it has already happened ……. God knows the end from the beginning …… He had no part in the decisions that would be made and yet knew what decisions would be made ………….. again … this is a very poor analogy …. but it is as close as mans understanding allows me ……….

          • Trilemma

            As I watch the recording I made of the game, I know the ending and everything else about the game that will happen because the players I watch on the screen have no free will. Even if those characters think they have free will it’s just an illusion because everything is fixed from my perspective. If God is omniscient, then God watching our reality is the same as me watching that recording. If our reality is a recording to God that God created, then our free will is just an illusion because from God perspective it’s all predetermined down to the finest detail. If God is omniscient, then DA had as much free will as a recorded player on my TV screen.

          • Amos Moses

            they all have free will within the context of the game …… they are all free to act during the game …. you had no input into the game and the game when you watched it had a predestined end …… but you did not in anyway manage the players ……

          • Trilemma

            If I watch the game live, then I can’t be omniscient concerning the game because the players have free will. If I watch a recording, then I can be omniscient concerning the game because there is no free will. If we have free will, then God is watching us live and He can’t be omniscient. For God to be omniscient, He would have had to create us as if we were a recording in which case our free will is an illusion.

          • Amos Moses

            the end of the game is predetermined …… but the players were still free to act ….. God can be omniscient and not act …..

          • Trilemma

            Is God observing us like we’re a live game or is He observing us like we’re a recorded game?

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      The word “evil” means “ills.” This means God will punish Sodomic USA for the sake of all decent Americans.

      • Trilemma

        The KJV translates the Hebrew word as “evil” 442 times and as “ill” only 5 times. How do you get this verse to mean God will punish the USA? That looks like quite a stretch, Grace.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          KJV is not modern English. Translations are not immortal anyway. Language vocabs change their meaning over time. Use NASB, it’s the most accurate translation. The USA will be punished because it forces Sodomy upon the nations. Read Daniel 2 and Jude 1.

          Read Isaiah again. The Lord said, “I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; that men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun that there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other,The One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity;I am the Lord who does all these.” (Isaiah 45)

  • Darlene

    And somehow this will be spun to reflect badly on Christians.

    • Chris

      Apart from your persecution complex I don’t see why. It reflects badly on this guy and his beliefs though.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Americans persecute the Christians. That’s why the USA is unhappy and the children go wayward. Read Exodus 20 and John 3 and Romans 8.

  • Colin Rafferty

    The real story here is that the police broke up a neo-Nazi cell that had home-made explosives, fuses, and a framed picture of Timothy McVeigh. And traces of thorium and americium. The real American terrorists.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Ya, man lives out the doctrines he believes, ultimately.

  • james blue

    Upon reading the full story I very much doubt he had in any way converted to Islam. The guy is obviously nut job who was “radicalized” by white supremacist websites etc.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Democrats

      • james blue

        ??????

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          KKK were Democrats. Those who cherish the peoples of colors cherish the children of colors in the mothers’ wombs.

          • james blue

            Who is talking about the KKK?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You mentioned the white supremacists. Aren’t they the same people?

          • james blue

            They might share racism, but not the same people.

            You might want to read up on history after the 1960s.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I see. Secular white Americans called me KKK though I’m not even white if I support any white Christian Americans; that’s why.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Like Christians, there are many different kinds of White Supremacists. He was a neo-Nazi and follower of Christian Terrorist Timothy McVeigh.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Timothy McVeigh wasn’t Christian. Christians do not kill innocent life but only rescue everyone. If Democrats truly loved the peoples of the colored, they’d never have supported abortion in the first place because the majority of the victims is the blacks. People live out the ideology and purposes and doctrines. Those who don’t do not belong to the group.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Ex-christian Western humanism/secularism’s godless dead-end. If it’s not foreign terrorists it’s the immoral youth. Secular nations’ children need Christian education to be moral and humane, not just to find salvation. Ideologies and pagan religions set up some noble-sounding goals to attract the mass but use entirely false methods and never attain any good goals anyway.

    Secularism raises humans to become disrespectful meaninglessly and mocks even everything noble including one’s own parents and brings only despair to the adherers. American children need Christian education. The government should make Christian education free instead of the atheistic Sodomic public schools.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    A sad phenomenon of secular children who lost sane values and goodness by getting the systematic godless education. Apart from God, man does not love life.

    • Colin Rafferty

      Actually, most neo-Nazis are Christians.

      • Amos Moses

        no … by definition … they are not …….. it may be a veneer of pseudo-christianity …. but that is all ……

        • Colin Rafferty

          Well it’s a high bar to pass to be exactly your kind of Christian.

          • Amos Moses

            again … has nothing to do with me ….. has to do with scripture ………..

          • Colin Rafferty

            Sure it does. It’s your interpretation of scripture that’s different from his.

            Since I’m not a Christian, I’m not going to get into what makes someone one. I just take people at their word when they claim a religion.

          • Amos Moses

            “It’s your interpretation of scripture that’s different from his.”

            NOPE ….. christians are forbidden from “interpreting” scripture ….. that is ADDING to scripture …. we are not allowed to change the Kings word ….. because He is King ……..

            Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Galatians 1:8-9, 2 Peter 1:19-21, Revelation 22 18-21

          • Amos Moses

            One day, the King (God) decided to issue a proclamation. He sat on His throne and stated the proclamation to His Scribe (The Holy Spirit, The Prophets) and the procalmation was written out. It was “This and that, and this, this, this, that, that, that, and because this, then that and that and that”.

            The King then ordered the written proclamation (The Bible) to be read to everyone by the Heralds (The Pastors, The Clergy, The Believers). But in reading the proclamation, some of them came to believe that the King’s words were too harsh, and they decided to alter the Kings word to make it more palatable. It then was “This and this, and this, that, this, that, that, that, and because that, then that and this and this”.

            This is not what the King had proclaimed and there is a penalty for altering the word of the King.

          • Amos Moses

            if they are interpreting it ….. then it is no longer scripture …

        • Parodyx

          This is known as the “No True Scotsman Fallacy”. They say they are Christians, you say they aren’t. But you are not the one who gets to define it.

          • Amos Moses

            NTS does not apply to christianity …… any more than it applies to Burger King saying it is the only one to make a Whopper ……… BORING …. ERROR ……..

          • Parodyx

            Then you don’t understand how it works, Amos. And Christianity provides a BEAUTIFUL example. You can call yourself a Christian – fine. No one will argue with you. But when you say someone else ISN’T a Christian because they do something you don’t do, and I’ve seen you do this many times, you’re re-defining Christianity according to the way you alone follow it. That is the No True Scotsman Fallacy, and it is one of the big logic no-no’s. I really have to laugh when you think Christianity would be exempt from the rule – what arrogance!

          • Amos Moses

            NOPE ….. NTS does not apply to christianity ….. we are required to know and to discern if a person is lying about being a christian ……. you are wasting your time …… NTS does not apply ……. mostly ……. because Christianity is not a logical decision by the saved ….. God chose us ….. we did not choose Him ……. He saved us ….. He did not ask our permission ….

          • Parodyx

            WRONG, Amos. WRONG.

            Anytime ANYBODY tells a group of Christians that they are “false Christians” that is NTS. With over 35,000 Christian denominations I bet there are lots you consider false. But it does not make them so.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            True Christians do not kill innocent life but rescues everyone by the doctrines. Every other religion and every other ideology produces massive number of innocent victims one way or another. If those are not infidels then it’s unborn children and so on. Christianity alone is right and humane and wholesome moral.

          • Parodyx

            There is no such thing as a “True Christian”. Either you’re a Christian or you are not.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            People can claim to be anything without substance. Sometimes truth of the matter is hidden from the human eye. That’s why sometimes the word “true” is added.

          • Parodyx

            But it isn’t your place to say whether they are or not. You cannot know someone better than they know themselves.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christianity has basic doctrines, the plain teachings. Those who do not adhere them do not belong to the group. USA became anything-goes by giving up Christianity. It may give up nationhood just as well at this rate. That’s what happens when people deny the existence of objective truth.

          • Parodyx

            If one Christian practices on thing, and another Christian doesn’t practice it, and both have reasons, they’re both still Christians.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. You must look at the doctrines and creeds. Those who burn American flags are not real Americans but traitors. The same thing.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        White people either were Christian or claimed to be one almost 100% until some decades ago to indicate they were civilized human beings and not barbarians. Claiming is nothing. Living it out is everything. Nazis were Darwinians and killed the Christians for not-complying. Read Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the Dutch Resistance, the true Christians. Today, majority of global Christian population is of Non-West, so if the West oppresses Christianity for refusing to support Sodomy, the region is a racist criminal again. Mankind truly need each other.

        • Colin Rafferty

          I said “neo-nazis”, not “nazis”. The current neo-nazis are Christian.

          • Mr Cleats

            No, girl, they aren’t.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Sure they are. And they prefer the confederate flag to the swastika.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They should ban swastika, but not confederate flag. If the Westerners really oppose slavery, they should stop promoting Sodomy and threatening the nations to comply.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Actually, here in the US, we don’t ban symbols.

            On the other hand, we also shouldn’t be flying either of those flags on government property, because they were each enemy armies.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Nazi, IS, and Satanism’s symbols should not be legal in public eyes because those exist for killing and doing evil. US government needs Christian symbols to do good. Today’s America is screwed because it equates the evil with the Good(Christianity). In such a world, the evil becomes tyrannical as all humans are sinners. Men must be geared towards the Good to make the society proper and civilized. Teaching that evil is as equal as good is the same as teaching to be evil.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            What do they want? Do they want to annihilate the Jews again and enslave all colored peoples? The Western Sodomites are trying to enslave the entire mankind by installing Sodomy and pedophilia. What’s the difference between the two groups? Christians cannot be Nazis, because Christians cherish all human life. Nazis were Darwinian.

          • Colin Rafferty

            What does that mean, “Darwinian”? That they accepted scientific facts? Is there a moral problem with knowing how the world works?

            The Nazis were also Newtonian, because they built rockets according to Newton’s laws.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Nazis talked about purity of race and killed others to carry out the Darwinianism’s logic of having a “superior” race. It’s Christian Americans who sent rockets into the space and not Germans.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Have you ever heard of the V-2? The rockets that the Nazis used against Britain? You should look them up. They invented rockets.

          • Trilemma

            The Chinese invented rockets.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Good point. The Nazis invented modern rockets. Using Newtonism.

          • Trilemma

            Modern rockets originated whith Robert Goddard. But yes, using Newtonism.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Ya, the fire powders.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Nazis did not invent dinamites. The invention of Nazis counts to nothing.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Do you know what a non sequitur is? I never spoke about dynamite. They invented modern rockets — the kind that can be fired at a destination hundreds of miles away. And they used that evil Newtonism to do it. We should refuse to follow Newton’s Laws because of that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Rockets are impossible without dynamites. But it was not their purpose of existence. Their purpose was based on the Darwinism – “purity” of race. They did not believe God’s creation of man and woman.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Well, if you define Darwinism as “purity of race”, then fine. So what? How does that make neo-Nazis not Christians? They are Christians.

            But unlike you, I don’t think that just because one group of Christians is neo-Nazis, I should blame all other Christians for their behavior. I don’t hold it against you that there are Christians who are neo-Nazis.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Darwinians treat animal life and human life the same and that’s exactly the way it is with Nazism. Christians believe in fairness and equality before God therefore no Nazis and its likes could claim to be Christian. Besides, the majority of Christian population today is the peoples of colors and not the white. It is wrong for you to put Christians and Neo-Nazis together. They have no common ground.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’m not the one putting Christians and neo-Nazis together. It is the neo-Nazis themselves that call themselves Christians.

            Now if you’re the type of person who thinks that all members of a group are alike, then that would be a problem for you. But I don’t think they are. There are Christians who are neo-Nazis. There are Christians who commit genocide against their fellow Rwandans. There are Christians who feed the hungry and cloth the poor. I judge people by their actions, not their religion.

            You should, too.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Such claims do not matter. Western Sodomites and Mormons and JWs claim to be Christian, too. Anyone can claim to be anything without the real substance. 1/3 of Eareth’s population claim to be Christian, but the purpose and the teaching of the religion does not change. If people carry evils by racism, genocide, abortion-murder, they are not Christian because that cancels out the purpose and teaching of Christianity.

  • Robert

    HE used Adam’ s. Reasoning and has no problems with his actions and others who use Adam’s reasoning have no problem with blaming God for it either. Every sin is a sin against the first ..coo