Over 50 Dead in Las Vegas After Deadliest Shooting in Modern US History

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(ABC News) More than 50 people were killed and 400 injured when a lone gunman opened fire from a perch high up in the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas Sunday night, police said, making it the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history.

The “nonstop gunfire,” according to one witness, sent bystanders outside the resort on the Vegas strip ducking for cover and scrambling for their lives.

Bystanders sprang into action, caring for the wounded and at least one described someone dying in their arms.

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  • Lexical Cannibal

    And here I thought Pulse was going to be the deadliest single-shooter event of my lifetime. Show’s what you get for assuming, I guess. Are we ready to abandon the “good guy with a gun, more weapons make for more safety” fallacy yet? Or do another few hundred have to die from individuals with bones to pick, before we reach that point? Few thousand, maybe?

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      per capita … the US is about the safest place for anyone …… we are not even in the top 100 as far as deaths per thousand for murder ……. 111th to be exact ………… The USA has, by far, the highest per capita gun ownership in the world ……… Progressives will tell you that this is what makes America the Murder Capitol of Planet Earth …. NOPE …… must break you liberal heart all to pieces ………….

      Those who beat their weapons into plowshares ….. will plow for those who do not …………

      • This style 10/6

        Only you could trivialize this tragedy in this way. Easy enough to pick out a town and compare it to a country. Try comparing apples with apples.

        Homicides/100,000
        Canada 1.68
        US 4.88

        Canada has plenty of guns but has gun control.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Detroit …….. VERY STRICT gun control …… 54.6 per 100,000 ….. Chicago ……. VERY STRICT gun control …… 18.5 per 100,000 ….. Canada …. who really cares about Canada ……..

          • This style 10/6

            You really are beneath contempt.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Sure ….. Whatever ….. Casinos are Gun Free Zones …. Otherwise known as Free Fire Zones ….

          • KonCern

            Amos, the 2016 RNC Convention was also a “Gun Free Zone” Arena and Surroundings in Ohio and NO one was shot dead. What was the difference with other ” So called Gun Free Zones” , where people are shot dead?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there are none …. there are no safety zones masquerading as “Gun Free Zones” ….. it is an illusion of liberal witchcraft to convince fools that such things keep them safe ….. as is demonstrated by LV ………. FYI …. this has nothing to do with the RNC or the DNC ….. or any politics ….. so not sure what your point of bringing that up is for ……….

          • KonCern

            By point is simple, the RNC BANNED Guns in the Arena and surroundings area. No one was shot dead. That is a FACT.
            The difference was enforcement of Gun free zones so that NO unauthorized guns are allowed. If it was good for the RNC and Trump then why is it not good enough for Las Vagas.?
            Gun Free Zones with out enforcement is NOT a gun free Zone. It’s a Joke.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “RNC BANNED Guns in the Arena and surroundings area. No one was shot dead. That is a FACT.”

            okay …. so what …….. the casinos enforce this ban …. and guess what happened ……..

          • KonCern

            How can it be enforced? were the bags checked? But people were scanned at the RNC arena in July.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is up to the casino ….. but it was a “GUN FREE ZONE” …..

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Feel free to provide links backing this up.

            Or admit you are making stuff up.

          • KonCern

            Making what up?
            The RNC did hekd their 2016 convention in Ohio, an open carry state and they did ban guns in the arena and in the surrounding area.
            Were you living under a rock? This is common knowledge…

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Then pulling up citations should be easy.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            And you have a problem with facts.

          • This style 10/6

            Do you dispute my facts on the Canadian and US homicide rates?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            mostly it is irrelevant …….

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Yes. A reasonable person should.

          • This style 10/6

            They are from national data bases. What figures do you have?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Oh, nice trick there. Canada doesn’t suit your argument? Must be irrelevant then, huh?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it has nothing to do with this country ……… and there are countries that are far worse than the US ….. and there are cities with very high gun ownership and FAR lower gun violence rates than canada ….. canada is no paragon of virtue despite any numbers …..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            when it appears that the guns used in this incident were all ILLEGALLY obtained …. what the gun laws are in any venue …. YES … is IRRELEVANT ………… and criminals do not care what the laws are ANYWHERE ………..

      • This style 10/6

        Your figures are wrong.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          mmmmmm … nope ……..

          • This style 10/6

            Germany is .85/100,000 not .8/1000. The same with all your other figures.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Sure …..

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          yeah …. it should be 100,000 ……. not thousand ……….

    • KonCern

      Only when those who are shot dead as a result of lunatics like this guy are Gun advocates and their families. Or else, I am afraid millions can die and yet the answer will continue to be ” More guns”.
      This fallacy that you see, is a religion to many. So I guess we can only hope that Lunatics with guns will be selective in their target practice.

  • mr goody two shoes

    Let’s turn this tragedy into some thing good. Bible believing church doors are open next Sunday I bet there a place for us all.

    • This style 10/6

      What connection does this have with 58 dead and 515 injured?

      • NCOriolesFan

        The church should be places of refuge in time like this. Jesus said all who have burdens come onto me. The church is HIS.

        • This style 10/6

          Ban automatic weapons and you wouldn’t need such refuge.

          • NCOriolesFan

            The USA has tried that.

          • This style 10/6

            Do you think prayer will fix it?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            guess that would depend on what was prayed for ….. or “PREYED” for …..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            automatic weapons ARE banned in most cases or heavily regulated….. or did you not know that ………… the casinos are “GUN FREE ZONES” ….. or did you not know that ………… no evidence of their use at this point in Vegas …… or did you not know that …………

          • This style 10/6

            I know that I am a lot safer here in Canada than I would be in the US. Your whole gun culture is crazy.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Then you should not burden us with your presence…..

          • KonCern

            …except so many Canadians are living in the US and about 3 Canadians are dead at the hands of this Lunatic. Would you now tell Trump Close the Borders to ALL who thinks this is Madness.?
            You will ONLY make sense if the Lunatics with guns will shoot only Americans who love and worship guns. Then your comment will make sense.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            if he feels safe in canada ….. then s/he should stay where they are “safe” …… but there is no such place ………. evil ….. and that is what this was ….. is everywhere …. even canada ….. so this persons comments about safety in canada is what does not make any sense …..

          • KonCern

            The guy said Canada is NOT violent free. But it is true that Canada do not have this kind of madness, at least not in this frequency and scope.

            btw, there was a Somali refugee in Canada who attacked a Cop with a knife and then went to attack others with a knife. NONE of them are dead, the victims will live to see another day. The guy was arrested and will be charged and sentenced.
            Amos, what if that guy had an AK15 or a semi-automatic gun?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so knives are used instead …. but you think that makes it better ….. and in the cases where the victims of knife attacks do not survive …… what of those ….. yeah …. what if ……… what if they would have STOPPED the guy with the knife because the next guy had brought a gun to this knife fight …. and the guy who “and then went to attack others with a knife” would not have hurt another at all ………

          • KonCern

            Ok, buddy, I guess, we should all have at least 11 guns and pray to be a steady shot … or else, Bang you dead.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … you dont pray for that … you practice ….. and as i said …. you only need one gun and one bullet ….. one shot, one kill …….

          • NCOriolesFan

            Takes a lot of effort to stab people than to shoot them.

          • KonCern

            Maybe so, but people usually live to tell tales…

          • KonCern

            Hey you are making perfect sense. But then this is America not Canada.
            Guns is a religion and more popular than MacDonald.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            They already are banned, doofus.

          • This style 10/6

            Sure, the Las Vegas shooter used a muzzle loader!

          • A law against anything only goes as far as the people’s tolerance for the law goes. Bad guys aka criminals do not care about or follow the law and they will always have guns if they want them.

          • This style 10/6

            Americans tend to ignore what happens outside the US. Look around at countries with strict levels of gun control and at their homicide rates. Start with Japan.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. Detroit …….. VERY STRICT gun control …… 54.6 per 100,000 ….. Chicago ……. VERY STRICT gun control …… 18.5 per 100,000 …. we do not live in Japan ……… or Canada …. has no bearing …….. irrelevant ………

          • This style 10/6

            Since 1970, more Americans have died from guns (including suicides, murders and accidents) than the sum total of all the Americans who died in all the wars in American history, back to the American Revolution. Every day, some 92 Americans die from guns, and American kids are 14 times as likely to die from guns as children in other developed countries, according to David Hemenway of Harvard.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. motor vehicle deaths occur at a higher rate ….. we need to ban motor vehicles then ………. FYI …. the leading cause of death ….. is being born …. SO WHAT …………

          • This style 10/6

            That makes it OK to shoot people?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            that makes cars more dangerous … and your comments out of proportion to the problem …… but you are cementing your position as a leftist totalitarian …. most of the people who want all guns gone have been successful mass murderers …… Stalin, Mao, Hitler …. they all agree ….. so you are in good company ………..

          • This style 10/6

            Hardly out of proportion to 59 dead and over 500 injured, in what, 20 minutes.

            Compare that to the attacks by motor vehicle in London, Marseilles, Edmonton. Ah, I forgot, they will be irrelvant.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            more like 72 minutes ….. but we all gotta go sometime ….. question is …. are you ready for what comes after ……..

          • Or Cambodia.

          • This style 10/6

            The old, tired argument. The fact remains that in developed countries with gun control.the homicide rate is lower.

            When Australia introduced it gun homicides decreased by 50%.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            You know nothing about guns or US gun laws. Take a seat until you do.

          • This style 10/6

            What did the Vegas killer use?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            illegal and illegally obtained or altered weapons ……….. so what …. this antitheist did not care what the “law” was … and he murdered to show his contempt for it ………

          • This style 10/6

            Perhaps not but I can easily see the result.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Then you also see the million times a year guns are used defensively?

          • This style 10/6

            [T]he Violence Policy Center released a fresh analysis of federal crime and health data that explores how often potential victims actually turned the tables. Parsing 2012 numbers, the center counted 259 justifiable gun-related homicides, or incidents in which authorities ruled that killings occurred in self-defense.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and what about all the UNreported uses of just showing a gun to get the aggressor to stand down ….. right ….. nothing as it is UNreported … and it usually goes that way ………..

          • Jerome Horwitz

            “The Violence Policy Center is an American nonprofit organization that advocates for gun control and against gun violence.”

            In other words, what you cite is flat bullsnit. Try again.

          • This style 10/6

            It is pointless to argue with a closed mind. You love guns and shooting, I don’t.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            I believe in the God given right to defend my person, my family and my property by any means necessary.

            And you know what else? Here in the USA there was a ruling in the case Castle Rock v. Gonzales that said police were in fact not legally obligated to protect you. This means that you are your first and last line of defense.

            But you would rather citizens be vulnerable and defenseless.

            Eat a bag of Brown25.

          • This style 10/6

            I don’t know what Brown25 is.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Google is your friend.

          • NCOriolesFan

            Write your congress about it. They’re ‘bribed’ by the NRA to much.

    • NCOriolesFan

      ALL bible believing churches throughout the Vegas metro area should have their doors open – WIDE 24/7 for the time being.

      • This style 10/6

        Is that going to decrease the daily mass shootings?

        • NCOriolesFan

          They provide a temporary refuge from the on-going violence in our country.

          • This style 10/6

            No on-going violence in my country.

          • NCOriolesFan

            What country?

          • This style 10/6

            Canada. I don’t claim we are violence free, just less than the US.

          • NCOriolesFan

            Ok, NOW I know where you’re coming from. Oh yeah Canada is LOT less violent than the US, of course. BTW, I was in Yukon traveling the Dempster HIghway in June to the NWT border. Oh my goodness that was an unbelievable first time adventure I had.

          • This style 10/6

            Happy to hear you had a good time.

          • MCrow

            None here in Japan either

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            horse hockey …..

    • KonCern

      Hey, the NRA and Conservatives are taking guns to Church. Don’t you think the same madness can happen in an Evangelical Conservative Church?

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        it does … and they return fire ….. so fewer are killed ……….. DUH ………..

        • KonCern

          OK, so then you subscribe to the Logic that says, ” the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” ?
          Well, this guy had more than 10 guns, so I guess logically speaking , ”
          the only thing that can stop a bad guy with 10 + guns is a good guy with 11 + guns”? This is Madness…
          But Amos, if we live by the gun, be prepared to die by the gun. No need to mourn and express outrage, just consider it as the price we pay for our love of guns . Right?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and your FLAWED logic is that criminals care what law you pass and will not get a gun ….. ever ….. nope … criminals ….. DO NOT OBEY THE LAW ….. hence they are CRIMINALS ………..

            and NOPE ….. you do not need “11 guns” …… you need the GUN CONTROL of a steady RIGHT HAND and one well placed bullet ….. one shot, one kill ………….

          • KonCern

            “and your FLAWED logic is that criminals care what law you pass and will not get a gun…” That’s not my logic. That is your summation. It Has nothing to do with me.
            “. you need the GUN CONTROL of a steady RIGHT HAND and one well-placed bullet ….. one shot, one kill …” Delusional much eh? The cops had guns and a steady hand yet they were shot. I guess the cops needed 11+ guns, base on the NRA absurd logic, that you agree with.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so all you have is epithet, ad hominem and no real answers ….. Thnx …….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            FYI … GUNS EXISTS ……. and you are not going to put that genie back in the bottle …… EVER ……

          • KonCern

            I guess you are right with this one. Then prepared to die by the gun…

          • Jerome Horwitz

            If you can provide a single, verifiable instance where a firearm, acting on its own accord, committed a violent crime (e.g., armed robbery) then maybe you have a point.

            If you can’t, then shut your piehole.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i am prepared to die for any by any means …. it is Gods will we all die ….. how is not important ……. so i do not care ….. its not how long you are here … its what did you do with the time you had ….. and where are you going when it is finished … do you know where ….

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Well, this guy had more than 10 guns, so I guess logically speaking , ”
            the only thing that can stop a bad guy with 10 + guns is a good guy with 11 + guns”? This is Madness…

            Or in your case, stupidity.

            Las Vegas Police had located the room Paddock was in (due to a smoke detector going off in response to the heat of the guns used) and had burst in only to find he had committed suicide just before the officers arrived.

          • KonCern

            Do you know he shot 3 cops? They were taken to the hospital. Their guns did not prevent them from being shot. It was luck that have them alive.
            You think those cops should have 11 guns since the lunatic had 10…?

          • Jerome Horwitz

            How and why is any of that even relevant?

      • Jerome Horwitz

        What does this have to do with the NRA and conservatives?

      • mr goody two shoes

        Sure it can happen but bullets can’t do any permanent harm to Christians. We have Gods promise on that.

        • KonCern

          Are you suggesting that those 9 souls in the AME church did not suffer ” permanent harm” ? or they weren’t Christians?
          This is absurd, but I understand your love for guns is blinding your sense of reason.

          • NCOriolesFan

            By their belief in Jesus they ascended into Heaven the moment they died. So, in a sense, no permanent damage to their souls.

          • KonCern

            Funny, very funny…

          • NCOriolesFan

            Won’t be so funny, very funny when your judgement day comes. reject Jesus now, pay later or accept Jesus, heaven will be yours later. Your choice.

          • KonCern

            Hey, you are making a lot of assumption…
            But the idea that ” bullets can’t do Permanent Harm ” will come to you if you are a Christian is ridiculous Nonsense.
            It seems you and ‘ mr goody two shoes’ are so spiritual and self righteous that you guys have Missed the reality here on earth.
            So let me ask if Trump shoot you with bullets from his gun ( the same gun that he said he can use to shoot a man in the middle of 5th Avenue) do you think you will still be alive on this earth?

      • NCOriolesFan

        It already has but on a very much smaller scale – thank goodness. There was one last week in Tennessee.

        • KonCern

          Well, be prepared for an increase of this madness. Why? because more people will be owing guns and we have NO way of knowing who is the next lunatic with a gun to go crazy.
          Don’t be surprise if your Pastor show Loaded with a Ak15 and then decide to shoot you guys because some kind ” Spirit ” tells him to…

  • This style 10/6

    Since 1970, more Americans have died from guns (including suicides, murders and accidents) than the sum total of all the Americans who died in all the wars in American history, back to the American Revolution. Every day, some 92 Americans die from guns, and American kids are 14 times as likely to die from guns as children in other developed countries, according to David Hemenway of Harvard.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      so post natal abortion …. and why does that bother you ………….

      • This style 10/6

        You seem to be completely insensitive.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          You are a proabort….. So what is your issue ….

          • Jerome Horwitz

            BOOM! goes the dynamite!

        • Jerome Horwitz

          Not so insensitive to be talking about gun control. Since you don’t even live in the USA, it is obvious you are ignorant of US gun laws.

          With this in mind, I want you to tell me what laws that are not already on the books would have prevented this.

          • This style 10/6

            The laws you have to control guns are obviously not effective.

            At least one mass murder every day.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so it seems we require “Panopticon” ….. in your opinion ……..

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Criminals don’t care about the law.

          • This style 10/6

            No, they don’t but you should look outside the US at the countries which have strict gun control and low homicide rates. Start with Japan.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Japanese society is homogeneous. That’s not a good fit here.

          • This style 10/6

            OK, try your quite similar northern neighbour.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            That’s an outright, baldfaced lie.

          • This style 10/6

            It is a fact. A mass murder is where four or more are killed. You can look this up yourself.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            You are completely full of crap. Just shut your gun-hating mouth up.

    • Since 1973 60 MILLION Americans have died because of being murdered by abortion.

      • This style 10/6

        Thaat excuses gun crime?

      • NCOriolesFan

        BINGO, thank you.

      • Joseph

        Good point Doug. Too bad there is no value in the life of the unborn.

        • Thank you but just to clarify there is value in all life because of the value that God puts on human life.

          • Joseph

            Totally agree Doug. My point was that the secular world sees no value in the unborn. Sorry to seem confusing.

          • I meant no harm.

            Thank you.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      but even more have died from car accidents ….. guess we should start a grassroots movement to ban them also …..

  • NCOriolesFan

    Trump WH spokeswoman Sarah Sanders has echoed the verse so much thought of in this tragedy; John 15:13 for all those people who laid their lives down for others.

  • From what I’m reading on this so far — one single gunman being responsible for this just doesn’t add up…

    • Jerome Horwitz

      Yet that is what happened.

    • mr goody two shoes

      Sounds like the peaceful religion of me my self and I don’t believe in God; so I’m going to make a name for my self in the history books on my way out. He is a believer in God Now if he wasn’t before !

  • KonCern

    It is not ironic that two worst mass murders in America happened under Republican Presidents?
    I guess if we live by the gun we must be prepared to die by the gun.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      is it not ironic that democrats keep giving us “gun control” and “gun bans” …… and it keeps happening ….. oh … sorry …. “FREE FIRE ZONES” ………… criminals do not care about what laws are passed ….. maybe that idea will dawn on some someday ………….. OBVIOUSLY as the casinos are “gun free zones” ….. nope ….. “FREE FIRE ZONES” …………

    • Jerome Horwitz

      Do you have a point?

    • Vince

      That’s right, Trump pulled the trigger. He’s a bad boy.

      Whatever happens, Republicans did it.

      Must be nice having a scapegoat for whatever goes wrong.

      • KonCern

        Say what you want, 60 people are dead by a Lunatic with Guns.

        • Vince

          Trump did it?

          Got an links to support that?

          • KonCern

            I never said Trump did it. But he did say he can shoot a man dead in the middle of 5th Avenue and you guys will still support him and vote for him.
            Suppose this Lunatic was trying to do as Trump said, hoping to get away with it, just like Trump would have?

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          a lunatic who was pretty much an antitheist ……….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I don’t know this guy’s background myself, but you’ve demonstrated in the past you don’t understand what “antitheist” really means….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Reading a little bit about Paddock, all I can find is that he had no known religious affiliation. Do you have some information about him that goes beyond that? Because if you don’t, it’s a pretty big stretch to get “antitheist” out of that.

            Not that it really matters anyway, though; if he were a Christian, you’d just go all “No True Scotsman” anyway, and then try to claim that that’s somehow not a fallacy.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “it’s a pretty big stretch to get “antitheist” out of that.”

            no it is not …. he may not have been “active” like you ….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Uh, yes, it IS a stretch. I’m still not certain you’re using that word correctly, so I’ll go ahead and give you the correct definition. Anti-theism is opposition to theism. In other words,
            the belief that theism and religion are harmful to society and people, and that even if theistic beliefs were true, they would be undesirable. (as you should be able to see, it’s not synonymous with atheism) Now, since you tacitly admitted you don’t know anything about the shooter that I don’t, what is it that would lead you to believe that he held that belief?

            And also, how on earth am I an “active anti-theist”? I have never said that I am opposed to theism in itself. I’m not. I might be opposed to the beliefs of some theists in particular, but that is not even close to the same thing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … you have made clear your opposition ….. you are opposed to it ….. this man had no connection to anything, it seems, other than his own pleasure ….. as do you ….. your, and his, belly is your god ……..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Tell me then, how exactly have I “made clear my opposition”?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            do we really need to cover this ground again ….. your position is that you argue from ignorance ……………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Cover this ground again? No, you haven’t “covered this ground” in the first place, because you haven’t given ONE example of how I am an anti-theist. All you’ve done is assert that I am, with absolutely nothing to back it up.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have explicitly said you are an “agnostic atheist” ….. and you continually argue AGAINST God and any knowledge of God ….. all of your argumentation is from that self stated ignorance ……….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            None of that means I am an anti-theist.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure … whatever gets you through your day …………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I get through my day just fine thank you, regardless of your failure to understand things such as types of belief.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there are only two ….. belief in the truth and the belief in a lie ….. it aint rocket surgery …….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            As usual, you completely miss the point.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            back at ‘cha sport ……..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Look, I’ll run through it again for you, since you still don’t seem to get it.

            Atheism: lack of belief in a god.

            Anti-theism: opposition to theism, or the belief that theism is undesirable or harmful, even if it were true.

            So, in other words, people MAY be both at once, but not necessarily. It’s even possible to be a theist and an anti-theist at the same time, as contradictory as that might sound.

  • MCrow

    Ok, I get the posting of this as a Christian issue.

    Why is having a gun a Christian issue? I’ve never understood why a supposedly peaceful religion is so obsessed with having weapons

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “why a supposedly peaceful religion is so obsessed with having weapons”

      operative word there is “supposed” …… self protection is a right as well as the protection of the innocent, and those unable to defend themselves ……

      • MCrow

        Oh, good, I can stop supposing you’re peaceful, then

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          this has always been a war of ideas ….. never said any other thing ….

          Ephesians
          6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
          6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
          6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
          6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

          Armour is not for peace …….. it is for battle …….

          • MCrow

            Remind me again why Christianity is full of good people and Islam is violent?

          • Because that is the way it is.

          • MCrow

            No offense, but an armed zealot is an armed zealot. I don’t care what god you pray to, since a bullet doesn’t discriminate

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so do you trust the armed a-theist zealot …. it appears you trust the JGSDF ……… but how do you know ………..

          • MCrow

            I said “zealot” without qualification. I don’t trust any zealot with a gun

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but you trust the JGSDF ……..

          • MCrow

            Depends upon your metric for ‘trust.’ Do I trust them to defend Japan? Yes. It’s what they voluntarily train to do. Do I trust them as a monolithic organization without question? No, and I think doing so is foolish. I can apply the same standards to most entities. One prosecutor I knew put it well when he spoke about police officers: he trusts cops. He trusts them to do their job and help him put criminals in prison. He doesn’t trust the police as an organization. He’s been pulled over for driving while black and he knows more than most that police will step over the line to get who they see as a criminal in prison.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Because Jesus exists….

          • MCrow

            Jesus is as real to me as Muhammad. From where I sit, both religions are filled with good and evil people

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Only Jesus can conquer evil.

          • MCrow

            What a lovely excuse for inaction

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            oh …. i see your error …….. there are none ………. what you describe does not exist …. none means NONE ….

            Romans
            3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
            3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
            3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
            3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
            3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
            3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
            3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
            3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
            3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

          • MCrow

            Well, then I see no virtue in Christianity if it cannot make people better

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Christianity makes the world better ….. it does not make us perfect ….. it puts us on the road to perfection …. but sanctification is a life long process that is not finished in this lifetime ……… and the end of this life is only the beginning ………

          • NCOriolesFan

            Ok, 9/11/2001, enough said.

          • MCrow

            Crusades. Enough said

    • BuckeyePhysicist

      Being a Christian does not mean being a doormat and allowing thugs to overrun your household.

      • MCrow

        Oh? And who are these “thugs” that are overrunning your household?

        • NCOriolesFan

          CRIMINALS ! ! ! ! !

          • MCrow

            I don’t see criminals overrunning households.

    • Kaz

      If you don’t like guns, don’t own one.

      The US has the Second Amendment. If you don’t like that, move to some place that bans guns.

      • MCrow

        Well, 1) I have, and 2) I asked why it is a Christian issue, not why Americans have the right to a well maintained militia

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
          Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Either The ‘Surveillance State In America’ FAILED Terribly Or Mandalay Bay Was A Massive ‘New World Order’ Operation – And If The Surveillance State Failed Miserably, It’s Time To Ditch It Nationwide Since It Doesn’t Work

    By Stefan Stanford

  • Check out this private video taken by a taxi driver near the Mandalay Bay. In the very beginning, you can clearly hear automatic shots fired from multiple locations.

    And at around 4:55 (as the taxi driver pans her phone upward toward the hotel), there appears to be shots being fired from a lower floor:

    (paste this video ID)

    watch?v=fEf7HObspB0

    • SoundMind

      Thanks, yes, I’d want to know if there were more shooters involved in this dastardly plan.

      • Hello, sister.

        Yes, indeed. This whole narrative of one lone shooter killing almost 60 folks and injuring over 400 from a single floor window on the 30-something floor of the Mandalay Bay sounded very fishy, from the start.

        • SoundMind

          Although Obamaniac’s admin constantly trafficked in deception, I don’t expect to see it in Trump’s. We’ll know more soon enough, long before the first movie comes out.