Colorado Christian Baker Asked to Make Cake to ‘Celebrate the Birthday of Lucifer’

LAKEWOOD, Co. — A Christian baker who is at the center of a U.S. Supreme Court case surrounding his right to decline to fulfill orders that conflict with his religious beliefs was recently asked to make a birthday cake for Satan.

“I would like to get a quote on a birthday cake for a special event,” an email, sent to Jack Phillips of Masterpiece Cakeshop on Sept. 30, read. “It is a cake that is religious in theme, and since religion is a protected class, I am hoping that you will gladly bake this cake.”

“As you see, the birthday cake in question is to celebrate the birthday of Lucifer—or as they are also known [as] Satan—who was born as Satan when he was cast from Heaven by God,” it stated, as reported by the Daily Signal.

The email requested that the birthday cake be decorated with an “upside down cross, under the head of Lucifer.”

“I thought I would seek you out to bake this cake since you appear to be a very moral person since you refused to bake a cake for same-sex couples,” it said. “And since religion is a protected class, I hope you will be willing to bake this cake, so my small group of religious friends can celebrate the birthday of Lucifer this coming November, just a few days after Halloween.”

As previously reported, the Massachusetts-based organization known as The Satanic Temple urged its followers last month “who feel alienated or oppressed by the privileged status that religion holds over sexual orientation” to contact religious bakers and order a cake to “honor Satan.”

It said that it came up with the idea in light of the Masterpiece Cakeshop case and its fears that the U.S. Supreme Court will rule in favor of the Christian baker.

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“Because religion is a protected class, a baker may refuse service to LGBTQ people, but they may not refuse service based upon someone’s religion. If they aren’t willing to make a cake for same-sex unions, let’s have them make a cake to honor Satan instead,” spokesperson Doug Messner, who goes by the name Lucien Greaves, said in a statement.

While the organization contends that it is a religious group, it also acknowledges that it is “non-theistic” and does not believe in Satan or the supernatural at all, but only views the devil as a metaphor and a “symbol of the eternal rebel.”

Messner further divulged to reporters that The Satanic Temple is particularly upset that Christian bakers have declined to create baked goods for same-sex ceremonies because many members of the devilish group identify as homosexual.

“A lot of our membership is also homosexual as well, and I feel like there’s obvious reasons for that,” he said. “You know, we’re very into that kind of thing. There’s no issue of tolerance with us. And a lot of people who have grown up gay feel very alienated from traditional religion. So we have a very high population of LGBTQ community also as membership of the Satanic Temple.”

However, Phillips says that it is not just same-sex celebrations that he declines. He also doesn’t create custom baked goods for bachelor parties or Halloween events, and remarked in a recent video that sometimes in a day he will turn down more requests than he accepts.

“It’s very easy to get caught up, and people do get caught up, in the idea that the case is just about a Christian cake artist who doesn’t want to create cakes supporting same-sex marriages, but the issue is much broader than that,” Jeremy Tedesco of Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) told the Daily Signal. “If the government has the power to force Jack to create cakes and engage in artistic expression that violates his beliefs, it has that power over all of us.”

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  • bowie1

    I suppose he could simply ignore the email.

    • Eldrida Urika

      Email? what Email. I didn’t get any email… lol

      • Cady555

        I thought christians were not supposed to lie.

        Of course, christians are also supposed to submit to governmental authority.

        • Eldrida Urika

          good point, I take my joke back, and ask for forgiveness!

          • Cady555


            It’s like my reaction when someone tells me their child is getting baptized. Or that they have decided to take up skydiving. Or hundreds of other decisions I wouldn’t make.

            “Rejoice with those who rejoice” doesn’t require agreement or approval, just kindness.

          • Eldrida Urika

            This is very true, Cady555 very true. I’m normally an up person like you, but things seem to be more trial lately, than peace. I know it won’t be long, but it seems to be coming from every which way right now. God’s the only thing I need in my life right now. Blessings!

          • wandakate

            JESUS will be our judge Eldrida and we MUST persevere and be committed and we MUST be overcomers (over all evil) in the world in order to be counted worthy…Bless.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Too bad everyone doesn’t think like we do, Cady. Apparently there have been enough to complain about the things we shrug off, so those things are becoming less enjoyed. I think the problem with this world is that everyone wants everyone else to agree with them and some people just can’t agree with everything. There are too many people to be able to find a happy ‘middle’ road. The only thing that acting like that is best, because it shows others the right way to behave and it can work in a ripple effect. I’m a Christian who wants to shine my light by behaving in a Christ-like manner. Jesus said to love everyone and gave us no exceptions.
            If our heart is not in whatever service you have to do, God will know it, and not condemn you for it. Celebration is something that comes from within, and is felt for a reason, like a marriage. If someone is against SSM and a Christian, I believe in my heart, that if I asked forgiveness for having to serve someone in any situation, he would forgive it each and every time. By not providing the service you are not showing the love Jesus told us we are to have for everyone. He did not give exceptions. So if you want to follow Jesus as a Christian you have to show the fruits of the Spirit no matter who you are dealing with.
            Those being Love, Joy, Peace,
            Longsuffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, Temperance
            These things bring us closer to God and shows our Christianity with our behavior to others and hopefully some of those will come to find Jesus.
            Saying no to a service for a SSM is not a sin because if it was it would go against the second commandment to love everyone. Treat people as we want to be treated.
            Jesus told us to tell people about their sins, not punish them in any way. There is no way to abet a homosexual. NONE.
            Any Christian should think about what Jesus would do in the same circumstances and you know what he would do, right? He would tell them their sin ,and walk away. If he was invited, I bet anything he would celebrate the love. See he’s not celebrating the couple’s marriage, he wants us all to love everyone, sinners included.
            Jesus never once told us to deny anyone anything because of their sins. If anything he showed compassion and temperance towards everyone because everyone is a sinner.
            He would not agree with anything that does not show the love of the person involved. We’re supposed to love our enemies, there is no one that Jesus did not want us to love. We can hate their sin, or their sinful ways, but we should feel compassion for people who are lost, not disdain and disgust.
            If I made wrapping paper and found out that it was used for a gift to two women getting married, does that mean I supported the marriage? No
            So how can anything else show support if it is doing a job? And what about doing your job do you feel that you are unworthy to be forgiven for your part in that wedding? Do Christians not trust God anymore, and accept his Grace? SMH sorry for the rant

          • Cady555

            Thanks. Well said.

            It doesn’t matter that we have different beliefs. It doesn’t matter that we disagree on details. It doesn’t matter that other people make decisions that you or I wouldn’t make.

            It matters that we a kind, and leave people feeling glad that we and they crossed paths.

            All the best. Cheers.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Well Said!!! Thank you it’s nice to know someone feels like that. I just add one thing to my own personal life, and that is God, but I don’t demand others believe, it has to be of their free will. Kindness and love is what should bring people to Christ as it is the way he wants us to behave. Basically with enough love, the sins you commit will be very inconsequential. Love = Light and Sin/Evil = Darkness. Light can always over power darkness. But there must be enough love to take away the darkness.
            Being good people is being a light even if you are not bringing them to Jesus yourself, It’s just good behaviour, and should not be anything special, but rather the norm. It’s sad that it isn’t. It was a lot closer when I was a child. Keep on shining your light and show people what good behaviour means. Thank you! Blessings!

          • wandakate

            GOOD behavior can be referred to as “common courtesy”…In GOD’s eyes we are to be worthy and obedient and truthful.
            Being “good” will NOT get us into the coming Kingdom of GOD b/c the ONLY way to do that is to have a relationship with JESUS and strive to please Him at all worldly cost…
            JESUS told us Himself…”IF you love me, keep my commandments.”
            Being nice, kind, loving and good are ALL commendable, but doing what is right is better. Pleasing GOD with our time, money and personality is wonderful.
            People need MORE than just “being good” in order to be in the Kingdom (Heaven), they will need to know and believe in and trust JESUS…
            Remember being in GOD is not impressive, it’s believing on the ONLY name that has the power to save us and that name is JESUS CHRIST (YESHUA) was His real name.
            The “demons” believe in GOD, and so does satan and they ALL tremble.

          • Eldrida Urika

            I have split the reply so they are not as long, but what I have said I say to teach others as well as reply to you.

            Being nice, kind, loving and good are ALL commendable, but doing what is right is better.

            You don’t think being nice to others is part of being Christ-like? You don’t see our behaviour as more than commendable when it has to do with what we were told is our duty to our Lord and Savior? To spread the gospel and bring people to him?

            I never said that Salvation was totally dependent on being good people ever. What I said a lot of people don’t realize that our behaviour is part of Jesus’ plan to bring more people to salvation.
            He told us in the scripture how to behave, with examples as well. If Jesus told us to do something, then we need to do it. He doesn’t speak to hear the sound of his own voice – or didn’t. Everything he said in the gospel is for us but many people do not believe it is necessary. I’m sorry IMHO it is necessary. Every single thing he spoke of had a reason for him to say/do/teach. He did not use his time on earth other than for teaching before his crucifixion. He told us that he wanted us to be beacons of light to bring others to Jesus and Salvation by repentance. Our behavior is paramount to create that beam of light for others to see. That is how we become a light is by helping other and being a good person to everyone we are able to. If we are able to help someone and turn away from it, we will be crying Lord Lord!! and not be let in.
            It goes beyond just common courtesy; we are supposed to stand out to the world and not be of it; we have to be in it in order to bring others to Jesus. We can’t be telling people about sin without the salvation or it will seem like we are just condemning them. Without the love of Jesus and all the benefits that come from believing especially how wonderful it will be for eternity.
            Both of Jesus’ “new” commandments – new because his Father had given him all authority so they were his own new commandments. Both of them were about love and he constantly told us to love everyone. That says a lot about our Lord Jesus Christ, don’t you think?
            I don’t believe my Jesus was ever violent without it being about the church nor did he ever embarrass anyone who was not a believer already. Find the scriptures. prove me wrong. My cousin used to say this here and no one ever came back to say what they found when they searched.
            Jesus wants us to love each other as he has loved us. It is obvious to me that Jesus loves us all very much.
            on to reply 2

          • Eldrida Urika

            Reply 2
            He gave us the grace to forgive our sins when we repent, but it isn’t the only thing to do for salvation by any means.
            I also believe that God directs us to our destiny and I am moving forward with Jesus.

            I believe some people are harsher to sinners because the people they reach are the ones that need that approach. Not all need that approach, and some are turned off by that approach, which isn’t what Jesus wants at all. .

            I believe that HOW another person’s sin is pointed out to them is crucial to whether they learn to desire salvation. With anyone who is new to a church, we don’t ask about their sins, we do not rebuke them unless we see them acting against the Word of God.

            Why do people think anyone they talk about the sin first to, that they will want to listen to more when people condemn them for a sin already?

            Telling others about our beliefs and helping people to come to Jesus and be saved is what we must do, but there is not one way of doing it. To bring others to Jesus, each of us have their own way that they believe is how to do it, no matter how others feel about their approach.

            Except when it affects all Christians and gives us ALL have a bad reputation that is nothing like what Jesus wanted us to have. I’m against that and it is what has happened and why some people hate Christians thinking that we are all the same. I want to stand up and say I am not like them and a lot of other Christians are not either. The Media pushes those ones to the forefront and our good and righteousness along with our reputations are ignored as not newsworthy enough.

            I believe that my approach is just the way My God Jesus wants me to behave and
            be like. He’s been with me all my life and I know he’s still molding me to be
            who I am in Christ.

            I have never been the type of person to embarrass anyone for anything. I
            believe in speaking to the person in private when discussing something that was
            done wrong.

            We are all sinners and you know what? Jesus didn’t tell us to rebuke non-believers. Look at the scriptures. He told us to rebuke our brothers and sisters when we leave the path and start to sin again. He told us to help our brethren stop before it is too late and they leave the Faith.

            He told us to tell non-believers about Salvation by repentance, but he did not say we should embarrass anyone or anything like that. He never showed an example of it the whole time he was on earth. Except when the sinner was a believer and was going against the Word of God about his CHURCH.

            Jesus was teaching us to not judge another person’s sin with the story of the Adulteress. He continued to teach us when he told her he did not condemn her.

            A relationship with Jesus is a personal and is individually our own. Without his direction, his guidance, we can’t do anything. I never saw Jesus act that way towards anyone but the scribes and the Pharisee and at the church of money lenders, all of which was to fulfill prophecies about his church and the way we as followers behave towards anyone the way that he told us they behaved. The hypocrisy was a big lesson to him, or it would not have been part of a prophecy, but it was against the Church of our Lord that created the anger he showed in that scripture. He was telling us he will not ignore it when the faithful do things against His Church, when it comes to Judgment Day.

            I was not yelled at and not told I was going to hell for my sins. I was told I was loved by Jesus and that he asks us not to sin so we can be better people who he wants to fill heaven with. Who are also blessed because they believe. That belief in who God is, is what will bring us to salvation. Believing in Jesus’ instructions for us. Belief that the Lord can provide for us, protect us to give us peace, He gives us blessings for joy, and give us the hope that we will finish that race with our belief still strong in Jesus. And be greeted with “Well done” when the race is over.

            He wants people who don’t want to sin, and recognize it when they do and repent
            for the sins. Not people who sort of follow him and most of the time they are
            good to others and try to remember to pray and to repent too.

            He wants the spirits that don’t want to hurt others so no one will cry when they are there. He wants us to be as close to Holy and Pure as we can be – it is in the scriptures – but he also knows that it isn’t easy for someone of flesh. Our flesh wants to do what it wants to do, and it is not necessarily what we know is right . He wants us to try just keep trying. To push to the end of that race we are running. We have to keep looking at ourselves and seeing if there are any ways that are sinning. We can’t always recognize it without that deliberate look. But we have to repent for it so we have to find the sins to repent.

            You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Even cider vinegar)

            The love we show to others is also important. Jesus told us that love covers a multitude of sin and that love is the light. Sin is darkness. Light takes the darkness away.
            That’s what Jesus told us.

          • wandakate

            Actually the Bible tells us to DENOUNCE all evil doing regardless of what they are. We’re to be IN the world, but not OF the world. We are commanded to please “only” GOD, and not any false gods or mortal man.
            IF we don’t tell people who don’t know about salvation and how to get into the coming Kingdom of GOD, who’s going to?

          • wandakate

            JESUS never went along with anything wrong. He went into the temple and He knocked down the tables with all of the wares on them and open up the chicken coops and let the chickens and animals that were being sold go free thus they started running in the streets. JESUS told us to “GO, and sin no more”. We are to judge righteously and avoid ANY and ALL evil that we encounter.
            We are to be IN the world, but NOT of the world.
            We are to please GOD above man regardless of the circumstances…
            Our actions are louder than our words, and even though we are SAVED by GRACE, we will be JUDGED by our WORKS, according to JESUS.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Exactly HOW am I sinning by what I said?
            First of all I never said Jesus would do anything wrong and I certainly do not believe what I say is wrong according to Jesus or I would not say it.
            There is nothing I said that isn’t in the scriptures. Not a thing. Go ahead and show me where I am wrong in how Jesus wanted us to treat other people, sinners or not.
            Not being of this world is why we should stand out as good people. it is necessary to talk to people that are not believers who are in the world.
            You should read my other replies to understand what I believe with regards to what Jesus wants us to do, and why. Then you should search the scriptures and see that I am right. Or try to prove I am wrong.

            We please God by being good people who attract attention because of our behaviour so we can bring more to Jesus.
            We will be judged for how we behave towards others too.
            Especially how we judged others. Jesus showed us very plainly that we should not judge anyone because we are sinners too, as he showed us with the Jews that wanted him to judge the adulteress. He showed them that they could not judge her unless they have not sinned themselves. He told her that he would not condemn her and to sin no more.
            He never convicted anyone of sin just taught about it.

            Everything I say is in the gospel. all of what I say is in context with the scriptures around it. All you have to do is search the scriptures to find where I am wrong in what I am saying.

          • wandakate

            I just read over what I had written and there is nowhere that I said YOU were wrong. I was making an “in general” statement, directed to whoever is following all of these comments. You make some very good points and I do agree with much that you say. I guess each of us can only handle things as best as we can, or know how.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Thank you that is nice of you to say. I’m sorry I thought that is what you meant by the reply about Jesus not doing anything wrong.

            I believe that the Holy Spirit guides me with what I say here. Sometimes I am amazed by the knowledge I didn’t realized I had.

            God is an Awesome God! and I bless His Holy Name!!

          • wandakate

            What’s wrong with a Baptism, or a Christian wedding (man and woman) was GOD’s design for humans?
            What is wrong with an Easter cake?

        • bowie1

          I would see it more like a crank call that can be ignored. Or it can be refused as been offensive or obscene.

        • L2Talk2

          You forgot the second half of the sentence….unless it violates the Word of God. “We must obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29b)

          • Cady555

            Acts 5 is about preaching about Jesus.
            It has nothing to do with obeying laws against discrimination.

            Romans 13, however, says:
            1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. …
            4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. … 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

            The government authority, which your own book says was appointed by god, says that people operating businesses cannot discriminate based on certain factors. Romans also says to respect people the government says you should respect.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you are for going back under the government of England and shutting the doors on the US government as it was in rebellion to that constituted authority ….. and US law is null and void on that face …………

          • bwgirl

            They demanded that they stop preaching Jesus. That in itself IS discrimination.

            Acts 5:27-29 AMPC
            (27) So they brought them and set them before the council (Sanhedrin). And the high priest examined them by questioning,
            (28) Saying, We definitely commanded and strictly charged you not to teach in or about this Name; yet here you have flooded Jerusalem with your doctrine and you intend to bring this Man’s blood upon us.
            (29) Then Peter and the apostles replied, We must obey God rather than men.

            Dr. John Gill, D.D., (1697-1771)
            Published in 1746-1766, 1816; public domain.

            Acts 5:29
            Then Peter, and the other apostles, answered and said,…. Peter began, as the mouth of the apostles, being the eldest man, and very bold and zealous; and the rest followed, or joined, with him in what he said:

            we ought to obey God rather than men; this is said in answer to the charge of disobedience to the orders and commands of the council: men, civil magistrates, and ecclesiastical rulers, are to be obeyed in things which are not repugnant to the will of God; but in things that are, God is to be obeyed, and not men. God had commanded by an angel, that the apostles should go to the temple, and there preach the doctrines of the Gospel; the sanhedrim had forbid them to speak and teach in the name of Christ; who were now to be obeyed? God, and not men: from whence it appears that the apostles were to be justified in disregarding the council, and neglecting its orders; and which is no ways contrary to that obedience and submission, that is to be yielded to those that are in authority, in things civil and lawful.

            Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
            Published in 1847-85; public domain.
            Acts 5:29
            We ought to obey … – See the notes on Act_4:19.

            Acts 4:19
            Whether it be right … – The apostles abated nothing of their boldness when threatened. They openly appealed to their judges whether their command could be right. And in doing this, they expressed their full conviction of the truth of what they had said, and their deliberate purpose not to regard their command, but still to proclaim to the people the truth that Jesus was the Messiah.
            In the sight of God – That is, whether God will judge this to be right. The grand question was how God would regard it. If he disapproved it, it was wrong. It was not merely a question pertaining to their reputation, safety, or life; it was a question of conscience before God. We have here a striking instance of the principle on which Christians act. It is, to lay their safety, reputation, and life out of view, and bring everything to the test whether it will please God. If it will, it is right; if it will not, it is wrong.
            To hearken – To “hear” and to “hearken” are often used to denote to “obey,” Joh_5:24; Joh_8:47, etc.
            Judge ye – This was an appeal to them directly as judges and as men. And it may be presumed that it was an appeal which they could not resist. The Sanhedrin acknowledged itself to have been appointed by God, and to have no authority which was not derived from his appointment. Of course, God could modify, supersede, or repeal their authority; and the abstract principle that it was better to obey God than man they could not call in question. The only inquiry was whether they had evidence that God had issued any command in the case. Of that the apostles were satisfied, and that the rulers could not deny. It may be remarked that this is one of the first and most bold appeals on record in favor of the right of private judgment and the liberty of conscience. That liberty was supposed in all the Jewish religion. It was admitted that the authority of God in all matters was superior to that of man. And the same spirit manifested itself thus early in the Christian church against all dominion over the conscience, and in favor of the right to follow the dictates of the conscience and the will of God. As a mere historical fact, therefore, it is interesting to contemplate this, and still more interesting in its important bearings on human liberty and human happiness. The doctrine is still more explicitly stated in Act_5:29, “We ought to obey God rather than man.”

          • bwgirl

            And one other thing. A Christian, whether he is employed by someone else, owns his or her own business or is even in the military, has the RIGHT to obey God rather than man! Now, I know that reprobate minds and thinking today would like to do away with that altogether, but you can’t!

            Our own Military recognizes that fact!

            “A conscientious objector is an “individual who has claimed the right to refuse to perform military service” on the grounds of freedom of thought, conscience, or religion. In some countries, conscientious objectors are assigned to an alternative civilian service as a substitute for conscription or military service.”

        • Lydia Church

          Not if that contradicts the Law of God. We can’t submit to any laws that contradict God’s laws and morality, etc. God is above man, and we must obey God above man. So no matter what, we obey God. If that means civil disobedience, then it is God-approved! Acts 5; 29, Daniel 3, and Exodus 1. Furthermore, if anyone assumed Romans 13 applied unconditionally, then that would justify Christians participating in the holocaust and any other bloody evil and sins. The Early Christians defied the Caesars who demanded to be worshiped, because a true Christian CANNOT worship anyone but the Lord, and of course they were fed to the lions and that is what Jesus said we could expect! People, please read your Bibles!!! Early church history would help too, like Foxe’s book of martyrs, by John Foxe, into the 21st century edition.

          • Cady555

            Where is the verse that forbids making cakes for gay weddings?

          • Tangent002

            Paul’s Epistle to the Epicureans?

          • Cady555

            It’s okay, as long as the cake is fab-u-lous.

          • wandakate

            I think somewhere you missed the point.

          • wandakate

            And may I please add to find a book about the life and times of the Roman Emperor Constantine to learn about ALL of our worldly holidays as well as Sunday worship. You would be surprised at the things that he did and invented to join the Christians of that day and time to the Holy Roman Catholic Church and brought in the Pagan traditions and the Heathen customs as well into the church for the name of combining and membership numbers…Very insightful reading.

        • wandakate

          They were LONGGGGGG ago when the government wasn’t corrupt, but NOT today, b/c if we did that we might ALL go to hell.

      • wandakate

        What a dumb comment. They’re NOT talking about you!!!

  • Tangent002

    Silly stunt. Phillips can legally refuse to make the cake based on the requested design being personally offensive to him. Anti-discrimination laws protect people not explicit messages.

  • Eldrida Urika

    There’s no issue of tolerance with us.

    No issue of tolerance EXCEPT Christianity, obviously.
    No tolerance for personal opinion except their own?
    I can’t see the point in asking someone you know won’t want to, to bake a cake. Is that tolerant of other people feelings?
    These silly little things they do only show how childish they are. I’m sure they could come up with something more mature.
    This group comes off as a group of teenagers who are throwing temper tantrums because they want what the Christians have. Good luck with that. Satan doesn’t have the powers that God does.

    • wandakate

      They are loss and in need of a Savior. They are basically apparently miserable and misery loves company, so they pick on and aggravate the Christians and perhaps that makes them feel better.
      They care about how they feel and that’s all to them that matters obviously.
      They may (deep inside) want what Christians have but don’t know how to obtain salvation. They are discontent but want to be fulfilled and are searching in all of the worldly ways they know how.
      NO, satan has never been nor will ever be as powerful as JESUS is and it’s JESUS that has the authority by the FATHER GOD to judge ALL of us for our sins.
      Those who cling to JESUS regardless will be in the coming Kingdom of GOD, and those who never did will spend their eternity in the pits of hell b/c they did NOT believe on the ONLY name that could save them from their sins and they are NOT capable of saving themselves.

  • hamfish

    Just make the cake! Hail Satan!

    • J.B.

      Get real!

    • wandakate

      The man does “NOT” have to make the cake. They need to find another baker that will do so and won’t be bothered by doing it for them but NOT this particular baker…He’s NOT going to bend.

  • Lydia Church

    Just say NO! No matter what. You can’t serve two masters. If you refuse to do it, no matter the law, you serve God. If you cave and bake it, you serve the devil. Of course it is always easier and even rewarding to serve the devil in this world controlled by satan. But that is the fork in the road that lays ahead for Christians now, the time of testing, the hour of temptation is here! Choose this day whom YOU will serve! Joshua 24; 15, Acts 5; 29, Daniel 3, Exodus 1. We must obey God even unto defying the caesar! True Christians will!

    • wandakate

      Like taking the WIDE or the NARROW road. It’s either one or the other right? One will lead us to HEAVEN and the other will lead us into the pits of HELL, and it’s certainly our own choice which way we choose to go.
      BUT, as it says…As for me and my house, we will “serve” the LORD.

  • dunstvangeet

    Bad example, that doesn’t even mimic the gay wedding cake.

    Jack Phillips can easily deny the Satanic cake based upon the way it is decorated, as long as he wouldn’t make a cake decorated that way for anybody.

    This is in contrast with the gay wedding cake, where no matter how the cake was decorated, Jack Phillips would deny them the cake. In fact, with the gay wedding cake, there was no discussion on how it was decorated. It was just a simple, “I don’t do gay weddings.”

    • wandakate

      As long as we have freedom of religion and freedom of ownership then it’s his RIGHT to bake or not bake what he feels is right. I have been in various establishments where there is a sign posted and it reads, We can refuse service to anyone, or something to that nature…not the exact quote but close.
      IF there is a reason that they do NOT want to serve a particular customer they don’t have to. It’s their business, it doesn’t belong to the government and they pay taxes on that business. They however MUST serve people with disabilities that bring in a companion animal, b/c the law of our land tells them that they can’t discriminate again a disabled person or one in need of an assistance animal…
      Furthermore as a Christian he knows that he is suppose to be IN the world but NOT of the world, and he’s trying to be just that. He’s NOT going along with what the world wants or is doing (in these evil last days), He’s pleasing His own conscious and the LORD and that is to him what is called doing the right thing.
      I am sure that not only would his father be proud of him but so would the LORD, and when his time comes he will receive his crowns and rewards in heaven (the Kingdom of GOD) for his worldly deeds and actions. His actions are louder than his words…
      Revelation 22. And behold I am coming quickly, and My REWARD is with me to give to each according to his work shall be…It’s our OBEDIENCE to GOD that will matter in the end, and NOT how much we pleased mankind.

      • getstryker

        Agreed and well said – thank you!

      • dunstvangeet

        1. He has the right to bake or not to bake what he feels is right. However, he does not have the right to refuse to sell what he bakes to gay people. He has the right to refuse to decorate a cake a certain way. However, if he does make wedding cakes, then he doesn’t have the right to refuse to make those wedding cakes for gay people, under State law.

        2. Those signs “we reserve the right to refuse service to anybody” does not actually have the force of law. For instance, you’ve already identified that he does not have the right to refuse service to someone with a service animal, or in a wheel chair, or any other disability (Americans with Disabilities Act). He also does not have the right to refuse service on the basis of Race, Religion, Color or National Origin (Civil Rights Act of 1964). He also does not have the right to refuse service on the basis of Creed, Sex, Sexual Orientation, or Ancestry (Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act).

        So, you’ve just argued completely against yourself. First, you state that he has the right to refuse service to anybody, then you acknowledge that the law of the government actually modifies that right to refuse service. Well, the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act (CRS 24-34-601(1)) specifically mentions sexual orientation in the list of things that you’re not allowed to discriminate gainst. So, congratulations, you’ve just proven that Phillips does not have the right to discriminate against someone on the basis of Sexual Orientation.

        3. So, my question is why wouldn’t he be able to discriminate against someone with disabilities under your philosophy? I can have a religion that puts out there that disabilities are God’s punishment for an immoral life. As a result, I have a religious objection to serving someone with disabilities, as I don’t believe it is within my religion to serve anybody who has an immoral life. So, if he can have a religious exemption to serving someone who’s gay, then why can’t I have a religious exemption to the exact same law to serving someone with disabilities?

        • wandakate

          After having time to give this one thing more thought…If they wanted him to bake a wedding cake or a satanic cake or something that bothered him and something he felt strongly about then he shouldn’t do it. However, he should serve his customers that are having cake and coffee inside his store. I don’t own a business and haven’t been faced with it, so I really don’t know for sure, I would think it depends on his feelings and what the law actually allows.

          • dunstvangeet

            They wanted him to bake a wedding cake, something that he does every day. There is absolutely no evidence that the cake that they wanted was outside of the norms of what he would have baked a straight couple. His only problem with the cake was that he was selling that cake to a gay couple for use in a gay wedding.

            And the law doesn’t allow this. The law requires him to not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. That means that if he was to make straight people wedding cakes, then he must make gay people wedding cakes as well. Just as he would have to do a black couple, a Muslim couple, or an Indian couple. The law (CRS 24-34-601(2)) forbids discrimination based upon “disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, or ancestry”. So, you can see that the law clearly forbid him doing it.

            As far as the Satanic cake, that’s more of a case where he is free to refuse to make it, but that is because of the way it is decorated. It’s not discrimination if he wouldn’t make that cake for anybody. The problem comes with the wedding cakes. He makes wedding cakes for straight couples. However, he refuses to make wedding cakes (even though they could be the exact same cakes) for gay couples. That’s clearly forbidden by the law, which requires: “the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations”.

  • sammy13

    I wonder if this ‘customer’ can pinpoint the actual “birth date” and then provide the evidence/proof/source document! Maybe a Bible?

    • dunstvangeet

      I doubt many Christians could actually pinpoint the actual “birth date” and then provide evidence/proof/source document! Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was actually born on December 25th. A easier explanation is that coupling Christmas with the Winter Solstice was a way to hide their celebrations with the Roman Winter Solstice celebration.

      • wandakate

        You said “many Christians” could not pinpoint the birth date and I am assuming you mean of JESUS. I don’t care one iota when satan was created (he wasn’t born, he was created an angel and now he is only a spiritual being). Satan was NEVER in the flesh (like you and I are). Satan is in charge of hell (his abode) and “hates” GOD/JESUS. He is the god of this world and he came to kill, steal and destroy humanity.
        As for JESUS CHRIST (YESHUA) is His real name, He was born on September 1, 2 B.C. We have to go to the old testament and follow the timeline of Elizabeth’s pregnancy to know when JESUS came alone. In doing so however, we must realize that the calendar was different then and the new year started in April and NOT in January.
        That has involved some time but it can be discovered, and NO it was NOT on Dec. 25th, that was Tammuz birthday and his mother was a Pagan goddess. It was NEVER in honor of JESUS so JESUS is NOT the reason for the season.
        We MUST also take into consideration that it was too cold in Dec. for the shepherds to be out in the fields keeping watch over their flocks by night. The biblical story is right, but the timing is ALL wrong as we’ve mixed the birth with the fake Pagan date of Dec. 25th.
        Also remember that Christmas is about commercialism and $$$$$.
        It starts in Oct. and continues until the end of the first week of Jan. when everything that can be sold is sold at a marked down price.
        It’s also a very traditional holiday and has been celebrated for years and isn’t likely to see an end anytime soon b/c people do NOT know the TRUTH, and even with some it wouldn’t matter to them anyway…They aren’t following what GOD wants, but what they want and what makes them feel good.
        It’s very worldly so non-Christians are always going to focus on this fake holiday b/c of Santa and the mound of presents and the decorated tree (also Pagan) and all the other hoopla that goes along with it, but it’s NOT a Christian holiday even thought it is portrayed as one, it’s all wrong. People are deceived.
        The Emperor Constantine incorporated the Pagan people with the Christians of that day and age to form the HRCC, and created what he called Christmas which comes from the HRCC and stands for CHRIST-MASS.
        Just a little history here since your comment has gotten me going. It’s sad that SO many people are SO deceived. CHRIST and satan have NO commonality whatsoever and Christmas has NOTHING to do with JESUS birth.

        • dunstvangeet

          Funny, You state that he was born on September 1, 1 BC. That’s may not be when he was born. First off, many people celebrate his birthday on December 25th. Early Christians actually put the birth of Christ on many dates, ranging from November 20, through May 22nd. (May 20, April 18 or 19th, March 25th, November 17, and November 20 were all suggested as dates for Christmas for early Christians). And most historians actually put the birth of Jesus between 6 and 4 BC, not 2 BC as you put it.

          So, even you couldn’t really nail down the exact birthdate of Christ.

          • wandakate

            Where is the actual death date of Herod published? As I wrote in the comment it was based on Elizabeth’s pregnancy and when she delivered her child. As far as we know it was Sept 1, of 2 B.C. I understand who Herod was and what he did with having all the male children killed under the age of 2. He was scared JESUS would take over.

          • dunstvangeet

            The Roman Historian Josephus, actually, places it that, with the sons reigns starting in 4 BC. So, if Jesus was born in 2 BC, that must mean that the Bible was false on the fact that Herod was the king during the birth, because Herod would have been dead during that time. So, that would put Jesus’s birth, if the Bible is correct, to be somewhere around 6 BC to 4 BC. Yet, again, you seem to not be able to pin down when Jesus was born either. If it was in 2 BC as you claim, then it was 2 years after Herod died, which means that the Bible was wrong on that account.

            Furthermore, the only evidence of the actual massacre of the Innocents seems to be Matthew’s account. Even Luke didn’t mention that. Most historians leave the massacre of the Innocents to be an open question (since it seems like it would be more likely to portray Jesus as a new Moses.)

  • mr goody two shoes

    A christian should not follow any laws that violate his conscience or Gods word. Its never safe or right to go against these two things. Christians have laid there life down for these two things. There that important.

    • wandakate

      YES, they’re that important. You got that right. We are to please and be obedient to GOD and we have NO obligation to please man (human souls) whatsoever. JESUS will be our judge in the end, not any mortal man.
      These atheist and the LGBTQ people and all the others (satan worshippers) etc. are trying hard to push satan’s agenda of evil on us and it will NEVER ever work. Those of us who are committed to GOD will remain committed till the end of time, b/c we are told to persevere and overcome ALL manner of evil and there are many of us who will “die” doing just that…

  • Brenda

    They admitted they didn’t believe in satan so they are just being contrary.